The Reds entered this winter determined to boost their club’s performance at the MLB level, even if an anticipated new core hasn’t quite fully come together. On the heels of four-straight campaigns with less than seventy wins and last-place division finishes, it was and is an understandable goal — albeit one that called for careful handling to avoid denting the long-term outlook.
At the top of the docket, without question, was the improvement of a rotation that has been the game’s worst over that approximate span. While the team has ended up adding two outfielders with major name recognition — Matt Kemp and Yasiel Puig — they don’t really change the overall complexion of the position-player unit. The Reds had a middle-of-the-pack lineup and bullpen in 2018. Perhaps there’s some hope that either or both of those groups (the former, particularly) will improve in the season to come. But the rotation was the major impediment, and there’s little doubting that the quality of the newly rebuilt pitching staff will have a huge say in the club’s outlook in a division that promises to feature quite a bit of competition.
When GM Nick Krall said recently that this’ll be the “best rotation we’ve had in five years,” he wasn’t exactly staking out a bold position. The standard isn’t terribly lofty. If the Cincy outfit wishes to compete, though, it’ll need to do more than just top its abysmal recent starting rotation work.
Let’s take a quick snapshot of where things stand now in the starting five, beginning with the newly hired guns:
- Sonny Gray: The most recently-acquired of the team’s three new hurlers is also the one who received the biggest commitment. In addition to his preexisting $7.5MM salary for 2019, the Reds are taking on $30.5MM in new money over three years (while also gaining another season of control via option). Though his upside is perhaps easy to exaggerate, as he handily overperformed his peripherals in his best campaigns with the Athletics, Gray seems largely to have the physical skills intact that made him a high-quality, 200+-inning starter in 2014 and 2015.
- Alex Wood: Long known as a talented but injury-prone pitcher, Wood has mostly provided a good quantity of innings. He showed quite a bit of ceiling upon landing with the Dodgers, but wasn’t quite as sharp last year and exhibited a 2 mph year-over-year velocity decline. Though his salary isn’t yet decided, Wood will check in with a salary between $8.7MM (the team’s filing figure) and $9.65MM (his own) in his final season of arbitration eligibility.
- Tanner Roark: As with Wood, the former Nationals hurler arrived via trade in advance of his last season of control. Slated to earn an even $10MM, Roark has been longer on innings than results over the past two seasons. But he did spin two outstanding campaigns before that, even if those results weren’t fully supported by the peripherals, and has been an exceptionally durable pitcher since emerging in D.C. Roark seems a good bet to provide a steady volume of at-least good-enough frames for the Cincinnati organization.
The trio joins the following holdovers:
- Luis Castillo: The sophomore slump that Castillo experienced didn’t turn out to be all that bad, as he finished with a 4.30 ERA and 8.8 K/9 against 2.6 BB/9 over 169 2/3 innings after turning on the afterburners down the stretch. In his final 11 starts, Castillo spun 66 1/3 frames of 2.44 ERA ball with a 69:14 K/BB ratio. He’s still just 26 years of age and still thrws gas. There’s certainly an argument to be made that Castillo is the likeliest member of the new-look Reds outfit to turn in top-of-the-rotation numbers, and his track record to date suggests he ought to be good at least for a nice volume of solid frmes.
- Anthony DeSclafani: Maybe we’ll look back at the end of the 2019 season and wonder why we had questions. After all, DeSclafani did show some signs of returning to his prior form in 2018 — it’s just that they were obfuscated by a barrage of long balls (1.88 per nine; 19.8% HR/FB rate) that left him with a 4.93 ERA. Still, he managed to tally 115 innings after missing all of the prior season, sported a career-high 94+ average fastball, and matched his career average with a 9.4% swinging-strike rate. True, DeSclafani did surrender loads of hard contact (41.9%), but it seems he has regained much of his physical ability.
- Tyler Mahle: Long considered a talented hurler, the 24-year-old sputtered in his first full effort at the game’s highest level. With 22 balls leaving the yard in his 112 frames, and a less-than-trim tally of 4.3 BB/9, it’s hardly surprising to see a 4.98 ERA on the final-season ledger. That said, Mahle also ran up 8.8 K/9 on the basis of a 9.9% swinging-strike rate. If any of the above-listed pitchers falters in camp or during the year, whether due to performance or injury issues, Mahle looks to be a nice piece to have on hand.
- Other depth arms: The remaining potential rotation candidates seem to have little hope of competing for a starting job in camp — barring injury, of course. Still, there are some plausible pieces to work with in Sal Romano, Cody Reed, Matt Wisler, Lucas Sims, Keury Mella, and non-roster veteran Odrisamer Despaigne.
Looking at the overall picture, if you focus on established MLB ceiling, there’s a clear path to a quality unit. True, none of the five most accomplished pitchers — Gray, Wood, Roark, Castillo, and DeSclafani — has really ever been a dominant ace. But at their best, every one of these hurlers has had an extended run as at least a high-quality, mid-rotation starter. On the other hand, all five (to say nothing of the other players listed above) have shown their warts in the not-so-distant past. Only Wood finished the 2018 season with a sub-4.00 ERA.
So, how do you view the offseason efforts of the Cincinnati baseball operations unit to cobble together a pitching staff?
Slipknot37
Its a good rotation. Really depends if everyone can pitch like they did before last year. If castillo pitches like he did in the second half, that would help tremendously too. But players are usually like that thrit sophomore year anyways. So I think he will be fine. Definitely has a reasonable chance of staying in contention for a good while
HardWorkingAmerican
Senzels ability to play in the Majors is the key to their success. I predict him starring and getting the nod as the starting 3B across from Votto in the allstar game with the game being held in Ohio.
Eskimo6804
Mr Eugenio Suarez says Hello. The only way Senzel is playing third in Cincy in 2019 is if Suarez is traded or hurt. Either of those would be a huge loss for the team as he was their best player last year and is young and still improving.
stratcrowder
Yep
lowtalker1
Lol you know nothing
SuperSinker
Why would Suarez make room for Senzel?
thatsdoctorsmartasstoyou
That’s really an awful take for so many reasons.
1. This article is about starting pitching, which everyone rightfully believes is what the Reds season will hinge on
2. The infield is stacked and was last year, too
3. If Senzel is good enough to contribute, his ability to play CF is far more important than squeezing him into a crowded infield
4. The offense was already good and got better in the offseason
5. Our current third baseman is one of the best in the league
debubba
I think it is competitive. If they sign DK, they will make it competitive. He is built for this park!
kenleyfornia2
Not the biggest of names but its a great job by the Reds. At least they are making an effort not to have a flaming bad rotation
bravesfan88
I have to agree with both kenley and slipknot. U think the Reds have dine a very solid effort of acquiring some arms to help them contend thus season.
At first glance, you see a bunch of #3-#5 type of arms, with some room for growth, but if they can all stay healthy, the Reds may be able to get even more from their starting 5.
They really have 4 possible bounce back candidates that should really improve upon their 2018 numbers.
**I think Castillo really figured some things out during the stretch run of the 2018 season. He very well could prove to be a force in 2019, and I’d expect him to really prove his doubters wrong.
**DeScalfani proved his arm is healthy in 2018, and he was even able to show he was able to add a little to his FB. This off-season he is now going to have to work on getting his feel back for his secondary pitches. If he’s able to put it all together, he’ll be as good as any other #4 for a team that’s looking to contend..
**The best pitcher coming into town is quite clearly Alex Wood. He’s an extremely deceptive lefty, and when facing him opponents say he hides the ball well, and it looks like nothing but legs and arms just flying at you..He has quality stuff, and he also has good control and command of his pitches. If healthy, he should be right there with Castillo as the two headliners of thus rotation. I’d easily book Wood for 14+ wins, and an ERA below 3.60..When healthy, Wood is able to easily put up top 25-35 NL numbers, the Reds will have proven to get a steal, if he’s durable enough to give them 160-170+ innings.
As for Gray and Roark you pretty much know what you’re getting. Each time out both guys are capable of giving you a quality start, and they should bring some veteran stability to this rotation. Bringing in two guys like Gray aND Roark should help their bullpen quite significantly..
On a side note, if one of these guys go down, don’t be sunrises if either Wisler or Sims are able to step in and provide some quality starts. I don’t think either would be a great option over the course of a season, but for a spot start or two both have proven their definitely capable of holding down the fort..Also, Sims may be an intriguing LR option for the Reds. Sims’ stuff was never questioned while moving through the system in Atlanta, he just doesn’t pitch long enough into games, and he doesn’t have the stamina nor pitch sequencing to face hitters 2 and 3 times through the order..However, if he can harness his command out of the pen Sims fastball curve combo could prove to be an option as a LR weapon.
However, even though their new rotation should significantly help out their pen, the Reds really missed out on improving their pen thus far this off-season.
The Reds do have Iglesias, Garret, Hernandez, and Hughes, but they really don’t have any proven options after those 4 guys. They’ll probably have to mix and match to get the most put of their other pen men, but if you’re a team that wants to contend you can’t go into a season with only 4 proven quality options in your pen. That’s if and only if Hughes and Hernandez are able to duplicate their strong 2018 seasons, if not then they’re in quite a bit of trouble..
The Reds strength of their team is clearly their offense, and looking at their roster it doesn’t take long to see how potent of an offense they’re going to field in 2019. They have a very strong quarter of outfielders, and they’ll be able to put together a solid, versatile line-up that should be able to give their starters a lead early and fairly often.
1. Peraza
2. Winker
3. Votto
4. Suarez
5. Gennett
6. Puig
7. Kemp/Schebler
8. Barnhart
I mean, the Reds’ line-up is just absolutely loaded. 1-8 They’re really offensively right there with every other team in the NL Central. It’ll definitely be interesting to see how the Reds line-up is constructed, especially with such a quality mix of LH and RH hitters..
HalosHeavenJJ
Agree on Wood. Saw him plenty of times. Lots of spin and movement on his pitches.
dinglemcCringleberry
The Reds have the 4th best lineup in the Central. Although it is pretty good, the rest of the division is just that much better
Saint Chris
The Reds have a considerably better lineup than the Brewers and Pirates–2 teams with glaring middle infield weaknesses.
slpdajab55
That is so inaccurate. .. I’ll put this Reds line up right there and likely better than everyone’s line up in central. Especially considering their park for 81 games.
thegreatcerealfamine
You’d seriously be out on an island than.
josechelin
The only other central lineup that can equal or better is the Cubs.
daveineg
Arcia was a good hitter down the stretch and in the playoffs and hit a solid .277/.324/.407 in 2017. He was a consensus top 10 prospect in the game. He’s hardly a weakness. As for 2nd base, Brewers have adequate stop gaps until the arrival of it’s top prospect Keston Hiura sometime in 2019. He’s one of the top hitting prospects in the game. Again, not a weakness in their eyes.
I like the Reds lineup a lot, but Brewers have league MVP in RF, one of the best leadoff hitters in the game in CF, a former MVP in left and corner infielders who combined for 67 HR and 194 RBI in 2018.and they added one of the best offensive catchers in the game in Grandal who’ll love hitting in Miller Park.
Koamalu
Batting lineup or starting pitching rotation? If you are saying batting lineup then you are way off base. If you are saying starting pitching rotation then you are on the money.
josechelin
I am hoping that the reds can get TJR. This will be my dream lineup.
1. Jesse Winker
2. J.T. Realmuto
3. Joey Votto
4. Eugenio Suarez
5. Scooter Gennett
6. Yasiel Puig
7. Matt Kemp/ Scott Schebler
8. Pitcher
9. Jose Peraza
Steven Chinwood
Winker is by all means not a CF, and Puig or Kemp aren’t either.
jim stem
Who plays center? Maybe the Reds call the Mets and offer an A ball arm for Lagares if the Mets cover half his contract?
Conman 2
Tell us how you really feel. Your comment is longer than the article.
Fire Jon Daniels
A for effort!
everlastingdave
I’m a little optimistic on all the additions, and if nothing else I admire the aggressiveness. I think they’ll be in the Wild Card mix but I’d enjoy it if this was an “everything breaks right” team and they were better than that.
JayRyder
I think the Red$ are still shopping. . . Why not. With prices going down. And 200 free agents out there. Sure to find another veteran option on the cheap to help a wannbe contending team. !!!
hk27
Reds’ rotation is probably better than the middle choice and worse than the top choice. Gray and Wood have fairly high ceilings, but are quite risky, especially given park issues (Gray’s best years having been in pitcher friendly Colosseum and Wood coming over from Dodgers). Roark, unless things weird out, will probably give a lot of pretty good innings, but not not shelf. The holdovers are all interesting, but risky in various ways, and may not pan out.
All in all, the upside is great, but so are the risks, for each and every one of them. It seems reasonable that, between all of them, a fairly competent rotation could be maintained for most of the season and not insignificant chance that everything would click and they’d emerge as a high quality unit overall, but I wouldn’t bet real money on the latter looking in from the outside.
nste23
It’s a pretty good rotation, but that team likely won’t be in contention.
joeshmoe11
so it’s a pretty good rotation to couple with one of the best lineups…. but they won’t be in contention. What?
petrie000
‘one of the best lineups’ is a bit of a stretch. A lot of the guys they already had had their numbers inflated by their home park and Kemp and Puig aren’t known for their consistency.
Considering they have to leap frog one of the Cubs, Cardinals or Brewers in their own division alone to actually be a contender, it takes a lot of optimism to really buy into the Reds
Hypem
“A lot of the guys they already had had their numbers inflated by their home park”
Votto, Scooter, Suarez, and Schebler all had better Away splits than Home splits last year.
Dbird777
Having 5 guys in the rotation that you can trust to keep you in most games is a huge leap forward from what we’ve had. And the Reds were 2nd in the Central in both hitting and OBP last year.
So, throw in the additions of Puig, Kemp, Senzel and a healthy Winker and Schebler and that’s why the Reds will be major players in not only the Central, but for the playoffs as well.
SnakeX3
If the Yankees/Red Sox/Astros offense was generating run support for these guys, they would not be considered contenders.
baseballdad37
And that without a true Joey Votto
the kutch
This could be the best balanced division in MLB, top to bottom…the Brewers, Cubs and Cards aren’t going to get fat off the Pirates and Reds this season…Could see all 5 teams at .500 or better at seasons end
Colorado Red
while it is not outside the realm of possibility, I think the Pirates will fall short of 500.
A bad break or two, and the Crew is with them.
Reds are close to 500, and if a lot of stuff breaks could win the division
(and a miracle happens the WS)
HalosHeavenJJ
Hope to get 6 innings and have a shot to win the game is the not so new management strategy in baseball.
This rotation should give them that shot more often than not.
sufferforsnakes
Looks better than what they had last year.
ksoze
I like the fact that these 3 additions should get us deeper into games. That should skip middle relief more often, and get straight to the back end of the bullpen.
Closer: Iglesias 2.38 ERA 1.07 WHIP
Set up: Hughes 1.94 ERA 1.02 WHIP
Set up: Hernandez 2.53 ERA 0.98 WHIP
Fireman: Lorenzen 3.11 ERA 1.38 WHIP
I would like to see them pick up another solid bullpen arm to augment these 4.
Dbird777
Agree, though I’m concerned with Mikey Biceps being the fireman. His delivery is just not that deceptive and that WHIP shows that he was lucky to have as low an ERA as he did. Amir would be my hope to take the next step. up in the ‘pen.
Saint Chris
Lorenzen had the highest WAR last season out of that group.
Dbird777
Maybe that’s because he slugged his way to wins lol.
davidcoonce74
WAR isn’t the greatest way to evaluate relievers (because they don’t accumulate enough innings, usually), but it is true that Lorenzen was helped by his offense more than any other pitcher in the game.
sufferforsnakes
WAR is a misleading stat….and a dumb one, too.
davidcoonce74
Explain why?
ksoze
I agree Garrett stepping up in 19 would be huge! Also I like Wisler, hopefully he will get a shot. If not he’s out of options.
jaysfan55
Far better rotation than last year. Still seems below average, but with some upside.
ericl
Is it an improved rotation? Yes, but it is relying on pitchers to have bounce back years in a hitter friendly ball park.. That is not a guarantee. I still don’t think the rotation is good enough for the Reds to beat out the Brewers, Cubs & Cardinals.
mlb1225
The definitely made some good strides to improve their rotation, but also their team in general. As a Pirate fan, it hurts to watch us stand pat while all the teams in the NLC get better.
Monkey’s Uncle
Ditto to everything you said. They’re at least making an effort to fill holes, much more of an effort than the Bucs.
wronghanded
I don’t think they’re done… they need to add one more high upside arm (a Keuchel or Miley type) and hope that at least 2 of the 4 arms they added revert back to their previous, above average production levels. If they add another piece or 2 to their current roster, they just might have a shot at the NL Central crown.
ammiel
add keuchel at say 15mill per year for 2 years, and they are near favs for the division especially if they get realmuto
kozy21
Keuchel at 2yrs/$30MM?!?!?!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
I guarantee you he gets at least 4 years at $17MM+
MLBTR predicted a 4yr/$80MM.
If Keuchel could be had at that price he would’ve been since a month ago.
ksoze
You’re right, that’s way too low. I am guessing he does sign for 3 years, but more $ per year. 3 year 64M
Illusionist
Dont forget the effect the defensive shift has on pitching/ERA. By using extreme shifts compared to little or no shift, there’s a greater emphasis on defense than pitching, since the shift tends to play the defense more back as a result of hard hit balls. Not necessairly a good thing to get used to, Weak contact, groundouts as a result of using a mild to no shift, is preferable. Then we see more of a pitching/hitters duel than defense/hitting.
Koamalu
A #3 Starter, three #4 starters, and a #5 starter. Sorry, that is not enough to compete. You need a stopper. A true top of the rotation starter and none of those guys fit the bill.
Saint Chris
The Brewers won the division last year without anything close to a ” stopper” in their rotation.
Koamalu
Wade Miley and his 2.57 ERA would like a word with you.
The Brewers also had the 3rd best offense in the NL, not the 7th like the Reds did.
Koamalu
The best current starter for the Reds would have been #3 on the Brewers. No one else would have made their top 5 in performance. Reality.
SnakeX3
Congratulations! You have a firm grasp on reality. Prepare to be downvoted by idiots.
Dbird777
Or upvoted by one.
JoshG
which one are you saying is a 3 (wood?) a 5 (roarke?)
Castillo will be a 2,
Gray could be a 2 or a 3 or a 4
Wood is a solid 3, with 2 potential if he can stay healthy
Roarke and DeSclafani are 4’s
Koamalu
League average in the NL was 4.00 ERA, 4.09 FIP, 1.27 WHIP
In the majors it was 4.19 ERA, 4.21 FIP, 1.29 WHIP
To be a #3, you have to be at least average.
Below average and you are a #4 starter.
Gray – 4.90 ERA, 4.17 FIP, 1.496 WHIP
Wood – 3.68 ERA, 3.53 FIP, 1.207 WHIP
Roark – 4.34 ERA, 4.27 FIP, 1.281 WHIP
Castillo – 4.30 ERA, 4.32 FIP, 1.220 WHIP
Descalfini – 4.93 ERA, 4.83 FIP, 1.287 WHIP
Only one guy above average. You could be generous and say he is a #2. Everyone else is below average. Some are substantially below average.
Probably more accurate to say one #2-3, two #4’s, and two #5’s.
josechelin
Not in this baseball era. With a potent lineup and strong bullpen the team can compete. They have enough pitching this year. Just hope they stay healthy. You know how manny games the Reds lost by one and two runs last year, to manny and with no pitching. Go Reds
sportsfan101
They will continue to be a bottom dweller. Did they improve yes. Will it equal more then maybe 5 more wins this season then last, doubtful unless all these pitchers can avoid injury Votto returns to form, kemp stays playing at a high level at his age and cin can handle puig being well puig. Lots of risk but the potential reward is 100% there I just don’t see it all working out and happening.
Frisco500
You sound like a Cubs fan.
WhiteSox4ever
lol
baseballdad37
True that! When he mentioned Miley I choked on hamburger
Koamalu
The Pirates will be firmly in the cellar. The Reds will be in familiar territory at #4 in the Central. The Brewers, Cubs, and Cardinals are just better all around.
MrMet33
This is the definition of a rotation playing up in a place like Oakland and playing down in Cincy. Mid-rotation guys need good defense – which the Reds do not have and also it does not matter with that bandbox.
jbigz12
Wood and Gray were good choices given their above average ground ball rate. Roark I’m a little nervous for. He was essentially free which is probably why he was targeted. Maybe he bounces back.
DougieJones
I like what the Reds have done this offseason.
indiansfan44
Rotation is definitely better but that isn’t really saying much. The guys they have should be solid but still feel they need a top of the rotation type guy whether they get Kuechel or Miley out of free agency or take another shot at the trade market. I think that might be more likely at the deadline if they are in contention. I give them credit for going for it.
JoshG
you said top of the rotation.. then you mentioned Miley, those do not go together
baseballdad37
True that!! When he mentioned Miley I choked on my hamburger!
indiansfan44
Could be just one good year but I watched a couple of his starts last year and he seemed to figure something out. At 31 he is on the older side to be improving that much but a 2.57 era over 81 innings is small but impressive. Based on age and history he would probably be rather inexpensive and could slot into the #2 spot behind Gray.
JoshG
He’d compete with disco and mahle for #5
Koamalu
Your pitching staff is in serious trouble when you slot a guy that had a 4.90 ERA last season and 4.53 the last 3 seasons in as your #1.
Koamalu
2.57 ERA last season. What is TOR to you?
On the list of starters by ERA last season you see Scherzer, Miley, Kershaw.
fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=sta&…
dust44
It’s a lot better obviously… But, they don’t have an ACE. Still not a playoff team and is meh compared to the Cubs in the same division who may b older, but have 3 guys who have been ACEs in the past.
TreyMancini
Why does everyone act like you need an ace? The 2014 O’s made the ALCS with Chris Tillman and Miguel Gonzalez anchoring their rotation. Chris freaking Tillman. In 2012, they made the ALDS with Wei-Yin Chen and Jason Hammel. Teams can make it without an ace. Just look at all the times the Rockies have made the playoffs too.
baseballdad37
Brewers anybody
jbigz12
Both those teams had ELITE bullpens. The reds don’t currently have that. Maybe they’ll make it work but I believe if you’re going to be successful you have to have 1 of the two.
Koamalu
In 2014 the O’s had these guys make 20 or more starts
Tillman – 3.34 ERA
Chen – 3.54 ERA
Norris – 3.65 ERA
Gonzalez – 3.23 ERA
Jimenez – 4.81 ERA
Gausmann – 3.57 ERA
Notice what number all of those ERA’s start with except Ubaldo’s?
Hint, it’s not like all of the Reds starters except one.
Of the top 5 there, the highest ERA in 2013 was Norris at 4.18
Frisco500
Sophomore slump behind him, I think Castillo will settle in and be their Ace by years end.
its_happening
They’re at least a Top 4 team in the NL Central.
AceKing
Maybe…
SnakeX3
Define contend. The Reds will be improved, but they’ll still be 15-20 games off the pace.
I admire ownerships effort to stink less. If only the homeless guy that stands outside my building made the same effort, I’d be a happy man!
Koamalu
Have you offered to let him shower and wash his clothes at your place?
mj-2
I think the Reds have done a tremendous job this offseason
Though I think if they were to sign Keuchel it could put them over the top as a real threat.
They need one more move for a strong starter/top end rotation piece
AceKing
Reds fans are going to be very frustrated this year.
rockrolen65
Don’t forget the Reds are not only making some improvements to the team, they have also completely overhauled their coaching staff, the central is going to be a dogfight if the teams play up to their potential
Gordon Lightfoot
Reds have a rotation of number four starters with number three upside – all of whom now pitch in a bandbox.
thegreatcerealfamine
Not to mention the health concerns.
jbigz12
Castillo has much more upside than that. The other guys I’d agree with
Adam6710
There’s a major league baseball team called the Reds? Who knew.
Wait, Cincinnati? That’s an actual American city? Wow, you learn something new every day…
bravesfan
I mean, the rotation doesn’t exactly blow you away. Lol. They got sims and wisler from the braves. Calling it now, those two will be decent for them. Rather as starters or bullpen.
Yankeepatriot
The reds are relying on a lot of luck this upcoming season but the good news for them is that if this doesn’t work than they are all off the books after the season ends
Cashford64
Except for Gray, but yeah. I fully expect several of them to be traded at the deadline. This team is built to be just good enough to draw interest from the fans, but not good enough to seriously contend. They did this without giving up any of their high-level prospects, specifically because those guys are going to be expected to fill in the roster in 2020, along with whoever they will get in trades at the 2019 deadline.
I believe this was the Reds’ plan from the beginning. All of the moves this off-season have really just been phase one of setting up a contending club for 2020 and beyond.
Adam6710
Most teams rely on luck, or a lot of things breaking right for them. That’s why when Yankee fans cry about not getting Machado, or “only” trading for Paxton, and signing Happ, Britton, DJ, and Tulo, to a team that last season acquired the NL MVP and boasts the 2017 ROY who set the ML record for homers by a rookie, I laugh.
A lot of teams and fans would love to have the Yankees roster.
stansfield123
They finished 29 wins back. Worse, they finished 15 wins behind fourth place.
And the only solid player they added is Puig. He’s a 3 win guy. That’s something, but it’s a long way even to 15, let alone 29. So, odds are, it’s gonna be another last place finish, because all this “activity” is just pointless flailing. This is not how you build a winning team.
Only way it makes sense is if they’re actually setting up for a big summer selloff, to kick off their rebuild. Interesting to see what will happen to Votto, if they do that. Surely, he would want to skip town, and try and get on a winning team to close off his career.
Cashford64
That’s exactly my theory, a summer selloff. It’s not a coincidence that every addition they’ve made this off-season has one year left of control. They aren’t letting these guys walk away for nothing, whether they actually contend this year or not. So, odds are they are being moved specifically to get more young guys to help in 2020.
Votto’s not going anywhere, though.
JoshG
kick off the rebuild? the rebuild started 5 years ago …
and they won’t be trading anyone who has team control left… like Cashford64 said .. they can recoup prospects at the trade deadline , likely better than the ones they gave up by trading the one year guys (puig, kemp, roarke, wood ) and possibly gennett . Unless of everything clicks (castillo becomes and ace, wood and gray pitch like it was 2 years ago, senzel looks great in CF …) and they are in a spot to win the division. then you give it a run and decide which ones to make qualifying offers to next winter and likely get some draft picks as a result
Yankeepatriot
The guys they will trade will not get them much at the deadline though. 2 month rentals have low value as we all know
DarkSide830
you underestimate the potential urgency teams may have for that final piece at the deadline. they gave up very little for these players and any could provide value to a contender if they play up to their potential.
Cashford64
Teams overpay for rentals every single year to try and get themselves over the hump and into a playoff spot. Milwaukee and Oakland will be looking for SP. Cleveland, St Louis and probably Chicago will be looking for OF. St Louis and Boston will be looking for RP. Cincinnati can supply all these needs, and they need to get something back for them. I can’t believe they don’t learn from the mistake they made by hanging on to Matt Harvey last year.
jcraft21
Votto L
Peraza R
Scooter L
Suarez R
Winker L
Puig R
Shebler L/Kemp R
Barnhart S
Reds don’t run much anyway might as well start with a man on base. And unless Votto’s power returns there’s no reason to throw him in the three hole. This is assuming Senzel spends first three weeks in minors
Once he comes up he needs to play basically every day. That is a nice option
bobtillman
If 4 of their 5 number 4 starters pitch like a #2, and the other pitches like a #1, then they’ll contend……..of course you can say that about the KC Royals too……
Koamalu
And the Orioles
joew
I think they’ll be *just okay* Certainly not striking fear into the hearts of opposing team. but not bad enough to think you ‘have to replace’ them. basically a rotation of mid rotation guys.
If the rest of the Reds game is decent, might be good nuff to take’m to .500 (as is)
reflect
It’s a decent rotation, which is a significant improvement over what they had last year: an atrocious rotation. People are down on it because there are no #1’s, but there are also no #5’s. It’s basically a whole staff filled with middle-of-the-rotation guys.
petrie000
I dunno if I’d say they’re down on it so much as just not very high on it. A rotation full of average in a park second only to Coors in terms of being hitter friendly is a little hard to buy into as a contender.
Koamalu
At least 2 of those guys would be a #5 on any contender. Maybe 3.
John Egan
It’s a real push by the Reds… It is a rotation built on the past capabilities by these guys… I like Alex Wood a lot; if he can regain his form and stay healthy he can carry a team as he did for a considerable stretch for the Dodgers. They coveted him when he was with Braves, so the fact that they were willing to let him go speaks volumes to me about him as a pitcher. jmo…
tigertom0210
“fewer” than seventy wins
DarkSide830
pretty impressive the Reds have built the better part of a solid rotation with very little loss of good prospects. well done there.
BrewCrew1302
Rotation is good, not great. Brewers rotation wasnt that good last year and look where they got. This team can flat out hit. Im more intimidated by their bats if you wanna know the truth
Koamalu
Brewers rotation put up a 3.92 ERA as a whole last season. Only one of the guys on the Reds now had an ERA that low and as a whole, they put up an ERA of 4.42 last season. The Brewers had a much better offense last season than the Reds.
lettersandnumbersonly
might have a shot at being a .500 club. not really enough to challenge for division title or one of the WCs though
BrewCrew1302
They are still a few years away. I would love to see the Reds knock the Cubs to the bottom of the division though.
Big Poison
Congrats to the Reds on their 2 new outfielders and the addition of 1 real pitcher to the rotation. Of course they didn’t need an outfielder, and their rotation is different but not much better. This team has 75 wins tops. If everything breaks just right.
But at least you all have hope. Hope that will be gone by Memorial Day.
MCTX
Yes, because Winker, Schebler and a rookie infielder = Don’t need an outfielder
MCTX
Competition is always a great thing. The Reds have a lot of arms going into camp realizing that their job is no longer safe, so expect to see guys competing for their lives. Add one of the best pitching coaches in the game and I think you’re going to see some great strides with a lot of younger guys even if that only means spots in the pen for some guys.
BrewCrew1302
I think a lot of this has to do with getting fans to come in to the stadium. They were 24th in attendance last year. Ownership had to do something drastic to make people spend money on a ticket
jqks
No one knows how next season is going to play out yet obviously, but as a Reds fan, these additions have made me very optimistic. I don’t feel like I have to temper my hope going into April.
For someone who watches a lot of baseball, going into a season knowing the team has at least a reasonable chance of competing, of playing meaningful games in August and September, means a lot.
No one knows if the Reds will have enough to make the post-season yet, but I know a lot of us damn well appreciate being given a real basis for hope for the first time in years. More teams committed to winning is good for all of baseball.
Saint Chris
Looks like a lot of people are hating on the Reds. I wonder who it’s coming from? Jealous Brewers, Cubs, and Pirates fans, sad at their teams lack of off-season improvements, I presume.
MCTX
Imagine how you would feel if you had cancer (Homer) for the last 5 years and you’re now cancer free. Just take that alone into consideration when you think about how overly optimistic Reds’ fans are.
jqks
Did you just seriously equate suffering from cancer to having an overpaid player on your favorite baseball team?
jv92e3
Flexibility and Growth. Both are options for starting rotation as well as hitting lineup. Potential is a beautiful underrated thing. No team in MLB represents more explosive potential than the reds right now.
BigSexy
There is too much instability and hope in that rotation that they will ALL bounce back. Realistically these guys would be 3-5s on other contending teams, with the potential of over performing that.
That said, if they come even close to performing as good as they have at one point shown, they have a strong enough lineup to where that rotation will let them contend. And the best is they have rebuilt it with low-risk, high reward talent without giving up much in value or dollars.
jv92e3
Anybody else hopeful for this lineup:
1. Peraza
2. Realmuto
3. Votto
4. Suarez
5. Winker
6. Senzel
7. Puig
8. Kemp/Schebler
Saint Chris
I would prefer to see Puig batting second, and Realmuto batting sixth. Even without Realmuto, this is a scary good lineup.
1 Peraza
2 Puig
3 Votto
4 Suarez
5 Gennett
6 Senzel
7 Winker
8 Barnhart
ksoze
1 Puig
2 Votto
3 Suarez
4 Gennett
5 Winker
6 Kemp
7 Peraza
8 Barnhart
FishyHalo
Kemp you’d think would be at least 3-5 at the start of the year right?
He hd great numbers to start the year last year, maybe he’ll strike fire again♂️♂️♂️♂️
ksoze
The only argument you could make is him in the 5 hole over Winker, it would also separate 2 lefty’s. Winker was hitting .358 with runners in scoring position.
JoshG
Kemp is the 4th outfielder
JoshG
If they get Realmuto
Winker
Realmuto
Votto
Suarez
Gennett
Puig
Schebler
Peraza
Pitcher
davidmp2
The rotation, as is, will be good enough to compete for a WC spot. Though I’d be concerned about a playoff series. If the pen and lineup are playoff caliber, the Reds still have flexibility to add another starter at the deadline.
ksoze
That’s probably the most accurate statement I’ve read so far. It’s tough to win a playoff series without top end starters.
Solaris601
Just the fact that Homer Bailey is NOT in the mix makes this rotation a whole lot better.
pageian
As a Cub fan I’m happy for the Reds but I don’t like what they’re doing. Most of their imports are there for one year. Why push it now with rentals? Have a descent ’19 then go back to waiting on the farm? I like that they’re trying to win but chances are stacked against them in that respect. What happens after that? Sonny Gray and a lesser farm?
JoshG
Not a lesser farm … either they win this year or they get back (probably better) prospects at the trade deadline
Get Off My Mound
Its no Cueto, Arroyo and Volquez, but that trio still has a lot of upside if it goes in the Reds favor.
FishyHalo
Happy to see the Reds get more competitive.
I like watching good baseball and that NL Central is gonna really competitive, again next season.
jim stem
Wild card worthy with this rotation and the outfield upgrade mixed with the returning infielders?
Painful itch
I’m adopting the Reds as my NL team this season. Lots of excitement for a group that has been sitting on their hands for years and although they may not be WS contenders, give props to them for at least signing a group that will help them be competitive. Senzel Winker Puig Peraza are young exciting players.
KingBong
Good work in Cincy. I like what they have done.
KingBong
Castillo has the stuff to be a boss, Grey was a big upgrade and Wood has shown flashes of brilliance (when healthy) Roark helps round them out with an innings eater.
If everyone stays healthy, this staff will stay in ballgames and you won’t be able to beat up on their staff with a rolled-up newspaper, anymore.
Jock2854
Remember they just took 15 game losses off books buy getting rid of Bailey, add a few more wins by these new additions it might make up to 30 games, I seeing lots of runs scored by this offense.!!