The market for Manny Machado is by most accounts down to three teams, though perhaps it’s not too late for others to get involved. Interestingly, the Yankees are still the least aggressive of that group, according to Bob Nightengale of USA Today (Twitter links), who suggests that the New York powerhouse has not yet and may not ever put more than $200MM on the table for one of the game’s best players. Meanwhile, the White Sox have now made two intriguing acquisitions of players with close personal ties to Machado, with Jon Jay joining Yonder Alonso on the South Side. And the Phillies are reportedly lining up a second offer to present to Machado.
- Ken Davidoff of the New York Post looks further at the Yanks’ thus-far tepid pursuit of Machado, noting that the club hasn’t yet even made him a formal offer. Clearly, there’s a point at which the Bronx Bombers would be thrilled to land Machado, but there isn’t much indication at this point that the team is going to bid up a massive, long-term guarantee. Meanwhile, the club’s recent signing of veteran Troy Tulowitzki may have been an interesting development, but it likely won’t have any kind of impact on the possible pursuit of Machado. As Davidoff notes, Tulo is hardly a clear difference-maker at this stage of his career. And the veteran himself tells MLB.com’s Bryan Hoch (via Twitter) that he’d be thrilled to have Machado join him in New York.
- In years past, we might have been wondering whether the Tigers might be a surprise entrant to the Machado market. But the Detroit org is now deep in a rebuild, the timing of which is unclear. As Evan Woodbery of MLive.com writes, that’s by design. While the club has intentionally not put any dates on its anticipated return to competition, though, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have some in mind. As GM Al Avila has acknowledged, the club’s ledger will be clear of some hefty obligations after the 2020 season. In the meantime, there’s still quite a lot to be done to build a new competitive core.
- In other Tigers news, the club has added former MLB infielder Josh Wilson, albeit in a non-playing capacity. The 37-year-old is an eight-year big-league veteran who played his final season with the Detroit organization back in 2015. Wilson will begin his new career in the game in a scouting capacity. As Lynn Henning of the Detroit News covers, the club also announced a series of other staffing moves.
- The White Sox are hoping their own rebound will occur much more quickly than that of their division rivals. Accordingly, the team is not only pursuing Machado but continues to hunt for quality veteran pieces to plug into its roster. Before agreeing to sign Kelvin Herrera yesterday, the Sox “were among the finalists” to ink fellow hard-throwing, right-handed reliever Joe Kelly, according to Rob Bradford of WEEI.com (via Twitter). Kelly, of course, landed with the Dodgers for three years and $25MM. Clearly, the White Sox have knocked down quite a few doors this winter. It’ll be fascinating to see what other players they end up adding to the MLB roster.
I hate Hal Steinbrenner so much. Looks like we are going to turn into mediocre!
How many times have those Siblings made George roll over in his grave. No one like him
Both you and @jkeithheseup and @gotothevideotape are both entitled to your options. Unfortunately, you’re both loony.
As a Yanks fan, how can either of you look back at the G. Steinbrenner and think that any time after 1980 were the “good ole days”.
The Yanks had ZERO championships and very little to look fwd to under his direction from 1982 until he was suspended in the early 90s and Gene Michael and Cashman oversaw the franchize. They stopped trading away rookie prospects for aging vets, built a core and then supplemented.
I want Harper but if it doesn’t happen it’s more likely because the contract demands were too much probably in terms of length and not aav.
This team won 100 games and the only way this team turns into mediocre is if half the team simply forgets how to play. This current team was built to be successful for the next 4-5 years due to the young core they built. Relax…..
And no one is talking about trading any young core for Machado or Harper, they are free agents. They have the core, now you add with money. George was more willing to spend money than Hal, that’s what Yankee fans miss, No one said George was perfect but he did supply money.
That’s not entirely true about the 80’s. They had interesting teams with Winfield, Mattingly and Henderson. The problem was they couldn’t put together a rotation good enough to get to the post season after 1980.
The Yanks of the 80’s won the most regular season games of any franchise. By the end, the team was a mess and Dallas Green was the nadir.
If there was the Wild Card during the 80’s, the Yanks would have been in it it 85&86, at least.
George definitely was at his most impatient and craziest near the end of the decade, and I was relieved he was suspended.
That said, I never doubted his desire to bring the best players to NY, even if his judgement and patience made those decisions questionable.
IDK how not signing Manny is an issue. Andujar is an all star level player, and the only real issue with this team besides the fact that there’s too much swing and miss in the lineup, is the starting pitching.
Getting Manny and trading Andujar does nothing to help the swing and miss part, and there weren’t any can’t miss starters in the FA market.
They traded for a potential ace in Paxton, and signed a very good Haap. They also avoided a potential disaster in signing Corbin.
I wish there was a better option, cuz I’d love a Verlander type player to drop in their lap, but I don’t see that player out there, to sign or even trade for that makes sense.
They have arguably the worst defensive infield in mlb. Their current “shortstop” hasn’t played a major league game in a season and 1/2, and they just signed a late inning reliever who relies on ground balls to get outs.
Andujar was the worst defensive 3b in mlb last season. Machado is among the best, and the Dodgers got 1.2 WAR from him at short in less than 1/2 season thanks to helping him with his positioning.
You still don’t see an issue?
It may come across as nitpicking but the franchise turned around under Stick and Watson; Cashman “inherited” a fading franchise that still hadn’t completely purged itself of the “Spend Spend Spend Virus” … see 2009 when they pursued CC openly, then cornholed Boston by signing Texieria
Not a bash on Cashman at all; just giving Watson his props
Bumgartner is available.
I agree with the Harper want- His lefty bat in Yankee Stadium would be deadly.. I am still perplexed that they resigned gardy. they should trade Hicks and play Harper in CF keeping Andujar at third to develop into the allstar he could be,.
No, Tulo will be fine defensively- Andujar will mature and learn the position. he is a hard worker
Wrong, Rafael Devers and Matt Chapman were much worse at 3B in all of baseball. People need to start looking at stats then regurgitating what they see. Devers had 24 errors with Chapman having 20, I don’t see anyone putting them in a fire pit.
byrnebabybyrne;
… AND, he loved those calzones.
@ Horace
If strikeouts dont matter for hitters, why should they matter to pitchers.. Take the out and dont complain that it was from a weak ground ball.
Well, strikeouts for pitchers mean the ball isn’t put in play, and once a ball is put in play anything can happen. Strikeouts are the best outcome for a pitcher and one of the worst outcomes for a hitter (the worst outcome for a hitter is grounding into a double play or, I suppose, a triple play, although those are pretty rare).
matt chapman won a gold glove, fielding bible, and platinum glove this past season. i’m guessing your the type of guy who evaluates pitchers on wins and all hitters on batting average,
Seriously? Maybe you should take your own advice.
Chapman had a better fielding percentage by 10 points.
He had far more chances, his range and runs saved blew Andujar out of the water.
Devers had a worse FP, but has far better range.
Devers is a wash, but Chapman is head and shoulders better.
Machado is a superstar there is no doubt. Still see an issue. Yankees have a potential all star at 3b who is only going to improve. The Yankees have an all star SS who is hurt
Machado is very very good 3b but so so defense SS
Getting Machado which is great we all get it, but it creates more issues. One the luxury cap which we as fans could care less about the money but the Yankees do meaning they would have to cut back on any other area of team needs in order to afford Machado
This means no left hand depth pretty much other problems are going to show but all their eggs dumped in one basket Machado so we rely on Bird Gardner Wade for left handed power and subs which isn’t good
Fielding Percentage is a misleading stat. The record for third base FP is held by Kevin Kouzmanoff. He was a statue at third; couldn’t get to anything hit to his left at all. But hey, he fielded all those grounders hit right to him!
You’re acting as if Benny Hill’s theme music is playing when the Yanks infield is making plays. They can make routine plays. Britton’s GB value is that he doesn’t allow many homers.
HORACE, an awesome post back to the posters who say we are all entitled to our opinions, but then comes the nasty attitude in them, the rudeness and the long essays we don’t waste our time reading
Horace speaking as a woman, you are my Hero.
Britton will pitch around 65 innings out of like 1500 innings played in the season, you’re really worried about the infield defense because they will have a ground ball pitcher on the mound 4% of the time?
I agree. If we sign Machado for SS and move him to 3B when Didi returns we then put Anduar at 1B, a position he doesn’t play. Is Machado worth moving Anduar out of position and cutting Voit &/or Bird.
Why would you trade a great center fielder for someone who is a poor center fielder? Hicks is Gold Glove caliber and has a cannon for an arm. Harper is a corner outfielder who is mediocre defensively. That would be a huge downgrade defensively.
My comment was regarding signing Manny and trading Andujar.
If they don’t sign Manny I’m sure they’ll sign one of the more popular utility guys like Harris. Tulo and Torres don’t concern me at all defensively. Just automatically saying Andujar won’t improve is nieve, and we’re not sure who will win out at first. Seeing Bird is a plus defender at first, if he wins out in spring first will be fine.
They didn’t rank last in infield defense, so the exaggeration to make a point just makes you sound more wrong.
The Red Sux had hot garbage at first and third defensively for much of the playoffs, so no, infield defense isn’t high on my list of things to fix. The swing and miss in the lineup is.
@sss847
You’re right I should’ve looked more closely at their stats. Devers was still terrible yet put no where in the same category as Andujar. And instead of assuming I’m all about wins and batting average why not just ask. I’m more than capable of having a proper conversation with ya.
Actually, Michael and Watson built the championship teams and Cashman added to it. Cashman, however, has been somewhat less successful but willing to spend. Yankees still an excellent franchise, but not the best for a while.
How can you say Corbin is a gamble and Paxton is a potential ace?
Your level of ignorance is staggering. Chapman is not even in the same conversation as Devers and then there’s fifty feet of crap and then somewhere you’ll find Andujar on defense.
Latter part of the 80’s were some of the collusion years and georgie was in on it also. Why keep THE Joel skinner as a ctcher when Producing richie gedman was a FA? George bought anybody he wanted. it was collusion and several seasons during the latter part of the 80’s were part of the payoff to the MLBPA, not going to look up the exact details, but feel free to.
SBB is always long on opinions and generally short on facts in his rants, also left out prior to 82 when the Yanks were STILL trading off the farm system and buying up many top FA, only several 100W seasons. it didn’t fit the narrow narrative provided tho…
Some of us here will be more than glad to point it out (and the flaws) when that poster goes too far off the rails.
Right on Southbeach. I could field a whole team of good players that the Yankees traded away for garbage. Here are the highlights…
Jay Buehner OF
Otis Nixon OF
Fred McGriff 1B
Doug Drabek P
Shall I continue ?
Also, in the 00’s, we spent a fortune and got old and overpriced and only won once.
I’m giving Hal a shot, let’s try something new…
I don’t want to be Boston, they can’t afford a lottery ticket without getting over the $245mm. They are primed to repeat, but it’s WS or bust. They can’t pay Betts, Sale, Bogaerts, JBJ and others in 20 and 21 while paying Price $30mm and are finally getting past Fat Panda.
Is that the Yankees team you want ?
Cashman “inherited” a team that had won a WS in 96 and won 97 games in 97’. Cashman took over in 98 and the Yankees won 114 games and went 11-1 in the playoffs. Their 125 total wins is the all-time record. They followed that with 2 more championships, and then 2 pennants in next 3 years. Hardly a fading franchise.
jkeith…;
“I hate Hal Steinbrenner so much.”
‘Hate’ is a a bit strong, don’t you think?
Never mind that it comes up within the first six letters of Hal’s name.
“Interesting team” isn’t a championship team. They were crap before Cashman and Michaels took the reins from G. Steinbrenner.
the yankees led mlb in wins in the 1980’s.
Corbin was a gamble at 6 years and $140 million. Paxton is still in his arbitration years, and from what I hear will make about $12 million this year. He also only cost the Yankees prospects to get.
The gamble with Corbin is giving a guy that has had exactly 1 great year ,AND an injury history, a 6 year commitment at that dollar amount. Paxton’s issue is health, and if he gets hurt you are only committed to him for 2 years total at cheap dollars.
Paxton is a health risk… he cost you prospects and tens of millions of dollars.
If the game were “the team that saves the most on payroll”, the rays and Marlins would be playing in the World Series.
Typical spoiled Yankee fans! Want/expect an All Star at every position ! $200-220 million payroll should be more than adequate! Stop whining and enjoy/embrace all the young home grown players they now have!
The Yankees don’t have a 200-220 million dollar payroll but good point
Their payroll is at 208 right now. But nice try
They are currently over the $206 luxury tax threshold.
Actually they are at $207 in tax revenue projections so yes they do have a $200 million dollar payroll.
Prove that number. I see nowhere where there payroll is listed nearly that high
Go do your own research. It’s called Cots baseball and they range payrolls.
Yanks made 619 million in revenue last year, they don’t care about the cap it was reset last year. I wouldn’t be surprised if they went to 235 this year. Yanks have already upgraded the team a lot so far this winter.
Where are you seeing that number? I can not verify.
yanks02026 – I went to Cots, they are not showing the 2019 payroll. What they do show includes Tulo’s $14 million, which the Yankees are not paying. If you make a monetary statement, and someone says back it up with facts, the response is not you do the work. You made the statement, so show it.
Nope.. If you look at the bottom of the spreadsheet, they have the minus $19,445,000 of his contract that is being paid by the jays
It’s the 40 man number contained in Cots projections including a $56 million dollar projection in salaries for arbitration eligible players.
If you check their tracker, it’s there. They have Didi at $13 million, which might be a bit high. It would be a $5 million increase on 2018. Also, it accounts for 8.75 million to Gray that may not be on the books if they deal him for prospects. But otherwise, it seems pretty accurate to me.
Thanks for the response. I can’t find it but I believe.you But even with that if they trade Gray which they will and don’t make other moves still under 200 million I thought they were in 190s just not 200-220
Umm, you remember Dave Winfield, right? Knowing that story and somehow still holding up George Steinbrenner as anything but an immoral jerk is a special kind of cognitive dissonance.
George was a jerk but he is exactly the Owner you would want for your franchise he cared about winning.. I would take him over any of the Mets owners since the 60’s.. Sure he was a blowhard and a jerk but he got things accomplished.
He also hired a gambler/mafia guy to blackmail one of his own Hall of Fame players so he could get out of paying that player. That’s unconscionable.
Maybe you would had enjoyed CBS ownership prior to George oh you would had loved it Charlie Smith Horace Clark over the hills players and minors except Murcer and White who could play the game of baseball
I would take George any day who actually cared about the franchise with is blood and guts. He made mistakes of course but he helped turn the Yankees into a winner for many years.
Go try a prim proper CBS franchise for a while see how you enjoy losing as the laugh of the MLB you would sing a different tune
The mere fact that any Yankee fan has the audacity to cry about being “mediocre,” is absolutely absurd. Get a clue. You are not entitled to yearly trips to the postseason. Its not owed to you that the team spends how you want and builds how you want. Grow up.
Ridiculous. Hal Steinbrenner and Brian Cashman have done an amazing job, post George. If you want to go back to the money wasting days, keep in mind that likely means we would not have Judge, Severino, etc. They all would have been traded just to try and prop up a decaying and over priced bunch of free agents.
Long live the Hal and Cashman regime! 🙂
This. Ridiculous that people are going crazy over not signing Machado. Really? Because the Yankees need another home run hitter? Never mind that Stanton hit 38 home runs and carried the team when Judge was out in only his first year in the AL—first in the AL East. Never mind that 1B is arguably a much bigger need to fill in the infield. Never mind that a pure contact hitter is what the offense actually needs. Never mind that the rotation could use another pitcher more than a position player. Never mind that the Yankees made several trades and called up multiple players and STILL have a top 10 farm system.
No, lets forget all of those facts and only cry like b$&$@- because we didn’t give a 3B $35M/yr.
Agreed .. Yankees offense is good enough… the reason they’ve failed the last couple years is because they can’t compete with teams with better SP.. hopefully this is realized by the front office rand they’re planning on making a move and keeping payroll available for a true ace .. their entire staff is made up of question mark after question mark
Yanks have Voit. If you don’t see a need to bring in Manny (and I agree we don’t need to) then even less of a reason to bring in a full-time 1B. The only position I think that we should look to address is getting a left-handed bat in the lineup and an opening exists in LF (ahem…Harper or Markakis). Other than, a glove first option at SS to back up Tulo should he go down before Didi returns.
Machado beings so much more than HR’s.
He’s arguably the best defensive 3b in the league, he doesn’t strike out excessively (something the Yanks could use help with) and he’s just entering his prime years..
With some positioning help like the Dodgers gave him, he could be an above average shortstop as well.
The Yanks infield defense is atrocious. He solves alot of the problems for the Yanks.
Stanton gets a few hits in the ALDS and the Sox aren’t World Champs.
There is more than one way to win. Maybe adding an elite, two way player who is available, would put them over the top?
Proof??
@ Horace;
3B is the least important infield position.
Machado is not a good ML SS, Didi runs rings around him; and if Tulo’s D is 80% of what it was in his prime, he’ll run circles around him as well.
1B is not really an issue- Voit showed promise and I still believe Bird when healthy will be a dynamic force in someone’s lineup.
Oh he will go down. Count on that. I figure getting out of his car at first spring training
The least important infield position is first base. Literally 150 years of major league history point this out. I know you always assert this and it’s funny but literally nobody who’s ever been involved in playing the game or watching the game agrees with you at all, and there is a mountain of data that would disagree strongly with you. I know arguing with facts or data is what you like to do, but this is a silly argument.
SS can be easily covered by Gleyber if Tulo goes down with a bunch of Second base options available.
And the other point about Machado at third is that the Yankees won 100 games last year with, literally, one of the worst defensive seasons ever turned in by a full-time third baseman. Machado’s defense at third would give them an easy two-three more wins and he is a better hitter than Andujar, although Andujar is a pretty good hitter. I don’t think the Yankees need Machado to win and I can’t see them trying to shoehorn in another 300 million+ contract even though they basically print money in the Bronx. It would seem to be a better option to deal away some surplus and go after Bumgarner since the FA market for pitching is relatively weak.
Manny helps the IF defense if he’s placed at third—not what he’s seeking.
Yanks want to avoid another A-Rod contract situation; ironically Manny’s idol. In the end the Yanks will be the Yanks and spend big.
David you are an idiot. You’ve posted hundreds of times and not once have you been even close to accurate. xabial takes a lot of undeserved crap, why you get away with you’re uninformed trash, and he gets bashed is beyond me. Do some damned research or quit making stuff up. Nobody wants to hear your opinions
Explain, please. I’ve probably made some bad posts here and there but the argument that third base is an easier position than first base isn’t supported by literally any source anyone can find, or any data, or anyone who has ever played the game.
Samuel,
Didi may not even play in 2019, or he could play poorly after recovery.
Tulo may not make it out of Spring Training, he’s 34 and no guarantee to give you anything.
Machado is by far the best option come opening day 2019.
His play with the Dodgers at short proved he was good defensively.
3b is not the least important infield position.
1b is with a WAR positional ranking of -10.
3b has a +2, 2nd is +3, ss is +7.5.
Samuel;
Least important inf pos?
Then I guess it’s called the hot corner for being nearest the 3B dugout salamanders.
Yes, third base is the least important infield position; that’s why teams always put their worst defender at third, right? I mean, David Ortiz played first base. Dick Stuart played first base. There is literally not one bit of evidence that would argue that first base is a harder position to play. Anecdotal or otherwise.
You have this personal agenda when it comes to Andujar that borders on psychopathic. It’s been pointed out to you several times that Adrian Beltre was equally as bad on defense as a rookie and yet with time and effort he became a gold glover. I’m not even a Yankee fan And I know this. Why you refuse to do any research and educate yourself is a definite sign that you have an agenda.
Why you hate a guy so passionately who you don’t even know is beyond sense. You’re ignorant and despicable. go hate on someone else. I sincerely hope you are not a met fan. Because if that is the reason you hate on Andujar, as I suspect it might be, then I would hate to have you as a fan of the team I root for.
What kind of research am I supposed to do in future things that may or may not happen? That’s not research; that’s speculation. Maybe Andujar improves, maybe he doesn’t. Good coaching doesn’t automatically lead to good outcomes. I like Andujar’s bat a lot. I just know that the average grounder hit to third base in 2018 resulted in a .247 batting average. Against the Yankees ut was 328.
And no, I’m not a Mets fan. I like the Yankees a lot more than the Mets.
Stanton has so many holes in his swing , he is easy out for good control pitchers. He will suck a long time, he only hits pitchers with bad control or miss there spot.
I’ve heard that argument often but don’t know if facts bear that out. Sale is a stud with 2.11 era but other than that last years Sox starters were Porcello 4.28 era Price 3.50 era Rodriguez 3.82 era Johnson 4.17 Pomeranz 6.08 era.. and Eovaldi for a short time with 3.33 era The Yankees had Severino 339 era Tanaka 379 era CC 365 era Montgomery for a short time 362 era Happ for a short time 266 era Gray 490 era and German 557 era. The total staff eras had the Sox .02 better. while I’m not sure why the Sox won so many more games it could be the Red Sox were better in winning close games maybe because they scored 17 more runs and perhaps they were clutcher
Agreed by all the fans, but the Yankees do not seem to convinced they want him there. Not sure why as that is his natural position.
yep, after 25 cons. winning seasons the yanks going “mediocre”because the refuse to break the bank on a selfish player, who might ruin team chemistry.
damn 100 win teams are always mediocre
Yes, 100 not much when there are so many bad teams in American league.
Handing out those big long term deals is what got you Jacoby Ellsbury.
Which was a rash reaction to the Redsox winning the WS- it was a stupid signing. Face it though the Yankees can absorb those mistakes without missing a beat.
Agreed … plus they (probably) thought they could catch lightening in a bottle again like they did with Damon
Yeah he had his share of DL visits but he came through more often than not
Without missing a beat? Not always.
If it hadn’t been for that reactionary signing they’d have instead gotten Scherzer the following year. Instead, they didn’t have the resources to go hard after him the very next year.
Just competitive enough so fans (revenue) don’t leave.
I’m a Red Sox fan, and I have to make two observations here…
1) The Yakees scare the hell out of me this year, with or without Machado or Harper
2) They won 100 games last season. That’s not mediocre
I think the Yankees have improved more than the Sox have this offseason, so far. 2019 promises to be one heck of a season (much like 2018 was). I honestly don’t think that because the Yankees maybe might possibly could be exercising caution about throwing around hundreds of millions of dollars signifies a slide into mediocrity.
Excellent comment
… but your rotation is The Great Equalizer
ijs … credit where it’s due
Certainly my greatest hope for 2019!
I liked your comment- but i must mention you did win 100 games last season- The Yankees ( my second favorite team) are still going to be a strong power in the division and the American League. Are they good enough to be a WS winner?
Manny is overrated, in LA under the big lights with 47,000 in the crowd every night. We saw him dog it, almost never get a hit in the clutch & pad his mediocre stats late in games where the outcome was a foregone conclusion. His defense is outstanding, but what I saw was a .260 hitter with 25-30 homers, not worthy of 30-35 million dollars a year. Yankee fans hope some other desperate organizations makes the Machado mistake.
Manny Machado batted 297/367/538 last season. He hit 37 homers and stole 14 bases in 16 tries. He drove in 107 runs, if RBIs are your thing. As far as “clutch” stats, you are just wrong. In high leverage situations he hit 312/420/505. In late and close situations (within 1 run) he hit 309/419/474. In tie games he hit 302/379/534. In fact, the only situation in which his stats were worse is when his team was comfortably ahead; in those situations he hit 257/319/439. He was lights-out in every possible “clutch” situation in 2018.
DAMN! Why you gotta use facts and stats? they show nothing – said no intelligent person ever.
You obviously were asleep when the Dodger games were on, while I don’t blame you with the games starting at 10:10 est. Manny was a failure offensively in a dodger uniform, when he was playing on that minor league team in Baltimore he was a different player. I saw every AB he had as a Dodger last season, he was a major disappointment. He was 15 for 68 with 3 home runs in the playoffs, his biggest hit was a bunt in game 7 vs the Brewers
Stats don’t lie; in the regular season he was very good in the clutch; in the postseason he was 15 for 68 with 3 home runs, yes; that’s a tiny sample size compared to his work in the regular season.
Manny Machado as a Dodger: 273/338/487. 122 OPS+.. He was tremendous in the NLCS and had a bad world series. Derek Jeter had some bad World Series’ too; it’s such a tiny sample size that I wouldn’t lose too much sleep over it. The greatest postseason pitcher in history, Mariano Rivera,blew a world series game 7 once and had another pretty famous loss in the postseason.
You’re correct the numbers don’t lie. in a large sample size of 296 PA he was 273/338/487 & his ops dropped .138 & ops+ dropped 42 from his production in Baltimore. look up the numbers, that’s Yasiel Puigish, if you want to pay a guy 35 million a year for that production you wouldn’t be wise. BTW the Dodgers got rid of Puig as soon as they found a taker & he’ll make 11-12 million.
renea…;
My nomination for Merriam Webster’s new words of 2019:
’Puigish’
But how would you use it in a sentence?
Yeah, moving to a new team, in a pitcher’s park, facing a new batch of pitchers; his numbers were bound to go down. Many years ago someone (Pete Palmer maybe?) studied position players and pitchers who switched leagues midseason, and he found the pitchers tended to pitch better and the hitters worse. Machado is 25 and had, overall, an absolutely fantastic year in 2018 at the plate, most of which he spent in the tougher league, but hitting against pitchers he and his team were more familiar with.
(And Puig’s salary is irrelevant, as he isn’t a free agent)
100 wins is bad now?
You do realize that the 4 WS in the 90’s and 00’s were because of the team they built and not because of buying stars correct? When they started buying starts (Mussina, Gianni, etc) they stopped winning WS. So why do you want them to buy all of these high priced FAs?
Disagree. Yanks are true contenders and not just regular season good, for the first time in a long time. The reason is they got true young talent again and not just buying up the highest priced FAs, which just rarley works. You want a young nucleus of top talent, and some FAs that fit nicely.
For instance, in the 90s, they had the core4, and of course signed wade Boggs, Jimmy Key, trade for Tino..etc
They got away from that in the early 2000s, and it’s given 1 title in quite awhile. Shoot, they were bottoming out , before the youth movement.
I got more faith in natural progression of Muggy, Gleyber, Sevy…etc, along with the other core young guys, then I do resorting back into signing everyone on the market and ending up underacheiving.
He’s actually doing the right thing
Wait you live in a city with Dolan WoodyJohnson and the Wilpons and you choose to hate Hal Steinbrenner .Very strange
Taking Nightengale or Davidoff reports as fact is a dangerous game to play.
I’ve thought all along they were going to flirt with Machado, let him go wherever, say “we tried”, and then swoop in and sign Harper.
Stories like this make me confident in that feeling.
Maybe. Not sure why the Yankees would want Harper though. He’s very very good, but he’s not close to 300+ million good.
.249 hitter? Up and down over the last few years. No thanks. Not at the price he’s likely to get, and not when the NYY outfield is stacked already.
Batting average? The guy had a .889 OPS, 30+ hrs and 130 walks in a BAD year. I won’t argue what his contract should be but he is an elite hitter. I was critical of him before but I can’t deny his career OPS of .900. If he were to retire right now his career OPS would rank him top 50 of all hitters in the last 80 years. And that would be a head of a lot of great Hall of Famers and not far behind Griffey JR (.907) and Mike Schmidt (.908). Add to it that he’s only 26 and it makes him more enticing.
Harper is exactly the player the Yankees should be coveting. left bat in Yankee stadium? Deadly. Yankees might be a bit gun shy after Tex- he had very strong numbers too but the lure of the short porch fundamentally changed his approach.. Harper has and can play an adequate CF and the Yankees could trade Hicks for a pitcher..
3 of the last 5 years he is a weak starter level WAR
Harper strikes out a ton and hits for a low avg. Sure he walks and hits homers, but dosen mean you just forget tons of Ks and a pathetic BA. We’re talking 300mill plus for petesake
Except Harper doesn’t strike out a ton… He has a K% over 20.1 in only 2 out of his 7 years in the league – Stanton has only been under 26.6% once in his 9 years. Harper has a career slash line of .279/.388/.512 for a .382 wOBA. Stanton has a career slash line of .268/.358/..567 for a .381 wOBA. If anyone strikes out a ton and hits for a low average while taking (some) walks and hitting home runs, it’s Stanton. If Stanton was worth $300+M, Harper is as well. If you think Stanton is overpaid, then Harper likely will be as well, but that’s only because Stanton set the market for him.
He was the 17th best hitter in the majors last season. Ignore the batting average. The difference between batting 250 and 280 is 18 singles in a year. Look at the power and the walks. The injury part is somewhat concerning, and the defense was an odd outlier- he’s usually been an above-average defender; some of his bad defensive numbers stem from the Nats playing him for 40 games in center.
Look at the WAR
I’ll take an extra 18 hits over 18 walks. I’ll take any kind of 18 hits over 18 walks.
Sure. But hits are luckier than walks; drawing walks is more of a skill, and one that tends to age well
Nah. An Adam Warren signing is much more likely.
First they said Harper was going to play first base for the Yankees. Then they said DeGrom for Andujar was in the works. Then they said Yankees and Marlins are discussing a Gary Sanchez for Realmuto trade. Then they said Machado to the Yankees was going to happen soon
IT’S like watching a TV soap, As The Stomach Turns
videotape;
More like, … Dark Shadows.
lolol, good one CAN
Who is “they”? Please keep that in mind when you complain or laugh about such stories.
They were all rumors posted in articles on this site, isn’t that good enough?
No, because… what’s his point? That we shouldn’t take rumors as fact? Who would have thought! SMDH
Harper probably could learn first base. I mean he played catcher in junior college, but with an arm like that would you want someone like that at first ?
Yeah, I think his athleticism and arm would be wasted at first. He was a catcher when he was drafted and the reason the Nats moved him off the position was simply because catchers get hurt and the bat was so far ahead of the glove.
Please check to see what site you’re on here. In case you need a refresher, the dictionary defines “rumor” as “a currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth.”
Hubcap;
Thank you, Merriam Webster.
Yes, but sometimes it gets silly.
It’s not shocking to see back to cback pueces contradicting each other.
Seriously, take 15 extra minutes and roll it into one story
Harper to first was a Yankee fan pipe dream nothing more
DeGrom for Andujar? the Mets made it clear the discussion for Degrom would begin with Gleyber. – As a Mets fan that would convert me to a full time Yankee fan – Degrom would win 25 games easily with that offense.
Cashman stated Sanchez was not on the trade market- once again a disgruntled Yankee fan started a rumor
Machado- not a needed piece whatsoever- Andukar will learn to play a decent 3B
Harper should be the Yankees target- Lefty bat, strong OPS- Drop him in left benching Gardy or in center where he has played before- trading Hicks
Free agents come to NY. NY doesn’t come to free agents. Take the NY contract and get in on the parades.
Nice try at trolling.
Ha, that’s funny
The Yankees don’t host/throw the Thanksgiving Day parade….that would be Sears
Actually, it’s Macy’s.
Sears is done? Maybe the Yankees are going to step up?
AM17;
Eventually it’ll be the Walmart Thanksgiving Day Parade.
lowtalker;
But I don’t WANT to be a Pirate!
Let’s face it Yankees fans, if the Yanks wanted Manny and Corbin, the would have been there already in a heartbeat. Simple….
That’s exactly what happened with Cliff Lee a few years ago. Oh wait, nevermind.
The difference is they made Cliff Lee a huge offer and made a very public effort to acquire him. I’d say the Yankees wanted both of those players, but are not willing to lay out the same kinds of deals that have hamstrung them the past decade.
Also think the publicity of the Lee pursuit was more because of the way his family was treated by the bag egg division of New York fans.
EDIT
THEY
Hmm
Off topic but I finally realized that the owner of the White Sox is the same as the bulls. No wonder michael Jordan got his shot in the Sox system
it only took you 20 years to realize this?
Never paid attention. There is something about the White Sox I could never stand so I block them out
I believe the medical term is “Hawk” lol
lowtalker;
MJ didn’t want to be a Pirate either.
I don’t blame him.
people should hope the yankees sign machado, because if they miss on him, yankees fans will be more annoying than ever. look at how bad they are right now about a nonconfirmed report
The Yankees won’t sign him
Before his antics in the playoffs I’m sure they were all in on him almost as much as the Phillies, but since then I believe they took a giant step back.
If da Yankees were turned off by his “antics” they would not be excusing his actions in public statements, sucking up to him in public statements, and pursuing him.
A 5 year contract is a risk, and in truth they should not go much above $120m.
The Yankees were well aware of Manny’s play and character before the 2018 playoffs. He was in their division for 6 years.
I forget … when was the last Yankees World Series parade? Was it 10 years ago? How about those Amazin’ Mets? I vaguely recall 1986 … you’re right, Judge Judy. Take the NY contract and get in on the parades. LOL
THEY”RE SIGNING JUDGE JUDY???????? Is that why she’s retiring?
bobtillman;
But she has an opt-out.
The Mets have been to quite a few World Series with a couple titles. Don’t get greedy. The mariners and the nats haven’t even been
Explain quite a few. They’ve been around 56 years what number do you believe represents quite a few.To me five is not that answer
2 and 3
That’s fair enough
There are teams out there that haven’t won anything nor have them been there
Get over it
Mets won’t do nothing this year and they will end up selling pieces at the deadline
Yep! #27 was 10 years ago
Twenty Seven
Your point was well stated & effective
Sign him and Move him to first …Go Yanks!!!!
Yankees get both. Machado 200M — Harper 210M
Cashman is the man.
Loved the Reinsdorf having Machado sit in his box for the Bears v Eagles playoff game story was debunked, but of course no one here has commented on it.
Many people did.
Stupidity
Xabial you know I don’t dislike or rank in you like some others. So come on buddy. Even you don’t really believe that. So why write it….. All it does is cause you grief
For 5 years I’d dig it
it sure would be something if the Sox pulled of a signing of Manny and/or Bryce. As a fan of the “other” Sox I would feel great for them if they can step out of that little brother role in Chicago and get back to those 90’s Sox that were just so frustrating to play! Hated when Boston would play them back then
Los Cal…;
In ‘99 Pedro went 23-4.
If memory serves, two of those losses came against CWS.
WhiteSox need to just move to Indiana .Chi town residents don’t even attended games
Timewalk;
And why do you think that is?
IMO, it’s because CWS fans love The Game even more than their favorite team. They won’t flock in support of bad baseball.
By way of contrast, consider the team a few miles to the north of CWS. Their fans are drawn to Wrigley like the Eloi are drawn to the Morlock cave when the sirens blare.
I’ve been saying all along, send them to Gary, Indiana
I love it…the guy hasn’t even made his decision yet, and yet NYY fans are all too eager to call the guy selfish, not that good, etc. And then when he eventually signs with them, they’ll pretend they never said any of these things.
Like to see the mets steal Machado at the last possible moment from the Spankees, Sox and Phillies but that’s not going to happen. At least is nice to dream, Especially, since we you have the worse owners (Wilpons) in baseball. that are cheap and clueless!! It’s going to be a long summer again!
Dallas;
“At least it’s nice to dream…”
… and it costs less than a lottery ticket.
Well, George certainly did not hesitate to open the check book and contracted best players on his day. However, in all fairness to his children, he did not have that thing called luxury tax nor he had to built his own stadium. Time changes everything, I think the Steinbrenners are doing very well these days.
George actually had both, plus Revenue Sharing which is even more of a disadvantage to the Yanks.
George was the guy who hired Levine and started the process to build YSIII.
Don’t think having one player influence multiple roster decisions is a smart precedent for the Sox..
“…….on the table for one of the game’s best players…….”
Cut it out…..
He’s not a “superstar”. Not one of the 10 best, or 20 best, or 30 best, or…….
Posters here from LA write the same thing friends of mine in LA that watched him play this year told me – he’s a nice player, sometimes is indifferent about playing, and what’s all the hysterical hubbub about.
He’s 26 and has put up more than 6 fWAR in 2 of his last 3 seasons. Including while playing out of position last year.
@ pplama;
Yes, like Harper he’s great to have on your fantasy league team.
But if we’re talking about being a linchpin in helping a major league team win on the field……
And by the way – NY fans went bonkers when the Knicks acquired Carmelo Anthony. What elite statistics he had! They paid him as a superstar, talked him up, catered to him, the NY media made him a staple on the back pages…..and the Knicks won nothing. With A-Rod’s mentoring, Manny will be the next soap opera king in the NY media. It’s all about selling his brand!
You associate fWAR with fantasy baseball?
Anthony was a very good basketball player.That being said the Knicks surrounded him with garbage. Only a player like Lebron can carry a team by themselves. If Anthony had been surrounded by good players in NY the results would’ve been very different.I’m not a Knicks fan but blaming the lack of success of the Knicks on Anthony is misguided Also actually the NY media attacked Anthony constantly so I really don’t understand what you’re talking about.They said the same things about Anthony that you did
Are you the same person who said Goldschmidt isn’t a superstar?
No. This is the first comment I’ll make about Goldschmidt……..
Over the next 5 years I would rather have him then Manny. Not close.
He excels at a more important defensive position. Comes to play every day. A team leader by example. Doesn’t need to be catered to. A serious run producer that changes the opposing teams approach in pitching to almost all of the line-up. Influences a game in ways Manny has never done, and will never do.
You think 1B is a more important defensive position than 3B?
@ pplama;
Of course…..
A 1B fields hot shots, bunts, and toppers as a 3B does.
He saves bad throws from infielders. He holds runners on and has to save errant pick-off throws. He is a cut-off man on balls hit to the RF corner in which a runner is trying for home. He is the cut-off man in front of the mound on throws from LF-Center, CF, and RF-Center where a runner is trying to score (the pitcher backs up home plate).
The 3B only covers 3B and if there is no runner trying to get there, he’ll back up the SS if he gets a bad throw from the LF or CF with a runner heading home.
Lots of teams hide hitters that can’t field @ 1B. Good baseball teams do not.
First base is so important that that’s where people go when they can’t field .Think Cabrera as he aged Jose Martinez Big Papi played there before he dh’d. Mickey Mantle in the old days Murphy moved there. How can you believe first base a more important position then any other position on the fielld
“How can you believe first base a more important position then any other position on the fielld”
1. Please show me where I wrote that.
2. I don’t care where teams moved players when they couldn’t DH.
A quality 1B has more positive effect on a defense then a quality 3B or LF. Since you haven’t played the sport, re-read.
You wrote above that 3B was the least important infield position.
I like that you are doubling down on this notion that first base is a more important defensive position than…well any other. Nobody who has ever played baseball or works in baseball believes this; first base is where teams put their worst fielders, and it always has been.
It’s difficult to not be sarcastic here, I’ll try to be nice. From your 2 posts….
1. “You wrote above that 3B was the least important infield position.”
Correct.
I was comparing the 4 infield positions and ranked 3B as #4.
2. “I like that you are doubling down on this notion that first base is a more important defensive position than…well any other.”
?
I did not write anything like that at all. Please re-read what you wrote in #1.
3. “Nobody who has ever played baseball or works in baseball believes this; first base is where teams put their worst fielders, and it always has been.”
No.
Branch Rickey building superior teams with the Browns, Cardinals, and Dodgers always had quality defensive 1B’s. Other GM’s and managers have put priorities on defensive 1B’s (often preferably LH throwers) – Whitey Herzog and Dayton Moore immediately come to mind.
For decades many teams hid their poor fielders @ 3B or LF. If they had a LH thrower that hit well but could not run – as per your David Ortiz example, then yes, he was hid at 1B when not DH’ing. LH throwers do not play 3B (or SS or 2B). Since he couldn’t run, putting him in the OF wasn’t workable
As for your Dick Stuart example – yes, his teams put him at 1B where he often led the league in errors. Notice that all the teams he played on stunk. His defense was one reason why they did.
Baseball is not formulaic. Organizations put priorities on positions as they see fit.
Last year the Red Sox dumped Hanley Rameriz in mid-season, and had Mitch Morleand play 1B full-time. Rameriz was a terrible defender. Moreland a superior 1B. They hit about the same in 2018. Yet right after that move was made that the Red Sox team took off and never slowed down for more then short stretches. Moreland made up for sub-standard defenders and throwers at the other infield positions.
John Lennon was not a very good rhythm guitar player. And rhythm guitar is hardly the most important instrument in a 4-person rock band. But Lennon did complementary, subtle things at times (as jazz musicians do when playing fills) that embellished what the other 3 guys were doing (actually, Keith Richards has always done the same thing – with a different style – in the Stones). In doing so he contributed to the Beatles in a way instrumentally that produced a better and unique end result The other 3 Beatles often spoke of how how important his guitar playing was to their success.
Point is that you (and most people here) see baseball as formulaic. Everything can be broken down scientifically. I see baseball as more of an art form. There is no perfect player, and surely no perfect team. I watch to see players on teams work off of one another to win games. I don’t watch to see who does what to have the best select statistic.
Samuel;
I see your point about unique contributions.
But in the case of your John Lennon example, the Beatles formed in and of themselves. No GM came along and tried to assemble a winning quartet.
George Harrison might have been traded for prospects, and the world would have to get by without ‘Taxman’, et. al.
I wouldn’t want to live in such a bleak world.
Well, Boston had a few other players in 2018 that were far better than Moreland; to argue that Moreland was the reason the Red SOx won 110 games (or whatever) is absurd.. Maybe the Red Sox won a couple extra games because Moreland was a better defender than Ramirez, or maybe they just were a tremendous team that had outstanding players at almost every position on the field. There are plenty of great teams with bad defensive first basemen. One that jumps immediately to mind is a team I watched in person all the time – the 2005 Chicago White Sox. They had a first baseman who could hit but was terrible defensively, like, seriously, Konerko was awful. That team did have a very good defensive third baseman, although one who didn’t hit well. The 2008 Phillies won the World Series with an atrocious defensive first baseman.
You also might want to look up the 2018 Red Sox. Hanley Ramirez played 25 games at first base, and the Red Sox won 18 of them.
And in the Beatles, only George Harrison was a superior musician. The Beatles are as important as they are because of their songwriting and because of George Martin. McCartney, Lennon and Starr were below-average musicians but Martin used the musical version of advanced analytics to turn them into something special.
I wish MLB would have a deadline (maybe December 15?) where free agents must sign, otherwise you have to sign a 1-year deal. This market is just absolutely brutal and is a huge turn off for fans. All of the other sports have exciting off seasons.
How is it unexciting and a turn off for fans? Spring training is what, six weeks away, and there’s still suspense as to where some major players will sign? That’s a very odd comment on your part.
ants;
Makes sense from a team perspective.
From players perspective, it’d be the thin edge of the wedge between them and a free market.
The real story this off season should be how grossly inaccurate the predictions were for Machado and Harper’s contracts. I guarantee Machado and his team are sweating bullets right now as they’re starting to realize that the Yankees are not going to drive up the price like they thought they would. They simply don’t need the guy.
Alright, everyone just put their dicks on the table and let’s get this over with.
*THUD*
These floor tiles are COLD!
The fact is the Yankees don’t need Machado, and Cashman is smart not to offer ridiculous money to a player who is more of a luxury item than a necessity. They already have plenty of power, especially from the right side, and adding another huge contract won’t help them in the long run. They need to give Andujar the oppurtunity to become a star. There is absolutely no reason why he can’t get better defensively with the right instruction. Ever heard of Adrian Beltre? He had as tough a start as anyone at third, but I think we’d all agree he had a pretty nice career. So give Andujar another year to develop at third, and if they decide that they’re not happy then they can go after Arenado instead,
Some of you Yankee fans are crazy to be upset with the current Yankee decision makers. As a Cub fan I’m so jealous of where you guys are at now and the future. You’ve got a ton of young talent, and an elite farm system that will continue to supplement more talent. While the Cubs have a core that propably only has two maybe three years max together more and another rebuild will be necessary because our farm system is garbage. Our front office blew the prospect wad and now we have no good young studs coming up, and they signed a bunch of turds in free agency recently. Cash will spend the money for sure on the right guys. If Cash and Hal want to pull back on signing Machado, I think it may be smart to listen to them as they know more. They are brilliant with putting everything they have to keeping a great farm system. Think of all the guys that you’ve brought up, and your welcome for Torres. I hate he’s not a Cub, and knew he’d be a stud.
Thank you bush. Cashman is a great gm but some Yankee fans are never satisfied. That’s just the way it is.We have young players who are good at every infield and of position but maybe 1b and c although its possible Sanchez and either Voit or Bird will be fine.We still have good players in the minors Last year we hit more hrs then any team ever and some Yankee fans still attack Cashman
Grass isn’t always greener. Some Yankees fans might be just a tad jealous over that recent WS title.. w/ said leadership.
Everyone keeps talking about Yonder Alonzo and John Jay and how it is an attempt by the White Sox to acquire Manny Manchado. Why does everyone forget the So also signed Wellington Castillo, who is also good friends with Mancado, last year.
Glossed over quite a few of the comments on this thread from upset Yankees fans and here is my two cents:
The Yankees do not need Machado. Adding him would have obvious benefits, but he does not represent a need, particularly on offense. We have too many RH hitters as it stands, so adding another one is superfluous. If he was a LH, that would change things quite a bit in my mind.
You can nitpick about Andujar’s defense, but the kid can hit and is far too valuable to cast away. If you want to shore up the defensive issue, continue to work with him and sign a utility guy who can play 3B as needed. The utility guy would also provide some insurance on Tulo (who we really only need for half the season until Didi returns). Adrian Beltre has apparently been working with Andujar’s defense this offseason and I like that Andujar is making that effort. Point is, you don’t need to drop $35m/yr to shore up the defense. With Andujar’s bat, he very well may be a superstar himself within two or three years.
This brings me back to my comment about NYY’s lack of LH hitters. If you’re going to go out and drop $$$ on a Free Agent hitter, they need to fit the team’s need. Harper fits that mould far more than Machado for the following reason:
1. He’s LH
2. Gardner is a 4th OF who was re-signed just as much, if not more-so, for his clubhouse presence.
3. Stanton is our DH and should not see regular time in the OF.
4. Hicks is a Free Agent after 2019 and is yet to put together a full season w/ NYY w/o injury. We can’t assume he wants to re-sign, but maybe we offer him a QA and see what he decides to do.
5. Florial should be ready to come up within a couple years and man CF full time, so we’d lean on some kind of rotating CF platoon in 2020, maybe with a defensive CF FA signed to bridge that gap before Florial is ready.
2019 will give us a better idea on Andujar and his ability (or lack-there-of) to improve defensively. If he doesn’t, there is a REALLY REALLY good 3B who currently plays in COL that will be a free agent after 2019. Again, a RH, but just as good as Machado (if not better). Maybe that’s when NYY considers trying to transition Andujar to 1B (assuming Bird continues to suck and Voit comes back to earth, both of which I fully anticipate seeing in 2019).
2020 free agent class has some big names in it that would be huge gets for NYY. So any lack of activity on hitters in 2019 may be with the 2020 class in mind.
Finally, we have to pay our homegrown guys eventually, starting with Betances in 2020. A lot of moving parts to consider and therefore its really important to remember this:
Yankees won 100 games in 2018 despite a lackluster starting rotation during stretches of the season as well as losing several key players to injuries that were shelved for reasonably significant time (some more-so than others). The rotation is already better than it was in 2018 w/ Paxton/Happ on board for a full season. Our bullpen is almost identical less DRob, but we get a full season of Britton and can fill that last slot easily enough (with either Ottavino or one of several guys in AAA). Offensively, it’s reasonable to assume that a healthy Kraken will bounce back at the plate and Stanton is in a great position to improve his overall numbers after transitioning to the AL. I expect Andujar and Torres to take some strides at the plate as well.
NYY can start the season today and be in really good shape. If fine-tuning is needed, look to the trade deadline to patch up holes for the title run.
not necessarily disagreeing with your points and positions. However, adding one asterik. per se’ under your comment about the SP being better and the 100 wins.
*the yankees as currently constituted (pending other moves) are certainly better positioned at this point than last year at this time for the REGULAR SEASON.
Come postseason i don’t want to see happ and CC pitching against Boston or Houston when they throw legit aces out to shut our homer or bust offense down. Till the yanks acquire an ace (or one develops within) to match those studs WS 28 is likely fraught with peril.
Fangraphs projected WAR has the Yanks as the top team at this point. I think if they sign Machado they will be the team to beat. I would look for the Yanks, Phils, and Sox to look at the Swellopts method of contract for both Harper and Machado. Teams really don’t want to go more than 4 years at time with a player today!
Fans that are pro Machado this means Yankees win a championship are being mislead. Machado is a superstar I don’t think anyone doubts that. One player is not going to make a difference. They can sure help but not a fix all. The price for this one player is going to be very costly. It is going to effect next years signings, the overall budget of the team. We fans not on the Machado or bust bandwagon are thinking deeper.
The Yankees have some holes that could be addressed that simply would improve the Yankees chances more then the simple fact of adding Machado. This would be to add a couple good hitters left handed or switch hitting that play multiple positions. The Yankees could really stand to sign one more pitcher especially if CC isn’t going to make it because Gray would be a disaster 5th starter or not. He needs to go.
The Yankees financial budget it not limitless. Every MLB team is paying deep attention to the Luxury Tax and the ones who surpassed it win then sell off everyone to get back under it. I would rather the Yankees keep its core young players together then sell off everyone. or not afford to address other issues that are sure going to crop up this year next year and the years after.
If there was only a way to add Manny without getting rid of anyone or not prevent us to resign our current valued players then great. If there is I have not seen it without just blowing through the luxury tax into the stratosphere.
I’m thinking that a way for 2 premier organizations to benefit each is this trade. Before an immediate rejection it makes perfect sense. To the Dodgers, Giancarlo Stanton, Miquel Andujar… to the Yankees. Rich Hill, Max Muncy, Joc Pederson, and maybe Dennis Santana or Caleb Ferguson… It gives the Dodgers 2 RH hitters. Exchanges salaries of Hill and Joc for Stanton. Keeps L.A. under the cap. Opens up 3B for Yanks signing Manny. Gives Yanks 2 LH bats. Muncy is the solud 1B they need. Another solid SP for Yankees. Plus a good young arm.
For the Dodgers they put Stanton in left, They keep young Verdugo for RF.. Andujar takes over at 1B for L.A….. or if that fails move Miquel to RF. Verdugo to CF. And then Bellinger back to first.
Also makes the rotation for L.A. Kershaw, Buehler, Ryu, Stripling, Maeda, possibly Urias.. It makes too much sense. And I think it’s a fair trade for both teams
I like Andujar and Stanton way too much to make that trade.. You can run it by Mr. Cashman but I would bet he turns it down as well.
Rich Hill is 38. This trade is probably salary neutral so why would NY give up one of the better hr hitters in baseball and one of the best young hitters in baseball for what your offering. Hillis a decent pitcher but hes 38.The Yanks give up Stanton and Andujar a stud pitcher at minimum better be coming back with years of control. Make it Bueler your chances are better but still short
Look again you got me mixed up with Michigan Dodger Guy reply to him the next comment up I declined the offer as a matter of fact if it was left to me Andujar and Stanton are not for sale I don’t care who is added
I did it as a reply against him but it put me behind you because your comment preceded mine.My comment was not aimed at you
When a team is close one player like JD can make the difference. The baseball playoffs are outlier, once you get in anything can happen.
I don’t think if the Yanks sign Machado that they get rid of anyone this year. Andujar is one of their best hitters returning.
Even if the WSOX strike out this year at the top of the market they’re making decent moves. They’re acquiring talent that they can deal for more prospects. They haven’t give up much in the way of prospects to do so. Worst case scenario you can start moving these guys on relatively short deals in July. If Herrera/Colome start throwing well you can get some real prospects.
Old enough to remember Steinbrenner being the laughing stock of baseball. Then 1994 came along and things began to turn. But between the two strikes the Yankees could not get it together despite some good talent. Some desperate moves occurred, bad trades etc.
Yankees are still in very good position, Harper or Machado or neither. But for those hoping they’d sign one of the two, the Stanton move hurt that.chance. Option 2 would have been doing without re-signing Gardner and Sabathia. They wanted the depth options.
The Yankees were the laughing stock of MLB when CBS TV owned the Yankees the only one doing the laughing since then has been the New York Yankees at the rest of MLB
My comment of the past few days.
Thanks to all the writers for giving me the most peaceful, enjoyable, fun few days on here and you know why.
I have enjoyed the past 3 days with these fans, They were very personable, humorous and they acted like real men, no bullying in sight….Thank You All!
I’ve been saying it from day 1 .Harper is an asset that will return big money to Steinbrenner from all his revenue avenues. NY fans will embrace Harper for years to come
Correct. People only look at badeball numbers and forget about the business numbers. Harper would probably be a top. Jersey seller every year.
bj82;
Didn’t know Harper had a real estate license.
I like Harper too but I just don’t see the Yankees taking on that big of a contract plus 10 year which has long implications of future mobility. Wouldn’t it be great to add Manny and Harper to 2 year or 3 year high 40 million annual salary then opt out. Get your for sure World series rings, fatten your averages then enter back into the market for your life time retirement contacts at age 29
Yanks spent less than 30% of revenue on payroll and fans are in here fighting for them to keep more of it. Also, if you ask me, Arod’s contract was bad, CC was bad, Tanaka hasn’t been bad, Manny wasn’t bad, Jeter 8 yr contract was bad, Scherzer has been bad. People need to stop pointing to only the bad contracts and ignoring the good ones, there is more than just the contract length, like, what age was the player when they signed the contract.
Yanks choose Elsbury over Cano, after that they plugged $Hitty 2b for like 4 years. Tulo can easy be Brian Roberts all over again.
Question, who plays SS if Tulo sucks or get injured in April? It’s the same thing every year.
With Harper and Machado, you could be talking a contract in the 10/350 range. The Yankees may not feel comfortable with a contract in that range.
That is true. But, that doesn’t mean the contracts won’t work out.
Another thing that people are missing is, these owners will do whatever it take to keep salaries down and take more of the tota revenue. The last thing other teams want is for guys like Juan Soto, Acuña, Judge, Betts to go this route and as for 300+ contracts. I’m pretty sure Betts will ask for something similar to Harper.
How in the world has CC’s tenure here not been worth it ? Are you crazy ?????
Sorry, I meant to say Arod’s and CC weren’t bad.
Questions for you all.
1) What type of contract do you think Machado ends up signing? Opt outs aside, the years and money is what I’m curious about. I don’t see him sniffing the $300 million some talk about. Does he get 5/$150m, 6/$180m, or a lower AVV at more years with say 8/$200m?
2) if the Yankees do sign Machado, would you move Andujar in a deal for MadBum?
3) What do you think Harper gets when he signs? I think his contract will be more than Manny’s, but is a higher risk to be regrettable a couple of years from now.
My wild guess is Machado signs with the Phillies for 10/350 and Harper signs with the White Sox for 10/350.
1. 180 to 220
2. No no 1000 times no I would not trade Andujar for MadBum never trade a position player with Andujar proven value for any pitcher including DeGrom risk of injury is far too great and this kid is 5 years of 30 to 40 home runs a year…anyone in their farm system Bird Frazier but not this kid no way
3. 10 years 300 million plus has already been offered so he likely isn’t going for less
2. No. Andujar for a rental might be the dumbest trade ever, considering it only took prospects to pry Chris Sale away from CWS. Andujar has more value than anyone in that package for Chris Sale (due to actual MLB success, and not just prospect projections) and Chris Sale had far more value at the time of the trade then MadBum has right now. So you trade more value than someone else had to trade in order to get less value than the aforementioned trade?
I see about 7 yrs 220 for Machado. Moving a hitter like Andujar for one year of Madbum would be a humongous mistake. Also Harper probably will get more than Harper but I think will be a far more problematic signing
Meant more than Machado obviously
Gotta believe ChiSox are more attractive to Machado over Phillies. His 1st choice being the Yanks. If Phillies offer him $100 mil more than anybody else that’s where he’ll land. I do not believe it is down to these 3 teams though. If market slows & Manny isn’t getting offers anywhere near 10/350 there will be even more teams interested.
Andujar is under control til 2023 on the cheap. Gardner will retire next year and Hicks is a free agent, which leaves positions in the outfield. Harper makes more sense for the long term.
I love how non Yankee fans get mad at them for either spending or not spending lmao. The team is much better ran now period and cashman isn’t desperate to throw 300 million at machado. He knows what he is doing
You’re right. Haters still call us the Evil Empire yet the Bosox payroll is 45 million dollars higher.. Also they love complaining saying the Yanks will sign everyone.Then when they don’t they male fun of the Yankees
Willy;
In honor of your great user ID, you get a ‘pass’.
Plus you’re right about Beansox.
Machado can go to the White Sox. The Yankees don’t need him
How gracious of you. I’ll inform Rick Hahn you said it’s OK to sign Manny now.
Would it be permissible to kick your collective arses in ‘19?
After reviewing the remaining free agent and trade market these are the best players who would best fit the Yankees needs. I can not see any other players that would be of best benefit for the Yankees more so then who I listed. The Yankees have enough right handed bats so Machado would be the only exception. Regardless Yankees sign Harper or Machado a couple of these backups are highly needed for depth or injuries you know will happen in the year.
Bryce Harper: His left handed bat and hard nose play would be a perfect fit for the Yankees and he could slot in left field possible 1B rotating with Voit. Unless Yankees get really creative on his contract in short years high annual salary with player team opt outs 300 plus million dollars 10 year isn’t going to work
Manny Machado: Manny could be considered a Red Sox killer and quite naturally a great 3B The issue is the Yankees have a young affordable Miquel Andujar who is just too good offensively and has promise to improve at 3B defense to call this a Yankee weak spot. Again unless creative short year contract with high annual salary it’s a no go because even 200 million a year isn’t likely to happen. I am pro Machado but not at the cost of giving up Andujar under any conditions for a pitching Ace risk regardless who the Ace is as pitching arm can go with one single pitch. . That’s why you trade unproven but very good top 30 minor prospects but not proven position players or top ROY consideration candidates
Marwin Gonzalez: This is a no brainer sign for the Yankees. A very affordable switch hitter who plays hard, had great hard hit rate can cover 1B 2B SS 3B LF making the consummate perfect free agent. This is one free agent besides the superstars I would consider a 3 year deal.
Freddy Galviz Not the bat of Gonzalez but left handed who would be a 2nd player to add to the roster who makes good sense for covering multiple infield postions and left field. A one year deal.
Mike Moutakas Not a first choice but can fill in at 1B DH 3B with as solid lefty bat in the lineup.. The issue here is somewhat slow lumbering which the Yankees need more speed and limited on multiple positions. One of the other infielders named would also have to be signed. A one year deal.
Jed Lowrie He makes sense for his bat as a switch hitter that can play multiple infield positions but has not been connected at all to the Yankees. Really nothing but a 1 year deal.
Nick Markakis Outfield not the best fit or really a choice due to an already crowded Yankee outfielder he is the only left handed power hitter I can see of value The issue is Yankees already have Gardner and Frazier in left. 1 Year so it’s only the bat that is most attractive. Somebody would have to go so this is not likely but his bat was worth a mention.
Left Handed Pitcher: Gio Gonzalez really the best out of the rest of the free agent starter scrap heap. Not an ace by any means but would be a sensible replacement for Yankees to rid themselves of Sonny Gray as a back of the rotation innings eater 150 or more innings. Gray is a better pitcher but not in New York Gonzalez would be perfect low cost 1 year deal insurance behind CC Sabathia until a mid summer ace trade deadline where better options would be available.
Best Trade Target: Scooter Gennett would be a perfect left handed power bat for the Yankees. multi infielder and 1B Perhaps the Reds would still be open to a multi player package starting with Sonny Gray NY to add 2 of either Luis Cessa Greg Bird, Clint Frazier (would be an over pay) or 2 top 30 right handed prospect pitchers
Why is it that NYY fans tend to view MLB like a kid with a pocketful of change and no supervision views a candy store? Or better yet, like Rodney Dangerfield’s character views the country club’s pro shop in Caddyshack.
The Yankees’ checkbook baseball has made their fanbase spoiled, greedy, and entitled.
Fans who are so desperate for the Yankees to sign Manny Machado they are ready to throw logic or common sense out the window along with the baby and the bathwater are laughingly accusing Hal Steinbrenner of being a cheapskate.
How can you justify that statement with a straight face? As far as I know the Yankees are the only team in MLB history until this year has been over the luxury tax every single year since the inception of the luxury tax. Certainly you can’t call that being cheap.
I think the Yankees want to be smart sensible and prudent for the long term future. Nobody can accuse the Yankees of not wanting Machado or Harper. Of course they would love to have both of them, especially with the pending deal of purchasing YES TV for ratings purposes if nothing else.
There are many other considerations going forward the majority of if not all of us have no idea other then being a rabid fan that the Yankees would have to make. For you the fan it is instant gratification but for the Yankees it is years of both financial considerations and team structure. I am sure the Yankees would like to win the World Series multiple times more then you the fan does. I guess if you are a fan your’re just going to have to be patient if there is a way they will figure it out if not they don’t make the deal….it’s that simple.
Let me educate all of you Yankees need Manny Machado or all is lost fans all in favor of trading Andujar for the first pitcher who comes along. . First of all the Yankees have a 3B that from MLB players (that’s right players not media) chose as AL ROY apparently they yes the players see some potential in Andujar on the field you or the media do not.
Anyone can be a parrot look at what media is reporting then report what they say.. Yes all these media guys who never picked up a baseball or bat that never played the game in a competitive level looking for a headline click know better then the players…what do the players know…media as well as the fans are the experts right?.
When Cashmans phone rings what player do you suppose every team is asking for in a trade? Is it Yankee defense whizzes Hanser Alberto or Tyler Wade? Greg Bird? Frazier? Sonny Gray? Luis Cessa? Wrong it’s Miguel Andujar followed by Gary Sanchez ..Surprise!
Obvious Machado is a star every team wants because the mere fact of having him equals your’re in like Flint for no doubt instant World Series Ring right? If that’s the case then why isn’t every MLB team bidding on Machado??? I only see 3 teams bidding on him.
For those of you who think Machado is the difference between Yankees winning the WS or not winning maybe you need to take one step back take a breath here…it takes a complete team, good balance, deep reserves Machado won’t hurt but he is not the total answer ….otherwise all teams would be bidding on him…they aren’t because they are not willing to risk the money to do so. They all have the money. They just don’t think Machado is the instant answer to winning it all. Only you fans are the ones who think that.
Gluttonous Yankees fans throwing Machado under the bus already. Manny dodged a bullet bigtime.