It seems the Twins are preparing for a light spending year, as Phil Miller of the Star Tribune writes, in spite of an apparent opportunity to challenge in the game’s weakest overall division. That seems to have led to some less-than-compelling efforts at selling the approach to fans.
“The best moves are made not when you’re trying to open the window to contend, but when the window is wide open,” GM Thad Levine says. “We’re very eagerly waiting for this window to be opened, and when it is, we plan on striking.”
Meanwhile, president of baseball operations Derek Falvey cited a desire to “invest appropriately for the right years” and to “make sure we are getting the best years” when it comes to paying for talent.
To be frank, these statements are a bit befuddling. The logic is circular, to the extent it’s discernible at all. How is it, exactly, that one knows when the window has been opened, to borrow Levine’s passively-framed metaphor? Not just past performance, of course; after all, Falvey decries free agency, which “historically, is sometimes more focused on the past.” Instead, he says, “I want to pay for what’s coming in the future.” So, do the Twins foresee success?“You need to invest in the group that you have,” he says, “and I feel really good about ours.” Despite that assessment, here we are, evidently waiting for that window to be opened.
Somewhat ironically, there’s a risk here for the Twins that, by the time the window is opened (whatever it is that entails), it’ll slam back shut rather quickly. For one thing, as Falvey himself explained, low-budget teams oversee “a lot of variation … in terms of performance” since they are reliant upon less-proven talent year after year. So, perhaps, a one-year performance boost can’t even necessarily be relied upon (as the Twins well know from recent experience) in deciding when to push the pedal down. How, then, do you know when to get aggressive?
For another, the Twins’ would-be “core” group isn’t all that fresh-faced. Virtually all of the club’s key players are already in arbitration or will qualify for it next fall. Four of the team’s five starters will be free agents at season’s end. Even if there are some promising developments from still-controllable players, it could become awfully expensive to build around them before they themselves reach top-end arb salaries and then free agency.
The Minnesota front office duo found itself on more comfortable ground when emphasizing the more affirmative aspects of the plan. It seems there’s quite a premium being place on flexibility. That aspect of the explanation makes greater intuitive sense. Levine suggests that the club’s “unusual abundance of variance and volatility” — a characterization with which I’d generally agree — leaves some real upside on the table. If things break right, he says, the club has the assets needed “to make adjustments to this team pretty quickly.”
The plan, then, seems to be for the organization to see whether Byron Buxton, Miguel Sano, Max Kepler, and others will force the issue — with pending free agent bounceback candidates like Jonathan Schoop, Michael Pineda, Jake Odorizzi, Martin Perez, Blake Parker, and Addison Reed also representing major wild cards. Is things shake out, and the Indians stumble, then a deadline buy is always possible. If not, the Twins can trade the short-term pieces that are performing and look ahead to a future in which the organization has literally no salaries on the books.
That all makes sense enough, but it’s still surely rather frustrating for some fans. As Miller notes, the club is presently on track to carry a payroll that would stay below $100MM. That would seem to leave a fair bit of coin on the table when compared to recent spending levels — and leave the team short of maximizing its immediate opportunity (even account for possible mid-season swaps). Levine says the Twins want to strike when the moment is right; Falvey says they need to invest in the future. There’s an argument to be made that paying or trading for some relatively youthful, quality contributors now would be the perfect way to bet on the team’s talent without jeopardizing the future.
JJB
Teams like the Twins and Tigers (especially the latter) need to work on conveying the message in a better way to fans.
I’m not saying to outright LIE, because people can see through that, but this post and the one about the Tigers next few seasons offer little to no optimism at all to fans (outside of “diehards”).
The tone of the modern-day front offices doesn’t come across very well to inspire much hope to casual fans, which is most of each fan base.
I think the Twins have a better chance than the Tigers, but the more a front office speaks, the less encouraging the reality actually sounds.
Johnny Vegas
I agree about the tigers on some level, but don’t forget that ownership spent around 65% of revenue on player payroll the past 7 years. I think the Twins were around 45. White Sox were around 40%. We should all be so lucky to ever have an ownership that invested that much on field. If it comes with lean years when the team is awful, so be it. Spend when you are good.
JJB
I agree with you. I’d just like a more positive message during the lean years. I’m sure that makes me a bandwagon fan, and I don’t want them to sugarcoat the truth, but I suppose something to inspire a little bit of hope.
Ejemp2006
I agree! A lot! Tigers still own my faith, went for the gusto for years and years and still paying for that big try. And even if big fall off cliff for Cabrera, I still watch him and root for him. Even his broken produces more than 99% of a prospect.
Twins should do shame walk if they admit, still more, maybe another decade of rebuild, watch us, pay the ticket, even if we don’t take chance on exciting free agents.
Ejemp2006
The article say good insight. The central looks even weaker this year and the Indians look more worse.
The Twins or White Sox could do some splashes and go for the gusto. Or just roll over. They choose the latter? And make sadness for fans? Then shame. Try to win. If little chance, then sign some.
Too many turning over the league to big cities, when plenty of raw revenue and revenue share money to allow all to compete. Make some big signs. A lot!
Col. Taylor
Great posts Ejemp.. your english is improving.
jessecc08
sign Kimbrel to a one year $20mm deal. that will appease the fans and allow future payroll flexibility for the organization. I’m sure as things drag out and camp gets closer Kimbrel’s not going to get the deal he wants and this allows him to enter FA again next season.
Moneyballer
Did you even read the article? It basically admitted they will not be doing that plus that is not the deal Kimbrel wants.
kleppy12
Yeah and sign Harper and Machado to one year 15 million dollar deals too! Because that’s just about as likely as what you are suggesting.
Pablo
Twins going all in is signing the top tier lower market players, saying it didn’t work an then losing for ten years.
Loria was forced out for imploding his team too many times, hopefully the twins get that chance. Not that the marlins are any better, but the cheapskate Pohlads need a lifetime ban from owning teams.
It’s a huge market and they continue to make their team go after the most mediocre players.
Say they were burned by Mauer. But seriously go to a game in the last ten years and tell me how many people are wearing $100+ Mauer jerseys chomping on nachos. His value was way more in merch and seats once he moved to first.
Ya gotta sell, and they don’t get that. Winning constantly sells. Big signing sells. It makes the fans happy and owners happy… but these goofballs put out crud and say they gotta cut costs cause of the money. Maybe try for once, and do real research.
jd396
The Twins problem is that they’ve had a dismal record with their farm system going back quite a while now, and not many teams out there have the revenue to straight up buy an entire roster of other teams’ players as an alternative to having a productive minor league system. It’s easy to just sit here and say they should spend more when there’s essentially nothing that could have been done spending-wise to turn around most of the losing teams.
rashomon
Harper or Machado must have said no. Fear rules too many organizations these days, but they call it being prudent or wisely using resources. The end result is the complacency that accompanies the cowardly, where the fear of failure is greater than the desire to win.
Moneyballer
The singular question that every small-mid budget organization must answer is, will we contend long-term or not: are we leveraged enough to contend for multiple years?. To answer this question, a lot of of analytics and projection must take place.
phantomofdb
Yeah this makes no sense. I understand that sano and Buxton and a few others had bad years which contributed to the team’s bad year.
But the logic of “we have money to burn so let’s wait and see what happens with those guys and then acquire pieces if we are in good shape” doesn’t work. You don’t spend money halfway through the year you spend your prospects.
With money to burn you spend your money and if the team flatlines, you sell those good players to get more prospects, and actually invest in your future.
In short, the twins are full of it.
Daryl125
Completely agree – and I think this is what upsets Twins fans the most. You have a group of players that looks primed to take a step forward this year; why not spend to put some pieces in place around them? If they take the step forward, the team is in a position to add role fillers and injury replacements in exchange for prospect capital. Without spending beforehand, the team would need to spend significant prospect capital to bring in major pieces to push the team over the top.
I’m not advocating for signing the top of the market and making big money commitments on free agents, but at some point you have to expect your young players to compete and commit to them early.
This “wait and see” approach sets the franchise up for 2-3 years of competitive baseball followed by another 4-5 year rebuild.
jd396
They’re talking out of both sides of their mouth trying to sound good, but message is kind of obvious to me. Spending lots of money on free agents is an investment in your roster, and they don’t think this roster is worth investing in. It comes down to 1) Sano and Buxton trending closer to busts than superstars and 2) nearly all of their upper minors SP talent is at the same uncertain, early stage.
Everything this team had going on was predicated on the idea that Sano and Buxton were going to be elite players and the foundation of this roster. That seems unlikely now.
vonjunk
It’s gone from Moneyball to Moneybums.
Beane and many that first embraced analytics did it as a way to win. Now, nearly every front office is full of them, but most aren’t playing to win and nearly all are parroting the same mantra about being patient and wise. They won’t take chances and they and their teams and fans really miss out on some players/contracts that could have worked out for them.
This is the era of the Moneybums who I suspect, aren’t into trying to win and are using the rebuild as a template to line owner’s coffers. Most mid-level teams shouldn’t need to rebuild. They should be able to set up a farm system that supplies them with good, affordable players and then sign players to fill out a roster. Sure, there can be down years, but so many teams not trying before the seasons starts is bad for the sport.
southi
If Buxton has an above average season, but the team as a whole still falters, they absolutely need to trade him away at the deadline for the best package they can net. Dealing him (if in the midst of a good production year) would likely bring back at least a couple of high profile talented prospects.
slider32
Forbes has all MLB teams making over 210 million dollars a year which is the top of the cap. I would like to see a floor now to make teams spend a minimum on players. As a trade off players could agree to a maximum 6 year contracts. This would help the game be more competitive. The Tigers were in the series a few years ago and at one time had Verlander,Price, Porcello, and the Twins made the playoffs 2 years ago.
User 4245925809
The league is so adamant about penalizing teams for spending what some perceive as so much, yet half the league get away with doing the opposite and have for years with no penalty.
There should be penalties for just the opposite as you sort of mentioned Slider.. lack of spending and not spending decent amounts as roughly 20% of the league has done. It’s the so called “small market” teams that shout about being priced out which refuse to spend. Why the MLBPA allows them to get away with it every bargaining agreement shows how weak the union is when it comes to items that really need, or should have attention rather than flat out gimmicks they chase after.
Inflict harsh penalties on the Athletics, Rays, Marlins of the league for refusal to pay (and maintain) a say 100-120m payroll each season and let’s see how long they can stand on their own 2 legs.
Wahoo What a Finish!
With the Indians front office waiving the white flag on the 2019 season this is the perfect time for the Twins to go for it. The Twins gave the Indians all they could handle in 2017 and that’s when the Indians had a much better ball club. Go for it!
dodgerlove
January 25th, 2019 seems like a great time for a team to start discussing their 2018-2019 spending plans. You don’t think this is something you should have figured out, say, before free agency begins and we’re less then a month away from Spring Training?
its_happening
AL Central is the most vulnerable division in baseball. The Twins may be in the best position to spend and win in 2019. They can’t decide to jump with both feet or just dip a toe.
The vulnerability is why the White Sox have emerge as darkhorses for Machado and Harper. Cleveland can be pushed.
Wahoo What a Finish!
The AL Central is a dumpster fire.
Dtownwarrior78
Sounds to me like another front office that will pray the cheap players will compete and they will get good gate while lining their pockets with more coin. As a Tigers fan we got some of this news this week as well from GM Al Avila saying we won’t spend any FA dollars until 22 or 23 at the earliest. All the while they put that excess cash in the bank! Baseball has NEVER been more profitable, but these owners aren’t giving the FA’s the cut they deserve and collusion is back in a big way folks. Open your eyes and demand more from these front offices!
Z-A 2
What about trading for an undesirable contract with some minor league or controllable mlb talent attached? Looking at the Cubs.
Wade Herbers
Stop going the stadium. I will not spend 8 hours of life driving 4 hours and watching a 4 hour game to pay $100 for tickets and $25 for parking and $40 for hot dogs/beers.. I can see the Saints for the same time and 1/4the $. I WILL not pay MLB rates for a AAA team. Spend $20 million more and get Marwin G and Gio G and at least make a effort to win. They can be traded at the break for prospects and shed half the $ if we are not in position to win. Worst case scenario is you spend $10 million more ( which is still on very bottom of baseball) and the team still pockets $100 million plus in profits.. I used to spend thousands going to game with wife. I spend $0 now and have not came in three years. I barely can watch half a game on tv with the crap they run out there. When Berts done broadcasting Im done watching. Cant stand to hear Laudner / Torri or Latroy mumble thru a game.
Z-A 2
I mean, not many teams are worth driving 2 hrs each way anyway. I don’t even go to Phillies games and its 45 mins (no traffic if that ever happens) bc they didnt lower the prices enough during this tank. I could get 4th row RF or CF seats lower level for $35/ticket when they were good for a game I actually wanted to see. That’s on the secondary market and not the day of the game. Like months in advance. Same ticket is $50 per for the Red Sox game. $70 vs $100. I can get it cheaper, but I have to buy tickets for an additonal two games I dont want to see. I used to go to at least 1 game per month or one weekend series per month for maybe a 5 or 6 yr stretch.
Game looks good on the TV and I can get a 6 pack for the cost of 1 beer at the ballpark. But the Ironpigs were a better squad than the MLB talent. This past year was more fluke, they fell apart in the latter half.
So I feel your pain brother.
nentwigs
Carl Pohlad and now his children are businessmen, not sports fans. Carl made his bucks in: mass transit, banking and bottling soft drinks. If the Pohlads wanted to win and all it took was money to do just that, their war chest could be opened and team payroll could go right up to the MLB tax limit. If the payroll is under 100MM, that leaves room for adding: Harper, Machado and Kuechel while still remaining under the tax threshold. They didn’t do it when they had Mauer in his prime and they won’t do it now.. It’s all about the almighty buck and as long as season ticket holders keep reupping and fans keep the turnstiles turning, management and ownership will remain satisfied with mediocrity as they count their money all the way to the bank.
buckeye46
Double speak like this from Falvine is what pisses Twins fans off the most. They want an owner who’s not afraid to spend a little money. The whole premise of building Target Field was that the team would spend money in return for their ginormous tax break so what have they done … blew $184 million on a one dimensional hitter, blew some on guys like Ricky Nolasco and Phil Hughes. The team can’t count on the allure of the stadium to draw fans in anymore as beautiful as it is … they have to bring in better than decent players and once again it seems that Jim Pohlad’s puppet boys are blowing a golden opportunity.
coldbeer
Aka…too many important players regressed in 2018 and ownership has cut us off from spending more money until they turn it around and we go back to winning. Buxton, Sano, Kepler…looking at you.
twinsfan368
Think about this lineup if the Twins were willing to spend for Machado
1. Jorge Polanco- SS
2. Eddie Rosario- LF
3. Manny Machado- 3B
4. Nelson Cruz- DH
5. Miguel Sano- 1B
6. Jonathan Schoop- 2B
7. Max Kepler- RF
8. Castro, Garv, or Willians- C
9. Byron Buxton- CF
Then you would have to major power bats of the bench for good scenarios or resting starters
As a twins fan I need to trust that falvey and Levine are going to be willing to spend. The window is NOW!!! Go sign Machado or Keuchel or even Kimbrel. Just please make a move to get Minnesota on the map. That move has got to be made eventually and that can make Minnesota a good place to play baseball.
Moneyballer
Is this lineup “that” much better with Machado over Cron? Doesn’t seem worth the money.
twins33
Yes. Machado has averaged 4.6 WAR the last three years. In Cron’s two best years he’s only reached 2 WAR. So he’d have to greatly improve on last year to be on Machado’s level.
(Used b-ref WAR).
TwinsTapir
The question is not so much “Is Machado better than Cron” as it’s “Is the difference between 72 wins and 75 worth a huge contract?”
Some people seem to be projecting this as otherwise an OK team, and if that’s true signing Machado would make some sense. But I don’t see that at all.
twins33
May have to shorten my comment as previous one went to approval status.
That’s probably the difference between you and I. If you think this is a 72 win team than you think they are a worse team than they were last year. Nearly everything that could go wrong did go wrong last year and they still won 78.
So I don’t agree with that. You may end up being correct, but right now I hope you’re not. I think it’s a low 80s win team right now. So adding Machado could push that to upper 80s and who knows what it could push it to in 2020 and beyond because it’s not just about one year. Upper 80s may win the division and will at least get you into the wildcard conversation.
I hope to not be a one series and done team again, but I will take it over no playoffs at all. So for 2019 just getting there will be good enough and Machado would greatly increase that chance.
TwinsTapir
Prospectus’ luck-adjusted standings has the 2018 Twins at 70 wins; I think that’s a lot closer to the level of play we actually saw last year. By that metric they were the second-luckiest team in baseball after the Red Sox.
Now they’ve lost clearly their best 2018 hitter in Escobar, and the only two guys on the team capable of producing above-average OBPs in Mauer and Grossman. They’ve added one very good hitter in his age-39 season, plus a few guys who could optimistically be termed spare parts, and they haven’t improved the pitching staff. I don’t think it would be at all surprising if they were worse in 2019.
twins33
I’ve always heard baseruns is accurate, not sure if that is true, but they say 74 for last year vs their actual 78.
Thinking they’ll be worse means expecting zero production from Buxton and Sano again. I can see not great production, but I don’t see zero production (though it is a possibility).
Escobar is definitely going to be missed, I agree. And Rosario is still a wildcard because he goes through patient streaks and then no patience streaks (2 amazing months, 4 awful ones). Cron is an upgrade from Mauer if he produces like last year. Schoop will hopefully be an upgrade on 2018 Dozier but I don’t know if he’ll be “good.”
Polanco will hopefully be around for the whole season. I’ve always been a fan of his bat.
And if Cruz hits like last year, he’ll far and away be the best player on the team.
So I think Cruz, Polanco and Cron more than make up for Escobar. And then if they get anything from Sano and Buxton.
Pitching, more so the BP, is more of an issue for me. And there were players to be had…
chicagofan1978
Come on Rick and Kenny. The whole al central is laying down for you. Go get Manny and a tor starter and make a few trades and let’s get this going.
Z-A 2
Trade Garver and Buxton for Realmuto.
Have the Cubs pay you to take Jason Heyward off their hands.
Sign Keuchel to shoulder the load.
twinsfan368
Not half bad but no way in any world do I want heyward. He in my opinion is terrible
chicagofan1978
He would fit in great with the rest of your terrible team. And btw he is not terrible, just not worth the money. And I hate the Cubs
Moneyballer
He’s not terrible, he’s just overpaid.
buckeye46
Same contact, same disappointing results as Joe Mauer
Jjbeach
Throw in Castro as well. I’d love to have Realmuto catching and the new face of the franchise (Astudillo) as his backup catcher.
Moneyballer
That’s funny. It will never happen. Jason Castro makes a lot of $ and is one of the better pitch framers in all of baseball.
Jjbeach
Throw in Castro AND pay his salary.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Translation: the Twins have all their eggs in one basket with Sano, Buxton, Polanco, Kepler, and Berrios. And unless they all do better (some much better) there’s really no point in spending the money. We will spend a little here and later there and hope some of this minor league promise pans out. Essentially this team is taking a “year-by-year” approach in which they see how things are going leading up to the trading deadline. If they are competing, they may splurge on a couple rentals. If not, they will trade off impending free agents. They can wax philosophical and get all Zen about baseball being a circle, but that will not serve as a nourishing explanation for most fans.
phantomofdb
Problem is then at the trade deadline they’ll spin some other rhetoric on why they couldnt acquire a big piece.
Rich Hill’s Elbow
Even though it’s frustrating, I actually agree with them. What has this team done to warrant big signings or trade?? Not much…
However, I don’t think the FO is looking for +90 win season in order to spend. I think their expectation level might be lower than we think. Honestly, all I think they’re looking for is for Buxton and Sano to re-establish themselves and for the team to finish with a winning record.
If we happen to replicate what the Rays did last year, I really think the FO might try and sign Arenado next offseason.
twinsfan368
If Sano has a crappy year and the “window is even more wide open” then yes absolutely they’ll try to sign Nolan and get rid of Sano
buckeye46
Exactly what they’re trying to do by hiring Rocco Baldelli … emulate the Rays. Problem is they are relying on Buxton and Sano to suddenly discover the magic formula. Sano should be able to hit .250 to .270 and provide decent pop but to expect Buxton to be any more than just a solid CF is asking way too much. He has Mendoza Line written all over him. Besides, they don’t have the pitching to come close to copying Tampa Bay. Gonsalves, Stewart, and Mejia are nowhere near major league quality pitchers and they don’t have enough guys to rotate between Minnesota and Rochester to even think about it.
Jjbeach
Minneapolis/Twin Cities: 14th-largest market in America.
Cheapest MLB owner.
TwinsVet
14th largest market. Payroll routinely in the middle of the pack. Seems about right to me.
Rich Hill’s Elbow
Idk maybe the Twins will pull what the Phillies have thought about doing to Maikel Franco, despite playing well (sign Machado, trade Franco).
But yeah, if Sano sucks again this year; Arenado in, Sano out.
ohyeadam
Lots of mid market teams have mad win now moves. Twins had an opportunity in the 2000’s with M+M boys and johan, did nothing. Look for this trend to continue and Pohlads to get fatter. Twins will never make a real attempt to win, only fall bass ackwards into a championship if ever. Very frustrating as a fan. I used to attend a few games every year. Now Joe’s last game is my only game in a few years. Go Brewers
czontixhldr
I’ll be a contrarian here (disclosure: not a Twins fan) and state that I get their POV. And that POV contrasts with other posters above.
They obviously don’t think as much of their team, and don’t think the division is as wide open, to invest the money.
Also, I suspect that they have at least had cursory conversations with Lozano and Boras (it would be agent malpractice for those guys to not have at least reached out once to the team), and it seems that the length of contract those guys are seeking is as much a deterrent to the Twins as the rest of MLB, never mind the AAV.
We don’t know the conversations they may have had with other FA’s like Cutch et. al., but they may have made some offers to guys that were not accepted – even if they were the high bidder.
TwinsVet
Not to mention, “division is wide open” is a weak argument. Who’s goal is to win a division only to go 3-and-out in the playoffs?
twins33
It shouldn’t be a goal but I much prefer it to no playoffs at all. If you’d have asked my that in 2010, my answer would have been different because I was tired of the quick playoff exits.
Now id take that any day over the last 7-8 years.
TwinsTapir
At what point are the people in charge of building the team responsible for a team they don’t think much of?
If Buxton, Sano, etc. were overpaid I could see some logic to putting things off and seeing if they could contribute. But those two make $5m between them. Their use of current resources is trivial.
bobtillman
More small market BS. There are NO “windows of opportunity”. There’s only THIS year. Saying there are these mythical “windows” is bizarre on its face. It presupposes that other teams in the division/league are just going to sit on their hands while you’re opening your windows. The Rays have a multitude of talent coming to fruition, probably around 2021. But between now and 2021 do you REALLY think the Sox and Yanks will just stand there?
Gotta love all the admiration the TB FO gets. In fact, they cost themselves an opportunity to get to the playoffs last year by trading away Dickerson, Span and Colome, and getting nothing in return. Dickerson of course was the ultimate nightmare; it actually COST them 6M. Bottom line, they, for the same dollars they spent, they could have had a chance. They made the wrong choices.
Those were choices made on the dollar, nothing more. Pretty much where Minny is right now.
Samuel
You are wrong, but they will not let me respond to you in full.
AA went for it with the Blue Jays. Three seasons later and they’re just getting a foundation down and the payroll efficient.
Col. Taylor
I think the fans should take a similar approach and wait for that perfect window for our wallets to open…
Can we take back Target Field??
Jjbeach
Unfortunately, fan ticket sales really aren’t that important to baseball ownership anymore. Twins’ revenue really has to consider that the organization got a partial ownership in the Fox Sports North TV network.
And… talk of having spent a record amount for salary LAST YEAR doesn’t take into account for inflation, nor for the fact that they shed $10MM of that amount at the trade deadline.
Twins used to claim they spent 51% of revenue on the team salary.
Now they hide a lot of their revenue and still do less than 51% of what they actually admit to having.
martras
81 home games.
39,000 seats
$32.68 average ticket price.
$10.00 low estimate in average concession sales
equals $134,826,120 in revenue.
average attendance in 2018 was down 15,309 per game vs. 2010 costing the team over $53 million in revenue, 70% of which ($37M) is not part of revenue sharing. Post revenue sharing impact is probably more like $45M.
$45M in revenue losses last year is pretty significant. In addition, TV contracts and local advertising contracts take fan interest into consideration. Having a craptastic team is undoubtedly costing the Twins dramatically more than just the $45M in annual revenues lost due to ticket and concession sales.
If the ownership doesn’t care, they’re incompetent business people.
Col. Taylor
Go Brewers
twins33
In a way, I agree, it isn’t smart to pay guys who are over 30 for what they have done. Which is how FA used to be. That was always dumb. People have looked at how well FA’s have performed in the last 10-15 years and most haven’t lived up to their contract.
That being said, there is no good reason why only a handful of teams are in on Harper and Machado. These guys are young and haven’t hit their prime yet. It’s a completely different situation. Harper is probably worth 20 AAV and Machado closer to 30. These are impact players who usually aren’t available at this young age. They’d move the needle for any team. Twins should be in on both no matter when their window is. If the team doesn’t make the playoffs in 2019, it’s not like those players will be gone after the one year unless their are opt outs that quickly. The Twins seem to be against opt outs anyway which is probably a big negative against them over other teams. Still, at least make a good offer.
The Perez offer makes no sense to me at all. He’s been average at best and doesn’t move the needle in any way. I’d rather give the young pitchers a shot. Even though it’s only a cheap dollar amount it seems to be a waste.
TheRoadDogg
I disagree on Harper moving the needle. He is a great player, nothing personal, but he was on some great Nat’s teams that simply didnt have the killer instinct needed to survive the playoffs. Not all his fault of course, but I am not paying 20+ for somebody who hasn’t moved the competitive needle yet, no matter if I’m a small,mid or big market.
twins33
Definitely will have to disagree on that one. 2015 to 2018 Harper offensively is better than any Twin. Even just looking at individual years, he’s better than every Twin, even Dozier.
That moves the needle a lot if he can keep it up. He’s entering his prime, so there’s no reason to believe that he can’t. Not saying nothing bad will happen (healthy but not hitting), just feel like it’s less risky than most players due to his age and the fact that he gets on base so much which every great player in MLB can do.
To me, saying don’t add Harper is like saying don’t add someone better than Berrios. Both those things should be done and should improve the team. It definitely would improve the depth too.
martras
Harper is something you build around. He’s a core part of a franchise you can count on for production year in and year out. No player wins games, especially playoff games, on their own.
Every competitive MLB team needs a core. 4+ players the team can count on for 3+ wins per year, every year including at least a couple All Star level guys who are capable of delivering consistent 4+ win seasons. Right now, the Twins have 2 core players and zero All Stars after trading away Escobar and Dozier.
The 2019 Twins are not nearly as good as the 2018 Twins were on paper.
someoldguy
Make sure you wait for that Sure thing , you know the one that NEVER comes along in baseball. As a Lifelong twins fan I can truly say its all bullcarp. They have no clue about baseball. Baseball is a fluid game. They already bailed out on 2 teams that had playoff potential because the time wasn’t right in their minds. It of course is nonsense. If you can’t see your team clearer than that you don’t belong at the helm.
Samuel
I keep writing it…….
The Twins have been in a rebuild since Falvey and Levine were hired. The last rebuild failed. THAT’S why those 2 were brought in. They got rid of bad contracts and are building a farm system. Everything Falvey and Levine said makes sense if one accepts that premise.
If somehow they get past the Indians in 2019, they will be swept out of the 1st playoff series. Even if they sign Harper, Machado, and Keuchel they are not going to get past the Yankees, Astros or Red Sox.
The Twins have one quality starting pitcher….which is more then can be said for their bullpen.
nentwigs
Went out to the hen house
Asked the chicks, “What is the problem with the Twins?”
They answered in unison
“CHEAP – CHEAP – CHEAP – CHEAP – CHEAP – CHEAP – CHEAP – CHEAP – CHEAP “
klarmore11
Geez. The idea of brevity is lost on this writer. 700+ words based on a few sentences of GM speak. TL;DR a small market GM said something cagey. Big deal. MLBTR has gotten really opinionated.