The Giants are still looking for two or even three new outfield additions to their roster, according to ESPN.com’s Buster Olney (Twitter link). At the same time, indications are that the organization isn’t going to be driving the market, in part due to the club’s anticipated position in relation to the luxury tax line.
As things stand, the San Francisco roster is largely devoid of established MLB outfielders. Among the assets on hand, youngster Steven Duggar seems primed for a full chance, Mac Williamson could still get another shot, and Chris Shaw is a potentially interesting prospect, but it’d be tough to enter the season planning to rely on existing options.
With veterans still populating most of the rest of the roster, there’s an argument to be made that the Giants ought to go ahead and spend some coin. The outlook may not be all that promising, but the club already paid for two starters (Derek Holland and Drew Pomeranz) and figures to be stuck in a middle ground of sorts regardless — unless, that is, it starts swinging trades over the next few weeks.
Veterans such as Madison Bumgarner, Brandon Belt, Brandon Crawford, Sam Dyson, Tony Watson, Mark Melancon, and especially Will Smith would all be of varying levels of interest to other teams. Of course, if the plan was to strip down the roster, the process likely would have been kick-started earlier in the still-fresh tenure of president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi.
Even if a trade or two ends up going down, it seems to make sense for the Giants at least to fill out the outfield unit with some plausible names. Just what kind of players they’ll target, and how much they’ll spend, really isn’t clear. If Holland and Pomeranz are a guide, then perhaps they’ll target some blend of stability and upside, with a willingness to spend a bit to put a solid product on the field. Olney suggests, though, that the club may not have much financial room to work with if it hopes to remain beneath the collective bargaining tax line of $206MM. It seems the organization is still well shy of that line, even after accounting for some of the factors noted yesterday by Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle (via Twitter), though it could be that the public assessments are missing something.
Regardless of the math, it appears that the club is mostly inclined to wait out the market for appealing value propositions. Fortunately for Zaidi and company, there’s still an extensive slate of players available via free agency. And while the outfield segment of the trade market has never appeared to be particularly robust, it’s not hard to envision some reasonably interesting younger players becoming available as teams scurry to make their final roster arrangements in advance of camp and then the regular season.
turner9
The Giants can have Kevin Pillar for a relatively cheap acquisition cost and low end salary
RiverCatsFilms
And why would they get a CFer?
turner9
He is perfectly capable to play the corners and fill in CF when required with little to no drop in D
washington_bonercats
SF has needed a center fielder since forever. They’ve been at the bottom of the league from both sides of the ball at that position since Pagans decline in 2012
daveofferson
Duggar isn’t a sure thing and RF in SF is like CF everywhere else anyway…
AlvaroEspinoza 2
PENCE!!!
xabial
“Giants Still Looking For Veteran Outfielders” title I expected to read on The Onion.
BrewCrew1302
Hey, are you a comedian?
Steven Chinwood
Usually I’d say he’l be here all week, but he’s got a permanent MLBTR gig.
BrewCrew1302
parents have hot pockets and capri sun for days…he isnt going anywhere
xabial
BrewCrew1302,
Nasty. (Your example, and, you)!
least my parents raised me.
antibelt
That was out of line Xabial. You’ve been reported. Hopefully they’ll ban your account, and go after the dozen others you have.
Lefty Grove’s right hand
Tough crowd, gets taken off stage by vaudeville hook.
Ironman_4life
Lol. Reported to who? The internet police.
megaj
Uh oh, now you have done it Xabial. You clearly need to be censored and reported to the safe space police! I have never seen such foul language and insulting behavior! Go to your room and apologize immediately!
realgone2
He’s already in his room. He never leaves.
crazywarrior
How about Lucas Duda?
I just love saying his name with a German accent
Dodgethis
Raised implies they are done. Obviously, they are not.
TeddyBallgameYazJimEd
Veteran outfielder… Yankees have this Ellsbury guy..they probably would pickup 90% of his remaining deal just to move him.. he can play with the other outcasts like Pablo Sandoval on the Island of Misfit Toys
milkman
Lol
dimitrios in la
Gosh what a mess this team has become. A July 31 sell off and subsequent rebuild beckon.
jbigz12
Any different than the orioles last season?
dimitrios in la
Jbigz I’m not sure what one has to do with the other actually. But perhaps you can elaborate.
terror661
Yet, you’re still jealous of them….
dimitrios in la
Not sure how we concluded that but perhaps like jbigz you can elaborate (though, as with him, I’m not holding my breath).
jbigz12
You post things praising positives for the orioles all the time and come in and type up a snarky comment for running the team very similar to how the Orioles did last offseason. When it was apparent they weren’t going to win many games. you certainly weren’t typing stuff like that up for the orioles last January were you? I’m an orioles fan as well but it’s laughable how you view their moves v other ML teams.
dimitrios in la
Jbigz I can appreciate some of your explanation. And yet I (however delusionally) thought the O’s would have a good year. Cobb and Bundy especially I expected a lot more from. (Still do this year.) I don’t see that from the Giants, just don’t see much upside. Perhaps others do.
And as for positives about the Orioles, yep there’s been ole ty to actually be positive about. Not last year, for sure, but in the years prior, as well as the years ahead there’s plenty to be positive about.
Paul_25
Giants way better.
HardWorkingAmerican
The thing about a selloff is tht the pieces need to be worth something.
citizen
Hunter pence is still available. I’m sure the giants can trade back for mccutchen. That worked well in 2018, didn’t it.
FullMontilla
Title should read ‘Giants Still Looking for Major League Outfielders’ – we can only hope they find at least one at some point in 2019
Dotnet22
Adam Jones?
bravesfan
Seems like a good fit…
bucketbrew35
Agreed Jones in LF or RF for them makes entirely too much sense.
astromariner
Wouldn’t even have to change his color scheme.
antibelt
Adam already said he doesn’t want to play on the west coast.
stymeedone
Didn’t realize he had options of where he’ll play. Seems like Jones will have to take whats being offered.
Christopher_Oriole
He didn’t want to play in Philly, doesn’t want to play on the west coast…so where is he going to play? 2 year deal to come back to Baltimore?
osfandan
Source? He’s from San Diego.
antibelt
It’s been documented repeatedly. It’s pretty much common knowledge at this point. Plus, he had some bad experiences with the crowd in S.F., one that required management to publicly apologize.
Ironman_4life
Im guessing your sources are nickelodean news? He has publicly said he loves the west coast and would love to be closer to his San Diego home.
dimitrios in la
Exactly.
dimitrios in la
If it’s common knowledge then you I’m sure can provide a “common” source.
FullMontilla
If he’s not careful he could find himself with the Ham Fighters
Rbase
Good shout. Could play right field with Duggar and Shaw as the other 2 outfielders. To me Williamson seems like a 4th outfielder at best, so even a second veteran outfielder like Cameron Maybin or Chris Young would make sense to go after.
Norm Chouinard
I see Williamson as a high ceiling/very high risk case. He retooled his swing last winter and was able to tap into his power until he was injured. It was a small sample but scouts who watched him commented on his approach. I’d like to see what he could do at 100%. Higher upside to me than 2018 Andrew Jones and certainly cheaper. Certainly high bust potential .
imgman09
Jones has said he wants to be in the East besides changing leagues and move to the west,not a good fit,we saw this last year with Longoria who,by the way,will have a better year this year
gomerhodge71
Didn’t Jones call their fans racist?
ABStract
Racist? That’d be surprising
We don’t take kindly to racists ‘round these parts (tips cap, spits)
Jean Matrac
You’re confused. That was Red Sox fans after an incident at Fenway..
Tom E. Snyder
Josh Reddick for Madison Bumgarner.
astromariner
Astros fan and I like Reddick a lot but I’d take that deal in a heartbeat. Not sure why the Giants do that, they can get much more, I’d guess.
milkman
I can’t tell if this is serious I hope not
Tom E. Snyder
Why not?
Yelsnit
That’s too much.
Tom E. Snyder
On which side?
Yelsnit
That’s too much to give up for Snotrocket
snotrocket
Hey now…
Grade_1_teacher
I heard earlier in the off-season that SF was interested in Pillar. He would be a cheap get. He plays great defense even though he can’t hit worth a damn. Get him and Teoscar Hernandez out of Toronto!
basebaIl1600
That would require too much. Shaun Anderson, Joey Bart, Helios Ramos aren’t moving. They are the only prospects giants have with star potential.
mlb1225
Giants wouldn’t have to move any of their highly touted guys for both Hernandez and Pillar. At most it would take a few mid level prospects.
Vizionaire
kole calhoun?
GiantsX3
Please stop with the Calhoun suggestions.
One Bite Hotdog
The free agency has plenty of them.
terror661
The only reasonable comment and no likes. Lol
HummBaby
Even you forgot to like it.
ScottRC
(Me being a Tigers fan): “Um……perhaps Nick Castella….” (Splattered with pies before finishing sentence.) “OK OK NEVER MIND!!!”
ghostrobot
I like castellanos I had a dream that he and I were friends a couple years ago
sergefunction
Before a West Coast game, Castellanos undressed a dreamy young female fan with his eyes while her father and brother loudly called him out for it. No one threw pies.
nuschler22
Link?
JJB
Did he file a restraining order against you in the dream?
“Dear Nick, I wrote you but still ain’t callin’
I left my cell, my pager, and my home phone at the bottom
I sent two letters back in autumn, you must not-a got ’em
There probably was a problem at the post office or somethin’
Anyways, I hope you get this man, hit me back,
Just to chat, truly yours, your biggest fan
This is ghostrobot.”
ghostrobot
More like
Dear Nick I feel like I can call you Nick because you and me are so alike. I’d like to meet you one day, it would be great to have a catch. I know I can’t throw as fast as you but I think you’d be impressed with my speed. I love your hair, you run fast. Did you have a good relationship with your father? Me neither. These are all things we can talk about and more. I know you have not been getting my letters because I know you would write back if you did. I hope you write back this time, and we can become good friends. I am sure our relationship would be a real homerun!
antibelt
Always Sunny. A true classic!
ABStract
Bravo Ghostrobot, put a smile on my face
dugdog83
Haha for real Scott. Outside of Detroit the world hates Nicky C
Melchez
Call Barry Bonds Now!!!
bravesfan
Wish the braves would go after bum and Smith. I think both would be huge for the braves and I definitely think we have the pieces to offer to have a mutually beneficial trade
sf101214
Bumgarner to the Braves for prospects makes sense. I’d hate to see him go though.
southpaw2153
Jacoby Ellsbury is all yours, San Francisco!
yankeefan363
Yes
sf101214
Lol, pass.
antibelt
Madbum for Ellsbury and Frazier.
baseball10
San Fran looking for old, past their prime outfielders….seems awfully familiar
phenomenalajs
The Grandy Man, Curtis Granderson, is available and may have something left in the tank.
oldleftylong
That tank is near empty.
sf101214
Same song, new verse…
trussell
Agreed! “Looking for veterans….” translating to “old” by baseball standards?
WarrenSpahn
How about Al Kaline?
woodstock005
Professional sports now with new quote
Have money will travel ????
All about money and rings
some guy 2
Derek Dietrich could be part of a cheap platoon…
snotrocket
No idea why this hasn’t happened yet.
Christian Larsen
They’re going need 3 of them…
Adam6710
Take my Jacoby Ellsbury, please!
oldleftylong
Nobody.
Adam6710
I guess you didn’t get the joke. Young people…!
Toakland
This site is well aware there is a team just across the bay with real fans, a real stadium and a future right? Oakland is a beautiful city which is a wonderful place to raise a family. The bias that the national media has against the A’s is just sad.
Vizionaire
rememder bart gang robberies?
rycm131
I live a few minutes away from Oakland and am an A’s fan. I have no idea where this place is that you described.
ghostrobot
A real stadium huh like the O.Co where human excrement comes flooding into the clubhouse and dugouts? Let me know what you think about your future when you finish third in your division and billy beans trades Matt Chapman for 3 dudes you’ve never heard of
Rbase
No denying Oakland has the better team at the moment, but the Giant’s stadium is 100 times better and even last year their average attendance was about twice as high as the A’s average attendance (38,965 vs 19,427 according to baseball reference).
As far as I can tell, the media don’t mistreat the A’s at all. They are always seen as the lovable underdogs, which is exactly what they are to most teams.
arc89
SF papers always bash the A’s. A few of them have been for years have been get Oakland out chants. That is because they want to own the bay area and the Giants give them the only 1 team in the city chant. Fact is the A’s hiring Alderson is for the new stadium. Alderson is the guy to get all the contract signs. So they can bash all they want but in a few years it will be the A’s with a new stadium and giants needing to win to keep their stadium full..
Toakland
That’s right. I can tell you’re a smart man by your post. Oakland is the real jewel of the Bay Area and the reason people visit. The A’s outdrew the Giants by millions when they were in Candlestick and that’ll happen again very soon.
Rbase
I meant the national media (from the limited amount of exposure I get since i don’t live in the us), but i can imagine the SF papers being a bit less polite towards one of their rival teams.
I really hope you guys can get a new stadium ASAP, but how would Alderson help with that? He was hired as an advisor to the baseball operations department, right?
Crankyolddude
Sorry, but I live in Oakland and I can guarantee that the A’s will never get a new ballpark in this area unless they agree to build it where the Coliseum is presently located. The Howard Terminal plan is an absolute joke in my opinion, as its in a bad location with less than ideal weather and limited access. The idea of using a gondola to take fans to the park is ludicrous at best, and I doubt anyone will be excited about the prospect of looking at cranes during the games. It wouldn’t shock me to see the A’s follow their O-town breathren out the door at some point in the next half decade, especially when you see the reports that a new ballpark is being planned in Portland that will soon be in need of a team. Oakland is a great place to live, but its no longer a viable big league market…
petfoodfella
I’ve been to the Bay Area 4 times in the last 15 years on pleasure. Never once did I go to Oakland.
It’s a dump.
petefrompp
Crank is on the money- Oakland political leadership ( Oxymoron ) is inept. Oakland will soon be without any professional franchises- its not the fans fault- Oakland has some of the best fans out there- and when the Haas family owned the A’s they were one of the best stewards of the game.
When the Giants were rescued by the Magowan group to stay in the bay- the Haas family “lent ” the Giants the southbay territorial rights so the Giants could get financing for the new ballpark- its a crime the Giants never returned those rights and blocked the A’s move to San Jose.
Unfortunately it doesn’t make fiscal sense to deal with the politics of Oakland- I doubt they will ever build a new stadium- I agree that Portland is probably where they land. Its a shame but Oakland doesn’t want them.
Frisco500
Toakland.. you’re delusional. The raw sewage leaking in your stadium is very fitting for the city of Oakland. I dont judge based on media reports. I am going off of facts. I am from the Bay, and I have seen too much for you to sell me these tickets. Oh, and the pollution in the east bay is also disgusting. To go along with the traffic and crime rate, stadium, and A’s ownership. But I like the Fox Theater and Too Short. So theres that.
arc89
Please the exact same can be said for SF. Last time I took Muni to a game there the bus was full of homeless. The BART station near the stadium was full of bums asking for money. Outside there were tents up a few blocks from the stadium. So please stop pretending about how great your city is when the same thing can be said for SF.
pustule bosey
man, the only thing more annoying than Yankees fans are a’s fans, they always pick fights that don’t exist
ABStract
Thank you!
What a bunch of crybabies!
They always crap on the Giants when it’s their own ownership that keeps them down, so sorry the Giants have quality owners that finance their own $h!t. How terrible of them
And this bad fan narrative is ridiculous
You never hear Giants fans bashing A’s fans out of nowhere, but boy the A’s fans can’t wait to start talkin smack
Is that what makes a good fan?
The Giants and A’s aren’t even in the same league, can’t we all just root for our own team and not have to attack anyone that likes another?
I mean, at least differentiate between the team and the fans. Although I hate the Dodgers team, A’s fans are by far the worst in the MLB. Delusional, holier than thou, confusingly aggressive, self righteous…just to hide their obvious insecurities about their team that hasn’t won anything in 30 yrs…
(Mic drop)
arc89
Now that is funny you say you never hear Giant fans bashing A’s fans then you go off bashing A’s fans. That is either irony or you don’t even know what you wrote. Giant fans do bash A’s fans all the time. There were 5 comments before your comment bashing A’s fans by giant fans. Ever read SF gate? Even if they are not playing each other a giant fan or 2 will post on A’s page bashing them. I just point out the irony that if you complain about Oakland SF is no different with homeless and beggers.
Jean Matrac
What’s ironic is this is a post about the Giants. Then we see A;s fans claiming that Giant’s fans are the ones that bash their team. Why are you posting about the A’s on an article about the Giants?
champion1701
The Portland Athletics are sounding more and more likely to happen, especially after the hilarious ballpark render, they definitely do not seem serious to build another park in Oakland.
arc89
Where do you get your information from? The A’s are getting closer and closer to building the new stadium. They are now going through the legal parts of the new stadium like environmental reports and put down serious money for it to be happening. So please tell us your source that says different?
ColossusOfClout
Nah, if they ever leave Oakland it will be to Las Vegas not Portland.
antibelt
I wish Portland. It’s a beautiful city.
gmenfan
With comments like that, you should change your name to “Tokeland.”
DTD
Them and the Braves may be a good match for a trade. Either Watson or Smith for Duvall and a mid and low tier pitching prospect?
thethrill
You do know that SF drafted Duvall in ’10, then traded him to Cin in ’15, doubt they would want to trade Watson or Smith for him and his .195 avg.
RunDMC
I wonder if with a tweak and regular playing time if he could be Khris Davis-lite. He was certainly on his way to that until 2018 that I believe was derailed from a trade where he never got acclimated in part because of not having regular ABs. Sure, an excuse, but there’s something to be said about being comfortable and getting regular playing time, especially in a new clubhouse/city.
jbigz12
WHAts the excuse for not hitting in Cincy last year? .
thethrill
I get the thought but in 331 AB in Cin last year he hit 205, only got 53 AB’s in ATL. All his HR’s last yr were at Cin, I think Great American HomeRun park is why he had 2 – 30+ HRs yrs.
jbigz12
A quick look at Duvall’s splits from 16 and 17 when he hit 30 bombs would quickly dispell that theory. In that time he hit 10 more HRS on the road than he did at home. Not only would that show the power is real it’s quite odd to see any hitter have splits like that. I don’t question his power but he has to make enough contact for that to be useful. Chris carter isn’t employed either and he has every capability to hit 45 HRs.
DTD
Them once drafting Duvall has nothing to do with bringing him back, especially since this is a totally new regime.
Jean Matrac
True, except the new regime is more analytics driven than the old one, and Duvall is not highly regarded analytically .
rycm131
Better late than never?
Cardinalsfan4ever
Dexter Fowler would fit great.
ghostrobot
No dude lol
petfoodfella
Waiting for MLBTR to complain about the Giants wanting to stay below luxury tax for washed up OF’ers lol
BronxBombers22
Yankees should:
Sign Harper
Trade hicks to SF.
Also could offer them ellsbury + prospects and cash.
They might go for it….
Chicks Dig the Longball
Are you playing Harper in CF? Go home, you’re drunk.
KnicksFanCavsFan
Hicks should not in anyway shape or form be traded. Why some of my fellow yanks fans constantly offer him in trades befuddled me. Gardner should not start in CF (or even LF really) and Harper is not a CF. If anything, if he had a good 2019, the yankees should look to extend him.
dobsonel
Yeah I don’t know why either. I also don’t know why so many Yankee fans think we need a first baseman. Voit clearly earned the spot. He was on pace for 82 HR’s over a full season. A 60% regression and he’s still a 30 HR guy.
Chicks Dig the Longball
Okay here is why you shouldn’t trust Voit to continue what he was doing.
1. He had a 40% flyball/hr rate. This is insanely high. He has a career minor league rate of about 11%, which means he will not have a 60% regression, more like a 75% regression.
2. He had a ISO of .350 while averaging an ISO of about .180 in the minors. This means you can half the number of extra base hits (20). By the way he had 15 hrs and on 5 doubles. That ratio is incredibly skewed and further shows that his hr rate will not continue.
3. He had a BABIP of .365 last year which is .060 higher than his track record at the Major Leagues and the MLB average. Given his hitting profile a .305 BABIP would seem like a realistic hope for him over a full season. Lowering his .322 average to about .260.
4. Last year in only 1/3 of a season he graded out as a crappy 1B, which isn’t a huge deal as most 1B are bad fielders, but there is nothing he is doing with his glove to save any mediocrity at the plate.
So in conclusion, he will most likely be a .260ish hitter with a .322 OBP with 18 or so HRs and plays a bad 1B. That is not an everyday player. Sure, if he was a SS, he would be something special, bit as a 1B, he replacement level. He would make a solid weak side platoon, or a RH bat of the bench, but a championship team should not be rolling him out there everyday.
alexgordonbeckham
In before a Cubs fan makes a terrible lop-sided Jason Heyward suggestion.
Chicks Dig the Longball
Cubs sign Harper. Trade Heyward for Bumgarner.
stymeedone
@alex
Now see what you did. Bad Alex!
megaj
Too late, it was the first thing I did lol! Hey, at least mine was reasonable….
RicoD
I’d go Derek Dietrich as the prime target, respectable season last year and under 30. You can probably lock him up for 2-3 years at $3-5m a year. Robbie Grossman has a similar profile, slightly less production and probably a cheaper price
Adam Jones would be great on a 2-year pact but he’s probably looking for more than what the Giants are willing to give. Austin Jackson would be a budget version, much less production but much cheaper.
basebaIl1600
Austin Jackson was absolute garbage in SF. They’d let Hunter Pence have a shot at the starting job before they ever touch Jackson.
123redsox
They could go out and bring both Jackson and pence in on minor league deals to compete with Mac, Shaw and Dugger for playing time in the spring
basebaIl1600
We then find out that this is a mystery team on Harper. Outta LF BOOM Harper in the Orange and Black. Sneaky move Zaidi, sneaky move.
arc89
Only way Harper is playing for the Giants if they give him a $350 million 10 year deal. they would need to outbid every team that is after him by a big amount. That is why the Giants are not listed as a suitor.
stymeedone
since no one is offering what they are asking for, all they have to do is be the high bidder. Borass won’t let them leave money on the table.
basebaIl1600
In all seriousness I see a reunion between them and Pence coming soon. League minimum with incentives. Has more upside than most free agents considering how well he did in winter ball and the fact that he completely changed his swing this offseason. His stance is modeled off of Justin Turner now, which is odd.
digimike
I’m pretty sure that this article was written in November 2018.
nuschler22
I think I am reading the same comments from then too.
SheltonMatthews
It’s the same article for the past 20 years, just filled in with different names at this point. They’ve been rotating vertebrae outfielders since Bonds came. Ellis Burks, Marquis Grissom, Pat Burrell, etc etc etc. wash rinse repeat.
williemaysfield
Burrell had a magical 2010 and Burks had a 3 and a 4 win season with below average defense. Burks crushed the ball as a Giant with a 151 ops+. I was disappointed when they didn’t resign him.
gmenfan
Or 2017.
Or 2016.
Or …
bucketbrew35
I think ultimately they should have started blowing this thing up at the 2018 trade deadline. The team had a great run. Better than most. But the longer they prolong this, the more it will feel like the 2012-2018 Phillies.
chuckc
Cubs trade Heyward,Chatwood and Happ for Smardiza and Melconancan.Then sign Harper
pustule bosey
i wouldn’t give up anything big for Hayward and his contract but a salary swap like that would work and i think chatwood would have a lot more success in sf
twentyforty
Why? The floating strike zone is the same in SF.
Kk3445
I’d be ok, as a Cubs fan, with this trade happening. Not likely though. I can see some combination of Adam Jones, Dietrich, Pence, and Chris young if they’re looking for short term fillers. Marwin Gonzalez would be a pricier option, but could definitely help SF.
disadvantage
Upvoting this comment strictly for spelling “Melancon” as “Melconancan”.
alexgordonbeckham
And they’d still be over the luxury tax.
williemaysfield
Sarge and Melancon are owed 67.m. Chatwood and Heyward are owed 111m. Is happ and Heyward worth taking on 44m? I doubt the Giants make this trade, but I like the direction with contract swaps
Hoostino
Can anyone tell me what’s wrong with Robbie Grossman? I haven’t seen him play much, but his numbers don’t look too bad.
stymeedone
Bad defensive outfielder.
Wade Herbers
MN fan here. Terrible outfielder. No range , no arm. Works counts as batter , but little power. Takes a lot of walks and also lots of 3rd strikes. On base % is good though.
milkman
Cargo and Jones
martras
Denard Span didn’t hit well in SF, but he’s a veteran who could be signed on the cheap who has produced over the last 2 years. His defensive metrics looked worse than they should have which dropped his WAR. Otherwise, I expect his option would have been picked up.
Carlos Gonzalez will be very cheap as well. Terrible splits away from Coors, but when you’re looking for a veteran who is better than AAA replacement level on the cheap, he’s a better option than most.
hiflew
Splits are the worst thing to look at with Colorado hitters. Coors Field is so unlike every other park, they are just meaningless. Matt Holliday did fine once he left Coors. Larry Walker, Ellis Burks, and Dante Bichette did practically the same once they left despite their advanced ages. Tulowitzki was poor in Toronto, but that was mainly due to injury.
Carlos Gonzalez has already been on a downward slide. If he fails away from Coors, it will have nothing to do with Coors, just his own natural decline. As much as I’d hate to see him in a Giants uniform, that is probably the best place for him right now.
adshadbolt1
They need someone to play center
Cashford64
His name is Steven Duggar
Halos2021WSChamps
Calhoun …………..
supertrucker247
the Yankees will literally give you Jacoby Ellsbury and want nothing in return
Ryan W
Does he Giants front office even have a game plan?
WarrenSpahn
I’m guessing Larry Baer has already blocked a number of Zaidi’s trade proposals…
davemlaw
Here are some cheap OF possibilities that would make the Giants better than current roster:
Cameron Maybin CF
Melky Cabrera LF or RF
Marwin Gonzalez LF or RF
Marwin Gonzalez would not be cheap but wouldn’t break the bank either. His power, versatility and being a switch hitter would be a great addition.
Maybin can still play CF and put up average on base %. Cabrera put up over 2+ WAR last year and can still play.
Duggar and Shaw as extra OF and allow them to ease into starting roles.
Just some ideas. Certainly better than the almost non-existent activity seen from the Giants so far.
If the Giants could have traded Bumgarner for a good haul they would have done so already. So rather than linger in the middle and do nothing, get some cheap veteran players and give the rest of the team some hope and a chance to compete this year.
martras
I’m not sure where your Melky Cabrera data is coming from. Did you accidentally look at Miguel? Melky produced -0.1 fWAR (-0.3 bWAR) in 2017 and 0.4 fWAR (0.0 bWAR) in 2018 for Cleveland while spending half the year in AAA on MiLB contracts with no suitors.
Maybin is probably a legitimate bare bones option as I’m sure he would take a paltry offer of the league minimum just for the chance to have an MLB contract, but he shouldn’t be expected to perform above replacement player level even given his defense.
Gonzalez isn’t in the same category as those guys at all. He’ll probably command a 3-4 year contract at $12-15M per year.
davemlaw
Yeah, my bad, I thought his numbers were better last year.
martras
I thought you might have had a brain fart and input Miguel. I’m sure I’ve done it before.
Anyway, yeah, it’s been a really rough couple years for Melky.
Cashford64
LOL Melky is NEVER coming back to SF.
Solaris601
I just have this feeling in my gut that if SF is looking for veteran OFs (as it seems they perpetually are), they’re eventually gonna make a deal with the Mets to bring Gregor Blanco back which is no solution as everyone should know by now. Maybe with Zaidi calling the shots the Giants can finally move on from players for a change.
bbatardo
Looks like the Giants are going with the let’s see how 2019 goes if a lot breaks our way we will play it out but if we struggle we’re tearing it all down and selling assets come all-star break.
tc55
I agree
stymeedone
If they wait it out thru spring training, there will be out of option players available on the cheap. Mikie Mahtook would be a better choice than what was suggested above, and plays adequate defense.
jakethesnizake
Obviously Ellsbury is the solution to all their woes.
ColossusOfClout
ABSOLUTELY!
worthington
Stability and upside? Hahaha.
Jeff Todd
Why is that ridiculous to you?
worthington
FA OFer avail after Harper Marwin suck. Given an option, hitters will go to a contender or hitters park.Giants offer neither. They will be lucky to get garbage like 35 yr Chris Young
terror661
You seem to have it all figured out. I can’t imagine how a GM let your knowledge slip through the cracks….
Cashford64
Hmm…
Title reads: Giants Looking for Veteran Outfielders
What commenters saw: Giants Looking to Take My Team’s Garbage Outfielders.
talking baseball
There is a lot of baseball know it all’s that are making way to many stupid proposed signings and trades.
1.) LET THE KIDS PLAY !! Especially if you don’t plan to contend.
2.) BRANDON CRAWFORD HAS A NO TRADE CLAUES IN HIS CONTRACT AND ISN’T GOING ANYWHERE.
Please know your facts before showing your baseball ignorance.
Sorry but having to read some of these comments is a waste of time.
baseballwarshipper
3..) LET THE KIDS PLAY IN THE MINOR LEAGUES!! At least until you’re out of contention.
4..) BRANDON CRAWFORD HAS A NO TRADE CLAUSE IN HIS CONTRACT AND PLAYERS WITH NO TRADE CLAUSES GET TRADED ALL THE TIME.
5.) ALWAYS LOL AT THE DUNNING-KRUGER EFFECT!!
megaj
Trade proposals and dumb comments offend you? You just described 95% of everything here including the stories the writers leave us every day. Best to just keep searching for a more intellectual forum, I mean why torture yourself? Good luck in your journey.
kreevich
Should have signed AJ Pollock, as my prediction said you should.
ck420
Bring back Span and Pence roll the dice one more time lol
fuzzysocksredbird
Jose Martinez for Will Smith
megaj
One of the few teams that can take Heyward if Cubs eat 10M? I know I am dreaming, but SF and maybe the Indians are the only ones in all of MLB that it at least makes a little sense. They could throw in Bote to sweeten the deal for Will Smith.
Led Hoyer
Heyward is in his prime, he is a veteran, he is a club house guy, he has + defense and potentially great upside. He was very good in Atlanta and St. Louis. There is is a reason the cardinals and cubs both offered him a ridiculously lucrative contracts. I have no clue what has happened in Chicago but he isn’t exactly over the hill. Could potentially to get back to 3+ war guy.
jim stem
Come on, Mets, eat half of the Lagares contract and get an A ball player or one of those younger Giants’ outfielders. Anything…
jim stem
Fantasy time. Mets trade Lagares, Cecchini, d’Arnaud, Matz, Frazier, Nimmo and 10 million to the Giants for Bumgarner, a reliever and low level prospect? Giants lose Bumgarner after this season anyway. Replace him with Matz, get three outfielders and a catcher and 3b. They can flip Frazier, d’Arnaud and Lagares in June and still have Matz and Nimmo…
csspackler
Truly a fantasy worthy of a Tolkien trilogy.
Baumgarner is nowhere close to the value Giants fans believe.
Also, Cecchini was released the other day. You can have him for nothing.
gmenfan
Neither is Bumgarner.
DougieJones
Zaidi just left the Dollar Store disgruntled with the prices. He’s off to Good Will. Stay tuned.
joepanikatthedisco
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
The3ofDiamonds
As a Giants fan based on how this season is shaping up I’d rather then just go with Williamson, Duggar, and Slater and see if they are actually major league players. Each has shown it at times. Now’s the time to find out; while the team isn’t competitive. Unlike signing an old pitcher who you might be able to flip at the deadline for some prospects it’s unlikely they would find much value with a mid 30s OF. Also think they should start with Shaw in the minors and call him up later in the season so they can limit his MLB service time. Maybe there is some former highly regarded prospect out there who never really got a shot that gets DFA and the Giants can scoop them up but aside from that my vote is start some youngerish guys and see if you hit the lottery on one of them instead of filling the gap with a mid 30s guy on a 1 year deal.
WarrenSpahn
totally agree. give Williamson, Duggar, and Slater each an extended run to begin the season. find out if they are big league players or not. not really impressed with any of them so far…
Jean Matrac
I’d like to see what those guys can do as well, and no doubt we will. But that’s too much of a gamble to take without some back up options. They need more guys for depth, and for competition in ST.
The3ofDiamonds
What’s the gamble really though? There isn’t much likelyhood that they will be competitive. So there really isn’t much risk. And like I said maybe you get lucky and one of those guys actually pan out. If not they can move on and not look back.
WarrenSpahn
the gamble is they’re bad and the Giants win about 70 games…
Jean Matrac
It’s a gamble because they aren’t tanking. They are still going to try and win. They aren’t as bad as people think. Don’t forget that last season, when everything that could go wrong did, they were only 5 games out of first in mid-August. I agree that a PS berth is unlikely, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility, should a lot of things go right. Suppose Bum, Samardzija, and Pomeranz bounce back, Rodriquez and Suarez progress, Holland holds his own and they’re pitching well with a decent IF, but the OF let’s them down game after game. It is a gamble, because they aren’t doing a full rebuild, and they aren’t tanking.
The3ofDiamonds
Vegas has the over/under on wins this season at like 73 wins right now. What “veteran outfielder” do you think the Giants could sign that moves that number in a meaningful way?
The3ofDiamonds
I just think we are delusional if we think this team is competitive. I’m not saying they tank or fully rebuild or whatever but this team isn’t making the playoffs and we are better off seeing if these guys are part of the future or not. Going out and signing Carlos Gonzalez, Carlos Gomez, Parra, or any of these other OF who are in their mid 30’s doesn’t push them over the hump and they won’t be around when the Giants are contending. The best case scenario if you sign a player like that is they have value and you can flip them at the deadline, just like I suspect they are hoping they can do with Pomeranz.
kyleallen
Cameron Maybin seems like he would be an ok pickup.
Maybe Scott Schebler of the Reds, they have Winker, Kemp, Puig already for the corners, if they decide to play Senzel in CF, Schebler could be expendable.
Another guy to keep an eye on is Dalton Pompey of the Bluejays, he is out of options and I doubt he will make the roster…He was highly rated in the Jays system but injuries have derailed him, a change of scenery might be good for him
bryan_22221
Mike Aviles is one of my best friends and plays slowpitch softball with me now and tears it up in the OF haha! He’s a veteran, maybe I should tell him to call the Giants!
megaj
I know its the wrong thread, but there is a lot of noise coming from LA. I think we might see something big here happen either late today or tomorrow. The question is will it be J.T. or B.H.?
Luke-Eye
What about working a deal with the Cubs to trade for J-Heyward. Maybe move some bad contracts around to make it work. I could see him fitting nicely in right field for the Giants.
tc55
Not to change the subject but what are the Giants going to do about back up catcher? Is it going to be Bart, A. Garcia or somebody else? They could sign Hundley or trade Belt for some outfield help and move Posey tp first. That makes sense especially after Posey is coming back from hip surgery.
Jean Matrac
It won’t be Bart, He might get a Sept. call-up, but I doubt he’ll be up until 2020, and may not even break camp then. Moving Posey to 1B, if he;s healthy, is not getting the most value out of him. You weaken 2 positions, catcher, and 1B, by moving Posey to first.
tc55
Being older and having hip surgery ,it is time to move Posey. I am sure he is going to have less time behind the plate than he had last year so really losing his expertise at catcher this year is a mute subject. The hip is not going to get better playing games at catcher and I think his hitting skills out weight his defensive skills so moving him to first would give him more at bats to help the ball club. You would get rid of part or all of Belt’s contract plus gain some potential prospects and maybe a valuable veteran. OF.
Jean Matrac
You’re completely undervaluing the position of catcher, the most important position on the field. It’s not smart to move an elite catcher to the least important IF position where he would be, at best, an MLB- average first baseman. Posey is a gold-glove catcher, but he is not as good a defender at 1B as Belt, so you’re defensively weakening 2 positions.
No one, including you, knows how well the hip will respond, but from what I’ve seen written it’s reasonable to expect a positive outcome, and Bochy has always given him regular rest, so it is anything but a moot subject (hint: it’s not mute).
Belt has value, He has a career 124 OPS+, and a career wRC+ of 125, making him about 25% better than MLB average, and he’s elite defensively. There’s no point is just “getting rid of Belt’s contract”, unless the Giants are getting something decent in return. Like Bumgarner, it’s better for them to hold on to him than trade him for a less than reasonable return.
Plus, it’s just not going to happen anyway. Posey wants to catch, and he’ll do so until he’s physically unable to. And Zaidi is an analytics guy, and Belt grades out well by the numbers. If you’re hoping Belt gets traded, don’t hold your breath.
williemaysfield
Why not just put Belt in LF. Excellent onbase skills and ok defense
tc55
Posey has played in 228 games at first base during his career and committed only 9 errors.I am not confident Belt would do very well starting in LF. Bottom line Posey does not need to play one more game behind the plate.
Jean Matrac
Errors? Not the best determinant of defensive prowess. At 1B Posey has career DRS and UZR/150 of 5 and 5.1. Belt’s numbers are 54 and 6.1. Now granted, DRS is cumulative and Belt has played a lot more at 1B than Posey. But it’s just over 4 times more, which would give Posey about a 20 to 21 DRS to Belt’s 54. Plus Posey has a career 107 DRS at catcher. Why would anyone want to lose that elite defense behind the dish by moving the guy to first? That’s just stupid baseball.
muskie73
The Giants can have nearly 32-year-old three-time All Star outfielder Jay Bruce for nearly 26-year-old righthander Tyler Beede, a former first-round draft pick who last year posted an unsightly 7.02 ERA in 33 appearances with Triple A Sacramento.
Or not. 😉
Jerrybats19
Tigers would love to trade castellanos
KingBong
The San Fran OF is an unmitigated disaster.
Duggar has promise, Slater has shown some stroke, but this team has got to get some help if they plan to win.
Who has the worst OF in all of MLB…Giants or Indians? Even the Mets OF is better than what these two teams are fielding.
zimerust
Brooks Conrad.
Now THAT was an unmitigated disaster.
Cardinals17
How about Derrick Fowler of the Cardinals?