TODAY: Morosi now tweets that the Giants have left the Brewers with the impression that “a young starting pitcher — Corbin Burnes, Brandon Woodruff, or Freddy Peralta — would need to be part of [an] offer” to make a deal on Bumgarner. Of course, that may only be one portion of a palatable package.
Whether the Milwaukee organization has any inclination to pay such a price is not evident. It’s also far from clear just how active the discussions really are at this time. Per Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle, on Twitter, “nothing substantive is being discussed at the moment” regarding Bumgarner.
YESTERDAY: The Giants and Brewers have had “substantive communication” this offseason regarding a potential Madison Bumgarner trade, Jon Morosi of MLB.com wrote this morning. While there’s no indication that the sides are particularly likely to reach agreement, it seems there’s serious interest on the part of the Milwaukee organization.
From the surface, at least, it’s tempting to view this as a possible blockbuster. Morosi suggests a deal involving the star lefty — a still-youthful player with unmatched postseason credentials — could be the only immediate means available for the Giants to “obtain high-end young players.” And the Brewers rotation is more notable for its depth than for big names at the top of the staff — a state of affairs that has often led to outside calls for a major strike.
Upon closer examination, though, it’s hard to see immense value in the contract rights to the undeniably accomplished hurler. After all, he has not only been limited by injury over the past two seasons, but has exhibited numerous declines in peripheral numbers. To be sure, he has still managed to secure excellent results, and he’s hard to count out at just 29 years of age, but there’s real concern about Bumgarner’s outlook.
With just one season of control remaining, at a not-insignificant $12MM rate, it’s tough to imagine any team giving up its favorite prospects for the chance to see what’s left in the tank. Neither does it make much sense for new Giants president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi to part with MadBum for little more than cost savings. All said, it’s not entirely surprising that there has been so little chatter this winter on Bumgarner despite the Giants’ reported willingness to move him. Indeed, last we heard (nearly one month back), it was said to be increasingly unlikely he’d be dealt before the start of the season.
Beyond that, Brewers GM David Stearns proved last year that he won’t be swayed by outside opinions on the state of his club’s pitching staff. While the consensus was that the Milwaukee org needed to bolster the top of its rotation — both last winter and in the mid-season trade period that followed — the club largely elected to go with internal options bolstered by seemingly unexciting outside acquisitions. While the resulting staff was hardly dominant, it was a solid unit (particularly when paired with an excellent bullpen) that allowed the Brewers to exceed expectations.
All that being said, it’s plenty notable that the Brewers seem to have serious, ongoing interest in Bumgarner. While the sides obviously have not lined up to this point, Morosi goes so far as to say that the Milwaukee club is “most likely” to land Bumgarner if he does end up being moved. The Brew Crew brass is said still to be conducting “internal deliberations” on the matter, suggesting that the two teams are still looking for ways to bridge the gap in negotiations — and, perhaps, that both sides have some reason to think they may be able to do so.
He is a starter they desperately need
Desperately? No.
Their rotation isn’t really good if you Are honest
Damn to think they had 2 OF that the Giants woulda had interest in. Those & a prospect I would think woulda got it done.
One of those and a prospect would have got it done
Let’s discuss this latest Morosi rumor…….
How about a pool on the date and time that all involved deny knowing anything about this?
I typed Morosi and autocorrect came up with Moroni. Perfect.
Not a story.
Wow; it feels like a third team would have to be involved, as I don’t see the Brewers dealing Hader or Yelich. Bumgarner is a rental guy, and as the article points out, has been hurt and in a bit of decline. But he’s still fairly young and still good. The Giants would be very wise to deal him but I’m not sure the Brewers have the right prospects to get this done. They do have a good farm system, so it’s possible the Giants would take a bulk prospect haul. I think a healthy Bumgarner would be fun to see on another competitive team, pitching for a big FA payday.
MadBum is a country boy at heart but Id love to see him in The Bronx with the Yanks. He is a complete Bulldog and a competitor in big games. I think any contender that acquires him might just rejuvenate him and get good return on a deal.
He can do what ohtani does.
Awesome players
Ohtani bats above the Mendoza line, and in one season has more HR than Bumgarner in his entire career.
yeah, I thought of that b4 I rushed out to eat
Maybe because Ohtani got many more ABs than Bumgarner has ever gotten in a season and got them consistently. Just a thought.
Hi1600
I like your thought, great point
Bum is not a good hitter he strikes out like half the time, he just swings really hard at everything. Not a great Method.
He’s only getting about 3 plate appearances every 5 days — what else should he be doing? He’s got 17 home runs in 531 at-bats over his career — that’s pretty good.
With how many strikeouts and what batting average? His hitting is overrated. No where near as good as ohtani
Who the hell cares about his hitting?!? Lmfao
Ray, erceg, and one of the big league arms woodruff, burnes, peralta
If you ask me that’s way too much for a 1 year rental who’s been hurt the last two years. Ray and erceg alone is too much
the injuries aren’t really an indication of any future performance. they didn’t have anything to do with his mechanics or stress from the game, one was a freak hit by a comebacker and the other a dirt bike. you can question his declining numbers, but again he was also pitching coming off of injuries so essentialy extended rehab starts. you aren’t going to really know what you have until his numbers start coming in …
That’s way too much
One year rental that’s been injured ?
One prospect is what I’m saying and maybe and throw in like a spangenberg
Erceg put a .688 OPS at Double A. He’s not much of a consequential prospect. Ray has K/contact issues but obviously enormous upside. Bumgarner could be the missing piece for a WS title though. I’d have to strongly consider that if I were Stearns. Given the presence of Yelich and Cain long term
With that outlook the deal wouldn’t happen. And in reality that might be the situation.
If the brewers really think they can win post season baseball with a bullpen game, then more power to them. I don’t think they can.
I honestly believe the Brewers were 1 Bumgarner away from have a shot at the World Series last year. Is a prospect that is not a slam dunk (very few ever are) worth wasting another year?
Also, I’d keep in mind…any team that is successful in trading for Bumgarner now will likely pay LESS in terms of prospects than they will at the deadline. Once a healthy, productive Bumgarner is on the market at the deadline, every single playoff team will try to acquire him. The price will go up. Very few teams see the need right now. There will be 10 teams that will be interested in July all with a WS Ring altering their thoughts.
This scenario is the #1 reason why I think the Giants hold on to him this offseason. They are going to get everything they want now, or they will just wait. They know they have a stud, that barring freak accident is not going to injure himself, will not tire down the stretch, and is too competitive to not prove everyone wrong that he deserves every dollar coming to him in free agency.
Speaking to Brewers fans…this is like Sabathia back in 2008. Nobody wanted to give up LaPorta, but he ended up being the worst player CLE got in that deal.
LaPorta, I was static with that deal. You think he’s worth a couple of top prospects who project to be the type of cornerstone of a rebuild for a 1 year rental though. That’s bananas.
I would maybe throw Erceg in if this was 100% necessary. But I would try not to. Having Shaw at third for the next few years makes him expendable if you have to
Yeah I’m a Cubs fan, and you won’t get close to that. Maybe you get Ray and a couple lottery tickets if your lucky. I’d be surprised if it was even the equivalent of Ray by himself.
My god?
Of course you’d take a flyer on the guy, but you’re not going to give up any top 5 prospects for one year of MadBum. It’d have to be a few lottery tickets and a major league ready piece. That’s a guy you want on your team. But I really don’t see a compelling reason for the Giants to let him go until the deadline…
Yes, yes and yes. Giants aren’t under any need to trade MadBum, and they’d probably get just as much on July 31 as they will now. I can see Ray MAYBE (he’s a walking K-machine anyway). But names likes Burns (especially), Erceg, Woodruff and Hiurra definitely not.
No, the Giants are not going to get more for MadBum on July 31st when the acquiring team only gets him for 2 months as opposed to a full season and can’t QO him.
I could see that happening if contenders get into a bidding war at the deadline. That’s totally feasible.
I dunno. I think a team(s) gets desperate at the deadline. Then the Giants have all the reason in the world to cash in by at the very least getting some high end prospects, and they very likely have an edge at re-signing him to a multi-year contract in the offseason anyway… All they give up is 2 months with him.
And you’d get to see which MadBum you’re getting, the very good one or the very “meh” one…….Some of the shine is definitely off the guy…..If the BrewCrew is going to talk Burns or Hiurra, they can get better than MadBum……
If they trade that for him at the deadline they’ll just look stupid for not doing it in the offseason
In theory that’s how that would work but that’s certainly not necessarily the case in reality. If you think at this point you’re trading for Bumgarner of the last 2 years you’re not giving up much of a haul. If he looks like the guy of old at the deadline you certainly would give more. Could go that way for sure
If he continues doing what he has done for the last 2 years the SFG will get significantly less at the deadline. His arm has been in decline for over 2 years.
You Giant fans need a reality check. I realize the D-Backs retooling gives you some hope, but do you really think the G men are going to jump over the Dodgers and Rockies? I get you love Bumgarner. But get what you can now for him and re-sign him as a FA a year from now.
Are people confused on who Erceg is? This isn’t Hiura. Bob, you said you might trade Ray but not Erceg? The man who put up a .688 Ops in AA in 2018? The guy who put up a 724 ops in high A in 2017? Following this careeer trajectory he’s not going to make it to the majors for anything more than a cup of coffee.
“Top 5 prospects” are all relative. The Brewers system is not great. The only top 100 prospect they have is Hiura. Corey Ray ranked MIL #2 prospect. He is an athletic guy with potential, but he is not considered a top prospect in baseball. He is not a top OF Prospect in the minors. He has potential, but the reality is that he hit .239 with 176 strikeouts in 532 ABs in AA as a 24 year old.
I’d love to have him in my organization, but him alone, or with throw ins, will not get any team the missing playoff piece and top of the rotation starter.
To get something you have to give something of equal or greater value. If not, it’s on to the next team…and that might just be the Cardinals, Cubs, Pirates, etc.
Well said bleedingorange! “To get something you have to give something of equal or greater value. If not, it’s on to the next team …”
If Zaidi can’t WIN a trade (Bumgarner or even Posey) then the Giants are much better off keeping both of them.
Other teams recognize what value Bumgarner or Posey would bring to their team. Those teams only want to WIN the trade at the Giants expense.
So far I have not seen any possible trades that would help the Giants win anymore games. Venditte and Valera certainly won’t make any difference. Both appear to be “thrown in” type players to fill utility roles; definitely not capable of being starters.
“He has potential, but the reality is that he hit .239 with 176 strikeouts in 532 ABs in AA as a 24 year old”
The reality is he was 23yrs old (turned 24 after the season) and hit 32 doubles, 7 triples, 27HR with 37SB as a CF and leadoff hitter with a 10% walk rate and 124 wrc+ playing in a pitchers park. I think his wrc+ was like 137 heading into the final month of the season where he was unlucky more than he slumped. But by all means just use batting average and Ks!! He was a Top 40 heading into 2017 then had a down A+ but leaped forward in AA in 2018. He’s absolutely a Top 100 talent.who has his warts but there’s a ton to like too.
Only here for ridiculous packages proposed by Giants fans. Don’t disappoint me, MLBTR.
You won’t be have you seen some of the nonsense up top? How in the world do they expect multiple top prospects?
Some of them hurt my brain. Bum is only under control for 2019, had a down season in 2018, has diminishing velocity… There’s zero reason to give up a decent prospect for him.
Bumgarner has been a prominent figure in 3 WS wins and you won’t even give up a “decent” prospect? Hopefully the Milwaukee front office is smarter than their nitwit fans.
Craig Counsell was a prominent figure in 2 WS wins.
MadBum’s post-season performance will have very little impact on the package of prospects the Giants receive.
His playoff performances from more than three years ago have no bearing whatsoever on his current value.
He was a prominent figure when he was good. Right now, he isn’t all that good. And his contract expires after 2019. He’s got minimal trade value. I’m not even a Brewers fan, you clown. Hopefully they’re smarter than you, but that bar seems like an awfully low one to clear.
Yeah but that was a long time ago. He might bring one of the Brewers top 5 prospects. Might not. Mad Bum isn’t bringing anything close to a top pitcher package. Not even close. He just means a lot more to Giants fans than the rest of the world.
Sorry, but you are 100% wrong. Any team that even engages in trade talks with the giants about Bumgarner will be specifically for his post season performance. The return will be to ensure he is pitching for them when it counts, not against them.
I’d like to hear 5 active starting pitchers in all of baseball that you would rather start a post season game…better yet, a must win game. Then I wonder, how many currently pitch for the Brewers and how many of them are available via trade. And to make it even more appealing, how many of them are not owed over. $100 million guaranteed?
Five years ago, you had a case. Today, not so much.
I’ll take Kershaw, Sale, Nola, deGrom, Schezer. There’s five and it didn’t take long to come up with those names.
It seems the majority of the commentators want to speculate that because MadBum has been injured parts of the past 2 seasons that MadBum may be on the decline. And, teams know MadBum is entering his walk year so they want to steal him from the Giants.
If MadBum isn’t still an ace then why are teams still being reported as interested in trading for him? These same teams want to get MadBum as cheaply as they can by mentioning all of the “so called” negatives. But at the same time these same teams know if they can get MadBum their team is drastically changed for the better; suddenly a real contender.
Jim Bowden said it best last night “if there was ANY pitcher I could choose to pitch Game 7 of the World Series hands down it would be Madison Bumgarner … he knows how to win and isn’t afraid of the moment.”
Zaidi better WIN any potential trade of MadBum!!! You don’t trade a franchise player like MadBum and not WIN the trade. If Zaidi doesn’t he may as well pack his suitcase and head back to the Dodgers.
So when hes 40 years old, does that mean he still has immense value due to his postseason stats? That has little to no bearing on his value.
But he’s not 40, is he now? He’s 29 coming off 2 seasons which he averaged around 3.30 ERA
Brewers get : madbum, belt, sandoval, balboni jr. And international $
Giants get : cain, hader, shaw, aguilar ,davies, 200 million cash, and ken phelps glove.
Absent a strong offer, MadBum is staying put. He’s very popular with the fan base and he’ll put butts in seats in the early season if nothing else. Doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to deal him for a middling package. Give him a chance to rebuild a little value and trade at the deadline.
So if a trade is foreseen, do u think the value would be higher now or at trade deadline?
Well it depends on if he stays healthy and performs as well as he is capable of. If he does, it would be absolutely higher at the deadline. Even for a few month rental, he’d be one of the premier pieces on the market.
I just think it’s a risk worth taking for SF because he’s such a popular player anyway. He’ll at least keep fan engagement afloat if the season goes poorly, as it almost certainly will.
Higher at the deadline. Teams with Post Season hopes will bid each other up. Red Sox, Yankees, astros, Indians, dodgers, cardinals, cubs, brewers, nationals, braves, Phillies, will all want him. The thought of allowing their rivals get him will make them more willing to part with that prospect they aren’t sure if they want to let go.
Let’s not talk in absolute certainties here. If Bumgarner continues to pitch the way he is the last 2 seasons the price will not go up. If he gets back to his Ace form it will but that’s no certainty.
Almost certainly lower, significantly, his arm has been in decline for over 2 years.
They dont have the prospects the giants can and should demand ..MadBum cant reject just about any trade. Cant seen this happening.
If it’s woodruff…..I’m actually ok with that trade. I honestly feel the brewers would have a fair shot at resigning him if he turned his career around with a good season in Milwaukee. The window is just now opening for playoff runs and he would anchor that staff. Plus some players enjoy the smaller city lifestyle. I know it’s shocking but not every player dreams of playing in NY, LA or Bos. They just pay the most….
The crew can’t and shouldn’t try to compete for high end free-agent pitchers who will get huge dollars and lengthy contracts. Those guys and the risks that come with them are simply better suited to larger market teams. Just think Jeff Suppan… and he wasn’t even close to elite.
Its gonna be alot more than woodruff. At least 2 of their top 5 prospects.
Dude, you need to stop going to the dispensary before commenting. There is ZERO chance the Giants get that from anyone.
Well the trade is gonna start with ray..
No man, they’d be thrilled if they even got Ray. Possible but kinda doubt it. And Ray only because of the risk.
Kris Bryant for MadBum who says no?
The Marlins.
Theo hangs up as soon as he hears kris bry…
That was in response to the ray and erceg trade post…..not sure how it didn’t post it under that. Ray, erceg and woodruff I’d be ok with…
You’re smoking crack!
Do it Brewers
Wow not one trade idea including Hiura yet, are Giants fans asleep?
Hiura and ALL THE BEER.
And bratwurst. And Bernie Brewer.
SF already has Anchor Steam and myriad other great microbreweries. We good.
Love the article. Jeff always adds something interesting, instead of just droning on about the obvious. Case and point:
“Brewers GM David Stearns proved last year that he won’t be swayed by outside opinions on the state of his club’s pitching staff. While the consensus was that the Milwaukee org needed to bolster the top of its rotation — both last winter and in the mid-season trade period that followed — the club largely elected to go with internal options bolstered by seemingly unexciting outside acquisitions.”
A small market GM’s psychological predilections are not something your average baseball writer will talk about:).
The only thing that I would’ve added to what he stated is that pundits (and us Brewers fans) see the glaring need for that starter that can rest the bullpen almost every 5 days. Stearns will not overpay though, his name isn’t Doug Melvin.
People mention bumgarners decline but he isn’t even 30 yet ad it could have just been a down year. I’d gladly add him on my team any day
Yeah he’s 29, but he has a lot more mileage on his arm than most his age. I think that needs to be considered too
Bum is like 6-4, 6-5, and country strong. The mileage on someone of his body type is much less than for someone like Tim Lincecum or Marcus Stroman, for example.
If we were talking football players (such as running backs) I’d likely agree but I don’t think there’s a link between size and arm durability. If there’s proof of a connection I’m happy to read it though
There’s a belief of a link between size and durability. That’s why you rarely see right-handed pitchers less than six feet tall.
That I could see potentially, but in this case we’re comparing him to his peers, which probably average six feet and an inch or two. Just not convinced there’s a difference in how many innings a six foot one guy can throw as opposed to a six foot five guy
The average MLB pitcher is six inches taller than the average American male.
6 foot 4 then…so MadBum is essentially average. Thus I think the mileage on his arm is very important
His velocity has been declining since before the injuries though. That’s why his swing and miss rate is down and hard hit rate is up. He’s still an effective pitcher, but those things are red flags.
People mentioned his decline because of a drop in results, and a drop in velocity. No one mentioned his age. Their is no magic age at which, expectantly, every player declines.
All the commas and adverbs in this post obfuscate the writer’s point to me. I’m sure lots of people will disagree and mock me for pointing this out. I don’t really care. I have to sift through a seemingly limitless supply of academic writing in my daily life and never see this much comma overuse.
You likely need to shift your attention to MLBGCTR then…
Congratulations on having no friends.
sick burn bro
You have my apologies, sir (or madam), but the simple fact is that my own academic background is in the law, such that lengthy, over-punctuated, run-on sentences have become an undeniable, essential part of who I am — not just when I’m writing, but in my own thoughts as well, and much to my own disdain, if I’m being honest.
Give them ray and another mid level prospect, no chance I would offer much more than that.
Huira would probably have to be in this deal for SF to pull the trigger.
There it is.
I actually laughed out loud. Thank you
There is zero chance the Brewers include Hiura.
Lol!
I would be surprised if SF did the deal. Then again, I am not a MIL or SF fan and not familiar with either of their farm systems/needs
Prospects are overhyped about 90% of the time. Bumgarner is an established stud, and his injuries are freak rather than diminished arm injuries. I think they would have to start with hiura
Go look at Huiras stats and say 6 years of a (at the very least) good contact hitter with a little pop isn’t worth 1 year of a starter on a non-competing team. Yes, he’s a legend in SF and in baseball in general. He’ll probably just resign with SF again after this season. Why would you give up the future at 2nd base for 1 year of a starter who’s clearly starting to show some ware?
An established stud with 1 year of control left. No team would be willing to give up multiple prospects, or multiple young talents that could be relied on for multiple years for a guy you’ll have for one year guaranteed.
Or much less the guy who outhit Vlad Guerra Jr in the Arizona Fall League and will be a top 5 prospect to start the season when the new rankings come out. Not happening.
Lincecum and Cain 3.0? Sf burns there pitchers out mannnnn
I’m 2015 I felt horrible for his arm despite their title win. He carried that team big time
Not sure Mad Bum is the pitcher he was a few years ago. The first time the Giants won the series Lincecum was the ace, the second Cain was the ace, and the third Mad Bum. i think he is passed his prime.
Yankees where ya at?
I love Bumgarner, but it’s for the best we trade him. Honestly though, if Ray isn’t included in a package from the Brewers I’d be disappointed. Him and 2 minor prospects would get it done.
Wow, someone with a reasonable offer (though I think they could get another ok prospect to go with Ray). I know He has almost folk hero status in SF, but 1 year rental at $12 mil and declining velo does not equal a huge return. He could rebound like Verlander did, bit for a team to take that shot at 1 year they are going to have to accept a lower deal than most are proposing or pay down his contrac lt some to get a little better package.
Zaidi is familiar with Dodger players, sent Baumgarner there for Verdugo and some pitching.
Maybe Bumgarner isn’t the pitcher he was, and maybe he bounces back, a la Justin Verlander. But either way, had Bum been in the Brewer’s rotation last season, they probably beat the Dodgers and get to the WS. They probably don’t beat the Red Sox, But there’s a big difference between getting there, and not. If they do acquire him, and if he bounces back, they are clearly among the favorites to win it all. The Brewers have to decide if that’s worth the cost.
The Brewers have one of the worst farm stems in baseball.
They have 1 top prospect.
Yet they think they can get it done without including him?
Lol.
Giants would be better taking the draft pick if he leaves.
Let him pitch next season, if hes as good as ever put him on the market and see what the 10 teams that want him can come up with.
I’m sure it will be better than Milwaukees.
You’d rather have a draft pick than Corey Ray and another actual prospect?
Doesn’t even have to be prospects: Peralta, Burnes, Houser, Lopez, Davies, Woodruff all fit into the Giants plans. One of that group, Corey Ray and a couple lower level guys for MadBum more than gets it done.
Lopez was traded to KC, but if it’s Houser, Ray, and a lower guy or 2 it’s a deal!
People act like madbum lost his luster.
I’m not convinced gms think corey ray is a highly touted prospect at all
GMs absolutely think the former top 5 pick and 2018 double-A southern MVP is a highly touted prospect. He had an injury after being drafted but was top 100 and will be again at the start of 2019 when the new rankings come out.
This is a total non-story. The Giants have discussed Bum with a lot of teams, some in more depth than others. The asking price is going to be high, though not crazy. If it were the Brew Crew, I would guess Ray and Peralta.
Bum suffered two freak injuries. My guess is the Gs hold on to him to see if his peripherals come back up. If they do, they either trade him mid-season when his value has been clearly restored, or they offer him an extension.
I agree with a lot that you say, but can’t agree that’s it’s a non-story. Yeah, several teams have talked about Bumgarner, but the Brewers are probably the best fit. With all there talent, their greatest weakness is not enough pitching. They were so close last season, that Bum could be the final piece that puts them over the top. The Brewers know this and that could be enough for them to pull the trigger and pay the price that it will take. This moreso for them than the Braves, Phillies, Yankees, or any of the other teams that have previously been discussed. I think this is trade that could actually happen.
If Zaidi does trade MadBum (3 World Series Championship Rings) to Milwaukee he better get a Chris Sale (1 World Series Championship Ring) talent haul then Zaidi needs to pack his bags and go back to the Dodgers.
If MadBum is traded there is no Ace on the staff!!!
Who needs an ace when you’re gunning for 3rd place?
the giants aren’t setup to win this season and madbum is going to walk at the end of the season, the question isn’t whether he trades him, the question is what he can get
They still have Samardzija….. oh wait. They have been regretting that since he was signed for 80mil more than hes worth.
They have no need for an Ace which is exactly the reason why this deal probably gets done.
In theory a guy like Chase Anderson would be more valuable to SF right now then Mad Bum.
Anderson would provide them almost the exact same benefit this season as Mad Bum would. He’s going to eat up 150+ innings and have a sub 4.00 era, and he’d be a veteran presence to the rotation.
Mad Bums value over Anderson is only recognized on a team contending for a WS.
I could totally see the Brewers getting Mad Bum for Anderson, Ray, and Zach Brown.
Giants would get 3 seasons of Anderson, 1 OF prospect with an extremely high ceiling, and 1 pitching prospect with a high floor.
Best case scenario the Giants also end up resigning Mad Bum in 2020. In that scenario they would be ready to start contending again in 2020 and potentially set themselves up with 3/5 of their 2020 rotation in 1 deal, plus a potential 5tool CFer.
The only reason for the Giants not to make that deal would be bc they either have delusions of grandeur this season or nostalgic feelings of Mad Bum and what he’s meant to the team.
From a pure competitive standpoint it’s a win win for both orgs.
And I also think Anderson could be extremely valuable for them. You take him out of the NL central and all those small ballparks and let him pitch most his games in SF, SD, and LA he’s probably back to being a sub 3.00 era guy.
like this guys thinking and proposed trade
I am shocked that Atlanta isn’t more active on this Bumgarner front. They have legit pitching prospects that you know your not going to use all of them. I would easily throw 2 of them along with a position player prospect for MadBum.
I’d give the Giants a list of 6 pitching prospects they would be willing to give up and tell them to pick 2
Then do the same with position players.
So for pitchers..
Soroka..Wright..Gohara…Fried..Wentz and Tarnok
Hitters..Riley…Jackson…Pache..Waters..Peterson and Lungbauer…
Give up 4 of those guys for MadBum..
Sign him to a 4yr/$96mil extension
That makes the Braves scary good imo
And I’m a Mets fan
So Gohara,Riley,Soroka and Pache for
MadBum throw in Melancon and pay 10mil towards that and I think you’d have a deal
Remember..MadBum is a proven playoff performer….The Braces should go all in for this
All good points. Braves and Giants match up fantastically but Riley, Soroka and Wright aren’t going to be on the table here.
Id assume a Bumgarner trade on Atlanta’s front would at most include 2 legit prospects. I don’t think ATL would want to give up Soroka, Toussaint, Wright, or Riley. My thought is the Giants give Bumgarner and 1 of Watson/Smith for Christian Pache, Kolby Allard, and a few minor prospects. That would be a solid package and a win-win for both sides imo.
Does the Atlanta FO believe that Bum is the difference in going to the WS or not? I’m not sure he is, and that’s the difference between the Braves and Brewers, Bum could be the difference there.
That is one of the worst proposals I have seen. You are tremendously over estimating what one year of MadBum will bring. Realistically the Braves would only have to give one of those names, maybe with another much lower ranked prospect.
I agree…but at some point a team will have to use the great assets they have built up and go and get that one piece needed for an October run. Is that an overpay..damn right it is…even so…the Braces still have 6 top 100 prospects…a legit ace and proven playoff performer…and chances are 3 out of the 4 prospects don’t pan out…and even if all 4 do…im sure a world series title would easily cancel that out..and if u didn’t notice…i had the Braves signing him to a 4yr contract…eliminating the rental aspect
They can use the chips if they want but they don’t use them for a massive Dave Stewart esque overpay
No way would Atlanta do that for one year of any pitcher. I doubt Atlanta would even do that for three years of Kluber.
@ DeMatteo
So you’ve spoken to MadBum and he’s fine signing that extension and foregoing his last real opportunity at free agency?
I’m just throwing out what i think would be fair market value for a 30yr old left-handed ace…just an opinion..god forbid I have one of those
Ray, Lutz, & a lotto ticket arm get it done.
The narrative that Bumgarner has limited trade value and is an injury risk, has become comical.
We are literally talking about the greatest World Series pitcher in history. And this in not a limited sample size, but 3 different World Series.
You can talk about declining peripherals all you want. The dude has the cajones and guile to pitch on the biggest stage. Any he has never been a pitcher that has depended on raw stuff.
Prospects are just that. If a team wants to take the next step……especially, the Brewers, Braves, Yankees that have mediocre starting pitching, then they sacrifice young talent.
Look, braves need to be in this discussion as well. I see no reason why we shouldn’t be. Heck, he’s from braves country I believe.
Worthless article. Giants not doing anything. Zaidi is a bum.
Lol He’s no Bum. Bum has 3 rings! Zaidi has zero!
36 innings pitched. 1 earned run. A World Series Legend.
Ray, Diplan, and Lutz??
This is a realistic and acceptable offer for MadBum. Do plan can easily be swapped out with multiple lottery ticket arms currently in the Brewers farm system.
This is a sensible and realistic offer for one year of a former ace who’s peripherals have been slowly declining as of late. Two solid prospects and a lottery ticket arm.
Frazier, bird and elisbury…get it done Cashman. Just don’t touch future guaranteed hall of famer Andujar!!!!! Just wanted to sound like a yankee looser for once
As long as the Brewers are paying for what Bumgarner will give them, not what he has already given the Giants. There’s a lot of heavy mileage on that arm, and the underlying peripherals don’t paint an amazing picture going forward.
Still a very talented, worthwhile arm…just not the Bumgarner we’ve already seen.
Bumgarner will still throw 200 plus innings dude. This dude is still better then any starter on the crews team!
Not sure what you’re trying to argue – I already said, he’s talented and worthwhile. I didn’t say anything about how many innings he’ll throw, or what Brew starters are worse.
Are you imagining things again?
Lol, what is it that you think I’m imagining? You stated a lot of mileage on his arm, so I stated he will still throw 200 plus innings. And yes you will have to pay for what he did for the Giants, and what he would still do for the Giants. Is that enough for ya smart ass?
Well, even if you only got one postseason of vintage Bum then it’s still worth it.
Too much upside. Rather have 3 years at 35 million a year Kershaw ?
Still on the fence with trading him but if it helps the franchise moving forward we have to consider it right? How about MadBum, Watson/Smith (or both) for Corey Ray, Tristen Lutz, Adrian Houser and a lotto pick like Justin Jarvis. Ray and Lutz would be the projectable OF the Giants crave, Houser could step into the bullpen in 19
Very fair offer. Brewers fans need to realize that the Giants arent handing Bumgarner away. If they want him, pay for him. If not, good luck next year!
I think so too, if they want both Smith and Watson then add another mid level prospect and call it a day. If they don’t then we don’t move him. We need to start taking steps in the right direction
Go get him brew crew!!!!!
Completely ridiculous that anyone is calling Bumgarner injury prone lol.
He has been in the Majors for 9 years, has only been on the DL twice and both injuries were sustained in FREAK ACCIDENTS, not from chronic arm problems or something like that. He is no more of an injury risk than any other player.
Look up the defn of “injury prone.” He has gotten injured in two of the last two years. I have not seen anyone specify a particular cause of injury to the proneness.
New to baseball? The type of injury has long been the defining criterion for whether or not a guy is injury prone.
Broken pinky by a comebacker, and a dirt bike accident isn’t injury prone. This dude will pitch better this year then 80 % of starting pitchers out there.
Agree
I don’t know if anyone noticed, but I was looking at some of the past and present giants pitchers and they all seem to fall apart around the late 20’s. Lincecum, Cain now cueto and possibly Bumgarner? Does anyone have any idea why this is?
Possibly the training staff, lifting/ workouts can cause injuries or failing to notice ailments before they are serious. Also Lincecum has a degenerative hip disorder, that’s tough to spot as a training staff, and all three guys, Cain, Timmy and MadBum threw a LOT of innings between 2010 and 2014, even before then Cain and Timmy threw quite a bit. Bumgarner didn’t make it to the bigs until 2010
Look, I’m a “if you don’t like it, don’t read it” guy, but come on.
Enough with the clickbait.
The Brewers, like any team, have an interest in MadBum.
There’s your headline.
They have expressed that interest to the Giants, but are nowhere near having any traction for a deal.
There’s the “story”.
Oh, the sun rises in the West, too.
Completely correct! Unless someone offers something they can’t refuse, (Mlb ready talent) then forget it. Kicking the can isn’t news. Trade deadline is were teams get desperate. Giants will wait
Brewgarner
Nice
Corey Ray and Marcos Diplan should get it done. Maybe throw in a late blooming lottery ticket like Gilbert Lara. It’s more than the Brewers will want to pay but should be enough for the Giants.
Madbum and Longoria for Ray Woodruff Low tear prospect.
Why would the Brewers want Longoria? Shaw’s a much better player at this point. Longoria drops the return for Bumgarner
Drops it to nothing and would require the Giants also send Heliot Ramos to
Milwaukee for a bag of balls. Have you seen Longoria’s contract and production?
Brewers are crazy to not get Bumgarner. Do you want prospects or a chance at a World Series? Bumgarner types don’t come around very often. Prospects that don’t amount to anything are everywhere. Enough with the “he’s a one year rental” “ too many injuries” . He’s 29 and very very cheap! Good luck not winning with that mentality. His injuries are not TJ surgeries, or anywhere close to TJ issues. He’s still a beast and after resting this offseason will be “country strong.”
Don’t expect the Giants to be able to restock the farm system by trading him. He’ll bring back one good prospect, one lesser prospect and maybe one lottery ticket. That’s all any team will give up for him. That’s all any team will give up for him at the deadline.
Teams will give up whatever they feel they need to give up in order to get him. It’s not like the Brewers are the only team in need of Bumgarner.
But I’d say Ray, Brown, and Stokes for MadBum would be fair. Would have to be something like that if the Brewers kept Hiura.
Braun for Bumgarner? Sure, why not.
I’d love to have Corey Ray. What could the Giants get for a Bumgarner and Will Smith package?
Take Chris Shaw from us too
The Brewers bullpen is pretty well stocked. No fit for Smith add on
Milwaukee is not interested in Will Smith for what the asking price would be.
I think the Nats go for Madison Bumgarner.
Bumgarner for Strasburg and Kieboom. Giants get Kieboom, a legit prospect, and relieve the nats of the awful contract of Strasburg and allow them to spend more freely. The Nationals literally Bobby Bonilla’d the contract. They pay Stras until 2030. I’d think it’s pretty fair if the giants take care of that entire contract, they’d get a lot of money off the Nationals hands for somebody who will most likely end up being a reliever because of his injury issues.
This is ridiculous. Reading all this comments from Brew fans, how they hold on some prospects.
You have a chance to sign best ps pitcher in mlb history, in a ideal moment with Yelich in his prime and that bullpen who get you that far last year.
This is your window, right now, what frikin’ prospects, get him while he’s still outhere and i’m sure all Cubbies and Cards fans are start to panic.
Did they think to have a chance to sign maybe some free agent pitcher with madbum caliber next year or what, did yoy see what Corbin get, could you imagine what will Bum get if he’s back this full season with no freak injury.
Let’s imagine 2yrs ago did someone give you this scenario like it is right now, would you keep your “prized” kids for one piece you need to win it all.
Unreal
I believe that after 2 successive years of non-throwing injuries, MadBum should be poised to bounce back in 2019.. As an outdoors man from NC, as well as a pitcher who enjoys batting, MadBum might be predisposed to consider resigning were he traded to either Atlanta or Milwaukee.. Trouble is that if either of those two teams don’t trade for him in the off season, the price and other teams at the trade deadline will knock them out of contention to acquire MadBum.. The way that MadBum’s stats have taken a beating over the last few years due to the Giants lack of a closer and ineffectual hitting, combined with the team not being in contention for the next few years, it’s more than likely that MadBum signs with a team other than the Giants for 2020 and beyond.
I prefer the Giants keep him to be completely honest, he will keep the stadium filled every 5th game and even if they sign him to a long term deal, which I hope they do, let’s say he has some fall off towards the end of the contract, he has proven he can come out of the pen as a reliever
The starting pitcher the Brewers need is Josh Hader. He should be the opening day pitcher and the next Chris Sale is born. By making this move the Brewers will need another bullpen arm.
They won’t do this. They will keep Hader in the bullpen and Milwaukee will walk into 3rd place in 2019.
Milwaukee lead the NL in wins last year. Not just their division. The team is stacked.
If you don’t giants receive paxton like package, it’s a pass. Paxton was far more injury prone and I believe bum is better. But i get the 2yrs vs 1 yr for bum but bum is far more accomplished and can put a team over the top tryna get thru the hump of the postseason just my opinion. Is Anyway Robby Ray goes to Atlanta too what do y’all think?
Should be interesting to see the return if traded. Porcello is another who might be moved. His cost is huge which would limit his return but while not being sexy like MB, his ceiling of 2016 and the playoffs last year is significant. Plus there are no injury issues. The man has been durable.
MadBum for one season is worth a minor haul. Ray, Erceg and Ponce should get it done. All 3 could contribute this year.
I think I should start keeping track how many times I hear stuff about the brewers pitching staff and how they Need an ace to succeed. Oh wait, they don’t need an ace. Brewers Yankees WS 2019.
I’d like to see MadBum get a chance to get to the Post season again since it won’t be happening with my Giants. He could get way better run support on the Brewers than he could on the Giants. I think it would just be better for his career. I’ve watched him, Cain, Linceum, etc lose so many close games simply because the Giants couldn’t score runs. Hate to see him go but I really think he’d be better off.
People have to realize Stearns wants control of his ball players. 1 year in his books isn’t good enough, if madbum had 2 years left you might see a different deal. I’d love to see him in the crew uniform but there is a reason Stearns has been successful at what he does. He knows his limits.
So Giants fan here- so bias is known.
I dont know how to value the prospects for trade- I can only go with this- Bums last two years have had some freak accident hangover- even with the injures he still has pitched well. In post season interview in September of this year – he stated he never had full grip strength during the season because of the injury – he said he would correct it on the offseason. So one of his worst seasons was 3.26 era/2.5 war
I expect a huge year from Madbum in 2019 – and given his physical strength and constitution i think he will be one of the top post season pitchers next year- say top 5. Of course none of this means anything coming from me- but there is a value to his track record and he is still only 29. I get its one year of control – but I think he will cost more in July- if you get him now you get that extra 19 or so starts plus you can QA him.
Its all a gamble- such is life, but I would be willing to bet my own money Madbum is on valuable pitcher next season- so he is not going to be cheap- and if I’m the Giants I should get good return wither now or deadline .
Also for fun her are some postseason pitching stats: record/ ERA/ WHIP
8-3 2.11 .899
9-10 4.32 1.092
3-0 2.92 1.29
Madison Bumgardner
Clayton Kershaw
Ryan Vogelsong
Reportedly discussed means ZERO other than if you give me 2- Mad Bums I’ll give you the one I have
During the 2017 postseason, Morosi tweeted this:
“Fact: Clayton Kershaw (8) has made more postseason quality starts than Madison Bumgarner (7) since 2013.”
Considering he conveniently ignored Bumgarner’s prior postseason performances (Morosi loves the Dodgers), it showed a lack of responsible journalism on his part.
Since then he has reported other non-stories and bogus rumors.
Everyone needs to just ignore anything that begins “Jon Paul Morosi reports that …”.
Don’t waste your time
I agree ! It smells like a rat and a dead one,sounds our news media
Giants fans are absolutely high. There is no way the Brewers are trading multiple top prospects for MadBum. If that was what it took, they would be sending the same prospects to Cleveland for Kluber, or would keep the prospects and just sign Kuechel.
As much as anyone wants to say Ray iant that good of a prospect, hes the current MVP of the Southern League. He’s the type of prospect a deal is built around, not a throw in requiring multiple high end prospects.
Giants fan. I think that a Bumgarner Ray trade would work. The Giants don’t have any top outfield prospects in the high Minors and the outfield looks bad right now. If the Brewers want to give up a ton (they won’t), they could get a SP with more team control.
No way the Brewers are parting with Peralta Woodruff or Burnes. Did you see the way those three pitched in the postseason. They have ace written all over them with their stuff. Woodruff especially.
I’m a big Brewers fan, but Ace might be a stretch. Burnes is the only one imo that has ace potential.
If not top of the rotation then back end of the bullpen. Woodruff and peralta flat out blow hitters away
I would actually say Woodruff has the least chance at ending up at the top of the rotation. Sure his stuff is good in short bursts, but when he can’t just let it fly all out he’s much less effective. .246/.347/.393 line against him as a starter with a bad 1.44 K/BB ratio. From the pen .214/.260/.316 with a 6.8 K/BB. I think Burnes and Peralta end up with rotation spots and Woodruff sticks in the pen.
And there’s no way you’re getting madbum either lol, brewers are absolutely high thinking they’re getting a top starter for nothing! Keep looking for that ring. Madbum has more then one! Lol
id give up alot for Kluber…not Bum
Who wouldn’t?!?!? Kluber has 3 years of control, not 1!
yes yes more exclamation marks MAKE YOUR POINT LOUDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How many rings does Kluber have? Lol, fools
The numbers don’t really show him as a top starter anymore though. Giants fans are acting like they’re trying to trade for 2015 Bumgarner not the current version with 1 year of control.
Do it Stearns
Makes more sense to trade him at the mid-season trade deadline for both sides. Virtually every contender would like to add A dependable starter going into the postseason. The Giants should be able to get a larger haul. And if he’s regressed too much, no GM looks the fool for giving up too much at the start of the season.
No way Stearns does this, as he shouldn’t. Burnes, Peralta, and Woodruff just have too high of a ceiling to just give up for a 1 year rental. Even if it’s madbum. I get he’s a hero in San Francisco, I just don’t think it’s worth the long term future.
How the Brewers going to beat LA, HOU, BOS, NY without adding? Because they are.
Just have to depend and place trust into the younger guys. Let them develop into the pitchers that Stearns and the rest of the FO think they’re capable of.
No! Don’t do it!
I’m not a fan of either team so I have absolutely no stake in this, but here’s my two cents reading some of this absolutely laughable comments:
Bumgarner is an absolute stud. Anyone who talks about his “injuries” as a reason to NOT trade for him or NOT pay a steep price for one of the best pitchers in the game should be banned from commenting in the future. Madison Bumgarner does not have an injury history, he had one freak accident where he was hit by a line drive and one dirtbike accident. Those are the only reasons he’s had a couple of down years in which he was still the lone bright spot on a terrible Giants team.
If his medicals check out – and there’s no indication they won’t – any team trading for him is going to have to give up a haul if they acquire him today, right now, no question about it. However, if the Giants hold him (and they have no reason not to) into the season and he’s pitching like the best starter in the game, any team that acquires him at the deadline is going to have to give up their #1 prospect and more.
I’m not saying Milwaukee should sell the farm to get Bumgarner, but they shouldn’t balk at giving up major league talent, either. Adding Bumgarner to that rotation, with how close they were to the WS last year, I think puts them over the top and makes them instant favorites as a Yankees fan. And guess what? If the Brewers are out of it come the deadline and Bumgarner is healthy and pitching like an ace again, they can flip him to ANY contender for a monster return.
Think of what Boston, the Yankees, the Dodgers, Astros or more importantly, the Braves, would give up for arguably the best pitcher in baseball, fully healthy and putting up Cy Young numbers. Rental or not, if Bumgarner is pitching like DeGrom did last year, Milwaukee gets two of Soroka, Anderson, Riley, Pache or Gohara for him from Atlanta, or a similar return from any other playoff-bound team.
That’s a big return to consider and there’s no reason to assume Bumgarner isn’t healthy.
I agree with you. Milwaukee is one tor starter and especially him away from running away with the division. Give up who you need to get him. Hopefully they don’t but they should
You’re still assuming that Bumgarner is an “absolute stud” when we haven’t seen those stud results in 2 seasons. Yes the injuries were fluke things, but just because his medicals may check out doesn’t mean a return in velocity or results. Plus add in that he’d be moving to the hitter friendly parks of the NL Central and pitching his home games in Miller instead of AT&T, and the Brewers need to show at least some restraint. I still think they should make the move if they can for a fair price, but they cant over-pay just for the sake of making a move either.
@Mikey Bumgarner managed around a 3.15 ERA in 2 seasons which he was rushed back to the big leagues from injury and really should have taken extra rehab stints. That is still very dominant.
I think the return on trading him before the season starts would be beneficial to all as the team getting Madison would get the chance to extend a qualifying offer and get a draft pick recovery if rejected. If they acquire him during the season that opportunity is lost
There’s only one year left on MadBum’s contract. The Giants should just wait until the Trade Deadline to deal because teams looking to get over the top will be a little more desperate. Bumgarner probably likes playing for SF anyways so they could try and sign him after the season.
I pray to god we don’t trade Freddy he’s a goonie
Woodruff or Burnes, that’s a close one…
If it were my decision, I’d offer Burnes, Ray, and Lutz.
no
Do these teams…and a bunch of commenters…realize that Doug Melvin is no longer the GM in Milwaukee?
And what would your offer be?
I’d take that! Add in Houser and we will add in Watson
What would it take for the Pirates to acquire Bumgarner and Crawford in a package? Don’t imagine either of them would take a top 100 prospect. I’d say anyone not named Hayes or Keller is fair game
Crawford has a full no trade and I can’t see him at all waving it, not with a few more years on his contract
Brewer fans acting like they are getting him cheap because he’s got one year left are crazy.
Any team that knows if they trade for him and he leaves at least recoups a comp pick, which teams value.
Or gives them better chance at signing him longterm.
And there will be no shortage of teams looking to get him.
The Astros need another starter.
Can never rule out boston.
Phillies, Braves or Washington all want to win now and have the pieces to get it done.
Then once the Yankees get involved, the price is going way up.
They have always wanted him desperately and could care less that hes got a year left.
What would the Brewers do if the Yankees offered Andujar and a couple pitching prospects?
The Brewers should stop haggling and give up the extra player now before the big boys get involved.
This could be there best chance to win.
Or try and low ball and lose, again
If the Yankees made that offer, the Brewers would immediately call Cashman and try to rob him too, knowing full well that he must be losing his marbles.
And the Brewers have a pitcher like bumgarner to give the yankees?
If they do im sure hed listen.
Why would bidding go way up if the Yankees get involved—they aren’t bidding on a free agent. Bidding for a trade goes up by having more bidders (especially ones with trade chips). Milwaukee can’t afford big contract pitchers, that makes the controllable ones we have that much more important. As a brewer fan, I’ll pass on this rediculous ask. We can upgrade at 2nd and maybe sneak in on a catcher later in the offseason on top of bringing Miley back. Not saying I don’t like Madbum, just saying that’s too much of an ask for the way the Brewers operate and I’m good with that.
96 wins and one game short of the WS with a genius GM who was #2 in designing the Astros and just engineered one of the quickest rebuild turn-arounds in mlb history. Think, milwaukee will be fine if they choose to walk away.
Bum on the other hand has 2+ years of decreasing velocity. Good chance that continues and he nets far-less at the deadline.
And Giants fans are acting like Giants are going to get every good prospect.because Bumgarner won a World Series 5 years ago.
One good prospect, one okay prospect, one lottery ticket (maybe). That’s it.
Oh, and low ball or high ball, trade for Bumgarner or not, it still means the Giants finish in last while the Brewers are contending.
Yankees do not need another Lefty starter and already passed on the Giants ridiculous price tag last season.
Bumgarner is coming off 2 seasons under 130 IP, career worst BB/9 and worst K/9 since his rookie year.
Giants fans need to wake up and realize he isnt the same ace
Take peralta. He’s destined for a bullpen role with that fastball and nothing else
i would rather keep those young pitchers.
I”m sure the Astros fans are screaming “I wish we had our prospects back instead of trading for Verlander!”
Not the same as JV had regained his form and it was not just one season. Houston’s decision wasn’t the prospects they gave up as much as it was a huge financial commitment they took on.
Pretty interesting quandary, no? SF doesn’t HAVE to trade Bum….they obviously have the money to keep him. OTOH, they’re not going to win anything BECAUSE they have Bum. OTOH, trading him could produce some pieces toward the next Giants’ competitive team.
Other factors: he’ll be pitching his butt off in a contract year…..Brewers are more committed to multi-inning interchangeable pitchers than “starters”, per se….the contract, which barely touches SF’s revenues, dents the Brewers’……
Probably the most interesting thing to follow this month……My guess? They keep him till the deadline…..
Bumgarner’s done, I wouldn’t do this if I were Milwaukee.
Hahahahahahahahaa!! Coming from a Sox fan!? Bumgarner is better then any pitcher in your rotation and 80% of the league! Stupid comment
Yeah? Then Keep him.
Michael Kopech is the future of our rotation, and is better than Madbum right NOW.
He had a 3.26 ERA in 2018. I don’t know what give you the indication that he is “done”.
I’d rather see them go after Kluber than Madbaum. Especially if they would have to give up top talent. Heck the Indians want to get out of Kipnis’ contract, throw him in too. Kill two birds with one stone. Ace and a one year second baseman stopgap for Hiura.
With Kluber you’re talking 17 mil next year, 17.5 in 2020 and 18 in 2021, plus then adding Kipnis in this situation. Not sure Milwaukee is willing to take on that kind of payroll at this point.
The other problem with that scenario Kluber is going to cost a lot more then just Hiura.
Bumgarner is still a really good pitcher, so I don’t get why some think Farhan is just gonna give him away for free. The 1/2 a season argument makes sense, but one full year of MadBum is very valuable and should be treated as such. At the same time, Farhan shouldn’t overvalue him to the extend that Miami values Realmuto because there’s always that chance of (even more) regression. Simply put, if Burnes and Ray are on the table, pull the trigger (anything more is a bonus).
Then keep him.
FOR THE LAST TIME !!,
Crawford and Posey have
NO TRADE clauses in there contracts. Quit trying to trade them.
Lol! True that! They are lifers!
So did Cano and Segura, and the Mariners were in a better place than the Giants are.
Bottom line is this article is a bunch of NOTHING! The Brewers aren’t going to get Bumgarner!
Alright let’s up the ante then, Burnes, Ray, Lutz, Houser and Brown for MadBum, Watson and Smith…
PUHLEEEZE stop with the reactions to Morosi’s story!
Listen, take his original story and every time the brewers team is referenced replace the team with another team. Then take that other teams top prospects and sub those names in for the brewers’ prospects names and the story will be true.
Several teams have had trade talks regarding Bum and the Giants r overasking for that teams prospects. You all think this only pertains to the brewers??
Here, do this:
The (name a team) are having discussions with the Giants about trading for Madison Bumgarner. The Giants are asking for (name a prospect of said team) or for ( name another prospect) and the asking price may be too high for the (named team).
Everything else morosi wrote every one of us on these posts could have written a story.
He’s done this before. Google “morosi article false alarm”.
Trust Henry Schulman of the sf chronicle for giants stories. Morosi got what he wanted. ATTENTION. The dud is a hack
As a Dodgers fan, I’m actually hoping Farhan keeps MadBum around. Kershaw vs. Bumgarner is about as good as it gets for me, as a fan. I’d be kind of sad to see him go.
Wouldn’t you rather see that matchup in the NLCS?
Based on MiLB Pipeline Scouting assessments, and players productions, MadBum will not end up in Milwaukee. The Giants DFAd a player similar to Brewers second best minor leaguer. I don’t think the Giants are looking minor leaguer.
There’s a bit of a difference between a 30 year-old nine years removed from being drafted and a 24 year-old 3 years from his draft.
Between 2013-2015 everyone said justin verlander was done. Would u like him on your team today? I look at bumgarner in the same light that I look at V. Two guys that are tallying HOF arguments (2014 Ws). Do not take folks lightly.
Yes, most every team would want Bumgarner for the coming season. But few, if any, will give multiple top prospects for a one-year rental. And that’s something Giants fans commenting here don’t seem to get.
The Giants simply want to dump Madbum’s salary and get some prospects in return. Then they can try to sign a big free agent. Nothing wrong with that, except Madbum isn’t the same Madbum he was five years ago. If he were, the Giants would be trying to extend him. Additionally, the Giants want top prospects for him—ain’t happening, it just doesn’t make sense from a financial prospective for any team who might want him.
Dump what salary? He’s making $12mil this season, trading him isn’t a salary dump. As you said, trading him is to get prospects, but it is in no way to dump his salary. There’s probably at LEAST 30 other pitchers out there that are worse than him and make more than him. Any team would muster up 12 mil for a pitcher like him. Here’s the problem the giants have, the farm system is weak, they need to improve it, Bum’s stock is a little low right now but most people that comment here don’t watch all of his starts or follow the Giants that closely and get to see he still has the stuff to be elite. His issue last season was he wasn’t locating well. Velocity drop doesn’t help obviously, but he was leaving too many pitches over the middle of the plate, which is something he can work on. Additionally everyone throws out “injury prone”, give me a break, two freak accident injuries, not like he needs TJ surgery or pulls a hammy every couple months. GM’s will use the “injury and loss of velocity” leverage, as they should, but there’s a reason every single team in baseball would want him. They know what he can do and know the animal that comes out in the playoffs. Give him a season where he doesn’t have to start the season off with physical therapy and a rehab assignment and see if he still has it, which I guarantee he does. The giants aren’t in a spot to contend, so why would you resign/extend someone to, for example, a 7-8 year deal so that when you are ready to contend in 3-5 years, that ace you extended is in the latter half of his career? That makes no sense for the giants. I would love for the giants to keep him and extend him, he is an SF Giants legend, but in reality it makes very little sense. So, instead of losing him to free agency, the giants are looking to get SOMETHING for losing him rather than nothing. The problem is nowadays teams covet prospects so highly, and for good reason, but it’s a lot harder for teams to trade for a rental than it used to be. But, to say it doesn’t make sense financially is not true, it’s whether a team trading for him is looking to win in the short term or long term because there is no guarantee in resigning someone. It has nothing to do with financial’s and has everything to do with short term or long term success. It’s also up to the GM on how to write up the proposed extension, whether to tack on the mass of the salary early and have it taper off in later years or the other way around, which a lot of the contracts that get more expensive later on are the ones that are hurting teams nowadays. The Giants know what they want/need, unfortunately all the other teams have the leverage at the moment, I just hope MadBum shows them he’s still an elite pitcher when the season starts. It’s gonna be a painful rebuild, but it worked out very well last time the team went through it. All I can say to finish this off is… Go Giants!
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