The latest from the trade market…
- Giants third baseman Evan Longoria lamented the slow-moving free-agent process in an Instagram post Friday, criticizing the advent of new metrics which he believes devalue players. Regardless of whether you agree with Longoria’s stance, one doesn’t need analytics to figure out he disappointed in 2018, his first year with the Giants, as the former Rays superstar slashed a mere .244/.281/.413 in 512 plate appearances. On the heels of that subpar showing, San Francisco’s “gauging” interest in Longoria on the trade front, Jon Heyman of Fancred reports. Although, as Heyman points out, moving Longoria would be a significant challenge for the Giants. Not only is he a 33-year-old coming off a career-worst season, but Longoria has another $72.5MM left on the extension he signed as a Ray in 2012, and his contract also includes a $2MM assignment bonus in the seemingly improbable event the Giants trade him.
- The Reds are reportedly close to acquiring Yankees right-hander Sonny Gray, but he had been on the Giants’ “radar,” Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle tweets. For the most part, though, president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi is seeking controllable hurlers who come with minor league options, per Schulman, and Gray didn’t fit either category. Gray’s only under wraps for another year, though adding him would have meant a return to the Bay Area – where he largely held his own in Oakland from 2013-17 – as well as a reunion with former A’s executive Zaidi.
- In a juicier Yankees-related note, GM Brian Cashman has held internal discussions regarding a potential
They need to get Arenado or Machado like if they don’t Steinbrenner is a joke
If they don’t, George is rolling over in is grave. Staying under the tax. What a joke. 90% of winning is buying.
ik GOD thank you we could literally own the Yankees common sense
Pretty sure they’re already over the luxury tax threshold.
90% is winning is buying? The last 3/4 WS winners contradict your narrative. Literally hasn’t been a dumber baseball quote since yogi said 90% of baseball is mental the half is
1. You misquote the great Yogi.
2. You don’t get the great Yogi.
1.Ninety percent of the game is half mental.” In his book, Berra took credit for this one. This quotation is also sometimes rendered as: “Baseball is 90 percent mental. The other half is physical.”
Right from google
2. Yes I do and I’m much smarter than you.
Ok, so you corrected the quote because that’s not what you typed in your original post. Go back and read your mischaracterization of Yogi.
About being smarter, you very well may be smarter than me. But, I’m not hero to convince anyone of my mental acumen. I don’t have to. So, yes, yes: On line you can be anything you want.
But listen, since you are so smart, what did Yogi mean by that? Because if you understood Yogi, you wouldn’t think it was a dumb quote…
I actually knew Yogi Berra . I had the opportunity to visit with Yogi along with Phil Rizzuto for hours a number of times 3 happy Italians chatting.
One time when Yogi walked away for a bit Phi advised me you know a lot of people think Yogi isn’t so smart you know that’s not true at all… He told me Yogi was loaded.
Phil also talked about a lot of the Yankees back in the day all went in to buying up a pretty large track of Florida property real estate. Eventually a seller was found but had to negotiate with each Yankee in a partnership about how much of the land they owned.
Well one by one they all sold out except Yogi stubborn he wouldn’t sell and his land owned was square in the middle of the whole tract of land.
Lawyers and ongoing negotiation on going Yogi held firm finally accepting an offer many more times then any Yankee got the buyer finally got his property. Who was this buyer of land…Walt Disney were Disney World now sits in Orlando
Never underestimate Yogi ,.lol ,,he really was smarter then the average bear (berra)
Thats one of the xoolest stories ive heard in a good long while. Id buy you a beer if youre ever in San Diego. Love listening to old baseball stories of the players who ACTUALLY knew the gane and were ACTUALLY getting screwed by the owners.
Thabk you for your story brother
Thanks Yankee brother I would love to take you up on that beer in SD
I have a securities attorney who lives in San Diego one of the nicest guys I knew loved talk baseball all of our business meetings a real walking baseball encyclopedia but loved the Red Sox. I have been to SD a few times absolutely gorgeous part of the country .love La Jolla beach area among other parts there…you have the nicest zoo and sea world in the world …floral is beautiful
..Have many many meet the Yankees stories not at the stadium many folks who are online of course accused me of making it up but they are 100 % true …could care less if they believe them or not no need to impress anyone
If true, great story
Your description of San Diego only builds your credit with me. I didnt grow up here but ill never leave. Please share all the stories you have with anyone wholl listen.
I assure you it is…those guys could be quite approachable and engaging provided they have the time in the day, and not bum rushed or autographed hound to death. Very willing to talk all day of course it didn’t hurt at the time if you were Italian each of them will be sorely missed really nice guys
Thank you really liked my securities business attorney even though he was an avid Red Sox fan we had quite civil debates no insults or anything like that.
Nothing is not to like there except the $$$ wow ..also remember staying in that hotel circle area with some family was an ex pd so had a gun on me not legally because not supposed to carry in Calf. in two days ran into a guy who kidnapped a baby …we saved the baby tackled the suspect to the Chips looking officers showed up..wanted to know if I had a gun said oh no I don’t ..no it’s ok if you do…the next night a family trouble guy throwing his wife into the walls our pictures falling off the wall police called …had to get out of that area….and 8.95 for a peanut butter jelly sandwich and that was some years ago …after that was there for business purposes and no drama lol
Awesome. I imagine that must’ve been a super neat experience. Thanks for sharing. I envy you in a good way. There are only but a handful of baseball players I would have really, really liked to sit down and chat with. Yogi would have been one of them.
You were kind enough you deserve one more …so my brother is an avid Yankees fan like me we were staying in downtown Detroit at the Pontchartrain a majestic hotel but the Yankees stay now in suburbs Southfield area when in town used to be the Ritz I think at least last time was in the area.
Anyway back in the day some of the Yankees liked to go play the ponies in this case Hazel Park. Now they go to the casinos downtown Detroit I would guess to pass the time of day if they have the time they get to the ball parks a lot earlier then some people think or night time after the game if they are into gambling. Lots of time they will just go to the hotel bar.
In any event my brother for whatever reason loaned Phil Rizzutto his car to run out to the track…along with Stan Williams Yogi and Lou Pinella of all people. I guess he thought they wouldn’t steal it or wreck the car
Later on they came back Rizzutto handed my brother the keys said we filled it up but man ole man whatever you do don’t hawk Pinella for any autographs he lost his Axx at the track. We didn’t hawk autographs because it kind of turns the players off as your a fan and not just staying at the hotel for business or whatever.
So Pinella stammers into the front lobby with a skull embedded in his face. Lou being a hot head at times you gave the guy his distance. There were two heavy chevy gals there somehow were US Marshals because they had badges and ID on them in plain clothes but apparently were Yankee groupies…many girls not heavy chevy show up at the hotel lounges for action but the Yankees don’t play that game (another story another day)
Well the 2 gals yelled for Lou in the lobby hey Lou how about an autograph. Lou kept walking not right now sweetie….One of the 2 chubbier of the two yelled out Lou you bum
Lou froze in his tracks turned around and screaming at the top of his voice asked why he owes her an autograph …she yelled back because I pay your f….g salary Lou without a stride said well do me a favor fatty don’t pay it then stammered off….the entire huge luxurious lobby was frozen with their mouths hanging open..while tubbies just kind of melted away
It was a hilarious scene..you could had heard a pin drop in the place before normalcy was restored giving you that feeling of just wanting to melt in your lobby seat or couch that Pinnella didn’t look your way…lol
For sure he was as was Phil Rizzuto very engaging kind and entertaining
Boy, I hope you don’t spend Mom and Dad’s money on your bar mitzvah like you want the Yankees to spend money on free agents.
What? They are currently over the tax with the last signing. Why do you think spending money means winning?
Because when Mr Steinbrenner passed away Brian Cashman started making his so called smart moves. The result is zero titles. We can’t even win the damn division. If this keeps up and we fail again ( I believe we could easily finish third in the division) this season, it will be the first decade since the CBS years that the Yankees have not won a title. The last time they won was 2009. That off season they spent 400 million.
Boston got swept by Houston in 2017. They spent big in the following off season and dominated.
Great players cost money. The Yankees have the largest revenue in the game and therefore could sign both Machado and Harper without financial pain. They lied to the fans last year telling us they’d be all in this year because of Harper and Machado. Instead the splash is Lamaywho, This lineup is filled with question marks. Things could go terribly wrong. Harper and Machado are sure things and are even younger than Judge. A smart team that is flush with cash makes these moves. A dumb one hopes that Gardner, Sanchez, Bird, Voit, and Severino will produce. As I’ve been told in my Sixty years…Hope is not a strategy!
Am I forgetting something, they did not win a World Series in the 1980s.. Lost to the Dodgers in their only appearance….
I think Thats what hes saying. No title in the 80s and no title in the ’10s
We’ll see if you’ll be singing same tune, if Harper signs
Longoria has a point. If he is worth $72M, even CC Sabathia may be worth $300M. Collect your paycheck and shut your pie hole, Evan.
Shut up. If an idiot like you gets an opinion then so does he
Yes, Longoria should look no further than the absurdity of his own deal and subsequent underperformance for a reason why there’s a nice little market correction taking place.
It’s funny how one sided these athletes see this. He’s appealing to the fans saying we should want the best product on the field but completely ignoring that we have to watch those last few years of those contracts when the team can’t cut you because you make too much and they can’t afford other big contracts because… you make too much. If it was about the fans everything would be non guaranteed or a club option.
There’s probably some truth to what Longoria stated, but it goes both ways. Some players are signed because of advanced metrics that suggest they have excellent spin rates, exit velocities, etc., that can translate into production, despite poor surface numbers.
And of course, there’s a number of unmovable, restrictive contracts, including his own, that are giving teams pause for though. Can’t blame a team for showing reservations over tens, or even hundreds, of millions of dollars.
Nobody is being signed “because of” advanced metrics. Longos whine seems to be that numbers that should have been devalued a long time ago(rbi, wins etc) are finally being devalued now. Fairly certain though that nobody will be or has been given a contract because of a spin rate/exit velocity that wouldn’t have had a contract anyway.
Charlie Morton’s signing in Houston was exactly because of their understanding of his improved pitches.
I realize the following is if I just smoked a crack pipe but all us meant is as a framework, not an actual, full proposal:
Longoria, Baumgartner and Watson to Boston for Porcello, the Panda contract and Nunez. Longoria’s years are a huge albatross and Tampa was fortunate to have gotten out from under it. Not even sure if Boston is getting enough to take that back.
You should totaly go read the istagram post. This article misinterprets the tone Longoria is using, and the message hes trying to sell. Rather he meant it the way that everyone took it or hes just not a very proficient writer, he does sound a bit whiney.
One of my personal fave responses to the post was-
“Yeah, coming from a guy whose made $71 million in his career while batting .268. Life saving Drs. Dont make that much in their career.”
Great deal for the Giants but I don’t see what it does for Boston. At this point Longoria is worth less than Nunez and Porcello and Bumgarner are about a wash except for the money. Boston saves some money this season but puts themselves on the hook for Longoria for an additional three years.
I think Longoria would hit again in Boston in that lineup and can still play third. Devers is a fine hitter already but cannot play third at this point. As I said, it might not be enough. Maybe they take Castillo (not money against the Sox tax base but still substantial dollars) and give an additional minor leaguers or two.
Harper will sign the Phillies.
It’s an analytically run game now, and the analytics prove long term, high AAV contracts do not pay off.
They can definitely pay off. You just get a ton of value at the front end of most long term contracts. Longoria’s first contract was an absolute bargain. Teams should front load long term deals if they want $/WAR to correspond better year to year.
You front load the deal and you have less payroll space to build the rest of the team, meaning you can’t maximize what’s likely the peak value of the contract
I still think the problem isn’t that teams are unwilling to pay high AAV, which isn’t a bad investment, it’s that they don’t want to pay high AAV in years 6+ of the deal anymore
Frontloading will require a CBA change with modifications removing tax penalties for a few years. As contracts expire, things work their way out.
That would be amazing
Arenado would look great manning third in 2020 to open the Rangers new park.
Maybe for the away team.
I want it sooooo bad. Im willing to offer my wife and one of the hounds. Possibly one of the kids. Great workers listen well. Hound is kid friendly, but dont try to touch the wifes food bowl while shes eating.
Read that as ” Juicer Yankee.” Expected to read Clemens made the hall.
LOL
Clemens will wear the Redsox hat if he makes it.
Blue Jays 🙂
Won’t matter
Probably. The plaque will also read he won several World Series rings with Boston.
I really do not understand why the Reds have traded 4 guys in their top 30 prospects 3 of them in their top 10! – for 3 middle rotation guys and two outfielders with no control beyond this season. In a year where the Cubs are still good, and the Brewers and Cardinals have only gotten stronger.
Why? Because their rotation was gut-wrenchingingly terrible last year, and needed improving. It was trade for pitching or go sign Keuchel, Morton, and Happ for $50-$60 million per year total, which is both risky and out of budget. The prospects they gave up were also not sure-fire big leaguers. Shed Long, the presumed piece in the Gray deal, for instance, can’t play defense and is blocked by 2 or 3 other players in their system. The Reds were also able to unload the Homer Bailey contract. All of these players with one year left can leave, sure, but they can also be traded at the deadline if things don’t work out or extended qualifying offers after the season for draft compensation. I also think it’s worth pointing out that many of the criticisms facing the Reds this off-season were faced by the Brewers last off-season and the Brewers won the division.
The Brewers got Yelich though….but I see your point. just don’t put the Brewers in their and this reply is a good one.
On this date last year neither Yelich nor Cain were Brewers. Still a lot of dominos to fall!
Puig has the potential to be just as good as yelich
Puig is hot garbage.
Comment=snot bubble. Nice
Dude shut up you sound like an analytical nerd
Dude, shut up. You sound like an analytical nerd.
You just sound uneducated about the game as opposed to him sounding like a nerd. Analytics have and will continue to take over the game, so you might as well come to terms with that and learn from the awesome new wave of information.
And there’s something wrong with that?
^haha love this comment! Power to the Analytics Nerds!!! Live long and prosper! :-p (Haha sorry I don’t know what that actually means – but it’s some sort of Star-Trek nerd thing right — hopefully it fits in well enough here :-p — I am indeed an analytics nerd but I suppose Star Trek is slightly out of my wheel house!
Brewers won the division because they brought in Yelich. Anyone who’s watched him come up suspected this day was coming eventually. There’s no 25-26 year old Christian Yelich they just picked up to help carry them to the promise land.
I’m not saying it was all the Yelich deal, but the Reds are missing that Yelich level addition. Which addition of theirs is coming into their prime and potentially winning the MVP?
I’m not trying to be overly critical of the Reds here, but I think they are making a classic Mets-style mistake (old Mets, not this off-season). You can’t trade for a few above average regulars and expect to compete with the Nationals who signed Scherzer, extended Strasburg, signed Murphy, etc.
The Reds were and remain more then a few regulars behind most of the rest of the that division. I’d love what they are doing if they went out and go into the Bryce Harper mix as a finale. Then they would make things interesting. But even if they signed Harper by some crazy turn of events, does that even make them the division favorites? Thats a tough question.
You’re right: none of the players they brought in are Christain Yelich. That being said, they didn’t need to trade for such a player because they already have those kinds of players, or at least the makings of in Eugenio Suarez, Jesse Winker, Nick Senzel, and possibly even Scooter Gennett. If you line up the Brewers roster and the Reds roster, the Reds appear considerably better, not only now, but into the future.
I think Reds fans should be optimistic, but you gotta put some respect on the Brewers. And they got Keston Hiura coming soon.
At a minimum, the Reds must look at these MLB veterans as valuable trade chips in July. Maybe they can get better prospects back and look like they are “going for it” in the process.
If the Reds do end up flipping these players at the trade dead line it would kinda remind me of San Diego did a couple years ago
They have to flip them, at least some of them. All of these additions are still not vaulting them over the other three good Central teams, and after next season every one of them are free agents, along with Gennett and two of their best relievers. If they don’t manage to get anything for these guys, then this off-season was a huge waste.
If the Wood, Roark, Gray perform well they get a QO and it’s either another year of control or a draft pick Replacing the players they traded. If not, no Homer Bailey albatross contract. Looks like good risk management from a smaller market club.
Beacause they too would like to be good and relivent again. It took some time, but the reds now have a solid farm system. Any team that can improve and still retain their top end talent should do so. If Long is indeed traded, they still have 2 strong middle infielders that should crack the top 10 prospects by 2020. No one knows how this will play out, but I’m sure the majority of reds fans are much more upbeat and optimistic than in years past.
Only will have traded 2 guys in their top 10. Both of them were second basemen, a position that they had a huge logjam at. The starting pitching has been abysmal the last few years. The lineup is stacked and the BP is very good. These moves serve as a bridge to their up and coming talent that is a year or two away.
As stacked as the Yankees are, I don’t think they NEED anybody. Andujar has defensive issues, certainly, but he’s making the league minimum, and has time to improve. The only area they really could add to is starting pitching. It would be nice to see another premium arm in the rotation, but even that’s not pressing with the five-headed bullpen monster they’ve assembled.
1B. Who really trusts the Voit/Bird combo?
They have Lemahieu and Tulowitski as backup in case those guys can’t perform.
Lol, no. LeMahieu has a whopping 13 innings at first in his MLB career (and none in the last four seasons) and Tulowitzki has never played anything but SS in the majors or minor leagues.
Something tells me the amazing defender that Lemahieu is, would be just fine at 1st base, even without those 13inns there , years ago…
Putting LeMahieu at 1st would be severely damaging his value to the team. He’s gotta be at 2nd, where his defensive prowess matters a lot more.
He was signed as a super utility player, though, and there happens to be a dynamic player at 2b in Gleyber Torres already. With the injury to Didi and questions surrounding Tulo, there will be a lot of moving parts this year, but I expect to see Lemahieu all over the diamond this year, including at 1b.
They can survive with an underperforming bat at 1st as long as they can field. Starting pitching is the need.
Someone gets it.
I know that getting the biggest names is the most attractive option but it doesnt even make sense for the Yankees. Somehow a lot of fans cant get around that
They have 5 starters that had at least 28.5-nike WAR last year and that was about 40 pitchers so to have 1/8 on one team is great. They need pitching DEPTH but at this point you roll with what you have. If you simply look at what they actually did, on paper, they probably have the 2nd best staff in the AL this year.
Genes…. Meant 2.5 WAR.
Geeze….meant “geeze”
Yankees fans logic: we need a superstar at every position. Like as a rays fan we put up with the voits and birds every once in a while get over it eventually the yankees will probably end up signing snell, adames, and meadows. Quit complaining
Not all Yankees Fans believe an All-Star at every position is necessary. Personally I’d prefer that they limit all contracts in terms of years in order to be flush with cash for when they’ll need to extend Judge, Sevvy, Kraken, etc. I don’t care one iota what the AAV for anyone is in the interim: the issue is the years.
What the hell have you seen that makes you believe Sanchez and Severino should be paid? Sanchez can’t catch the ball and hit under the Interstate last season. Severino was the worst starter in the league in the second half last season. Didn’t Judge who is already 27 years old set a major league record for most consecutive games with a strikeout in 2017. The crap kills rallies. I would offer Judge 5 years at most and would offer Sanchez and Severino a half a ham sandwich until they improve in a huge way!
Voit/Bird have 3 months to show they can handle 1B. If not, either one of their INF moves to 1B to make room for Didi or the Yankees can call the Blue Jays for Justin Smoak.
So where do you plan on sticking both on a 3 man bench of already LaMahieu Romine either Frazier/Gardner ?
Voit/Bird will be decided in spring it’s Voit’s job to lose. it would not be wise to put a 1B only defense player on a 3 man bench reserves now would it? Of course unless you plan to have Bird play some other infield outfield positions.
With or without performance at first the Yankees will still probably break the season record for hrs that they set last year with better performances from Sanchez and Judge who were injured so why does the output of Voit/Bird really matter
These analytics nerds who cut down Andujar do not show jack sxxt about baseball other derive their info from Play Station
Analytics do not explain ones heart and soul. You can see it in Andujar’s eyes. He doesn’t want to be a good third baseman he wants to be the greatest third baseman that is a direct quote from his 3rd base instruction coach and works way harder then any other Yankee on the team to achieve it..
For me that means yards compared to some analytics bull crap. That you can not measure what makes the man…he is going to succeed I guarantee you he will can’t say he will be the best certainly a nice goal but I will bet you a huge difference through time …bet the houses money I am right just like Yankees made a mistake trading Murcer for Barry Bonds…Bonds the better analytics turned out a huge mistake
Zaidhi needs to do everything he can to get rid of Longo. Worst acquisition in recent memory. Bring back Duffy please.
Longoria for Strasburg. Nats get rid of an awful contract that runs till 2030. Giants get a pitcher. Win win
Strasburg becomes a FA 2024. Where did you get the 2030 date from? He is hardly a horrible pitcher.
im pretty sure he was being sarcastic. 2024 is a long ways away. he could have said something like “strasburg is signed for the next 20 years” to make the joke a little more obvious i guess.
but yes, please get rid of longoria. after that instagram post, i dont care if the giants get nothing in return for him and have to eat part of the contract
No he actually gets payed until 2030. They Bobby Bonilla’d the contract.
They Bonilla’d the Scherzer deal, too. That’s their thing. They probably tried to Bonilla the Harper offer as well.
Trade a very good #2 starter for Evan Longoria. Say it out loud and maybe you will see how ridiculous it sounds
Yeah I’d say the Nationals get the upper hand on this deal. They’d save $55M which is extreme for them, could let them get Harper. Strasburg was worth around 0.6 more wins than Longoria last year, however the Nationals would be losing their #3 starter (if he’s even healthy to be their #3 starter) in exchange for $55M and a bench bat. Not to mention that starting pitching is the nationals greatest strength, so theoretically the loss of Strasburg would barely effect the team considering they have many people who can pitch to a 3.74 ERA (as Strasburg did in 2018)
If the Nats really wanted to they could easily get the Yankees, Reds, Padres and probably more teams to take on most of if not all Strasburgs money. This idea he has negative value is nuts. His CPT AAV number is 25 million which is reasonable and thats all that matters. Strasburg is a top of the rotation arm not a declining bench bat…
Do I need to answer a question to cross your bridge, oh wise and terrible troll?
What is the air speed velocity of an unlaiden swallow?
Is it an African or European swallow?
…wait I don’t know that waaaahhhhh!!!!
A five ounce bird cannot carry a one pound coconut. And African swallows aren’t migratory.
…swallowing is a good thing…..
So Rendon just ceases to exist?
MLB teams should have a clause that allows them to fire players if they don’t live up to a certain standard – just like regular people do at regular jobs. Longoria and Hosmer are 2 examples of players who got big contracts and then proceeded to suck. Yet, Longoria can go on and proclaim that these players “deserve” to get paid ridiculous amounts of money. What a joke!
The funny thing is, I think everyone knew the Hosmer deal was a clunker the minute he signed it.
A lot of people thought that. Seriously though, everyone else gets fired if they don’t do their job properly and most if us aren’t making $10 million per year.
Yes we need to make sure those owners keep their money!!! 12 yachts isn’t enough
Other than a maid and a gardener for their million dollar homes, how many people do players employ? Owners provide hundreds of jobs, not just to players. They renovate stadiums, promote charity in their communities, and have about a 1000 times more responsibility and stress than a player will ever have. I know you millennial socialists don’t understand this, but rich people are essential to a capitalist economy. As long as they pay their taxes and follow the regulations they can have as many boats as they want!
Thank God the oppressed Uber wealthy finally have had their tragic struggle revealed to to the masses.
Did ya just finish up with ‘Atlas Shrugged’ there megaj?
Someone has to build those Yachts! and those are JOBS, stupid. Socialist.
H&t. Thank you
I think Hosmer knew it too. I guess we’ll really see though bc they are really paying him to deliver when the young guys come up. We should see Fernando Tatis Jr, Buddy Reed, Francisco Mejia, Josh Naylor, and possibly more going bats inserted into their lineup. I think the Padres have their eye on really contending starting in 2020. Lots of young arms coming up too w Logan Allen, Chris Paddack, Anderson Espinoza, Cal Quantrill, Jacob Nix, Buddy Kennedy, Joey Lucchesi, and Adrian Morejon (not all that likely) candidates to contribute this year.
Everyone knew Hosmer was not worth that the moment he signed. Except the Padres.
Players are signing entertainment contracts, not employement.
It’s ridiculous. Nobody who gets paid that much money should be allowed to suck. It’s one thing to slightly underperform for one year. It’s another thing to flat out suck but be protected by a contract or length of a contract.
no teams making that much money should be allowed to suck so much! especially when they are monopoly protected!
i bet you are a real joy at parties.
What makes you think he gets invited to parties?
How did we get to the point where we call average MLB players garbage? They can’t all be above average…! Or is that just a nerdy analytical stat?
Yeah but at a regular job if in your first or second year if you are wonderful at your job you can get a huge raise or get more money elsewhere. Not so in the major leagues. Derek Jeter for example his first 3 years he hit 314 291 and 324 he had a 370 obp or better every year. He scored more than 100 runs even reaching 127 runs in those 3 years.In none of those years did he make more than 750,000 dollars.Why is that fair but when players with good contracts don’t produce they should get punished
I wouldn’t necessarily argue that Machado is the better player… only .7 WAR more with 400 more ABs. Plus Arenado has 6 Gold gloves and 4 silver sluggers. Yeah at Coors but still. If anything they are as equivalent as can be
Arenado also hasn’t publicly said he doesn’t hustle. I think Machados comments r killing his market.
Arenado is a .263 hitter away from Coors with 33% less power and a higher k ratio. His ops is 140 points lower on the road! If he ends up in NY, he’ll have even less power. I suggest the Yankees look at Machado.
Have you been to a game in Yankee Stadium? Have you seen the porch in RF? Or Fenway and the porch in LF? Or Camden Yard and the porch in RF. The AL East is full of parks that Arenado would kill the ball in instead of playing half his road games in the NL West and parks like AT&T, Petco, and Dodger Stadium that rob all players of power.
I would prefer Machado because it would involve no prospects headed out the door and knowing he would be in pinstripes for years. Arenado is a FA at the end of the season.
2 Hrs 62 ABs, or 20.9 per 650 ABs in AL East stadiums. It is a thing tho, I wouldn’t do the deal just bc of his age/contract vs Andujar. You can work on defense, you cant work on getting younger.
What are you talking about? Arenado is ONE YEAR older than Macadho. Big deal!
Yah, that’s WAY too much extrapolation. Doesn’t really hold any value.
Only thing you’ve got to go off of if you want to argue hell have a field day in the AL East. His Split per 650 AB is 41 at Coors, 30 Away, and 20 in the AL East.
It honestly is a big deal. When Arenado starts getting paid on a contract extension he will be 29 (April 16). If you made the trade you are only getting Age 28 at a discounted rate due to Arb.
With Machado his contract starts at age 27 (July 7). You get an extra year of prime production. In a 7-10 yr contract that matters.
In the post steroid era, power numbers have decreased past Age 32. You’re going after Arenado and Machado bc of the power numbers at a premium position.
Again… I would rather go with Andujar if I am the Yankees. Who will be 24 this year.
American League , better war , younger.
With all due respect, Longo needs to keep his trap shut and worry about himself. So far he’s been a horrible acquisition and has not lived up to anything close to the money the Giants organization is paying him. How about you give up some of your money Longo so the team can actually afford players that might actually earn their pay to make this team better!!
Ill never understand why fans get mad that rich owners overspend some money on less rich players instead of keeping it for themselves.
well because us fans realize our team will probably only spend big money on 3-6 players out of the 25 man roster at any given time. so if that money isnt spent wisely aka longoria, cueto and samardjiza then not only does your team suck but it also means you will probably be out of the running for the next couple years big name free agents.
They chose to spend on longo when they traded for a clearly declining version of him. If giants fans gonna be upset about his contract, be mad at managment, not the player himself
The Giants took a DUMB trading for him and they lost. EVERYONE but the Giants knew it was time to rebuild but they made stupid trades and now they’re stuck. Longoria was on a decline before the Giants stupidly acquired him and his underperforming is expected. So stop complaining and get use to 70 win seasons for a while.
stop complaining? thats part of being a sports fan. sheesh. we as fans should be allowed to vent our frustrations on a baseball message board
As a Tigers fan, I agree: Complaining on baseball message boards is allowed.
Haha right there with yah Saint
I’m pretty sure the Giants knew it was rebuild time..however they had already extended Crawford belt and they have poseysand cuetos contract…anyone who says the players above are trash hasn’t watched the Giants…I think this is a matter of the front office change coming a season too late however I understand if I’m Bobby Evans the idea of bringing in mccutchen and Longoria, did it work no.. but I understood the premise..I don’t blame Bobby his back was against the wall big fail here is not replacing the GM a season before.
Giants management worries to much about attendance instead of winning is why they make bad trades. Of course Longoria was available its because Tampa knew it was a bad contract. Giants thought it was a bounce back candidate. Instead they got more bad year out of him. Giants need to trust their fan base and do a strong rebuild instead of worrying about attendance and bringing in has beens to be a .500 team.
You don’t think the Giants could afford more players, while paying Longoria his money?
Of course they can, but it would just be adding more bandages to a head wound that will not stop bleeding. It might help a bit, but in the end, you’re just wasting bandages. I think after last year they realized they had to finally accept that window is closed and build for the next window.
Implement a salary minimum and a salary cap and give the minor leaguers a living wage instead of paying non-johnny hustle guys $300 million. Ridiculous!
Do all of the above. And along with it 100% revenue sharing.
Socialist thought at work.. Day that happens is day the country really divides. Peacefully, or otherwise.
Some people just don’t get it that most out of cities understand socialist ideals are sure way to death and part of the country will not go along, regardless.
Medicaid and Social Security don’t SEEM like a “sure way to death”, but, okay, sure, enlighten us johnsilver.
In case you need any help, megaj will lend you his copy of ‘Atlas Shrugged.’
Social security is a joke. I have no idea why people are okay with it.
LOL Being you feel that way about it would you mind turning your pending SS over to me …I promise I wont laugh plus tip my hat to you for being so generous
Over 40% of my practice is Medicaid. It cost more to provide for their care than Medicaid pays us to see them. Medicaid survives purely on the benevolent shoulders of physicians who increasingly are being reimbursed at AAA levels. I still love what I do but PLEASE don’t refer to Medicaid as being a good thing.
So Sweden is on it’s way to death? It sure seems to be taking them a long time to get there.
“…PLEASE don’t refer to Medicaid as being a good thing.”
Medicaid is only available to those of very low income. Yeah it’s too bad doctors aren’t making enough money and have to treat poor people.
That’s my point on why it is a joke. It is my money I’ve put in there. After I die, assuming my kids are over 18, that money is gone to the government. That isn’t there money. That money should keep going to the next of kin. It should be an option. If you don’t save up for retirement it isn’t my fault. SS is straight up theft. At least taxes do something for you.
So let me understand this.In an age where there is a huge divide between what the rich are earning and the rest of the population is earning and most people as a result are living from pay check to pay check it is social security in your mind that is a joke.I hope you have a nice life.
America is built on socialism. Drive on road. Socialism Police, fire, military, coast guard, national parks and ect… socialism policies. Capitalist policies health care, energy, cable TV, internet, and ect.. those are pure capitalist policies.
Not my business what anyone else makes. My business is the government takes my money for my “retirement,” yet I might not ever see it, nor anyone in my family. It is a farce.
No make it zero revenue sharing so owners cant just pocket the money. Make them have to invest in their product. The problem isn’t the ones who make money. The problem is the teams who refuse to invest in winning. Do away with revenue sharing completely and then those teams know they either need to win or fold.
The owner’s got rid of the old family owned dynasties when FA was in it’s early days.. Think of the griffith family for example who were classic cheap.
Salaries, even with FA were of course much less 30-40y ago, then so were ticket prices and there was none of this massive intake of team owned network money, other than the pittance all teams were getting from ABC and NBC back then and when a team was bought/sold? They went for chump-change compared to what they do now.
All that said? Was aiming to 100% agree with you on ceasing payouts (welfare) to teams that refuse to spend anything on salaries and in the case of the worst offenders (TB, Oakland), never do, nor have.
In a business, if it cannot stand on it’s own 2 feet.. It folds and should be the same in this one.. no different. There is a glut if anything.
some owner(s) wants to take 1 of those (or another) which cannot support itself elsewhere? That’s fine, but they do it on their own. Why fan’s (some) of sports teams think this is a charity and others are supposed to prop up dead ones walking is insane and shows why so many local/state governments are in the red with that mentality.
Are you talking about the 90+ win A’s and Rays? I live in the middle of Kansas. I have zero location bias in who I root for. I’m an A’s fan because I find it much more interesting to follow a team that looks for value in undervalued $1-10 million players then throwing around $20-$30 million contracts to a few players and hoping the player lives up to the deal.
Wow did you come up with that all by your self? A CEO in the making !
And still much smarter comment than anything you have ever said. Imagine that.
Dude I took a crap this morning with more insight than you.
I’m already a CEO.
What did you do today?
LOL sure you are. Care to expound and show everyone your true $11 an hour self?
“Took a crap this morning with more insight than you,” and “your true $11 an hour self.”
You sound like a real winner. I would never be-little someone based on how much they make, or how much I thought they made – that’s not how you become a good CEO but I’m guessing you aren’t one based on your attitude and therefore wouldn’t know that.
Good luck ever getting a promotion…
The Minor League teams are not owned by Major League teams. The Minor League teams have a contract with the Major League team to play their prospects. The Major League pays the salaries of their prospects. Most Minor Leaguers are not prospects and their salaries are paid by the Minor League team, The Minor League players that are on the Major League teams 40 man roster get paid the Major League minimum salary 545,000 dollars.
Actually they don’t, minor league players on the 40-man roster make around 40,000-50,000 a year
Some ML owners also own at least some of their MiL teams. The Cardinals, for instance, own 6 of their 9 MiL teams.
You do realize all minor league teams aren’t owned by their parent company, right?
I can say with absolute certainty that if minor leaguers got a “living wage”, a chunk of minor league teams would have to fold because they can’t afford to pay that kind of salary and MLB would have to restructure it.
Longoria fan here… but maybe it’s time for him to reevaluate. 22 walks in 512PA??? That is just really awful.
sabermetrics or not there is only one team winning the world series every year. and in most cases they win by spending. if teams save money by not signing older players they will have to pay more somehow in new cba..
Cash knows Andujar is not the 3B of the future. He is the DH of the future.
Eh, I dont even buy that the Yankees are interested in Arenado. They arent interested in Machado despite every reporter on earth telling you that they are balls deep in getting Machado.
Even without Arenado once Didi comes back where is Andujar playing. I doubt they signed DJ to rarely play him, and Torres is going to play.
Yeah after 7 years of minor and major league work with no real defensive improvement, I doubt Miggy stays long at the hot corner. This coming season might be his last as a third baseman unless he improves his footwork and that horrible DRS stat. The majority of Yankee fans you’ll meet want to keep Andujar as a DH because of his spectacular bat and then sign someone else long term. If not Machado this season, hopefully Arenado the next. Either way, Andujar is not the third baseman of the future
I thnk if he doesn’t improve they try next season to move him to first and move either Torres or DJ to 3rd while resigning Didi. If they sign Machado or Arenado it would mean no reason to sign Didi and I don’t want that.If you sign either 3bman with DJ Torres Andujar and Machado/Arenado no place for Didi unless you trade Torres or DJ and neither of those moves make sense
Hey Willie I thought you were dead dude no matter
You Andujar critics are cut from the same mold. Which one that best describes you the most it’s one or the other there is no in-between which one is you A or B?
A:
You’re either the pencil headed nerd who could pick up a baseball or bat to save your life. You most likely still live at mothers if they can even tolerate your pathetic self. Your who life is Sonny Play Station MLB where you learned your so called skills in baseball analytics . No way you score a girl because any of them could see you are nerds-ville most likely a virgin who hasn’t done anything in their life worth an accomplishment other then sitting at a computer keyboard fantasying you are someone else
or
B
Your’e the fat red headed freckled face step child kid who got spoiled with all the equipment from mommy and daddy. The only reason we even entertained the thought of the likes of your type is to let you play was you had the equipment if we didn’t you cried took your bats balls and equipment and went home. We usually stuck you at catcher to shag the balls only stopped by the back stop fence or so far in right field in hopes the ball would never make it out to you would need a automobile ride to get back to the diamond. Grown up you are so fat you couldn’t bend over to touch your toes let alone anything athletic. You significant other is likely as fat or fatter with a matching big mouth full of cut downs just like you.
Hey PP
You Andujar critics are cut from the same mold. Which one that best describes you the most it’s one or the other there is no in-between which one is you A or B?
A:
You either the pencil headed nerd who could pick up a baseball or bat to save your life. You most likely still live at mothers if they can even tolerate your pathetic self. Your who life is Sonny Play Station MLB where you learned your so called skills in baseball analytics . No way you score a girl because any of them could see you are nerds-ville most likely a virgin who hasn’t done anything in their life worth an accomplishment other then sitting at a computer keyboard fantasying you are someone else
or
B
Your’e the fat red headed freckled face step child kid who got spoiled with all the equipment from mommy and daddy. The only reason we even entertained the thought of the likes of your type is to let you play was you had the equipment if we didn’t you cried took your bats balls and equipment and went home. We usually stuck you at catcher to shag the balls only stopped by the back stop fence or so far in right field in hopes the ball would never make it out to you would need a automobile ride to get back to the diamond. Grown up you are so fat you couldn’t bend over to touch your toes let alone anything athletic. You significant other is likely as fat or fatter with a matching big mouth full of cut downs just like you.
When was the last time you saw a 23 year old DH on a permanent basis? Exactly. Ain’t happening!
speaking of: Your daddy let the best part of you run down the leg dude
You Andujar critics are cut from the same mold. Which one that best describes you the most it’s one or the other there is no in-between which one is you A or B?
A:
You either the pencil headed nerd who could pick up a baseball or bat to save your life. You most likely still live at mothers if they can even tolerate your pathetic self. Your who life is Sonny Play Station MLB where you learned your so called skills in baseball analytics . No way you score a girl because any of them could see you are nerds-ville most likely a virgin who hasn’t done anything in their life worth an accomplishment other then sitting at a computer keyboard fantasying you are someone else
or
B
Your’e the fat red headed freckled face step child kid who got spoiled with all the equipment from mommy and daddy. The only reason we even entertained the thought of the likes of your type is to let you play was you had the equipment if we didn’t you cried took your bats balls and equipment and went home. We usually stuck you at catcher to shag the balls only stopped by the back stop fence or so far in right field in hopes the ball would never make it out to you would need a automobile ride to get back to the diamond. Grown up you are so fat you couldn’t bend over to touch your toes let alone anything athletic. You significant other is likely as fat or fatter with a matching big mouth full of cut downs just like you.
Aren’t Longoria’s comments like a restaurant owner complaining about Yelp?
Is the slow market because of analytics? Or is it because pretty much anyone can see that most big money contracts (like, say, his) end up working out terribly?
Right, his comments are just idiotic. Clearly he sucks these days and not worth what he makes. You’d think he’d just shut up and try not to be noticed. It seems like it would be embarrassing in a way. Embarrassment I’d sign up for as would most, but still embarrassing.
I hate that Longoria uses the “Well it’s not your money, so why should you care?” argument in his post. Of course it’s not my money, but I enjoy watching good baseball, just like a lot of other people, and it’s a lot harder for a team to put good baseball on display when their payroll is being bogged down by a contract the size of what Harp and Mahcado are demanding. It’s especially harder if it’s for a player who can’t fulfill that contract for the length/value their signed for (ie. Albert Pujols, or Eric Hosmer).
Right, and money spent on one turd contract is less to spend on effective players. Obviously most fans know money spent on x means less money for y.
The sheer audacity that a player who isn’t earning anywhere near the contract he’s being paid saying something like that in public is what baffles me. He not only sounds like an idiot – who would feel sorry for a guy who might have make $15 million instead of $20 million to play a kid’s game – but he’s the exact reason why teams are hesitant to pay out. He’s playing a premier position on a team that doesn’t even want him anymore because he isn’t playing .10 cents on the dollar what they are paying him. Take your money, shut your hole, and work harder to earn your millions.
For all those who are going to make the argument that Arenado is just another superstar created by Coors Field, so read the Hardball Times article that came out yesterday about its validity.
Just look at his split stats. It says everything you need to know. .263 hitter away from Coors.
Everyone hits better at home. Have you seen Judge’s home and road splits? Spoiler: they are a whole lot worse than Arenado’s.
Batting average doesn’t matter and even if it does .263 is not that bad
And he’ll lose his arbitration hearing soon too.
I’m not a Yankees fan but some of this talk about adding this guy or that guy sounds exciting and all but they seem stacked offensively to me. I guess you can always be better but with a stacked lineup maybe try to use assets not spent on position players to build a rotation to match. Paxton was a nice pick up but if I had the choice of adding another elite position player and top of the rotation guy I’d go with rotation for the Yankees at least. Their line up seems just scary to me already when healthy of course
It sure makes it seem like Andujar is an afterthought. Actually he kinda seems like that even without these superstars with all the infielders they already added. When Didi comes back I guess Andujar goes to first? I realize he’s a bad fielder…
Longoria is the poster child for why teams aren’t throwing around stupid money at most players the past couple of offseasons. Guy is still owed $72 million and will be lucky to produce as a league average player over the remainder of his contract. Dozens of similar examples like him around the league. Get over it, Evan.
Right, what an idiotic comment from him with how bad he’s been and what he’s getting paid. People don’t want to hear from the likes of him on such matters.
I’d take Arrenado over Machado any day of the week. 2 years age difference is not a great deal and probably means he’d be cheaper. And has to be up there with one of the best all round players in the game.
Longoria is just a bad player these days. Also, probably shouldn’t discuss contracts, with the crap he’s throwing up there on his inflated paycheck.
Someone needs to tell Longoria that teams are trying to avoid paying for the next Longoria.
Touche.
Has any heard of the sophomore slump? If I can get maximum assets for Andujar now before his value takes a hit with a mediocre season at the plate, do so. We all know already his defense is below average and the only thing keeping him in a daily conversations was his offensive season he had. Now what happens if/when he finishes this year with a below average season at the plate and defensively? Strike while the iron is hot! You people make it out like he’s a guarantee
You don’t trade a player because of a “softmore slump”. not to mention softmore slumps don’t even happen 100% of the time
The only thing that is guaranteed in life is paying taxes, death and Mike Trout
ullnvrknw
You Andujar critics are cut from the same mold. Which one that best describes you the most it’s one or the other there is no in-between which one is you A or B?
A:
You’re either the pencil headed nerd who could pick up a baseball or bat to save your life. You most likely still live at mothers if they can even tolerate your pathetic self. Your who life is Sonny Play Station MLB where you learned your so called skills in baseball analytics . No way you score a girl because any of them could see you are nerds-ville most likely a virgin who hasn’t done anything in their life worth an accomplishment other then sitting at a computer keyboard fantasying you are someone else
or
B
Your’e the fat red headed freckled face step child kid who got spoiled with all the equipment from mommy and daddy. The only reason we even entertained the thought of the likes of your type is to let you play was you had the equipment if we didn’t you cried took your bats balls and equipment and went home. We usually stuck you at catcher to shag the balls only stopped by the back stop fence or so far in right field in hopes the ball would never make it out to you would need a automobile ride to get back to the diamond. Grown up you are so fat you couldn’t bend over to touch your toes let alone anything athletic. You significant other is likely as fat or fatter with a matching big mouth full of cut downs just like you.
report back nerd or tubby red head trying to keep a poll on you yahoos
Rj? My left nut has more testosterone than your whole out of shape body. Now back to fortnite little man
LOL fornite figure you now for both the fat little red head who can’t touch his toes plus the nerd…obviously I caught a live fish on the line who knows it’s true and seething to the point of boiling over.
RJ, your the guy that everyone believes is a moronic asswipe…then you open your mouth and confirm it.
I am a 60 year old man. I served my country for 20 years, moved to another good job and then retired early. I damn sure have never been a geek, I have never been fat, my parents weren’t rich, never played catcher, and never took my ball and went home. I also don’t believe that everyone must agree with me. If they do disagree I have never tried to attack them with bullshit like calling them fat, a geek or a wimp. I’ve found that very insecure people quickly try that crap. I think the Yankees best hope of landing the Ace they so badly need would be to sign Machado and then attempt to build a trade package centered around Adujar. I like the kid. He seems like a fine young man, and is a very good hitter. Unfortunately the Yankees don’t believe that he a viable option at third when CC pitches. They sat him in game 4 of the ALDS because they felt his defensive liabilities out weighted is bat.! He’s a good player but we need frontline starters more.
Wave goodbye to Sonny maybe change his diaper one last time speak for yourself…hope you love that crow sandwich munch a bunch
ps I was a veteran and pd too …thanks for your service !
Oh by the way I didn’t call anyone specifically a fat red head or geek only generally those who took it upon themselves to offer personal attacks to me..
.you see they walked right into it on their way of personally attacking me all it did was save me a ton of time as on they got attacked before they could send their attack out so they had it coming …so if the shoe fits then wear it
by the way for a service guy you stepped right on a mine tisk tisk
you see only a few stepped into the box just like you everybody else who it didn’t apply to or were cagey enough not to reply to it never got it directed at them…since you took it upon yourself …you stepped right in the box…
do you get it now?
If I can get arenado and either gray or morales I’m hitting the deal button.
Marquez *
Trading for Longo was not to smart as hindsight tells us. But as teams add math wizards to the payroll we will honestly see less and less of the long term contract being offered. Have you ever noticed that big thick heavy young players last to the ages of 32 to say maybe 35. Ty Cobb, Ted Williams, Stan Musial, along with many others were outfielders and played for 20 plus seasons. Big infielders and catchers do not last near as long. Paying anyone after the age of 35 big bucks is just insane imho. Owners are now seeing the folly in these really bad long term signings. Our game is going through some major changes currently that players will need to learn that they need less control time and Free Agentcy sooner, but even then the big time monies of 30 mil per might be out of reach down the road. Change is good for some, but not all.
a strike may happen. i side with the oweners though…time for thier control vs guys like machado saying I’m worth xyz
Arenado is going to Philly. Next…..
Something reletively new in MLB is this idea that teams should not try and win and that therefore loeing 100 games a season is OK. The new term being bantered about is tanking. With the advent of Cable TV money teams do not have to try and win and pack the park to have positive cash flow and profit. I find this new dynamic fasinating. Take the Mets, their owners get themselves in serious financial mess but they still make money in one of MLB two largest markets without putting out a winner even competeing with the NYY. In the big picture the ratings for TV baseball are declineing, attendance is also going south and streaming is not growing at the antiscapated grow rate and yet some teams are willing to lose. How are the M’s going to make money by trimming down payroll so much fans will stay home? Times are a changing. The real supporters of professional sports are being taken advanaged of big time. Miami lost 10 thousand fans a game in 2018 and that was supposed to make them money? Well time to go now but I’ll leave you with this, if my favorite team has a payroll of 175 mil per right now, why can’t they spend more to bring in a couple of Star players such as a ss/3b and a proven winning pitcher and get us to the playoffs? Answer, because they are dumpster divers who will draw 3 million plus without spending.
I think this is a huge problem with a few CBAs. Hockey is much the same way. My buddy and I were just talking yesterday about how the Devils need to stop treading water and sink or swim. Either sign that extra top line d-man and another goal scorer or start moving pieces to tank the rest of the season so we can get some good draft picks. The salary floor keeps teams “relatively” competitive and is the hole baseball is missing. We don’t need a cap but we do need a $90 mil floor. Not to say there aren’t rebuilding teams with over a $100 million payroll. The Giants, Red Sox and more could fall into that category over the next few seasons if they choose to rebuild. But at least it will stop the perennial tankers like the Marlins who sit and wait for the perfect collection of prospects before spending a dollar to excite their fans. Tanking one season maybe 2 is ok. After that we need to institute some kind of fine. I’d treat it just like the luxury tax. After 1 year being under is x penalty. After year 2 it’s even larger. After year 3, hard salary floor cap of $100 mil or you start dropping draft positions which will make rebuilding much harder. Let teams take a year or 2 off to bring down salary and stockpile talent, and then force their hand to try to compete a little at least.
My idea is far from perfect but a step in the right direction.
The floor should be based on percentage of revenue. The Yankees are the highest earners in baseball. Yet they rank in the bottle third of MLB when it comes to putting that revenue back into the team. This nonsense will never stop until this stops. It makes sense that this affects all of free agency. It’s nonsense and I side entirely. These owners are all very rich people and only a fool would think they haven’t banded together to screw the players and the fans. They are hauling in record revenues and payrolls have decrease.
Not much of that is new, Gramps…..80 years ago Horace Stoneham said his goal for his Giants was to finish second every year….that kept the fans interested and the payroll low……That’s just morphed into “5-year plans” that are endless….like Rosenthal said; in Tampa, it’s always about tomorow, but tomorow never comes…..Every so often the accidental nature of baseball allows those teams to actually win…..but that causes ownership to pull them apart as quick as possible…..
This was the LA Clippers for how long?
I found it interesting that the last line mentions the Yankees could go after Machado instead of Arenado as an “arguably better” option at 3B and I must say… I do not think Machado is better than Arenado – both offensively and defensively Arenado appears to be the superior player. Granted Machado is indeed almost 2 years younger… otherwise I think Arenado takes the cake!
You yankee fans are crazy. All you ever want to do is buy everyone else’s superstars and then claim that your Yankees are the best. All the money the Yankees have spent in the last ten year is crazy. What do you have to show for it? ZERO World Series wins. Lol.
Call me crazy but I recall the yanks winning the World Series in 2009
Math is just another thing rstang4 has problems with.
Just another crybaby Yankee hater
You’re splitting hairs. You understand what he’s saying, and deep down you probably agree with him. The Yankees have gotten much better since they decided to place a budget on what they do. Their farm is WAY better and they have some great young (and CHEAP) players to build around. The Yankees are building a dynasty like they did in the 90’s instead of trying to buy one like they started to do when the other one ended. The record speaks for itself. I don’t even know how many billions of dollars they’ve handed out on big name free agents and they’ve had one WS championship in almost 20 years. You can’t explain that fact away.
TWO
Actually the Yankees payroll has been much lower in recent years. They’re set up nicely with a great combination of young cheap talent and very little bad contracts. Ten years ago when all they did was spend your argument would’ve made much more sense then, and not so much now. I do agree that Yankee fans want literally every single player it seems though. Lol
No actually Andujar represents a younger better version of Machado. Why don’t you silly baseball writers and misguided Yankee fans give this kid the same chances all of you have given to Greg Bird, Clint Frazier Luis Cessa, Bryan Mitchell, Sonny Gray, Tyler Wade may I go on.?
Add all the players stats or value up all of these players collectively who have accomplished nothing, none of them collectively had the impact Miguel Andujar has given the Yankees in one season. I can not believe you people, your lack of common sense or baseball knowledge. So Manny Machado biased and blinded fans you have taken logic thrown it out the window along with the baby in the bathwater. If you’re going to get rid of players who have proven nothing the list is long before you get to Andujar. Andujar doesn’t even belong in the same conversation of players in this list of failures far from it. SMH
Relax bro it’ll be ok.
Relax? bro if you think your lifestyle was as good or better then mine then I would say relax bro…I seriously doubt it is bro
wtf does lifestyle have to do with your little rant about the Yanks? Troll on guy…
sir button your lip before someone decides to dot your eye for you
lofl, take your pill Steph, because you’ve gone way past the line of reality.
would bet you are some wimpy nerd …no matter I have no anger management issues. I have learned patience
..I was quite used to people like you when i was in uniform yak yak big talkers half a block away …all changed when you caught up with them…pretty much after wrapping them up like a pretzel kicked screamed and cried all the way to the lockup and into the holding cell..so typical so laughable story always ended the same way
have fun lol
Andujar is a stud. I think everyone loves his hitting. His fielding is another story. He wasn’t just bad at 3rd last year, he was truly awful. Not only did he make lots of mistakes and errors in general, he showed very little range. Usually a lack of range is for older players, and not something that’s easily fixed. Considering he was one of the youngest in the league his lack of range is even more concerning, as it’s usually older players who have that issue. Having a full time DH at 23 is kind of weird too, and would block guys like Stanton from DH’ing.
Andujar and Machado are comparable now. Why would anyone pay 30 million for Machado when they can have Andujar for 550K? It makes no sense. Besides, with the Yankees signing Tulo AND Lemaiheu, I’m pretty sure they’ve decided against Machado, and good for them. The team that drops that much money on Machado is going to be trying to find a way to unload him halfway through the contract.
Bad? Awful ? Yes sounds like he was just horrible never did anything right defensively not even a little bit with expectations to ever get better
Would you mind take a 3 minute tour here on YouTube youtube.com/watch?v=-J0PIVsrKjc&t=18s
Does this guy look Bad or Awful…answer honestly yes/no without any ifs buts or excuses is this who we are discussing is bad and awful?
Then please articulate why writers gave him a ROY runner up while his own MLB peers voted him top AL Rookie 2018 and Boston Manager Alex Cora complimented him that he is a great player…I would assume we should believe you but disregard them is that accurate?
I have zero expertise despite years of baseball coaching college . Being you are such an expert on defense I have no reason to doubt you obviously you have vast personal experience at the hot corner any chance we could get you to a Yankee spring training have you give Andujar some tips show him how it’s done? He could really use your help.
So….NYPD & moonlighting as a college coach?
sounds like a resume man
Swinging
You Andujar critics are cut from the same mold. Which one that best describes you the most it’s one or the other there is no in-between which one is you A or B?
A:
You’re either the pencil headed nerd who could pick up a baseball or bat to save your life. You most likely still live at mothers if they can even tolerate your pathetic self. Your who life is Sonny Play Station MLB where you learned your so called skills in baseball analytics . No way you score a girl because any of them could see you are nerds-ville most likely a virgin who hasn’t done anything in their life worth an accomplishment other then sitting at a computer keyboard fantasying you are someone else
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Your’e the fat red headed freckled face step child kid who got spoiled with all the equipment from mommy and daddy. The only reason we even entertained the thought of the likes of your type is to let you play was you had the equipment if we didn’t you cried took your bats balls and equipment and went home. We usually stuck you at catcher to shag the balls only stopped by the back stop fence or so far in right field in hopes the ball would never make it out to you would need a automobile ride to get back to the diamond. Grown up you are so fat you couldn’t bend over to touch your toes let alone anything athletic. You significant other is likely as fat or fatter with a matching big mouth full of cut downs just like you.
Are those my only two choices in life?
I hope you are a big liar…. If this kind of dribble really is the work of a NYPD or college baseball coach we are all in trouble!
In the words of your fearless leader, “Sad!”
OK Tubby Red or is it Nerdy
We all know it’s one or the other with you guys
I’ll take either
I don’t see how being red headed or a step child amounts to an insult?
Same goes for nerdy…. Ouch, rjsuitor thinks I’m smart. The humanity!
Try again tuff guy!
Never said it was you fit in a box I didn’t tell you to step in the box you made the choice yourself it’s either one or the other… When the truth as told we could literally blindfold Andujar you know the guy you so vividly cut down tie his hand behind his back and make you look like a clown in cement shoes at the hot corner.
Don’t lie about it you know it’s true you sure like to dish it out squawking about a pro that would make you look like a girl in the pee wee league but not so good at taking some of the truth medicine yourself….
who anointed you super pro or super scout? you like dishing it out not so much at getting it dished back?
LOL the truth sure hurts doesn’t it ?
I have not reason to doubt your expertise.
Would you kindly go to Would you kindly go to baseballrefernce.com based on 162 games compare Andujar and Manny Machado 162 average stats side by side. Kindly give Andujar the benefit of a doubt
look at each players 162 average..bring a pen paper so you can type out the results in each offensive column back here on the blog verbatim
Please then tell if Machado’s 162 games justifies 200 to 300 million 30 million per year over Andujars meager 550 K year Truly Machado is a bargain at this price
Jeff Z, no matter the size of the parks, put Arenado in the American League East, and watch all his metrics fall off a table! Even as a RedSox fan, it’s easy to see that Machado has more value.
Cashman looks like a formaldehyde accident gone horribly wrong. So no Manny, now its a 3b from career friendly Colorado.
Next up for Cashman….Roy Hobbs
Why is everyone so dissatisfied with Andujar? He’s young and he’s got a very high ceiling, and you only have to pay him league minimum. Dropping all of that money on Machado or trading the farm for Arenado would be a catastrophe for the Yankees, and nothing but a knee jerk reaction to the Red Sox winning the World Series. The Yankees are in a good position now; some of the bad contracts are running out, they have a good farm and they have a great core of young players to build around. Cashman is doing a good job.
Why read the post below and see why …a bunch of freckled face fat red headed step child types who are in need of getting cracked in the chops to gain their attention…
every team in MLB would love to get their hands of Andujar no if’s and’s or buts about it but these people have lost their brains along the way
As one Yankee fan, I am not dissatisfied with him. He can flat out hit. When your glove is so bad that you have to be regularly removed for defense, it’s a problem. He has more value now than he will at any other time in his career. You shouldn’t ignore that if you’re running a business.
Have you ever heard of the word vastly improving. I’d like you to be judged your first day on the job compared to your peers at work if they leveled the same death sentence to you.
The same measure you use should be measured against you.
Wait a second. Did the Yankees break the most hrs in a season last year even though Torress Didi Sanchez and Judge all were injured during the year? Did the Yankees win 100+ games last year? Did we get an an all star second baseman and two good sps in the off season? Do we have far and away the best bullpen in baseball? Yeah your right Cashman sucks and the Yanks don’t know what they’re doing
Come on fellow Yankee fans give me a break. Some of you are acting spoiled rotten when other teams fans look at what you post in complaints about Cashman or Hal being stupid or a cheapskate. My you sound pathetic.
Look I get it Manny Machado or Bryce Harper are reasonably young fantastic and exciting ballplayers available as free agents that you would love the Yankees sign one or both.
I don’t see all 30 teams bidding on their services. In fact except for less then a couple less then a handful of teams are or even offering a contract to sign them putting their money where their mouth is. Hell neither player have even been signed yet. For that matter you can’t say 100%for sure where they are going.
You can not deny all teams are concerned over the luxury tax which incidentally our favorite team the New York Yankees have surpassed it 15 years straight until this year more then double the fines then any other team in baseball.
Our team had 100 wins but has made a major effort to improve this winter rather then just stand pat.
Can you name a 2nd team who is even remotely close to 7 WC 18 division titles 40 AL pennants and 27 world championships. Do you not see how silly you are to complain?
Do you understand that teams like the White Sox have won 3 World Series count them 3 WS in 118 years of existence while Phillies a record over 10,000 losses an even worse 2 World Series that’s right 2 in 133 years of existence. Some teams never have won a championship.
I want the Yankees to win as bad or likely worse then any of you do but you sound like a spoiled ass millennial from a rich blue blood family whose daddy just paid for your ivy league college then you had a hissy fit because daddy and mommy sprang for a Ferrari Pininfarina Sergio instead of the Lamborghini Veneno you got free gratis to impress your friends.
Talk about entitlement …if you want to complain, whine, stomp your itty bitty feet in the middle aisle of Sacs of 5th avenue because you didn’t get the most expensive Rolex in the show case try being a Marlins fan, a Tiger fan, a White Sox fan or Royals fan and see what misery is really like as a baseball fan.
Geez you are looking and sounding like the freckled face spoiled ass red headed step child nobody wants around who needs to get slapped silly for being such a crybaby because mommy and daddy wouldn’t give him his way..boo hoo
Pick your whining ass off the floor get a grip show some Yankees pride or respect man you are embarrassing the rest of us Yankee fans who show some appreciation for what we got. and achieved as a world class franchise.
Rj I agree with you and NY fans should know better. Besides the Yankees we have the Knicks who haven’t won since 73 the Jets who haven’t won since 67 the Rangers who haven’t won since 94 the Mets who haven’t won since 86 and while the Giants have won twic ein the last 15 years they’ve been a pretty terrible team recently. The Yankees worst year in the last 20+ years has been an 86 win season.We won 100+ games last year and look like a good shot to do the same this year. Lighten up on the Yankees if you’re a Yankee fan. Sheesh
@rjsuitor I like the cut of your jib.
Gray is still a Yankee? Hmmm, so much for a trade being eminent. The Yankees were shopping him last season. They basically said he wasn’t going to be on the team in ’19. Then they said they were waiting for the report on CC… that’s bs. Gray was never pitching for the Yanks no matter what. Gray has been on the market almost as long as Realmuto. The Marlins are laughed at for taking so long (rightfully so), but the Yanks get away with this and the MLBTR writers lap this stuff up.
Melchez what you’re saying is ridiculous, The reason the media is on the Marlins case is because his trade would be a blockbuster trade of great importance to the Marlins and other teams in the league. The Gray trade on the other hand is a pretty insignificant matter for the Yankees since they can trade him at any time and it really will have a minimal impact on the Yankees season.For instance the Giants said they’re going to move Panik. Not a lot of media because not real impactful. Comparing the best trade piece available to what is basically a salary dump trade is comparing apples to oranges
The Gray story has been on again and off again all offseason. Sure it’s a salary dump, but these MLBTR writers just love them some Yankee news even if it’s a #8 starter being traded. Anything Yankee related gets double the exposure of anything else.
I will bet the farm maybe not all but most of the Manny now or I hate the Yankees ownership, Cashman is an idiot and Hal is a cheapskate fans are malcontents in their own personal life never satisfied with anything or anyone.
Doesn’t matter if you are poor as a church mouse or rich as money could by you are never happy, who wallow in their own why me self pity.
I bet your were a real treat growing up with mom and dad a real spoiled ass brat that mommy and daddy no matter how they bent over backwards to please your spoiled ass couldn’t quite get the job done for little junior or little Missy who always wanted more, more yet, and most then anyone else got.
Further would not be surprised if you are either a major pain in the ass for your significant other. If they hadn’t already dumped you they are thinking of it. One who is openly critical of everyone else’s mistakes or flaws but you consider yourself without the slightest flaw. Your measuring stick to yourself is very generous while the measure stick you use on others is very limited from unless one is perfect in your eyes they don’t cut the mustard
Mostly the Manny lovers or cry because I didn’t get my way who just treasure at belittling Andujar in their rabid justification why the Yankees must have Machado or else it’s the death nail for a World Series….cut Andujar to the lowest instead of appreciating a rookie who almost any MLB team would love to have.
Match this template off to you I bet there are a lot of check marks on the list.
Does the rest of baseball exist just so the Yankees can have a schedule to play?
The point is Yankee fans have no reason to complain God has smiled on the New York Yankees
Who appointed you the Yankees spokesman for how their fans should act?
Actually nobody did..lol just from that condescending comment I would likely guess I have been a Yankee fan much longer then you back in the days of CBS ownership when Yankees were a sad state of affairs and one would have the right to complain.
I’ts your right to complain but want to clarify do you have red hair? freckles ? kind of chubby? mommy daddy spoil you? involved in play station …are you even old enough to legally drink?
Some people are never satisfied reminds me of that spoiled brat who toured the Willie Wonka chocolate factory where daddy asked how much for an oompa loompa Wonka everyone has his price
You should had been around when CBS owned the Yankees then you would have reason to complain….be thankful you are a fan (I think) of the most classy and well known sports franchise in the world..if that doesn’t do it for you heaven can not help you
Not defending the Longoria acquisition one bit, but the idea that he is “just bad now”, as one post stated, is a premature. Anytime a player get’s traded to a new team odds are he’ll struggle. Compound that with being traded to a new league, where virtually every pitcher is one that the hitter hasn’t ever faced in a meaningful game. Any player that doesn’t struggle is the clear exception. Then right around the time Longoria should have been adjusting his hand was broken when HBP. It’s entirely possible the hand was not 100% for the rest of the season. Yeah he’s 33, which isn’t young. but not really old either. He could conceivably bounce back to be somewhat productive. He won’t be worth his salary, but he still could have some value.
The Giants gifted the Rays a way out taking longoria and that pathetic contract, if the Rays had his untradable contract it would have inhibited them for years
When the Rays pony up $14.5 million and you take Span’s $11 million off the plate I wouldn’t call it a gift. If you do the math, he doesn’t have to be an all-star the next few years to pay off what the Giants are giving him. He had a lot of adjustments to make and he certainly was feeling the pressure last year. He does need to rebound, but nobody expects nor expected him to be an MVP player anymore.
I wouldn’t get too worked up by all the Arenado talk, the “reporter” who made this up is basically a Yankees hack. It boils down to a shiney object distraction to counter all the uproar of Yankees fans for bait and switch they’ve pulled making them wait 2-3 years for this off season for nothing….
Yankees fans: ahhh we no can beat the Red Sox we must spend the money to do so let’s get Machado
Cashman: these stupid fans aren’t gonna shut up if I don’t bring in a third baseman, not like our finished 2nd in AL rookie of the year and not like our team has other glaring holes but fine. I’m not going to pay $300 MM for a locker room distraction on a team that already has one of those at catcher so let’s just sell the farm for Nolan, at least I can point out his defensive metrics FAR exceed Machado’s and use that to make it sound like a good deal.
Rockies Fans (the intelligent ones): I mean if you want to trade us Andujar, Frazier Byrd and a prospect I guess we could trade you Nolan with a year left on his contract *barely contained snickers* Its not like we’d turn Andujar right around and make sure we got Realmuto or anything making us top contenders in the NL
It won’t just be arenado, Jon Gray is coming with him. No way they give up a cheap controlled Andujar for a 26 million rental
No no no that’s alright Andujar isn’t going anywhere let alone for a rental LOL. Don’t worry when all the ridiculous rumor fog clears (heavy emphasis on rumor defined as a false tale) you’ll be right there shouting Andujar Andjujar Andjuar as he is lining home runs from one side of the stadium wall to the other taking all the credit …I told everyone we should keep Andujar just like at the time you were Sonny kool-aid consumer now joined the rest of the sane baseball minds kicking him out the door. Whew
I can tell you that if Colorado does anything but extend ’Nado, Jeff Bridich has failed. How can he expect anyone to believe he is a high caliber GM, when he cannot resign a homegrown superstar. The man has less than 1000 games to prove he isent just another legacy of the Monafront embarrassment.
I wonder if Manny would sign a minor league contract.