In the wake of this morning’s reports from ESPN’s Buster Olney (Twitter link) and USA Today’s Bob Nightengale (Twitter link), in which both suggested that the White Sox’ current offer to Manny Machado stands at $175MM over seven years, Machado’s agent, Dan Lozano of the MVP Sports Group, issued the following statement to MLBTR and other media outlets:
I have known Bob Nightengale and Buster Olney for many years and have always had a good professional relationship with both. But their recent reporting, like many other rumors in the past several months, have been inaccurate and reckless when it comes to Manny Machado. I don’t know if their sources are blatantly violating the Collective Bargaining Agreement by intentionally misleading them to try and affect negotiations through the public or are just flat out lying to them for other reasons. But the truth is that their reports on the details of the White Sox level of interest in Manny are completely wrong.
I am well aware that the entire baseball universe; fans, players, teams, and media members alike; are starved for information about this free agent market for all players, including Manny. But I am not going to continue to watch the press be manipulated into tampering with, not just with my client, but all of these players’ livelihoods as they have been doing this entire offseason. The absence of new information to report is no excuse to fabricate “news” or regurgitate falsehoods without even attempting to confirm their validity and it is a disservice to baseball fans everywhere when the media does just that.
Moving forward, I will continue to respect the CBA’s prohibition on negotiations through the media, and hope that others would do the same.
It’s an emphatic denial of this morning’s reports and a fairly rare step for an agent or team executive to take with regard to media reports. Lozano, though, clearly felt strongly enough to offer a firm rebuke of the information that has been put forth. The “White Sox level of interest” is in reference to the reported numbers on Machado’s offer this morning, rather than a commentary on Chicago’s desire to sign the player himself. At this point, there’s no clear timeline or indication as to when Machado’s free-agent saga will end.
Joe Kerr
Knew it!
TwinsTrio
Am sure Lozano really thought he had his cash coming when Machado was coming up toward free agency. But the truth is that just the season before last, Machado had a mediocre season. And then he said he’s not Johnny Hustle.
You get what you pay for, and no amount of crying “wolf” over the White Sox offer will raise Machado’s value. Nice try though, Lozano….
snakesalive1
Unless you’re Ruth, Mantle or Mays — Machado & Harper should never be north of 200 million.
algionfriddo
Josh Gibson, Stan Musial, Hank Aaron, Teddy Ballgame & Lou Gehrig come to mind… but you make a good point.
impapad17
Not sure who Josh Gibson is??
lettersandnumbersonly
Google is your friend
What
Do some Negro League research, plenty of info.
TrueOutcomeFan
Babe Ruth was the white Josh Gibson.
joblo
Or Mike Trout
Dad
We forgot Satchel Paige
zwmartin
This is beyond stupid. Baseball is making more money than ever before. Don’t understand clowns who rather a billionaire hoard money than it go to making your team better.
sixpacktwo
Trout only player today.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
He was the first African american professional baseball player.
Fun fact. In the 1800s when baseball first started. There was a player named Billy Hamilton.
He held the career stolen base record for 80 years.
brewpackbuckbadg
and Ichiro
Maildude
They are business owners, they are in the business of other people making them money. Owners are wising up and realizing these mega contracts rarely work out.
Pujols
Chris Davis
Miguel Cabrera
Prince Fielder
Stanton
Cano
You have a choice between Juan Soto for 500k or Harper for 30 mil.
Who is the better investment from a business perspective?
Soto and strengthen your team with the other 29.5 million
angelsforever
arte moreno fell IN LOVE with Albert Pujols.
YourDaddy
5.4 WAR. Let me say it again. 5.4 WAR. That is superstar. That Olney spouted lies to get clicks again this year is no surprise. His readership, which in ESPN’s wisdom idiots have to pay for, has fallen over 70% in just 3 years. He will do anything to get people to read him including lie.
higherandtighter
WAR age 26 seasons:
Ruth 12.9
Mays 8.1
Mantle. 8.7
Trout. 9.2. injury-shortened
Manny, star yes. Superstar? No.
Begamin
Brett Gardner had a WAR of 4.9 in 2017. Is he a superstar?! Should Gardner be commanding 175/7 while Machado 250/9?
Fanof29teams
Orange and apples lol
Steve Shapiro
Is it really logical to put Babe Ruth in the conversation with current players? Surely, the conditions for putting up statistics were far different back in the 1920s. than today.
TrueOutcomeFan
He was likely given bad info from a usually reliable source. Your conspiracy theory about him wanting to get clicks doesn’t even pass the sniff test.
Mikel Grady
True he road on rickety trains from town to town . Had a 54 ounce bat and drank beer instead of shooting up steroids. Babe Ruth with the training and diet of today with modern equipment and pitcher couldn’t throw at his head?
Fanof29teams
Yeah, but playing with the very best players in the world, , wasn’t Ruth playing in a White only league?
Fanof29teams
Trout in a White only league? Pujols hitting in a Latino only League.
Bonds hitting in a black only league .
Don’t you see the numbers hitters put up in Cuba?
SLL
Some good 26-year-olds from a previous generation:
Steve Garvey, 5.1
Reggie Smith, 5.6
Ron Cey, 4.9
And more recently:
Albert Pujols 8.5
Matt Kemp 8.0
Jean Segura 5.5
I just checked the Top 10 in WAR for 2018. At the Top: Mookie Betts, with 10.9. The guy in tenth, Christian Yelich, had 7.6. There is no Machado on the list. There is no Harper on the list.
The last – and only – time Machado made the top ten in WAR was in 2016 (#8, with 6.9). The only time Harper made the list was in 2015 (1st, with 10.0).
Yep.
Good players, not great.
Stars, not superstars.
thecrown24
You mean a guy like Yasiel Puig who put up monster numbers in Cuba then came here and is nowhere near as advertized? Comparing the Cuban League to MLB is like comparing apples to Oranges. How did Kaz Matsui fair in the Major Leagues compared to playing ball in Japan? Granted some guys come here and produce in other leagues outside of Major League Baseball but their is a reason why pros who can’t make it in the bigs sign with Mexican teams, Japanese teams, independent Leagues, They try and go there and put up great stats to try and get back to Major League Ball. Literally don’t know where you are coming from with the post you stated. The other leagues are nowhere near the skill set of MLB
thecrown24
Until Machado can pitch to a top 10 era in MLB history Please never say the words of Ruth and Machado in the same sentence.
FOmeOLS
Lozano? Is that you?
wholenewworld
WAR is a comparative stat against the rest of current league.
It is the relationship of the player against his competition. How much better (or worse) that player is compared to his colleagues. Replacement value being the equivalent of zero.
So, yeah, you can use WAR to compare Ruth to Machado.
Fanof29teams
You just made my point, Puig was in Cuba playing only against Cubans , Abreu is a better example of what I mean , he was a 400avg, 4OHR, in 81 games , that was against the best players from Cuba , but against the best players of the world he is just a good hitter. So the same thing apply to Ruth ( playing in a only white league).
Fanof29teams
That league was weak , they were very good and great players not playing in it.
Fanof29teams
Against who?lol legends are legends but come on let’s be real and stop with the Ruth thing , if the league wasn’t close to so many other great players ( pitchers and hitters) he wouldn’t have those same numbers,
neverender82
Just because he isn’t comparing to hall of fame seasons doesn’t mean he’s not a superstar
sixpacktwo
What you are missing is today is the Baseball organizations and HS,s that allow players of all backgrounds to compete and gain skills. That was not so in 1925, Also, there were a lot fewer Blacks in America as a percent of the population. Also, baseball was not played everywhere like it is today. So even if there was no segregation it would not be like today. You can almost compare to Hockey today, there are not a lot of ice rinks to practice in so it is mostly Countries with a colder climate where youngsters can practice their skating. Ruth/Williams would be great in any era as Mays would have been, Trout is the only current player in that league.
thecrown24
Babe Ruth Is the greatest and will be the greatest ball player to ever play the game of baseball plain and simple. Like I said Until Machado can Pitch or anyone for that matter and accumalte the same stats offensive wise and Pitching wise then you can open your mouth about Ruth.
Fanof29teams
Mediocre season? Lol, 5.4 war, 30+ homerun, and one of the best defenders at 3rd base. Dont be a hater, not everyone has to be like Adrian Beltre (super nice guy). Machado at least doesnt fake like Jeter.
dugdog83
Guys, there are more impotent stats than WAR. You look like kids when you only quote it, that’s why no one takes you serious. Even on a trade rumors site.
Fanof29teams
Ok, 188 hits , 297avg , 14 SB ( 2 Cs ) 368 OBP , 905 OPS , 37HR , 35 2b, where is the mediocre season? I just don’t see it , career year for Derek Jeter .
higherandtighter
Yes, there are indeed more “impotent” stats than WAR.
Fanof29teams
I agree
TwinsTrio
I said mediocre the season before last…. Which means 2017 when Machado batted .259 with an on-base-percentage of .310.
va_yinzer
Wh would you rather have at the plate in Game 7 down 1 with two on and two outs? Jeter or Machado?
TheFixIsIn
Mr. October, clearly.
adkuchan
I guess I don’t understand what mediocre means any more. He was top 20 in average, and top 15 in every meaningful offensive category. Oh yeah, and he’s a very good SS. It’s not like last season was a fluke either. He has been a top 10 player in MLB since his debut. Instead of mediocre, I think you meant stud. Manny Machado is a stud. I get people not being a fan, but the kid can flat out play.
Fanof29teams
Couldn’t say it better.
Prospectnvstr
Top 15 to top 20 player, i can agree with that assessment. But THAT DOESN’T justify Top 1,2, or 3 salary.
Jose1209
I Agreed. Idk why people keep hating on Manny. We take LA to the world series. Before LA trade for him they was 4 game over 500.
Fanof29teams
Stanton is making more money than trout lol , so it’s not how it works.
Mrivers
No doubt Machado hurt himself with his reckless words in October along with past behavior. Yanks brass, for example, was split on him.
xabial
Huh? You needed Dan Lozano to tell you Nightengale and Olney — may be fake news (not 100% reliable)
Joe Kerr
Nightengake, no, that guy is never right. I had a little bit higher opinion of Olney but we aren’t going to know for sure until he actually signs and whichever team signs him puts the details out.
YourDaddy
LMAO. Olney was the guy that said that Darvish was going to the Twins for 5/100 and a few days later said that Hosmer’s highest offer was $80 million. He will literally say anything to keep himself in the news.
Begamin
wait, didnt you point out that Scott Boras said to never count the Yankees out as a reason to believe the Yankees are still in on Harper?
YourDaddy
@joe kerr Look at how many downvotes you get for the truth. These boys all want to hate, but tell the truth and the downvotes come out.
Joe Kerr
dont see the down votes on the app but it’s all good. If that makes people feel better, down vote away.
clepto
If its any consolation, I downvoted you, for no real reason. Please enjoy.
ChiSox_Fan
It’s Manny and his Agent’s fault that he hasn’t made a decision.
Taking too long. Holding teams hostage.
I say take the Sox offer OFF the table.
YourDaddy
I think whoever released false information to Olney and Nightengale just did that.
atomicfront
How do you know the agent isn’t lying. He probably told teams there were higher offers from the White Sox and now he is looking stupid so he comes out with misinformation.
mrblue2
One thing is for sure. If Machado signs with an N.L. Club the Brewers have a fastball with Manny Machado’s name on it.
citizen
zzz
nuschler22
Agents would never negotiate through the media.
live42day
Agents like Boras would never do that.
Cough, Cough.
(I know he isn’t Manny’s agent)
albearrrr
Mystery team couldn’t have been invented by the agent. to drum up more money for their client
TeddyBallgameYazJimEd
Oh no they would never do that.. and machado’s agent also neglected to mention that there is a strong suspicion he has mental illness issues
YourDaddy
No suspicion with you. We know that for a fact.
snakesalive1
Agents are bad for baseball. The fans suffer $$$.
normanbates
Whatever..
HalosHeavenJJ
Lozano generally handles his business the right way and I can respect him. He doesn’t have obvious pawns in the media (like Boras does with Heyman) or lead dirty laundry.
He gets deals done and generally avoids the spotlight.
FOmeOLS
Yes, perhaps, but it is very easy to cry BS on this comment, because it’s about half of what Manny wanted. It’s obvious that he’s not going to get what he wants either in years or money, so his agent is doing damage control.
david klein
Nightingale is never ever right about anything so I’d tend to buy what Heyman and Machado’s agent is saying.
yogineely
Heyman was the worst during manny trade talks last season
HalosHeavenJJ
Heyman is the worst at all times. An obvious schill for Boras.
lilpartialbaldo
Tomorrow’s headline. Machado signs with White Sox for 7/175
xabial
One can only hope…
Then Yankees to sign Harper for 7/200 to follow.
clepto
Wow, 40 straight downvotes. Feel shame? Shame enough to not comment for weeks?
What are the odds of 40 straight downvotes?
I know, I know: its everyone elses fault. Its the trolls.
Everyone add your downvote. Maybe we can get to 60, a new MLBTR record. Held by? You guessed it!
em650r
More like Yankees sign 3/36 with 4th year player option for 18 mil
snakesalive1
In your dreams. Still to much.
Disco Dave
personally I wouldn’t take the guy on my team. I think he deserves a 1 year wake up call deal. he’s a borderline punk.
could you imagine being a classy vet and this guy shows up?
tomsack
Good, we will take him
Sox Win.
Brad Vanderberg
“Sox win”… gee that is rarely ever heard around Chicago a whole lot.
tomsack
well get used to it
Anthony Princeton
The White Sox went almost 20 years without a losing record. Then I believe only behind the Braves for wins in the 90’’s. Yeah the last decade or so was bad but meh. I was at the games in 05 and a couple of friends received genuine World Series rings.
bleedblue2
Heard when Boston is in town…
ChiSoxCity
The White Sox beat the Red Sox regularly in past years, but feel free to get in your licks while the team is on the come up. See you at Wriggley!
rexastangers
First, you spelled Wrigley wrong. Second, what does the Cubs ballpark have to do with a conversation that has been about the Red and White Sox?
Ichiro51
Borderline Punk? Someone is getting emotional. He is one of the most talented hitters of this generation and you wouldn’t want him because he said one comment? get.over it.
petfoodfella
Is he really though, of this generation? He’s a career .280 hitter, avg’s 30hrs a year (not generational talent) and he doesn’t walk much or run much anymore.
He’s good, but I have a hard time using the words “most talented hitters of this generation” outside of him being top 20.
Strike Four
He’s an elite ballplayer who is a big part of the reason why MLB makes billions. He deserves his chunk of the pie.
Oh yeah, he hasnt even hit his peak yet. He’s entering his prime. His next 6-7 years are for sure going to be MVP-level, every year.
He also loves playing headgames, which if he were white, would be lauded as “intangibles”. But the media is racist and many fans are too, so they immediately go into hate mode.
stymeedone
Please, oh please, explain to me why any player “deserves” it. Saying he was only offered $25mm/yr for 7 years requires a whole new definition of “only”. I deserve to take my family to the game for less than $200.00 but that ain’t happening.
birdsonbat
Steee-rike four! You’re out! Ha. Leave race sh*t at home, it’s baseball, a business, and adored by diehard fans.
RIPprosports
And the race card gets pulled. Get out of here. He’s a POS no matter what race he is.
atomicfront
Yeah he helped the Orioles get 47 wins this season. Wait that is below replacement level. Orioles attendance was 1.6 million worst attendance since the 70’s. I am not sure he is helping anyone make money except his agent.
Fanof29teams
I Agree
petefrompp
Stymeedone-
Its really weird – people are capping on players making money – and yet MLB had record revenues of 10.3 BILLION in 2018 – and payroll spending went down. Why are so many concerned or stating players are not worth X- ever.
I can say the same about you – no one needs more than $75k a year – so you shouldn’t make more than that. Doesn’t matter what your skill level or contribution to company revenues etc. Doesn’t make sense – players should be able to maximize their earnings off of their skill and labor.
Machado and Harprer are the two best players available this off season- and two of the best at this age to hit the market in a long time- they should get paid – a lot.
Keep in mind most of these teams play in publicly funded ballparks – the billionaire owners didnt even pay for the parks – you did. Now you want them to reap even more profit by keeping more revenues for themselves and not paying the people who actual do the work.
This position on players making money doesn’t make sense
Cole Shepherd
Dude.
MrStealYoBase
Every time “character issues” are mentioned about a player, he is always black or Latino. Harper dogged it just as much last year and has gotten into fights during his career but nobody is talking about that
Prospectnvstr
Manny is a top 20 player, arguably. He isn’t in the top 10,imo. With that in mind i can’t see how he gets top 1,2, or 3 total $ or $/AAV
pater06
That might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read. His asinine behavior would never be called an “intangible” by anyone regardless of color.
Bernie's Dander
Not true. John Rocker had “character issues” and he’s white. Same with Jeff Kent and Kevin Brown(both white). People with character issues get labeled as guys with character issues. It has nothing to do with race.
TheFixIsIn
Deliberately stepping on someone’s ankle…trying to take someone out in a slide? Do a punk-ass make. Add to that his “not gonna hustle” comment and skipping out of the box when he should be RUNNING -forget hustling-makes him a straight-up punk. And add the hair to it and we can close the books on him.
TheFixIsIn
Let’s add Trevor Bauer to that list. He had a twitter fight with a female COLLEGE student!
TwinsTrio
Paul O’Neil is the one that comes to mind first. The day he kicked the live ball out of the outfield back toward the infield, I really felt sorry for him.
But there are a lot of issues with players in the league, for some (like Jeff Kent, Pierzynski, Carlos Gomez…. They gave the league and fans plenty of reasons to dislike them.
sully51
The only issue I have with it is in relation to crippling a team’s ability to fill out a team around that player. If there’s no CBT, give him 50 per, fine. But when you have to fill out a 25 man and 40 man, you really can’t do that for one player. If the players want a bigger piece of the pie, they need to negotiate for it. Until then, they have to live in the structure we have.
BasedBallGuru
Looks like your scouting report on Machado is a couple years out of date if you still think that. Once the SS hissy fit ends (Only playing ss this year to try and earn more money, but hurting team), hes going to likely be a very good ,not great 3b. At his current trajectory anyway.
FOmeOLS
As a dedicated Baltimore follower, I can guarantee you it’s not just,”one comment.”
higherandtighter
We talk about the foot-drag and the comments because they just happened.
He’s also the guy who hit Derek Norris twice in the head with his backswing in the same AB
Threw a bat intentionally on the field during an AB, trying to hit the pitcher
Had an absolute psychotic meltdown when Josh Donaldson tagged him out.
Watch the vids on YouTube.
Machado is violent guy. Not every owner is willing to overlook that.
RIPprosports
Get off his nutz
Manny is the biggest POS in the league.
ChiSoxCity
So now he’s a “POS”? Wow.
Priggs89
Just to the Dodgers fan that’s probably tired of his team choking in the playoffs despite spending allllll that money.
josechelin
IMO you cross the line a little in your comments. However i tend to agree with you. He needs a wake up call. At time he seems arrogant and disrespectful to MLB in general including fans. Some athletes fail to understand the responsibilities of a Professional athlete. The roll model they become specially for kids and young adults.
Smartz1
I disagree. He’s a punk based on his continual bush league actions. Calling a spade a spade isn’t crossing the line at all. The truth is the truth.
As far as being a role model, please. As Charles Barkley said, “I ain’t no role model” . Maybe if the kids had involved parents/family they wouldn’t need athletes or other famous people to be their “role models”.
brian214
@Smartz1 this comment is spot on. You deserve a minimum 1K likes.
Oxford Karma
They collect checks to be on posters, fat heads, jerseys with their name on the back, cards, etc. Those are all role model type positions. Athletes are the highest paid people they can relate to. They’re role models whether they want to be or not.
Disco Dave
any player that does not run out every single ball in play 100% is disrespecting his team, his coaches and the game, but it happens and the good guys when they f up admit it and dig in harder. to suggest it doesn’t apply to him….pass. have fun chisox…
Ricky Adams
Thats just failed parenting. How bout being someone ur kids can look up to. But, ur, is a typical reaction today. Blame someone else. Im sorry but manny machada, and eminem, and lebron james, and lil wayne r not role models.
Disco Dave
any capable player
ala vmart on the
verge of blowing out
his knee every step…..
I don’t see trout play often
but I would assume
he isn’t a hustle
problem as an example.
so don’t get your panties
in a bunch ladies..ha
go tigers!
Priggs89
99.99% of players that aren’t fighting for a roster spot don’t run out every single ball in play 100% of the time.
yanks_aaronx3
I do agree with that. However,it was the post season. You are supposed to give it your all. Anything less and you give your opponent an edge. This is not ST or 1st week of April. You want $300mm? Show me what you can do when it really counts
#mannybeingmanny
Cubguy13
What is your point about 99.99% of players don’t hustle 100% of the time? No one is talking about someone not running out a play here or there, or a moment of laziness. Machado pretty much said that’s not him to hustle. More an overall attitude not an isolated event
Priggs89
Perfectly valid argument, and I completely agree. I just find it ridiculous when people act like everyone else is sprinting around the field all the time when it’s clearly not true.
Priggs89
He said it’s not him to FAKE hustle. Sprinting full speed on a pop-up to the first baseman is nothing but show, and that 99.99% of league knows it.
Cam
@Disco Dave if you look at the actual comments he made, he literally said it was his fault, he should have run harder, and that it’s 100% on him.
But for you to know that, you’d have had to read more than the headline.
josechelin
The fact that these athletes are been watched and follow by thousands and even millions of young sport fans makes them role models and parenting has nothing to do with it. Same applies to any celebrity actors etc.
snakesalive1
Amen
YourDaddy
Then you are just not a very smart baseball fan. You can count on the fingers of one hand the number of infielders that are as good as he is.
Paul Heyman
Wow.
stratcrowder
Yes indeed.
BrewCrew1302
Oh calm down with the victim type of response. They are arguing over how many hundreds of millions of dollars this dude is going to make…wish that was the biggest issue in my life/carrer
Smartz1
Maybe the biggest issue with your career is the lack of the ability to spell “career” correctly.
joepanikatthedisco
You are so smart! Thank you so much for using your wisdom to correct the egregious spelling errors which so threaten all of our well-being.
ChiSoxCity
Brew showing off the walnut IQ.
daved
Someone is pizzed that his client isn’t getting the $300M he wanted.
Braveslifer
Exactly, maybe teams include the “hustle” element into their assessment of a player they are targeting.
Strike Four
Yeah considering his client causes billions of dollars to be made for MLB and whatever team he signs for, $300M is actually a bargain.
If only IF ONLY people like you would step back and look at the entire pie of MLB profits, and saw what tiny slice the players are getting and the massive chunk the owners are, then maybe you’d quit buying into the media (that the owners often own too, or at least can influence) focus on player salaries.
FOmeOLS
The problem isn’t the owners getting too much, nor the players getting too little. The problem is the minor leaguers getting nothing at all.
The MLB players don’t need more, not at all.
But the minor leaguers need much more, and that’s where the focus should be. But the MLB players are too selfish. They want 110 and scream “unfair” when they only get 90, while the minor leaguers are delivering pizzas to make ends meet.
Strike Four
fomeols, great point, but also these issues are not connected.
I think both minor leaguers can make more and MLB FA’s can too. Owners are the worst, they control everything and idiot fans eat it up and act like Machado’s money is coming out of their wallet. Anytime a team says “we cant afford this player” they are lying. EVERY time. Sucks barely any fans can see that.
stymeedone
Who’s pocket is his salary coming from then, if not the fans? Please dont say TV, because thats the fans money too.
johnrealtime
The owners pockets. The owners will bring in as much money as they can, this is about whether that money goes to the owner or the players. It’s foolish to think that if the players suddenly made a fraction of what they make now that the owners would lower the cost of everything just as much
Braveslifer
Take your issue up with the players association, they agreed to the rules. I get the profits vs player pay issues, and am sure the negotiations leading into 2021 will have to address that, but we are discussing an agent who knows his client hurt his potential with on the field and off the field actions. He is trying to get his client a “record” contract. At what point do you make it about playing for a winning team and not be narcissistic?
Strike Four
If you’re going for a long term deal, any team can build a contender in 3-4 years. Being a current contender doesn’t mean much in that regard.
It’s not about being “narcissistic” when you only can make money until you are 40. Players have very limited earning windows, and they can lose that window on a single play, or even in their own home, via injury. The risk is too much to care about whether or not you’re joining a current contender.
stymeedone
As the books are closed, everything you say is one sided speculation. Do I believe the players are paid fairly? Yes. I don’t see too many people making $500,000.00 (or more) per year lacking any necessities.
JPADA
Nobody goes to the ballpark to watch Machado play. Most fan don’t even like the guy. Good teams draw fans not good players. No one player makes a team, takes 25+ guys.
lazorko
Strike Four, you’re asserting that 56% of total revenue is a “tiny slice”. And that’s *revenue*, not pretax profit, net, profit, etc. As a percentage of pretax or net profit it would be well north of 56%.
One wonders how you’d define a “fair slice” or “large slice”.
gotothevideotape
Fake News!!
seamaholic 2
I read this is a non-denial denial. “Details of the level of interest of the White Sox” is NOT the same as “details of the White Sox offer”. Olney got that information from someone — he didn’t make it up — and it doesn’t make sense where he would get it other than the White Sox (we can know for sure it wasn’t from Machado’s camp). It’s not clear where else he COULD have gotten it. And what would be the White Sox incentive to misrepresent their offer? This sounds like a frustrated agent not getting what he wants — and what Machado clearly (IMO) deserves.
Cam
You grossly underestimate the lengths a journo/blogger/writer will go to, to sell a story. Saying Olney didn’t make it up is a definite statement about something you cannot be definite about.
Think about it – these guys can say whatever they like under the guise of getting it from “sources”, but never have to divulge any information about that source. Do you think they are going to be operating with integrity all the time? Absolutely not.
The Olney’s of the world are very capable of making things up in order to get hits. They are very capable of pushing a story with loose implications on the whim of a stakeholder that they want to get onside with. They are very capable of tracking down the milkman of the guy who served Manny at the gas station the other day, and call them a source. That’s their job, and there are no repercussions.
Crazytrain10
The milkman that served him at the gas station? Where do you get gas man? And who buys milk at the gas station? Wisconsin? Northeast?
Cam
There’s a good chance the guy who served Manny at the gas station, has a milkman.
Hell, Olney might have tracked down Manny’s cousin’s dog groomer for all we know.
Let your imagination run wild – that’s what Olney & Co do.
stymeedone
@cam
Reporters who fake their sources, WON’T be trusted and will lose there sources. Reporters with no sources are called unemployed. In a shrinking industry, there are most definitely repercussions.
Cam
Who won’t trust them? The people they are selling it to, don’t know the sources, so trust can’t be broken there. The actual sources they do have won’t take the moral high ground on things that don’t involve them, so there’s no trust to lose there. Their Editor’s dominant interest is getting clicks and selling sheets, so there’s no trust to break there.
And even then, a breach of trust is under the assumption people can FIND the breach of trust, and that’s nigh on impossible because the Olney’s of the world are allowed to maintain strict anonymity.
That’s the whole point – they can say what they like, under the guide of passing on information, without having to have any information path in the first place.
Strike Four
How do you know Olney didn’t make it up? Were you there? No? Then DONT make statements like that.
Until these coward writers name their sources specifically, they need to never write about rumors. As a journalist, isn’t the truth your main objective anyway? Why would you deliberately write about rumors other than to hit a word count and make your rent?
yankees500
I can see where he is coming from. I know that he will get trashed on MLB Network and such, I have seen Ken Rosenthal claim that his “reports” are correct numerous times when it turns out later they were not. I can’t believe how frustrating it would be to turn on the TV and see that your client reportedly turn down a contract offer that was never even offered in the first place.
TwinsTrio
Of course he denies it. He’s the one getting paid to convince owners and fans that Machado deserves more. No Johnny-Hustle? No earth-shattering contract.
It’s not that difficult to connect the dots.
Adam6710
I think there’s a LOT of factors holding teams back from offering more than 7 years and $200M. His lack of hustle is not among the top ones, though i’m sure it’s a factor to a lesser degree.
I think his general bad attitude is higher on the list, the fact that he seems to want to play shortstop– a position that robs him of his elite defensive value at third– and of course, the fact that long term mega deals are losing favor among team owners, who have learned that to win, not only do you need great players, but you need roster and financial flexibility.
TwinsTrio
Well said.
stratcrowder
Yes, excellent post.
Adam6710
Excellent observations!
cscd1111
Fake news really sucks.
larry48
Sportswriter copied CNN and NBC if you have nothing just make something up. Who cares it’s lies and made up they were first
ron cey
lol
Adam6710
If the report was truly inaccurate he wouldn’t make a such a long statement.
Strike Four
It’s a statement that covers the utter BS of the trade rumor phenomenon over the last 10 or so years.
pater06
Says you on a trade rumors site. Ironic.
Cam
Horrible logic.
That’s like saying a Lawyer’s defense was too good, so the Client must be guilty.
Adam6710
The phrase “methinks he doth protest too much” springs to mind.
Putting out an official statement feels like a sign of desperation because they’re true, or close to true. Notice he never actually says the dollars and years are wrong, he just says “the reporting is inaccurate.”
It’s like when someone insults your masculinity, only men who are weak or lack confidence feel the need to defend it.
Bad reporting is a part of this business. Always has been. He protests too much, and it says a lot.
swanhenge
Preach Brother!!! I love when the media is called out for bs info.
Go Lozano Go
Joe Kerr
Makes me wonder if the White Sox told false numbers to an associate to see if they are leaking anything.
stratcrowder
That’s as good a theory that I’ve heard. That does happen, and it wouldn’t surprise me if that were the case.
Priggs89
That wouldn’t be the most surprising thing in the world. They generally play it extremely close to the vest, so if someone was leaking stuff, I don’t think they’d be long for the job.
Mike's Trout
lol right on Dan! These writers are lying and trying to manipulate the off-season for their own gains.
Joe Kerr
What do they gain from being wrong?
Mike's Trout
They want to be first with a juicy story. They gain followers, views and that turns to $$
Megatron2005
They don’t want Machado to go to the White Sox. They want him on the Yankees to rival the Red Sox
southbeachbully
That’s a silly idea. Behind closed doors they know the numbers. This does nothing to “fool” the parties involved. It just annoys them. There’s no grand conspiracy to “push” Manny to NY or Boston. Not even sure how that could happen.
Strike Four
They make a living filling word counts, keep up.
Cam
They gain plenty because they are very rarely found to be wrong – as it’s incredibly difficult to dispute the account of a specific source, when the Olney’s of the world never have to reveal the source.
If I say I talked to a guy who knows Tim Dierkes, and that Tim is preparing to sell MLBTR – but I don’t have to tell you who that guy is or any parameters of what he said – it’s incredibly hard to prove that my source is wrong.
And that effect doubles in an industry where Ownership and Agents are generally quiet publicly, and the Player in question doesn’t speak for himself.
The Media is still the wild west – and as long as they can lie without consequence, why would they stop?
jb226
He actually didn’t claim they were lying. He claimed their sources were lying, and described it as the press being manipulated into tampering.
I have no idea what the White Sox did or did not offer to Manny Machado, but I do know that it helps a lot of teams if the only known offer to him is $175MM. Why would anybody offer him anything near $300MM–even if they were prepared to–if they know the offer out there is currently 175?
There are definitely deep-pocketed interests who _could_ be leaking inaccurate information. to affect a player’s market. What the truth is, we don’t know.
Gocubsgo1986
He put that number out there because his client has no real suitors
sufferforsnakes
Yeah…….but he still ain’t signed.
Carrington Spensor
“It’s an emphatic denial of this morning’s reports…..”
Yes.
Too bad you took yet another unsubstantiated rumor, wrote it up and editorialized about it.
Cat Mando
Once it’s verified it’s no longer unsubstantiated or a rumor.
Carrington Spensor
lol
Typical response here…..
The point is that it WASN’T verified…..it was reputed.
That’s what this article is about.
Bill Skiles
Aw, baby Manny not getting enough millions? Aw.
Syndergaarden Cop
No one cares anymore. Just sign somewhere.
xabial
Syndergaarden Cop — For once, we’re in agreement.
trace
Drama follows Johnny Hustle, shocking.
twinkietime
I wonder if he is working the thought of going to the White Sox as leverage to increase the contract offer from the Phillies. That maneuver only works if the Phillies don’t know the limits of the White Sox. Whoops…
Juggy
Hahahahaha and they say meaning Bob and Buster. But they are like I speculated complete Buffoons
evilempire28
Hard to believe Manny is going to rot with the Whitesox for the next 7-8 years. He’ll demand a trade in 3 years.
Brad Vanderberg
My point exactly. But let him rot. Guys a punk and a loser. Fits right in with the White Sox and Kelvin Herrera another punk. Would be fun seeing them loding and getting ejected multiple times on a horrible club night after night.
05whitesox
Hey dingleberries. Theres this thing called a rebuild. The Cubs and Astros did it. Worked out for them. The White Sox are next.
Crazytrain10
The white sox will be good in a few years if Moncada gets better, kopech and giolito work out (right now kopech can’t find the k zone) and I do think Jimenez is about a sure thing. Roberts should be good too. But problem is they will not get manny if they can’t or won’t offer more than 200. The Phillies or Yankees will see that bargain and swoop in and offer at least 225 and call it a 75 mil off deal. Guaranteed.
Priggs89
Kopech walked 8 guys in his last ~72 innings. I think that’s a large enough sample size to say he figured something out. Now he just needs to get healthy and HOPEFULLY back to top form.
Megatron2005
Your lack of knowledge on the white sox and the AL Central is hilarious. White Sox don’t have any team to challenge them in 2020.
southbeachbully
Seriously. How do you know where the Sox will be in 2020? With the players they have under control I wouldn’t be shocked to see the Indians repeat again.
macstruts
The White Sox current team stinks. The current staff doesn’t have as much potential as you think. No one misses bats and that is unlikely to change.
Basically you are depending on your minor leagues to be stars. Maybe they will happen. But not in 2020, that’s too soon and the talent on the current roster will not help all that much. However, they have a chance to be really good in the years that follow that. But 2020 is too soon.
jbigz12
WS have no team to challenge them in 2020? That’s about the most asinine comment I’ve ever heard. You have a team full of prospects and a few young major leaguers. None of which have broken out thus far. Cleveland still has Bauer, Carrasco, Clevinger and Kluber under contract. They’re the favorites for the next 2 years barring a complete dismantling
ChiSoxCity
Every team that’s been down for recently gets the loser treatment until they start winning. The Nats, Astros and Cubs were considered a joke until they their prospects started producing. That said, the ugliness directed toward the White Sox by Cubs fans (of all people) and Yankees fans has been off the charts. It will be sweet facing those clubs in particular in a few years.
Priggs89
OMG. Inferiority complex. OMG. Cubs fans don’t even care about the White Sox.
RushUFO
That is completely false.
Cub fans find it impossible to ignore the White Sox.
They are still jealous of the Sox 2005 World Series sweep of the Astros
FOmeOLS
Hmmmm
“Methinks thou dost protest too much.”
TwinsTrio
Absolutely.
fasbal1
I wish they both would sign, they have milked this story for all it’s worth, fake or not fake..
southpaw2153
Ah, the sweet smell of desperation.
Michael Fan
Must have been pretty close to true or his agent wouldn’t have freaked out like this. Buster usually is pretty accurate and what would be his motivation?
Strike Four
Anyone who follows this site knows for a fact that journalists routinely make up rumors to fill word counts, it’s how the “mystery team” was invented for crying out loud. Lozano is doing something all agents should have done years ago calling out this utter crap.
Until writers sack up and name their sources, they need to not post rumors, period. I, like many others, are sick of this crap. Just let us fans know when teams and players are nearing the finish line, nothing more or less.
Newspeaks
Naming sources, sometimes loses sources.
stymeedone
@ strike 4
Repeating yourself over and over is not necessary. This is a rumor site, or do you need help understanding that?
jb226
“I don’t want rumors!” — guy hanging out in the comment section of a rumor site.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
There has been a sharp increase in people who seem to think the world should be reshaped to suit them as opposed to them being able to navigate it.
stubby66
Face it Manny your not as great as you think you are plus you hurt your stock more then you want to admit with your childish antics. If I’m a team there is no way I would commit long term money to someone who cant act properly. if you and your agent dont like it go get a real job then like the rest of the hard working people that pay a lot to watch baseball
Strike Four
Hey genius, Manny does not read comment sections made by people who lack basic logic and reasoning skills aka sports fans.
bravesfan
175 mill sounds way off the estimate. Kinda had a feeling that wasn’t accurate. But I’m ready for this junk to end and these players to be on teams already. I’m really for baseball
sportsfan101
Blah blah blah another agent trying to raise his players value. If you wanna be like that, tell everyone what offers are truly there? Or stfu. I’m sick of these cocky agents going to the next level accusing others of xyz yet still refusing to give out any true offers to prove the rumors wrong
JPADA
It’s against the rules to use the media for negotiating. If they do I’m assuming there would be consequences. That’s why you don’t see reporters giving up sources, those sources could be in serious trouble if they’re caught leaking offers.
Jimmie Foxx
Boras uses Heyman all the time. He doesn’t have to name the source it’s so obvious.
gotothevideotape
OK, MLB just mentioned live the same deal as the one denied, so LOL, I believe no one.
Megatron2005
Machado doesn’t deserve over 200 million for the Johnny Hustle comments and dogging it in the World Series. Too bad his ego and agent don’t get that.
sportsfan101
Sad comments need to now be approved bc of all the snowflakes and trolls on this site ruining it for the rest of us…
RATTY
Now it’s getting entertaining….time to Hustle 175M….truth hurts sometimes.
Gordon Lightfoot
The media created this “$400 million” market for Harper & Machado, despite the idea standing in direct contrast to recent free agent trends (particularly last off-season). There’s no basis in reality for the $400 million – it’s a made-up number unsupported by market trends. However, Lozano had no issue with the inflated number until now – telling.
Strike Four
The media did not create it, MLB’s profits did.
Why can’t you ever see the forest from the trees on this? It’s infuriating.
Gordon Lightfoot
If MLB profits created the market, then the market would be flooded with offers for both players as $400 million would be industry standard on such talent. Re-read that sentence again, Strike Four, you so thoroughly missed the point the first go-round, I can only assume this will take you a few tries.
stymeedone
@strike4
Please, oh please, tell us all how much profit MLB made last year, and reveal your source. You must have privileged sources since its not public information.
julyn82001
Still Player will be Grossly over paid at 170mm…
mj-2
Pretty much confirmed to the world 7/175 is the only offer he has at the moment with that statement
diehardcubfan 2
Why would anyone want to sign a selfish player like Manny ?
When has he been this superstar mega talent everyone is talking about.
I never saw watching his career. Yes he’s a good player. Speed is declining. Good power for a 3b. A butcher at SS.
But no “I want to choose my position”. What a team guy. No thanks.
Whoever signs him will regret it in two years as he starts his decline and will be forced back to 3b.
Who else sees Miguel Cabrera and Albert Pujols today. Still owed 100 million each. Sure Detroit and Anaheim are enjoying that sin championships.
Dbird777
I wish years ago we’d have traded Votto to the Padres in the Latos deal. (And got Rizzo in return, as well., a month b4 u guys traded for him)
We’d have had a bunch of young talent in Anthony, Alonso, Grandal and Boxberger, all the while having the money to be players in the free agent market every year after.
Priggs89
2015, 2016, and 2018 – all of which were more valuable than your beloved Javy Baez’s 2018. I’m sure you’d have no problem calling him a superstar mega talent though.
carlote
who cares
Dbird777
Lmfao. Like this WASN’T a PR stunt designed to garner sympathy for Machado. I’m sure Lozano knows nothing about it
qbass187
Oh pleeeeeeease. ::eyeroll::
jcanose
He’s with the White Sox. They just mad he couldn’t sign for more and no one else was really after him besides Philly and they want Harper.
Ravinski
The agents for Harper and Machado thought they were going to get the most lucrative contracts ever given to MLB players. Owners, at least to date, have apparently finally realized that 10-year contracts simply don’t make sense and other long-term contracts have demonstrated this. Neither player is a generational talent that would warrant such a financial investment. The agents will predictably claim “collusion” when in fact it is much more likely that owners are using common sense. They will also claim that there are one or more “mystery” teams interested in their clients. I would believe Olney, Rosenthal and others far more than I would ever believe an agent, especially Boras, who negotiates in the media all the time.
albearrrr
Bad knees.
Bad attitude.
Bad sportsmanship.
Selfishness.
Pedestrian def at SS.
No longer a top 5 player at 3B.
Wants the highest contract ever.
Why arent teams lining up for this guy?
johnnyringofwc
I had a feeling this would happen when I saw the report this morning. First thing I thought was, other teams are going to be loving this news and his agent is going to freak.
Did Machado just lose $100 to $125 million with this news report today?
stymeedone
Only if he ends up taking a pay cut. Cant take a loss on money you never had. I still expect him to get a raise.
Yeti
Although he’s not wrong, this comes off as pure obsession and almost desperation. Rumors did not start this off-season, or even in baseball alone. This is crybaby stuff; an agent that had already counted every last one of his chickens and lashing out that it has slipped away (and now the world knows).
Thronson5
As much as I dislike Manny, there is no denying his talent not only with the bat but he’s actually a pretty damn good fielder and has a good arm as well even although I’ve heard people say he isn’t that good of a shortstop and I don’t dig into stats like some people do as far as all that WAR stuff and errors and all that, I just know what I see when I watch him play and his batting average, home runs, on base percentage and run batted are the o lot stats I really have paid attention to but my point is that he’s young and he’s a good all around player and as much as I don’t like the guy for how he doesn’t hustle I can say any team would be lucky to have him because of the production he puts out so to read that report this morning about 7 years and 175 million I was really shocked and thought there was no way that was the best offer he had gotten or will get. Maybe they did offer that but there’s no way that’s the best he can do. If guys who aren’t as good as him and older than him can get better contracts than that he can too so I’m goad to see his agent come out and say something. The man deserves to get paid and someone will pay him. Hopefully it happens soon though, these two big free agents are kind of holding up the market not just in free agency but potential trades as well. I’m still shocked not many teams are in on Harper and Machado though, if the reports are true at all about only a couple teams talking to them because these are two of the biggest free agents we’ve seen in a while it seems to me that aren’t returning to their teams and it was reported all over the place that at least half the league would be going after these guys. I don’t get it. What’s even more shocking is the Dodgers, Yankees and Red Sox all haven’t really been serious suitors for either of them and usually when a big name comes out that’s all you hear is that one of those 3 teams are pushing hard for them. I just hope this all ends soon..I was really thinking by the end of this week and now I’m not sure.
albearrrr
Noone is talking how the pissing contest between Lozado and Boras to get a top contract is causing the rest of FA to dwindle!
SouthsideCub
Read Lozano into some shady stuff himself..
MartinH
The “level of interest” reported had the potential of lowering any other offers being contemplated so the agent felt compelled to respond. The fact that Machado remains unsigned is itself evidence that Machado’s demands have not been accepted. The agent can’t deny that.
baseball365
As much as I applaud Dan Lozano for speaking up and representing his client, as I would do the same, and have for mine, but in a different industry, I can’t help but feel this is a byproduct of the absurdly slow pace of negotiations. In some ways, Lozano, Machado and the same for Harper and Boras are in maybe a once in a lifetime predicament; both players have been massively overvalued. Now you’re in the position of trying to fill that gap of what the market really bears with what I consider to this day, totally unrealistic forecasts. So in some ways, the media is guilty as charged, not for the more recent rumors, etc — that’s fine, I guess, but the fact for years they’ve been talking up these two players like they were $400M and $500M players. People are delirious if you think that.
I said it way back that Machado should top out at around $275M over 8 years, which would make him the highest paid position player in baseball and Harper at 9 years and $300M – he gets more in total value, but a little less annually. Even then, I think at both these prices, teams are paying a buyers premium. The only player present day that could top Stanton would be Trout. And now that won’t even happen because he’ll be 28 close to 29 by the time he’s a free agent and probably lock something up for 6-7 years at $30M per, which is $200M.
slowcurve
The press are liars, agents are liars, I’m a liar, Manny Machado is a liar, the entire staff at LaQuinta Inn is a bunch of liars, and…hear me out on this…you’re adopted. -Dan Lozano
Scrap1ron
So what percentage of a player’s contract do agents get? Seems the “stupid money” isn’t as lucrative as it used to be. Ownership has been burned too many times by the Jason Heywards of the league to commit long term for such a large sum. Can’t blame them.
ron cey
I want the player but not the person
Jordan 5
Oh the silent collusion on the owners part. There just aren’t that many teams lining up to lay down 300+million on a 7 or 10 year deal. No long term deal beyond 7 years has been beneficial for any team. This cripples some teams in the future and now Machado being the Non hustling guy he chooses to be is in a position where the teams are limited to fork out that cash. Good luck manny.
Black&Orange&Silver
Agree with you on this one. If I were an Agent or a Player I wouldn’t be as greedy with the years and focus more on the AAV. Look at the NBA. Kevin Durant will make plenty of money the rest of his career and get to choose the best situation for himself each year or 2. Loyalty isn’t there anymore. Not from the Players and obviously not from the Teams. If Manny or Bryce walked up and said they would take 3 years $105mm with no opt out, they would both be choosing between 5+ teams and would be signed today.
baseball365
It will never be proven, but I absolutely think you’re correct. Whether implied or there is actually a joint effort at work, teams are reseting the market. Period.
gmenfan
Apparently somebody just calculated what their commission on $175M would be …
K R Stemen
The toughest thing about both Machado and Harper will be how their massive contracts will be broken down. 40% will be for their ability and services. The other 60% will be very hard to break down between their egos and the massive ego if their agent. They started playing the “free agent” card out in the public at the crack of dawn after the World series. I sure hope they take a few moments to reflect on how the massive contract demands played out last year….
Cam
Big deals are still out there. I mean, Hosmer got nearly $150mil FFS.
stymeedone
They started to play out the free agent drama years ago, with talk of how this would be the best group “ever”.
YourDaddy
Lozano just verified everything I said earlier. For all of you who said that I was wrong, in your face.
slider32
What’s a matter Dan, you couldn’t spin it your way?
Jockstrapper
Blah blah blah. Lie lie lie.
msqboxer
Will be interesting if there is a response from Olney or Nightingale…I believe Lozano would have released the info through a back channel to get more teams interested.
harmoney101575
if the agent wanted to lie…. all he would have had to do is release that the mystery team has offered x amount for x years….
3eyedjohnny
An agent or Buster O? I will stick with Buster…
Airstud69
Machado was clearly an over-rated player when he arrived at Dodger Stadium!!! After watching his performance with the Dodgers, Corey Saeger is a major upgrade to Machado for 2019!!! Corey Saeger is a much better player Period!!!
Empire Exoticz
So basically you projected the rest of his career base on the games he played with the Dodgers?
Fanof29teams
Fake news.
PinstripedPride
Dan Lozano is in full damage control mode. The offer was nowhere near what he wanted, and he’s angry. I can’t say if it really was $175 million, but I definitely know it wasn’t $275 or $300 million, because Machado would be off the market
cawa
There’s a reason why it is called MLBTradeRumors.
ken48tribe
Perish the thought that the owners would collude! Who woulda thunk it?
But seriously, maybe the best thing that could happen would be that both Harper and Machado remain unsigned beyond the start of the regular season. Wishful thinking but why not?
terror661
No one cares Manny. We all watched the playoffs.
Backatitagain
Saw no denial here. No wonder poor Manny not getting the offers he wants. Better get another agent.
bobtillman
Of COURSE the owners collude. They golf at the same resorts, dine at the same restaurants, hang out with the same crowd. Once in a while a maverick like Veck or Finley or Steinbrenner comes along, but for the most part these are folks that are part of the same culture.
It’s already been decided how much Manny and Harper are going to get. Or at least the parameters have been agreed on. And frankly, there are no more mavericks left. As Veck famously said “I’m the last dinosaur in a forest where there are no more trees””.
That said, I’m a bit surprised at Onley; Nightingale’s been nothing but an echo chamber for owners for 20 years. But I always thought Buster was more straight arrow.
But the Lords have miscalculated here. Harper/Machado has gone from being a source of speculation to becoming a pain in the azz. I for one don’t care where either winds up. As my high school friend Bill Shakespeare said, “A pox on both their houses”…(I told you I was old)…..
Megatron2005
Manny had a real shot at 300 million until the NLCS. His boneheaded moves and comments showed other GMs he’s not a leader, classy, or to be trusted. They all realized this and now Lozano is mad because he’s put it together.
Bubba 5
AKA I am not very good at my J.O.B. and Manny making a Jerk of himself during the playoffs has officially killed his market and I am forcing the blame on others.
sfjim2279
Sounds like something Scott Boras would say….
#justsayin
swinging wood
IMO, Boras is too smart to have this kind of public emotional blowup. He’s been fairly close, but this is just too transparent to help his client.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Team have, perhaps, figured out that if a guy can’t be bothered to hustle in the World Series days before he becomes a free agent, that’s probably not going to improve after he’s given a few hundred million on a guaranteed long term deal.
yanks02026
7/175 is probably what the offer really is.. But hes pissed that the info got released because now it gives him no leverage to get Machado the 300-325 that they originally wanted in the beginning. So hes trying to act like the info is fake and that its all the medias fault with #fakenews.
butch779988
The agent is lying
privy
Frustration on the agents part. His client Machado wanted the Yankees, Machado’s wife wanted the Yankees and now they know the Yankees have taken themselves out of the equation. So he has to settle for the Phillies or Whitesox. This is not what they expected when free agency began.
its_bigger
This agent is losing his mind. Not a good quality in an agent. He goes into this offseason thinking he has a $300MM contract coming to his client with his percentage being life changing as well. He’s been offered a little more than half and Machado is probably pestering him hourly about what’s going on. Everytime the Yankees sign another utility infielder his blood pressure goes up a little. This agent is starting to decompensate
Yankeepatriot
The Yankees have machado’s agent right where they want him
I love how cashman has gotten flack for being “cheap” and yet nobody has spent money on the big two so why is he getting heat ? He knows the market for both players is almost dead right now so he can swoop in when it’s the right time. He’s been in the game since he was an intern in the 80’s and he knows a heck of a lot more than the arm chair GM’s on here
baseball365
Correct, but does Machado have a chip on his shoulder if he signs for $175M considering teams are silently colluding to reset the market? Yanks would indirectly be a reason for the reduced contract. At this point, even if the price is $175M and the Yanks have that opportunity, I think they should just pass overall. It’s effectively Jan 17th and I really don’t like where this is heading at this point. Andujar has spent the last 3 months hustling his ass working to get better. Stick with the kid now that you have a stacked infield with Didi back after AS break.
Yankeepatriot
Andujar doesn’t have to be traded for manny to be here. I don’t want the kid traded either
harmoney101575
DUDE… F#%K the Yankees…. Everything is not about the Yankees! I live in NY… you fans have to be the most annoying in all of the sports universe.
Let me guess…. they are signing both Machado and Harper now! they are also trading for Trout
Yankeepatriot
Well let’s see, machado has been linked a ton to the Yankees so to not discuss them in this topic is silly. And no I don’t think they will sign both
Take your bitter self elsewhere and let the adults talk baseball
harmoney101575
im not bitter… i find it hilarious that for every rumor that goes out about harper and machado … there are 100 yankee fans that immediately say “NOW WE GOT EM”
The truth is, they were never in the running for harper and with Machado, they bowed out weeks ago when they signed tulo….. they went further out when they singend DJ.
Maybe if they didnt sign those other players already there would be a possibility… they cant void those contracts now. No team is gonna take any of their bad contracts (ellsbury etc) to help them so they can sign a big name now…
There is no way that any of this gets either player to the yankees… maybe it opens the door for another team like the angels, padres, or some other dark horse… but the yankees and mets have made their moves already…. the only move they have left in them is trading sonny gray IF THAT.
Yankeepatriot
Well both of them are still out there for the taking so until they are off the board you can’t say neither will be here. All we can do is wait as this boring off season continues
Yankeepatriot
Also DJ was told to “bring a lot of gloves” so he will not just play one position
harmoney101575
#DELUSIONAL…. would you bet money that they will sign 1? I would totally put 5k down saying they dont!
I wish sportsbook had that option right now LMAO…. but it wouldnt be a good bet anyway bcuz the odds would be stacked against the NY TEAMS signing 1 as well
harmoney101575
“Bring alot of Gloves” my point exactly…
They have 8 infielders on guaranteed contracts right now… they would not sign another 1 to make 9
Michael Fan
How do you know the Yanks are out on either player? Did you hear they were in on DJ, no they just signed him. They don’t have a bunch of bad contracts other than Ellsbury which is off the books in 2 years. That also have another 30 to 50 million coming off in 2 years so if they wanted either player they could get them. Fact is maybe they just don’t want them or maybe just waiting out the market. Not knowing is driving everyone crazy. So let’s just see what happens. By the way it was the Angels that signed Albert Pujols to the worst contract ever.
harmoney101575
they have no spot for him…. where is he gonna play? you can keep living in fantasy land… but reality is ALL NY TEAMS ARE OUT. It doesnt take a genius to know this
Michael Fan
They have ss and 3rd, they could send Andujar to triple A and release Tulo. Harper could play left and Gardner is the 4th outfielder. If they want to they can. There were several injuries last year so having depth is a good thing. If MM really is at 7/175 every baseball team should be involved.
harmoney101575
#ridiculous Andujar to triple A… thats what I am talking about… Yankee fans are crazy…. They could also change their uniforms, team name, and only go to the plate with polka dot bats… BUT THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN JUST LIKE MANNY OR BRYCE COMING TO THE YANKEES THIS YEAR
LMAO!!!!!!
Kelly Wunsch N' Munch
Cub “fans” are right up there with them in terms of annoyance level. But yes, most the Yankee fan base has been pretty lame.
Matthew De Lorge
Well said! No layer has broken the bank this offseason, with the delusional players still lingering out there. Most of the contracts signed to this point have been reasonable for both parties involved.
The agents feeling the need to constantly breaks records is dumb and another reason this is happening. They keep talking about Stanton’s contract yet Stanton was signed by the Marlins for different reasons, and wasn’t a free agent. Trying to “best” his deal is ridiculous and I really do hope, when all is said and done, that neither gets 10 years, or 300+ million. The Nats may do both with Bryce even though he isn’t worth it based on his inconsistency and ONE great overall season since coming into the league.
harmoney101575
i dont think the nats have the money anymore to do 10 – 300
Z-A 2
over promise under deliver
raef715
this off-season is torture. it used to be fun. im a Phils fan and at this point i almost don’t care how this thing ends- sure, signing a big money FA would help the team, but i dont like either one of these guys;
just get it over with. wish i could hibernate through this winter- wake me up when spring training starts, though who knows, harper and machado might still be unsigned.
Empire Exoticz
I would like to ask all the Machado hators how much money are they going to make if he doesn’t get 200 million? Seriously, why would anyone celebrate a players getting less money? That is just jealousy. Now, this is totally separate from this drama here.
Megatron2005
Maybe because Machado doesn’t deserve the 300 million asking price. GMs want the player, not the person.
bballaddict
I personally think that the rise of Analytics in baseball has as much to do with the chilled market as anything else when it comes to long term contracts.
It’s old news that every player loses their abilities with age but now Teams can be virtually certain that will occur at or near the age 32 season.
I simply can’t be upset at any owner not wanting to pay “Willie Mays on the Giants” salary for “Willie Mays on the Mets” performance.
Any Angels Fans out there feeling any love for Albert Pujols right about now?
Arguably there is financial merit in retaining Iconic Players past their prime vis a vis fannies in the seats, merchandising, etc, but those players are few and far between.
Perhaps Harper can be that type of player but I cannot imagine Machado being one based on the persona he has created.
My money is on Lozano being in full blown CYA mode in order to minimize the fall out from misreading Manny’s potential market so poorly.
hswhitak
“Hope that others *will*”. If you’re gonna throw down, proofread. #GrammarGotchu
Matthew De Lorge
The players livelihoods? What a joke! Listened to an interview with Reggie Jackson scoffing at players who go for every last dollar, saying after $20 million you couldn’t possible NEED any more.
When I hear agents talking as if the players are starving it drives me up a wall. This statement didn’t do Manny any favors with the public. Keep digging guys, keep digging….
iH8PaperStraws
Wake up people. Baseball has. Machado and Harper are not Betts and Trout. The previous’ two values have dropped because neither are top 5 any more and may not be top 10. Just because the media has trained you to think 400m over the last 3 years, last year showed you, they will both get well less. Small contract at higher AAV is in their best interest.
Rickey O'Sunnyvale
Good for Lozano.
top jimmy
Aww, poor Manny. I feel so sorry for him … NOT! Screw him. He’s not worth as much as he thought he was. Get over it. There are worse fates than being offered $175M.
Fanof29teams
He will make more than you lol
top jimmy
Yes, but I won’t be a whiny crybaby about it like he is.
seth3120
I get that Machado has a lot of haters maybe with good reason but I would be shocked if the Yankees have basically moved on and the Phil’s haven’t topped an offer of 175 million. The key with Machado and Harper unlike free agents in the past is their youth. Athletes in general aren’t sure things but if you are trying to pay for what a guy will do vs what he’s done paying for a guys mid twenties to his lower to mid thirties is enticing. I get the knock on him but hate the comparisons to other mega deals signed by thirty one and thirty two year old players paying them until forty one or forty two. Just not what’s going on here
jorge78
Covering his tracks…..
bluewest
“Livelihoods.” LOL.
George Vasios
BREAKING NEWS! Machado fires Lozano, hires Scott Boras!
soxtober05
So…if Olney’s report was “fake news” (as Lozano so eloquently phrased), WHY is MLBTR still holding the 7/175 story line from earlier? Maybe it’s possible that it ISN’T as fake as Lozano claims….
axisofhonor25
FAKE NEWS!
yes
I applaud Lovano. Now I want Kluber’s agent to go after the beat reporters for the Reds, Padres, and Indians. What’s particularly disappointing is that Cleveland’s mlb.com writer is brand new and not exactly endearing herself to me. .
Djones246890
I’m sure Olney and Nightengale are 1000% accurate in their reporting. Lozano is just mad because that report might influence other GM’s to lower their offers. Thus, less money for Machado and Lozano.
These agents are gonna have to start realizing that a bit of an invisible ceiling has been hit, and owners have wised up. I mean, did we really want to see a day where players are getting a half a BILLION dollar?!?
Thomas Walker
You would rather the owners make that kinda money than the players? I just don’t get the people that side with billionaire owners over players. When you own the company, you damn sure get to do what you want, but if you cut costs and go with a cheaper product, your business will suffer. Rooting for the owners is downright ridiculous.
Matthew De Lorge
Anyone that can put themselves in the shoes of the owners can sympathize with them more than the players. Employees shouldn’t be demanding to be paid what they want, and then whining when it doesn’t happen.
How would you like to own a rental home and have people who come to look at it demand you drop the price $200 and whine when you tell them it’s market value.
Players don’t “deserve” half of the revenues. If the free market allows them to be paid, great, but agents like Lozano and Boras demanding money to feed their egos so they can break records with players who simply don’t deserve to break said records is dumb, and the boring winter signing season is the result.
Players want free agency to move faster, have agents not hold the biggest clients well into February in a market that won’t bear what they want. This will allow those who are waiting for them to sign to set the market to sign sooner and stop this fake news that the players aren’t getting paid enough.
Harper is flawed because he hasn’t been consistent, and his ego and rep is bigger than his production.
Manny dug his own grave saying he wouldn’t hustle AND he let it out how badly he wanted to go to the Yankees.
its_happening
All a set up.
He gets the media pawns to release the information, telling them ahead of time he’s going to hammer them in a statement afterward pretending to be mad. In exchange, Lozano sets up future exclusives and additional information with other clients.
Example: media person will get the first exclusive sit-down with Albert Pujols if he breaks a record or surpasses someone on an all-time list or retires.
The leak is staged IF one of the guys land exclusives with Lozano’s clients this season.
cwsOverhaul
If the real WSox 7yr initial offer was at least 200 (as opposed to 175), it has reached the point where they should professionally inform the agent they are going to pull it on Friday. They have had plenty of time to get others to offer better and that total guarantee is not an insult. If it really was lower than 200, can see where agent in a spot and Sox could just quietly be surprised no one has even hinted at topping it. Machado is really good, but they have self-inflicted unrealistic total $ expectations they gladly floated out. He should also get off the whole playing SS point, because it is selfish when he is below average, yet perfectly upper tier when it comes to 3B. Hope they get him and maybe sweeten something for them to “save face”, but otherwise player needs their interest more in this case. Getting multiple good players next offseason via FA and trade was always a solid alternative anyhow versus the “big splash”.
Jimmie Foxx
You can’t trust what the players agent says anymore than what reporters write. It’s funny, the agent whines about the reports then guys like Not as uses the Heymans of the world to report false information to help his clients.
Jimmie Foxx
Boras*. Not sure why it auto corrected to Not.
TwinsTrio
Nice username by the way. Foxx would have been amazing to watch.
And about the auto correction, that seems to happen often. What I don’t understand is why when we respond to someone’s post, it often doesn’t put it as a response to that person but instead with that person.
But you are right, agents often use the media to try and garner a big contract, but they hate when smaller offers like the WSox leaks out.
msqboxer
All you need to know about Machado’s agent…. deadspin.com/5861982/dan-lozano-albert-pujolss-sup…
stratcrowder
18 hours after this article was posted, I just heard ESPN Radio STILL reporting that the White Sox made the offer. Credibility?….or lack thereof. How did that old saying go, believe nothing of what hear and half of what you see? Yeps.
driftcat28 2
This rebuke probably proves Manny’s highest offer is 7/175 and Lozano is mad that it got out. So it’s smart to deny it in hopes teams will bid Avery high. Wouldn’t be surprised if Manny signs for around $200 M
George Vasios
S’Funny, I’m old enough to remember that a ballplayer would sell his own mother for 7yrs/$175 mil. in the 80’s and 90’s. Now that amount is looked upon as chump change.
ASapsFables
Immediately after reading Dan Lozano’s statement I had this take on it. I didn’t question the 7 years as much as the $175MM total contract value. Most every rumor has had the number of years at 7 outside of the 8 that ESPN’s Jeff Passan reported recently that seemed to spur the Buster Olney and Bob Nightengale tweets. My belief is that the White Sox official offer had a much higher AAV than the $25MM suggested by Olney and Nightengale, more in the $30-$35MM range that would put the total value of the contract between $210-245MM which would also vindicate Bruce Levine’s earlier story that the team’s bid was closer to $200MM than the $300MM+ which Machado and his agent were seeking.
Happy2Engage
To quote the President the newso es falso.
Rex Block
* noticias estan falsas