11:53pm: In a contrasting report, USA Today’s Bob Nightengale reports (Twitter link) that the White Sox haven’t increased their original seven-year offer to Machado.
11:25pm: The eight-year offer is worth $250MM, as per Z101Digital’s Hector Gomez (hat tip to MLB.com’s Scott Merkin).
9:58pm: The White Sox have offered an eight-year contract to free agent infielder Manny Machado, ESPN.com’s Jeff Passan reports. We heard last week that Chicago had formally put an offer on the table for Machado, as per USA Today’s Bob Nightengale, though it isn’t known if this eight-year pact is that same deal, or if the Sox have upped their offer. That previous deal was “likely closer to $200 million than $300 million” in Nightengale’s words.
The eight-year threshold seemingly represents a new step in the ongoing talks between Machado and the White Sox, as 670 The Score’s Bruce Levine had previously reported that the Sox were only willing to hand out seven-year deals to either Machado or Bryce Harper. The White Sox now seem to be a bit closer to Machado’s desire for at least a decade-long contract, though if he is “sitting on” Chicago’s offer, as Passan writes, it indicates that Machado is still holding out to see if another team can top the White Sox with a longer and more expensive offer.
There seem to be at least three suitors in play for Machado at this time, as Passan notes that the White Sox and Phillies (who are “still engaged” with Machado) have been told that a mystery team is also interested. The Yankees have been linked to Machado this winter, though they might not be the third suitor, as recent reports seem to indicate a waning interest in Machado’s services.
If the Yankees are indeed out, and the Phillies have now become the favorites to land Bryce Harper, Machado could find himself down to just two suitors. It’s anyone’s guess, of course, about who the mystery team could be or what they might be willing to offer (or if the team exists at all, and isn’t just a negotiating tactic by Machado’s camp). While Passan suggests that Chicago’s willingness to go to eight years could indicate some flexibility to add a ninth or even a tenth year to an offer, the White Sox might not feel such pressure if they perceive that they already have the highest bid. The White Sox have already sailed well above their financial comfort zone in bidding on Machado — an eight-year deal in the $200MM+ range dwarfs the previous largest deal in franchise history, Jose Abreu’s six-year/$68MM pact.
wonder who the mystery team could be
The Borastown Fleecers
lol
Your right on there, Boras clients always have a mystery team in on the fun, bid against yourselves guys
machado isn’t a boras client
It was always Tigers to serve mystery bidder role. Buy late on Prince Fielder, not expect. Stay late, Detroit try to resign Scherzer, lead to Nat price drive up. Not much reported, not expect. Owner Illitch dies and Boras lost a best customer, his mystery bidder.
^He’s right you know….
Hahah so true
Once Scherzer turned down Mr Illitch’s extension offer, Detroit never made another offer. They were never a bidder in his Free Agency.
Take away the designation, ‘mystery team’, which may or may not be an attempted manipulation by a creative agent. One strategy of bidding at auction is keeping your mouth shut until the sale of a given item seems imminent. It’s not quite an auction when the ‘item’ being bid on has some choice as to where they’ll sign, but it’s still a bidding war of sorts. So until the gavel comes down, it’s anybody’s guess.
Machado isn’t a Boras client, okay genius?
Get a life
Great comment. Ignore the haters.
You’re calling me a genius… how can I be mad at you? Thank you!
I identify as a cat and have NINE lives, thank you very much!
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How about the Cardinals? They’ve made offers in excess of $200 million at least twice, though neither player signed with the team. Eight years for Machado at, say, $25-30 million per year is within their means.
More like 8 years, $30-$35MM/year. The White Sox have already offered $31.25MM/year, the next bidder will need to top that.
Unless it’s the Yankees. Machado would probably go their regardless. As long as the deal was around $30MM/year.
No one knows what the WSOX have truly offered. We also don’t know if 5-10 million over the course of the entire contract is enough to sway Manny to go play for the CWS. They’re still very much rebuilding and that might not be of particular interest for him. It’s anyomes guess but if the Yankees are out it looks a lot more likely he’ll be wearing a CWS hat.
Well of course we don’t know for sure what the offer was. I am obviously going by the reported offer.
From all that I’ve read, it doesn’t seem like the Yankees are even all that interested. With the signing of LeMehuea, New York will have somewhat of logjam in the INF if everyone is playing well when Gregorius comes back (which isn’t a bad thing).
Plus given the fact that they also signed Tulo (who knows how long he’ll last) and are paying LeMehuea $12-million per year, the need for Machado isn’t as dire.
But since they’re gonna go over the luxury tax anyways (I believe I read that), then why no go all the way?
That’s why it’s called a “Rumors” site. Could be an offer of 4/45.
Who are the two players the Cardinals have offered 200 million plus to?
Pujols is one. The other, I assume he probably thinks Heyward, who was supposedly offered 200M by another team before accepting the Cubs’ offer. But that one was never confirmed and was never said to be the Cards, just a “mystery team”. They also came close with David Price; the offer was said to be somewhere around $190-195M.
He could mean last off season when they tried to acquire Stanton and his full contract before the Yankees did.
If the alleged offer is accurate, why wouldn’t the White Sox have put a 24 hour window on it so they couldn’t be used as negotiation leverage involving other teams since they are otherwise his last choice?
Because Machado wouldn’t have cared?
An artificial deadline that everyone knows is artificial is pointless.
Why make it artificial? They’re being used. An offer can always later be reinstated if they so desire. They know they’re not his first choice so either offer more money or put a time limit on the offer to try to get him to react. Washington had their offer off the table and then reentered discussions with Harper when he remained unsigned.
They know if they want him, the timeline is B.S.
He isn’t some 36-year-old on his last legs attempting to avoid a minor league contract. White Sox have no leverage. And they would be stupid to pull a deal to only see him go elsewhere for slightly less (which Machado may gladly do to play on current contender).
The Expos
The O’s!
Wowwwwww
Say no to it Machado come to philly
Say no to YOUR FACE!
Boom roasted
I totally got’em, didn’t I?…
You sure did
Mic drop
ho hum
would love to see the white sox get machado. the AL Central desperately needs teams that are trying to win
8 years for $280MM? That’s a solid offer.
I’m guessing 8/224M
I think it has to be $240 + to get over that $30 mark
8 years and $250M is what @hgomez27 is reporting on Twitter. That’s $31.25M per year. If this is true, Machado would be nuts to turn it down.
” If this is true, Machado would be nuts to turn it down.” unless it’s not the highest offer and I doubt it is.
it’s not going to be the highest offer…Phils are still in it and I still think deep down that they prefer MM to BH, despite all that positive energy coming out of the Phils’ Vegas meeting with Harper
Raltongo, I agree. I think the “momentum” of Harper to the Phils is smoke and mirrors to push Manny into accepting their offer before Harper does.
raltongo………….
Agreed…MM is still their main target. Manny’s camp has said the same as Harper’s. Beat Stanton’s total and beat the highest AAV. I have posted this before have tweaked the bonus etc. This would be doable and accomplish both while not having to go 10-12 years guaranteed……….
$24M signing bonus…$12M signing bonus paid out in equal installments over the first 3 years and $12M paid out in equal installments 2029-2031….$35M base salary first 3 years…
opt out at the end of year 3 w/team override (swellopt as Boras now named it) that adds $5M/year next 3 years
$36M base years 4-6….
opt out end of year 6 w/team override that adds $5M/year next 2 years…
years 7-8 $37M base..
club options years 9-10 $38M/per with $10M buyouts.
Total guaranteed without “overrides” and including buyouts and signing bonus $331M.
With “opt out overrides” $356M.
With years 9 and 10 (unlikely) $412M
If the CWS offer is 8/250 the Phillies could lower this offer but this would meet MM’s criteria money-wise as is and still allow extending Nola and going for Trout when he hits FA
Every team shld just stop giving them attention for holding out 4 so long and wait 4 them to come to the teams and lower their demands to under 200 million.
Good thing both sides are professional and understand what this means to a man’s family. Stop being so impatient.
He has already made close to $40 mm and he is only 26 years old. The average earnings of a college graduate for their lifetime is somewhere between $1.5 – 2.0 mm. Before he even signs this contract, he will have made approx. 20x more than any of us can expect to make in our lifetime.
It’s an ego thing.
Do your numbers account for inflation?
it’s a top free agent of the season thing. why is it wrong for him to wanting more?
talk about wall street kids. they can make millions right out of colleges, too! and they make money by playing with other people’s money.
College graduate not necessarily sacrifice so many good times, put in years of years of years of dedication to special craft. With life window of money earning under extreme bright light pressure that ends at around age 34.
But, apples and orange compare? Sure for fun.
So we are comparing athletes to regular folks now? I make 60k, I guess he should just hurry up and sign.
So what? You go for the best of both worlds. The most money from the city you want you and your family to live in for the next 8 years. Your upset as a fan. Players and execs see it different.
paulnewman…………….
There have been approx. 19,200 +/- MLB players in MLB history. It’s an elite talent driven profession.
In contrast (yes this statistic is a few years old but it gives an idea)….”According to the government’s National Center for Education Statistics: “During the 2013–14 school year, colleges and universities are expected to award 943,000 associate’s degrees; 1.8 million bachelor’s degrees; 778,000 master’s degrees; and 177,000 doctor’s degrees.”
See how that comparison really doesn’t work?
You type pretty well for a dead guy…love your pasta sauce BTW
Uh…never mind. I’m not even going to try.
And the owners?
Paul;
My message in a bottle to Manny:
Sometimes a great notion is to be a ‘cool hand Luke’ and hold out for all you can get, regardless of the color of money.
Such a hustler on the road to perdition is nobody’s fool and moves like a cat on a hot tin roof until the verdict is in.
Just don’t become young Philadelphians in your exodus from the terrace of Baltimore, where you’d soon feel the sting of the slap shot — albeit in the absence of malice — of your towering inferno crashing down like a glass menagerie as you ponder the life with CWS you might have hud.
Remember as you reach for the prize that somebody up there likes you. Come to our town — where the money is — and by all means avoid Fort Apache, The Bronx.
canocorn…..Up-voted for cleverness
Well the offseason is for dreams!!!!
Even if they do land Machado…
Cleveland still better thanCWS
MN still better than CWS.
Sox battle for 3rd at best imo
There’s something wrong with you guys who think you have to have everything right now.
yea that’s not at all how this works
Finally. Numbers getting released means we’re getting close.
Popular misconception I keep seeing here by posters…
BORAS IS NOT MACHADO’S AGENT!
He’s everyone’s agent!
#NotMyAgent
#NotMeToo
Machado to White Sox. Harper to Phillies.
Not sure how true any of these rumors are but I’ve heard that the mystery team is the Mets. As a Mets fan, I hope this isn’t true but let’s see. I’ve heard that if the Mets were able to swoop in & sign Machado to play SS, the Mets would shop Rosario for another elite SP like Corey Kluber.
Like I said, I’m sure these rumors are nonsense and I really hope that they’re false.
I’m a Mets fan and I say no reason here. If Machado was a great clubhouse guy, solid leader or could serve as a the face of a team for 8 years then sure. All accounts though are that he is none of those things.
I’m fine if the Mets pass here. Let’s not pretend though they don’t have the money if they wanted to spend it—they do and other then cano they have no guaranteed money after 2020….
That’s true but I’ve said many times before, I’d rather wait until after the 2019 season and go ALL IN on Nolan Arenado.
Agreed!!! Arenado should be the the guy they open the checkbook for.
I would be so fn happy if we did this.
No guarantee Arenado gets to FA.
@knuck2
It’s a guarantee that Arenado gets to free agency. He might legitimately be the first $400 million player. The Rockies are NEVER spending that kind of money on one player.
Doubt it with those Coors splits. Trout will be the first.
Rosario for Kluber….
Like I said, I’m sure the rumors are bogus. Why would the Indians want Rosario anyway, they have Lindor.
smh……
What if they threw in Dominic Smith and David Wright? That seems fair.
“Rosario for Kluber….”
lol
Then Lindor can pinch-hit off the bench.
Yes, Cleveland is so weak at SS.
Lol!!
The Mets have done really well this offseason. I’ve liked pretty much all of their additions so far.
Jed Lowrie was a good pickup, IMO. They are alot deeper (depth-wise), which is required to be a playoff team these days. If their pitching can actually be healthy in 2019, the Mets will compete for first-place.
I love a team that’s a lot deeper depth wise.
Mets fans are weird. Constantly complaining about how your team does nothing to win. Then, when the best possible scenario that can happen is in front of you, you want nothing to do with it.
Mets fans aren’t weird, we’re passionate. Something a lot of other fanbases know nothing about. So many people are like “oh my gosh, Machado is a FA, we have to do anything to get him”. My question to fans like that is “Why?”. Has Machado led teams to multiple championships??? Answer no. Has Machado at least help other players around him get better??? Answer no. Okay, I know Machado is a great clubhouse presence to have around younger players??? Again, the answer is no. Well, Machado can at least show inexperienced players how to play the game the right way, right??? The answer is no again.
Machado is a cancerous player. For all the homeruns & RBI’s he provides, Machado provides far more negativity to a club house and poor baseball ethics.
Hey Met fan. Didn’t the Mets trade for Cespedes. Sign him and then resign him. And then how long did you hang on to Harvey?Just wondering
Sorry, but you’re wrong. You could substitute Trout for Machado in your scenarios and most of it would still be true. So, would you be saying the same thing about Trout? He’s never won anything. He hasn’t helped the guys around him get better. At least no more than Machado.
Keep dreaming lol.
2019 AL Central Championship Lineup
1) Moncada 2B
2) Machado SS
3) Abreu 1B
4) Eloy RF
5) Alonso DH
6) Palka LF
7) Castillo C
8) Anderson 3B
9) Jay CF
too bad moncada sucks
That’s not fair. 796 ABs do not make a career.
Up to this point he’s been pretty bad can’t really deny that. His defense is horrid.
So far they make for an underwhelming start to it. Just throw him curveballs. He can’t hit ‘em for squat.
not as bad as that yankee defensive “juggernaut”.
They’re both bad in that dept. Good thing is neither one has hit their prime yet so we can assume they’ll both get better. How much is the question.
See Javier Baez.
Offensively, yes….defensively improvement is harder
Funny, he’s still a 2 WAR player despite being awful. I’d say that’s a pretty impressive floor.
Better than Harper……
He should hold out for $50m next year.
Do you realize Moncada only gets that positive war because of the position he plays? Put Moncada in the OF with the same numbers and he’s way in the negative territory.
That’s my biggest gripe with the WAR stat. You can’t compare players that play different positions by WAR or you don’t get a true/fair comparison.
Keon Broxton had a higher WAR than Harper last year too yet so many people swear by that stat.
I’m not on a crusade against it but clearly it’s not infallible.
But if you’re not good enough to play a tougher position, you’re clearly not as good as a defender as the person who can play those positions… right?
Priggs I’m not sure that’s necessarily Moncada’s floor. He received 650 PA’s to be a 2 WAR player and he also posted a 344 BABIP. With any BABIP regression he’d dip lower than a 2 win player. He needs to fix his approach st the plate. He’s not going to be anymore than this with his current K profile.
That’s starter level
Different is not always tougher
That’d be great but there’s still some pitching issues.
They have 0 pitching
Rodon, Lopez, and Nova are solid. Giolito has been bad. And we don’t have a 5th.
Bullpen is solid.
I think you left out a 7 before that 0 as we have 70/100 of our pitching staff covered. But that last 30% is huge (an ace and a solid #2-3), I’ll give you that. But Cease is on his way… and then Kopech in 2020?
Like your optimism but all those guys are at best 4/5 starters on a good team.
Aside from Cease and Kopech, don’t know what they are yet.
Not even close to true. Unless you’re specifically talking about right this second (still a stretch), the ceilings of Rodon/Lopez/Cease/Kopech are significantly higher than a 4/5.
Let me put it another way. None of Rodon, Lopez or Nova would crack the top 3 on Cleveland’s rotation. Probably wouldn’t beat out Clevinger either for the 4th spot. So yes those guys are 4 and 5 starters on a good team.
Ah. That makes more sense. Your definition of “good” is the best rotation in baseball. Gotcha.
Well right now that’s your competition you must beat.
Up the list a guy posted a AL Central championship lineup, another guy pointed out you haven’t got the pitching. I agree. Still time to improve in that area though.
If you sign Machado your lineup is probably better than Cleveland’s at least close to it. Get an Ace and you might have a chance.
Cleveland may be rebuilding. It’s unlikely they’ll trade kluber. But Carrasco, may be on his way out.. and Trevor Bauer.. if thats the case, I’ll say White Sox rotation has the best potential. And I could see a 85 win team win the central. Indians need to rebuild. And keep Ramirez and lindor:
Theyd be 4 or 5 on the Nats too.
I think Rodon is closer to a 2-3 than a 4-5 and Lopez will end up being a solid #3 but we’ll agree to disagree.
They very well may be in the future but right now they’re not, at least not on a good rotation.
Not trying to knock your guys, they’re good, potential is there, but your rotation doesn’t come close to the better rotations in the league. Not yet anyway.
God, where do these idiots come from? Questioning elite prospects who don’t even have a full season under their belt yet? Yeah ok, the Sox have zero pitching. And you have zero knowledge about baseball.
Fair enough.. but if the Indians decide to rebuild( most likely on the deadline). The only rotation I see is “good” is probably the twins, and the Sox. If the Sox are considering a starter after the machado/Harper chaos. I could definitely see them net Robbie Ray.
Probably about half the teams in baseball.
They signed Carracci to an extension. Don’t think they’ll trade him.
Some people view a prospect as an unproven young Mike Trout, others as an unproven young Gordon Beckham, Avisail Garcia or Joe Borchard.
There is no ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ here, except in hindsight. In the meantime, it’s like you’re arguing whether or not to like broccoli.
Sorry that’s not an AL central championship lineup. Real shot a 3rd though.
Have you seen the ALC? Indians still have control but from the sound of things, they’ll be selling ASAP.
Twins have a better hitting lineup, so do the Indians. Like I said, 3rd.
They need 3 above average guys in their rotation because only 2 of their starters were league average last year and the other 3 were sub replacement level.
Needs another bat and some starters to be a threat in AL
Looks good! The only difference wlll be Mddrigal Second base.,Moncado will play 3B and Anderson will be traded. The al;ops may bring back Avisail.
Jay will not be the starting CF.
Switch Moncada and Anderson.
Wait, wth is Madrigal? He’ll probably play 2B, and Anderson at CF.
Moncada is garbage. Red Sox fleeced the White Sox on that trade.
Too early to call him a bust, but with Kopeck in Tommy John rehab yeah Boston won that trade
Is he a $30m/yr guy? 8 years of MM is a scary thought and it if it becomes a bidding war between Philly and WSox, he may get that 10 year bid!! Craziness. Cashman and crew knew to pass and the Dodgers had him and aren’t banging down the door to have him return, that’s telling in itself. Magic loves to waste money….
The Dodgers have Seager coming back.
I agree, the Dodgers had him and now want nothing to do with him. That’s a bad sign.
Or a sign that their best player will be healthy next year…
They have Corey Seager coming back……and he’s not going anywhere (off SS or off the team for MM)
They have Justin Turner at 3B. Sure, he’s getting along in the years, and got hurt last season, but he’s still a beast at the plate (look at his “post ASG” stats)
Maybe he needs to be “THE Guy” somewhere, and that won’t be the case in LA.
Bold Prediction (think Jim Bowden crazy bold)…….
The Brewers are the mystery team. They will sign MM to play SS, move Arcia to 2B, Shaw back to 3B.
They have the payroll flexibility to do it, with not much committed beyond 2020. They could offer 10/275…..and add an excellent player to an already excellent team.
They’re already stretched payroll wise and don’t have a history of signing large or long term contracts. They added Grandal already and will add smaller accessories to supplement an already very good team. They’re more apt to add pitching then another bat.
It is clear Machado wants to go to “Mystery Team”. Poor guy is going to do everything he can to avoid signing w/ the Bridgeport Sox.
Baaahahahahah! Oh Bill! Solid Cubs fan joke.
Bill Smith boystown Cubs? You should know
Must be the same mystery team the Cubs were bidding against for Heyward.
Hahahaha Theo was bidding against himself. He won, but looking at the numbers, he lost. Miserably.
Hahahahaha! Yeah he lost on that Heyward contract! All they got the same year was a World Series trophy. I’m sure Theo is heart broken. Let’s see if the Sox can win one after they pay Machado more money then what the garbage franchise is even worth
Yes Cubguy, you’ve already made it very clear on other threads that the franchise is worth nothing because it’s in a diverse neighborhood. We get it, you hate minorities.
Wow. Getting a little personal there buddy. Calling a guy racist over a game. It’s only game why you hafta be mad?
I’m not your buddy, pal…
The Cards offered more
It thought they went single A and were renamed the “Bridgeport Inbreds.” Who are these White Sox people are speaking of? Everyone knows Chicago has one baseball team.
An 8 year deal would take him from his age 26 season to age 32 season. It’s hard to see why other team’s aren’t jumping at the thought of that, elite players like Machado who can hit and field don’t usually decline until they hit 34-35 baring major injury.
Math is hard
Still doesn’t change going to age 33 wouldn’t be bad.
Hahahaha
I think Jays fan was figuring the years in the metric system lol. Math IS hard
That is funny
Nice math, stupid
News flash 8+26=34 not 32
He starts 2019 at the age of 26 (1)
27(2)
28(3)
29(4)
30(5)
31(6)
32(7)
33(8)
At least get it right if you’re going to troll bro look at his bbref page, 2018 was his age 25 season. I acknowledged my mistake, still doesn’t change getting an elite player for 8 years is a steal when you look at what guys like Cabrera and Stanton got a few years ago taking them close to or into their 40s.
Nope. You said it takes him TO his year 32 season.
Even correcting, you’re wrong. It takes him TO his 34. As in through, not to his 33rd
Yeah, but Jays fans work in being off by kilometers.
He is all star, not perennial MVP candidate. Please all teams, pump brakes. Please all media, pump brakes. Dodgers added him to great lineup, did go over hump? No! Attitude of a type Jeter, Verlander, Kirk Gibson, Poppi Ortiz, win-fun-win-fun, help coaches raise youngsters into team spirit champions? No! Talent worth the world, but more than physicals determine contract value worth.
Some foolish 8/240? Yes but, Ouch! We predict, a lot.
Haha he said “Poppi” Ortiz. I hope you’re refering to my favorite Seinfeld episode
No soup is best episode?
Keith Hernandez and The Spit.
Chinese restaurant.
Frogger.
No Soup for You
Anything with Jerry Stiller on the Florida condo Board.
Final (2-part) episode also a masterpiece. Kind of like a reunion party for the entire series. Notice Keith in the courtroom?
Machado is drasaaaaging this lol. He’s trying to avoid philly and Chicago
From reading your many comments, you always go back to trashing other cities.
Too bad.
I’ve been to NY and New England areas. Loved both.
You’re missing out on the charm other cities possess.
I haven’t been to Chicago, but have read nice things.
I did grow up in Philly and can write a novel on just the attractions
I didn’t trash the city, I simply stated he doesn’t want to go to the white Sox and philly. Where does it show I trashed the city’s ? Please tell me
My guess is Machado will get 8 years 325 million from the White Sox and then never hit over .275 again!
There’s NO WAY Machado gets a $40 plus million AAV. Whatever you’re smoking, please pass it around. I want to go to dreamworld too, haha.
Lol, Manny’s not getting near what he thought. Once Philly signs Harper, they’re not going after Machado. And this “mystery team” is just BS.
I can see the White Sox offer dropping to about 150 mil when it’s clear that they’re the only team left for Manny to go.
At that price the Yankees will absolutely strike. No way even Hal passes on that
“At that price the Yankees will absolutely strike. No way even Hal passes on that”
The Pirates can afford that price for Machado.
Mr. Stupid Money is a thief.
Machado, Jimenez, Abreu, Moncada (when he figures it out), Robert, Madrigal.
That’s a solid offensive future
We all make mistakes. The rebuild through youth is going just fine, why waste all that $ on one player? They have several core hitters coming soon Eloy, Robert, and others. Save the $ get the core to the pros and then use that money of frontline pitching. Stack arms, that’s what wins.
Couldn’t agree more. Machado will NOT put them over the top.
I see it as “paving the way” for future major acquisitions. If the sox are able to sign a “once in a lifetime” talent, they’re all of a sudden on the map for any FA in the future.
^this
lol
Yes, but if their young players get better, they’ll be out of money.
Review the Albert Belle experience.
Let’s cross that bridge when we get there. I love all the young talent we have but none of them have proven anything in the majors. Scary thought.
Thanks for the input Carrington Spencer. If their “young players” are, in 3-4 years, getting $8-15mm in arbitration, then I’m ok with that because that speaks of their past production the years before. That’s how the whole arbitration process works.
Once in a lifetime? I’m not sure who you’re talking about here Chris Sale? Certainly not manny machado.
The Sox have arms, and they have the money to sign an mvp-caliber bat and an ace pitcher should one become available.
What are these arms you’re talking about Cease and Kopech? They could be just fine but frontline starters? Not so sure. Kopech had some potential but who knows what kind of pitcher he will be after his year long rehab. It’s tough to project ace level starters in the minor leagues. Too many can’t miss arms, miss at the ML level. Wouldn’t it be nice to have the $ to spend on the rotation, this is where teams reach the next level.
Dane Dunning flying under the radar also for future rotation piece. Should be ready by 2020, if not a call up later in 2019. Injury set back late last year in AA ball. Giolito will be toast if he doesn’t start fulfilling the hype this year, but Sox knew he was a reclamation project.
Please. Every organization in baseball has future rotation pieces in their system. Dane Dunning is no staff ace, they dont have one and teams with legit playoff success have several ace pitchers.
What is the money being offered? Eight years is a lot for a guy who has had two knee surgeries (even that is risky IMO), and 8/240 is about the limit of what I would do. He could be a bilingual marketing goldmine in Chicago, and he’d be the face of the franchise.
I don’t understand why he made a comment on “if indeed the Yankees are out” on Harper!? Wtf, they were never said to be in. Just in rumors! Lol, stuuuuupid!
He was talking about Machado not Harper/
I don’t understand why, but baseball media types are always pushing for top FAs to land with the Yankees and Dodgers. Probably cuz most media are from NY and Cali.
I almost feel like the Phillies could land both these guys. If Manny’s # drops and the Phils do the years, they could pull it off.
The Phillies have $70-80 million to spend before they hit 50% payroll to revenue. They could give both of those guys what they are asking for and still have room in their payroll.
The Phillies can afford to write $400 million contracts for each and stay under this artificial cap for the life of the deals.
The Phillies do not have any position talent to pay in the future. Their rebuild was a total failure.
Umm have you heard of Rhys Hoskins?
Japan is always an option, Johnny.
Late summer 2019 white Sox lineup.
Could look pretty good
CF. Robert
3b. Machado
1b. Abreu
LF. Eloy
DH. Alonso
C. Castillo / Collins
2B. Moncada
RF. Platoon (Jay,Sanchez,Garcia)
SS. Anderson
When Madrigal takes over 2b. Maybe move Moncada to Cf and push Robert to Rf.
I’d rather move Moncada to RF than Robert. Robert is supposed to be a very good defender, and CF is a lot more difficult to learn that a corner spot.
Would love to see Rutschman out of Oregon State be their long-term Catcher at #3 in June draft, but doubt KC would allow him to get past them as the successor to Salvador Perez. Mentioning not for this year, but that sort of “luck” could make Collins a trade chip later for a key veteran target if they do land Machado/accelerate the excitement.
Looks like a League Average lineup to me. Nothing to see here.
It makes sense. White Sox need him the most. We have Eloy and Cease coming up. I see 75 wins if this gets done. The rest depends upon the young pitching and offense
1. The White Sox problem since Ozzie left is defense and fundamental play. Watching opposing runners score from 1st and 2nd on a ground ball to the SS – and like plays – seems to happen too often……as well as runners stopping at 2nd and 3rd when the opposing teams cut-off man is holding the ball in the OF conceding home and 3rd to them.
Offense is not the issue.
2. If the legendary Manny comes to the Sox, he will want to play SS. And he is not a very good SS.
Sounds about right, but there’s enough elite talent on the roster to win 85+ if the pitching catchers fire earlier than predicted.
Anyone want to play the “great clubhouse guy” drinking game? Anytime someone writes it on this thread you take a shot. I’m already hammered…
Machado is not great clubhouse guy. I believe Harper is great clubhouse guy. Surely much better great clubhouse guy than Machado.
That great clubhouse guy title is major thing that stands between Machado and contract, nobody likes him, and nobody will put that money and those years with player who is not great clubhouse guy.
Enjoy 🙂
Sir Becks, MatsFanaticDanny and other who say MM is a clubhouse cancer….
Can you supply one quote depicting such? I Googled “Machado clubhouse cancer” and came up with nothing other than fan opinions.
Then I googled ” Machado good teammate” and came up with 3 quotes quikly and then stopped looking for more…..
“He’s a good teammate. He’s an even better player,”
Zach Britton
“I’ll stand by my comment — he’s the best person I know in this game,”
Steve Pearce
“I know he’s a good teammate,”
Delin Betances
Google any of those quotes and you will see they are accurate. Can you or anyone provide an opposing view?
You mean the guy that got choked out by his teammate in the dugout? That guy? Sounds great to me.
Yelsnit…..exactly. Google “Harper tantrum” and plenty of results come up. Google “Bryce Harper lazy” and you will find he has been called out or benched by every manager he has played for, including Dave Martinez this past July.
It amazes me when people say Harper always hustles and Manny does not or that only Manny throws tantrums.
They both suck then. Fair assessment.
thur-mer;
The Surgeon General warns that pregnant women should not operate heavy machinery.
I’ve decided to ignore all Manny and Bryce rumors starting now until either of them sign. Not all that interested in them anyway. Enough.
it is 250 according to the same source hector gomez that broke the story about the yanks being out and the next day DJ was signed.
8 year / $276 million offer. Machado’s camp still want more than Stanton got for his extension.
I love seeing other teams tie up that much money for that long on what will end up being a bad, back loaded contract.
They aren’t tying up anything. These are all billionare owners and in the White Sox case a tean with basically unlimited luxury tax space.
8/250 is the offer according to the update. The Sox are going for it, let’s see what Philly does.
8/$250 would be a fair deal for both sides imo, and the Sox can handle it.
I’m sure he’d prefer 10-12/330+ though
With that offer they have him off their books when he’s 34
$249 million is closer to 200 than 300 so technically Levine would be correct. FAR too many people think that means the White Sox offered $200 million. That is not the case.
Machado’s camp has been clear that anything less than a record AAV would not be considered. I am sure that the White Sox are not going to make a formal offer lower than that after having many discussion with Machado and his agent.
So $34.5 million is the bottom line AAV. We also know that they made a 7 year offer. So their initial offer was likely around 7 years and $241.5 million. Machado said I want more than Stanton got. Now the White Sox have upped that to 8 years. We can be pretty sure that is for $276 million or more.
Uh, 250 is closer to 300 there skippy.
You are another sad example of south Chicago schools.
249 is 49 away from 200 and 51 to 300.
Two things: 1) I’m from the northside of Chicago. 2) You round up from 5, not down. The closest hundred to 250 is 300, not 200.
The update clearly stated $250MM, so where are you getting 249 from?
If Al Einstein were alive today, he’d be a CWS fan.
Energy = Machado x contract(squared)
What machado wants and what machado will get are two different stories. In case you didn’t notice one of the 3 teams that was seriously in on him essentially picked DJ lemahieu instead. I don’t really agree with that choice over harper/machado or a significant LH bat but that’s reality. At the moment only the WS and Phils seem to be seriously in on the guy. The dodgers are making no effort to bring him back. The Rsox are tapped out financially, same with the cubs who would seemingly only make room possibly for Harper. The dodgers have no interest in a reunion. Unless the Mets and Cards get in on Machado, he doesn’t have a plethora of options for a mega deal.
In case you didn’t notice, signing guys like LeMahieu has never stopped the Yankees from going after the big time talent.
It just makes a Machado signing less likely.
He will be miserable there and traded after 3 seasons.
lol
HE’S NOT COMING TO CHICAGO
Like people are saying he doesn’t want to come to Chicago and honestly yes he’s a good player but i rather try to sign Moose for one year and sign Dallas to be our horse in the rotation and wait for Nolan Arenado and Chris Sales
Wth do the Sox need with Moose?
Manny, please go to Chicago. i’m down with Bryce Harper, but won’t lose sleep if we don’t get him
If we get Harper, shop Williams along with a few of the pitching prospects to grab Kluber (based on contract) and then go ahead and bring in Mesoraco inexpensively to take some of the load off of Alfaro, use Knapp in AAA.
2017, if you want to trade Nick Williams and some of the quality pitching prospects for Kluber , why not make that trade but include Knapp and get Realmuto?
Less than 30 minutes before a conflicting report.
They’re getting quicker.
Anyone signing a contract longer than 4 years with Machado needs to have their head examined.
The 7 year offer was for close to $250 million and the WS did make an 8 year offer according to multiple sources not named Bob Nightengale. I will almost always take the word of multiple, credible sources over one, not so credible source.
Mystery team = M-E-T-S
The Mets are the mystery team but at the end of the day, I believe the White Sox will outbid everyone.
I think the Mets are the mystery team the have the money to spend and could use a 3B since wright is gone for good & Machado is a much better option than frazier. Cespedes is out for half if not most of the year it makes much more sense IMO
The Mets are the mystery team but at the end of the day, I believe the White Sox will outbid everyone.
I still expect him to go to the Yankees. That’s where he really wants to be.
Pay this scrub 30 million a year? So he can run halfway to first on a groundball? And choose when he wishes to play hard.
Pass.
There is a time and a place, as they say.
Monday morning quarterbacks will say Manny should ALWAYS hustle for that kind of money. Tuesday afternoon quarterbacks will say, “… especially in the World Friggin Series for Chrissakes!”
But Friday night quarterbacks will say, “Why the Hades was Manny busting it down the line, blowing out his quad on an easy out?”
I always busted it down the line and viewed it as a beneficial workout, regardless of the game situation. But I was never worth $30 Million per lifetime, let alone per year.
I suspect that after all the fan bases chime in there will be 28 mystery teams for Manny Machado.
I don’t see it as simple as just being about teams being able to pay $30M/year for Manny.
You have to consider the aftershocks: the most obvious is the inherent demands of the other elite player(s) on your team.
Using NYY as an example:
Sign Manny/Harper @ $30M and …
what’s Stanton’s reaction?
what’s Judge number in a few years?
(and, potentially, Torres’, etc)
Also, this whole idea of “pay me guaranteed money for being the best available at my position”?
That’s understandable and fine … however … that’s actually guaranteed money for what you’ve done combined with predictions/expectations of what you will do
… and if you don’t?
You still get that money: what does the team get?
No player/agent would ever go for it … and I’m positive the MLBPA would lose its collective mind about it … but a 10 year contract at $20M base with annual incentives at $10M is a win/win
… and, please, save the whining about “securing my family’s financial future because if you can’t do that at $20M/Year then you’re a moron and $30M would not be the difference maker
This would be a huge mistake on his part. 3 years of losing .. if he signs with them. That’s at least 3 years.
Was it a mistake when Lester signed with the Cubs?
Was it a mistake when Cano signed with the Mariners? How much money is enough and how important is a reasonable chance to win a World Series means different things to different people.
Obviously it wasnt a mistake. 4 straight playoff appearances…3 straight lcs appearances 1 world series championship. co-mvp for the NLC. 10weeks give or take without Bryant no Darvish they still won 95 games. They are still the team to beat in along side the cardinals..
Ok, so why are you projecting multiple losing seasons with the White Sox? They have more elite talent than the Cubs did when they signed Lester. They could easily win the AL Central with Machado and another year of player development from their respective prospects.
They are 3 or 4 years away from being the playoffs. The white Sox got better after the Cubs got Lester. The Cubs helped that happen with eloy Jimenez and Dylan Cease. They got way too much for Adam Eaton from Washington and got a lot back from the red Sox for chris sale.
Huh?
What dont you get? The Cubs nats and red Sox helped the white Sox get better after jon Lester went to the Cubs. They were nowhere near as good as the Cubs prior to 2015
And from a player’s perspective, Cano’s decision to go for every single dollar to play for a team with no track record of World Series success took precedence over accepting a little less money and playing for a team with the best track record of World Series wins. There is no wrong decision here, depends on the individual player’s desires, which was my point. Mo money or winning championships. The luckiest ones get to do both.
Why are you projecting multiple championship seasons on the projection of players that haven’t proven themselves against MLB talent? Machado might sign with the ChiSox, but he doesn’t appear to be all that gaga excited about it, does he. I wonder why if they are as good as you predict?
The ChiSox have collected prospects that may make them better, but doing it in the minor leagues doesn’t guarantee MLB success. Or does it?
According to Cubs fans, it did when they were rebuilding. Everybody was guaranteed to be a future star, and Schwarber has been destined for the Hall since the day he put a Cubs hat on.
How do you know what Machado’s “gaga excited” about? You’re simply projecting your own biases into the conversation.
Bias? Not at all, I just don’t confuse feeling with critical thinking.
Don’t you just love happy endings?
A critical thinking Yankee fan? I think your collective heads are too far up your own behinds for that.
Don’t go away hurt, grasshopper. What makes you believe I’m a Yankee fan?
Man he’s really going to sign with the Whitesox huh lol? By default pretty much if the Phillies are indeed the favorites for Harper.
Nothing “default” about it. The White Sox have been linked to Machado ever since he played for the Orioles. By all accounts, they’ve been the front runner for him the whole time.
That doesn’t mean he wants to be there, again this isn’t a team that free agents have been attracted to in the past. Perhaps if the WS end up as the team that moves to Vegas things change, but until then there’s a reason players don’t want to go there.
Maybe, just maybe, it has something to do with them not wanting to overpay players like Jason Heyward.
They had no problem attracting David Robertson with a big contract before paying relievers was the cool thing to do.
A lot of teams have trouble signing top free agents. The Sox have gone after many top free agents, they usually ended up getting outbid. The owner’s never been a big spender (like Detroit or Anaheim in the past. Their approach to roster construction has changed, and it’s given them some financial flexibility as a result.
White Sox fans do you honestly want a player on your team that obviously doesn’t want to be there ? It’s mid January and he is STILL dragging it which speaks volumes. I think Dallas kiechel would be better money spent to be honest as they need pitching. Ottavino too
Go back to bed.
Be honest with me why hasn’t he signed then ? He doesn’t like his options because if he did this would have been resolved by now
Maybe because of this thing called money. They aren’t backing up a Brinks truck with the $350M he and his agent think he’s worth, so he’s not going to jump on the first deal offered.
Machado currently has three teams bidding for his services. Shouldn’t he wait it out for the most money/years/incentives? All free agents do this, right?
They already have 25 guys on their roster that obviously want to play for the Yankees. What’s one more?
By that logic, he doesn’t want to be with anybody.
Hahahahahahahaha. That’s the White Sox for ya
Remember when all the news about Harper and possibly Machado nearing the 500$ million threshold at free agency?? Thank the lord that idiocy isn’t taking place. As a matter of fact, thank the lord no one is going to get Stanton money. That should be the anomaly one time forever thing. None of these guys are worth over 300 mil. Just ridiculous.
I’m Ron Burgundy?
The AL Central is a weak division…the CWS attendance was 1.6MM in 2018 if they become competitive like in the past they push 2-2.3MM in attendance. Simple math at $50 avg ticket and a gain of 400,000 in attendance is $20MM in revenue if they pull in the 2.3MM that’s $35MM which pays for Manny.
The White Sox ranked 3rd in the AL in attendance in ‘06 (2.9M) following their Championship season. It’s a huge market, and the Sox always draw when they’re good. The Cubs get the tourists, the White Sox get real Chicagoans who are baseball fans.
If they are the real fans why don’t they show up ? Their attendance in recent years has been terrible. The cubs huge fan base isn’t just tourists as they are all over the country. They are a storied franchise (108 year drought or not)
Like I said, White Sox fans are real baseball fans who are actually Chicagoans. We’re not going to show up when you tell us you’re trying to win a championship with Jimmy Rollins and James Shields starting on opening day. Cubs fans don’t care if their roster is terrible and the owner throws cash at washed up players year after year.
Focus on my words… BASEBALL fans, as opposed to CUBS FANS. That’s important.
These are your words…”It’s a huge market, and the Sox always draw when they’re good. ” ….”the White Sox get real Chicagoans who are baseball fans.”.
That doesn’t support your flawed logic.
It’s a clever way to say Sox fans are bandwagoners
It’s a clever way to so the only people who root for the so are those who just hate the Cubs for whatever reason
Yankeepatriot………it’s a way, whether it’s clever is debatable.
Google the attendance figures for this team—when they’re bad, or have a bad roster, the Sox fans simply will not “consume” that product. We’re discerning baseball fans who understand the game and know what an MLB team looks like.
It’s all spurious logic to you because you’re a Cubs fan. You guys FANS of the team, not the game. It makes perfect sense to everyone else.
If the owner refuses to invest revenues into the product on the field for years, you stay away. It’s the only way to send a message that we want to see improvements to the roster. Otherwise, you get shat the Cubs did for 100 years.
You honestly think Yankees fans sellout the stadium when they suck or have barely average players on the roster? I’ve been to Yankees Stadium to watch games. I saw A LOT of empty seats there. Normal people aren’t going to shell out hundreds of dollars to watch a poorly constructed team with no identity or direction, which is what the Sox have been prior to the rebuild.
ChiSoxCity….
Have you thought about politics? Your “logic” (aka BS) would play well especially in Chicago.
Not sure who you were responding to but I’m a baseball/Phillies fan since 1962 and the CWS do not have a lock on “discerning baseball fans”.
Many Phillies fans act as you described…..”if they ain’t winning I ain’t going” and that’s just sad, and basically hypocritical.
Cat, Sox fans are not the same animal as Philly fans. You guys have a much lower tolerance for “BS” than Sox fans. Chicago sports fans in general have a lot more patience than fans in the northeast. Anyway, there has to be some accountability for owners when they refuse to make reasonable investments to the product on the field. Owners in other towns may get away with insincerity or greed—that won’t happy on the southside. Ever. I doubt Philly sees sellout crowds with some of the rosters we’ve seen in Chicago over the years. As long as the team is making progress and puts quality talent on the field, Sox fans will proudly show up to the ballpark. That’s how it’s supposed to work.
Wow…just wow….LMAO
Have a good day…this is ridiculous
What part of White Sox fans only show up when they’re good but totally aren’t fair weather fans because the White Sox fan says so doesn’t make sense?
I mean, when you put it bluntly, it’s clear as day
LATERZ
petriedish, call it what you want, I don’t care. Any fanbase that blindly shows up no matter how the team is operated are fools.
Clearly you don’t care based on the amount of mental gymnastics you’re going through justify this…
CSC;
… aka flubs fans.
I haven’t seen any offers from the Stupid Money team to either Machado or Harper.
The Phillies can do 8 years for $320 million to Machado and laugh up their sleeves.
Not saying it is probable, giving Friedman’s track record, but possible mystery team being Dodgers. Manny 3B, JT 1B, and the mildly scary thought of Mad Max’ glove at 2B. Whly LAD has not to this point signed a legit 2B to this point adds to cautious speculation. I’d be surprised if this was to be as anyone, but there it is.
Where will Seager play?
SS
I hate greedy players, I really do. What if the poor guy “only” gets 8 years/200 million? How will he ever survive? These teams need to put offers and expiration dates to accept. If gets stupid at a certain point and if gm’s can’t figure out when they are being used, their team needs a new one. He has zero intention of committing to 7+ years on a last place team. If the Sox “win” his services, then what? They have no starting pitching, no impact players under the age of 30 other than Machado, no bullpen…and no budget left. Why are they even playing this game when they are nothing more than pawns? Agent and Machado have to be laughing non-stop and Phillies are fools. Put Harper and Machado in the same room, reveal all the cards and say take it or leave it.
How do you feel about greedy owners?
Ether of these players will make easily twice as much for their respective teams in revenue as they’d be paid for their services. And that’s a conservative estimate.
Considering they’re the ones who will sweat and bleed to make that kind of profit even possible, how is it unreasonable, let alone greedy, to request their fair share?
But sure, these poor teams, who literally have nothing better to do until February, have to suffer through a long negotiation… Oh the humanity…
It surprises me how many comments are Pro ownership without realizing it. Revenues in MLB have gone up, these players deserve their fair share. I don’t see owners lowering prices because the players salaries have come down. Prices are still going up meaning more money in the owners pocket. Many people forget owners are employers and players are employees like any other business just on a way higher scale.
They know what the players make, the owners profit margins are much harder to figure out
Therefore if you want to lash out, the player is the easy target.
He’d be dumb not to take that
NattyTown Dread;
Your comment the perfect counterpoint to ‘mets mij’, above.
By that logic, he doesn’t want to be with anybody.
He’s reports say white Sox only offered 7 years for 175-210. Do these reporters know anything that is true?
No, they don’t.
They also never claim they do, in their defense. They’re reporting second or third hand accounts that may or may not be intentionally misleading.
They’re reporting rumors, so should always be taken with a grain of salt
175-210M? That would defy common sense.
the mlb tweet about this was deleted.