In the wake of the Yankees’ agreement with infielder DJ LeMahieu, their talks with free agent Manny Machado “are either dormant or completely dead,” ESPN’s Buster Olney writes (subscription required). Although Machado would greatly improve the Yankees’ infield, they haven’t been willing to approach his exorbitant asking price, and there’s no obvious free spot in their infield with LeMahieu and Troy Tulowitzki having come aboard this offseason. While the Yankees could trade third baseman Miguel Andujar to open up room for Machado, it seems they’re more inclined to bet on the former, as Olney details. Andujar excelled at the plate in 2018, his rookie year, but had a horrific time in the field. However, Andujar has consistently demonstrated a willingness to better his defense – including this winter – and the Yankees are confident his work will yield positive results in 2019. If not, Olney posits the Yankees could make a run at Rockies third baseman Nolan Arenado should he reach free agency a year from now.
Here’s more from the American League:
- The Rangers have continued to discuss a couple of free-agent infielders – Josh Harrison and Yangervis Solarte – and stayed in contact with free-agent right-hander Adam Ottavino, Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News reports. Either Harrison or Solarte, the latter of whom has already been in the Texas organization, could help fill the void for the departed Adrian Beltre and Jurickson Profar at third base. Ottavino, meanwhile, would be the priciest of the three to reel in, as he lags behind only Craig Kimbrel when it comes to current free-agent relievers. Contending clubs may be more realistic fits for the 33-year-old Ottavino than the Rangers, who don’t figure to push for a playoff spot in 2019.
- Free-agent reliever John Axford said Saturday that he hopes to rejoin the Blue Jays, Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet tweets. A native of Canada, Axford signed a minor league deal with the Blue Jays last February and stuck in Toronto up until the club traded him to the Dodgers at the July 31 non-waiver deadline. All told, the 35-year-old right-hander pitched to an ugly 5.27 ERA in 54 2/3 innings. Much of the damage came in Axford’s 3 2/3 frames as a Dodger, though, and he did pair playable strikeout and walk numbers (8.89 K/9, 3.62 BB/9) with an appealing groundball rate (54.6 percent).
- The Angels opted out of their ballpark lease in October, which could make the upcoming season the team’s last at Angel Stadium. But the Angels are “expected” to sign a one-year lease with the city of Anaheim to remain at the facility through at least the 2020 campaign, per Bill Shaikin of the Los Angeles Times. Should that come to fruition, the two sides would then work toward a long-term solution to keep the Angels in Anaheim, Shaikin notes. The franchise has called Angel Stadium home since 1966.
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Trade is coming with Andujar or Torres
I don’t think so… They are very young and are very talented and very inexpensive. Lemaheiu at second, Torres at short and Andujar at third. Tulo as backup shortstop and it frees up Torres to give DJ a day off here and there. Andujar will improve defensively. He will become a great 3B. Tulo is fresh off a bunch of injuries. He can’t be expected to play regularly.
“Great” 3B is a bit of a stretch with little-to-no basis in reality. Just because the guy is willing to work on his defense doesn’t mean he’ll be “great”. Heck I’m willing to work on my defense too, does that mean I’ll be a great defender too?
With his (Andujar’s) offense, he doesn’t need to be great defensively. He just needs to improve. They won a lot of games with his terrible defense…. If it improves, they can’t complain. And look at the money they save…. that’s hundreds of millions of dollars. Andujar isn’t as good as Machado right now… but in 3 years, he might be. And at a fraction of the cost.
But do you play MLB?? Yeah, didn’t think so
“Might”
Melchez,
Within 3 years Andujar will be recognized as a far better all-around player then Machado. Yankee fans will be wondering what they were thinking during the ’18-’19 offseason.
The hype over Machado and Harper is one of the most bizarre things I’ve seen in MLB since………probably watching the praise heaped upon guys like Brady Anderson and Gabe Kapler during the steroid era.
He only made 15 errors in 2018, not that bad!
Agreed! Really glad Yankees seem to be sticking with Andujar. If his defense becomes just average, which I think it will, he will be an all star. His bat is already all star level.
You’d be surprised how many current and former players are on here.
Errors aren’t the only part of defense. Having no range also goes towards him being a bad defender.
Andujar is very underrated
If Yankees fans are happy with a 2.2 win player over the 5.7 win player, that is fine with the rest of us.
The Yankees continue to acquire/retain “pretty good” players instead of going for the jugular.
Yeah, but he’s working hard. Surely you know that everyone who “works hard” becomes awesome.
I think the argument is more about his lack of range and booting of very routine plays
Machado is not a 5.7 win player outside of Camden.
You’re missing the bigger picture.
That’s what, over 5 million per win, that he wants.
2.2 at one spot for chump change and the rest can be used at other spots, not tied up for 10 yeard
Nope, but they usually improve.
Unless you have a crystal ball you can’t be sure that he won’t. Time will tell, not any of the “experts” on here
The batting average on balls hit in the third baseman’s “zone,” according to statcast, in 2018 was 247. Against the Yankees it was 338. There’s more to defense than just errors. The Yankees won with his very bad defense, yes, but they also had an elite defensive shortstop to cover some of his ground; I don’t believe Tulowitzki, whom the Yanks have given the starting shortstop job to open the season, is even an average defensive shortstop anymore, which makes the left side of the infield even worse.
Manny is projected to be a 2.5WAR player in 5 years. Yanks would be buying into his decline while it could be argued that at 23years old Andujar’s WAR should progress positively into his prime. The difference in WAR is almost a wash. Next 5 years of Manny cost around $150 million vs Andujar over the next 5 years through Arbitration should cost the Yanks around $30 Million. That’s a difference of $120 million over the next 5 years for arguably the same production over that span
I could argue that he’s actually worth MORE than 5.7 in Yankee Stadium vs. Camden, right? Yankee Stadium is every bit the hitter’s park that Camden is.
It’s just hilarious after listening to every Yankee fan going crazy about getting Machado for 2+ years. All of a sudden he’s “not worth it”, as if you are paying the bills. But, hey, more money for the Steinbrenners, I guess.
Except it’s not “arguably the same production” over the next 5 years. Not even close. And let’s not forget that Machado is one of the 3 best in MLB at 3B while Andujar is the worst.
You are right about Manny’s decline after 6-7 years. But who knows if Andujar ever reaches Manny level at all? I’m guessing he doesn’t.
I can’t even fathom why you would compare Harper or Manny to those two guys you mentioned.
News flash, the lack of offers has more to do with the length of the contract vs the aav. They are each worthy of $25-$35 mil per year.
To take it a step fwd. I wouldn’t even be interested in Trout for a 10/$300 deal. It has nothing to do with ability and everything to do with the risk of a 10 year deal that, in his instance, would take him to his age 40 season.
A 10 WAR player is amazing. But without the other pieces it won’t turn a team into a 100 game winner thus really, really narrowing his market.
Boston must be laughing at these yankees moves
The kid is still young……
We shall see who gets the last laugh at the end of the season. Remember those who stand highest on the peak spending their time gloating and laughing at those inspiring hard to climb to top often have the greatest of all falls.
Hey, the Yankees haven’t won a World Series in 10 years. The Red Sox have won 2 over the same time period. If you are cool with them playing it safe and not signing the top players available, I’m good with it, too.
i dont think youre very knowledgible, Adrian Beltre was a very poor 3b as a rookie and through hard work he became a multi gold glove winner
+davidcone
We shouldnt really have to worry about Tulos defense as DJ should be playing second, and Gleyber SS until Didi gets back. Thats pretty good middle IF defense if you ask me
Manny Machado had 2.4 fWAR in 66 games for the Dodgers.
Over 162, that’s a 5.9 fWAR season.
Saying he’s not a 5.7 win player outside Camden is flat out wrong.
Saying you wouldn’t take Trout at 10/300 is absolutely nuts. Ridiculous. He will have produced $300mil in value by the halfway point.
Long term contracts are not designed to be providing much surplus value in the final year – that’s just business. You have to pay the back end, to balance out the surplus you get up front. And Trout provides HUGE surplus up front on a 10/300 contract.
This is why armchair schlubs aren’t GM’s – thankfully.
The fact that he managed to make 15 errors despite having no range is astoundingly bad.
Andujar is a DH. Sorry you’re biased and can’t see that.
He’s an outlier, though. Most bad defenders only improve marginally, and most players, even really good rookies, don’t turn into hall-of-famers. Most players who come up as bad third basemen move to first or left eventually. I’m sure Andujar will improve (he couldn’t possibly get worse) but to think he might become a perennial gold-glove candidate because somebody did it once 20 years ago is a bit of a stretch.
Lets talk facts
Machado rookiie year 156 games 14 hrs 71 rbis 283 ba 314 obp
Harper 139 games 22 hrs.59 rbis 270 ba 340 0bp
Andujar 149 games 27 hrs 92 rbis 297 ba 328 obp. Now everyone can yell about how bad a fielder Andujar was as a rookie there’s not a team in the league that wouldn’t want him Right now Harpers looking for about a 350 million dollar contract. In 7 years hes out homered Andujars rookie year 3 times and hes out hit him once and Harper is a poor defensive player. So all you haters out there quiet down
Machado and Harper were 19 years old… Miggy was a 22 year old rookie. 3 extra years. I still say stick with him. He will improve. But comparing 19 year olds to a 22 year old isn’t a good comparison.
LOL I knew you would throw up that excuse. I am sorry but there is no asterisk for ROY MVP or HOF it is what it is. Instead of offering excuses why not just admit they all are exciting young stars but you can’t debate the results Andujar first year stats blew theirs out of the water.
Why not give Andujar 3 or 4 years or so before you see his prime for his first year pushed into service he did pretty amazing
“but you can’t debate the results Andujar first year stats blew theirs out of the water. ”
Just because you say we can’t debate it doesn’t mean we can’t debate it.
How does MLBTR describe Miguel Andujar????…. “2018 Rookie of the Year runner up.”
Well who knows better first hand sports writers who never picked a ball or bat up in their life, heaviest thing they picked up was a pencil
or the actual MLB players themselves who play the game and know the player…most of the sports writers who vote never even met the man it’s a popularity contest …
I go with the players you can go with the writers who never played the game
Funny thing as Cashman was quoted every phone call from pretty much every team talking trade ask for Andujar first then Sanchez
There isn’t a MLB team who does not want Andujar it’s not Cashman calling them shopping Andjar it’s them calling about getting Andujar
I wonder why?
Melchez that maybe true but how about the fact as I said that in 7 years Harpersonlyout hit Andujarsrookie year once and only out homeredhim 3 times and only one of those years when he hit over 40 was much better.The other 2 years were 29 and 34..If you really want to give Harpe ran advantage last year Harper was 25 and he hit 249 with 29 hrs and 100 rbis Andujars numbers pretty comparable at 22 with 297 ba 92 rbis 27 hrs Harper had a -3.2 dWar last year and now they say he’s worth 350 mill for 10 years. Now talk to me about fair comparisons
Enough with the Analytics
You don’t have the first clue what people are calling Brian Cashman about. Give me a break.
“Range” at 3B is overrated, especially with a SS like Didi playing next to him by late this coming season. The Yankees were able to cover for Jeter’s declining “range” as he aged due to Rodriguez and Cano on either side of him—along with Jeter’s off the charts baseball smarts/uncanny ability to know right where opposing players would hit the ball.
The majority of Andujar’s errors last year came from getting the ball over to first base. That can be bettered through more mechanically sound footwork which will have him in a better body position to throw the ball so as to not feel he has to rush those throws.
Machado’s first two seasons in MLB—207 games, nearly 900 PAs—saw him hit 21 HRs (compared to 27 for Andujar) and deliver 97 RBI, just five more than did the Yanks rookie. Now consider the MLBPA ROY appeared in one game shy of 150 last year, with a couple less than 600 PAs, nearly THREE HUNDRED fewer than Machado’s career start.
Yes, Andujar is a few years older than was Manny, but at comparable stages of their careers, Miggy is far more advanced offensively. And let’s face it, his defense has nowhere to go but up.
Its nice to witness the yankees not buying another world series … 🙂
This information was published in the New York Post at the early part of winning trade meetings regarding Andujar and Sanchez. This isn’t my statement but that of Mr. Cashman
I suggest you research it was there as clear as day what he said.
Don’t let context get in the way of your interesting argument here. When Machado came up, he was 19-20 and in the MLB putting up those numbers.
Machado age 19-20, 912 PA, .279/.309/.435/.744, 21 HR, MLB level
Andujar age 19-20, 1047 PA, .255/.303/.380/.683, 18 HR, A/A+ level
Machado was also the best defensive 3B in MLB at that time, while Andujar was the worst defensive 3B in MLB last season.
I get that you’re wearing Yankee rose colored glasses, but you really can’t think this is comparable right? I mean, c’mon, even you can’t think that A ball and MLB are the same level of competition, right?
@JG, This is a ridiculous comparison. Andujar just completed his age-23 season. In Machado’s age-23 season he hit 37HR’s, and finished 5th for MVP! Comparing a 19yo to a 23yo is absurd. Why not compare them at the same age when you have that data available?
Meanwhile, I would expect Andujar’s defense to improve. But the Adrian Beltre comp is similarly ridiculous. Beltre is another guy who came up as a teenager and was never the worst 3B in MLB. In fact, Beltre was already one of the best by the time he was 23. Age matters. Andujar looks like he can be a nice player, but he’ll never be a Beltre on defense or a Machado with the bat.
Cashman can tell the media whatever he wants…and they will print it without any reservation. See how that works?
He also said there were like 10 teams interested in Sonny Gray…. Cashman has an agenda, too.
Yeah Bernie it just happened to be convenient for you that Manny had a great year at age 23 What about the next year when he hit 33 hrs to Andujars 27 but hit 14 fewer doubles then Andujars rookie year had a batting average 38 points lower than Andujar and had an obp 18 points lower than Andujar .All of a sudden Manny doesn’t blow away Andujar does he?I don’tthink he got much MVP love that year did he
It’s not convenient at all. What IS convenient is you comparing a 23yo with a 19yo to help your cause. Machado was leaps and bounds better at the same age. That was my point.
Hahaha not convenient at all. The year after his “big” year he hit 259 with a 310 obp Does that mean next year if Andujar has a similar year then he’s a better hitter than Machado. Players go up and down from year to year. Machados age 23 year was a big year for him his age 24 was not. You can’t just say that him and Andujar aren’t comparable when Andujar only has 1 year of MLB experience while Manny has many and say Andular isn’t close to as good a hitter as Manny. The truth is while Manny had a great age 23 year he had a poor age 24 year and thats why I said it was convenient that he had that big year at age 23.If his age 24 year had been his age 23 year would you then say Andujars the better hitter.I think not
Manny DID have a sub-par(for him) during his age-24 season. But he was a monster for his age-22 and 23 seasons(he was 4th in MVP voting when he was 22). In fact, by the time Machado was Andujar’s age, he already had 3 top-10 MVP finishes, 3 all star appearances and 2 gold gloves. There is just no comparison here. Machado is the much better player. I just wanted to point out the fallacy of comparing a 19yo to a 23yo.
So I guess by rhat reasoning Machado was also a much better hitter than Mays Aaron Mantle Clemente Cabrera and Pujols since none of them were playing when they were 19. The fact that Machado was a good hitter at 19 is great That does not take away from the fact the Andujar had a big offensive year his rookie year. By your argument none of the names mentioned above could compare to Machado because he was a major leaguer at 19 By your reasoning Joe Nuxhall was the best pitcher who ever lived. A major league pitcher at 15. Then theres Mike Morgan and David Clyde major league pitchers at 18. I guess Seaver and Koufax weren’t as good as them by your logic The fact Machado started at 19 implies nothing about whether or not Andujar will be as good as Machado.However your dismissing the possibility after Andujars first year of a 297 ba and 27 hrs is inexplainable
I am happy with a 23 year old 2.2 WAR (and whatever stock you put in that on that stat alone) given that he is costing about 1/100 of what that 5.7 costs. Gives the club a lot of flexibility.
Willy, Andujar has only played one season. Don’t put hum in the Hall of Fame yet.
I like to compare players’ performance at the same age in order to compare them. You like to compare a 23yo to a 19yo simply because it helps your argument. We have data for both of them as 23 year old players. Let’s use it.
Manny is better defensive at the time but when both were 23 Andujar rookie year out hit Manny at 23 years of age except 8 home runs more from Manny so that is comparing apples and oranges
Melchez I totally agree with you but I’m just fighting back against all the people who seem to be saying Andujar didn’t have a pretty special first year.Look he could end up no big deal but then again he could be as good as any of the hitters I.ve mentioned btw as an aside Harpers stats so far in his career don’t get him near the hof He’s hit more than 34 hrs once in his career and has a 279 career ba
Andujar will improve defensively, he can’t get any worse. Even if he improves he will still be below average, though…
Some in the Boston Red Sox organization thought that Boggs would never be adequate enough at third base to hold down the position. But one of Boggs’ best tools, as it turned out, was an outstanding work ethic, and he improved beyond mediocrity, winning a couple of Gold Gloves in a career in which he won five batting titles and racked up 3,010 hits.
Andujar can do the same
Beltre did it too
I think Andujar could/should get better. Nowhere to go but up after being the worst in the league last year.
” Nowhere to go but up after being the worst in the league last year.”
He could pull a Jim Thome and move to first.
I’m not worried at all about Andujar. That is the media doing what they do best, make noise. It looks to me Torres is the chip to bring in Kluber
ullnvrknw,
Indians would take Andujar in an instant. Then they’d ask for 2 top prospects as well. Kluber is a Cy Young guy still throwing 200 innings a year. Not a lot of those around.
No doubt the Yankees know what they have in Andujar. He carried that team at times in 2018 when others were slumping or injured. No matter what sports media people that never had to make a payroll write/say, Yankees cannot give out $15-35m a year contracts to every player on the roster. They need some young cheap guys that can produce. Like Andujar.
I saw a lot of Yankee games in 2018. Andujar’s defense was in no way a major issue. If a 3B gets 7 playable balls hit to him in a 9 inning game, that’s a lot. Sanchez booted 10 times more balls behind home plate yet there is no national sports media outcry quoting statistics and ragging on the guy 3-4 times a week this offseason.
At least 25 ML teams would be ecstatic if they had a rookie come up and play as Andujar did. For example, AJ Preller is a FO hero to those raised on fantasy league and computerized baseball. His can’t miss superstar gem is Fernando Tatis Jr. Let’s see how Mr. Tatis Jr. plays his first year. IF he does as well as Mr. Andujar did, fans will be falling all over one another saying, “see I told you so” and saying he has to clean-up his defense some, but so what.
Why would the Yankees pay $300MM for a marginal upgrade at any position. Makes no sense to anyone but a Yankees fan.
I agree with this. They are at 200 million now with some of their stars under 1 million per year. You don’t need an all star at every position. I like what they have now.
Good God, reading your constant whining about all things Yankees is exhausting.
Then don’t read it?
Sounds like you are the one that is “whining” anyway?
That reply was to ChiSoxCity Though you’ve certainly contributed the last 2-3 days, typical Mets fan.
I’m just having fun with it. Just a few weeks ago the Yankees were going to get Kluber or Syndergaard + Machado. Instead they got Happ and LeMahieu. They are definitely making nice “safe” moves, but I am surprised to see them not going for it a little more.
Is it really “the media making noise”, when Andujar was quite clearly a butcher?
Prsr Tatis can beat 2.2 WAR considering he actually plays a position
So suppose Yankees could pry lefty Scooter Gennett from Reds for a package starting with Sonny Gray? Gennett plays 1b 2B 3B Outfield hits left handed.
Would a combination of LeMahieu and Gennett help take the sting away from not signing Manny or Harper this winter?
Idk about a great 3B. But he will improve definitely. I’m a huge Yankees fan. And I never think he’s going to b a great fielder. I think he will become a league average fielder. Or they move him to 1B. And get a guy next offseason.
I would consider him a great 3B if he provides ++ offense and a little below defense. Look at the average 3B. They might hit .270 with 15 to 20 home runs. Andujar is much better than that.
Yankees fans were sold on getting Machado YEARS ago. Amazing how quickly they moved on to Arenado.
I agree with you but take it another step.When Gleyber slides to 2b DJ can go to 3b to give Andujar a rest or a dh game
Trading Miggy would be so stupid. His offensive skill set not only is fantastic, it also meshes well with what the yanks have in many others on the team. His ability to hit for a high avg and make contact . Yanks have there fair share of high K power hitters. Guys like Miggy, Lemahieu and Torres help level that off. Awesome off-season for yanks.
Torres isn’t going to sit behind DJ.
No the implication was when Torres isn’t playing ss because Tulo is he could play 2b and DJ could play 3b. giving Andujar a rest No one would suggest Torres wouldn’t start
Name one player who had a full season at 3rd base where he was as bad defensively as Andujar and then went on to became a “great 3B.” Go on, I’ll wait.
We take it you are upset Yankees are not signing Machado so cutting down current Yankee stars makes you emboldened…so sorry however White Sox will be in need of fans for Manny…Cheers!
They have two both Hof quality boggs and beltre
Neither Boggs nor Beltre was ever as bad defensively as Andujar so try again
Doug Rader.
Boggs and Beltre were never anywhere near as poor on defense as Andujar give me a break. There has only been very few players as poor defensively one was Braun and he never sniffed third again. Beltre has a lot of errors his first year but he was a much better defender even that first year. There is no one who has started as poorly defensively as Andujar was last year that even stays at third.
Correct. Boggs and Beltre were never the worst 3B in the league. Andujar is a lot like Devers. I think Devers can improve, too. But I’m not trying to say Devers can become Beltre defensively with a straight face.
Devers body is going to work against him in that regard. He’ll have to move off 3rd eventually.
Probably so. Meanwhile Andujar is a hybrid of Beltre and Machado. Do you see how this works?
It’s fairly obvious that with the LeMahieu signing the Yankees aren’t trading either Torres or Andujar or signing Machado. After losing Alberto on waivers to the Orioles they’ll probably find another minor league depth infielder before spring training and be done with the infield acquisitions. .
Andujar and Torres are the kind of players you want to acquire, not trade away for declining veterans like Kluber (who I think is great and would love in the rotation but I wouldn’t trade either one of these players for him).
Cashman wanted Torres for years before he snagged him in the Chapman trade and he is essentially untouchable, as he should be. Andujar wasn’t even supposed to be starting with the Yankees in 2018 (the plan was for Drury to be the 3B with Andujar in AAA working on his defense) so he had do his best on the fly last year and obviously the results weren’t great. With his bat and willingness to improve, it makes sense to give Andujar 2019 to see if he can improve his defense to an acceptable level. If it doesn’t work out they’ll have to re-evaluate after the season, and if they want they can make a run for Arenado if he’s a free agent.
LOL you surely have a right to your opinion but I think you are in the very far few camp of Yankee fans believing Torres or Andujar will be traded. Neither one is going to be traded Torres will be 2nd base and Andujar will be cemented at 3rd base.
Read the tea leaves beyond the media click for shock headlines. That’s why see ESPN article Yankees sent Boone to Dominican Republic at the present to spend time with Andujar and check on his defense progress. They didn’t send Boone t to tell Andujar he is a goner. The Yankee love the low cost for years potential high rewards. Nothing is going to deter that mode of thinking.
Read he tea leaves? Yankees just picked up a gold glove second baseman for 12 million per year. Pretty sure they will be starting him there.
Maybe not luc. Teams have super subs to provide maximum flexibility. It’s the same as the Yankees’ ultra deep bullpen. You need to watch the game, not the scorecard.
Agreed, but he is not a super sub, he is a second baseman. 95%+ of his career, and two gold gloves, are at second, and he hasn’t played other positions since 2014. It is like buying a Picasso and using it as a door stop. Why do that?
They signed Tulo to be the starting SS. So where do they play LeMahieu since Torres plays 2B?
Funny…,The Blue Jays ALSO acquired Tulo to play SS. He never did that for them, either. 66 games played over the last 2 seasons and he’s suddenly an everyday SS now? I wouldn’t count on that.
Torres still will play pretty much everyday somewhere. Too much upside to just sit on the bench.
+Bocephus
Torres’ natural position is SS. He is a very slick defender at SS too. Until Didi gets back they should play Torres at SS and DJ at 2B.
Go To Yankees site and argue with them that is their official announcement
Yawn. Wake me when the yanks sign machado and/or Harper. *leaves long fart* Back to bed.
If that’s the case, then you will be known as Sleeping Beauty minus the beauty part, lol.
I’d be very nervous about Arenado given his home/road splits and the Coors effect. That said, I still don’t get the signing of DJ, as his greatest value comes from his elite defense at 2B, where Torres is entrenched. I suppose Gleyber could return to SS until DD returns, but would that mean letting Didi go at the end of the year?
Or are they considering trading him, or moving him to third? I don’t like the idea of moving people around the diamond so much, particularly if it’s a “back and forth” situation, as DJ is only a 2yr deal.
Torres for Kluber trade coming…..
I think the Indians are keeping Kluber. Earlier, before they trimmed payroll, they might have considered a Torres and a couple prospect package. But now, I think they cleared enough payroll and still win the division.
Except the Indians still don’t have an outfield or a bullpen, outside of Brad Hand. If they are going to seriously compete, they need to address that, otherwise hanging on to their elite rotation is a waste.
Torres, Frazier and Gray for Klaver? Or is that too much?
In a Kluber trade, Cleveland is not looking for one year players so get rid of Gray, besides Gray is not worth much. Frazier is a concussion problem and has less value than you think, Start with Torres and add pieces of value and we can talk.
Go back to hockey. Your ideas would be ruled offsides.
MikeYank – Gray has minimal value at best and only one year of control. Frazier has missed a great deal of time with concussion problems and is a very risky player to acquire. You don’t trade Kluber for one year of a minimal player and another with major concussion risks. Sorry, Mike Yank. One can be a fan and have knowledge of more than one sport. Convince me that I am wrong on Frazier and Gray. I know that you can not.
Wow. Such an expert of your own opinions. Everything comes out in the wash. However the Yankees are not trading a marquee player like Torres for one year of Kluber. You’ve got to study baseball on the field and start with watching how important this controllable under 25 player is to see that your premise is absolutely absurd.
If they don’t want to make the trade they can go to another team. However there is always a risk in these situations that a guy like Kluber has a bad first half. If that’s the case then the Indians are screwed at the deadline.
Slap shot. Score between the legs. Light goes off. Embarrassment follows.
I don’t blame Cleveland not to take Gray and Frazier for Kluber but you understand Yankees in no possible way are not going to trade Torres or Andujar for Kluber. Some times teams do not match up as is this is the case.
Cleveland may be better off with LA it’s not a problem some trades you just can not make.
people act like Kluber is the second coming. He shot his load his value is not what you think.
Torres will not be traded. He is on the untouchable list. They did not go out and get a top flight 2B only to have him as a utility player or change position. Gleyber plays SS, DJ at 2nd and Andujar at 3rd. They save a monster contract on Machado and get Arenado next season if Andujar if he does not improve defensively. There is not a pitcher they would trade Torres for, not even straight up for Kluber.
You cant hope that Arenado will be there.. He could easily sign long term with the Rockies.
Hey Duke, you forgot about Didi?
DJ moves around the infield. If Andujar’s defense is still an issue going forward he will become a first baseman or corner outfielder in the future.
LOL and laughing harder out loud
@ullnvrknow. Indians want an OF not a 2b/SS Dummy…. maybe you forgot they have the best young SS in the game LINDOR
I would not trade for Kluber. Guy is well over 30 yrs old and has A LOT of pitches on that arm. Factor in his past 2 TERRIBLE postseasons and you have a guy that has more value to his current club than he does to others, unless you are a team like the Dodgers who are desperate.
The ONLY way you would see Torres and/or Andujar traded is to trade with another team to swap strengths of equal value i.e Yankees trading young stars like Torres or Andujar, for another teams young starting pitching.
You won’t see Cashman, who looks forward as well as present, trade young controllable assets for old pitchers who MAYBE have 2 elite years left and haven’t done anything in the playoffs.
Indians fans acting like Andujar is below Kluber need to have their heads checked, because it’s even at this point, or Cleveland would need to give me more than Kluber for Andujar….and I hope Cashman sees it that way as well.
If Andular can’t stay at 3B and has to be moved to DH, his value will plummet. As for Kluber in the playoffs, look back at 2016. 3/5 of the Indians rotation was injured and the Indians got to game 7 of the World Series with Kluber and the bullpen.
As for Andujar, I hope that the Indians front office does not trade for him as you don’t trade Kluber for a DH.
I agree and further I wouldn’t trade Andujar for any starting pitcher period including DeGrom. It is not that I don’t value these pitching aces I do but any pitchers arm can go on any pitch. You are left with nothing but a contract to pay while your former young star beats up on you and everyone else in the league. If any of you disagree that’s fine but a position players risk is far less then a pitcher.
IF he can’t play 3B, but we are going 3 years back to Kluber’s prime to give me the last time he pitched well when it mattered?
You don’t trade Andujar for a guy who is looking at the end of his elite status within 2 years, and very well may never pitch ACE type innings again in the playoffs.
If you are Cleveland though, looking to sustain mediocrity, cuz let’s be honest, their words AND actions this offseason screams of just wanting to be good enough, you WANT to trade Kluber for Andujar. If you can’t maintain young controllable assets you are looking at a sharp decline as an organization, and that WILL happen by keeping Kluber while he still maintains good trade value.
If you want to know how good Kluber is, go no further than his teammate Trevor Bauer, who already thinks he is better than him.
Honestly the Indians are over valuing Kluber as much as the Yankees are Gray.
Corey Kluber in 2018 was 20 – 7 with an ERA of 2.89 with 222 strikeouts. Trevor Bauer is also an ACE. That has a lot of value. That beats any Yankee starter. That is fine. I would rather have Kluber coming off that season than Adujar off his wonderful defensive season. Good, we agree to not trade. Let’s move on..
So you can ignore the postseason, which is what the Yankees are banking on, yet also ignore Andujar’s offense. which equals Kluber’s numbers if not betters them, seeing he impacts the club every day rather than every five days.
You can have your old declining “ace” who dies out in the posteason and I’ll keep my up and coming rookie who has an all star level bat at 24.
Yes, we agree!
I take my pitcher that went 20 – 7 and finished 3rd in the CY Young voting. If that is declining then no wonder you can’t judge the importance of infield defense. You better keep Sonny Gray with your fragile starting pitching staff.
There is nothing wrong with Kluber he’s a great pitcher I just would not trade Andujar for him it doesn’t mean Kluber is bad, or not worth it I just would not trade a young position star with that much offensive ability but needs work on his defense but so much ceiling for any pitcher Kluber DeGrom doesn’t mater would not do it too much risk with a pitcher. Top 30 prospects sure but not Andujar…i think that’s fair.
Gray is a goner not that he is a bad pitcher he will turn it around in a smaller market but New York is not his town he can not handle it mentally nor ever will. ..we don’t want him nor will we keep him
When you are a hockey fan, 2nd base, short stop and outfield kind of blur because the players move around so much. Lol
Look at Machado’S home/road splits away from Camden Yards it’s very close to Arenado’s to Coors
DJ gives them solid defense at second. Torres should be decent at short… almost as good as Didi. Third is still bad… but should improve with experience.
Instead of Tulo, I expected them to sign a guy like Iglesias that could give solid defense at short and at third. He could be a late inning replacement. Tulo has been bad defensively for a while now and he hasn’t hit for a few years. It’s a low risk move, but not sure what they’ll get from him. I don’t expect them to hand the job to him. He’ll probably get some regular playing time during spring training and go from there. If he’s great, they would probably open the season with him. If not, he’ll be the backup.
I don;’t disagree, I just hate the idea of bouncing Torres around like that. I don’t want to see him play short, then move back when Didi is back or when DJ is gone. I don’t want them to try him at third, then put at short, then back at second.
Torres is young, Let him stick at one position. If they move him in 2019, he should stay there.
If Torres does well, he might stay there. It might be the end of Didi at short. His defense has decreased. He might make a good 2B later in his career.
I’m pretty sure this is didi’s last year with the Yankees. Cash will need to extend contracts to Judge and the rest of the homegrown talent.
he already said publicly that he wants Didi beyond 2019. being that his return this year remains a question of if and when then i don’t think they would’ve gone to arbitration with him knowing they’d have to pay him close to $12 mil. if they’ve already determined they will replace him in 2020 then why not just non- tender him for 2018 and save thst $$$$?
His defense has decreased? Show me where you see this. Or are you just saying that?
Any time fans find someone better suddenly they’re down on the last guy. Didi is still an amazing shortstop, offsensively and defensively. If they could shift Torres to third full time and long term, and Andujar to 1B, full time/long term, that would be the alighment i’d want to see.
But as an outside observer (ie: not a scout or evaluator), I have no idea if Torres or Andujar can adequately adjust to those positions in one offseason.
Torres was a shortstop, until he became a utility player because of Didi. Believe they will try him at 3rd before DJ
Torres isn’t a “utility” player. He was a SS that was moved to 2B. Big difference,
On exactly what do you base saying Tulo has been bad defensively for awhile now.Last year in an injured season of 66 games he had a ..4 dWAR the year before in a 131 games he had a 1.8 and the year before that in an injured season of 41 games he had a .9. So please explain to us what knowledge you possess about his defensive woes His big negative lately is offensively not defensively
You are correct Willy. It’s know it all yankee haters who are good at fabricating make believe. Even if they have a command of some statistics they’ve never watched the game to understand it.
Tulo is a minimal risk, high ceiling opportunity. Cash sniffs those out from a mile away.
Machado make a decision you’re down to two teams, pick one and let the chips fly.
Next year when their lease expires, the Angels will move to St. Petersburgh to compete with the Rays……..
So they can split the 10,000 fans in the area?
and you will finally get a job of cleaning sewage drain in oco!
Music to me ears… Harper, my Harper.
Harper definitely fits better now but only at 5 years which he won’t sign for. Cashman and Hal will want to give themselves plenty of options to keep resetting the tax until its time to pay their homegrown talent.
Harper might sign $40 mil a year for 5 years. He’ll still be early 30’s and able to make some big money.
I mean, is the record for largest contract really all that great a record to hold? Wouldn’t you be more interested in MVP’s or WS titles?
He’ll make more money than he could spend no matter what.
If he’d take it I could see the Yanks doing that. Or some weird Britton type contact with 4 years guaranteed with a 4 year team option but the yanks would have to exercise the option after 2 years or else Harper can become a FA again at that time.
I just can’t see the 10+ year contract for either Harper or Machado. This would push them over the tax and most likely keep them over for the next 12 years. This would also make their payroll at least $280+ mil in six years at the highest tax penalty. That’s a position Hal has said he doesn’t want to be in again.
Never underestimate the power of some to spend their money. Paycheck beats awards almost every time.
Been thinking along the same lines. The NBA stars might have the best logic. Take shorter term contracts that allow them to get max salaries, while also playing with teams that give them the best chance to win. It’s not a bad approach and surprised that no one in baseball has started doing that.
You would think if Harper truly wanted to be a Yankee he would sign 2 3 or 4 years at perhaps up to 50 million with the opportunity to get his life contract at age 29 or 30. Yankees could offer 3 years or 4 years with ability to opt out in year 2 or more opt out options and the Yankees carry the option to extend his contract to 7 or 8 years at 40 to 50 million a year.
If he really is mind set on 10 years 325 million like Nats are likely offering then the Yankees are out of it from the start.
I agree. I can see a 2-3 year deal at 40+ with options to extend
i don’t think that is necessarily to the players sole benefit. i think that’s something owners prefer too. it limits risk. even the bad contracts terminate within 4-5 years.
That’s not weird Dobs-it’s the future of large contracts, courtesy of its inventor, Scott Boras.
That’s not really how it would work. Just as you take on salary with an acquisition you can also decrease salary by letting a vet walk and replacing them with cheaper replacements.
After 2019 the Yanks can let Gardner and Sabathia walk. After 2020 they can let Elssbury, Tanaka and possibly Happ walk. If the Yanks can graduate some kids from the farm or a trade to replace those departing players then they can re-purpose that money.
Salary structures are much different in the NBA and one player really is the entire team. It’s very rare for a top NBA player to suddenly decline like it is in baseball as well. I don’t think you’ll ever see it.
Harper will be a National Phillie or Dodger
At some point willingness meets ability.
Who’s willingness, a teams? A player’s? Who’s ability, and to do what? Ability to play? To pay a player? To win? What the heck are you talking about?
From the post: “However, Andujar has consistently demonstrated a willingness to better his defense – including this winter – and the Yankees are confident his work will yield positive results in 2019”
I’m still not seeing the logic behind his statement. Is he saying that a player with strong ability will inevitably show a willingness to improve? What ability has he shown defensively? Or is he saying that a player with offensive ability will inevitably show a willingness to improve defensively?
Because that is just NOT true. And even if it were, it doesn’t reason that he has the ability defensively, no matter how willing he is.
Hello. How old is he? Give he kin a break. He was supposed to groom one more year in AAA and was thrust into the Bronx where he had a great year.
I actually agree with you. 2018 was supposed to be his year to improve at AAA. I do think he will eventually improve to “competent.”
But I don’t think it’s inevitable.
I think he’s saying there’s only so far that willingness to improve takes you if you lack the ability. Maybe. Well, anyway, at least we’ve established whose willingness it is.
Manny Ramirez never had a willingness to improve his defense, so there is a positive to come out of a player willing to put in the work to become a great two way player and not just a great one dimensional one as Manny was.
Hey Matt-TRUTH be told, Manny was a cheat. That was his one dimension. They have permanently erased the back of his baseball card, and replaced the statistics with “Kids-Don’t cheat. This guy is a bum. He was thrown off and quit teams for cheating.
Oh you mean like Aroid and your beloved Andy Pettitte cheaters flat out. I could go on and on there is an old saying what is it oh yea “ those in glass houses”
Andujar has 70-rated arm, rated higher than hitting.
23 year old rookie
“Despite offensive prowess, Andujar’s most impressive tool is his cannon arm. slightly below-average speed, but more than enough range for third base, though he still needs to polish some rough edges on defense. While he has lapses with his footwork and throwing accuracy, he’s making progress.”
baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/miguel-anduja…
I don’t know about low running speed I see him run from home to first hustling pretty fast beating out a number of throws and round the bases seems much faster a foot then I thought he was.
Yes. This has been his scouting report since he was high on there prospect list.
Long term, he may still have to move off third. On any other team he’d probably make an excellent corner outfielder with that arm.
Maybe, but not this year. While the infield is crowded, the outfield is much more so.
Andujar will have moved to 1B or DH full time by the end of the 2019 season. Bank on it.
Sure la and Anaheim need a new stadium but The As and the Rays need it more then any other team in baseball
angels don’t want a new stadium. the team wanted to spend its own money to retrofit and improve it and the city of anaheim still said no to that. i hope they build a new one on that vast parking lot. but the city already said no to that either.
Someone needs to remind old Arte that his team is in Orange County not Los Angeles
Dumbest location designation in sports… We are from here, but wish we from there. It’s not enough to have one of the wealthiest parts of CA to call home. I need all of LA included to boost my fragile ego!
Move over goat, curse of the ego is here! Is it just a coincidence that they keep struggling to win with $200m payrolls ever since Arte messed with their name??
angels are the original l.a. team. besides, for average people of other states, oc is within l..a. megalopolitan area. just as new jersey giants and jets are new york teams.
Anaheim has never been considered part of LA.
They were better off keeping the CA designation if they wanted to claim a bigger fan base than Orange County
and what happened to san diego chargers?
What did I miss here? Is it now the Los Angeles Chargers of San Diego??
Pathetic really. Money makes people do stupid things
Oh wait. It’s the Los Angeles Chargers of San Diego via Carson City!
yeah that has a better ring to it. I hope Dean makes a ton of cash, yeah!!
Hyperbole much?
1. Arte has $3 billion reasons over 20 years that tells him that the name change was a great idea.
2. The Angels have never even come close to having a $200m payroll. Look it up.
well you caught me there.. i did not look it up. But are you going to try to argue that the Angels don’t spend a ton and can’t buy a win?? pure semantics.
At this point, a curse is the best explanation for all the Angel’s woes.
And the name is still stupid. Attaching LA to the Angel’s moniker was just a shameless attempt to grab more money
“Can’t buy a win”
Moreno fully took over the Angels in 2004. MLB wins since 2004:
Yankees 1397
Red Sox 1353
Cards 1351
Dodgers 1326
Angels 1317
All but STL have wildly outspent the Angels during this timeframe. Hey, but don’t let the facts get in the way of your hyperbole! PS: the whole idea of running a business is to make “more money” lol
Cherry pick all the stats you want it still doesn’t amount to much. Playoff record is 9-19 in that span with zero championships.
I’m guessing by you getting triggered by this you are one of the haters who likes to get enraged by out of context stats.
When you are talking the kind of money these guys make, yes a move like adding LA to your moniker is stupid, arrogant, greedy, all just to make a little “more money”. The Angels were wildly successful before the name change. And Anaheim sees the writing on the wall, Arte has always been eyeing a move to LA. I was living in Orange County when he changed the name. No one liked it then and it still makes no sense now.
When will there be enough money? These guys already make crazy amounts of it. Changing your name in an effort to look like something you are not is pathetic, in every scenario. Desperately trying to get included into the LA scene is gross. The Angels, much like the Chargers have/had a good thing with those non-LA locations. But the lure of “more money” caused them to sell their souls. I’m not sure why Arte wants so badly to be MLB’s version of the Clippers.
Have you forgot the pitch to the people the owners made when they asked for all those billions of dollars to build their stadiums? They promised to be a part of the community and a bunch of other bs… Yes there should be some sense of loyalty paid to the fans and local
The fact that you include Anaheim with the likes of LA, Boston, and NYY just proves my point. They spend plenty. But seem to be cursed
You really have no idea what you are talking about. The name change was 100% to be able to get a bigger TV deal. And it worked wonderfully. Before the name change the Angels TV deal was about $40-$50m per year. After the name change it’s $150m per year. The only people “triggered” here are the ones who have some irrational attachment to the first part of their team’s name. I for one, cannot care less, as long as they’re the Angels and they play within 10 minutes of my house they can call themselves whatever they please.
I have no idea what you are referring to with the stadium reference, Angel stadium is the 4th oldest in MLB. Arte and other private investors offered up their own $$s to fully renovate the Big A, NO PUBLIC MONEY. All they asked for is the rights to lease the parking lot for $1 year for development. Independent analysts indicated that the additional tax revenue from the development would have resulted in millions of dollars for the city year after year, but the city declined.
The comparison to the Clippers (OMG) and your repeated reference to a “curse” just shows you are an uninformed know it all. 25 out of 30 teams have fewer wins than the Angels over the past 14 seasons. Winning championships is very difficult in any major sport, and using it as the barometer of whether or not a franchise is successful is ridiculous.
heh, yeah no you’re not triggered
I’m a Padre fan, I’m certainly not saying the Angels suck because of win/loss record. Get a grip dude. You are proving my point beautifully
Certainly not a know it all, I admitted to not knowing the numbers straight out.
The stadium reference is easy. Every owner ever who has asked for money has stated what a pilar in the community they will be. How they will make the town, they will take care of the town. But they will bolt as soon as they can if new town dangles more money. Back to the “more money”…. When a guy is already a billionaire, moving a franchise to another city for “more money” is silly. All while demanding loyalty from a fan base that likely will never sniff that kind of money, even adding all of their working years together.
With all the money that Arte has thrown at this team can you really be ok with 9 playoff wins and no championships? A curse is a fun and easy out.
Of course winning it all is hard… everything needs to go right
As expected Bombers are going cheap.Unless lighting strikes their team is pretty much set for 2019. Maybe another relief pitcher,but that’s it.
Only Yankee fans could call their team “cheap” with a payroll approaching $225M (and exceeding it if they sign that relief pitcher).
Eye roll.
Yankees still need to designate someone. Signing DJ gives them 41 on their 40 man roster. They designated Cole and the Indians picked him up. If the Yankees designate another player, they will probably lose them too. They might need to make a trade… 2 for 1.
Or 3 for 0
Get rid of Wade Frazier and Bird for prospects and sign Harper for left.
Tell me what you expect to get for Bird, please. At this point he needs to regain value before he becomes a trade chip.
You don’t have to get back much to trade a player.
I would not mind DFA Cessa I had it with him and he has no options left. I could see some in need pitching team wanting him in a trade as a low cost starter or bullpen help
The Yankees are doing it right! I’m a Red Sox fan ! I’m originally from the Boston area. The Yankees don’t need to touch Harper or Machado. The yanks need to save their money so when it’s time to re sign judge and Stanton, they won’t be strapped down for money on Harper or machado!
Re-sign Stanton? I’m dumber just reading your thoughts.
What if he opts out? He’s not so dumb after all fella!
If Machado didn’t act like a complete jerk last October, he’d be Yankee today.
Um, no. If he reduced the years and knocked 100m off his asking price, he might be a Yankee today.
Really? He turned off Hal Steinbrenner. Why Yankee fans don’t understand that yet is beyond me.
Yankees fans don’t seem to understand other teams have money as well, their arrogance is beyond amazing?
He is not going to get the money or the years he is asking for. He wanted to play for the Yankees, and likely would have worked something out had he not turned off the Yankee’s owner last October.
Macstrusts, the Yankees have already said that those comments were no longer a concern after meeting with him. Do keep up.
@cscd1111 This entire site is like that. It’s riddled with entitled Yankee fans. I used to get annoyed but now I’m entertained by it.
This is what I see daily.
1. You get massive downvotes for replying anything negative about the Yanks, no matter how absurd the original comment was.
2. Yankee fans expect to get every decent free agent out there. If one signs somewhere else they instantly say the player wasn’t worth it and they really want the next guy. Case in point – Machado doesn’t look to sign so they say they are going after Arenado next and will ‘save money doing so.’ Corbin signs with the Nats and suddenly everyone says they didn’t want him in the first place.
3. Cashman is a genius no matter what he does.
4. They think their prospects are better than anyone else’s. Anyone remember the post where some guy said Yankee prospects are a grade higher than the next team’s and should be considered such? I do and I recall a bunch of upvotes.
5. Sonny Gray is suddenly Roger Clemens and should pull in a haul. I saw one guy comparing getting the same deal back as Madison Bumgarner.
6. Ellsbury still can be tossed in trades.
@macstruts you really think baseball owners have a need to like a player to sign him? this isn’t Dr. Buss and Magic Johnson. Hal’s not going to let personality get in the way off acquiring a superstar. im guessing the long term commitment is the more relevant concern for mgmt.
@cscd1111 why say that? where has any yankee infer that we would outspend anyone for Manny. However, from what the media is indicating, Manny wants to be a yankee and is hoping for the then top sy least give him a competitive offer so he could say yes. seems the yankees aren’t as interested.
I really believe my source. That is who I believe. I don’t expect you to believe him, or me, you don’t know who he is, you don’t know who I am. But I heard is more than a month ago, and nothing I’ve heard since has changed my mind.
But that’s why the Yankees are not pursuing him.
Becuz yankee fans are dumber than rocks
I agree it’s not the acting like a jerk that stands in my way or the Yankees way. Of course Machado did himself no favors to do so, it’s strictly 1. Yankees have a prized rookie with promise at 3rd like his defense or not, 2. a money issue meaning huge contract over many years does effect future roster moves because of that stupid luxury tax which I don’t agree with and hate. Manny is a prize catch it just may not fit the asking price he commands it’s not that he isn’t worth it he is but how it effects the Yankees going forward.
Hey Jek-f you add an R to the
middle of your name here, then it would fit your posts. Calm down as a yankee hater. Take your resentment and tuck it. Perhaps your own team is not worthy of loyal support. And ok Yankee fans are jaded. Did you need to post here to know that? With 40+ ALCS and 27 WS championships we believe in our team.
And in this day of luxury taxes and other rules to even out for the lower clubs there’s no excuse, like perhaps your beloved Mets’ pathetic Bernie Madoff drama.
Awww, did I hurt your widdle feelings, Mikey? Boo hoo. Why don’t you take your toys and Derek Jeter jersey and go home then?
Thanks for entertaining me yet again.
I don’t know who your source is and it doesn’t matter. I don’t think Hal was having expresso’s with Chapman yet they acquired him via trade, traded him away and then signed him to one of the largest contracts for a closer. I don’t know but an alleged wife-beater is likely not more well liked than a guy like Manny who’s main negative was on-field.
If a team owner truly dislikes a player’s personality then I doubt they’d be willing to see past it if they “come cheap”. My guess is they like Manny and Harper but would only jump on one if the term of the contracts are shorter. or less aav.
Hey all 1111–does that include the Mets? Oh no over ten years ago Bernie Madoff toook all of their false profits away..boo hoo…..
Glad that you are entertained when embarrassed so thoroughly for your verbal diaherea. Are you wearing your David Wright jersey or Manny Ramirez thong?
I don’t know where you got the idea I’m a Met fan. I’m a Giants fan.
So… yet again more entertainment. Keep feeding me, chuckles. I’m having a bad day and this is cheering me up.
They traded for Chapman after what he did. The whole “we are worried about his acts” is a way to lower his price.
If the Yanks are refusing to meet Machado’s asking price, then they won’t be paying Harper what he wants either.
Not necessarily. Harper in Yankee Stadium with Stanton traded to the Dodgers, or Giants?
Why trade Stanton and then pay over $12 million more to another player for the same if not less production?
Younger, LH bat in Yankee Stadium, and Stanton will return a very nice group of prospects.
Yanks only had to give up one A baller to get him. How do you think they’d get more than that in a return? Also the lefty bat is a bit overhyped. Yes the short porch would be nice for Harper but it doesn’t mean he’s automatically going to start hitting 60 HR per season.
Stantons contract will be an anchor the last four years. He is owed $128 mil with the buy out. Miami owes $30 mil of that. $98 mil starting at age 34. That is why the Yankees only gave up Castro and two B prospects to get him. No team will give up top prospects to get him. If they want to find a trade partner it will return the same
+socalbum
Stanton wont return a very nice group of prospects if you expect to dump his contract on the Dodgers. Hypothetically, if the Yankees were to eat the majority of his contract in a trade with the Dodgers, then they would get a good return. However, you can just look to the last time Stanton was traded for what would happen.
Trading Stanton just to sign Harper only makes sense on MLB the Show. I would rather have Stanton at his price than Harper. If Stanton and Harper cost the same I still might prefer Stanton as he is more consistent.
socalbum. If Stanton didn’t want to Giants before, why would he want to go to the Giants now.
I forgot the no trade clause which makes Stanton even harder to trade. Miami reportedly got less than they would have if Stanton would have accepted a trade to Giants or Cards. Only teams he may accept a trade to would be in L. A.. Does not give the Yankees a lot of leverage in negotiations.
Stanton would not want the Giants no way nor would I blame him
Please, people, Stanton is not going anywhere.
Stanton isn’t getting traded. They didn’t wake up at the end of the season, look at the FA list and say “wow. Harper and Manny are FA this year. i wish we didn’t trade for Stanton so we can sign one of them”. When they acquired Stanton they knew the very next year that those two guys would likely be FA. Stanton is a non-issue with regards to who else they sign. Either he was their preference, or they wanted to add to Stanton at the right price or they have no interest real interest at all, especially Manny as it was infered that if not for Didi’s injury they wouldn’t be this interested in Manny at all.
Agreed they knew signing Stanton could be their Manny or Harper of 2019 now Stanton fell on their lap they got him at a discount, because you can’t absolutely predict the future they cashed in their chips with what was a sure thing taking on Stanton
Times have changed; agents like Boras pushed it as far as they could (for now)….teams got smart and won’t sign position players to ten years, or pitchers beyond 5, depending on their age. If the “control” period after the minors shortens, this will change. Meanwhile, the Harpers and Machados will not get what they want, simply because they want (or guys ike Boras want) it. For the Yanks, smart move to not sign Manny. Torres struggled a bit last year after a hot start – first his bat cooled, then his defense tailed a bit. I think they leave him at 2nd base so as to not overload him. Tulo slides into SS easily, a great move – Tulo with a chip on his shoulder playing for his dream team? Definitely. Andujar’s defense will improve, and Boone now has the option of putting in LeMahieu for defense, late in tight games. Tulo will need rest days; Torres sits against pitchers tough on him…..enter LeMahieu. First is Voit’s to lose – anything from Bird will be an unexpected surprise, but has great upside. If he does great, we keep him, if he shows some flashes, he becomes part of a potential package with Gray for some team like the Reds. Frazier is a huge key – if he can return to form, and be our LF, we just solved leadoff and left, Gardy as #4. Ellsbury in the wings pending a freak injury like Judge’s last year. DH a revolving door, as it should be, to give guys a day. The final piece now is Ottavino, and maybe, just maybe, a Cashman surprise like throwing some bucks at a starting pitcher that nobody expects, at the last second. I’m gambling on Keuchel for that dark horse.
If Frazier is the Yankee LF and DH is a revolving door, is Judge the Yankees CF? Or is Stanton just a late game pinch hitter? I guess if you have a $12mm/year late game defensive replacement a $29mm/year bench bat makes some sense.
@Michaelbennett The revolving DH them is overrated. This isn’t the yeam from years ago when you had Tex, Jeter, McCann, Arod, etc where they need rest and you need there bat. If a player needs rest you can sit him for a full game and plug someone else in. Stanton can rest both corners, Gardner can rest LF/CF. Frazier can also play CF a few games in smaller parks too. DJ, if not a starter, can cover 2B and from what had been suggested, 1B abd 3B too. the only player who might need some DH time is Sanchez just because catching is more strenuous and most C usually catch about 100-120 games these days.
@therealryan why should Judge need to play CF as opposed to Hicks, Gardner or Frazier (occasionally).?
Two things first I think the smarter play would be sign Marwin Gonzalez send Frazier to AAA for depth until next year when Gardner is gone. Yankees need a left or switch hitter plus a 2nd Super Utility eliminates two 1b and 5 outfielders on a roster Frazier has his full time year next year, stays minor league Yankees depth or is dealt in part of package in summer for an ace.
Bird to the Reds, with Gray? Let me guess, you’re getting Votto back.
Love it…kuechle ottivino
Which is it?
A:
“The Yankees are The Evil Empire! They buy all the best players! They try to buy Championships! It’s unfair to the smaller markets! They ruined MLB!!”
B:
“The Yankees are colluding against high priced Free Agents! They’re stupid for not signing John Smith! It’s all about vanity! They don’t want to pay Luxury Tax! HAHA they’ll never get past Boston!”
Pick one
Move on
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B:
“The Yankees are colluding against high priced Free Agents! They’re stupid for not signing John Smith! It’s all about vanity! They don’t want to pay Luxury Tax! HAHA they’ll never get past Boston!”
so the Yankees, being the evil empire, are conspiring to NOT use the greatest advantage they have against most of its competitors? the ability to outspend? yankees, more likely, have smart minds that see the market the way that other highly skilled front office see too.
Yankees and Red Sox fans say B while fans of the other 28 teams say A. Maybe 27 since Cubs fans still feel like they are going to see that dynasty they were promised.
You know a dynasty doesn’t mean you win the WS every year, right?
It sort of does. A dynasty is looked at as 3 or 4 titles in a short-period of time. Yanks last one was 96-2003. 6 WS in 8 years and 4 rings.
John Smith outperformed his peripherals so much last year, I expect a lot of regression in 2019.
lol! best reply so far!
Seriously? Wake up! Smith was in his age 24 season, and was on the DL for a month! I’m not sure how you can judge his peripherals based on a year and a half of playing time. In the minors he put up stellar numbers (his best year in 2016 at AAA before his call-up) and it was only his defense that was considered a problem.
When he returned from the lat strain in August, the move to the outfield seemed to really help him, and I expect him to improve even more at the plate next season.
A 3.62 BB/9 is not ” playable “, especially for a reliever. Smfh.
And Andujar was not horrific defensively in 2018. Wow. This Connor guy sounds like some of the bitter Yankee haters on here claiming the Yanks won 5 WS titles and 7 pennants with ” the worst defensive SS ever “. Lolol
-2.2 dwar is horrible.
Andujar was indeed horrific.
Jeter did indeed suck at SS, the amount of groundballs he jumped over going up the middle was hilarious when I’d see A-Rod or Visquel get to the same balls standing and throw them to first.
Jeter made up with it by being one of the best hitting players of all time and being one of the better baserunners until he retired by always putting up value with his high amount of steals and low caught stealing percentages.
Andujar put up -25DRS last year, Nicholas Castellanos put up -24DRS at 3B a few seasons ago, Ryan Braun put up -34DRS during his rookie season. They’re both in the outfield now and Castellanos is still a butcher in RF but at least he’s hitting enough for teams to think about acquiring him as a DH.
Arenado’s contract might be shorter than Machado’s because he will be 3 years older, but he just asked for 30 mil in arb, his demands won’t be much less than Machado’s.
This is the part I’m not understanding. You could give Machado $33mm/season for his age 26-35 seasons, or Arenado $33mm/season for his age 29-35 seasons. I know I’d rather have a player’s age 26-28 seasons, especially if I have to pay for their mid 30’s either way.
As great as Machado is , The yankees will pass on him. Give Andujar one more year to improve on defense, Then they trade him next year to sign Arenado. Machado signs with philly or the white sox.
Why on earth would they give him one more chance then for sure trade him next year? If they give him chance they are staying with him unless he proves he can’t get better…I bank he does
These reporters don’t really know anything or what’s going on with players and teams.. The yankees could be in on Machado still for all we know.. NO ONE knew they were in on DJ LeMahieu.
Angels Stadium is a dump. Should have built a new one by the metro link in Tustin by El Toro.
Idiots.
The food sucks.
too much traffic in tustin.
I’ve never seen a -20 defensive runs saved fielder (Andujar) become serviceable before at the same position so I have no idea what the Yankees are doing not finding someone elite to play 3B. LeMahieu isn’t very proven outside of Coors just like Carlos Gonzalez, Cuddyer, (heck 34 year old Mark Reynolds could hit for a decent average over 500PA there!) and a million other guys made inside that massive Colorado ballpark the bat doesn’t always play when outside of there and the home splits vs away splits proves that.
Andujar isn’t going to just learn how to play good defense tomorrow after being horrific. He might get moved to 1B which will just open a hole at SS/3B especially if LeMahieu isn’t good outside Coors like previously mentioned and Tulowtizki plays like a guy who’s had a million surgeries, who hasn’t seen MLB action since May of 2017 and hasn’t been above replacement level since 2016.
The Yankees haven’t won a division since 2012 for a reason, it’s not because they’re not a talented group but they truly need someone like a Machado in their lineup if they want to start aiming for that division. Aim for the wildcard and you end up winning 89 games looking on the outside.
THE YANKEES WILL NOT BE WINNING A DIVISION ANYTIME SOON! THATS THE REDSOX DIVISION
Yankees are the favourites to win the AL East. They’ve boosted the starting rotation, did a decent job with the bullpen and have shored up their infield with DiDi coming back mid-season.
Boston’s bullpen is now in-question. With guys coming off career years I can see Boston being in 2nd while winning 98 games. Yes, Yankees are in-line for another 100 in 2019.
Paxton is injury prone, CC is getting up there in age. Happ was lights out for them, but still the rotation does not scare me. Boston is still the favorite.
Here’s a Blue Jays fan who I’m sure thinks Pillar is some stellar defensive CFer, yet claims Andujar was horrific at 3rd base. Stop guzzling the LaBatt’s Blue and watch a game.
Andujar certainly isn’t Brooks Robinson, but he wasn’t horrific and he has the chance to improve to become a quality 3rd baseman.
Thank you Southpaw2153 for your honest unbiased assessment I agree Pillar is great in center. It’s what I feel about Andujar …wouldn’t you agree that almost any MLB team would love to have him or at least many have called Yankees about his availability? Wow when you watch YouTube Andujar 2018 defense highlights it is an eye opener and it’s sure hard to believe some Yankee fans view he is cement hand dead weight person.
Some people like to hate and those that do…love hyperbole!
Pillar isn’t that great in CF anymore, he hasn’t been great since 2016. He’s still been average to above average with the glove though and to say otherwise is ignoring Statcast and DRS which is you know facts. I watch more Yankee games than I watch Jays games these days because I’m a baseball fan.
(I’m going to copy from my post below)
Bottom guys at 3B since DRS (defensive runs saved) was tracked by Fangraphs:
Ryan Braun 3B 2007: -32DRS
Nicholas Castellanos 3B 2014: – 30DRS
Garrett Atkins 3B 2007: -26DRS
Miguel Andujar 3B 2018: -25DRS
Mark Teahen 3B 2005: -21DRS
Mark Reynolds 3B 2011: -20DRS
Miguel Cabrera 3B 2007: -19DRS
You know how many of these guys stayed at 3B? None of them.
^You don’t watch enough baseball if you think Pillar isn’t a great CF anymore. Despite maybe losing a bit of wheels he takes excellent routes and plays very well out there. Please put your Leafs gear on and pray for a Stanley Cup.
I’m not a hockey fan anymore at least, Pillar had a brutal year defensively and all facets show that with DRS rating his work as a -2 this year. He’s 30 now, defense for guys who throw their bodies against walls and such tend to have lags eventually as they age. Highlight reel catches don’t always tell the story, Derek Jeter made some highlight reel plays but he also missed balls up the middle and dove over them (PASTA DIVING JETER) that say JJ Hardy would’ve gotten to standing up.
More misleading, flawed stats based on half fact, half hypotheticals. Using phony numbers to “back my arguments with facts” proves you’re nothing more than a google searcher with an excel sheet.
Look, if I were a team looking at Pillar I would be scared away because of his age and the inevitable breakdown of his body (you don’t have a stat for that, BTW). But don’t talk about a guy being brutal defensively because of a fake rating.
I said VERY CLEARLY earlier he was average to above average but he was great from 2015-2016. For his standards having a negative -2DRS season for 2018 in CF puts him in the below average camp for 2018. But please do keep telling me how you evaluate players, I’m sure people are just looking at your statistics that you pioneered while guys like Bill James, Dave Cameron and others who innovated the stuff I look up are routinely hired by MLB teams.
You’re completely wrong. Yanks haven’t won the East since 2012 because those teams up until 2018 just weren’t very good. They were 85 win teams. But what they did do was to rebuild on the fly and added mlb pieces and developed the farm and that allowed them a +7 win improvement from 2016-2017 and a +9 win improvement from 2017-2018. Why people, Yanks fans included) can’t appreciate that and not panic because the Sox were a little better last year amazes me. Simply as constituted as they are RIGHT now this team is better than any team they’ve had in the last 8-10 years. There is SOME fragility as it’s largely powered by players with less than 3 years experience but I think the Yanks have made efforts to bring in some veteran players to support the younger ones.
The Yankees spent money on bringing in guys like Kevin Youkillis, Travis Hafner, Vernon Wells, Alfonso Soriano, Chase Headley, Carlos Beltran, Stephen Drew, Garrett Jones during their “out in the wilderness” years from 2013-2015.
Don’t pretend those 85 win teams wouldn’t have turned into 90+ win teams if they smartened up and signed someone like Max Scherzer or re-signed Robinson Cano. They spent the right money on guys showing elite stuff out of the pen in Miller/Chapman. They even got Robertson back for nothing other than taking on money.
Right now the Yankees have guys like Judge, Sanchez, Torres and Severino all making peanuts due to the arbitration process, right now would make the perfect time for them to get someone elite and expensive while they have the luxury tax room.
@jaysfan1994
I truly don’t understand the point your trying to make. You accuse them of not having “a Manny” and infer that if they had then they absolutely wouldn’t won but then you point to a bunch of role players and mid-season guys brought in to boost things a bit.
First off, None of those signings were significant and shouldn’t be compared to signing a guy to a 10 year $300 mil contract.
You think letting Cano walk was a BAD idea considering the contract he signed and the PEDS?
The Yanks HAVE acquired elite talent. His name is Stanton and he was the MVP coming off of a 59 hr year when they acquired him.
As for “to get someone elite and expensive while they have the luxury tax room”. They are already over the lux tax and are still in buy mode. I want them to get Harper too. If the Yanks have decided that they are willing to go over the lux tax line but don’t want to go near the $250 range and would rather spread whatever payroll left around then we’ll have to accept that. This is still a 100 win team and we’ve made big improvements imo. Not sure how ppl can look at what the Astros and Sox have lost and not acknowledge that the Yanks have had a solid winter.
Those salaries they handed out from 2013-2015 added up. They got like 3-4fWAR in total for 100M+ over 3 seasons. I’d rather spend to ger to a world series adding a 6-7fWAR 26 year old than than spend the same for 6-7 players all in their mid 30s putting up half the fWAR over the same season because it’s a short term commitment.
Machado shouldnt be worth less than 20M per season until he’s in his 30’s given how he fields 3B without damaging his body. He’s a +10DRS 3B every year with an ability to hit.
I have to applaud the Yanks for being smart about Machado. They get a player in LeMaheiu who’s an all star caliber player at a very affordable price. They can use the extra funds to stock up their bullpen even more now.
The LeMahieu signing is one of the best moves of the off-season. Yanks fans are going to be very pleased with this guy
DJ LeMahieu Career Away Splits: .264AVG/.311OBP/.362SLG/.673OPS
DJ LeMahieu Career Home Splits:.330AVG/.387OBP/.448SLG/.835OPS
He hasn’t played a different position other than 2B since 2014 and he only hits in a ballpark where Mark Reynolds and Michael Cuddyer could turn into average hitters in their mid 30s.
Tulowitzki’s been injured since May of 2017, that season he was horrible and essentially replacement level. He’s had a million surgeries to this point in his career and is in his mid 30’s.
Andujar is a -20DRS 3B type. This type of bad fielding is never improved. Even moving him to 1B just creates a hole on the left side of your infield. Sign Machado.
See here you have a half empty half full glass. If signing Manny is your only solution otherwise Yankees are doomed from start then nothing they do or anyone else says in the alternative are you going to approve of. It’s Manny or Yankees fall and die…
if you want to look at it half full then …
Let’s say DJ LeMahieu turns out with a very good season adopted well to Yankee Stadium and his hitting prowess returned more in the direction of his 2016 by cutting down fly balls and hitting natural to right field.
Say Tulo has a pretty good comeback not saying anything at all outlandish expectations but just suppose he was wow much better then anyone ever anticipated considering
Andujar has a great season no not anything close to a gold glove but a much better defensive improvement season as in the dedicated work is really paying off and his offensive numbers were even more fantastic then last year.
Nothing you’re saying is backed up by facts. I can look up how past -20DRS fielders have done at the same position and there’s nobody and I mean NOBODY who becomes serviceable at the position.
Bottom guys at 3B since DRS (defensive runs saved) was tracked by Fangraphs:
Ryan Braun 3B 2007: -32DRS
Nicholas Castellanos 3B 2014: – 30DRS
Garrett Atkins 3B 2007: -26DRS
Miguel Andujar 3B 2018: -25DRS
Mark Teahen 3B 2005: -21DRS
Mark Reynolds 3B 2011: -20DRS
Miguel Cabrera 3B 2007: -19DRS
None of these guys ever became plus fielders because it’s a fact when you’re this bad you probably shouldn’t be at the position. Other guys who come up near this type of lousiness at 3B are Stone Glovers in Michael Young, Jose Bautista and E5 I mean Edwin Encarnacion.
DJ LeMahieu’s batting profile isn’t that of a power hitter, he’s a BABIP guy who was 100% aided by the huge dimensions of Coors field IE: more room for balls to fall
He’s also an extreme push hitter (hits the other way) meaning his slap linedrives to RF/CF are less likely to drop for singles because there’s less room to cover in Yankee Stadium than Coors field. I don’t know why people are thinking this is a good thing, we’ve seen so many extreme pull left handed hitters in Yankee Stadium have horrible years with their batting average because every linedrive that isn’t out of the park is caught. Look at Curtis Granderson, Mark Teixiera, Brian McCann, Jason Giambi.
Unlike the guys I mentioned above those guys had homerun power and that could easily offset the difference in production if they were hitting dingers. There’s nothing to LeMahieu’s batting profile that I prefer to see, sure he’s a great fielder but that’s not going to play if say he hits .250/.310/.360 like you know he’s done every year outside of a ballpark that EVERYONE can hit in including 34 year old Mark Reynolds.
Thank you Jaysfan for doing the research on this.
The odds are against Andujar even being average defensively but who knows maybe he will be the only guy on that list who turns it around defensively or maybe he just hits like Miggy then he can play wherever he wants.
Bat Lemahieu 9th. That’s fine.
Yankees have plenty of bats. He can be a strong defender at 2B.
As for Andujar, expect the glove to improve. And the bat.
Do they have flaws? Yes. Every team has holes. Yankees won 100 last year and they may have a better team on-paper going into the season. The team and their fans have something to be optimistic about, flaws included.
I don’t now if I agree with you that a HUGE park like Coors benefited a non-power hitter like DJ. I could see the home run totals being higher due to the thinner air but more hits because the park is bigger? That usually works against a hitter as big parks are usually seen as pitcher friendly. I think the air makes it hitter friendly but not the park size. Otherwise, we would say the same thing about Oak, Mets, Dodgers and Tigers home-fields and none of those are considered hitter friendly. Your narrative suggest he would do worse in a smaller park (i.e.) Yankee stadium.
I do believe, to an extent, that numbers can be used to tell any story. However, on mlb network they broke down how the Yanks look for pull hitting lefties but also righties that tend to hit to RF.
DJ ranked about 50th among all hitter in that category which isn’t great but his 30% opposite field hitting would rank ahead of every other Yankee righty. This COULD turn into an instance where Cash might be too smart for his own good but I’m assuming they look at his exit velocity, his tendency to hit to RF and some other metrics to think he might fair better in YS with their use of metrics and more lift in his swing. I’m not sold on this move (signing DJ) but we have to wait and see the total picture. Cash doesn’t seem to do random. I just don’t see the need yet.
West Coast air knocks down flyballs, Coors thin-air helps deep flyballs carry an extra 10ft. It’s all summed up in park factors with science backed articles detailing why these things are the way they are. Coors Field’s large dimensions help BABIP (Batting Average with Balls In Play) as does Tiger Stadium, Kaufman Stadium ect. If you’re a gap hitter in these parks you almost always got a hit compared to say if you’re in Fenway with Kevin Kiermaier in CF and someone ropes something to center left field.
Pablo Sandoval is a guy who was also a push hitter, he slapped everything to the opposite field during his San Fransisco days when batting left handed. In Fenway he had a big monster do deal with, so obviously he’s going to hit for a high average right? Nope, less ground to cover means those linedrives to LF found gloves.
You have to look at their batting profile, a guy like Kendrys Morales was expected to hit 35+ homers for Toronto in 2017, instead he hit like garbage with most of his linedrives being off the wall for singles instead of the usual doubles he was use to in Kansas City due to the huge amount of ground the fielders had to cover.
There is no narrative, I backed my statements up with facts looking at them objectively from data collected.
Stankess please go after Manny! He would fit perfectly with his attitude and Sanchez. Try an buy yet abother title with the $$$ you throw around. But it doesn’t always work because players that get PAID turn pedestrian like after the big pay day. Sox repeat in ’19
Yanks didn’t sign a big FA last season and in fact, their 1B, 2B,SS,3B, C, RF, LF, DH and all of their pitching staff aside from Tanaka, CC and Chapman were acquired via the farm or a trade. You know who DID sign some big FA of late? The Red Sox (JD) did and they won a WS. The catch is, they did it the right way. They built a team based off of home grown players, used some prospects to acquire some impact players and the wisely supplemented to get the pieces they were missing. The same think the Yanks and other smart organizations are doing.
I am not saying that Andujar’s defense can’t improve I’m just saying no one who was a bad defensively as Andujar was even allowed to play third the next year. The only real complaint defensively was Braun in his rookie year and he never sniffed third base after that. I haven’t checked but Miggy was as bad defensively as Andujar but Miggy was a generational hitter. I think Andujar is a nice hitter but history is against him bettering his defense. It will be interesting to see how much he improves defensively.
The Yankees and Red Sox are going to battle it out again for the division both are very good teams hard to pick one over the other. Both teams have weaknesses but also a lot of strengths probably come down to key injuries.
So to all of you folks who posted on this thread. All of you are entitled to your opinions. There is reason to question them but doesn’t have to resort to personal attacks no matter how much you disagree with the person or no matter how ridiculous …it’s just an opinion
Sum mine up
Want Manny Machado as bad as anyone on the thread but not at expense of getting rid of Andujar (just plain insanely dumb) Yankees throw unlimited money no matter the cost or if in any way it effects resigning our current players, future free agents or trade. Given all that unless it’s unbelievable deal that favors the Yankees it isn’t likely happening.
No matter how you slice it dice it Andujar has earned an opportunity to stay at third base on the belief due to his commitment to work hard he is simply going to make great strides of improvement (in Andujar Camp 100%)
LeMahieu was an excellent free agent signing right along with signing Britton.
More then anything else at this point Yankees need a left or switch hitter bat and I see nobody better that fits the roster better in usefulness then Marwin Gonzalez or who compliments the LeMahieu signing those 2 and Romine become the mix and match bench
It would not be a bad idea to sign one more pitcher the best one available at the moment is Gio Gonzalez. It would be worth a 1 year reasonable as a 6th starter the goal is to eat innings at end of rotation likely between 150 and 200 innings. Much better solution to keeping Sonny Gray a huge mistake who needs to be long gone.
Get an Ace mid season trade deadline provided only giving up Top 30 minor prospects and at the worse Bird or Frazier in deal only if it is a must.
That’s it in a summary. If you don’t agree that’s great I don’t think it’s a bad plan.
RJ, I agree with you. The personal attacks bother me as well. We all are not going to agree, but we can remain civil and respectful.
Andujar does deserve one more year to prove he can handle third. I am afraid though that he will not improve enough to last at third. He is likely a dh in the future. That is why I am not excited if he were to come in a trade to the Indians.
Lastly, I don’t see how you can expect to get an ACE mid season with Bird, Frazier, and a Top 30 prospect. Frazier, with his concussion issues, does not have as much value as Yankee fans think. Bird, if he can’t make the Yankees with their need at first, won’t have much value as well. The prospect would have to be high up in the MLB top 100 to get the conversation started for an Ace. Just my opinion.
I do appreciate your civil tone. Keep preaching that here.
Hey there hockeyjohn appreciate your comments. My Frazier Bird in the deal is based on they do well in AAA and that is plus a number of top 30 MLB prospects which the Yankees are at least decent prospects the Bird Frazier are to add on since other teams prospects may be better Bird/Frazier could or would have to be added to make up for other teams offering more high rated then Yankee prospects.
Hockey Lover hey as a ex LE Officer had an interesting experiencing taking on an entire rather huge guys from a whole IHL pro hockey team + coach in an arena fight…where they thought I was part of the entertainment ….although battling with them wasn’t fun they far outnumbered me.. needless to say.I called in for more backup then their back up we won the battle plus had the last laugh
A final note I assure you the people on the threads who feel safety in keyboard who brazen themselves with anonymous safety into constant verbal attacks on the web against people who merely guilty of nothing but disagree with them are likely a real joy to live with provided they have a significant other or spouse who has to bare the mere task of living with them. Debate of ones opinions are fine.
As a matter of fact speaking from my past experience in refereeing I would guess thousands (lost count over the years) of family troubles, spouse abuse, domestic disputes those who were engaged in belittling name calling violence or abuse members of their household were the biggest cry babies of them all crying blubbering kicking, and screaming from the time we arrived to all the way to the county lock up. Keep that in mind the next time you witness these types bully you or others on these threads…
I couldnt imagine making the logical conclusion that anyone who calls you a dummy on the internet must be an awful person that deals with domestic violence or comes from a bad household environment.
i also find it ironic that you are dishing out personal attacks (which you are so strongly against and too good for) for people doing the same thing as you (personal insults on the web)
but hey, whatever makes you feel better about yourself.
There is nothing wrong with difference of opinion or strong debate provided it doesn’t get deeply personal.
Some folks just relish at picking fights, cutting people down, when frustration sets in they begin to belittle the person. There again is nothing wrong with challenging ones facts. You don’t even know me. Believe me buddy I know your type very well.
I related my life experience to an individual who does not agree with your accusations you are throwing around but that’s fine. I’ve interacted with too in many experiences in life Although the majority of people are good people there are a certain amount who are not.. Many of those types seem to have common traits. If you can’t accept that well it’s on you. I also do not need anything to make myself feel good. I know what I have accomplished in life known to many who know me personally and do not need to explain myself or prove it to you.
Suggest if you don’t like what I communicate on a post to someone else do yourself a favor don’t read it. better yet for both our sake don’t communicate with me again. Fair enough.
+rj
Is this some elaborate troll? If it is, good on ya m8.
In the case that it is not, I will respond accordingly below:
Firstly, I would like to point out that you didnt address the hypocrisy of some of your statements. Where as you demonstrated a distaste for personal insults for simple disagreements, you did the same thing by pushing insinuations that whomever is in their lives are suffering from merely being around them, that they probably come from a troubled household, and so on. You were doing the thing you criticized in the exact same post!
-“Some folks just relish at picking fights, cutting people down, when frustration sets in they begin to belittle the person.”
Sure. Too bad it has nothing to do with the arguments I set forth.
-“You don’t even know me. Believe me buddy I know your type very well.”
Firstly, I didnt claim to know you. I dont need to know you to respond how I did. Secondly, you dont know me. How can you even come to the conclusion that you know me, given that you are claiming that I dont know you? If I dont know you, then you dont know me. Given that you have revealed more about your personal life in this thread than all my comments on every article combined ever, i am baffled that if you believe the first sentence (“You dont even know me”) that you would believe the second (“I know your type very wel”l). Its not even logically consistent.
-“I related my life experience to an individual who does not agree with your accusations you are throwing around but that’s fine.”
A bit incoherent. I do not know what point you are trying to make.
-“Although the majority of people are good people there are a certain amount who are not.. Many of those types seem to have common traits. If you can’t accept that well it’s on you.”
Correlation does not prove causation. You are taking anecdotal experiences (which is a flawed way of thinking in itself) from your time refereeing and generalizing that onto anyone who calls you a big dum dum on the internet. Its not “on me” that not everyone shares those “common traits” for it is not an opinion. That would be an objective conclusion about facts. So it would not be on me, it would be on reality. You cant just go: “well, if you dont think the sky is green then thats on you.” Thats a terrible cop-out to any one with an argument that would dispute yours.
-“I also do not need anything to make myself feel good. I know what I have accomplished in life known to many who know me personally and do not need to explain myself or prove it to you.”
Thats great, pal. Whatever you gotta tell yourself.
-“Suggest if you don’t like what I communicate on a post to someone else do yourself a favor don’t read it. better yet for both our sake don’t communicate with me again. Fair enough.”
Um, no. Able to dish out insults and counter-arguments but want to cut off any chance that someone does the same to you? No, not fair enough at all. You are acting like I have done nothing but throw out personal insults and yet up to this point I havent even insulted you at all. All i have done was point out some flawed thinking and hypocritical moments in a few of your posts.
Manny Machado Madness fans who think Yankees are doomed if they don’t sign Machado who are using the excuse the Yankees or Hal Steinbrenner are cheapskates. While we appreciate your strong enthusiasm of demanding Machado to say the Yankees are cheapskates, money hungry or don’t care about their fans is an awful weak debate point that simply is not true. In fact that argument point is just plain ridiculous with nothing to support such a statement.
Since the Luxury Tax was introduced mainly due to the New York Yankees plus perhaps some big market teams the New York Yankees by far not even close when compared to any other MLB Club have been penalized a total of 319.6 to 341 Million Dollars No other team has even reached half that amount. Prior to this year the Yankees are the only team to pay this tax to MLB teams for 15 straight years.
Los Angeles Dodgers 2013-2017 $149.7 MM
Boston Red Sox 2004-2007, 2010-2011, 2015–2016 $25.1 MM
Detroit Tigers 2008, 2016-2017 $9.0 MM
San Francisco Giants 2015-2017 $8.8 MM
Chicago Cubs 2016 $2.96 MM
Washington Nationals 2017 $1.45 MM
Anaheim Angels 2004 $927,059
As you can see only 8 MLB clubs have ever paid it. If you want to accuse anyone of being cheap pick on the remaining MLB franchises calling them cheap then go right up the line of pecking order to see which owners or franchises are the real cheapskates.
Screw it, Cashman has been pretty right a lot more often than he’s been wrong. I like Andujar’s bat, and even more so his attitude. The kid wants to try and get better on D and he’s said all the right things. Give him another year. Maybe the Yanks feel he doesn’t have it at 3B after this season and make a run at Arenado while either moving Andujar to first or trade
I think many a Yankee fan is going to be surprised in the end with many a Andujar has to go Andujar stinks bandwagon members will be quietly but begrudgingly munching on their crow sandwiches down the road. while listening to the rooster crows three times in denial they were against him..every dog has his day Andujars day is coming …count on it
The non Ebonics version now??
Its weird to see people claim most Yankees fans wanted Machado and we are just mad now that the Yankees wont get him.
I, among many others, have been pleading for Cash to pass on Machado and Harper (maybe with exception of Xabial) and to keep Andujar. I am happy that they are passing them by. The only teams that should reasonably acquire one or the other (or both) have been the White Sox and the Phillies. If I was a fan of one of those teams I’d be singing a different tune about Machado and Harper. Those two teams actually have openings for them along with the money to spend. A team like the Yankees already has both a crowded IF and a crowded OF, and I am supposed to have wanted a 6 or 7th OF on the 25-man roster or a 3rd SS (or 2nd 3B) for $300M a pop? Noooooooooo.
The only thing I wanted the Yankees to get was more SP. They got Paxton, but I dont think he is enough. Really wanted him to sign Corbin and/or Kikuchi. However, there will definitely not be any sour grapes if/when Machado/Harper signs elsewhere.
Bengamin you are correct. It seems people are writing off Andujar’s glove, don’t think Torres can play SS and seem to believe Tulo will automatically start at SS. These young guys made huge strides, and any improvement on both D and offense will only make this team better regardless of how good they perform defensively. Lemahieu can D up at 2B. Sanchez should be better in 2019. This team is loaded. This team may be set up to win for years.
Way too much panic over Andujar. As long as he hits he will find a place to play in New York, 3rd base or not.
My theory about why there is so much panic over Andujar is that they heard a few talking heads say something about signing Machado and trading Andujar, so thats what they want. They are looking for every reason to doubt Andujar. I have learned to stop doubting Andujar. I have been watching him play since his Tampa Yankees days (now Tampa Tarpons). I loved when Andujar came up to bat because he seemed to be the only one in the lineup the deliver some action while the others put you to sleep. But even in the Majors now he seems to be a spark plug for the team. I think, while his defense is indeed not very good, the impact of his bad defense has been overestimated. There has been maybe one or two games last season that was lost or put into jeopardy because of a bad play by Andujar. He has a plus arm (rated 70 a while ago by scouts) which is a big piece for 3B success. There is a lot to be worked on, but its not an impossible task to get him to be an above average 3B. It is very plausible that he becomes an average 3B, which is good enough for me. The people begging for him to be plopped on 1B are out of their minds. A great SS and 3B in A-Rod was putrid at 1B.
I am also genuinely surprised at how many people in this thread needed to be reminded that SS is Torres’ natural position. Like, it wasnt long ago that Torres was coming up as a SS and that the story was Torres had to get used to 2B.
Sanchez should be much much better next year. Whats funny is that even with all the passed balls he still had a positive DRS (which, from my understanding, is compared to the average, like WAR). I think they needed to do more about pitching though. I’m not completely sold on Happ. Although in the regular season I am sure he will do fine, its the playoffs I am worried about. CC is still very good he just cant log in enough innings to be a real postseason threat. He can get you maybe 4 scoreless innings and then its on to the already taxed bullpen (due to Boones mis-management of the pen) to try and bail you out.
I agree with what you are saying 100% I do apologize if I inferred anything that seemed offensive to you or that felt offensive Not sure how since it seems I agree with what you are stating.
+rj
I mean, I just replied to another post of yours. Maybe that is what your mind is still on.
No need to apologize, though. I do not take offense to aggressiveness on the internet. The only thing that offends me here is poorly constructed arguments and flawed reasoning.
I am not sure where we differ in the Yankee strategies maybe you don’t agree but this was what I agreed or feel they need.
My opinion I like Manny Machado but feel Yankees would only want him at their price. I agree with their philosophy to further complicate things we have an outstanding young 3rd baseman Andujar who deserves a chance to improve his defense.
Agree Yankees need an additional starter I felt if they stretched anywhere or perhaps went further then their financial line in the sand on salary it would had been Patrick Corbin. despite it being an overpay.
Still feel even if they signed Corbin that Yankees should had signed Happ as well because you can never have enough good pitching
Now that everyone’s gone I think it may be a good idea to sign Gio Gonzalez to a 1 year deal simply for the purpose of being an end of the rotation innings eater and insurance for CC. Further they need to unload Gray because he will not work out in NY
I liked the LeMahuier signing as a Super Utility Player That Frazier goes to AAA as the first to be called up in case of an injury or extra bat needed in a series.
Would strongly support Yankees go one further to improve depth, versatility plus a left hand switch hitter sign Super Utility Marwin Gonzalez eliminate the need for 2 first base and 5 outfielders plus a decent bat
Feel the Yankees will have the opportunity to still sign an ace during the summer trade deadline by using their farm system Top 30 prospects to make a trade for available ace pitcher. That if possible they should do so.
Nolan Arenado > Manny Machado
I’ll puke if Arenado sign with the Yankees
Won’t happen. Cash only forks over overpriced short term deals to players like cc happ Gardy Dj etc.
I’m hoping that the Giants don’t trade mad bum to the Brewers because my prediction is the Yankees had him at the trade deadline for abrau and Heller
So I get a Twitter post from ARod showing a pic of him in Miami today showing his ring saying:
“Took my ring out of the vault for Sunday brunch today — Always brings back amazing memories. “Like“ if you watched the @yankees take the 2009 World Series ⚾️
Wonder who in Miami he was having Sunday Brunch that prompted him on to wear his ring?
Jeter?
Bosch, Jeter? I’d imagine, considering him and the “Dr” got Way back.
The Yankees are going to avoid paying Manny Machado from his ages 27~34 seasons and they acquired an injury-battered 34-year old SS and another one who’s hit 100 wRC+ only once in his career. The new Yankees way
The ROI on a player was never Machado. Harper would bring a nice return to the Yankees. I don’t mean just championships. On the business side of the business he will bring in more money than what they pay him on ticket sales( which leads to concessions), apparel. Ny will love him
Andujar is a DH. Deal with it 🙂
Oh I think a lot of Yankee fans are going to be pleasantly pleased as time goes. It will not be overnight and will take time. This kid has talent and is willing to work hard to improve. It’s all the right ingredients to success. We will see what’s what.
He plays third base to hense how everyone is talking about his defense
Regardless if you are pro sign Machado or anti Machado. I know the pro Machado fans are upset but at least put some thought into this.
Think about it this way the Yankees very likely had it in mind were going to choose one of Stanton Machado or Harper. Who wouldn’t want all 3 of course? We fans would all love it but it’s not likely. I would personally would love Yankees to have all 3 but that isn’t reality
Stanton opportunity unexpectedly & suddenly fell in Yankees lap last year. Yankees had to think rather quickly do we take the sure thing in hand or pass then wait for Machado or Harper? Since Stanton came with a discount + Machado or Harper wasn’t absolute sure thing or at what cost the Yankees gambled chose Stanton to win it all now in 2018
You can be upset with Yankees ownership and management it’s your right to do so but is it really a reasonable stance? I don’t know? Once again Yankees have blown past the luxury tax. The Yankees have to decide on Hicks Bestances or Gregorious Are they going to sign Manny then let these 3 go? Are the Yankees going to stand pat next year, and the year after on FA market? I don’t know how a team that has paid the Luxury Tax since it’s inception more then double any other MLB team while most teams have never paid it.
It’s likely only 3 of 30 MLB teams could claim their team claimed one of the big 3 of Stanton Machado or Harper. Cheapskates? What if you were a fan of the other 27 teams who will get none of them?
So don’t fault the Yankees or Hal completely. They want to win as badly likely worse then you. They did a good job on taking a team with an almost worthless barren farm system built it up. it takes years to do this but they did so successfully and reasonably quickly. They always tried to stay in it during the process.
Now they are the envy of a lot of MLB teams a young inexpensive core of. Severino, Judge Andujar Torres Sanchez Montgomery to lesser degree Frazier Bird Holder plus buy low high return Gregorious Hicks and Voit These were great accomplishments
It’s not like the Yankees are not in it. The Yankees have a chance to string a few WS Titles. Maybe it’s going to take some fine tuning yet but Yankees are real close if not it is possible they can win WS with what they have provided no injuries, the pitching holds out and every player does what they are supposed to do.
Yankees are not standing still they have been reasonably active to improve this winter. They may not be done yet. It’s OK to be disappointed. It’s OK to be angry but is your stance about the management reasonable?
Okay lets not wear rose colored glasses
Andujar age 22 149 games 47 2bs 27 hrs 92 rbis 297 ba
Machado age 22 162 games 30 2bs 35 hrs 86 rbis 286 ba Look I understand defensively he doesn’t compare but apples to apples in 13 more games Machado hit 8 more hrs but he also hit 17 fewer doubles 11 pts lower in average and had 6 less rbis. What colored glasses am I using now
Yes that is correct. Sure Manny is a great established third baseman while Andujar is still developing..
The media did not want to give ROY to another Yankee. Really Sanchez deserved it, Judge got it and Andujar surely deserved it. He was an iron man. First the media was ga ga over Ohtani that was their headline boy. When he faltered they quickly pivoted to Torres while pretty much ignoring Andujar. I was keeping a close eye on Andjuar for some time. He had a fantastic debut. He should had been used by Girardi for DH in the post season and he wasn’t. Another mistake.
Then came the Drury nightmare Many fans ran right over to Drury crowning him third base king with the we got our third baseman of the future …Trade Andujar for a pitcher they demanded, trade him for Fulmer they cried out trade him for DeGrom trade him for anybody LOL Once again Andujar quietly took over while Dizzy Drury well continued to be dizzy.
Then when Torres got injured faltered Andujar finally was getting noticed while he quietly professionally went about his business. Not flashy just continued to be solid. Did he deserve the ROY ..of course the MLB Players were not fooled they named him their ROY despite the slanted media who know way are we going to pick another Yankee over their anointed one.
Right now it’s sign Manny trade Andujar for Kluber..it will pass
Then it will be we got LeMahieu let him play 3rd or, trade Andujar put Torres at third LOL it will never end.
Me I will stick with Andujar. Many fans are going to know what’s what in the future with Andujar you know I know it…eventually the rest will catch up..then jump on the bandwagon that they were in Andujar camp the whole time while he is beating the MLB to a pulp with his bat while he continues to improve his defense… It’s only a matter of time but it is going to happen…watch see enjoy.
This whole Andujar talk is getting out of hand. Andujar cost his team 25 runs according to baseball reference and that the reason he didn’t win the ROY. He was historically bad defensively that’s why he didn’t win ROY.
Ohtani won ROY he was just better then Andujar. He was better offensively and he also pitched. It really wasn’t close.
Judge easily won the ROY had a historic rookie season and deserved the ROY.
Sanchez want rookie of the year because Fulmer was just more valuable that year. If Sanchez did his rookie thing this year he probably would of won but he did it 2016 when A rookie named Michael Fulmer won it and deserved it.
The bias against the Yankees had nothing to do with ROY. If anyone had reason to complain it was Tampa and Joey Wendle he was everybit the deserving candidate as Andujar.
I like Andujar seems like a good kid I’m sure he has great work ethic but the reality is no one as poor as he was defensively has remained at third. Maybe he will be the first I don’t know but the odds are against it. If he does turn out to become an average defensive third baseman I will eat crow but I highly doubt I will have too.
What would you like on your crow sandwich? That is because you’re going to eat plenty of it.. The media gave it to Ohtani because he was their pretty boy favorite before the season started. He was a DH who pitched. He never made it though the season, and he really took the Angels to the top didn’t he? A whopping 5th place under 500 finish is a weaker division then AL East.
Meanwhile Andujar was forced into playing this year the plan was for him to play one more year in the minors under Drury who flopped. Keep in mind the MLB Players choice ROY was Andujar they actually play the game. Media it’s a popularity contest. None of who ever picked up a baseball bat or ball nor played it on a professional level. Of course they know more then the MLB players
Offensively Andujar tore apart Ohtani numbers. Ohtani sat on the bench between innings. Andujar carried the Yankees because Judge broke his wrist and last I checked the Yankees won 100 Games were in the playoff’s mostly due to Andujar while Ohtani watched the games on TV
Suggest you keep cheering on the Angels as they continue into mediocreville until Trout leaves for a winner
Enjoy your crow sandwich
Seriously dude I said if Andujar improves to serviceable at third I would eat crow please read before responding.
Andujar didn’t deserve to win the ROY the only guy that could really make an argument was Wendle for Tampa and he finished fourth because of the market he plays in. The only reason that Andujar finished ahead of Wendle was because he is Yankee and Wendle is Ray.
Andujar cost his team 25 runs that is why he wasn’t the rookie of the year period end of story he was a terrible defender and that’s a fact.
If I’m willing to eat crow if Andujar becomes serviceable I want you to come on and eat crow when he doesn’t fair enough.
. Andujar won the player choice ROY that’s all that matters to me pencil dxxks writers mean nothing as I said their mind was made up before the season started it is so painfully obvious. It didn’t matter if Andujar had 50 home runs 150 RBI and hit .350 the writers would had still gave their pretty boy pegged before the season started.
I will not be eating crow but I will be glad to slap some horse radish on yours because you are going to be eating it.
Now If you like Joey Wendle so much go be one of their total of 10,000 fans in Florida or go be an Angels Fan and bow to Ohtani heaven knows the pathetic Angels could use some fans for that mediocre ball club that poor Mike Trout has to play for. until he escapes in free agency…he wants to be in WS and tires of losing. Bank on it he’s gone and Ohtani wanted small market because he knew he couldn’t take the media or fan pressure. Why he is an Angel another Sonny Gray
Dude you are hilarious just keep living in your own little private la la land.
There is one other deal involving Yankees with Sonny Gray that would be a huge plus for Yankees that would more then make up for no Manny or Harper.
Sonny Gray getting traded is all but certain soon. Reds are one of six teams after him. If I am Cashman I would be all in on demanding Scooter Gennett for a package headed by Sonny Gray. Gennetts gone after this year
I would take all of Gennetts 9.75 Million I would offer the Reds pay down as much as Reds want for Gray. If I had to I add Bird Cessa or reasonable choice of 2 Yankee Top 30’s
which ever interest them.
Yankees end up with LeMaheiu and Gennett. Gennett becomes the missing lefty bat besides 2nd base he plays 1B 3B Outfield No need for Bird or Frazier on the roster this year. I could see this as a win win for Reds and Yankees His hard hit rate is among the top in MLB and fit well in Yankee Stadium short porch
LeMahieu and Gennett is some pretty good medicine to take to make up for Yankees missing out on Manny or Harper.
If you want to keep this going any later perhaps you should go ask mother if it’s OK to stay on her computer so she doesn’t get upset with you.