3:45pm: Grandal’s contract actually contains a 2020 option, per Fancred’s Jon Heyman (Twitter link). He’ll earn $16MM in 2019, and his option is also for $16MM with a $2.25MM buyout. It’s a mutual option, ESPN’s Jeff Passan tweets. As he notes, mutual options are virtually never exercised by both parties.
Jan. 14, 2:59pm: The Brewers have officially announced the signing.
Jan. 9, 10:16pm: Yahoo’s Tim Brown reports that Grandal will be guaranteed $18.25MM in 2019 (Twitter link).
10:06pm: The Brewers are in agreement on a contract with free-agent catcher Yasmani Grandal, reports Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (via Twitter). It’s a one-year contract for Grandal, however, which pales in comparison to the four-year contract that was reportedly offered by the Mets earlier this offseason. Rosenthal adds that the deal is still pending the completion of a physical.
Clearly, the decision to spurn a four-year offer from New York looks especially regrettable now, even if, as Fancred’s Jon Heyman tweeted yesterday, the Mets’ offer was actually for a bit less than the initially reported $60MM figure. The exact size of the proposed guarantee isn’t known, but USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets it was in excess of $50MM, and Rosenthal tweets that the Mets’ offer could have reached $60MM in total value, presumably indicating that there were some incentives or escalator clauses at play.
It’s still possible, of course, for Grandal to come out ahead over the 2019-22 seasons. A strong showing with the Brewers could yet net him a lucrative multi-year deal in free agency next year — when he won’t have a qualifying offer attached to his name. A three-year offer in the range of $13-14MM per season next winter would effectively recoup the money Grandal’s camp turned away, and it’s hardly unthinkable that he could deliver a strong enough performance to land another four-year offer a year from now and actually earn even more.
For Milwaukee, getting an upgrade of Grandal’s caliber on a one-year pact was likely something they never envisioned as a possibility when the offseason began. Many expected him to land at least a three-year contract, and we at MLBTR predicted that he’d land a four-year, $64MM deal which apparently checks in just north of what the Mets offered him earlier this winter. A one-year deal simply never seemed likely.
As a revenue-sharing recipient, the Brewers will forfeit their third-highest selection in next year’s draft as penalty for signing Grandal. That’s a fairly small price to pay for a win-now club that has successfully upgraded one of its most glaring deficiencies, though, especially when considering the fact that they already traded their Competitive Balance pick (No. 39 overall) to acquire Alex Claudio in a trade with the Rangers. Because of that deal, Milwaukee’s third-highest selection is their third-round pick — currently No. 104 overall in the draft.
Milwaukee catchers combined to post a meager .237/.294/.363 batting line with 16 home runs in 637 plate appearances last season. Grandal, meanwhile, hit .241/.349/.466 in full-time duty with the Dodgers last season, meaning he should provide the Brew Crew with a substantial boost in terms of both on-base percentage and overall power. Salvador Perez was the only catcher in baseball with more home runs than Grandal’s 24 big flies last season, and no catcher (min. 300 PA) topped Grandal’s .225 ISO (slugging percentage minus batting average). In other words, the Brewers are quite arguably getting the game’s most powerful catcher.
On the defensive side of the coin, most casual onlookers will surely recall Grandal’s disastrous postseason, during which he yielded three passed balls before eventually ceding playing time to backup Austin Barnes for a second consecutive October. But Grandal has prevented stolen bases at a league-average or better rate in each of the past four seasons, and there’s no catcher in baseball who has consistently graded out as strongly as Grandal in terms of pitch-framing. The postseason passed-ball issues aren’t exactly a total hiccup for Grandal, who has thrice led the National League in passed balls allowed, but his adequate throwing and elite framing have nevertheless led to consistently top-shelf ratings in Baseball Prospectus’ Fielding Runs Above Average category. Grandal is also perennially among the league leaders in Defensive Runs Saved at catcher, with a collective +45 DRS across the past four seasons.
For the Brewers, he’ll serve as an unequivocal upgrade over the previously projected pairing of Manny Pina and Erik Kratz and deepen a lineup that already ranked sixth in the National League in on-base percentage and second in home runs. The Brewers aren’t set to lose any key members of the lineup with the exception of midseason acquisition Mike Moustakas, so they’ll essentially be adding Grandal to the same lineup that proved to be one of the NL’s best in 2018.
From a payroll perspective, Grandal will push the Brewers’ Opening Day projection to $123.5MM, as Jason Martinez outlines at Roster Resource. That mark would shatter the Brewers’ previous franchise record, as the organization has only twice had a $100MM+ payroll in its entire history — in 2014-15 when the Opening Day payrolls checked in at $103.5MM and $104.3MM. Of course, the Brewers have a bit more funds at their disposal having just completed a deep postseason run. That NLCS appearance also makes it easier for Mark Attanasio to spend aggressively, as his team is now firmly past its rebuilding phase and is a widely projected playoff contender.
The Dodgers, meanwhile, will stand to gain a compensatory draft pick after Competitive Balance Round B. Currently, that round runs through the 78th overall selection, though further free-agent machinations could slightly alter the exact placement of picks. Regardless, the Dodgers will add a pick in the late 70s or very early 80s as compensation for losing Grandal.
It’s at least somewhat curious that the Dodgers wouldn’t make an effort to bring Grandal back on a one-year deal, now knowing that was an option he was willing to consider. Perhaps Grandal simply wasn’t interested in returning to L.A., or perhaps the Dodgers soured on Grandal after his ongoing passed-ball issues. However, the catching position is still a glaring need in Los Angeles, where Barnes is currently lined up as the starter but neither of the organization’s top catching prospects, Keibert Ruiz and Will Smith, are ready for a look at the MLB level just yet. The Dodgers have myriad other options available to them, both in trade and on the free-agent market, but they were willing to risk Grandal accepting a $17.9MM salary just a few short months ago.
Yaaay leaving LA
This dude was the second best catcher (just under Realmuto last season). This dude is amazing and gets to go to a good hitters park and a championship caliber team
dude was the second best hitter who played catcher. He’s not a very good catcher but, he can hit
Depends on if you’re talking about power or contact, cuz Posey would beg to differ. Grandal had more power, but posey was definitely the better contact hitter, posey just didn’t get any runners on in front of him very often.
How about just overall, Posey was barely better than league average as a hitter last year. Guy put up a a 106 OPS+. Nothing to write home about.
Grandal on the other hand – 120 OPS+
Grandal is alsona steroid cheat who forgot how to catch the ball in the playoffs. He’s not worth a big investment.
@atuck Posey was hurt all of last year and ended up having season ending surgery. He played through the pain and put up some career low numbers. However I think he will bounce back next year.
Posey’s contact skills didn’t diminish; he lost his power because he needed to fix his hip; which he did this offseason. Assuming the surgery was successful and he feels strong; it’s not unreasonable to expect he’ll regain some power once the summer months are in full swing. He’ll never be his 2012 self again, but 2017 isn’t unreasonable, and that’s a damn fine season for any catcher.
Stupid comment, but great name. You earned…..1 upvote.
Agreed
Top 3 pitch framer every single year. The dude is great back there. This is an insane bargain for the brewers.
Key word Posey was , isn’t any more , on downward trend.
He sat much of the last 2 post seasons behind Austin Barnes. Hitting hr’s in the first half of the season and then turning into a K machine and defensive liability is not what I call the second best catcher in baseball. 18 mil, hope you like him Milwaukee because that’s money not well spent.
Proof please? Haven’t seen anything on steroids associated with Yas.
You’re an idiot.
nydailynews.com/sports/i-team/padres-catcher-hit-p…
And he;s so good he get’s benched in the playoffs for being inept
So, you’re saying he forgot how to play his position late in his 7th season?
Not sure about the Brewers being a championship caliber team.
They just finished with the most wins in the NL and 1 game from the World Series.
We were one game away last season. Our team has an amazing bullpen, a deep lineup, and a good starting rotation (which everyone seems to forget).
La isn’t that good. They beat up on the padres and the giants.
Their starting lineup is definitely not “good.” Over achieving, yes. Good, not even close. The brewers will finish behind the cubs and cards this year. Maybe even the reds. Keep wasting money like this and they’ll be back to the brewers of the 90s. But, being a pathetic franchise, maybe that’s where they are most comfortable
Why on earth do people think the reds will be any good at all? Took on a bunch of money to maybe win 2 more games to get a worst draft position and still miss the playoffs by 20 games
Wasting money?
He isn’t a good catcher at all
He had power and that’s it
Besides using roids why do you think he was traded in the first place to la
I would have taken him back for one year until one of the rookie catchers were ready. There isn’t much out there for catchers. Figured he’d sign a multiple year contract. crazy
Grandal, maybe, wants a lot of big money today and then retire soon? Maybe he has second post baseball life in plan.
Score big money this year, win win win, Brewers are most fun too! Smiles, mostly always with Cain, and Yelich.
4/60 with Mets? Probably never real, only, really, not fun beat up behind the dish with bad team.
Brewers got better faster than Cubs today.
And it certainly reinforces the fact that good players avoid the Mets because the money doesn’t blonds them for playing for a second class organization.
Flashing “big money” one minute and then shutting down the spending because wagon Wheels ATM card account has a zero balance makes signing a contract like a life sentence.
No. Three qualifying offer was barely lower than this. He’s also made enough money in his life to retire.
So how do you explain the signing of Jed Lowrie for $10m/year? And it’s not like they didn’t sign a catcher after Grandal didn’t take their offer. They got the next best catcher available on the FA market.
Very unlikely he wants to do “one and done”. Most likely he could not get a multi-year deal that he liked after turning down the Mets and figured he would do better waiting a year when they won’t be QA compensation hanging over him. Of course, there is always the danger of him getting injured but that’s the chance you have to take.
I look at player as human, for fun, sometimes see me in them. I get paid great salary, God blesses thank you, at one time, loved my job, but now hate every morning go to work.
Original passion took to high spot, got me to great salary. Now no passion, wish for one big year to retire early. Spend time with wife, garden, and dog.
In WS, Grandal, who has amazing, looked like errors came from too long season. Played listless at time. Almost like, passed ball come when he had a mind dreaming of days with wife, garden, and dog too. LOL!
Or more probably, you have right answer, his desire long term good deal didn’t come and he said, join fun-win-fun Brew Crew and have big pay year. FA next winter, no QO, and bet on myself.
I agree EJ-and Yasmani didn’t want to be buried in Flushing. He avoided temptation and told his agent no thank you because winning was more important than Wilpon drama.
Squeaky Mets fans calm down. I’m not speaking out of turn. Name the season and I will remind you of old nightmares.
The Wilpon’s could care less about everything EXCEPT cashing in on the fans. Mutt and Jeff parade around Chitifield and smile as they look at fans and mutter under their breath, “schmuck”.
Is this a Haiku of some sort?
Haha! I love when players get greedy and lose money in the process.
or maybe… he would rather play for the team just in the playoffs vs one that’s iffy for 2019? if he bet on himself he may feel that next year he’ll get the right terms on a team more appealing than the Mets.
Brewers will finish between 3rd and last this year
I see that division as follows – Cubs, Cardinals , Reds , Brewers, Pirates
@slpdajab55, Fix your eyesight..
Yep, I have the Cards, Brews, and reds fighting it out for 2-4.
Brewers,Cards,Cubs for first.
It’s the CUBS who have already peaked. They are full of declining players with bloated contracts and haven’t improved at all this Winter. Milwaukee will be right in the mix this year.
cards. reds crew Cubs. Cubs and crew have lost a ton of impact talent. who does the crew have in the rotation?
Gio Gonzales and Wade Miley are a ton of impact talent? Lol are you kidding? This is the same team that made a deep playoff run in 2018. Oh and did you hear they signed one of the best-hitting catchers in baseball? He’s an impact talent.
NL Central is a shark tank. Don’t underestimate Bucs subtle maneuvering. Hope to finally get a look at Senzel w/ Reds.
Who did the Brewers lose? None of the players we’re losing played until July (Miley was hurt) and we were a good team pre-all star break as well.
An impact talent that was benched the past 2 post seasons for Austin Barnes.
Honestly if he gets us to the World Series I will have no problem benching him Pina because my guess that Pina has a big series. Therefore it all works out
He won’t lose any money. He’ll make more this season with the Brewers than he would with the Mets. Next season, without a QO attached, he’ll do just fine.
Nah.
It’s a good AAV 1 year contract. If he actually turned down a 4 year contract for 60M-then yes, he’s lost potential earnings in the coming years. But bottom line, he’s an excellent pitch framer with above average power and OBP. It seems that you may have an issue with him based on naïveté and misguided “morality.” Some unfortunate defensive miscues in the playoffs hurt his value on teen, but I’l root for his future success as a Dodger fan.
All in alll,
Value on *term*, omit “ all in all,” so little flexibility on the app
OR he will fall off like Jonathan Lucroy and make a lot less money. Most baseball players peak for a VERY short time. Grandal is not a HOF-type talent that will sign multiple large contracts. He is a good player that is currently peaking. There is a chance he does great next season and it all works out fine, but history shows there is a much greater chance of a fall off.
The Lucroy comparison is a valid concern, but I don’t feel anything about Grandal suggests there is a “much greater” chance of that comp coming to pass. Lucroy is an extremely exaggerated and staggerlingy sudden example of skill decline. Grandal’s age and overall skillset gives no reason for above-average concern in the immediate future, but, as always, anything is possible.
pitch framing is the most team dependent stat. it is truly a terrible metric depending probably 75% on quality pitching
If thats the case then the Brewers had the 9th best pitching staff last year, a staff in which you just questioned… care to explain that.
How can you say he lost money when we have no clue what he’ll make the next 3 years after the deal ends?
After this season, a 3 year 39m contract seems very attainable for him.
You act like he’s happy about the way this worked out. He left about $40m on the table. I strongly doubt he makes it back over the next 3 years. He’s just not that good.
He’s one of the best hitting catchers in baseball? A 3yr/42M type of deal is completely possible if he has a good year in MLW.
Correction, he is “that” good, but you may not be that good when it comes to qualitative value of comment. In general most ppl won’t complain making close to 18M/yr.
2 years ago Lucroy was one of the best hitting catchers in baseball. He just took a 3.3 million dollar deal a year after taking a 6.5 million dollar deal in Oakland. That 3/42 deal for Grandal is far from a guarantee and is actually highly unlikely unless he has an All Star season in Milwaukee. Yes, it is possible, .but his best case scenario is he makes about the same money as if he signed with the Mets. When the downside is so much bigger than the upside, it appears to be a mistake.
I could see that, but I’m guessing he has peaked and won’t see that kind of $$ again.
Of course few would complain about making $18m/year. But would YOU take the $60m offer guaranteed for4 years, or would you prefer $18m for one year? Which makes you happier?
Potato;
Shoulda gone with the Prius.
It’s obvious he didn’t want to go to ny,like it or not and he wanted more per year,he will have a good year in a hitters Ballpark and get three years for more next year with a already good team not one who thinks their good or not sure
Do you also love it when billionaires save money and Jack up prices regardless of revenue increases? It makes no since why we should have a pony in this race.
I just don’t like Grandal. He’s a steroid cheat who completely folded in the postseason. He’s not a guy I’d bet on long-term as a GM.
Hey Bernie-Sorry as you are making lattes at Starbucks that you can’t understand the reality however he made out really well on a one year contract to play for a good team and franchise. Would you want to leave Starbucks for MacDonalds for a couple of bucks more an hour when you know that would mean that you would also be flipping burgers and not just being a barista?
What a horrible comparison.
No Bernie, the Mets are a horrible team. Not every player just grabs the
most cash.
The fact that you think Grandal left $40m+ on the table because “the Mets suck” tells me that we are done here.
agreed. a lot of this going on lately. in business you would never forgo 60 million I. Hope’s to make 70. you take the cash. never can understand why teams want guys like this and guys who cheat
You get it @tv. People on here are pretending this is what Grandal actually wanted. It’s probably not a good idea for a borderline talent to give up 3 guaranteed years, though. It will be hard for him to make that back.
I thought he was throwing the series. But who knows. Maybe too much caffeine
Excuse me
Hard to think no one would have signed him to a multi year deal. It’s not like it’s the week before spring training starts
or he figured a one year offer takes the QO off the table and he can get more with no draft pick compensation perhaps
Didn’t he reject a 4 year 60M deal from the Mets before they signed Ramos? Oops
rumor
1 year deal!! Never saw that coming
Hahaha at Grandal.
Wtf at Mil for surrendering a draft pick for a one year rental. And wtf Dodgers.
It’s not a 1st rounder at least and he is a definite upgrade over who they had.
A one year rental who will be playing for the biggest payday of his career after the 2019 season. On a team who was a game away from the World Series. Well worth the risk.
Yup this is a win win
yeah…I have to agree with you. It was a great move for the Brewers.
He was playing for a payday this past season and we all saw how that turned out.
Brewers traded a 3rd round pick for one of the best catchers in the game. A one year commitment for a small market team in win now mode. Switch hitter that hit for power in one of the biggest parks going to a hitters park. Sticking him in the middle of a very strong lineup.
Brewers did great.
Grandal gets huge one year deal in a hitters park. Look for him to get the next Vmart type deal next season. 3/60 for dh/c switch hitter without draft pick compensation. Opens market to every major league team. Houston? Yanks? Red Sox? White Sox? Grandal will be grateful he didn’t sign with the sideshow Mets.
One of the bast catchers in the game? He was benched the past 2 post seasons for Austin Barnes. Pretty much everything you state is incorrect. Grandal is hardly a switch hitter anymore. Hit .206 with 4 hr and k’d 37% of the time. Dodger Stadium plays neutral now not close to the biggest park anymore. Not a Huge 1 year deal, same as QO and considerably less then anticipated and probably the biggest FA flop this off season. Grandal will NEVER see 18 mil again in any season after the abysmal one he’s about to have.
Yep, good deal for brews, but pitching will be suspect. They will have a lot of 6/5 games.
I don’t believe they are finished adding people and with the addition of one very big name, could be a force for quite a while. they have lots of payroll room left and I wouldn’t be surprised if they make an offer for Harper.
Their catchers were horrible and if he’s one of the pieces that gets them to the world series and wins it it’s worth whatever draft pick they lost.
Still need a 2B and a TOR arm. Bumgarner would be a good get but not at the price the gaints are asking for. Corey Ray would be the main piece I’d give up with 1 or 2 secondary pitchers like diplan brown Ponce lemons.
Teams look to metrics in offseason to target problem areas on roster. But they’re fixing last year’s problems, a day late and a dollar short.
Some problems woulda got better on their own with a fresh start, while some ‘improvements’ backfire due to poor performance, injury or rotten luck.
Teams would benefit more from a crystal ball, but you can’t pick those up at Walmart. Solution: Time machine.
A 3rd round lottery ticket for a proven mlb above average catcher on a win now team? no contest.
3rd round pick so it is worth it but he screwed up if he doesn’t do well & get a 3 or 4 year deal 4 at least 12 million a year.
He’s a good catcher, with a lifetime 115 OPS+ and 117 wRC+, who’s betting on himself. I seriously doubt he screwed up.
You’d lose that bet. Strong start, striking out 40% of the time after the all star break, throwing no one out, there’s your 2019 Grandal season in a nutshell.
Not surprised. pillow contract and enter free agency again next year. Curious if he was interested in resigning with LA since they wanted someone short term
QO
Angels missed a great opportunity to significantly help the lineup and pitching staff here.
Angels prob weren’t willing to wait for Grandal’s price to drop. So they went with Lucroy
Who would’ve been there anyway. Or Mesoraco. Either second tier guy is a huge drop off from Grandal.
I agree with you. I think Eppler values the draft pick more than we do.
Then you should change that perception because the common denominator in the Angels’ success a decade ago was their commitment to their farm system while having the payroll to pay a guy like Vladdy at the center of it all.
Hard to believe Grandal would have favored anything the Angels were likely to offer over either the Mets proposal or this chance to join a bona fide WS contender.
Eppler couldn’t wait until Jan 10 to get his catching detail locked down. A reasonable person might conclude he offered Grandal more than 1 year at $18M, but less than $60M/4 years, and Grandal said no. I am sure more GMs than Eppler had the same conversation with Grandal.
Grandal and his agent badly misread the market.
Don’t mind me, just waiting for all the “Dang, I missed another one” comments.
Haha right on
“I have 3 right and 32 wrong”
Good move for the Brewers. Should make an impact in their lineup.
Wow! Out of nowhere. Good signing for the Brewers.
Central getting tougher and tougher
Well ok then
So the guy that had so many errors during their playoff series , is now signed ? Why ?
Teams don’t look at like 3 games
Because making the type of judgement you did on such a small sample size instead looking at someone’s overall body of work is not smart
Sign Pearce for a $300 million contract. Has Machado ever won a playoff MVP award? Pearce is a proven winner.
7 people didn’t understand the hyperbolic sarcasm here.
He was playing for the Brewers in the NLCS
You funny
You want the guy to not get a job because of 1 playoffs, why?
Correction last 2 post seasons were a disaster for Grandal.
Holy Kratz
How’s that 4 year deal now????
Dang, a one year deal? That’s a bit unexpected.
The 2022 strike is going to be fun
Yeah I don’t know how they fix this outside of work stoppage.
But if he really had 60/4 on the table, this one is on Grandal/his agent.
They could start by signing a 4/60 deal when its on the table
Expansion. I don’t want expansion but it’s a inevitably at this point.
Negative Nancy? Bring back Positive Polly! Comment mostly makes me wish for a big fast day’s of of big bad contracts to come the rest of offseason. But too much ridiculous on both sides still breaks the balance scale?
Huh? You are awarded no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
Great News!! As a Dodger fan, I was very worried we resign him! Now let’s also move on from The Miami Catcher, & trade for Kluber!
Yeah good call bro
Let’s roll with Barnes as our starting catcher and trade the house for another SP. Should probably sign Machado back too right?
One year? lol
Grandal didn’t want anything to do with the Dodgers. I can’t imagine it being for over $17.9 mil. This is weird. And Brewers have to surrender a draft pick for a one year signing right?
Maybe he didn’t like the way he was treated/thrown under the bus in the playoffs the last 2 years. Can’t really blame him for wanting to leave LA.
He threw himself under the bus during the post season.
Hmmm, interesting way to look at the situation.
Things get ugly when teams continue to choke in October.
How many bad games has Kershaw thrown in the playoffs?
There it is! Dodgers are blind to Kershaw’s playoff problems because he’s their beloved SP. Their damn good catcher has a bad couple games in the playoffs and it’s judgment day! Hypocrites.
A couple bad games? Wow, you are clueless.
It wasn’t intelligent to turn down a 4 year $60 million deal if that was truly on the table.
Excellent analysis.
4 years to play for the Mets. In a division where you’ll probably end up 4th every season. For a GM that is more concerned with circus side shows.
He will have a great season in Milwaukee. And he’ll have the added joy of knocking the Dodgers out of the playoffs.
He’s on a team with one of the best offenses… one of the best bullpens… an under rated starting staff… a solid defensive team with a strong minor league system that can go get a player or two at the deadline.
He set himself up for a chance at a huge payday next off season. Many more teams will enter the bidding for a C/DH if there isn’t a draft pick connected. If the Red sox lose JD, they will be a likely landing spot. Short commitment and fills an immediate need.
and they lost to LA…..,imagine that.
underrated rotation??
Wow I guess he really didn’t want to play for the Mets
Now Milwaukee needs to get Dozier or Lowrie, then maybe another SP, and they will be a 100 win team for sure – if they aren’t already.
^
LOL!
There will not be any 100 win teams in the Central, the infusion of new talent in the Central will eliminate many of the give me wins that teams have experienced over the last several years.
You make it seem like winning 100 games is a (pun intended) walk in the park. Cardinals improved, Cubs are always a threat…NL Central will be a 3-team slugfest!
…and it’s not like Pitt and Cinnci are the Orioles and Royals….tough division, probably the most competitive one out there….
Pitching is required in this sport, sadly.
Hmm, yes. Not like the Brewers beat out the NL Central competition with the pitching they had last year.
Hahaha closer to 81 wins unless you believe the pixie dust of the last six weeks of 2018 is still floating around.
Lol Cubs fans…. You want some fries with that salt, bud?
Hey, congrats, you learned how to copy and paste this “pixie dust” comment on every Brewers thread. And FYI, just because you keep telling yourself something doesn’t mean it’s true.
It works for the Donald.
Oh great a political troll
Just because someone believes their own lies doesn’t make them a bad person. They were probably already a bad person.
Let’s face it, they’re all liars/crooks/shysters. We are but pawns in their game.
Solution: Distraction via baseball.
So, this last six weeks don’t count
Yep, lack SP for sure and you can not outscore everyone.. They will score runs.
Dodgers are you asleep. Didnt want 1 year..
Guess those better multi-year offers you claimed Grandal had after he reportedly turned down 4/60 from the Mets never materialized, huh? Lolol.
The Brewers will put an all-star at every position, but refuse to spend a dime on starting pitching. Wow
Is a little peculiar, yeah. But it worked last year, so …
Their past investments in FA starters, with the exception of Chacin, have never really panned out. Suppan, Wolf, Lohse, and Garza. Granted it was the past regime but for a small market like the Brewers its not always worth the risk.
Milwaukee has it’s own homegrown pitching, stearns is building the offense.
Alright so who do you think they should get then? Corbin was never going anywhere but a team in the Northeast. Keuchel would be a great get for them but a six year contract for a 31 year old pitcher is not smart, I don’t care how soft he pitches.
You think Kluber or Bauer is available still? Not so sure anymore. The Indians motivation is gone now that they have saved the money they we’re looking for. The trade package cost for an ace on any normal day is insane so could you imagine how much it would cost to actually remotivate the Indians?
There is no true TOR available. The Brewers made a choice to upgrade somewhere they could.
100% agree with you. It seems like a lot of people think there’s a wealth of available TOR SP’s out there and they’re all going to instantly put a team over the top. Look at the SP market last year. A lot of people wanted the Brewers to sign Darvish or trade for Archer. Those were big names, but did they really produce results? People sarcastically snickered at the Chacin and Miley signings saying “this is the signing that puts them over the top”, when it actually was under-the-radar signings that did put them over the top. Winning the offseason doesn’t necessarily win the regular season and most certainly doesn’t secure a WS appearance. I love what Stearns is doing and can’t wait to see what he comes up with next. Go Crew!
Winner of 2018 off-season blunder of the year award
Hey, at least it’s more than the QO
There are still plenty of quality free agents left, so there’s still a decent chance that someone else makes a bigger blunder.
Finally.
Next update – Grandal changes agent
Grandal holds out for 350,000 more than QA Dodgers made hahaha
Better stadium? … all I got.
It’s a little more than that with State taxes, but good point. This allows him to play in a hitters park.
Signs a one year and next year will want a 3 year
A 3 or 4 year deal next year is a distinct possibility. He’ll be more attractive to teams without the QO attached. He’s in a better park for hitting, and the Brewers should be in the PS, giving Grandal the opportunity to show that last season’s performance in the playoffs were an aberration.
All signs point to ATLANTA for Mr. Realmuto.
Except no, they don’t.
Still think it’s Houston.
I have to say guess he’s not going anywhere this off season. Maybe, in June or July but I don’t think he’ll be moved until then.
Truly terrified of that, actually. Apparently we all need Seamaholics crystal ball but right now it seems to me it just depends on whether the Braves or Astros are willing to sacrifice more.
My guess is the Braves have made an offer and it’s solid. They aren’t adding anything no matter what. If the Astros choose to give more than he will be an Astro.
Shocked at this one! Seriously.
Well 1 year for MIL > 4 for NYM I guess lol
I would of really liked to of seen the Cubs have a pitch framed of his caliber. I love Contreras’ strong arm. But he gives strikes away, much less not turning balls into strikes. And his .265
Avg. is very misleading. Usually 1-4 with a K a infield single or weak hit and two rolled over grounders to short.
CsRsSs;
Speaking of pitch framing, would Baseball be better or worse with automated ball/strike calls?
Wow. For all of you who called it, I just came on here to admit I was wrong.
No one called a one year contract to Brewers
I said that he would still get his money this year after he declined the Mets offer. I wonder if he could have waited out the Phillies. But I was incorrect. Shame because he’s good.
Gotcha
Mets offer hasn’t been proven legit, but I can’t imagine him signing this one year deal and declining an offer like that from the Mets. Bt whatever. He’s still banking $18 mil
BREAKING NEWS: Grandal to fire his agent
Maybe this is just how much of a joke the Mets are… maybe he would do it again lol?
Maybe the Mets are thrilled they didn’t do a Jonathan Lucroy 2.0? The Mets dodged a huge bullet here.
Ken Rosenthal Reported this morning on MLB network that it was his decision and not the agents. Said that he may be contemplating Retirement and wants to make as much money as he can now. Don’t know if thats true, its just what was mentioned.
If you build it, the owners will put the money in their pocket rather than pay for the best players and sell you a lower level of baseball because apparently the fans don’t deserve the best.. just the cheapest.
Owners don’t like bad contracts.
no owners like public funded stadiums and selling second class players and the profits that generates. As far as BAD contracts. They were part of the collusion back in the 1980’s discussion that long term contracts were bad. Yes they knew they may be good at the start but they may end badly, ( Every Contract is bad if you look at its potential for collapse. No year is guaranteed, injuries and down years happen all the time) , that is what Business is supposed to do TAKE RISKS, this sure things approach is just good for their pocketbooks, but it is bad for baseball.
oldguy;
Owners have been crying ‘foul’ since the intro of income taxes.
Sterns does it again….last year, got 2 OFers on the same day, this year pulls a FA surprise. I imagine he doesn’t like the cost of pitching out there (or the pitchers) and has decided to just try and beat everybody to death with their bats.
He’s got a point…..
That’s tough to do when the other team has actual pitchers. Who cares if you score 5 when you are giving up 7?
Yeah that’s why they had a +95 run differential last year with no ‘actual pitchers’. Great point Vedder!
I think Stearns likes his crop of SPs a lot more than people think.
He’s building an offense around them.
One would have thought Grandal and his agent would have learned the lesson by now of FAs with qualifying offers attached. He’ll never see that money the Mets offered, or anywhere close to it. Four years for a catcher who’s 30? That agent learned a valuable lesson with Grandal’s livelihood.
Time to move Cervelli, make the move Bucs
Bucs got a decent successor in the pipeline?
This year’s Mike Moustakas has been identified. Step up now Yasmani and claim your Idiot Trophy!!!
How is he an idiot?
He topped the QO, and thinks he can improve his earnings long term, or prefers this situation
Never saw a deal like this coming. Boy, my predictions really suck
One year and 18.25mm is a great deal for both sides. Sure its 3 years and 42mm short of what the Mets “supposedly” offered him, but with a good showing this year and no draft pick tied to him he will most assuredly earn way more than that next offseason.
Catchers age even more rapidly than relief pitchers, and to give up $42 million dollars is the type of insanity we haven’t seen before.
He must have gotten some really bad sushi in Queens to do this.
Brian McCann and Russell Martin received double that amount at the same age. I don’t see why he couldn’t get at least $50 million over 3 years barring a complete drop off in production and no draft pick compensation tied to him.
Those days are long gone my friend
Absolutely not. Yadi just got 60 over 3 years as a 34 year old, with fewer WAR over the past 3 years than Grandal.
I think it’s tough to use Molina’s extension with the Cardinals as any sort of benchmark for a typical free agent such as Grandal. While it’s tough to quantify, there was some sort of “career achievement, make sure that Molina spends his entire career with the Cardinals” premium baked into Molina’s contract.
How’s the Brewers catchers depth look? Any open to come to the Dodgers for a year or two? lol
Is it time to start the engine of the Will Smith train? Don’t know what else the Dodger FO has planned.
Love this signing for the Brewers. I’ll sure miss ol’ Kratzy, but Grandal/Piña is soooo much better than Piña/Kratz. Brewers are going for it. If they can add a decent 2B (or just call up Hiura) this lineup is scary deep.
Cain
Yelich
Braun
Shaw
Aguilar
Grandal
Spangey/Perez/Hiura
Arcia
I don’t see how that’s deep.
1-6 are all good to great (Yelich is the only great though). 7 and 8 are steep drop offs and they aren’t carrying great depth any longer
Most teams don’t sport very good hitters at 7 and 8, though. This is still an excellent lineup compared to most other teams..
Arcia was our best hitter in the playoffs and there is still plenty of time to upgrade 2B. Also forgot Dubon as a possible 2B option.
I like what the Brewers are doing, but banking on Arcia or another player who’s never played in the majors is asking a lot. Let’s see Arcia do it a full year, they had no faith in him last year and only got back into the lineup because Schoop was absolutely horrible.
Other than his outlier year in Colorado Springs Dubon has always been viewed as a glove first guy with very little power and sub-par plate discipline. Add to that the fact that he’s coming off of a torn ACL and hasn’t had any live action in almost a year and don’t hold your breath on him being much of an option til at least later on in the season. They need to get Lowrie or better yet Marwin who could play 2B, spell Shaw at 3B, and play the occasional game in the OF instead of Thames. He’d be a much better version of Hernan.
With the defense that Arcia plays he doesn’t have to be a world-beater though, he just needs to stick with the approach he had after the demotion and stop the hot-doggin and ridiculous bat waggle and hit under control. If he could be league average or even close to it offensively his glove will play everyday.
To add, your window to win a title is small, do you want to bank on unproven players in the middle IF, or sign a veteran 2B that can help put you over the top? Sure maybe the young guy figures it out but how much patience does the team have in a “win now” mode. The Brewers don’t have a 2B right now, it’s as simple as that.
Dubon is batting .300 in the minors and has some pop in his bat, I think he’s more than just a glove first guy.
He’s hit .300 with 26 HRs in 5 years (that’s pop?) in some very hitter friendly environments. I like Dubon, but he’s going to be a gap to gap line drive hitter with little power who as of now does not take enough walks, gets thrown out on the base paths too easily for a guy with his speed, and is still coming back from a bad knee injury. I think he ends up as a league average hitter and above average defender, but some Brewer fans are talking like he’s the answer right now at 2B or the next big thing and I think they are drastically over-valuing him.
He actually reminds me a lot of when Yadiel Rivera was in the farm system and people got WAY too amped up about him. Even if he turns out to be an average player (which Yadiel never did) fans will still be disappointed with it.
If that’s particularly deep I’d hate to see a shallow lineup. You replaced the zero offensively at catcher but you have nothing until maybe Hiura at 2B again. Arcia can’t hit and Braun isn’t much anymore. Give me Dozier at 2B and I’d feel a lot better.
Arcia is only 24 and had a great September/October after fixing his swing timing in AAA. He also had an above average year at the plate in 2017. All of this while batting 8th, which is easily the tough spot to hit in the NL. I wouldn’t write him off just yet. Braun although isn’t nearly the same as years past but is still a very clutch hitter.
Grandad caught the ball like a drunk swatting insects in the playoffs.
@ left
You funny!
lefty;
Reminds me of the occasional gnat swarms at Cleveland’s old mistake on the lake.
Dude Hope’s to stay healthy and produce this year to chash in next off season. Otherwise, he will regret turning down Mets’ offer. Best of luck for him.
He’ll have made $38 million by the end of this season. It’s really not a huge regret I’m sure for betting on himself to have a good season.
You can retire and not work a day in your life on 1 Million. He has 18 of those, so his life is well set after baseball. Of course, I’m not talking living in CA, or the Northeast.
True, you can probably live well with 20k outside of California! But the point being leaving money on the table today. Yes, he might very well come up even or even do better next year.
The Cubs are screwed the Cards And Brew Crew have made upgrades meanwhile The Cubs have been hibernating enjoy 3rd place Chicago
Cubs won 95 games with injuries to Bryant, Darvish, and Morrow. If the cubs don’t make any major moves this year, I would still be confident that the young core that’s about to enter their prime can turn it around and be much better than last year. Add a healthy Darvish to the mix and they will be fine. It will be a very competitive year though in the NL central that’s for sure
Can we stop with the excuses? Scottstots is right.
If I remember right slmschifan is a White Sox fan… the reality is the Cubs had not only the Darvish and Morrow injuries, but Kris Bryant hit .272/13/52 last year… equivalent to a Goldschmidt or a Yelich turning that out this year. And Contreras vastly underperformed, as did the SP staff as whole. That’s not to make excuses for a 95 win team, but the Cubs had a lot more go wrong than most teams in 2018 and still won 95 games in a quality division. Yes, both the Cards and Brewers have gotten better in the offseason, while the Cubs have not done anything of note, but the Cubs are probably still better, even if it is realistically a bit closer. But I do think the Cubs land Harper, and if they don’t, Kimbrel is probably coming with some other relief help. The Cubs are waiting for Harper or value in this offseason in my humble opinion.
I agree that Morrow is good when healthy. but Darvish is a mystery to me. He didn’t look good at all even before the “injury” and he tends to choke in big situations as he did with the Dodgers. I think his biggest injury is between his ears. The team’s biggest weakness is nothing you mentioned though, it is their skipper Joe Maddon. His “non coaching” philosophy really hurt them last year. Not being able to play small ball and lack of baserunning fundamentals really cost them quite a few close games, especially at the end. Even one more run in those last 3 games, and who knows what could have happened. They don’t need Harper and why would they pay more for Kimbrel when they could have got Robertson, Britton, or even Ottavino for cheaper?
Cub fan thanks, also like the Sox
I like Darvish, but agree his biggest issue is between his ears. That said, he’s been a STUD some years despite that. I’ll take him for 15 wins at a 3.50 ERA this year and better next if healthy… outside of last year year he’s been really really good and dominant in healthy years.
I couldn’t disagree with you more about Maddon. On its a face I think he’s the absolute best manager in the game and its not close. I think you’re completely wrong. That said, I can see a need for a bit of late-game bunting in the right spot, and think he burns his bench too earlry sometimes.
Arright fair enough. That said, I agree that we should not make excuses, but with an add or two and Bryant and Contreras back I like us better this year.
I don’t think they will add to the pen since it’s already full. But maybe Mr Rickets will change his mind and open the checkbook now. And then all the non Cub fans can complain that they are buying a championship
Bryant probably will bounce back but you’re not mentioning Lester your ace being 35 and Zobrist a 304 hitter being 38. If you’re predicting bounce backs for young players you have to be consistent and allow for regression from your aging players and since Lester is far and away your best pitcher that’s kind of important.Also who vastly underperformed in your starting pitching. Quintanas era was better than the year before as was Lesters. Chatwood always was bad so what are you talking about
Not so fast. The Reds are much improved.
Yes. The Reds are actually significantly improved… but they still suck. They might be competitive in a couple divisions, but the Reds big improvement in the Central is going to drop 77 wins.
As a Cards fan, I don’t fear the Brewers, but I fear the Cubs.
Brewers have a ton of holes still, even after Grandal, which includes an awful rotation and middle infield. They are hoping their bullpen can save them again (unlikely).
Cards need a consistent bullpen, which if they get they could steal the division, cubs just need to be healthy, and they are the best of the bunch.
If cubs are healthy, they’ll win the division
If the cubs aren’t healthy, and the cards bullpen is solid, they’ll win the division
If the cubs aren’t healthy and the cards bullpen isn’t good, then the brewers could steal the division again, but it’s gonna take more good luck
While I agree with you the Cubs did deal with injuries so did the Brewers. They didn’t have Nelson for the entire year who was their best starter in 2017, Davies who won 19 games in 2017 was hurt all year and Knebel missed the first 3ish months of the year.
That is not to mention some of the injuries for the Cubs were 100% expected. Darvish is hurt every season and Morrow pitched a combined 60 innings in 2016 and 2017.
Injuries and poor seasons are part of the game. Of course if ‘everything went how it should’ things would be different. That’s baseball though, we all know that won’t happen.
Although, Nelson is still working his way back from injury, and it remains to be seen if he’ll be the same guy once he does return.
I agree with that completely. Same came be said about Darvish however.
You are delusional, JFactor.
espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/pitching
That link is for your reference on the Brewers awful rotation. Tell me, where do your beloved Cardinals and their awesome rotation sit on that list?
Long story short, don’t believe everything the mainstream media tells you. Follow the game.
Not referring to anything from the mainstream media.
The entire rotation is staring at massive regressions.
Find me any starter over the last 10 years who posted a sub 8 k/9 and a lob% over 80%
You can’t. And that’s just one pitcher (Anderson) that is going to crash back to reality with more innings.
Petalta was awful his last 10 outings, and he had a similar issue to Anderson
And this doesn’t discuss Chacin, who only Brewers fans believe has turned a corner, nobody else.
Burnes has house, but it’s not a lot of innings to bank on. Nelson might come back? Those injuries can be career threatening.
Their best projected starter ERA is Nelson at 4.20, after that it’s Peralta af 4.40
Neither would make the cards or cubs rotation right now, yet they lead the brewers
I didn’t get to edit, but a starter over the last 10 years with a sub 8 k/9 and over 80% lob who was able to repeat that the following year.
Anderson did that this year, but unless he can improve his fielding independent pitching, he’s gonna crash and burn this year
Also, we were discussing rotation
Last year, the Brewers Rotation had a 3.92 ERA and a 4.32 FIP
The Cardinals rotation had a 3.52 ERA and a 3.78 FIP
When you include the bullpens, the Cards had a 3.97 FIP, the Brewers a 4.01, mostly similar.
As I said, the Cards have to improve their bullpen, but their rotation is clearly significantly better than the Brewers.
“massive regressions”. Same thing was published/state/predicted about the Brewers in January of 2018. So why even play the games then?
Also, please tell us about the “tons of holes” the Brewers still have to fill?
scotts;
Problem is, even finishing last, CHC’d rake in more than anyone else in their div. That’s been the problem with the franchise going back over several ownerships. Fans with deep pockets and open wallets are drawn like zombies to a brain smorgasbord. Same thing with Blackhawks prior to the passing of ‘Dollar’ Bill Wirtz.
If I was a Brewers fan I would be ecstatic getting this caliber of player at catcher on a 1 year deal.
Don’t understand the QO system so I might be wrong here but if milwaukee offers him a QO after next year and he turns it down isn’t he right back in the same situation…just for an extra 300k this year??
He can only be offered the QO once in his career. Next year he’s unencumbered.
Thanks just found those rules on QO too…so yeah he can’t get another one next year
I believe that you can only offer a QO once in a players career.
You can’t be tagged more than once
What is a past ball?
a fancy party that has already happened
Bazinga
Yank;
… An excuse to smoke a cigarette.
Free agency system is broken. Including arbritration. Needs to be wiped out and replaced, which is exactly what will happen during the work stoppage at the next CBA negotiations. This is just disgraceful that the second best catcher in baseball got 1 year at 18.25 mill. How does a team like the rockies or angels (pre-lucroy) not too this?
too expensive for the angels.
Brewers much more likely to compete for a WS title in 2019 than the Angels.
If it was only about money, Grandal would be a Met now.
During the regular season, glad we don’t have to see him as much since he didn’t sign with a NL West team. He can hit some HRs.
I finally got one right!
Good signing for the Brewers. He should hit well there. Next year no QO which should help,too.
Not sorry to see him go… IF they can get Realmuto.
That Brewers lineup is gonna be brutal.
Outside of the MVP and Cain, the lineup blows. Grandal has got some pop, but doesn’t do well against good pitching staffs or when the game is on the line. He has never even hit .250. Braun will continue to deline post PED at a fast rate, and the rest will come back down to earth.
Travis Shaw blows? Averaged 4 WAR the last two years and OPS+ 120 with a career low BABIP last year.
Jesus Aguilar has an OPS+ of 114 and 135 the last two years. They both look to be well above average.
Add Grandal to the mix who has never had a year as a below average hitter as a catcher. Career OPS+ of 115. But you stick to batting average and scouts eyes.
Aguilar is an absolute STUD
Megaj – You should maybe try soccer, because understanding baseball is not your thing.
So far, the Brewers are the preseason favorites. I think that they have a few players who may get “old” all at once. Also, they don’t get more SP, they will wear that bullpen out.
They need at least one more good pitcher for me to really consider them the favorites over the Dodgers. The bullpen is solid but the starters are not
I don’t even think they are the favorites over a healthy Cubs team, BUT I will definitely begin to worry if they actually do get Bumgarner or another solid pitcher.
I get tired of hearing about health issues regarding the cubs. The cubs are clearly in a decline and health issues affect every team in baseball. The cubs had a little run and now it’s over. Move on
the Cubs are a mess, and i’m a Cubs fan, if things go their way they can compete for a division title, I could also see them finishing 4th. Milwaukee is good and should be favorites and it’s foolish to sleep on STL, they will be back.
Cubs had no more injuries then any other team, they are clearly in decline and their fans are in denial.
They are currently projected for a fight for 3rd with the Reds according to STEAMER and over 10 back of the Cubs and Cards.
They don’t have a MLB rotation right now, and I’d argue their lineup is worse than the cubs or cards right now
How’d that steamer projection turn out least year? Lol. I’ll take my own steamer projection in a few minutes.
Cervelli to the Dodgers for one year in return for a LHP.
I’d trade Cervelli straight up for Stripling, but I doubt it will happen.
He did the Mets a favor by rejecting their offer and gave the brew Crew a great deal. The only one who loses is him
This guy can’t catch a cold
If he thought it was tough competing on the open market this year, wait until he’s up against Realmuto next year.
Realmuto will not be a free agent next year. I believe he has to wait at least two more years. I could be wrong, wouldn’t be the first time.
No, you are right. Realmuto is after 2020
Leaving the city of Los Angeles for Milwaukee for any amount of money says a great deal about a player’s lack of common sense. I guess he can probably save a good amount of money in cost of living expenses, but hope he enjoys it when people invite him to a bratwurst tasting event and consider it the highlight of their social calendar.
Maybe he got tired of all the jerks and homeless people.
Just curious, but did LA offer him anything beside the QO? You are accusing him of not having common sense because he left LA, yet you don’t even know if they offered him a contract.
He’s only 30 years old. 31 after next season. . . If he has a good year in an offense park… He can probably land a multi-year deal somewhere. Or re-up with the Brews… Health will be the key to topping the next four years and 60 plus million. . . A good bet. But we’ll see
Watch his disastrous 2019 season destroy his value. Im not a fan of his.
He signed a 1 year deal, not a 4/40 deal. The guy gets to become a free agent again and with a good season can easily get a 3 year deal for around 40-45.
But in the meantime will dominate as the brewers catcher as the best backstop in the NL in 19
The next contract will also NOT be with the Mets. That would have to increase their bribe offer to over $22 million per season, which of course they would never do.
Of course it won’t be with the Mets, given that they signed someone else for 2 years. Amazing how you can make any post a jab at the Mets. Don’t you have something better to do than post cr*p like this?
And just like that, the Cubs “dynasty” ends
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He is real streaky and disappears in September. All the strikeouts, dropped throws and passed balls got old. Barnes picked him up in 2017 but they both were bad last year. Just need an AJ Ellis type fill-in for now until Keibert Ruiz is ready. Dodgers have too many free swingers, they need guys that can make contact come playoff-time
It would have been a great deal for Mets GM Wagon Wheel to sign him for $15 million for 3 years. Mutt Wilpon would have run Jeff’s but out of town for his “save the franchise with this GM” hiring.
This is what a bailout looks like. No he didn’t get the multiyear deal. This was a severe outbidding by the Brewers. Good news is they have the ability to do so while addressing a position that allows them to lengthen their lineup.
Personally people are going to be surprised by the Brewers starting pitching this year and once again bullpen will be strong. I think they are going to have more young pitchers come up and succeed. I think second base will be covered until both Dubon and Huira come up a month into the season. I also think that you may see Shaw start handling first if Aguilar struggles and Erceg take some at third. This will also give Nottingham another year at AAA or do they trade Pina with Nottingham learn under Grandal for the year. Still would like to see Thames, Anderson and Davies traded to replenish the minors and maybe even Pina too.
I think this move for Grandal means the Brewers really need to go hard for a pitcher. They are putting the NL Central on-notice that they want to repeat. That division is deep. Best in baseball in my opinion.
There’s one thing people are overlooking when talking about how he turned down the Mets deal – maybe, just maybe, he simply didn’t want to play for them. I mean, it is the Mets after all..not every player is okay with signing on for four years of losing baseball.
still not sold on the Mets. They are the 4th best team in that division.
Nice move. I can see the Brewers focusing on a second baseman next to sure up the team. There is a glut of them, so the Brewers are set up for success.
I’m still not impressed with their starting rotation, but man are the Brewers going to be tough to pitch against this season! Assuming the Cubs get some bounceback performances, 4 of the scariest lineups in the NL are going to be in the Central this season.
Offseason still is not over, they will sign a starter or two imo. And the Brewers pitching carried them second half, along with Yelich. Just because we dont have household names, does not mean our pitchers are bad. Maybe learn about the team a little before commenting.
I didn’t say they wouldn’t sign a starter, but right now their starting pitching is still rather mediocre for a contending team. They had multiple starters pitch career years out of nowhere last year, and even still their rotation was easily the weakest part of the team, as it was the bullpen that carried them. It’s doubtful than more than one of those starters can do it again this season. Meanwhile, their ace from 2017 is still injured and may not be the same guy even when he does return.
Bumgardner trade is going to make too much sense for the Brewers
It looks to be an all in year for them
Bum would be great for them, but I don’t think anyone will meet what SF wants for him. They need a great return, (and I don’t blame them).
As a Brewers fan, how can you not love this signing? Brewers were atrocious in the offensive department behind the plate last year, and this is a mega upgrade. The bottom of the order for a good part of the year were 3 easy outs for the opposition. Overpaid a little for a one year deal for Grandal, and we didn’t have to go long term with him. This shows a lot about what he thought about the Mets as a team, turning down a guaranteed 4 year contract. Stearns does it yet again with this team. There was no buzz about this, cant believe he pulled this off. David Stearns is not the type of GM to throw rumors and stories out there about who hes into. Very quiet business man, which is something to be admired
Agreed, and I’m a Pirate fan. Solid moves coming from Milwaukee. They’ve been building things slowly but surely, and to me impressively.
This is awesome we’re finally getting big free agent signings ! (At least by our standards lmao) can’t wait for the season to begin !
You think a big starting pitcher is next? I really like Burnes, Woodruff, and Peralta and would prefer to keep them
I think they could trade Davies and Ray plus a throw in to the Giants for Bumgarner. That would take the stress off of relying on the young guys and Nelson. A staff of Bumgarner/Chacin/Woodruff/Burnes/Anderson is pretty descent. Plus then Peralta can work on developing a third pitch in AAA. If Nelson proves he’s healthy and/or Anderson can bounce back, that would give some flexibility at the deadline to upgrade
I don’t think that’s enough, they want Burnes, Peralta or Woodruff. i don’t think Milwaukee is interested in parting with either 3 and I don’t blame them. i don’t think Bum is going anywhere.
I think Woodruff or Peralta could be had, but that would diminish the secondary pieces. Davies is still a pretty valuable piece. He’s controllable and I think could be great in a pitchers ballpark. Not disagreeing that the Giants would hold out for those three though.
I would almost guarantee that Davies doesn’t even move the needle for SF. He doesn’t have anywhere near the upside of the other 3 and that is what they are looking for.
exactly, SF needs to be motivated to move him, Davies doesn’t do that. They’d get a better return holding on to him and dealing him mid-summer.
i dont think Bum is going anywhere. The only way any of a combo of woodruff burnes or peralta gets traded is a package for Kluber, which wont happen imo. Stroman would be a nice fit though.
Would they though? Look at Greinke 2012 as a good comp, and thats assuming he stays healthy and pitches well.
I absolutely agree I believe that the Brewers can stay pat with pitching. If the Brewers do make a trade the only one i would make is maybe Thames and/ or Davies, Anderson to Yankees for Sonny Gray. I like the Garwin possibility for a fourth outfielder because you have Cain or Yelich in center
As a Dodger fan, this is excellent news indeed! Now our FO cant sign this brain-dead slug for at least a year. And, hopefully, by then we have one of the kids ready. I will not miss Grandal’s frequent mental lapses at all, and I think our pitching staff will be less taxed with him not behind the dish.
You are bashing a player who is arguably a top 3 hitting catcher and is +45 in DRS the last 4 years?
After watching Grandal during his tenure with the Dodgers, frankly, YES. Stats all you like, but I’ve seen far too many passed balls, missed catches, and brain fades to want him anywhere near home plate for my team. I hope he does better for you guys, for us he was mostly extremely frustrating.
It says a lot that many Dodger fans are ecstatic that he’s no longer a possible option for the Dodgers.
Man, that is a solid signing. Great upgrade for the Brew Crew.
HALLELUJAH! Grandal is gone from Dodgers! Grandal is a perfect example that stats can be misleading. Switch hitter in name only, a notorious streaky hitter who will disappear offensively for weeks, never a game where he and pitchers do not get crossed-up, regularly failing to block pitches in the dirt, horribly misplaying throws from the OF, losing balls at his feet, and misjudging popups. Dodgers benched him in the last 2 post seasons — enough said.
I agree. Grandal is one of the most overrated players in MLB. As a Dodgers fan, I couldn’t wait for a team to take him. He is a catcher who cannot catch. He cannot catch pitches, throws from the outfield or throws from the infield. Too often it seeemed like he was not wearing a glove at all. People keep mentioning it as just a problem in the playoffs but the reality is that he is always terrible in pressure situations of any kind. When he is needed most he consistently fails, both at the plate and behind it.
I find these two comments laughable to be honest. Did either of you read the article? It clearly states Grandal is one of the better pitch framers in the game and his +45 DRS over the last 4 years is up towards the top for catchers as well. Not to mention his bat makes him a top 3-5 catcher overall in the game. You both are choosing to view his entire tenure as a Dodger based on 3 playoff games which is your problem.
I’ve watched Grandal for years. I actually know what I am talking about.
yeah but only comments negative things once he rejects the dodgers offer and leaves? little biased there big guy
As a Dodgers fan I’ll say Leo is on point. Nobody wanted him anywhere the field during the playoffs.
I posted plenty before the playoffs last year that Grandal needed to go.
A veteran like Nick Hundley for 1 to 2 years until Ruiz is ready is all the Dodgers need.
Read the article? Why do we need an article when we’ve watched Grandal for years. You got your opinion from an article, we got ours from experience. And not a few playoff games, a few seasons. Maybe he wakes up and is all you are dreaming of. Our dreams came true with the announcement of his signing.
Hiya socal! Hope all is well. It’s a good day when “Passed-Ball-Grandal” puts on a uni that doesnt have “Dodgers” on the front! Even if Barnes is the number one guy the whole season it’s a win on so many fronts.
Who’s his agent? Is it a mystery? I googled it and could it find it, and it’s not on the report either.
Agent does not want his name associated with Grandal after turning down a $60MM pay day.
He could’ve got more than that if he wasn’t such a dumbass.
Nice pickup for Milwaukee, really like the signing….a lot.
im glad we grabbed Ramos, who is a better hitter and wanted to play for the Mets!!
The Mets assembled a lineup of 4th outfielders and 5th infielders. Have fun
How did you determine Ramos is a better hitter? Over the course of their careers Grandal has a better OBP, SLG and OPS than Ramos.
If he has a better career OBP and SLG then OPS is obsolete
huh?? .815 OPS and 120 OPS+ for Grandal vs .845 OPS and OPS+ 130 for Ramos and .358 obp for Ramos beats .349 obp for Grandal and thats not even Ramos best year!! plus he hit .306 ba vs Grandals .241 ba….Ramos is a better hitter no question!!! If Ramos stays healthy, he will outperform Grandal handily….plus he is making half the money!! no brainer
It’s all about the money. Players and owners alike. Fans are product and don’t mean crap.
If he handles himself behind the plate the same way in Milwaukee as in LA, then a year from now Brewers fans will be ecstatic that he is a free agent once again. Never seen a guy just flat out miss so many pitches. Maybe it comes from trying to frame, just catch the ball in the fingertips so the glove doesnt move, but many of them were easily catchable. Then there are the throws to get runners at the plate…. disastrous. How many outs/runs did he give away on those? More than a few, for sure. At least Barnes will give the staff confidence that the guy behind the dish hasnt forgotten what pitch he just called.
Keep holding out for contracts just to get a one year deal – LOL . You think people would understand, stop trying to wait the market out.
This was simply, he wanted nothing to do with what will be another train wreck of a season by the Mets. He sees his best chance to win in MIL and i dont blame him. They are young and have a chip on their shoulders and want to finish what they couldnt last year.
Mets didnt even make him an offer GENIUS!! they talked numbers but never made Grandal an offer….
Of course Dodger’s fans are going to hate and point out the negatives. No one player is perfect unless your Trout. It’s a definite upgrade offensively for the Brewers and now he has experienced catchers on the Brewers he can work with to try to improve his game defensively. All I know is that I’m happy that the Brewers are spending some of that new money they made during a deep playoff run and are trying to get back there again. It’s a step in the right direction but hopefully more steps are to come. Its going to be a battle in the central this upcoming summer and they need to improve as much as they are capable of doing financially.
Dodgers got to the point his defense was so poor they benched him in the playoffs in lieu of sub Mendoza line Barnes. There was a buzz in the stands of “what the hell is Roberts doing” whenever he double switched and put him in the lineup. Good luck Brewer fans.
Value on onbase %. That’s great although 18 mil seems steep. We are ready to make our run, mad bum or not.
And just like that, the Brewers helped themselves, Bryce Harper and Scott Boras, and the Marlins.
1 – Brewers upgrade at catcher, when they were already one of the best NL teams.
2 – Dodgers now have to up the ante to put a bit more $$$ to secure Harper.
3 – Dodgers need help at catcher, and also to up the ante, so they may need to go a bit deeper in their offers for Realmuto.
Could’ve had 4 years of security. His agent is a jabroni
4 years of security with a traditional train wreck or 1 year with a team that just lost in the NLCS and may be the best team in the league entering this season? Hmmm…
Maybe the best team in the league?????? IDK, maybe being a Marlins fan makes everyone else look really good but they dont look like clear front-runners even in their own division to my admittedly limited sight.
At least his health is good. He almost caught a cold the other day, but he missed it…
… It’s called a passed virus.
Wonder if Grandal did not want Dodgers or Dodgers did not want Grandal? Like most catcher’s he wore down quite a bit. Good start poor finish. Listening to him interviewed on the radio trying to string a sentence together was painful.
Catcher is such a tough position to fill with high level talent, is unbelievable he had to settle for a 1 year deal. Shame on the Rockies for not seeing an obvious opportunity to upgrade. Maybe spending money on 30+ RPs with high 3/low 4 ERAs isn’t a good strategy to success.
Definitely not a championship caliber team by any means
Good signing for the Crew. The catcher position was absent any real offense last season. Grandal will fix that. You gotta like it if you’re a Brewers fan, on just a one year commitment.
The Crew would be a threat in the NL Central if they could get a pair of good arms and stop dismissing a SP upgrade.
I’m still startled that staff got them to the NLCS last year, especially with Gio going down after the trade and Nelson out all year.
I’ll agree, Grandal could have possibly done some damage in Colorado. He would be a fit for the Rockies, but with Tom Murphy waiting in the wings, I doubt they wanted to drop QO money on a catcher. That rotation needs help in Denver.
Heck, Denver needs help in Denver.
LOL
Yeah, it’s kinda as the old adage goes…”it’s a nice place to visit, but I wouldn’t wanna live there.”
I just don’t understand their front office.
They have lots of holes. They need a bare minimum of two front-end SP’s, they have holes at 2B, RF, now they need a closer and that’s to say nothing of catcher.
Yet they sit on their hands into the new year and have only added Daniel Murphy (good move, though)
Maybe one day ownership will learn how to design that team.
Scout, draft and develop SP’s and trade for other high-end hurlers. Have power hitters all over the field and spend on a bullpen (just spend on better relievers than they did last year) I mean, how is signing Dunn to a big contract better than retaining Ottavino?
Two seasons of making the playoffs (barely) but not capitalizing this off-season.
Makes no sense.
Brewers are loaded with young homegrown pitching. And Braun/Thames is a plenty good RF situation.
He’s obviously talking about the Rockies, but he didn’t reply to his own post, so it is a bit confusing.
It just goes to show…owners are more concerned with the bottom line…spending as little as possible and going as far as they can while making some profit. Winning a World Series is just viewed as a plus.
25 years the Rockies have been in existence, and ownership still hasn’t found a GM that can design a winning formula.
Just…wow.
Brewers fans are applauding this signing but Dodgers fans are giving it a standing ovation. Grandal’s absolutely horrendous defense in the post season was trumped only by his poor offense. Dude is 8 for 75 (.107) in the playoffs. His defense was so poor Roberts turned to sub Mendoza line Barnes in the playoffs and Dodgers fans raised their arms high and commented “what the hell is Roberts doing” whenever he double switched and put Grandal behind the plate. Bottom line, nobody wanted Grandal on the field, much less use $18 million in resources to sign him. A pen is the Brewers tool of ignorance.
That’s so weird because I could’ve sworn the Dodgers gave him a qualifying offer of $17.9M. That extra 100K must make all the difference in the world for resource use.
Just to fix a mistake I didn’t notice until now…
Of course I meant Davis, not Dunn, when referring to Rox relievers.
The team would have been better off going with Ottavino as closer and possibly inking him long-term, rather than spending outrageously on Wade Davis.
Ottavino has proven he can succeed at Coors, I think everyone was sceptical that Davis would live up to his contract, making Chapman money.
Shaw wasn’t a safe bet, either.
McGee, on the other hand, i’d have gotten hosed, myself. I’d have probably laid out the cash for him.
Most 30 yr old catchers do not improve year to year. Unless he wanted no part of being a Met, his agent should be fired.
I just hope as a Brewer fan that it’s a straight platoon with Pina and not a 550 PA year for YG. The Crew have struggled with strikeouts and poor clutch hitting for some time now and Grandal is only going to add to those woes.
I don’t think their spending 18M for a platoon player
In what world is Yasmani Grandal going to struggle offensively more than Manny Piña? I mean… is it possible? Sure, but I’d say the odds are overwhelmingly in favor of him being the better hitter. Look at the cold, hard stats, man!
…and I like Manny. He’s easily one of the top (now) backup catchers in baseball.
In a world called 2017, when Grandal had a lower bWAR (2.2) and OPS (.308) than Pina (2.7, .327).
Grandal had a 1.7 oWAR to Pina’s 1.3. He also slugged .459 to Pina’s .424, giving him an OPS that was .016 points higher. They were close, but Pina was not better offensively – and that’s sandwiched in-between 2 years where Grandal put up significantly better numbers, so I think it’s safe to say Vanilla Good is right – it’s possible Pina is the better offensive player, but the odds are overwhelmingly in Grandal’s favor.
Grandal still slugged .459 to Pina’s .424 and had the higher OPS in 2017. That was also Grandal’s lowest OBP year by far.
Manny’s going to be an awesome backup for a year and will probably be the starter again in ’20.
Hmmmm. Passed on 50+ million to sign for 18 million. One steroid bust, slightly less bat speed or injury and .241 with 24 homers turns into .210 with 8 wall scrapers and begging for a job at this time next year. Risky for Grandal, but good move for Brewers given there current backstops. Maikel Franco on his way to Milwaukee next for a reliever?
Grandal isn’t on steroids dumb dumb!
When’s the last time a mutual option was exercised by both parties? Was it Jason Giambi back in 2012?
I was just wondering the same thing. With the way money is spent these days, I can’t even envision many scenarios where a mutual option would be exercised. If a player had a great year and REALLY loved where he was playing, maybe. Otherwise, how? A good to great year and the player will test the market (and likely rightfully so). A mediocre to bad year and… well, the player gets to test the market.
Brewers did amazing with signing Grandal. It’s a no commitment contract for one of the best pitch-framers in baseball and one of the most offensive catching threats in baseball.
Their pitchers will benefit greatly from him, especially young up & comers like Woodruff.
For those Dodger fans who have the “don’t let the door hit yourself on the way out mentality,” remember that they have no comparable replacement for Yasmani. Barnes may be better defensively but was horrible at the plate. Yasmani probably faded the last month of the season and in the post-season because he was tired. He wasn’t supposed to play in as many games as he did but Barnes was so ineffective it forced he Dodgers to do so. Right now, the Dodgers are either hedging their bets on Barnes being better or are stockpiling the newly received prospects from other organizations to spin a trade for Realmuto. But presently as it stands on paper, they are worse in the catching position and in right field.
What a fool not to take 4/60 !!!!!!!
The national league is going to be super competitive…
NL EAST
Braves need to prove last year wasn’t a fluke…the Nats even without Harper are going to be good (If they do retain Harper though…by far the NL favorites)
The Phillies will be better esp. With one of Machado or Harper…
The Mets have improved drastically and that staff makes them a threat regardless..
NL CENTRAL
Brewers have a move or two in them…helping them keep pace…Cubs need health..but still a threat…Cards got Goldy…Miller…still in the hunt
NL WEST
Dodgers will fill holes and be at the top..Rockies will be right there as long as the rotation stays the course…if the Padres use some prospects to acquire a huge piece along with a savvy signing…could be wildcard worthy….Giants will either be in contention for a wildcard or the #1pick
It’s going to be a fun year
Cubs and cardinals are still the favorite. Brewers traded their best defensive player for nothing in return..they still dont have an ace let alone a #2 pitcher.
Hader was good last year. I just can see him being that great again. Knebel is overrated.. lost his closer job to hader. Their big signing thus far was spangenberg. Maybe theyll re-sign their ace wade miley
Everything you said here is wrong. All of it.
No it’s not. Brewers got worse on defense trading brinson and signing their new 2nd baseman corey spangenberg
Does anyone know if the mutual option would cause us to get a comp pick if he elects free agency? To me it seems like the same as if a club picks up an option, but the player rejects it and goes to FA, giving them a comp pick. Is this this case? I can’t seem to find anything on mutual options saying anything about that, other than there not common.
There are likely several teams who are not comfortable adding players who have been caught cheating. YEAH!!! I wish there were more.
It likely the reason why his price dropped so far. I’m glad I don’t have to root for him.
Talk about overpay. Wow. He’s a good catcher. 16mil for the 15th best catcher in baseball. Give the top 14 catchers 20mil dollar raises right now.
Hes so good dave Roberts benched him in the world series.