The Mets haven’t been connected to outfielder Bryce Harper or infielder Manny Machado – the best free agents available this offseason – in part because, “I don’t know how many teams have two $30-million players,” COO Jeff Wilpon said this week (via Tim Healey of Newsday). Wilpon was alluding to the Mets’ highest-paid player, outfielder Yoenis Cespedes, who will make just shy of $30MM per year over the next two seasons. But Cespedes is not under contract thereafter, may not even play in 2019 because of heel problems, and will have insurance cover some portion of his money while he’s on the shelf. Still, whether the outfield’s a pressing need for the Mets is debatable, as they have Brandon Nimmo, Michael Conforto, Juan Lagares and Keon Broxton headlining that group. Wilpon noted the Mets “have some pretty good lefty outfielders” in Nimmo and Conforto, lessening the need for Harper. Entering the offseason, they weren’t as fortunate on the left side of their infield, where Machado could have made a huge difference. The team has since signed Jed Lowrie, though, and it’s seemingly content to go forward with him as its primary third baseman and Amed Rosario at shortstop. However, even after reeling in Lowrie (and acquiring other pricey veterans in Robinson Cano, Wilson Ramos, Jeurys Familia and Justin Wilson), the Mets are still roughly $40MM under the luxury tax, Healey points out. Nevertheless, the big-market club is apparently content to stay out of the sweepstakes for both Harper and Machado.
More from around the National League…
- Although the Rockies’ Bud Black is entering a contract year, the manager’s not fazed by his uncertain status beyond 2019. “Those thing work themselves out,” said Black (via Nick Groke of The Athletic). If Black wants to stay with the Rockies, it’ll be a surprise if they don’t extend him this offseason or sometime prior to next winter, as he’s easily their most successful manager ever in terms of winning percentage (.548). The Rockies have made the playoffs in each of the well-regarded Black’s two seasons on the job and gone 178-147.
- Dodgers closer Kenley Jansen, who underwent surgery in November to address an irregular heartbeat, told J.P. Hoornstra of the Southern California News Group and other reporters Saturday that he’s back at full strength. Pitching in the thin air of Colorado has been particularly problematic in recent years for Jansen, who was hospitalized after a game there last August, but trips to Coors Field won’t be an issue for him going forward. “If I’m hydrated I should be fine,” Jansen said.
- Earlier this offseason, John Farrell interviewed for the Reds’ managerial position – a job that ultimately went to David Bell. While Farrell was among many runners-up in that derby, he’ll still work with the Reds in 2019, Mark Sheldon of MLB.com reports. After serving as a scout and advisor last year, his first in Cincinnati, he’ll function as a pitching consultant during the upcoming season. Farrell, 56, is best known for his run as Boston’s manager from 2013-17, during which the team went 432-378, took home three division titles and won a World Series championship (’13).
mlb1225
Instead of going out for Machado or Harper, the Mets should go and get another starter. I don’t think they should put a lot of trust in Jason Vargas and Corey Oswalt to fill in that 5th spot. If they don’t want to go all out and spend a lot to get Keuchel, then they should maybe try and get Clay Buchholz. When he’s healthy, he can be pretty decent.
Strike Four
deGrom-Thor-Keuchel-Wheeler-Matz is a sensational rotation. Trade Vargas to Oakland for peanuts.
dematteo1982
I just sae this comment…as u will read i am im total agreement with this. That staff would by far be the best in MLB. Even bumping Vargas to the pen for Gio, Bucholtz or Miley would be awesome… or…go totally nuts and trade Matz,Gimenez,McNeil and Kay for Kluber…or trade Gimenez,Smith and Peterson for Bauer.
Bernie's Dander
If Cespedes were to miss all of 2019, how much of the $30m would insurance pay? How does that work?
DTI812
Based on what went on with David Wright I believe it is 75-80%,
But Aldiss went on with David Wright the Met ownership will claim 100% as payroll so to inflate their monetary commitment in the eyes of the fans.
canocorn
Subtract another 30% for lawyers from both sides to argue over the numbers.
phenomenalajs
I’m not sure it works exactly that way. Yes, the team gets reimbursed for 75% of the salary, but it still counts towards the payroll for luxury tax and revenue sharing purposes.
Tom
It depends on the policy. The more it covers, the older the player, the worse the injury history, the more expensive the coverage is. Like any insurance policy. What costs more to an insure…a 16 year old driving a Corvette, or a 50 year old driving a minivan? When Wright signed his deal, and thus the Mets insured it, he was not dealing with major injuries. Cespedes had had a history of troubles. And the Mets have a history of rolling the dice and hoping with big deals—they did not take out insurance on Johan Santana because it was too expensive. My guess is they have 50% coverage at most.
Boogaloo
How does it count towards the luxary tax when the mets never goi near the threshold?
TeddyBallgameYazJimEd
It counts towards the luxury tax threshold..
You go over thst threshold..and you pay
Willy Mays
Did your read what he said.He was commenting that the Mets never get near the luxury tax threshold so what does it matter if it counts towards the threshold
mikeyank55
Since none of that will happen, why don’t you follow Jeff’s follow up comment to the “how many teams have two $30 million dollar players?” Jeff added, “the only way we ever sign $30 million dollar players is with insured contacts and players that have serious injuries or chronically on the DL. My father (Met Senior Citizen) Mutt has a distaste for contracts with high net out of pocket expenses so we as an organization prefer signings that in the surface dup fans into thinking that we are trying to win.”
dematteo1982
ive been saying the same thing all off-season. It would be nice to bump Vargas to a long relief/bullpen piece. Gio Gonzalez, Clay Bucholtz or Wade Miley are all upgrades and would give the Mets a better rotation. Or…they could get real froggy and creative and sign Kuechel…
Say a heavily frontloaded 4yr/$80mil deal. 2019 and 2020 @$22.5mil (with an opt out after 2020) $20mil for 2021 and $15mil for 2022. Imagine deGrom,Syndergaard,Kuechel,Wheeler and Matz. Would without question be the best rotation in all of baseball
corey5kersh22
I think the Nats, Dodgers, Red Sox, Indians would have something to say about that. But that Mets rotation would be terrific.
yogineely
Wow, I’m loving this attitude from the Mets fan base!! You guys get Buchholz could be a low key excellent add you wouldn’t need much from with those top 3. I’d keep Vargas to eat innings if mats or wheeler goes down again though, throw him in long relief til then, and hopefully you guys all stay healthy.
thetruth 2
Lol at Boston being on that list.
mikeyank55
Hey Yogi…you may not be aware of trouble brewing in the Mets’ Front office.
Wagon Wheel has been frustrated by his inability to attract any more pitchers and just became aware of “TC’s” self promotional piece with the theme, “Sign with the Mets and you will surely end your career on the DL”.
WHEN Mats and Wheeler go down I suggest that you immediately think about 2016-2017 and start a pool to predict how few innings that their first rotation will log for the season.
No worries-the number is small
enough to calculate in your head.
BartoloHRball
Vargas had a near 6 ERA last year…with only one other qualified pitcher in the entire league being worse (Gioloto for CWS at 6.1-something ERA). Vargas was nearly 6ERA. Dude is literally one of the worst pitches in baseball.
joeyrocafella
They do have another starter besides Vargas… Gsellman or Lugo can stop into that rotation anytime and be very effective. They have enough of a bullpen to allow one of those guys to join the rotation
22Leo
I am pretty sure any team that signs either of those guys to more than 5 years will regret it within 2.. Machado especially. He is a dirty player who has already said he refuses to play hard. Terrible character. His parents should be ashamed.
camdenyards46
Lol
bush1
“His parents should be ashamed”. I’ve got a feeling his parents are OK with Manny. He’s a multi Millionaire Superstar professional baseball player, and is about to set up many generations with wealth with his next deal. Sure he’s kind of turd in the field at times, but I doubt his parents are anything bu Ultra proud. It’s just nonsense to say otherwise. I’m not even a Manny supporter either, and posts like that give me a headache. Just think about what he’s got going for him. It’s insane.
mikeyank55
So Leo what you are saying is that he fits the Mets personality profile really well, huh?
Willy Mays
I couldn’t disagree with you more.The way things are going Harper or Machado might be willing to sign a shorter contract perhaps 3 yrs 105 or so. Adding either one of those guys to the Mets lineup with their pitching immediately would make the Mets the team to beat in the NL East.I’m not a Metf an but objectively I think that would be the way to go. The Mets need to win now because there payroll will explode in 2 or 3 years. making it very hard to hold on to DeGrom or Thor.Wheelers gone at the end of this year. Cano will be dead weight and Familias contract is 16.6 in the third year of the contract as he signed a progressively increasing contract starting at 6.6 mill and by the third year going to 16.6 mill. Having said all this there is no way the Wilponzis will do this
mikeyank55
A few updates Willy:
Machado nor Harper will sign with the Mets. Sorry. Flushing is like prison even at $35 million per season.
Cano is already dead weight. His prime was a few seasons ago and the PED’s have been taking their toll on Ho’s body.
walls17
Joe Girardi said the same thing Mr. Black
canadianyankee
Spot on!
brandons-3
The perfect system is somewhere between the way the NBA and MLB handles contracts, club control, arbitration, luxury tax, salary cap/floor, etc.
Machado and Harper both deserve deals in excess of $250 million IMO just based off their talent, resumes, age, and previous contracts to lesser and older players.
I also don’t remember B.J. Upton, Albert Pujols, Josh Hamilton, or Jason Heyward giving back a dime of the money owed to them.
The fireworks will come in a couple years when Trout is a free agent.
James1955
There are no perfect solutions. Everything has it’s drawbacks. Is the Warriors winning the World Championship every year the perfect system? Contracts are negotiated. They are not about being fair and equal.
yogineely
That’s some truth!
Bernie's Dander
Trout and Betts in the same FA class!
stymeedone
@ brandon
Do you mean fireworks like what’s happening with Machado and Harper? They are younger than Trout. Why do you believe he will be any different? His best years will be in the past.
Priggs89
Oh, I don’t know. Maybe because he’s the best player in the history of the game? And he comes with absolutely no baggage (as of now). Age is only part of the equation here.
ekrog
The history of the game??? Really? Maybe if your “history” only goes back couple years.
luclusciano
He’s one of the best players right now. Not sure about ever.
davidcoonce74
I think by the time all is said and done, bvarring some catastrophic injury, Trout will be easily one of the five best players to play the game. Not sure he’ll get to Mays/Aaron level, but by Jay Jaffe’s Jaws metric, which uses lots of data points from throughout history, Trout is already the 7th best center-fielder of all time, and he’s 27. The only guys ahead of him are Mays, Cobb, Speaker, Mantle, Griffey and Dimaggio. I’d already argue Trout is better than Speaker and Griffey, and because Dimaggio’s career was so short, he’ll pass him pretty quickly. Cobb was such a different player, simply because deadball-era baseball was so different than the game we know now…but it’s easy to see Trout passing everyone on this list except for possibly Mays by the time his career is over.
BTW, Ruth is the all-time leader in career JAWS (for a position player; Walter Johnson is first all-time) but Ruth also played in the segregation era and his JAWS score gets a boost from his pitching career.
mikeyank55
Thanks Coonce for your research however you are missing one of the
most important CF’s. Do you know what the lifetime WAR is for Mookie Wilson?
brandons-3
Fireworks when Trout doesn’t get the offers he deserves.
22Leo
The problem with NBA contracts is that relatively mediocre players are getting the same max contracts as elite players. That is kind of ridiculous.
Freddie Morales
At this point, it doesn’t make sense for the Mets to get Machado unless they are trading Rosario for young pitching that is near MLB ready. Then Machado would play SS for next two years before going to 3B.
Mets should go sign another SP, guy I think is perfect for them is Ervin Santana.
jakec77
Met should definitely add another starter on a one or maybe 2 year deal, but I’m ok with them waiting it out to see who slips- maybe they end up with Keuchel.
Keep Vargas in a swingman capacity, he’ll end up making 25 starts anyway.
Strike Four
Bryce to Dodgers or Angels
Machado to Padres
Just do it
Vince McMahon
No chance in hell
simschifan
You’re fired!!!
socalsoxfan78
Angels? Maybe (and that’s a big one).
Dodgers? There’s no way in hell they sign Harper.
Knowthemarket
Dodgers already acquired Pollock.
corey5kersh22
Great news on Jansen! Hope he gets back to his dominant 2017 self. He was a little off last year.
HardWorkingAmerican
Love how he used a heart issue as a reason to choke in the 9th twice in the World Series.
abcrazy4dodgers
Oh look, a cardiologist has joined the thread…
Senioreditor
and one who knows baseball!
shawnpatrl
Gonzalez or Kuechel nuff said for the Mets !
jorge78
Welcome to the new normal. Teams are already maxed out or close. Boras must be losing his mind. 10 year deals are gone (thanks Crawford & Theo!).
Questionable_Source
They’re also giving boras his own medicine. He would wait and wait and wait hoping teams would get desperate and offer more to make sure they get their player. Now, the teams are waiting him out, and he, all of a sudden, has a problem with it.
canocorn
Touche’.
It’s partly to do with the role. Do you really want a lawyer or a soldier fighting on your behalf to question his orders and allow his personal value judgements to enter into it?
StairBob
Without Boras, baseball would be a better game. A con man telling kids that he will get them the moon, turning them into brats who lose all sense of reasonable thought. Sure, the tantrums work for a while, but then the adults stop giving in, and we have Harper and Machado being punished for Boras’s greed.
Agents are supposed to look out for the best interest of their clients, not the biggest payday to themselves. Boras is the slime, under the scum, under the barrel.
smrtrtanur
I don’t think that makes sense. I think in this instance, by looking out for his client, he’s doing the best for himself. If I were an agent, I’d seek the longest deal I could get.
its_happening
Agreed. If it isn’t Boras it would be someone else. The agent has a responsibility to get the very best available deal for his/her client.
mikeyank55
Hey Yogi—comparing the pirates to the Mets is a ridiculous notion. Pitt is a small market team dealing with their realities. Mutt and Jeff simply rob their fans continually.
xabial
Mets haven’t been connected to outfielder Bryce Harper or infielder Manny Machado – the best free agents available this offseason – in part because, “I don’t know how many teams have two $30-million players,” COO Jeff Wilpon
Don’t know how many team owners, as bad as you, Wilpons!
yogineely
The worst now Wilpon is out, in my opinion. Pirates comments earlier about payroll are kinda making me look into them now too though
Vito sciascia
Wilpons èxcuse after excuse just sign Harper and Gi O Gonzales so we can compete with the rest of our division
Knowthemarket
I don’t know. I think the Mets are pretty competitive now.
NewYorkMetropolitans
I mean hal is being pretty bad too. Machado harper > tulo lemahieu gardner
KnicksFanCavsFan
i can guarantee you that the signing of those 3 have nothing to do with not singing Manny nor Harper. more likeit, i’ts the FA demand for 10 years and a high aav. teams know they’ll likely get less value in those last couple of years.
Steven Chinwood
Justify
mikeyank55
Hey metro-that is either naive or plain dumb to compare the Yankees moves (strength to strength) to the mutts.
MetsManMetsFan86
Where’s Ellsbury playing this year Michael Yankmydoodle?
BartoloHRball
Now that Loria is gone…the Wilpons are likely the worst owners in the majors. The other owners don’t mind because Fred is harmless on committees and the team will only outbid the likes of Oakland, Marlins, and Tampa for players. Don’t let the shell game fool you…the mets are a small market team and that helps every club….but the Mets.
goldenmisfit
One big problem for all you Mets fans. The owners are the coupons! They will not give anyone any money because they have already said they are done spending.
warwhatisitgoodfor
Machado to the Mariners and Seager salary dumped hardcore
StairBob
I don’t really see either Machado nor Harper as a $300 million investment. These are not generational talents, and even generational talents are busts at the ends of these types of contracts. Like many of today’s ‘stars’, Machado and Harper both display a level of immaturity all too often to base a franchise’s future on. Maybe owners have finally learned that spending on the past isn’t as valuable as investing in the future?
Solaris601
Can’t disagree with any of that. How many rings do Harper and Machado have? Harper checks out in the post season – always has, and although Machado was on some bad Oriole teams in recent years, he didn’t do a whole lot to further LA’s efforts in the WS. Neither player is a sound investment north of $25M/year on a contract longer than 5 years. PHI will likely be one of the teams that overpays one of them, but I have no idea who the second team will be.
teddyj
You don’t see Machado and Harper as $300 million dollar players? Neither do the owners , me or anyone else with an iota of common sense.
ffjsisk
Really like what the Mets have done this offseason. IMO, they’re the best team in the NL east right now. If they can stay healthy, they’re a serious WS contender.
22Leo
Serious WS contender? Wishful thinking.
ffjsisk
Not wishful at all, I hate the Mets. But if Thor is healthy with Degrom and now Wheeler in that rotation…They made the WS with a lesser team a few years ago.
BartoloHRball
In the playoffs….pitching is key, right?
DeGrom (2018 cy young, cy young front-runner)
Syn (cy young candidate)
Wheeler (out-pitched deGrom in 2nd half of 2018, TOR level guy)
Matz…back-end lefty…on a good day he is a #3, but he isn’t getting a big game in the playoffs.
The Mets have 3 TOR guys, with arguably the best pitcher in the game coming off of last season. Their offense has improved since last year…so maybe mid-pack. Their BP has improved.
Yeah…any other team would be crazy to WANT to face the Mets in the playoffs.
kevs2003
So is the 40MM the Mets are under the luxury tax with or without Cespedes’s 30MM?
BartoloHRball
$40m w/o Cespedes’ money. They’ll get around $15-$20m back if the contract is structured similar to Wright’s (pre-buyout). So they are easily $50m-$60m under the first luxury tax line, which most big clubs are eyeballing as a targer or just under…so the mets being $50m-$60m under is about right for their small market deadbeat owners.
Depending how Wright’s contract is counted against the luxury tax…that is ANOTHER $20m….on top of the above.
jvent
Trade Lagares,Frazier and Vargas for nothing even if the Mets have to eat half the contract and sign Gio and Adam Jones for $5 mil each
BartoloHRball
I was fine until you got to Adam Jones…..the only thing the Mets need less than a .700ish corner OF is another 2nd baseman. The Mets needs 1 more starter (Keuchel, Buccholz) and one more BP arm (Warren, ideally).
kevs2003
Hopefully Frazier has a good start to the season so the Mets can move him without absorbing the majority of his contract and/or get a decent prospect in return.
Samuel
“…….the Mets are still roughly $40MM under the luxury tax,”
_ _ _ _ _
Pure demagoguery.
The Mets go not generate anywhere near the revenue the Yankees do. NYC is a Yankee town.
The Giants and A’s both play in the ritzy Bay Area market. How about snide comments about the A’s being $100m-plus under the salary cap every time an article is written about them? Shouldn’t the A’s ownership and front office be condemned? Playing in a major market and having a payroll on par with Tampa Bay, Miami, and Pittsburgh. For shame. Where is the outrage?
lol
jakec77
While you are correct that the Mets are not the Yankees even though they both share NYC, the A’s arent really the right comp.
Mets should be able to spend at the level of the Cardinals, Phillies, White Sox, and Angels.
Given where they are in their contention window, they need to spend more. Not on long term contracts necessarily, but one or two year deals.
Samuel
jakec77;
The Mets DO spend to the level of the White Sox.
They do not remotely have the following of the Cardinals (lifelong fans from 4 states), Phillies (4th largest media market in the US – with no other MLB team), or the Angels (people living in Orange county are primarily Angels fans).
As friends and relatives in NYC and Chicago put it – “NYC is an American League city, Chicago is a National League city (as is the Bay Area).” The way it’s been for over 50 years now. When both teams are on TV at the same time, the Yankees radically outdraw the Mets in viewers, the Cubs radically outdraw the White Sox.
In 2018 attendance the Cardinals were 4th in MLB. Angels 6th. Mets 15th.
Again, The Mets can be compared to the White Sox. And the Mets have usually outspent them over the years. They will again by a large margin in 2019 even if the Sox sign a $30m player.
jakec77
New York has not been a AL city for 50 years.
In the 80s both the Mets and Yankees were good at the same time and Mets attendance was the same or better than the Yankees.
As recently at 10 years ago the Mets drew over 4 million.
Forbes ranks the Mets as the 6th most valuable franchise, admittedly at half the value of the Yankees but ahead of all the other teams listed above.
forbes.com/teams/new-york-mets/
Samuel
jakec77;
Of course when the Mets win they draw well – same as any MLB team. But teams don’t win every year. Ten teams going over budget in 2019 are not going to go to the WS. Only 2 teams go.
The Mets can do no right in this publication……
When McNeil came up and did great in 2018, he was ignored because he was 26 years-old. They said the Mets needed a 2B for 2019.
When they traded for Cano and Diaz, Cano’s salary was too high; and the 2 prospects they gave up – at least 3-4 years away from producing in MLB…..if ever….was too high a price to pay. And where was McNeil going to play? (Suddenly he’s valuable.)
When they sign Familia he’s not that good for the money and they need more relief pitchers.
Frazier is no good. When they traded for JD Davis…..not good….he wasn’t a good fielder (like Frazier).
When they signed Lowrie, what about McNeil and Frazier – where do they play?
Then they signed Wilson as a relief guy and there’s something wrong with that.
Now you show up saying they should lay out money to sign veterans to 2 year contracts……which is exactly what they did with Lawrie and Wilson the past 2 weeks.
I’m not a Mets fan. Am a Calloway-Eiland fan. Look forward to watching them on MLB.TV in 2019.
BartoloHRball
Being a “yankees town” doesn’t matter. It’s TV deal dollars. SNY doesn’t bring in as much as the YES network, and that is fine. What isn’t fine is that the mets have a HUGE amount of revenue getting funneled through SNY and into the Wilpons’ pockets, which managing the Mets with a shell game of hide the insurance money and mystery payroll. It doesn’t matter who’s town the city is because TV money is what is trying the sport, not city allegiance…as tickets sales are a FRACTION of actual overall revenue and jerseys and whatnot sales are pooled for all teams.
kevs2003
Oakland is hardly “ritzy”. Trust me, I used to take the Bart to games when I was a kid. You go straight through the ghetto to get to the ballpark.
Armaday
30 million is a huge contract by current standards. Five years from now, these contracts could be the going rate.
jakec77
Based on what? Teams are resisting those kinds of outlays for a single player, and the momentum from the player side in the next round of negotiation seems to be focused on getting the younger players paid. Just as likely 5 years from now no one is making over $25 million per year anymore other than the left over contracts that are still being paid out.
BlueSkyLA
Based on lengthy historical trends. Based on the rapidly increasing revenue generated by the game. Based on the MLBPA not allowing the players’ share of the revenue generated by the game to continue to diminish and making that a major feature of the next CBA.
Boogaloo
Mets ownership nightmare. It’s one thing if LA or the Yankees just gave machado or Harper 380 million.
But if their price drops and these misers let them go to SD or someplace like that what’s their excuse now? It was much better for them when they could blame the “evil empire” for all the world’s sins as they robbed their fans and cried poverty.
Legalized crime, that’s the wilpons business.
edcl54
I only wish those few teams that can afford them would sign others while these 2 divas wait each other out, then they’re stuck taking a smaller offer. Phillies big mouth owner better make sure they get 1 of them or he should fire himself and the gm
baseballguy
I think its ridiculous that harper is still a free agent. This is just terrible for baseball. I mean harper only hit .250. That’s incredible. And he did it in his contract year no less. All he’s asking is something north of 300 million bucks. These owners are so greedy. I know guys at mcdonalds who make better than that…Collusion!!!
BartoloHRball
Harper averages nearly a .900 OPS in his career, post-steroid era. I’m far from a big Bryce fan, but dude can flat-out rake. He worries me in CF, but dude should cover a contract of at least 8 @ $30m-ish. Over $300m gets dicier for both players.
Jack0207
The St.Louis Cardinals should be all in on Harper. The RF starter is in his 30’s and he batted .180 last year and is at best an average defensive outfielder. Harper who is 26 is an upgrade in every way. Also the players with the Cardinals currently that are considered good players are all in their 30’s as well. Carpenter, Goldschimdt, Molina. So you need to inject some youth and need a face of the franchise.