The Rockies have agreed to terms on a 2019 salary with star third baseman Nolan Arenado, according a team announcement. He’ll receive $26MM, per Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (via Twitter), representing a record sum for an arbitration salary.
At the filing deadline for arbitration numbers, indications were that the Rox were confident they’d work something out before going to a hearing. Still, the sides were quite far apart, with Arenado filing for $30MM and the team submitting a $24MM figure — both landing above the prior $23MM record of Josh Donaldson.
As it turns out, Arenado comes in just a shade under the $26.1MM that MLBTR and Matt Swartz projected. As Swartz discussed in breaking down Arenado’s case, there were arguments to swing that figure in either direction, but the model obviously produced quite an accurate prediction.
Arenado is a perennial All-Star, Gold Glove winner, and MVP candidate. Plus, his power numbers are certainly not hurt by the fact that he plays at Coors Field. It’s no surprise, then, that he’d be the one to reach new heights in arbitration earnings.
The more intriguing question is whether the arb talks will set the stage for longer-term discussions between the Rockies and their biggest star. As Rosenthal notes on Twitter, today’s agreement came after a lengthy, in-person discussion — an indication, perhaps, that the sides may be able to work together to hammer out a much larger contract.
As always, you can keep up to date on the arb money by referencing MLBTR’s Arbitration Tracker.
Nice.
Great good for them both.
Deserves every penny
Nobody deserves that much for playing a game.
You are a …….
…….person who possesses common sense.
Nobody believes you know what that term means…
They’re not ‘getting paid to play a game’, they’re getting paid to generate profit for their boss, just like you and me
Only difference is they generate a heck of a lot more of it than you or I ever will.
No, the self entitled billionaire owners deserve it…not the guy out there actually earning it everyday lucky and talented enough to make it that far that very few do…
Beautifully said.
And party foul for citing common sense for his argument when he doesn’t even understand the basic concept of a job or what value means.
fly:
you should be counting your lucky stars. that the self entitled billionares are willing to give millions to the players. without team owners there are no teams. without people paying the players there are no players. without these “self entitled billionares” the whole ship sinks.
Without the players getting paid their fair share, there is now game even with owners
Professional baseball started when the players themselves decided to form team, go on the road to play other teams, and charge to tickets
Take away the owners and they can go right back to doing that.
So without owners as we know them now, teams have, can, and likely will exist without them.
So between the owners and the players, it should be painfully obvious which one is expendable.
Of course the logical thing would be to just admit it’s a partnership and split the profits… But that seems to be somehow too radical…
You are correct in your assessment.
Of course the sandlot team players would not be making 10% of what they make now.
The key is what % of game related revenue should the players have?
We would not know that unless the owners open their books,and we caould compare to other similar businesses.
It amazes me how this topic is such an either or on both sides. Either the players deserve the money or the owners get it. What about the peanut vendors, ticket agents, or the janitors? Why can’t the money go to them? I am sure they would appreciate more than the likely close to minimum wage they are earning now. They make up the backbone of teams and I have yet to see an argument made for them to get more money.
My contention is that both the owners and players are both pigs.
The fans get screwed the most.
Hopefully the numerous employees of the ML teams get bonuses if the teams make money,and higher bonuses if they make lots of money.
This would apply to all team employees at whatever level,not just players.
That is my point about the entire organization being the most important facet of baseball.It takes everyone to make it work,not just the players.
+petrie
Yes, they will go back to what they used to do, but the money wouldnt be there anymore. My point was that the players are getting paid so much because these owners have so much to spend on them. The players on their own could not build a stadium, get TV deals, and a lot of players would stop playing to pursue more financially beneficial positions.
Im not making the argument that the players are expendable. I am making the argument that owners are the reason players make so much money. They are integral to the financial success of the players. Without them, the whole ship sinks. The sport would go into irrelevancy when the money is gone. That said, the players are integral too, but then again, i never made the argument that they werent.
“What about the vendors, ticket agents, or the janitors?”
The reason they get paid so little is because theyre so easily replaced. Supply and demand. There is a giant supply of people who can be a janitor (literally everyone can be a janitor) so the price for a janitor position goes down.
Stay in school.
You would prefer a system where the government dictates minimum and maximum wages for each profession? It’s been tried before and failed unless you believe the Soviet Union, Maoist China, Pol Pot’s Cambodia and an assortment of Fascist regimes to be a success. It’s not “common sense” to advocate for abolishing individual liberty.
Then don’t watch it or follow a site that is dedicated to it.
When you consider how much the owners make as a result of these players playing a game, yes they do deserve it.
My views on this have nothing to do with how much owners, who provide employment opportunities, make.
It’s a freaking game! Dang, have you people lost all trace of common sense??
Those owners can’t generate those jobs without highly talented players to get people to pay ridiculously high prices to watch a game
You keep claiming common sense, but only seem interested in seeing half the picture… Which undermines that claim…
Actually it does, if you say the players aren’t worth it, then you are saying the owners are, the money has to go some where. How can you have so much common sense if you don’t even understand this basic tenet.
“My views on this have nothing to do with how much owners, who provide employment opportunities, make.” Then your views are only based on emotion rather than business sense. If you told me that if I hire you for $200k but you will generate $500k in revenue it is worth it for me to hire you. The same applies here.
Eh, there’s always another player coming up who can do it for less.
But will he generate the same revenue is a big part of that equation
Sufferfortribe, it is not often where fans of all teams come together to disagree with someone. It is not just a game to players, it is a job that they love luckily.
Exactly.
My comment is for Mack83.
Oh, I clearly understand the tenet of greed.
So players are greedy now?
Which is why you’re supporting the billionaires raising prices on you while cutting their own expenses and giving you an inferior product for full price?
Seems like another thing you don’t quite grasp as well as you think…
Don’t worry about it tribe, these people are the reason why it cost a few hundred bucks to take your family to a game. They think its “worth it”.
That just proves to me how far gone people’s priorities are, when it comes to what’s really important.
Your priorities are so straight that you think complaining about baseball salaries will somehow result in an increase in civil servant salaries…
You do know the federal government doesn’t own MLB, right?
@ilikebaseball
Now? They’ve been greedy for decades.
Megaj- high ticket prices are not caused by high salaries. It’s a supply and demand concept, so it has nothing to do with this conversation.
Wow, now that last sentence qualifies as extremely dumb. Duh.
Oh, and not all civil servants work for federal agencies. Duh.
How dare the people who actually made MLB a billion dollar actually want some if the benefits of what couldn’t exist without them…
Those poor billionaires and their anti-trust exemption…
This is just pathetic…
It’s about relevance as well. A good salary for a cop in the 70’s was about 30K. Highest paid player in that time was 800K, or about 25-30 times what an ordinary citizen made. Okay, I can live with that given the excitement a good player generates and the fame that comes with it. Today, a good salary for a cop is about 60K which seems about right. However, the highest paid player today makes over 500 times that much which is INSANE. Generations of fans enjoyed going to the game to see players like Ruth, Williams, and Mays at a reasonable price. Today’s greed is destroying it for generations to come. Oh, and by the way unions are a cancer to our society. Why do you think other countries can outbid us to make everything? Because they don’t have ridiculous unions and labor laws.
Like the players would just give up if they had to play for less? Costs would go down for owners and so would prices for fans if this “pathetic” viewpoint wasn’t the majority at the present time.
If the players make less, a cop makes the same. If a player makes more, a cop makes the same.
Can we please stop the tortured metaphors and you take this to a politic forum where you can crusade for people who have nothing to do with baseball?
Nobody cares that you’re jealous if Arenado
And no, tickets would not cost less years if the players made less. The lack of any link between the two that you’ve been shown repeatedly is still fact whether you’re smart enough to accept basic logic or not…
Ticket and Concession prices have only to do with what consumers are willing to pay. Guess what 70 million people were willing to pay those prices. They could pay the players $1 a game and they would still charge those same fans the same price. You are a simpleton. Thinking you know what’s an appropriate salary for any occupation. “That seems right” get out of here clown.
If prices go up as the average salary goes down, if there was a connection the crusaders should want salaries to go up, because then prices would down,based on actual data…
“It’s a freaking game!”
So like….checkers?
No, it’s a business. It’s a multi billion dollar business ( each team averaging approx 1.6 Billion worth as of 2018 ) where the sport AND the players themselves are the product. They share in the ENTERTAINMENT equally. The Game itself is inseperable from the layers of players storylines.
And just to squash the “Walmart is worth 375 Billion so I’m saying that Walmart employees should get million dollar contracts.”. You’d be right….if the employees were what BROUGHT THE PEOPLE IN THE DOORS. It’s the inventory, the “stuff.” Right? And Walmart pays huge for inventory (approx. 5 million inventory per store by my research). They actually pay almost 12% of revenue back into inventory.
In the MLB, the players ARE the inventory, and they cost approx 8% of revenue. Now with stadium upgrades and such probably bring that percentage up to about the same, and they would have to be entered in because to be fair, they ARE part of the product.
Without trying to sound too disrespectful (proud of the men and women working Walmart or any other job making their own way), the employees are like the guy who fills the Gatorade jug in the dugout, or cleans their uniforms….you’re job is to make the inventory look good to the consumer.
Just a business point of view …but then again, who cares, it’s only a game
The opposite of unions is corporate rule.. do you really want that?? Ooops, too late.
Suffering Rude face; All trace? Yes we know it is a game. So global with those pugy sausage fingers.
It does have to do with how much the owners make. players should get their own fair share.
You mean owners have been greedy for decades
This guy doesn’t understand business… If you’re an owner of a multi billion dollar company you don’t pay arguably your most important employees pennies on the dollar just because “it’s a game and no one should earn that much”. It’s a great way to get fired or run out of business
Hey “megaj” , Please define “greed”.
When they generate billions of dollars, they clearly do…
They deserve it for making their employers far, far more…
If you did something better than anyone else in the world how much would you charge??
At least half of the total profit. I do the work, my boss puts up the resources… Splitting the reward seems pretty fair to me.
In order:
1. Skills that serve a purpose- a builder, a healer, a peacemaker, etc.
2. Skills used for entertainment purposes-celebrities and athletes
3. Completely useless- the people leaving comments on this site
Skills used for entertainment do serve a purpose. Do you English much?
Save the dime store philosophy for community college. This is business, not religion.
And in business what matters most is who makes you the most money.
If you don’t like talking about business, stop. you’re not any good at it anyway.
I guess the Walton family better give all the Wal-Mart workers a 1000% raise then? It makes no sense to think this way unless players were actually invested in the team itself instead of just having to work for it…well play for it.
Do you comprehend much?
No, they should give it all to people who have no connection at all to Walmart because you feel bad for them
That’s your entire argument in a single sentence…
This makes zero sense.
Who deserves the 10.3 billion that fans spend on the game last year? Just the owners? You don’t have common sense at all. But keep thinking you do.
Keep in mind that Arenado will have to pay a tax on that amount of money, not just Colorado’s state tax, but every state in the nation where the Rockies play this season. Since the Rockies are in the NL West, they will see more games in CA (my assumption by playing SF, LAD and SD) than any other state. So that 26 mil will be heavily taxed, not just by the Feds but also by the state of CA.
Even if he pays the highest possible rate of 39.6 and another 12% in the highest taxed state then he still has more money than 99.5 percent of people on planet earth. By the way, you are only taxed in the state you live in. Give me a break.
YOU make more money that Billions of people! Give me a break!
You do realize there are states where baseball is played that have no state income state tax, right?
And?
An accountant you are not
You are incorrect. Players are taxed in the states where they perform.
Ilikebaseball I don’t understand your comment.
Cecildawg my point is players don’t get the amount of money (net) that these publicized contracts appear to be.
Sufferfortribe in the specific case of Arenado, CA has a state income tax, where he plays a lot of games, as indicated by SF, LA, SD. Keep in mind also that CO has the HIGHEST MARGINAL INCOME TAX Rate in the nation. Texas has no state income tax, however since CO is an NL team, and as inter league play is set up, CO will see an AL team in Texas once every three years since HOU and TEX are in the same division.
Do you deserve your salary/paycheck from your profession/job. Do you deserve any raise do to your jobperformance?
Bro someone looking at the financials thought the number was appropriate given the money they are making. Stop it.
I am so sick of this argument. Players don’t deserve this much money for playing a game, but owners do for having purchased a team and doing little else. We’ve all had this argument before many times and it goes nowhere so lets put it to rest. You clearly favor billionaires over workers and think that the wage gap should increase
Out of curiosity, how much does a player of his caliber “deserve?”
When you are 1 of the best 32 in the world who have your skill set, which contributes to a $9 billion a year product, suddenly you are worth that much.
Coed softball is a game.
MLB is entertainment. It is a multi billion-dollar enterprise. Pretending it’s just men playing a children’s game is missing the point in a humiliating way.
Baseball is entertainment and the revenue is going up each year. The players deserve every penny they get and more.
The way you played / play baseball might be a “game” but to Arenado it’s his career. He just doesn’t show up to the ball park 10 minutes before a game, play in the game, and then go home. At the MLB level, and especially at the MLB Elite level the players probably spend more time conditioning and practicing then most people spend working during the week.
Most people in this country work 40 hour weeks.
Almost all Ml players have to spend time on conditioning etc to stay at a ML level of competence.
I highly doubt that it is anywhere near 40 hours though.
They’re in an industry raking in billions of dollars, they deserve their share. players should get all they can get from the owners
I agree with this statement.
But if owners are pigs that makes the players the same thing.
Just sayin’.
Nobody said the owners are pigs, they’re just not magically more important than their employees.
Their entitled to a profit on thier investment, but they can still make a hefty profit while being fair to the players and the fans, who want good baseball for the money they pay.
In my opinion over the last forty years since the start of free agency the money infused into the sport has been so huge that it is a natural consequence that greed will take over.
It affects both owners and players alike.I do not differentiate.
The result is that the firefighters,burger flippers,etc cannot afford to attend but a few games in the year.
It was not that way when I was a kid and grew to sincerely love and play the sport.
Give Nolan Arenado $26 M.If he had not earned it he would not get it under the current bargaining agreement.He is the best third baseman in baseball and has worked hard to get there.That means that he is the best at what he does in the world.
But the saddest part is that little kids today do not have the opportunities that I had in the 1960’s to learn to love the sport and that distresses me.
It wasn’t free agency that turned the sport off into a cash cow, it was the post ww2 economic boom that gave people disposable income to spend of frivoloties like professional sports. It’s why all sports experienced a rapid profit boom in the same period. Even leagues that already had free agency.
Free agency happened because players at that time we’re getting screwed by owners exploiting an outdated and unfair system that wasn’t compensating them fairly for what their bosses we’re making.
Basically you’re blaming the wrong cause for the death of something that was unsustainable in the first place.
Nice try,but your facts and interpretation of my words are both wrong.
The post war boom happened in the 1950’s and 1960’s.By the late 1970’s Jimmy Carter was president and we saw what happened then.
When the players started making big money the owners jumped right in also.
The players definitely had been clearly underpaid for many years.That is the main reason why unions were formed in the early years of the twentieth century.They had a right to organize,and still do.Now that many of the evils that unions were first against have been eliminated,the question of pay is clearly at the top of the priority list.
I was not blaming the players,I would have done the same thing.I mention it because I believe that that was the time frame when this rapid increase in ticket prices started.
Prices started going up in The 60s, which is where your entire fantasy starts to fall a part
They didn’t start rising with the advent free agency because revenues started to explode about the time the Giants and Dodgers moved west. Free agency was a response to the rapidly growing gulf between revenues and pay.
Things weren’t actually all that great, you were just unaware of what was actually going on due to youth.
I do not remember the 50’s much at all but I do remember the 60’s and 70’s and I think that I will keep my opinions on them regarding baseball the same.Thank you.
I do recall Koufax and Drysdale holding out for $100,000 each in 1966 and it gave an inroad in spring training to a young pitcher named Don Sutton.
I think Curt Flood was the genesis of the Union in 1969 or 1970 when he was traded and refused to report.
The movement of the Dodgers and Giants in 1957 no doubt affected the overall dynamic but it would have taken time to get going..
Fantasies are what you conjure up in your mind.
Deserves? How much do you think a soldier should make? A doctor? A firefighter? A schoolteacher?
All of that is frankly irrelevant because those salaries aren’t paid by a billion dollar corporation that gets to pocket all the profit those jobs generate.
It’s an apples to oranges comparison and a red herring, because you’re using it to get an emotional response instead of a logical one.
Police officer, too. Three of those occupations alone are so dangerous that they are at risk of losing their lives every single day, yet many choose to worship sports figures and movie stars.
It leaves me shaking my head, and makes me sad for our nation.
Well said, megaj.
@sufferfortribe if you cared so Mich y do u have and indians logo instead of your state firefighter or pics of your states policemen or any other worker. Your bashing sports. Yet ur pic is a cleveland indian lol
No one is paying $20 for parking $100 on tickets $20 on a hot dog and a beer to see any of those people do their job. Especially not 70 million people. People can appreciate both sports stars and their local heros, these are not mutually exclusive. What’s wrong with you?
Because I still love the sport, genius. I just hate what’s happening to it.
Sad boy buck up.
Sufferfortribe: You have a way of spouting off a lot of rubbish mixed in with a little fact in your opinion. Not sure about anyone else but my “heroes” were my parents, police officers, firemen, doctors (especially the 1 who saved my life when i was a kid),soldiers & coal miners. i enjoy watching sports & other types of entertainment but i ONLY worship God, MY savior Jesus Christ and MY comforter the Holy Spirit! if you “REALLY” want to know who’s “grossly overpaid ” check out the TV personalities.
I would upvote your comment, but am unable to on my iPad.
And My heart smiles to know you worship the One True God and Jesus Christ our Savior.
His skillset is much higher than those professions. Replacing Arenado is much more difficult than it is to replace a dime-a-dozen Doctor, teacher, firefighter, etc. He has an incredibly rare skillset and deserves to paid a premium for that.
His skillset is nothing compared to a special forces soldier or fireman.
What an asinine comment.
A lot more than they normally get. THAT has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the topic of THIS ARTICLE does it.
Nobody deserves that kind of money but military
More than Machado and Harper are making combined !!!!!
Lol
Well played
Harper and Machado contribute to America’s unemployment rate
…so Mookie gets 30M next year….
Weeeeeell, let’s see how he rebounds from his MVP season, can’t get much better… or can he?
27 years old, deliberately “betting on himself”,, highly athletic…..he’s not Trout….yet……might be Trout….might be better…..
Cora’s already said he bats second next year, which means his “protection” is JD, not Benetendi….. I’d give it 50/50 that he gets better…..and 90/100 he’s as good as last year….
Mookie is 26..Bobby-pins
Below the halfway point. A concession by Arenado.
Good for you Mr. Arenando. But, no, this does not entitle you to $400 million later on in free agency.
You’re not worth the $15/hour you get at In/out either. Nor are you entitled to a higher salary in the future, even if you do flip them a tad faster.
So lets assume he does work at in and out burger for 15 bucks an hour, this invalidates someones opinion on MLB free Agency…….how?
The fact he works at in and out has nothing to do with the validity of his opinion. Please try reading comprehension or ask your parent if you don’t quite understand a comment. I only expressed my opinion and I just merely assigned his logic to his life. How exactly did I invalidate his opinion, get your parent to help in your response please.
1. I live in New York. What’s In/Out?
2. Do people who work there get 50% raises year-over-year?
3. Do you?
4. The key word in my (admittedly facetious) post was “entitled”. I’m all for people going out and getting paid as much as they can no matter what they do. This is America. If Arenado can get $400 million, great. If he can’t, I’m not really interested in hearing that the system is unfair.
I’m actually in favor of these massive arbitration-year deals (which is why I congratulated Mr. Arenado). I am fine with massive AAVs over shorter terms. I get annoyed, however, when I start hearing grumblings of a future work stoppage because a couple players can’t get 10 year deals on the open market. It is the players who have proven that they’re not worth that type of risk.
The players deserve their share of the pie, but they don’t get to dictate all of the terms as to how the wealth should be spread. Raise the minimum, eliminate an arbitration year, implement a salary floor, whatever. At this point, just about every fan of every team has seen more bad long term contracts than good and we’re sick of it.
1. In/Out is a burger joint a place of employment protected by anti-trust labor laws, probably much similar to your current place of employment. So because MLB has an EXEMPTION to anti-trust labor laws, any parallel you’re trying to draw with points….
2 and 3 are pretty pointless. Its apples and oranges since your company has to pay you minimum wage, overtime. And if you’re in a salaried position they can’t artificially deflate the value of that contract. ie you won’t spend years in the minors making less than minimum wage and you won’t be making a 1/9 of the average salary of your colleagues once you did get a promotion.
4. Simply put, any threat of strike isn’t about the mega deals. The players union won’t put on a strike because Arenado didn’t get his entitlement. Its because the players in the middle are being squeezed out and devalued. A strike will happen because of the Moustakas’, Iglesias, Jones. Servicible MLB players who aren’t getting deals. When they are clear upgrades but when less than a third of the league is actually trying to win suddenly these players have no jobs even though they are better than what many teams are rostering. And really you’re sick of bad long term contracts cause ownership uses it as an excuse and you eat it up.
Apples to oranges? You’re the one who brought it up in the first place. I thoroughly explained that I have no qualms about anybody getting whatever they can from whoever is willing to pay. My point is that nobody is entitled to anything.
And you’re wrong. Ownership isn’t feeding me a line that I’m eating up. I can see it with my own two eyes that these long term deals simply haven’t worked out and this market correction is long overdue. If anything your logic is twisted. For almost 30 years the players didn’t care that third of the league couldn’t compete for free agents as long as the New Yorks, LAs, and Chicagos were there to open up their pocketbooks. So this line that the players are suddenly interested in parity is an excuse that they’re using and you’re eating it up. Simply put, these teams aren’t paying and they don’t like it anymore.
I haven’t heard players show a single bit of concern about guys in the “middle”. Their concern is with the guys at the top because it’s implied that they drive the market for everybody else. Kris Bryant and Evan Longoria’s entire rant was based on the fact that Machado and Harper haven’t signed. It wasn’t about Moustakas, Iglesias, Jones, or anybody else. When I’m told that as a fan I shouldn’t care because, “It’s not your money. It’s money that the players have worked their whole lives to get…” Sorry, man, that’s just insulting. Funny thing is when Longoria signed that deal with Tampa, he took heat because everybody thought he could get more. Now, his contract is an albatross. He is the very representation of the problem from both sides.
I already said that I am all for people getting whatever they can get. But, I’m on the side of ownership when it comes to these long term deals. The players should really look for other ways to get their share. If they truly cared about the people in the “middle” we’d hear more about that and less about Harper, Machado, and Kimbrel.
Purple wins.
New Arb record!!!
Hey X this is why I was always saying the Yanks will be out on both Harper & Machado. They value their homegrown talent, and that talent with be very expensive in a few years.
No chance he resigns in Colorado, he took this deal as a flip candidate. He gets good cheddar and the team that developed him will get a solid return for his services come the trade deadline….and he goes to a real playoff contender.
It’s a 1 year deal… At the absolute most, he would’ve gotten $30M instead of the $26M he ended up taking. I don’t see how this affects his value in any meaningful way.
Now is the time, to work out a long term deal.
Lets say 7/200.
So about half way between the two filing figures. Arenado is a joy to watch. Clearly a fan favorite.
High bar for FA sweepstakes 2020!
He’s earning close to 75% of his career earnings in a single season. Good for him.
Deserves $26.5M his numbers are awesome as per MLB tv gurus shown this week, even considering playing @ Coors !
Players do not generate billions for MLB. We do. Remember that.
Arenado can enjoy this big payday before he takes a slight paycut with a cut in his offensive production coming once he leaves Colorado. It is inevitable.
Would you pay major league prices for a minor league team?
My guess is no, you pay to see the best players in the world
So yes, players generate the revenue because the revenue doesn’t exist without them
The whole organization generates the revenue,not just the players.People could not play professional baseball without the ownership,management,and infrastructure of the team.
That being said Arenado is worth $26M because of how fine a player he has been with Colorado and how much value he brings to the team.They would not have paid that enormous sum unless they believe that he was worth it.
No, the players generate the money.
No players, no league, no revenue.
The league wouldn’t exist without them.
Sorry Petrieooo
They would be sandlot players without major league organizations.The players are only part of the equation,just the most noticeable part,and the part that we can relate to most because many of us played baseball at one level or another.
No use arguing though in this case.
right, because you pay to go see the concession workers or the scouts sitting there quietly watching the game….
the players are the ones that people pay to see. take away the players, nobody’s coming to that massively expensive stadium (probably built with tax payer support).
this whole idiotic myth that ‘the organization as a whole is what makes the money’ is just mind boggling. It doesn’t make a lick of sense.
Take away the players and the whole industry simply doesn’t exist. if that goes over your head, you really shouldn’t be airing opinions in public for the good of humanity…
You are an extremely biased partisan of the players who does not see the overall picture.
You will never change and your ranting posts are clear evidence.of that.
End of story.
Good luck in your diatribes.
and you’re just ignorant if that’s all you can come up with.
Take away the players, nobody left makes anything
take away everything but the players…. well, if they decided to form teams, rent a sandlot, and then charge money to let people watch… they make some money. Maybe not as much, but some
but sure, let’s pretend they’re not the most important piece because they make more than you and you don’t like it.
You really do not know how much I make.
Money is not everything in life anyway.
I really do not care how much money they make.
Fans go to see the game,and players play the game.Managers manage.Coaches coach.Architects design the stadium.People clean up the trash afterwards.All important parts of the total game of baseball that many of us love on this site.
Your monotony has become boring,and we will have to agree to disagree.
Thanks for your time.
that post wasn’t worth the minimal data it actually took to upload it
you’re lying through your teeth if you claim you’d pay money to watch people clean up trash or that you give a darn about the craft of the architect.
Take away the players and you wouldn’t care what happens to the rest of it, you’d abandon the whole thing just like everyone else. At least be honest with yourself if you’re going to waste time posting on a subject.
During World War II women played baseball.There were 12 teams and one year they drew over 900,000 people.If there weren’t any major leaguers eventually people would settle for minor leaguers and the best minor leaguers would become stars.People want to see sports.Consider college football and basketball.They fill huge stadiums and arenas and those teams aren’t close to as good as professional football and basketball teams
Infrastructure fans and the taxpayers pay for. You can replace the owners, you cannot replace the players. There are only so many players with the skillset to be MLB players and fans would not pay to see minor league talent take their place.
Petriedouche – minor league games are entertaining and affordable. If I lived nearby a minor league team I would absolutely support them because I love the game.
I watch women’s fast pitch because I love the game.
I watch some Japanese and Korean baseball because I love the game.
You might be too much of a snob to watch inferior talent, I’m not. Your guess is wrong and, quite frankly, ignorant. I wouldn’t bother paying self-entitled major league baseball players my hard-earned dollar just to buy PEDs, making it rain at the strip club or pay for a second phone behind his wife’s back to cheat.
So no, I wouldn’t pay major league prices for minor league teams NOR would I pay major league prices for major league teams. Unlike you I believe they need to be humbled.
So you go to see empty stadiums? Or watch the games for the commercials? Without the players, there is no game. You cannot replace them. Remember that.
You’re more stupid than the other guy.
Infrastructure of the organization.
I don’t want to waste any more time on you bozos.
Remember that.
Good, the less you try and contribute the better.
There has to be someone here willing to contradict your biased arguements.
Otherwise it would be a one sided forum and you and the koamalus of the world would drown out those of us who have different opinions.
Contradicting facts required the use of facts, not waxing poetic about ‘the good old days’ that never existed until the people who grew up in them started to lose their memories
You have yet to contribute anything that doesn’t fall firmly under the ‘old man tells at cloud’ meme
But sure, tell us all about how you go to the stadium to appreciate the janitor staff…
You are an extremely biased observer who has nothing to add to an intelligent arguement.
You can refer to any “losing memories”and “old man meme” notes that you want.
It clearly tells me that you have resorted to name calling because you have nothing left but worthless drivel.
Mendoza – never mind Petrie. He probably drinks iced coffee out of a wine glass. He has no concept of what owners do for the players and the staff of the franchise.
By his logic, and every other anti-owner on this site, salespeople closing deals should rake in 90% commission. They don’t for many reasons. These idiots would destroy jobs for all 30 teams if they had it their way. People working for these organizations would no longer be able to support their family because the Petries and the other knobs want players to take in more money.
The game will also suffer. But I shouldn’t bring logic to a group of illogical people. Fight the good fight Mendoza. You are not wrong.
I appreciate your reply,and value your many posts.
I am not for the owners nor players,just for the fans and baseball the sport.
I believe that one has to look at the overall picture in an unbiased manner in order to truly value the individual composites that make it up.At that point one can make unbiased observations and form opinions.
It was evident early on that Petrie is clearly a biased observer,even though he is unaware or will not admit it.He knows facts and can clearly communicate,but his opinions are clearly distorted by his bias.
When he resorted to name calling I knew that he knew that he had lost the arguement.
Many of the commenters here are intelligent and knowledgeable and fairly unbiased.Some even add some humor which is always appreciated.
I can assure you that throughout my life I have never let the knuckleheads of the world affect me adversely and I certainly do not plan to let them start that now.
Good move Rocks…good for both…
over paid
yeah, that guy in you tag is!
This got out of hand rather quick. Even for this site
hey, a simple solution for you. ask rockies’ fans if they like arenado staying with the team at that price tag. and make sure no player worth that much ever play for tribes
this is mlb! no excuse!
blogs.fangraphs.com/the-minor-league-wage-battle-isnt-over-after-all/
Needs to go for broke next off-season with a very long-term deal.
.984 OPS at home for his career, .787 OPS on the road.
I don’t think he’ll be a .787 OPS if he signs with another team, but he’s not going to be anywhere near the hitter he is at Colorado.
Great deal for both. Arenado will be looking at $30+ million AAV in FA next offseason.
No he definitely will not.With a 200 difference in OPS home and away the only team that can justify anywhere near this kind of AAV money longer term is Colorado,and they would be bidding against themselves.
He will be the next one to figure out that he is not worth these stupendous amounts of money longer term.
Five years,$100M.
It was actually higher than that in 2018, but averages over 150 for career. Only .248 ave on road last season.
Worse than I thought; You’re correct, he’s -197 for career. Unless he plays in the NL west, I wouldn’t offer more than $15 but he’ll get his $20.
*Reads an article about Nolan Arenado*…
…*Reads comments that have nothing to do with Nolan Arenado *
Glad to see both sides came to terms. Hopefully that can work out extension, instead of all this dragging out with Harper/Machado.