The latest rumors from around the majors…
- The Braves, who are seeking outfield help, contacted the Mariners about Mitch Haniger and the Diamondbacks regarding David Peralta, Gabe Burns of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports. However, Atlanta was turned away in both cases, per Burns. It’s unclear how far those discussions went, but with the Mariners in a full rebuild and the Diamondbacks seemingly going backward, it’s unsurprising the Braves showed interest in Haniger and Peralta. The soon-to-be 28-year-old Haniger is unquestionably among the most valuable outfielders in the game, considering both his on-field performance and four remaining years of team control – including another pre-arb season. As you’d expect, general manager Jerry Dipoto would need to be “blown away” to trade Haniger, FOX Sports’ Ken Rosenthal says (video link). Peralta, meanwhile, was similarly outstanding in 2018, but he’s neither as youthful (31) nor as controllable as Haniger. Peralta has a pair of arb-eligible years left, and is projected to earn an affordable $7.7MM in 2019.
- With Dodgers outfielder Yasiel Puig possibly on the outs in Los Angeles, the Mets figure to at least inquire on the 28-year-old, Mike Puma of the New York Post reports. Puig would give the Mets another right-handed outfielder, which is on general manager Brodie Van Wagenen’s wish list, without having to make a long-term commitment. He’s only under control for another year, at a projected $11.3MM.
- Free-agent right-hander Lance Lynn is among Plan B starting options for the Yankees, Mark Feinsand of MLB.com reported this week. Per Feinsand, New York was “engaged with” Lynn even before another of its potential free-agent possibilities, Nathan Eovaldi, re-signed with Boston. The Yankees and Lynn are already familiar with each other, as the Bombers acquired the 31-year-old from the Twins last July and benefited from his presence down the stretch. Lynn totaled 54 1/3 innings of 4.14 ERA/2.17 FIP pitching with superb strikeout and walk rates (10.1 K/9, 2.3 BB/9) as a member of the Yankees, but that came after he underwhelmed as a Twin. Thanks in part to his unimpressive Minnesota stint, Lynn’s projected to collect a much less expensive contract than Eovaldi and former Yankee target/newly minted National Patrick Corbin have received this offseason.
If the Yankees settle for Lance Lynn, they will be lucky to make the playoffs this year.
At this point, I believe the Rays can beat them out.
Cash out-managed Boone so badly head-to-head in 2018 that it was actually comical to watch. As did just about all AL managers (Boonie needs a crack at Davey Martinez and Gabe Kapler).
If Cashman does not bring in another quality starter, that team will again wilt in June-July. And bringing in Machado will create more problems then it will solve.
Lot’s of time left in the off-season, and multiple moves will be made in-season. That’s why we watch.
But watching Boone manage is something. Totally inexperienced. No feel for the game at all and especially for handling pitchers. Rothschild was almost totally ineffective as a pitching coach in 2018. While – like Don Cooper of the White Sox – he totally understands his profession, he doesn’t seem to be getting through to most of the younger pitchers.
Are you just a yankee hater or do you actually believe the nonsense you were writing.
He’s Just a spoiled Yankees fan who’s used to getting every major FA out there. Welcome back to the pack with everyone else in the league.
They can afford anyone in the market they just haven’t yet they are not like everyone else
All of the above.
The Yankees are nothing special. They have to outbid everyone to land their guys. Just like every other team.
Better you spend more of your time watching Yankees players like Judge, Stanton, Andujar and others who are infinitely superior to the professional mediocrity the Devil Rays field, rather than obsessing over which team has the “better” manager.
And dude, you want to infer the Yanks don’ have a rotation…take a look at what Tampa trudges out to the mound every day other than Snell. Surely, you don’t think that gimmic of using a reliever to begin a game will last into this next season? All a team like the Yankees has to do is reverse it’s lineup and bat 9, 8 and 7 as lead off and put 1, 2, and 3 later or scramble the lineup to keep the best hitters from seeing the reliever starting the game.
But do keep on trying to convince others your sorry excuse for a team, which was fortunate to win as many as it won last year, will ever win more than the Yankees. I do, however, recommend you not bother holding tour breathe in anticipation of it happening. Wouldn’t want you see just how foolish your exuberance truly is.
Yet hope indeed springs eternal. Being a fan for the Devil Rays, however, means all you will ever have is hope. Cause your owner is satisfied pocketing the huge profits he makes every year, rather than putting the money into the team. His gain, YOUR loss. Sure, you may have the better manager, but the Yankees have the far superior talent. Which is why even though shackled by Boone’s inexperience, the Yanks STILL won 100 games and will win more than that this year. Meanwhile, Cash will be fortunate to guide the sorry Tampa team to 80 wins this year.
I’ll be sure to send you World Series postcards from New York, next October.
You know his post was at least reasonable, you were just being a jerk.
You really think the Mets are going to the WS next year? Because the rag-arms the Yankees call a rotation, none of them could crack the Sox top 5, or Cleveland’s, or Houston’s….you starting to see a trend here? Severino has a decent arm, but can’t pitch, gets pounded early and often. Tanaka’s arm is gonna fall off any moment, and CC will be drawing Medicaid before he ever sees another Playoff game. He’s nearing retirement age and that Social Security check as it is. And THOSE are your top 3. 4 and 5 are probably throwing peanuts in the upper deck right now.
Such dreamers, you can’t make this stuff up
I think your idea of putting the 7,8,9 (or the worst hitters) at the top of the lineup is absolutely comical as a “solution” to the “opener” that, I predict, a lot more teams are going to be using soon. Because, really, you’re going to ensure your worst hitters get the most plate appearances in a game? Especially in the AL with 3-man benches? Yeah; that’s a bad look and a terrible idea.
No, Tampa can’t mint money like the Yankees can; sure they could spend more on payroll but all teams could – literally every owner in baseball is a billionaire (or close to it) and makes a profit. But they play in one of the worst stadiums in baseball with no real hope of fixing that anytime soon. Because starting pitchers make huge salaries relative to the number of games they have an impact in (28-30 a season for most), it’s smart of teams like Tampa to look into new ways of constructing a pitching staff on the cheap. And they’ll still be good this year; if they didn’t play in the same division as the Yanks and Red Sox they’d be in much better shape.
The AL East has three of the smartest front offices in baseball, two of which have almost unlimited budgets and one of which decidedly does not. The O’s, which have the worst front office in baseball (and pretty much no advanced analytics department to speak of) also have a real profound ability to spend money, but they spend it on guys like Davis and Trumbo. Toronto is just building out its analytics department now but is hampered by the second-worst stadium in the game.
@ Paul Wooten. Severino and his decent arm had a decent era. Strange for a pitcher who gets “pounded early and often”. I have been waiting for Tanaka’s arm to fall off for years. Just because Sabathia isn’t a young power pitcher anymore, you feel like he should be retired? He continues to get the job done. If you were a baseball fan and not just a yankee hater you could see that. You make it sound like they all have ERA north of 4 and spend most of the season on the DL. Grow up. Sounds like recess all over again. Your team is the worst and mine is the best.
Shaking up the batting lineup / order to combat relief pitchers!? Never thought of that. Brilliant.
That’s literally the dumbest response to an ‘opener’ a manager could make. Opponents would like nothing more than to have the Yankees worst hitters, hit the most.
You gotta love how the Yankees spend twice as much as everyone else, but Yankees fans act like they’re a superior organization. What a joke.
They spend twice as much as anyone else? There are a lot of ignorant comments on this string (batting your 7,8,9 hitters 1,2,3 to combat an opener is a great example of one), but this takes the cake. It demonstrates you know nothing about mlb payrolls, and you don’t care enough to check your alternate facts before you post. Just hating on the Yankees with a completely false statement.
Starting a lineup 7-8-9 would undoubtedly be the dumbest thing any team could do to counter the “opener”.
Umm, ya it would be the perfect counter
The Yankees had the 6th highest payroll in 2018, behind the Red Sox, Giants, Dodgers, Cubs, and Nationals.
Stop it with this nonsense.
They had the 7th opening day payroll in 2018, but let’s go through the last 10 years:
2018: 7
2017: 2
2016: 2
2015: 2
2014: 2
2013: 1
2012: 1
2011: 1
2010: 1
2009: 1
2008: 1
The only reason the Yanks weren’t 1st those other years was the Dodgers bought a ton of crap contracts to also acquire players to help their farm – they were essentially the Yankees of the NL.
The Yankees are renowned for being the evil Empire. Just because George died doesn’t mean they don’t spend frivolously. Google worst contracts in MLB history and you’ll see them prominently at the top.
No, it wasn’t reasonable….just hateful which is exactly what comes out of Yankee haters all the time when they post rather than being objective subjective while rooting for their team.
Look at these boards for simple reasons why other fans hate the Yankees. Every off-season it’s “We’re going to get Harper and Machado” when you don’t even have a place on the field to play them! Why? Because you fans are spoiled. Spoiled means expecting to have everything. Then when you’re denied a player you assumed was coming (Corbin) you simply say “we didn’t want him anyway – he sucks and is not better than a #3 starter – and we’re going to get Kluber.” Then in your offers, you toss in your chewed up prospects instead of someone like Gleyber Torres, and then try to push Ellsbury on teams when he hasn’t been good in 5 years and didn’t even play last year. You’re going around pitching deals for A+ talent for Sonny Gray, even though Cashman himself has said the guy is persona non grata and was a bust.
They made a Broadway play called “Damn Yankees’ because of how much non-Yankee fans can’t stand your team. Truly though, success breeds jealousy and hatred, man. You should embrace it fully. It makes the offseason fun to talk smack.
What is a JekPorkins? Sounds like someone who should have more knowledge of x-Wing fighters from Star Wars rather than making team salary comments on this page
“We’re going to get Harper and Machado” when you don’t even have a place on the field to play them!
Yanks have a legit need for a left-handed bat and an opening in LF. I don’t see Cashman counting on Gardner, Frazier nor Ellsbury to be starters next season. If not Harper than perhaps Markakis or Brantley could be targets if Harper’s ask is too high.
Jekporkins: and people like you constantly lump all Yankee fans together into one category. Yes, Yankee fans were expecting Corbin because 1. the Yankees have available payroll to spend while continuing to stay under the tax. 2. Corbin had expressed a desire to play for New York. 3. He was the top pitcher available and also a lefty. Exactly the missing piece the Yankees were looking for. If you look back on my prior posts I stated plainly the only thing that will probably keep Corbin from signing in New York would be if another team offered him 6 years. The Yankees have been burned by those long term contracts for players going into their 30’s so it’s doubtful they will hand one out to anyone outside of an MVP type player. I have also said many times there is no way they have the talent to trade for Kluber unless they are willing to give up Torres which I think they should do. I am also not very high on Andujar. I think he is just another Pedro Alvarez and they should trade him while his value is so high. It’s so tiring having to constantly defend the overwhelming majority of Yankee fans because a few with a limited amount of baseball knowledge post bad comments. Unfortunately, people like you use them to affirm your prejudices toward the entire Yankee fan base.
Samuel you are completely correct. It’s totally Boone’s fault that at the end of the season his players were under performing. With having no dominant ace and a injured bullpen really helps the offense. All they had to do was score 10 runs a game. No pressure. I’m a yankee Hayes and I think your post is redundant.
Billyk- Hey dude! You know the Yankees are bringing back essentially the same team that won 100 games last season, plus james Paxton, right?
Samuel- What an absolute spattering of nonsensical, textual vomit. You are the reason people hate yankees fans.
Yes, we all see Yankees gear and want to vomit on it.
“Again wilt?” The team just won 100 games. They’re loaded with young talent. And, I should add that I’m typing this wear a t-shirt that says “Even Jesus hates the Yankees.”
Bert…. Jesus is a Mets fan!
1969 Mets is proof.
I’m not sure about the rest, but Boone was a poor choice as manager. Girardi could manage, which is why Boone’s mistakes are so glaring. The Yanks gave the keys to their Ferrari to a guy who just got his license. I like Boone, but did not like his selection as manager, and my concerns were proven warranted.
So tired of hearing the Kevin Cash/Rays enthusiasts who compare them to the Yankees and Red Sox. Along with the “if they had the payroll of those teams they would be in the post season every year.
Bottom line is the Rays will never be a successful franchise as long as they are a band aid team. Money will always be an issue, they either don’t have it or don’t want to spend it.
Cash could be the greatest manager ever, it won’t actually matter as long as he is in Tampa Bay
In what world does Machado make any team worse? The guys not a clubhouse cancer, nor has there ever been inclination of that. He’s a top 10 player who can hit and and field with the rest of them. He’s going to cost a lot, sure, but in no way does he make a team worse. He’s made stupid comments but who hasn’t. This hate on him is pretty comical, as if you wouldn’t take him on your team
Rothschild is over rated and the game has past him by
Did you forget the Yanks landed Paxton already, Fangraphs has their starting pitching at 7th right now the Rays are ranked 14th. Counting the relief pitching the Yanks are second to the Indians at 21.4 while the Rays are 12th. The Yanks also have a much better offense. I think last year was an outlier for the Rays.
@billyk51 You can’t be serious. The yankees are returning the same rotation as last year plus paxton. They have young arms to fill the bullpen and could resign only hechavarria to play short and they’d still make the playoffs.
That being said, they’ll add another sp for depth, a better SS than hech, and a reliever, and they’ll be fine. Quality roster construction is not doomed by the signing of 1 pitcher you perceive to be not good.
People seem to forget that in 2018 the Yankees gave more than 30 starts to their non-starters (guys like Domingo German, Steven Tarpley, David Hale, Luis Cessa, and Jonathan Loasiga). The rotation had no ace after the break, was a COMPLETE MESS and they STILL won a hundred games.
They don’t have enough to compete for a title, but the playoffs are certainly within reach.
100% correct
So a 100 win team that
A) Replaces a subpar Gray with Paxton.
B) Will likely replace the carousel of an injured Montgomery, and struggling rookies German, Loisaiga, Adams, etc with a more proven FA.
C) Could possibly have a much more productive 1B in Voit who even if he has a .260/.330 25 HR season would be better than the 2018 version of Bird/Walker.
D) Still have time to address the bullpen, leftfield and SS/2B with Harper, Manny, Markakis, Brantley, Murphy, Robertson, Miller, Britton, and many others still in play.
E) Might likely see a better 2019 out of Sanchez and Judge if healthy.
Will be overtaken by who? The Rays who only have 1 pitcher in Snell that threw at least 150 IP. A bullpener who started 29 games with a whopping 66 IP in Stanek. Had the 2nd lowest team homers and waived the only hitter in Cron that had at least 15 homers are suddenly going to close the gap on the Yankees? Granted, there’s plenty of time to make more more but what team is more likely to add impact players given their resources, the Yanks or the Rays? I mean the Rays literally have 1 legit starter.
For that matter, who among the Jays, Angels, Rangers, O’s, White Sox, Mariners, Twins, Royals or Tigers do you see making significant improvements this winter to get them into that 90-100 game range?
To me the AL winners are still the Red Sox, Yanks, Astros, Indians and A’s.
Tell me something that should make me think otherwise? I’m not being a fanboy but really, you’re manning a statement that, on paper, seems highly unlikely.
1. You’re assuming Paxton is gonna be healthy, Cracked 150 innings once in 6 years.
2. At this point Lynn and Happ are their only choices, unless they jump on Keuchel for the FAs you speak of.
3. More productive 1B, but less productive SS (until Manny signs the contract you can’t assume hes playing for the Yankees- Corbin signing with the Nats taught you nothing?)
4. The rays have many talented arms working their way back from TJS- Honeywell, De Leon, Banda. With a full season of Pham, Meadows, Kiermaier and pitching getting healthy i wouldn’t count them out.
1-If it’s Dec 9th and we’re trying to project winners and losers for 2019 then yeah, we’re all guilty of assuming something. However, what I do know is that Gray sucked half of his season last year and Paxton should be a net gain over Grays 2018 suckage. He finished healthy and should start 2019 healthy. He is as risky as Eovaldi and others.
2- Morton, Happ and Keuchel are all in play. I would rather they sign Harper, keep Andujar and pass on Machado but if the Yanks want Manny and are willing to pay what Boras wants then other options become available like using Andujar to center a package for a more FOR type of starter. Off hand, other than one of the Indian’s pitchers I;m not sure who that might be off-hand.
3-Yanks can carry an all glove SS. And no, I don’t assume anything about who we WILL sign but we can speculate on needs vs what the market bears. If Manny and Harper are open to playing in NY and the Yanks are willing to pay the price then it will be done. You really think the Yanks could’t of signed Corbin if Cash was willing to offer up another year and a slightly higher average salary? Cmon. This wasn’t Ohtani making it clear he wanted no parts of NY,
4- You’re logic is weird. You bring up Paxton’s health (none of which were serious arm related issues) who had a healthy 2018 but wildly suggest that one of Honeywell (coming off of TJ and has never pitched above AAA), De Leon (19 IP in the bigs) or Banda (40 IP in the bigs) will possibly have some sort of impact for the Rays next year? How does that logic work?
5- They COULD benefit from a full year of Pham, Meadows and Kiermaier but I can play the “Paxton” card and ask “when was the last time Kiermaier played more than 108 games? The answer to that question is once and that was back in 2015. Regardless, he’s never been an offensive threat in terms of power, patience or contact-ability. Meadows has shown nothing thus far to suggest he will be a big factor on offense either.
6- I can also point to the loss of Mallex Smith. What’s Zunino going to bring to the table in 2019 offensively?
My point is, based off of what they did in 2018, what each team lost, what each team has brought back, the resources each team has and what players are still on the market I can’t see how anyone can suggest that the Rays will overcome the Yankees.
And just for the record, I am both Southbeach and KnicksCavs fan. One I access on my laptop the other on my mobile. I can’t remember the passwords for either and I just haven’t bothered to reset either.
I don’t want anyone to think I’m trying to deceive anyone (although I don’t anyone really cares).
Regarding the pitching- The Yankees are banking on Paxton- if his health is in jeopardy they are in trouble. The Rays aren’t banking on Honeywell, De Leon, Banda. Also, given the Rays recent experiment of limiting innings with pen days those 3 seem quite destined to form some kind team in that manner given their return from TJS. They don’t need to pitch 150+ innings if the rays are gonna give them 3IP at a time due to analytical data regarding 3rd time through the order.
Regarding Keimaier, unlike the Yankees and Paxton, in the event Keimaier does go down they can shift Pham to CF and move Lowe or Robertson into the OF, both of whom are coming off good years (Robertson 127 WRC and Lowe 113). The yankees don’t exactly have options behind Paxton they should feel confident in. Same can be said if Meadows struggles. The Rays have options at their disposal.
Regarding Zunino- Catchers in todays game aren’t suppose to be offensive forces. Teams look for defensive stalwarts.
Your statement was “The rays have many talented arms working their way back from TJS- Honeywell, De Leon, Banda. With a full season of Pham, Meadows, Kiermaier and pitching getting healthy i wouldn’t count them out”.
Now you say Rays aren’t banking on them.? Those were YOUR words.
Forget about them then. WHO can the Rays count on other than Snell?
Yes, if Paxton goes down the Yanks will be hurt. You can say that about ANY SP. Sale could go down. Snell could go down. In the scenario of the Yanks, they still have Tanaka, Severino, Sabathia, whoever else they acquire to complete the rotation and a few guys in the minors that have had levels of success last year (German and Loisaiga). They also have a tremendous offense that made up for pitching short-comings.
Also, you’re acting as if these are proven mlb pitchers coming back from TJ rather than 3 guys who collectively have pitched less than 60 innings last year with Honeywell not pitching above AAA at all. I would expect them all to start in AAA next year just to build up their arms.
Then you say “Regarding Keimaier, unlike the Yankees and Paxton, in the event Keimaier does go down they can shift Pham to CF and move Lowe or Robertson into the OF, both of whom are coming off good years”
Why even compare your OF with our SP? Not even a good comparison. Also, your OF wasn’t exactly a strength last year either. You throw up Robertson (lifetime .238/.351/.376 w/ 14 hrs in 500 AB
and Lowe (.233/.324/.450 w/ 6 hrs in 129 AB) are proven studs. Yes, they have age on their side so they MIGHT improve. Or they might regress. But neither has proven they are legit everyday players.
Be honest. Which team has more depth in terms of SP, BP and position players? I would say the Yanks.
ANYTHING can happen but you’ve yet to provide a logical reason why the Rays should outperform the Yanks and become either the AL East leader or win a wild card spot.
Seriously, I had to look up robertson and lowe. You have to be kidding that you are ok with that.
Daniel Robertson was a 1st round pick and traded for Ben Zobrist and you’ve never heard of him?
Him and Lowe both look like quality above average infielders.
Do you not know how TJS works? Honeywell De Leon Banda probably wont be ready til mid season if that- talented arms working their way back/ pitching getting healthy. I never said they were counting on their production but when they do come back the rays have the luxury of pen daying them to limit innings.
You also forget what you wrote? Youre the one who asked about keimaiers health and meadows production.
“Him and Lowe both look like quality above average infielders”.
Seriously, they MAY become quality mlb players but how do they both LOOK like it based off of performance?
Robertson (lifetime .238/.351/.376 w/ 14 hrs in 500 AB
and Lowe (.233/.324/.450 w/ 6 hrs in 129 AB)
What about those numbers are you basing your opinion? They have talent. Their minor league numbers look promising. But I wouldn’t call either of their early numbers promising.
And again, this whole discussion is based off of @pitcherslove stating that the Rays would overcome the Yanks because they’re alleged to be focusing on Lynn as their 5th starting pitcher. So far he’s yet to show me why? He’s giving me “if this unproven or recovering player does this” and the stars are aligned.
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Please show me where I said the Rays would overcome the Yankees.. What I did say was you shouldn’t count the Rays out as they have the pieces to push for a wildcard spot
Yankees aren’t gonna win 100 games. They could win 90-95 possibly 98 games.
You fail to realize other teams are going to get better this off season too.
Rays (OF and pitching), Angels (pitching), Orioles (you can only go up), Indians (OF and pen), Tigers (youth), White Sox (youth), A’s pitching are going to be getting better, .
Yes Yankees stand to improve, but its not just the yankees improving which you fail to realize. They’re going to be playing better teams for a myriad of reasons.
Vladdy. That is all.
Boy that comment is filled with a lot of what ifs, hope and assumptions. Its actually a better argument that the Yankees may be overtaken
i agree….offense is decent but to many questions in pitching….these teams need to not overlook the rays
No offense but the Yanks offense was just “decent”? Too many questions with their pitching staff? Yes, Tanaka-Severino-Paxton-Sabathia all might have a blemish but collectively, those guys were all decent to above average last year as the Yanks starting rotation collectively ranked 5th overall in WAR behind the Indians, Astros, Mets and Dodgers. Part of that was because of the late addition of Happ. But Yanks starters had a combined ERA of 4.05 which ranked 5th in AL and a FIP of 3.84 which also ranked 5th. We obviously have to settle the staff but I think that’ll be handled. It just amazes me that I can trot out 4 pitchers like those guys mentioned, who had a WAR of 5.8, 3.8, 2.8 and 2.5 and all the Rays can truly count on is Snell. Who else can you pencil in and expect 150 IP of average or better performance for the Rays? Not to mention the differences in our offense where the Yanks can win a game 10-8 too.
I’m not here to disrespect the Rays. I just don’t see any facts or arguments to support the notion that they’ll be the 1st or 2nd AL team to earn a playoff or wild card slot next year. What I hear is a lot of hope and a bit of hate to boot.
If they sign Lynn then they’re definitely getting either Machado or Harper.
Why is that
Actually Lance Lynn’s career winning percentage was higher than anyone on the staff. Including Wainwright. He’s a guy that has to have Spring Training to get going. He didn’t get signed early enough last season to participate in Spring Training. Thus, his early struggles with the Twins.
How is his career winning percentage relevant to the Yankees signing him now or not?
Agreed! Lance Lynn is a glorified long reliever
The AL east will tee off on Lynn. Please don’t do it Cashman. Bring in someone worthy of a Yankee jersey, like Greinke or MadBum.
“Worthy of a Yankee jersey.” Eyeroll.
Greinke ain’t agreeing to go the Yankees. NYY fans need to disabuse themselves of this notion.
Most WS titles in history. Most hall of famers. The global face of the league. I’m a Detroit Tiger fan through and through. But I also call em like I see em, the Yankee jersey is for legends.
So every player they have is a legend?
how is you mom doing in that jersey? trust me….she s legend….wanna sniff??
Hahahaha
Please stop with this, okay? The Yankees won a ton of WS in the reserve clause era, yes, because they had more money than anyone and, especially in the 1920s-1960s could just buy players they wanted, as there were plenty of teams that were basically just existing as farm teams for the Yanks in those years. (If you think teams are tanking now, you might want to look at the history of baseball; a ton of teams in the mid-century were just bringing up prospects to sell to teams back then while the owners were making huge profits; free agency may not be perfect, but it fixed a bit of that chicanery).
Ejemp, I agree many Hall of Famers wore the Yankee jersey… even more wore it after they had success somewhere else. Randy Johnson, Pudge, Winfield, Reggie, Tim Raines, Phil Niekro, Gossage, Gaylord Perry, Hunter, Henderson, even Ruth… they came to the Yankees after having played as a star somewhere else. It’s not a bad thing, its just that many players come to the Yankees because they are the Yankees. And many times they paid more than anyone else.
The Legend of Luke Voit.
I don’t have historic proof but I bet the Yanks payroll weren’t as high as you might think back then. There was no FA so there was no out-spending for star players. They had more stars than most other teams so they probably were among the highest but I bet it was’t a significant difference. I could only find this ranking of the highest paid player. In none of those years were
1914 $15,000 Ty Cobb (Det AL)
Tris Speaker (Bos AL)
1915 $15,050 Fred Clarke (Pit NL)
1916 $20,000 Ty Cobb (Det AL)
1917 $20,000 Ty Cobb (Det AL)
1918 $20,000 Ty Cobb (Det AL)
1919 $20,000 Ty Cobb (Det AL)
1920 $20,000 Ty Cobb (Det AL)
Babe Ruth (NY AL)
Tris Speaker (Cle AL)
1921 $25,000 Ty Cobb (Det AL)
1922 $52,000 Babe Ruth (NY AL)
1923 $52,000 Babe Ruth (NY AL)
1924 $52,000 Babe Ruth (NY AL)
1925 $52,000 Babe Ruth (NY AL)
1926 $52,000 Babe Ruth (NY AL)
1927 $70,000 Babe Ruth (NY AL)
1928 $70,000 Babe Ruth (NY AL)
1929 $70,000 Babe Ruth (NY AL)
1930 $80,000 Babe Ruth (NY AL)
1931 $80,000 Babe Ruth (NY AL)
1932 $75,000 Babe Ruth (NY AL)
1933 $52,000 Babe Ruth (NY AL)
1934 $35,000 Babe Ruth (NY AL)
1935 $31,000 Lou Gehrig (NY AL)
1936 $36,000 Mickey Cochrane (Det AL)
1937 $36,000 Mickey Cochrane (Det AL)
Lou Gehrig (NY AL)
1938 $39,000 Lou Gehrig (NY AL)
1939 $35,000 Lou Gehrig (NY AL)
Hank Greenberg (Det AL)
1940 $35,000 Hank Greenberg (Det AL)
1941 $55,000 Hank Greenberg (Det AL)
1942 $43,750 Joe DiMaggio (NY AL)
1943 $27,000 Joe Cronin (Bos AL)
1944 $27,000 Joe Cronin (Bos AL)
1945 $25,000 Lou Boudreau (Cle AL)
Joe Cronin (Bos AL)
1946 $55,000 Hank Greenberg (Det AL)
1947 $70,000 Hal Newhouser (Det AL)
1948 $65,000 Joe DiMaggio (NY AL)
Ted Williams (Bos AL)
1949 $100,000 Joe DiMaggio (NY AL)
1950 $100,000 Joe DiMaggio (NY AL)
1951 $90,000 Joe DiMaggio (NY AL)
Ted Williams (Bos AL)
1952 $85,000 Ted Williams (Bos AL)
1953 $85,000 Ted Williams (Bos AL)
1954 $85,000 Ted Williams (Bos AL)
1955 $67,500 Ted Williams (Bos AL)
1956 $58,000 Yogi Berra (NY AL)
1957 $65,000 Yogi Berra (NY AL)
1958 $65,000 Mickey Mantle (NY AL)
1959 $75,000 Willie Mays (SF NL)
1960 $80,000 Willie Mays (SF NL)
1961 $85,000 Willie Mays (SF NL)
1962 $90,000 Mickey Mantle (NY AL)
Willie Mays (SF NL)
1963 $105,000 Willie Mays (SF NL)
1964 $105,000 Willie Mays (SF NL)
1965 $105,000 Willie Mays (SF NL)
1966 $130,000 Sandy Koufax (LA NL)
1967 $125,000 Willie Mays (SF NL)
1968 $125,000 Willie Mays (SF NL)
1969 $135,000 Willie Mays (SF NL)
1970 $135,000 Willie Mays (SF NL)
I don’t see any White Sox players from the teens.
I wonder why? ;0)
So what is your point
My point was that back in the “reserve clause area” teams weren’t forced to bid for the highest talent. There was no FA so the big market teams didn’t flex anywhere near how they do now. A lot of teams were really, really cheap and it wasn’t comparable to today’s “frugal” small market teams.
Literally made me drop my phone laughing! First your mom joke I’ve heard in a bit and you nailed it. You get today’s All Star nob for that comment. Hope you’re a switch hitter so you’ll accept the nob.
How many championships have the Yankees in the past 15 years? Oh ZERO.
How many do the Red Sox have? FOUR.
Red Sox 4 Yankees zero this century! (2000 season was actually last season).
Enjoy living in the past Yanks!
Wtf…2009
15 years is a blip in time. Congrats to the Sox. Doesn’t mean anything historically.
2009 he was just four years old & can’t remember that.
With Happ, Morton and Keuchel still on the market I can’t see Lynn being the #1 target. That being said, it’s not like Lynn is horrible for what would be their #4 or #5 pitcher.
I mean you say the AL East will “tee off” on him but they didn’t last year. He had a 4 14 ERA (2.17 FIP) in 54 IP for them last year and only served up 2 homers. Over the course of 156 IP he only allowed 14 homers and struck out 161 and his season FIP was 3.84. His peripherals were pretty good for a back of rotation starter. Keep in mind he was a pretty good pitcher prior to this year where he didn’t sign with the Twins until March 12th last spring. A lefty who can miss bats, induces 50% GB and keep the ball in the park can win you some games. The infield defense is the only factor that might hold him back but if the Yanks bring in Manny or my preference, a glove first SS like Iglesias or Hechavarria, could mitigate that issue.
Lynn is right handed.
Lynn is a #6 fill in starter, long man at this point of his career. If the Yankees go into the season just adding a starter of his ilk it just proves so many points. They could do this or they could do that, they could sign this or sign that, more like not do much of anything. They’ll more than likely sign a discount BP arm, discount SS, someone like Lynn, and call it an offseason. They’ll poster and tell guys like Joel Sherman they were in on this guy and that guy, but at the end they’ll get fans to expect another 100 win season. Meanwhile Hal is happy with attendance, product sales, local ratings, until the bubble bursts and they don’t even get the Wild Card.
And you are FACTUALLY incorrect. How is he a “6th starter” when he had a WAR of 2.9 that ranked him 30th overall among pitchers that threw at least 150 IP (a pool of 78 pitchers).
Please understand that I’m NOT arguing that he;s a stud but he’s certainly a quality #4 or #5 on almost every staff. AND he had a season vastly different than 2014, 2015 and 2017 (2016 he was out for the season) where he consistently posted ERA’s under 4. He absolutely belongs on a major league staff in 2019.
And I don’t think it’s crazy to suggest that on a 1 year deal he might be a safer risk and MIGHT out perform better than Nathan Eovaldi.in a dollar vs performance valuation.
I stopped reading when you said Lynn was a lefty. Wow.
Of course you did. Because you didn’t see my post immediately after where I noted i had Happ on my mind at the time. I think my posts are well-thought using reason and a lil ole thing called “facts”. What thoughtful posts are you putting up? Yanks suck cause they spend a lotta money.
@knickscavsfan
Stick to basketball
Yankees and Greinke both don’t want any part of each other. He wouldn’t survive in such a pressure filled environment and he knows it. He has the Yankees and Red Sox on his no trade list. No way he’d approve a deal to Boston or New York, he’d be eaten alive.
@knickscavsfan Didn’t know Lance Lynn decided to switch his pitching arm during the offseason, he has always been a righty.
@knickscavsfan Calling him a 50% GB rate pitcher is kinda a stretch too, the only time he hit above a 50% GB rate was in his first year of the majors, the only other time he even came close was this season
@benz27
You got me there. Was thinking of Happ.in terms of left handedness;
Lynn had a 49.7% GB rate and a career GB rate of 45%. Let’s not argue semantics.
@southbeachbully
No worries, brain farts happen to the best of us. Regarding Lynn’s GB rate, I suppose we will just have to agree to disagree.
Do we really have to disagree? I mean factually, I said he had a 50% GB rate in 2018 and it was 49.7%. His career is 45%. I think we can agree on a factual bases.
Gag me!!!!
Ej,
They might as well keep Gray
Lance Lynn isn’t the answer to the Yanks rotation problems. They need to get creative and make a play for Kluber or Carrasco.
Carrasco just signed an extension with his club 2 days ago….
Doesn’t mean he can’t be traded. Just means it’s unlikely.
What? No ..it’s not happening. lol I’m glad you wanted to comment. But it’s not happening. That’s reality. Kluber or Bauer…That’s more like it.
Cleveland extending him eliminates him being the trade candidate. He became cheaper than Kluber and Bauer and controlled longer; the point of trading one or two of them is to clear money off the books to extend other people. Given the long term control they have over him now, 5 more seasons, at cheaper prices theyll move Kluber and Bauer 1st. You don’t extend a guy for cheap then trade him and keep the more expensive options when you;re looking to clear some financial obligations.
Only way they think about dealing him is if they fall out of contention this year, which all teams out of contention gauge their assets value.
How about McCutchen or Adam Jones I’m a one year deal until Pache is ready?
I’d if Cutchogue will sign a 1 year deal, but that pretty much makes the most sense to me.
Either that, or hopefully Brantley’s market and/or his demands lower a little bit, and then sign him to a 3-year deal. Then, once Pache is deemed ready to go, the Braves can trade Inciarte, come 2020..
Adam Jones is washed up and there is zero chance McCutchen takes a one year deal. The Braves shouldn’t settle unless they have to. Haniger, Peralta, and Brantley are and should be their targets. If they miss on those three, I wouldn’t mind seeing some controllable, high upside targets like Max Kepler or Franmil Reyes.
I don’t see Cutch or Jones as settling.
First off, there’s not 0 chance Cutch takes a 1 year deal…he will certainly be looking for multiple years, but the market isn’t always what players want it to be. Most people thought there was 0 chance guys like Moose, Holland, and Lance Lynn would take 1 year deal…but as rosters fill, there’s always a player or two who gets the short end of the FA stick. If it happens to be him this year, we should be all over it.
And Jones is certainly on the decline, but don’t underestimate the effect of a new, exciting team for an aging vet who’s been in the same place for a decade plus. We don’t need him to be Bryce Harper – he’s more than capable in the OF (especially considering he’s switching from full time CF to a corner spot) and he’d bring veteran leadership to a really young team. I’d be ok with seeing him mentor Acuna and not tie down our financial commitments beyond a single year so Pache can take the reins.
You’re right, it’s not a zero percent chance, but hilghly unlikely. McCutchen wouldn’t be settling, but Jones surely would. The guy can’t draw a walk.
That’s fair. I ultimately wouldn’t mind Jones, for the reasons described above, but with the other options available he would qualify as settling.
Don’t all those same qualities sound like somebody else ? Why not just bring back Markakis and give him the proper rest. Let him share time with Camargo. It would be a short term commitment until Pache is ready.
Markakis had a great year but he is getting older and clearly was overplayed the 2nd half. Also he played out of position in that lineup all year he is not a cleanup hitter.
They said the same thing about Markakis. Sometimes a change of scenery reinvigorates a declining star player.
Plan B? Lance Lynn should be plan Z
Worked for Sheldon Plankton.
golden,
lmao. you are so right. and being a Yankees fan for more than 6 decades, I just want to say now that both Trashman and the Crimebrenners are a disgrace!
Hmmmm…..let’s see…..trades for Didi, Hicks and Voit for little to nothing. In a couple of years transforms a middling team with a poor farm system into a 90 and 100 win team and graduates Sanchez, Severino, Judge, Andujar, Torres and Green from the farm. Then uses prospects to obtain Stanton and assume his $300 mil contract yet you refer to them with disdain? If you’ve been a Yanks fan then you remember the days when George was the boss and how bad those teams were with veterans on bloated contracts and very little coming from the farm. Why don’t you root for the Rays, A’s and so forth. You know…those teams that do such a great job of drafting players in the top 10 and trade them before they become free agents and then squander away their window of opportunities before scrapping it and starting all over again, You seem ungrateful.
So you don’t think that older people have the ability to type stuff on the internet?? LOL you might be surprised how many older commenters are on these boards.
Not doubting older folks have the ability to use the internet. I’m living proof!
What’s annoying is someone who claims to be a Yankee fan for over 60 years craps on Brian Cashman as much as she does. He’s only been with the Yanks for over 30 years and a successful GM at that.
If she was a fan for over 60 years then she would remember a dry spell that started after the ’64 season and ended in ’76.
Some Yankees fan!
Gotta love those teams CBS owned 1964-73. Don’t forget also defecating on Boone after a 100 win season.
You METSYANKREDSOX,
you crap on all your teams, like the other day you wrote,
and Cashman does nothing, oh, and plenty more bashing on your Mets too, you have no identity, and you and your lover Sleven
bash everyone and everything, we all
know it.
Oh Sleven, you CAN’T
even count past six, lol
I guess you two are the same people.
MYR, you are no spring
chicken, you started in
1965 with baseball
you weed head.
Oh, A real fan of any
team should be realistic, and know what their team
does need or not
need, and we don’t need Lance Lyn.
Cashman is so wonderful, yeah, what have you done in the post season for me lately?
Sleven,
Doesn’t matter child how many games they won, Boon
blew the series with his du.b moves.
LMAO!
Tell me what you really think.
Wow! You’re on a roll.
I guess the toast loaded an inch thick with jelly has your sugar level up to 200.
Take a couple Metformin before your heart seizes.
Why the sperate posts when he/she was addressing the two of us? You gotta love the ones who “lol” at their own posts!!!
Is this Joy Behar?
I love the – “they won 100 games”……..
Almost half of their AL opponents were rebuilding in 2018 – if not quitting – trading off veterans and trying out youngsters.
Three AL teams won 100 games in 2018; a 4th (the patched up A’s) won 97. This is not normal. Teams going all out to win vs. teams bringing youngsters along and not really caring if they won or lost is not fair competition.
In 2018 the AL was a league made up of 40% Junior Varsity teams. Get some perspective. The 2018 Red Sox, Astros, and Yankees were not teams for the ages.
lol
@ Samuel
Good for this age but def not for the ages. If I had a time machine I’d just hop around watching games from the 1880s to the 1930s.
I’m sorry but as a GM all you can do is put a team together that’s good enough to win their division ( which usually is what a 100 win team does) and then leave it to the same players, coaches and managers to seal the deal. I don’t look at Cashman as the culprit to an early end to the season. Boston was just better overall.
Yup and in fairness, neither Cora or Boone had any experience. Karma is just biting back at the Yanks, and rightfully so. The Yankees haven’t exactly been kind to their managers over the years. What they did to Stengal wasn’t exactly kind. Same goes for Girardi.
From Wikipedia concerning death of Casey Stengal.
“The tributes to Stengel upon his death were many. Maury Allen wrote, “He is gone and I am supposed to cry, but I laugh. Every time I saw the man, every time I heard his voice, every time his name was mentioned, the creases in my mouth would give way and a smile would come to my face”.[162] Richie Ashburn, a member of the 1962 Mets, stated, “Don’t shed any tears for Casey. He wouldn’t want you to … He was the happiest man I’ve ever seen”.[162] Jim Murray of the Los Angeles Times wrote, “God is certainly getting an earful tonight”.[163]”
Karma has nothing to do with it. I personally liked Girardi but it was stated that he wasn’t connecting with the young players and he wasn’t embracing new analytics. The Yanks paid him well and he had a good 10 year run. He will go down in Yanks history well respected. It was nothing personal or dirty. Not sure what you’re referencing Stengal. it’s irrelevant.
Who cares about comparing the Sox, Yanks and Astros to others historically. They are playing the teams they’re supposed to play. Not sure what nugget of wisdom we’re suppose to dig out of your post. Some teams were really good. A few were “meh” and a few sucked. That’s usually how it is.
What I wrote comes into play when people use “They won 100 games” as if that made those 3 Teams great. All I’m saying is that they’re not – they played soft schedules in 2018.
In a normal year with less teams in rebuild and teardown mode (every year there are some) it is not unreasonable to assume those teams would have won at least 8 fewer games – a bit less then 1.5 a month. That puts the Red Sox at 100, Astros at 95, Yankees at 92, and A’s at 89.
Based on normal seasons the past 15-20 years, that would be more in line with those teams performance.
That’s all.
MYR,
try early to mid 50’s
genius
Give me your mailing address Granny ..I’ll send you some Fenway Franks so you can know what a winner tastes like.
Lance Lynn being “Plan B” is like the Dodgers saying, “It’s either Clayton Kershaw or Tom Gorzelanny.”
That made me laugh out loud
Pretty awesome comment. Made me lol too.
Add me to the lol list. Nice one!
mrnate,
ROFLMFAO
wish there was an upvote on mobile lmao
Not when plan A was the overhyped and overpaid Patrick Corben.
Part of me wants to see what the Mariners could get for Haniger. The other part of me wants at least one productive member of the lineup to watch when I go to a couple of Mariners games this next season. Risk vs. reward, you see.
just trade him. At least to make up for the Segura trade.
Dipoto probably asked for Dansby Swanson, Soroka and Wright for Haniger.
I’d want more
I doubt he asked for Swanson days after trading for J.P. Crawford
If you combined Dansby and Crawford both you might could Frankenstein them together into one prospect worth the hype around either of them.
I wouldn’t downplay the idea of acquiring Swanson. Sure, you have Crawford at SS, but I think moving Swanson to 2nd wouldn’t be surprising. Dipoto switching players’ natural position soon upon arrival is his MO. Speaking of, it would likely spell the end of the Dee Gordon era if a Haniger to the Braves for Swanson, Soroka and Wright deal were to happen (sweeten the deal by adding Seager + money for Riley). Now, do we have a deal?
If anything Crawford would move to 2nd. Swanson can play a mean SS. It’s pretty well the only thing you can say he does consistently well.
Your trade proposals are also ludicrous
You wouldn’t trade him either
A unknown source says:
Mariners get
RHP KYLE WRIGHT, RHP IAN ANDERSON, OF CRISTIAN PACHE, RHP TRISTAN BECK
Braves get
Mitch Haniger
I say:
Braves get:
Seager
Haniger
20 mil (to offset the difference of Seagers contract)
Mallex Smith
Mariners get:
Soroka
Wright
Anderson
Riley
I say no way in hell do we do that
Braves aren’t trading for Seager after signing Donaldson, and the Mariners aren’t packaging Haniger and Seager together in order to rid of the contract. Haniger would be traded for prospects and Seager will rebuild value and be traded at the deadline or traded separately.
I agree but why would Atlanta make a competitive and proper offer when they know Dipoto would take a 1/3 of a haul that any other GM would insist on?
If the Braves would offer say their #2, 4 and 8 prospects for Haniger to a normal team, they know Dipoto would easily accept just 12, 136, and 145th best Brave prospect.
Really good point WsuMojo!
Our ‘fast and furious’ attempt at trading away all our aging and star-studded players is left futile when our GM is having a garage sale at wholesale value. The next wise move is to wait it out!
Ultimately, the end result needs to be making our team cheaper and younger, turning over new leaves and finding ‘change of scenery’ type of prospects among the likes of the addition of 2 to 3 more MLB top 100 prospects. We have to trade away Haniger and Santana to make that happen.
Future roster:
1. SS Crawford
2. CF Lewis
3. RF Kelenic
4. LF Thompson-Williams
5. 3B Chavis
6. DH Frailey
7. 1B White
8. 2B Smith
9. C Raleigh
I truly believe the M’s are a couple of years away from contending for a wild card spot.
I’d be surprised if even 4 of those players are major league regulars
Mallex Smith? Mitch Haniger? Plus they’ll eventually sign somebody rather than putting out AAA players for half of the lineup.
Segura trade was addition by subtraction. He is a clubhouse cancer
307 average with the most hits…..Maybe he’s not the cancer. Maybe the guy not hitting is the cancer.
Perhaps but the return is still questionable. remember the last clubhouse cancer we had to get rid of? Rafael Soriano, and we got Horacio Ramirez in return. Just because a player is “cancerous” does not mean we should give them away. Even if other teams are aware they will still want a very talented player because they believe they can turn that player around.
The Mariners are missing the boat. They moved some assets to move some money now they should be lookin to get some prospects. Hanigar’s return could single handily build a future rotation plus get a starting player
If they are looking to make fans still keep interest in the games thru a rebuild they just need to sign the Japanese pitcher. That would keep a whole country worth of fans interested. At the very least everyb5th day.
Doubt M’s will be competitive before Haniger reaches free agency. Same situation in Miami with Realmuto. Both rebuilding teams down to their last best trade chip wanting a ridiculous overpay.
I get the similarities in optics, but the Mariners are much better than the Marlins, and Hanniger has 4 years of control left as opposed to 2 for JTR. Makes much more sense for them to play this card than the Marlins – though I’d agree with the general sentiment that both should probably be dealt.
No it doesn’t. Mariners are in full rebuild mode. Hanniger’s value will never ever be higher. If he bats .225 with 5 HRs and 25 RBIs through July next year – because he is “the bat” in that rebuild lineup and pitched accordingly – then ownership has egg on their face. JTRs attractiveness is that he plays solid defensively in a key position, like SS or CF. Right Field is just that – right field. Personally I think the Braves should bring in a free agent and use those assets to bring in pitching. Mariners would be hard pressed to get a package similar to what im seeing thrown out here. Crazy …
Based on AA’s recent comments, it seems like the Braves are content to wait out the market and see who among the current corner outfield crop is the last left out. McCutchen, CarGo, Adam Jones…someone will be left without a dance partner and willing to sign a cheap 1-2 year deal, which is really all we need as Pache develops. We’ll do our due diligence to be “in the running” for all the FAs and any trade candidates that pop up, but I think we’ve made our big free agent splash, now it’s time to play smart with the remaining dollars left in the budget. The only thing Atlanta should spend real trade capital on is a true TOR starter, like Kluber, Bauer, MadBum or Grienke (and yes, I understand these wouldn’t all require the same prospect haul because of salary/years of control left. Feels like you have to qualify every statement with all the negative posters on this site recently).
Here’s my negative comment….nah I can’t think of one. Good job
It would be interesting to see what a Haniger trade would look like..
Wright+allard+pache+Camargo??
Then sign a pitcher (Charlie Morton) to a 1/2 yr deal and allow for Touki and Soroka etc to show what they are..
By all accounts I’ve seen, that wouldn’t be nearly enough for the Ms to consider – any Mariners fans or objective third parties, please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. And to this Braves fan, that’s about the high end of what I’d be comfortable offering. For that reason, I hope it doesn’t get done. I like Hanniger, but I like our prospects to either keep developing with the Braves or be packaged for an Ace.
I agree phnxdark! As much as I would like to see Haniger in Atl, I would rather the Braves hold onto the prospects just because it would cost so much to get him. Now for a TOR starter it would be a little different and easier to accept!
The Haniger deal should approximate the Yelich deal from last season. Haniger is older though so not going to be a perfect match but should be close.
Should cost more as Haniger is cheaper and the Marlins took under market value
Southi, it sounds like the Mariners are probably asking for more…If it was only 1 top 100 prospect plus 3 others I am pretty sure Atl would have already done it.
I’m an M’s fan. Personally, I think they should deal him, given their present situation.
Jerry Dipoto clearly LOVES Haniger, though. This regime has focused on lot of control of the strike zone and the mental aspects of hitting, and Haniger is basically a walking example of what they want their players to do. He has good tools, but, after stagnating in the minors, he worked his ass off studying how great hitters do what they do, and worked his way up the ladder. He’s seems like he is a coaches dream. Or at least that is the opinion that seems to come out of the M’s coaching staff and Jerry Dipoto himself. They seem to love him.
That said, the Braves and M’s are a great fit.
As far as what a trade would look like, it would have to be a damn good deal. The M’s have also been focused on guys who aren’t too far from the majors.
The offer you mentioned above – Wright, Allard, Pache and Camargo – is strong. If it were me, I’d want Austin Riley included. Something like Riley, Pache, one of Wright/Sorotka/Toussaint/Anderson, plus a fourth lower ranked guy. A reliever would be a plus, since we completely emptied our bullpen. That might sound crazy, but it seems like Dipoto genuinely wants to hold on to Haniger. It would have to be a damn good deal. This isn’t a Segura situation.
In an MLB Trade Rumors chat, Jason Martinez suggested that a package of Ian Anderson, Touki Toussaint and Austin Riley would be “close,” but not quite enough for Atlanta to land four years of Seattle outfielder Mitch Haniger.
Many fans at a Braves forum disagreed.
Could the Braves be persuaded if the package includes the salary dump of reliever Darren O’Day, who is owed $9 million in the final year of his contract? Atlanta reportedly would like to clear salary to pursue free agents.
Seattle fans would hate to see the Mariners trade Haniger and take on $9 million in payroll, but the M’s have evacuated their bullpen with the trades of Edwin Diaz, Alex Colome, Juan Nicasio and James Pazos.
The Mariners could flip O’Day for prospects at the July trade deadline if O’Day rebounds from his shoulder surgery. However, O’Day reportedly can block trades to seven clubs.
In short, Seattle would trade Haniger and $9 million for three Top 50 prospects plus whatever O’Day returns in a July trade.
You guys are crazy. Whatever you are calling a TOR or Ace starter being apparently substantially more valuable then a stud outfielder is insane.
If the Angels called and asked for Mike Soroka in a return for Trout, you say ‘Yes sir, he’s on the way’. If they ask for Acuna, I don’t think you’d just spring for it.
The Braves have 15 guys capable of being TOR’s. Frankly, Folty is turning into one of them because he’s been given the leash to do so. Yet y’all want to sell the farm for….a starter.
And one making more then $550,000 at that.
There are like….maybe 3 starters in baseball, and scenarios with salary would have to work…that I would trade Pache, Allard, Wright and Carmargo for. I might do it for Hanniger or a Legit stud corner of with X years of control.
That’s the thing people don’t get. They’re not asking for anything for Mitch. He’s part of the puzzle Jerry Dipoto is trying to keep. So let’s start over.
Dipoto would “NEED…TO…BE…BLOWN…AWAY.” So that tells us, that whoever else, is the one’s coming at Seattle with an offer.
Saw the same proposed trade. Altered slightly i think it works. Anderson,Riley,(Wright or Toussaint) as main 3 & (Allard,Waters or Gohara) as the 4th prospects would be Definitely be close. I would think it would atleast get Dipoto’s attention. As we all know there’s no guarantees with prospects. Fair for Haniger. I Don’t think Dipoto would need to take on the salary.
I’m wary of Braves prospects after the Rob Whalen and Max Povse for Luis Gohara deal.
You don’t seem to understand. If that’s how high your team is on Haniger then keep him. Anderson, not a chance. Touki, try again. Did you really try to put Waters in the same group with Allard and Gohara? Unrealistic
It was Alex Jackson for Rob Whalen and Max Povse.
Gohara was part of the big trade for Smiley. Potential rookie pitcher of the year Ryan Yarbrough too
@ braves Nebraska: Just putting what I think it would take. don’t think trade happens
I put waters there because I prefer his hit tool over pache
I am wary of M’s prospects after that same deal. Keep hearing the same thing with Gohara, “TOR potential but control issues combined with personal issues have stalled development”. I hope he gets it on track.
I’d rather have Drew Waters than Kolby Allard. I have no idea what the fascination is with Allard. He was more electric as an amateur in HS than he’s ever been since. He throws 89mph with a change up. I wouldn’t be surprised if he carves out a Tommy Milone type career path, but I doubt he ever clears ~3 WAR.
My apologies. Thank you for the correction. Can’t believe we wasted 4 Top picks on Ackley, Hultzen, Zunino, and A Jax. At least we got Mallex Smith for Zunino. So there’s something.
Personally I think the M’s should hold onto Haniger. His value may actually be even higher at the trade deadline should Dipoto be offered a ridiculous offer from a contender.
Muskie-Why in the world would Seattle trade Haniger and bring back more salary than they trade away? They could get that return without eating money.
RE Brave in nebraska,
Any deal for Haniger is going to make braves fans queasy. Any deal that you think is fine would not be enough. The M’s love Haniger, and since he had four years of team control left, he’ll fit with any team. The team that gets him will end up paying a lot.
Right so it’s the Marlins all over, they screwed up on Stanton and Yelich so the braves have to over pay for JT. They under sell on Diaz and Cano so they need us to overpay for Haniger. If the Mariners wanted great prospects should have called the Braves first. Sorry but the Braves and AA aren’t as gullible as other teams and GMs.
I agree four years is alot of control but your coming to the poker table with a small pair. We have the full house.
Seem to think your gonna pull all of our top 100 players.
Why not throw in 3 more top prospects while you are at it and include Minter while you are at.
Really? So we need a starter but not a bullpen even though last year our starters era ranked 4th in the league and our bullpen was a roller coaster?
It’s tough to see who responses are to in long chains, but if this was directed at my original comment I never said that. A TOR starter is the only thing I’d feel comfortable spending big *prospect capital* on, but we definitely need to spend free agent dollars on the pen. There’s plenty available – Kimbrel, Britton, Ottavino, Miller and more would all be upgrades that I’d love to see. On the SP front, there’s nothing I’d consider a legit upgrade over what what we have, hence being more comfortable giving up prospects to get in on the ones I want.
What would a Puig trade look like for the Mets? If they’re willing to pick up salary, I can’t imagine they’d have to give up too much considering the fact it’s only one season of control (not to mention how he seems to be complaining his way off the roster right now).
I agree that they need a RH hitting outfielder, but I’d rather they get someone who can play center if they can. They’re incredibly thin there.
Bonilla contract for Puig
Puig for Thor? lol Plz mets Do it
More like Puig + a significant prospect or 2
Puig+Alveraz+White for Thor. Would you do that?
Not even close
Any chatter with Braves and Dodgers on Puig? Not going to offer opinion but has upside. Does he fit what Braves looking for? What about package Julio and prospect for Puig. Thoughts? Could be a rental yes but better or worse than one year CarGo Adam Jones or worse Kakis.
Worth the chatter. After all Kemp trade helped both sides last year. Try that again AA. Or does anyone feel he would hurt the club more than help. Would it hurt or help Acuna Or Ozzie…
Tehran and a prospect is a bit much for Puig.
Plus I doubt the Dodgers want Tehran anyway.
Would Braves even take Puig for a prospect?
I should certainly hope so. Puig’s really good at baseball.
AA was in the Dodgers organization so he would likely know if Puig was a true fit or not! I think the fact that he has 1 year left and no real expensive he definitely makes some sense there.
It just depends on what the Dodgers want in return…Would it be better to go after Cutch or Brantley? I think Cutch on a 2 yr deal makes more sense! Gives Pache, Waters, and Jenista a couple more years to develop. Or do the Braves just slide Riley to the OF to get his bat in the lineup?
Please no on Puig. I’m pretty certain that Atlanta wouldn’t want him near the younger players on the roster.
Who wants him near anything or anyone. I’m a fan because I think baseball needs more characters but not my beloved Braves.
He does have upside. Cecespedes did this and jumped to team after team till Mets. Why not just let the Mets take the circus show. Until the circus shut down I think we all enjoyed the spectacle. That’s Puig. I’ll actually say Miami instead of a Met. He will go wild down their and dance in between innings and pitches. Why not.
AA knows Puig very well, if he thinks he’s worth the headache, he’ll trade for him. But the Dodgers have a surplus of starting pitching, they won’t want Teheran. Maybe Wood and Puig for prospects. But I have a feeling that AA doesn’t want either.
Is the Lynn item based on a tweet from 4 days ago, or am I missing something?
If Dipoto doesn’t trade Haniger its time for me to admit. He has no clue.
Or, he just doesn’t agree with you
Both can be true
I don’t understand why Dipoto wouldn’t trade Haniger. He may never be as valuable as he is right now and you 100% know you’re in a rebuild. He should just be stockpiling top prospects at this point and give up on MLB level talent.
I think its likely that Dipoto is just holding out for a crazy good deal.
Dipoto seems to genuinely love Haniger (see my post above). They rave about his work ethic and makeup constantly, and his approach is what they want to promote in the organization.
Plus, why wouldn’t Dipoto ask for the moon. Haniger is good in all facets of the game, and he’s under team control for four years. He’s an incredibly valuable commodity, and would fit with most teams in the league.
To get Haniger, some team will need to make a very very good offer. You can’t force those to happen. If that type of deal doesn’t come, Dipoto just won’t deal him. He’s stated repeatedly that he intends to do that.
I agree with you that they should trade him. But he’s by far the best trade chip the team has. They can’t afford to mess that trade up.
Jerrytek my friend, you are one of the few who exactly got it right on the nose! A+ sir!! And you will be invited to “The Pancake Social”! Thank you and good day sir.
The Mariners probably couldn’t afford to mess the Paxton deal up, and yet here we are.
See the problem is we do not know what other teams were offering for paxton or others so to say it was a bad deal is wrong. You can only compare to other deals. But still hard to tell. Yes there return was as good as what the white sox got for Sele but paxton is not sele
I wouldn’t mind seeing the braves sign Billy hamilton to platoon with Adam Duvall and use the saved money to revive the bullpen and trade for a TOR pitcher like MadBum so you avoid a bad contract like Grienke’s.
This way with MadBum you wouldn’t sacrifice too many prospects and come out of the offseason on with an intact farm. But we gain a veteran to these young pitchers
Like the shift to MadBum but don’t overpay for OF. Puig could work with Ender platoon in RF. Acuna in CF. Duvall is I think a player everyone is over looking and Camargo playing LF.
Braves going pitching and bullpen in meetings. If they need another bat OF. Camargo will play there and like just mentioned don’t give up on Duvall.
You could always sign Granderson to platoon with Duvall. Granderson would be cheap and probably sign for one year. His stats are actually MUCH better than most realize too. By almost all accounts Granderson has good clubhouse presence as well.
Why in the absolute world would
You swap acuna to CF and Enciarte to platoon in RF. Enciarte has 3 straight GG awards in CF, and isn’t slowing down anytime Soon defensively. He stays in CF until he can’t plus
He is exceptionally cheap for the next 3 years, at just 20 million total. If he is exactly league average 100 WRC+ then he is a 3 win player and has about 53 million in surplus value. That is pretty damn good for
The 8th place hitter in your lineup.
They were already playing Acuna in CF some and real question is not about Ender or Acuna would you trade for Puig. And for who? Would he cost more to your team because he is a character???
They weren’t playing Acuña in CF. Ender started 151 games in CF, and Acuña started 8. And those 8 that Acuña started was when Ender got benched for Duvall.
Hamilton can’t get on base. The braves don’t need a guy who is nothing but a pinch runner/defensive replacement. They need an actual upgrade to the OF.
If I were the Mets, I would stay FAR AWAY from Puig. He’s not worth the daily headaches & distractions. Also, I would make the Marlins one final offer for JT Realmuto. I would offer Brandon Nimmo, Andres Gimenez, David Peterson & Mark Vientos. If they turned down that offer, I would happily move on. I would then refocus on acquiring Corey Kluber with a package involving Nimmo. If the Mets were able to obtain Kluber while retaining Conforto and Rosario, I would then make a strong push to sign AJ Pollock. By the way, if the Mets are unable to get Realmuto, it’s not the end of the world. Imagine if the Mets traded for Kluber, signed Pollock to play CF, signed Andrew Miller & Adam Ottavino to strengthen the bullpen and signed either Martin Maldonado or Jonathan Lucroy to strengthen both the starting rotation & infield defense. The Mets would EASILY be the favorite to win the NL East.
1. McNeil
2. Rosario
3. Cano
4. Pollock
5. Conforto
6. Alonso
7. Lagares
8. Maldonado/Lucroy
1. DeGrom
2. Kluber
3. Syndergaard
4. Wheeler
5. Vargas/Lugo/FA Signing
7th Inning: Ottavino/Miller
8th Inning: Miller/Ottavino
Closer: Edwin Diaz
Mets would be legit contenders.
Now when Cespedes comes back, the Mets lineup would become murderers row.
1. McNeil
2. Pollock
3. Cano
4. Cespedes
5. Conforto
6. Alonso
7. Rosario
8. Maldonado/Lucroy
Lol,lucky to be on the field together(Broken Glass)and hoping to be in the race if they overachieve,hopefully they get Puig so they can add Cancer to the mix
That lineup does not look very Murderer’s Row-like. No offense.
Ha the pun
“Oh, Danny boy, the pipes, the pipes are calling”
and now we know what those pipes were probably packed with. (inhale…exhale..post nonsense).
“Murderers’ Row were the baseball teams of the New York Yankees in the late 1920s, widely considered one of the best teams in history. The nickname is in particular describing the first six hitters in the 1927 team lineup: Earle Combs, Mark Koenig, Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Bob Meusel, and Tony Lazzeri”.
cmon dude…..
I guess you meant the sound of bong bubbles.
No…i referenced the correct drug paraphernalia. There are pipes of all sorts for various narcotics.
There’s quite a significant jump from being contenders to “EASILY the favorite to win” a division you just finished 4th in, especially when all the teams above you have improved as well.
And I’m curious, what could the Mets possibly offer for Kluber that doesn’t involve McNeil, Rosario, Conforto or Alonso? The Mets farm isn’t that deep, and they’ll be contending with teams like the Yanks and Braves who have significantly more talent to offer.
You’re forgetting phnxdark23 that the Indians are trying to get rid of Kluber’s contract as well as obtain a young, controllable OF. The Mets wouldn’t have to offer much. I would say Brandon Nimmo, David Peterson, Mark Vientos & paying for 100% of Kluber’s contract would get it done. No doubt about it.
I got one even better. Let’s say Brodie Van Wagenen is willing to take Jason Kipnis’s contract off the Indians hand, the Mets could essentially trade Nimmo by himself and get Kluber just for taking Kipnis back. There are multiple opportunities for the Mets to acquire Kluber. BVM just has to continue being creative. If the Mets took Kipnis back, they could stick him in LF until Cespedes came back from the DL, which probably won’t be until the All-star break.
IF the Indians trade Kluber they are not going to attach a bad contract with it. They are going to get max value. Even if the did attach Kipnis to Kluber it would take more then Nimmo to get it done! He is a top 5 starter in all of baseball.
Would you attach deGrom to a bad contract and expect 1 player to come back? Kluber is on that level!
You don’t have to believe me, just read the reports out there that say similar things that I’ve been saying.
Yeah and Corbin was going to the Yankees and Harper was all set to be a Cub. There’s the other reports that say the opposite of you, as well
I mean, it might be worth considering that everything you read on the internet may not be true.
Particularly the stuff the New York Times and Washington Post put up on the “news” portion of their site.
“Well, we don’t believe you, you need more people” -jay z
Thank you I love hearing these Met fans. Any offer for any player would be trumped by AA. Sorry it is just a fact. Plus Indians are not trading Kluber they will move Bauer.
Too many what if’s… I mean I can make fantasy trades and signings all day for every team in baseball.
What if the Braves trade for Kluber and Haniger then sign Kimbrel? 1 of those is a long shot much less all of them.
The same with your fantasy team you put together. Ottavino will likely want to be a closer. Miller will have several suitors. The Indians may not want to trade Kluber. They may want to trade Bauer instead.
Imagine….everyone is imagining how their roster could be if they sign or trade the best players.
That proposed deal for Realmuto is horrendous. Maybe Nimmo, Andres Gimenez & a wild card, low level prospect. That would be the max offer.
The Mets had the one of the best pitching staffs last year with deGrom, Syndegard, Wheeler and Matz all pitching over 150 IP with a sub 4 ERA and FIP. But lost quite a few games due to lack of run support. Why in the world would you use an asset like Nimmo, easily one of their best hitters who’s earning next to nothing and has 4 years of control left?
Why not just sign a 5th starter than can eat up innings and who can probably be had on a 1 year deal and either use a pitcher for some offense or bring in a bat via FA? Spending an asset like Nimmo to improve an already stellar staff and NOT address a glaring need for offensive seems counter-productive. You just saw deGrom have an amazing year yet only win 10 games. If you add Cano but subtract Nimmo then how many wins do you think Kluber will see with this offense?
Let me try to help educate you. The reason you trade Nimmo now, is very simple, his value is at an all time high right now. The Mets can easily replace him with an OF like AJ Pollock. If you add a SP like Corey Kluber to the Mets existing starting rotation, the success of the Mets 2019 season could be endless. And with all due respect to Nimmo, Pollock is a far better player than he is.
I struggle to understand why you feel you can be so condescending yet post such an unintelligent post.
Facts:
Met’s strength is their starting pitching,
Met’s weaknesses are their offense and their bullpen.
deGrom had an all-time great season.
Despite having an incredible season, it only amounted to him having a 10-9 record and the teams overall record in his 32 starts with the overall 1.70 ERA is an atrocious 14-18. That means not only did his team not score enough runs to win while he was in the game but also the bullpen blew a few leads or ties as well.
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Nimmo was the arguably the Mets best hitter. and certainly had the highest WAR among all position players.
Your strength is pitching. Your weakness offense. You might need to spend $$$ to improve both the offense and the bullpen. Why trade your best offensive asset, who is also cheap, and in the process weaken an already weak offense, to acquire a starting pitcher who wasn’t as dominant as your BEST starter who’s year was wasted for lack of run support. Why would you expect Kluber’s (or whatever pitcher proposed) impact to be any greater than deGrom and others with no run support?
What would make the MOST sense is to attempt what the Indians are trying to do. Deal from their strength (SP) and address their bullpen and offense both via trade and maybe even use money saved (if any) to add a FA that improves the previously mentioned weaknesses?
It simply makes no sense to trade Nimmo for another pitcher. You should be adding to the offense not subtracting. What would it cost the Mets to get a comparable player to Nimmo via FA?
And in what world is AJ Pollock, who is also 5 years older, a better hitter than Nimmo?
2018- Nimmo .263/.404/483 w/ 17 homers w/ 80 walks
Pollock .257/.316/484 w/ 21 homers w/ 30 walks
Add also that Pollock has missed 250 games over the last 3 years should be a factor too. Mets have suffered the injury bug with Cespedes and others already.
I love your point, until you called pollock far better than nimmo. You still get a thumbs up though.
southbeachbully, your reply is full of so much nonsense that it’s not even worth my rebuttal. All I will say is this. If you truly believe that Brandon Nimmo is the Mets best offensive player then you clearly know little about baseball. Even with the Mets current 40 man roster, Nimmo is 5th best. Not even close to being the best. There’s a reason why the Marlins want Conforto over Nimmo. Just saying.
Well, skills wise, Pollock is clearly superior. Pollock already has multiple 20 homer seasons under his belt, steals bases & has even won a Gold Glove for CF. The only knock on Pollock is that he gets injured often but it’s not because he’s injury prone, it’s because he plays hard. Pollock has suffered bad luck.
Wow…show me how I’m wrong. Using “facts”
Nimmo led the Mets in WAR, ISO, OBP, wOBA, wRC and 2nd in BB% (behind Bautista) and SLUG. How is he not the best, or ONE of their best hitters?
Are you going by homers and rbis? Yeesh.
Saying the M’s wanted Conforto and not Nimmo is perhaps the dumbest reason to compare players. Who cares? The Rangers wanted some guy named Joaqin Arias over some scrub named Robinson Cano in the trade for Arod. Were they right?
With that said, Conforto has more power. Does it mean he was the best hitter last year. Both are young talented hitters. Conforto tho is also in his 4th year and is more seasoned. but he did struggle to get where he is now.
Then you say “Well, skills wise, Pollock is clearly superior. Pollock already has multiple 20 homer seasons under his belt, steals bases & has even won a Gold Glove for CF. The only knock on Pollock is that he gets injured often but it’s not because he’s injury prone, it’s because he plays hard. Pollock has suffered bad luck”.
What is AJ Pollock? He IS injury prone. He IS 31 years old. He IS going to cost you signifigantly more than Nimmo. This site predicted him to sign for 4/$60 mil.
Definition of “prone” = likely to or liable to suffer from, do, or experience something, typically something regrettable or unwelcome.
Since 2013 Pollock has missed, on average, 61 games a year. Call it what you want. He is either injury prone or prone to have reallllly bad luck. Either or, the Mets shouldn’t contemplate signing him to more than a 1 year deal and maybe not even that. But certainly trading Nimmo and replacing him with Pollock would be a stupid move when factoring in the offensive performance difference, the age, the injury risk and the salary differences.
For the last time, your response is idiotic. Yes, Nimmo had a good season last year but that was it. Cano FAR BETTER hitter. Conforto far more upside & potential, not even close. Cespedes, far more prolific. Lastly, since you’re so caught up with Nimmo’s big season, it doesn’t even come close to Jeff McNeil’s bug season. McNeil had 22 HR’s, 90 RBI’s & 13 SB’s between the minors & majors last year. Not to mention a .342 average in the minors and a .329 average in the majors. Oh yeah, he stole 13 bases while being caught just ONCE. Like I said, currently, Nimmo is the 5th best hitter on the Mets and is easily expendable as well as replaceable.
Oh yea, did I mention that although Nimmo had a terrific OBP, he had a strikeout rate of 26.2%. Jeff McNeil’s strikeout rate was only 9.7%. More facts for you.
Danny boy…lay off the sauce!
DannyB, what basis are you honestly using saying that Cano was the better hitter than Nimmo last season??? Even baseball reference strongly disagrees with you. Nimmo had a 150 OPS+ compared to Cano at a 136 OPS+. That means that one of the most recognized and quoted baseball authorities place Nimmo at 50% above the average statistical hitter compared to only 36% for Cano. Both are definitely EXCELLENT but Nimmo has the better numbers.
Of course why should a thing like simple facts get in the way of your argument? Oh and in case you aren’t educated enough to know OPS+ is also adjusted for park factors and there is a strong correlation between a teams OPS+ and their runs scored.
Please set Fangraphs to your default web browser and just, just read man.
More like the fermented jam!!
Which one of his usernames are you addressing?
I said “Nimmo was the arguably the Mets best hitter. and certainly had the highest WAR among all position players”.
That wasn’t an opinion. He had the highest WAR (4.5) based almost exclusively off of his bat as his glove was slightly below average, The next closest was Conforto’s 3.0.
Then you reference Cano, who wasn’t on their team last year. Who I love as a player, but hasn’t posted a WAR above 3 since 2016. I think Cano SHOULD be a good hitter in 2019 but I would be shocked if he posted a 4.5 war season again.
Then you reference Cespedes as being better although he’s missed 200 games over the last 2 seasons and in YOUR OWN WORDS “If the Mets took Kipnis back, they could stick him in LF until Cespedes came back from the DL, which probably won’t be until the All-star break”. How is he better than Nimmo having missed 124 games last year and probably will miss half of 2019 and is 33 years old with foot problems playing in the NL w/ no way to keep him off the field?
Finally, you disregard what Nimmo did in his first full season in the majors but rank McNeill better based off of 68 games in the majors and his AAA stats? McNeil looks like a fine player but you are really reaching with respects to say he had a better year than Nimmo.
Anytime you want to argue a fact based argument I’ll be here.
You’re putting Conforto (25% k rate) and Cespedes (32% k rate) ahead of Nimmo (26%k rate) as hitters in 2018. Ok…….smh
Puig would be a perfect fit for the Mets. His zaniness along with his ability to hit would be like Broadway in Flushing.
The Mets haven’t had any pizzazz in years.
Lynn is the 2nd biggest reason they lost Red Sox after Boone.
This has to be a joke, right?
I would hope so. I’m a Mets fan and even I don’t want the Yankees to sign Lynn. What an horrendous pitcher.
You mean the guy who ranked 39th in WAR and had the FIP of 3.97 last year? He’s horrendous? It’s amazing how many times we throw up stats to prove one point and then ignore them to fit a narrative we want,
I want the Yanks to aim higher than Lynn because we really need more of a 1-2-3 type,and I’m sure Cashman sees it the same way too, but Lynn would be a great BOR for most contenders looking for an innings eater who can keep them in the game. He’s far from a bad pitcher. I can imagine that if he had a full spring training he could return back to his earlier form for some team.
I love how ppl on hear throw stats around to fit a narrative and try to sell somebody on a player. Whenever anybody throws a stat out on a Lance Lynn all that does is make me not respect that stat. Lance Lynn was not good in any stretch of the imagination. And if you look hard enough you can find some number somewhere to make anybody look impressive on paper.
So what criteria do you want to use to support @dannyb;s statement that “What an horrendous pitcher.?
Just ERA? I’m in my 40s and while I think ERA “it’s not nothing” it does little to explain how good or bad a pitcher really, really was.
By no means do I want the Yanks to settle on Lynn but to say in a league with 150 SP that he’s among the 50th worst is untrue.
Considering he was a pretty good pitcher prior to 2018 (career 3.57 ERA/3.67 FIP), that he missed most of ST because he didn’t sign until early March and bounced back after a rough 1st half ad had an ERA of 4.14 in the 2nd half makes one imagine that he might benefit greatly if he signs early and ready to go for ST. For most teams he would be a solid #4 or #5
On the contrary I don’t support his statement I actually believe Lynn is not a bad pitcher. But I also don’t think he is great or even above average either.
Just because I don’t like how you go about it doesn’t mean I don’t agree with your take on it.
When a player is mediocre you have to remember for every stat that says he is good there is a stat that makes him bad. At the end of the day they all equal out to the player they are.
Actually reading your last post above is more the argument I was looking for. I don’t think Lynn is a bad pitcher I think last offseason made him have a bad year. Because last year his results were horrendous. But I really don’t think he is what the Yankees are looking for or should be looking for.
You can’t win an argument with Danny B’s logic. I bet his surname is Boyle, which if you grew up in the NYC area should explain everything you need to know.
Gotta sign Lynn back. Didn’t give up future hall of famer Tyler Austin for nothing.
I was hoping for a mulligan on that one.
It’s pretty obvious nobody values Puig like the Dodgers do. I’d rather they hold onto him for this year and lose him for nothing than give him away.
I’d rather hang onto him. He’s fun to watch, and at this point in my baseball fandom that counts for quite a bit.
He’ll probably be traded, though. Where there’s smok there’s usually fire — and there’s been a lotta smoke this offseason.
Yea man it’s unfortunate. If they do trade him I hope its in a deal for a top pitcher or bullpen guy.
Lol – possibly the most grounded in reality Puig post ever.
It’s not that nobody other than LA values Puig.
No one else wants him; he’s a head case.
Sure do hope the Mets trade for him, though. Watching Puig AND Cespedes on the same team for 160 games will be hilariously entertaining—seeing which one can out-stupid the other. Add in Cano, as well, and the Mets will provide many days of NY back page tabloid headlines. But NOT for what the team will do on the field.
And what “antics” has Cano been known to have? For all counts, he was a well liked player. PED use doesn’t mean you’re a clubhouse cancer. Just stupid to think you could get away with it.
I’m kinda getting a maga vibe here…
As an international baseball fan, just know that we collectively are saddened that we have to share the game with maga people.
DHaniger to the Braves for Austin Riley, Kyle Wright, and either Max Fried or Williams Contreras – maybe both. Before any Braves fans say “Wow, such an overpay, no way!”
Please realize that none of those prospects have done anything significant (or at all in the case of Contreras and Riley) in the MLB. They are talented prospects, but prospects none the less, You have to give good value to get good value. Haniger is just entering his prime and has two years of solid big league production. Perhaps most importantly, he is also extremely affordable!
You only see value in Mitch hang me and bang me. This value is so so so much more in Riley and Wright. Not even wasting texts on the rest.
Why have a good year or 2-3yr long relationship with one sexy hang me and bang me when you could marry multiple wives and already are engaged with how many you say… 4 smh
You are a different kind of cat…
Marry multiple wives you say…man that’s expensive!
I love how ppl on hear throw stats around to fit a narrative and try to sell somebody on a player. Whenever anybody throws a stat out on a Lance Lynn all that does is make me not respect that stat. Lance Lynn was not good in any stretch of the imagination. And if you look hard enough you can find some number somewhere to make anybody look impressive on paper.
Put down the crack. You are talking about a 285/26/93 RIGHT FIELDER. Seriously – just put it down. Braves hang up after “Austin Riley” and get Markakis on the phone.
When did a 6 win outfielder become bad?
Ya I guess you are right; Riley is an overpay for a controllabe, cost effective, 6 WAR RF (who can play CF in a pinch), who happens to be only 28.
Since you are still holding your crack pipe, phone the Angels and tell them that you have an offer of Riley for Trout that they can’t refuse. If they somehow say no, try the Brewers for Yelich and the RedSox for Betts…
So the trade is now Riley-Hanniger 1-1? Cause if that’s the case let’s talk.
The problem here is the haul peeps seem to think they are going to get for a right fielder – 6 war or not. How about his 3 war in 17 – that’s not referenced. Nor is his 0.1 war in 16. See – the issue is the ask here is like he is this perennial 6 war player and should be valued at that. He is not. He is very good. And Seattle should absolutely get prospects for him – but the quality of the prospects being laid out is nuts. And these aren’t prospects in the sense that they are in question. We saw Wright and Fried last year – they delivered in at major league level.. Some of the packages are like its for Kluber.
Only 28? You living in the roids / hgh era? He is hitting his prime now Going forward especially on or after age 30 year he will degrade or start to. Talking like he is 23.
Keep toking. Let’s see how he does without protection in the summer. Maybe you can pawn him off to the Dodgers. Free agency is the way to go for the Braves at that ask.
Anderson,Riley,(Wright or Toussaint) as main 3 & (Allard,Waters or Gohara) as the 4th prospects would be Definitely be close. I would think it would atleast get Dipoto’s attention. As we all know there’s no guarantees with prospects. Fair for Haniger.
Braves need to go get Joey Gallo.
100% agree.
How about Starling Marte from the Pirates, any idea of what it would take to pry him from the buccos?
So somehow Braves land MadBum. I actually think they should go hard to land him. Say someone else overpays brantley. Cutch becomes a brave. Grows a beard and plays better than the former kakais. This means only one thing left. Get a lights out bullpen arm. Bets in Britton to mentor minter. That sounds weird.
Leaving Braves with 2013, 2015 MLB MVPs. A World Series MVP and if you want a prediction a 2019 MVP wears a Braves uni
There’s nothing AA has done better in his career than leverage wins now. Should be a fun, albeit shorter than you would expect, ride.
Wouldn’t this be fun
Braves aquire
Trevor Bauer or Corey Kluber
Brad Hand
Mitch Haniger
Indians Aquire
Ender Inciarte
Sean Newcomb
Marco Gonzalez
Mariners aquire
Austin Riley
Christian Pache
Bryce Wilson
Kolby Allard
Luis Gohara
As I read it over Seattle would probably need more. Maybe take out Allard and Gohara and add one maybe two of Anderson/Touki/Wright or soroka.
I don’t think it’s close for the Indians.
Braves fan?
Give up 8 Players for 3!! No way!!
I don’t like the cost of these TOR starters that are available in terms of prospects and or money.
I feel it best serves the Braves to let these young guys make their next progressions and allocate the money/prospects on the bullpen.
What would it take for the Braves to get Leclerc?
How much would it cost to sign Britton ?
Could AA sell Robertson on coming home instead of wanting to be close to wifey’s neck of the woods ?
I feel they need 2 back end bullpen arms more importantly than a TOR starter.
If the Yankees sign Lynn it would be both a bad move and a backwards move. Lynn was as bad as a pitcher can get with a 4.14 ERA. Plain and simple he was bad.
This is starting to be a trend for the Yankees. They talk big what they’re are going to do in Free Agency, but when the prospect is signed by another team they always buys a hand me down. Well, this is the best we can do to pacify the the fan base.
Gotta protect that bottom line!
So many opposing fans wanting Atlanta to mortgage their entire farm in order to overpay for a top end player. This is NEVER going to happen. We don’t have a fool for a GM, it has taken entirely too long to build up our minor league system and manage a rebuild to waist it all on a single player, if at all. I see him sticking with the free agent market completely before he makes a move that would be career suicide. Keuchel, Adam Jones, Britton, and call it a day while only losing a draft pick and money.
Fantastic point. I’d actually like to see AA liquidating a pitcher or 2 for low ball top tier prospects to keep the pipeline replenished. Too many want to give up 4 of Braves high prospects for a RIGHT FIELDER .. which is nuts when there are multiple options in the market including our RF from last year. Let Seattle keep their RF – sign Jones or Markakis, get some steady relief pitching and let’s see where the season leads too.
I actually still want the Braves to go hard for Realmuto even after bringing McCann back. There is more than enough of a market to move Flowers if it does happen.
Soroka, Riley & Jenista with a maybe a lower level prospect could get it done if the Marlins really did have interest in Soroka & Riley
Don’t let this distract you from the fact that the Red Sox are your 2018 WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!!
1. Acuna
2. Donaldson
3. Freeman
4. Realmuto
5. Markakis
6. Albies
7. Inciarte
8. Dansby
That is a great lineup. I think whatever the Marlins want within reason you make it happen. And he wouldn’t break the bank. From what I read they are still going hard for him so I guess it’s a chance.
Replace Markakis with anybody. Puig for 1 yr would’nt be bad, he’s playing for a contract and would fit in with our young guys. He does’nt hit LHP well but Duvall needs at bats.
Puig, to anyone but the Padres.
You guys are all trolls.
The Yankees are a decent team and probably a playoff team as currently constructed, but let’s not pretend they have a good rotation. There is a reason they’re in on every starting pitcher with a pulse. The offense is good enough and they play in a little league park, so they’ll score enough to grab a wild card but they won’t go anywhere in October unless they address the rotation.
The Rays are an intriguing team that should be commended for doing the most with the least year in and year out, but let’s not pretend the “opener” idea comes out of anything other than necessity. If they had the Astros rotation, they’d scrap that idea in two seconds flat.
And the reason pitchers don’t want to pitch there is they don’t want to play 81 games in a stadium where a lazy fly ball to right can be a grand slam, and then go on the road to Camden, Fenway and Rogers Centre all year long.
If the Braves could pull off some kind of blockbuster for Kluber, Haniger and Hand like I said above I think they could also bust a move for Joey Gallo to play LF and sign Evan Gattis to bolster the bench 1 year 3 mil
1. Ronald Acuna CF
2. Josh Donaldson 3B
3. Freddie Freeman 1B
4. Mitch Haniger RF
5. Joey Gallo LF
6. Ozzie Albies 2B
7. Brian McCann C
8. Dansby Swanson
Bench
Camargo
Duvall
Gattis
Flowers/McCann
Culberson
1. Kluber
2. Foltynewicz
3. Gausman
4. Soroka
5. Toussaint
Brad Hand
AJ Minter
Arodys Vizcaino
Darren O’Day
Chad Sobotka
Dan Winkler
Jesse Biddle or Johnny Venters
Will have a void to fill next year without Riley to take over at 3rd but Camargo is capable if they can’t find a better option.
Also C could be a weakness after the year, probably this year but I think they could get by until William Contreras is ready, if he pans out.
They’ve got the prospects to do it, this would make them WS favorites in my opinion.. Especially if Donaldson could bounce back.
Please please please stay away from Lynn. Never again
I don’t think the Indians are trading Kluber or Bauer to the Yankees. The Indians will want too much to trade with the Yankees so highly doubt that they will get either of those guys. The Yankees will be just fine though they have a top 3 of Severino, Paxon, and Tanaka. They have some injury issues but they have decent depth in there rotation and there offense is still scary. I could easily see a big rebound year from Sanchez. I expect the Red Sox and Yankees to slug it out again this year in the AL East and it will probably come down to who is healthiest to who wins the division. I’m sure the Yankees are going to make one more big signing probably either Machado or Harper they definitely have the salary room so let’s get ready for a great battle in AL East next year can’t wait.
Nathan Eovaldi played on both the Red Sox and Yankees. He quickly chose the Red Sox over yesterdays news Yankees!
Eovaldi to the Yankees. Corbin to the Nationals.
Lynn to the Yankees … maybe. Haha. Oh how the Yankee “mystique” has fallen off a cliff!
If someone wants haniger I’d need your #1 and #2 prospects and a mlb starter. And then a low level prospect too.
And that #1 better be a top 20 overall
If they re-sign Lynn, Happ, Robertson and Ottovino, that could work.
Tigers: Teheran, Rio ruiz, Gohara and demeritte
Braves: Castellanos and a ptbnl
Inciarte
Acuña
Freeman
Donaldson
Castellanos
Albies
McCann/Flowers
Swanson
Today’s Teheran trade proposal. Only three more to reach a thousand before the new year.