Dec. 3: The trade is official, tweets Passan. The two sides will make an announcement today, it seems.
Dec. 1, 8:49pm: Cano has indeed waived his no-trade clause, per Morosi. It’ll be Cano, Diaz and $20MM for Bruce, Swarzak, Kelenic, Dunn and Bautista, Heyman tweets. The trade will save the Mariners approximately $64MM, Johns notes on Twitter. It should become official “late Monday,” Sherman reports.
8:10pm: A deal is in place, pending physicals, Tenchy Rodriguez of ESPN Deportes Radio reports (Twitter link via Jon Morosi of MLB.com). The trade could be announced as early as Monday, Martino tweets.
3:38pm: The aforementioned “work” to be done on the deal, per Ken Rosenthal on Twitter, is tri-fold: The commissioner’s office must approve the amount of money exchanging hands in the deal, each player must pass his physical, and Robinson Cano must give official approval to waive his no-trade clause. Per Rosenthal, the trade should be announced “early next week.”
Nov. 30, 6:24pm: The Mariners are only expected to chip in something in the mid-$20MM range to cover Cano’s salary, per Passan (via Twitter). Seattle will still be absorbing the two significant contracts, of course, but it seems the New York org will be paying for about half of Cano’s contract (while also presumptively paying Diaz in arbitration).
Meanwhile, there’s still work to be done on the deal, which Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets will not be concluded this evening.
8:15am: The Mets and Mariners aren’t expected to formally announce anything today, Heyman tweets. That said, Newsday’s David Lennon suggests that the parameters of the deal are largely believed to be in place, so the lack of a Friday announcement doesn’t indicate that there’s any kind of snag in the deal.
Nov. 29, 11:56pm: Bautista would indeed be the fifth piece going to Seattle in the deal, as currently constructed, Sherman tweets.
11:30pm: McNeil will not be included in the trade if it is ultimately completed, per Sherman. Instead, he tweets that the Mets will send Kelenic, Dunn, Bruce, Swarzak and another reliever to the Mariners. Notably, Sherman reports that medical info has still yet to be reviewed, and Cano has yet to waive his no-trade clause (though there’s no expectation that he’ll veto a trade that would send him back to New York City).
10:15pm: It seems that the two sides haven’t quite finalized the group of players who’d head to Seattle in the deal. Martino tweets that the Mets are still “hesitant” to include McNeil and are currently proposing right-hander Gerson Bautista in addition to Kelenic, Dunn, Bruce and Swarzak.
Obviously, that’d be a fairly substantial change to the deal’s perception; Bautista is a flamethrowing young righty with upside, but he’s yet to find success in the Majors or even the upper minors. McNeil, meanwhile, looked like a potential big league regular in his rookie season with the Mets this past season.
Puma had previously tweeted that McNeil wasn’t in the trade as of yesterday, though there’s “some thought that may have changed today,” so it seems as if the organization could be on the fence about whether to ultimately include the promising 26-year-old.
8:40pm: The trade is “expected to be completed by Friday,” tweets Passan. He further clarifies that it’s not yet clear how much money the Mariners would send to the Mets to help offset Cano’s remaining contract. Sending Bruce and Swarzak to Seattle would effectively leave the Mets on the hook for $86MM of Cano’s salary, and it seems fair to expect that Seattle would add some additional cash to help further offset the financial commitment to Cano.
Mike Puma of the New York Post tweets that things have advanced to the point where the Mets have begun to formally alert players to the fact that they’re in a deal that is on the verge of completion (albeit not yet 100 percent complete).
8:08pm: The offer on the table, at present, would see McNeil, Kelenic, Dunn, Bruce and Swarzak all head to Seattle in exchange for Cano and Diaz, tweets Martino. He cautions that the two sides have not yet reviewed medical information on the players involved, which always has the potential to throw a wrench into trade negotiations. Heyman tweets that a combination of those names is on the table.
7:11pm: A trade involving Diaz and Cano is close to being agreed upon, tweets Rosenthal.
6:33pm: Sherman tweets that the talks between the two sides are indeed intensifying, adding that the Mariners are now focused on the Mets rather than any other potential trade partners. Both Bruce and Swarzak could be included as a means of helping to offset Cano’s salary, and there are plenty of details to be sorted out, including medical reports and Cano’s no-trade clause.
5:40pm: Talks between the Mariners and Mets are reaching a “critical stage,” tweets Rosenthal. He notes that New York’s offer to Seattle includes some combination (but not all) of Kelenic, Dunn, McNeil, Bruce and Swarzak. That latter pair of names would seemingly be more about offsetting salary than anything else, while the first three are all well-regarded young players who’d provide the Mariners organization with a substantial amount of long-term value.
Meanwhile, MLB.com’s Greg Johns tweets that talks are indeed accelerating. A deal seems quite likely, per Johns, though the specific names involved are still being sorted out.
5:15pm: The Mariners are talking to multiple clubs about Cano, Diaz and shortstop Jean Segura, Rosenthal tweets. Those negotiations include myriad scenarios, including combinations of those three players as well as standalone deals for each. Similarly, Sherman adds that the Mets are operating with the belief that they’re one of many clubs in talks with the Mariners as they explore trades for combinations of those three as well as standalone swaps.
1:24pm: The teams have discussed scenarios involving both Cano and Diaz individually, as well as package arrangements, per Martino (via Twitter).
10:13am: “Significant momentum” has built toward a deal that would send high-dollar veteran second baseman Robinson Cano and top-shelf young closer Edwin Diaz from the Mariners to the Mets, according to Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports (Twitter links). Cano has reportedly not yet been asked to waive his no-trade rights, though Passan adds that is not expected to represent a significant hurdle.
Joel Sherman of the New York Post characterizes things somewhat differently in his own series of tweets. His sources indicate that the “Mets do not currently feel like they are close to a deal,” though he also makes clear that the interest is serious. Notably, Sherman suggests that the New York organization still doesn’t have a firm sense of whether the M’s are committed to packaging Cano and Diaz at all. Indeed, indications are that the Seattle org is still engaged with other clubs.
Obviously, the full parameters of this potential swap have yet to be revealed in full. And it’s hardly a done deal. But some chatter about other pieces has emerged as well. Recent first-round draft picks Jarred Kelenic and Justin Dunn are “under discussion” along with other pre-MLB assets, per Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (Twitter link). Youngster David Peterson is also in the conversation, Jon Heyman of Fancred tweets. It’s important to emphasize that there is no specific indication that any or all of these young players is involved in a specific, fully built out scenario that the two organizations are deciding upon. Rather, per Heyman, the sides are tossing around different deal structures, with the Mariners demanding prospect value if they’re to part with Diaz.
Particulars aside, it’s rather stunning to see that the concept — a deal packaging Cano’s $120MM in remaining salary with Diaz — has advanced to this stage. There are certainly shades of the 2015 Melvin Upton/Craig Kimbrel swap here, so there is a clear model to follow, but this new proposal involves somewhat more extreme contract rights. (Upton was owed nearly $75MM less at the time of that swap than Cano is now, for instance.)
Cano is already 36 years of age, and sat out half the 2018 campaign due to a suspension for use of a masking agent, so the five years left on his deal are hardly an appealing proposition. But he’s also still a high-quality major-leaguer. Diaz, meanwhile, is unquestionably the top relief asset that could be had on this winter’s market. Though the aforementioned Kimbrel is an immensely accomplished closer who’s presently available in free agency, Diaz handily outperformed him last year. More importantly, he has the clear edge in youth and cost.
Unquestionably, quite a bit more will be involved in any actual trade than the two players rumored to this point. The Mariners will in all likelihood hold on to some of Cano’s contract and/or absorb a Mets contract in return. And the New York club will surely send back some talent. Those details will determine the ultimate merits of the swap for each club.
We’ll have to wait to learn the details, if anything is actually concluded. But it seems clear even from these reports of intense interest that the Mets are not only chasing the elite young closer, but see an opportunity to capture a some value from Cano, whose contract new GM Brodie Van Wagenen negotiated in his prior life as an agent. The long-time star is clearly not in his prime, but he still hit quite a bit when he wasn’t on the restricted list last year. Presumably, he’d step in at his accustomed second base, a position he can still handle (albeit not at his once-elite levels).
Adding Cano at second would dislodge Jeff McNeil, who emerged last year with an outstanding debut showing. The Mets would still have other options to shift around their infield pieces. It could also be that McNeil would move in the trade. He has appeared in the conversation between the organizations, MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo tweets. McNeil already 26 years of age and only just debuted in the majors in 2018, but was one of the most pleasant surprises league-wide in the just-completed campaign. He not only showed off his typically excellent plate discipline, but turned in a notable power surge (as against his prior minor-league track record) and then slashed a hefty .329/.381/.471 in 248 big league plate appearances.
The full potential ramifications, clearly, would depend upon as-yet-unknown specifics. That’s due in no small part to the still-unknown slate of prospects that could be involved and, even more importantly from a MLB roster perspective, the contracts that could head the other way. We’ve heard Jay Bruce’s name thrown around quite a bit as a potential big contract to go to Seattle. Perhaps Juan Lagares would hold more appeal to the M’s, as a defensive stalwart who seems to fit the mold of player that Mariners GM Jerry Dipoto often targets, though he’s not owed as much. Todd Frazier, Jason Vargas, and Anthony Swarzak are among the other costly veteran pieces who could in theory be utilized to facilitate a swap.
For now, then, it doesn’t seem we know all that much more about the realistic possibilities than we have for the past week or so, as Cano/Diaz rumors have permeated the hot stove landscape. Even the level of seriousness of the Mets has been suggested, with SNY.tv’s Andy Martino calling the club an “aggressive” pursuer. Previously, though, it has hardly been evident that there was a realistic path to a trade that would lead to a match. The importance of these most recent developments is that, as Passan puts it, “there is an increasing expectation a trade will get finished.”
c1234
They will regret trading deal if they do.
Royalsfan12
Are you talking about New York or Seattle?
c1234
I meant “Diaz” I dead of “deal”
mrnatewalter
Dude, slow down. Check what you wrote and then hit “post”. I get errors, but it’s difficult to read what someone says when they are more quick to post than they are to proofread.
ldfanatic
Thanks, mom.
Android Dawesome
By adding the comma does that make you the Mom in this comment?
Sheep8
Says the man who said “more quick”
LH
Nobody needs this
ayrbhoy
Haha touché
Samuel
This is like the Mariners-Padres trade that Ken Rosenthal broke last week.
srechter
I really hope geez, and everyone who upvoted him, knows that the comma was entirely accurate.
Android Dawesome
It is debateable which is why I posed my comment as a question. Im sure if you google it you can find a wealth of stimulating conversation on the topic. Using a comma can also be used as a salutation… such as “Thank you for your consisderation, *your name here*”
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
That’s silly. I’m an old man and I’ve NEVER met anybody named “your name here.”
lammyj34
Lol
callingoutdummies247
He wanted to be first, I’m surprised he didn’t follow it up with a “first comment!!” Post
callingoutdummies247
Geez…. classic!!!
TeddyBallgameYazJimEd
In English please
steelerbravenation
Lol
Marc (Phillies Phan)
LH – the trade or the grammar/spell check? “This” is an unclear pronoun reference and it hard for me to discern which “this” refers to.
camdenyards46
They won’t regret it after he regresses.
Sheep8
I’ve seen a ton pictures of jerseys with a person called “your name”, but never “your name here”.
Fuck Me Bitch
Finally, an intelligent baseball fan!
xabial
crazy thing is this might break the record for most comments in a story in history of mlbtr
738 is my unofficial record, this story has 6xx. With weekend coming, any updates to this if/when it’s official would mean a historic day for mlbtr in addition to Mets/Mariners 🙂
xabial
Whoops, was 732* posts. Keep track of it cuz believe more posts is better for mlbtr and love talking baseball with all you 🙂
jmchale40
Honestly…that’s weird
xabial
Go for 1000. Comment sections’ going extinct
I love seeing this one thriving…
Dock_Elvis
After scanning through most comment sections…yeah theres a reason it’s going extinct. Place used to have moderators. Now its inches and inches of trolling and trash talk
jmchale40
It’s a few annoying people that post on everything so their voice is simply heard.
Xabial is honestly the worst. He makes some great points, but he needs to cut back on the nonsense. His comments are batting below the Mendoza line, and terrible obp.
He is the Juan Pierre of comments. Dude gets tons of abs, lots of hits, no he’s.
It ruins the comments section for the hose who make a well thought out once in a blue moon post.
I mean, the guy keeps tabs on number of comments? Sad really…no one to talk to in real life I guess
jrwhite21
So close bud
xabial
@jmchale40
LoL. I won’t take the bait.
Cmon man. This thread is about to be most commented of all time, no need for that. If you’re new here, these are the type of posts that make the comments sections go poof and what we like to call a “troll”
On a scale of 0 to 1 on personal scale, that post was “below Mendoza line” and “low obp.” You the “Yuniesky Betancourt” of comments.
luclusciano
@Geez – thanks for the laugh.
xabial
Update: 808 posts. Wow! Shattered previous record. Congrats, Tim. love MLBTR, best MLB news source on the internet, you’ve an amazing staff…
What makes it more impressive: was accomplished without Disqus
MetsYankeesRedSox
Ok X….you know these writers. Talk them into some sort of award for being the 1000th post. Doesn’t have to be anything physical. Maybe just post their screen name somewhere on this site for a week.
MetsYankeesRedSox
I see some of my posts get deleted for content no doubt, so……seeing you monitor this stuff, how about it?
This is historic in ways.
PickleRiccck
Ohhh laawwwddd 1034 comments. And have you read them all? Somebody got get tell me what your job is so I can be paid to read MLBTR.
the kutch
Mutts, for sure…
Senioreditor
1181……….and counting
BrandonBrave91
Ms should trade cano and Diaz to braves. Ms get Dansby Swanson, Darren o’day, Adam Duvall, and Julio Teheran for Cano and Diaz and Seattle pays 15% of cano’s contract over next 5 years. Braves move albies to ss and get a stud reliever to strengthen bullpen. Braves add another big bat to middle of lineup. Imagine
Lineup of
CF Inciarte
RF Acuna
1b Freeman
3B Donaldson
2B cano
C Flowers/McCann
LF Riley or whoever they chose
SS albies
P.
That’s alot of homerun power there.
mrnatewalter
I’ll tell you what. You send me a $1,000 and in return, I’ll send you an envelope with all the lint, loose pennies, and dog hair I find under my couch cushions.
That seems fair, right?
bighiggy
Mrnatewalter, you my friend made me laugh so hard I spit my gum out. Thanks
BrandonBrave91
Theres a way to disagree with someone without being condensending. So what if I made a bad trade proposal? Are you a vulture waiting to pick someone limb from limb? Just say, hey man, that’s a bad idea because x,y,z. No need to try to insult me or my intelligence but such a pompous remark. And no, I’m not offended, just disappointed for you.
BrandonBrave91
By* not but. Autocorrect
mokes65
Honestly, I think the Braves would be giving too much.. Braves would owe an aging Cano $102 million. I wouldnt take Cano and Diaz for a low level prospect.
Diaz’s incredible value is offset by Cano’s albatross of a contract.
larry2bernandez
It would be more like $80 million since Seattle would be eating O’Day and Teheran’s contracts.
Cano is projected for about 3 WAR next season, which is worth about $30 million at current FA prices.
A reasonable expectation from Cano might be 3 WAR next season, then 2 WAR, then 1 WAR, and maybe 0 WAR for the final two years. So the Braves would end up getting roughly $60 million in performance, while paying $80 million. But they also get Edwin Diaz for cheap. As things stand, Diaz is a substantial upgrade from Swanson.
greatd
Cespedes is the only real big contract they have right now so
why not take on some payroll to make the roster better
Think they still need a lot to catch the Nationals / Braves / Phillies
Considering the other teams in the division are buyers as well
lammyj34
Lol
showman
There is no such way
Gland1 2
You sound offended.
Priggs89
Cano’s contract is not an albatross. It’s not good by any means, but it’s certainly not as bad as some people are trying to make it seem. He’s still a solid player at the very least.
bencole
It’s a terrible contract.
TeddyBallgameYazJimEd
Fewer words my friend..and less coffee
CardsNation5
Don’t forget that he played in a pitchers park. His numbers will go up in the NL East.
rightwingrick
It’s only a bad contract if he doesn’t perform, and over the last five years, including hitting over .300 last year, he has performed well.
Benjamin560
The Mets could potentially have talked down the “Diaz” asking price by potentially assuming Cano’s contract.
Which would only make sense if you try and flip Diaz at the TradecDeadline for a better haul. Smart move if it actually happens.
ckln88
Not when he’s still out performing it.
nikki29a
lmfao but yeah *thanks for the offer but i will have to pass* i’ll keep my 1000m and you keep your lint
larry48
I can’t see why Seattle would take Bruce for any reason.
Dock_Elvis
What are you new? You got a funny response….mlbtr comment section is a sewer with keyboard warrior rats typically. If you want decent conversation…find a good FB group that actually moderated.
sovtechno
Perhaps, but it is much easier to get people to side with you when you are hilarious.
Phanatic 2022
That was good
Phanatic 2022
But his way is much funnier
NL_East_Rivalry
No team wants another team’s scraps.
BrandonBrave91
Swanson, Duvall and teheran are not scraps. O’day is more of an unknown at this point but by no means are these guys scraps.
mrnatewalter
Duvall won’t even be tendered a contract by the Braves tomorrow. That’s the definition of “scraps”
Cuso
Swanson, Duvall and Teheran are pretty much scraps. Your allegiance may skew your vision a little bit.
lammyj34
Agreed
bencole
Duvall is a non-tender candidate and Teheran is hot garbage. I wouldn’t take Teheran for free at his salary. Even half of his salary.
mlb1225
Duvall is scraps. He would be a throw in piece in any trade.
mattm-13
You wouldn’t take him for free at his salary? Just the salary would make him not free. You wouldn’t give up assets for him at his salary.
bencole
No I wouldn’t let him on my roster at his salary. Teheran is not very good.
Mjm117
Lol Another ridiculous trade proposal from a brave homer
BrandonBrave91
I’m not a braves homer. Just a fan.
gmenfan
Feels like a trade that a Yankees fan would propose. Minus Ellsbury, of course.
PhilliesFan012
Why would the mariners accept the braves replacements for the top closer in all of baseball and Cano? Despite canos contract that package would the the worst return I’ve ever seen in my life.
thetruth 2
Treinen says hi but agreed with the rest.
BrandonBrave91
The ms would get a great defensive short stop in dansby. Also Duvall is not some throw in. He plays excellent defense and could replace alot of the power lost from trading cano. Teheran is a proven #3/4 starter and o’day isnt exactly a toss in either. It’s not as bad a trade proposal as yall are making it out to be. The whole point in adding in Diaz is for salary relief on cano’s contract.
Owen National
The Treinen trade was not terrible for the Nats. They received a bullpen ace in Sean Doolittle.
lammyj34
The reason the M’s have Diaz in the deal is because they want to get something back for him and having Cano in the deal is to get rid of his contract. Diaz is the only value that would allow Cano to be traded in the process because Cano has so much money. It’s not a deal for Cano, the Mets are getting Diaz mainly which is why they have so many more prospects in the deal than vets. Cano wasn’t going to get top prospects in return because he doesn’t play as well as he used to. If the Brave wanted Diaz and Cano it would be. Swanson, Inciarte, Probably either Soroka or Wright and another top prospect like Austin Riley. They might even need to throw in another vet to counter act the contract that comes with Robby. But yes Swanson, Duvall, Teheran, and O’Day would be a bad deal and there really isn’t an argument that the Mariners would do that. The mariners would do that if it included 3 top prospects
CincyMariner
Cano just put up 3 WAR in 1/2 a season. That means he was just a 6 WAR player. I would tell them I won’t do the deal unless its McNeil, Kelenic, Dunn, Bautista, and Bruce. Even then I think its a crappy trade. WAR is valued at $9M per win. That means Cano was producing at a level that without his injury or suspension would’ve generated $54M in value and if you minus the $24M he makes, that’s a $30M excess of value. That’s how his value should be determined. Then you subtract 1/2 a win for each year.
So let’s say Cano is a 5 WAR player next year, that makes him 5, 4.5, 4. 3.5, 3 for the remaining 5 years. Added together he projects to be worth 20 WAR over 5 years which currently values at $180M minus his $120M owed to him and you have $60M in excess value. If you are boarish on Cano, you might say $40M in excess value, that should still get Kelenic straight up, with no salary dump.
The fact that Seattle is only getting a busted relief prospect and a late top 100 prospect, while also taking on $35M in salary and giving away Diaz makes this a horrible deal. If they don’t get McNeil back Dipoto just got Jedi mindtricked into giving away 8 WAR of talent for lottery tickets and scraps that will not lower payroll this year.
Phil253
You sir, make the most sense out of anyone here. And if there’s no McNeil in this deal then the m’s shouldn’t do it.
luclusciano
I was thinking the Mets got the better of this deal, you have literally convinced me with facts.
elmore80
I could go along with that. Add Vizciano and M’s pay 20%. I think we need a closer more than a Starter and Cano’s LH bat would be nice behind Donaldson.
larry2bernandez
In this hypothetical proposal, the Mariners get:
Dansby Swanson (4 years)
Julio Teheran ($12M for 1 year or $23M for 2 years)
Darren O’Day (1 year for $9M)
Adam Duvall (3 years)
Braves get:
Robinson Cano (5 years for $120M)
Edwin Diaz (4 years)
$18M from the Mariners
So the Mariners get to offload Cano’s contract for about $40M, and they get Swanson for the same amount of time they could keep Diaz.
steelerbravenation
No thanx want no part of that
Why not just sign David Robertson or Zach Britton
When are my fellow Brave fans going to realize Dansby is going nowhere. Local kid will be the face of the franchise soon enough. He has improved every season in one way or another we gotta be a little more patient. He will have a breakout year this year watch.
xthetouristx
Cano won’t go if Diaz goes to the Braves. Diaz would get us a couple of the top 10 Braves prospects on his own and if the Mariners were really interested in dumping some of Cano’s salary, they could still do a deal with the Mets for Bruce, Vargas, and Swarzak (while paying like $10-14m of Cano’s contract in 2021-2023).
BamaBraves
I posted this on another comment but here’s a good Braves proposal.
Braves and Yankees make the most sense. Braves trade for Cano, Diaz, and Segura. All 120M of Canos contract goes away to Yankees. This is how.
ATL keeps Diaz gets 2. top 20 prospects from Yanks for their facilitation
Seattle gets Julio (stop-gap starter) and 3. 20-50 prospects from ATL
Yankees get Cano and Segura plus 12M/Year over 4 years from ATL
KnicksFanCavsFan
Why would the Yankees take on all of Cano’s salary half way thru, and when he’s several years older, than the same scenario they refused when he became a free agent and they let him walk? No….just…..no.
BamaBraves
Hence the Braves paying half
AllRiseForTheJudge
LOL why would the Yankees send Atlanta TWO TOP 20 prospects for “facilitating” them taking on all of a well-past-his-prime and coming off a steroid suspension Robinson Cano?
The Yankees would GET prospects from Atlanta for taking Cano off Seattle’s hands to avoid forcing the Braves to eat that contract as a condition of getting Diaz, and Atlanta would also help pay down Cano’s contract. Your proposal is laughable, teams don’t give up good prospects for taking a salary dump.
stansfield123
BamaBraves, that seems like a balanced trade, but the Yanks have ONE hole in the middle infield, not two. And even that one hole is only there for half a year, Didi’s coming back in the summer.
Also, I doubt Seattle want Teheran. They want prospects.
So let’s drop Segura and Teheran: Atlanta trade for Diaz and Cano, Cano comes to the Yankees. The three teams split the bill on Cano evenly (everyone eats $40M). Seattle get a pitching prospect from each of the two teams: Loaisiga from the Yanks and Gohara from the Braves.
SoCalBrave
Brandon, you would need to add Soroka to that deal and if you want the Ms to pick up 15%, another prospect would be needed.
BrandonBrave91
Thank you. And yes I’ll agree my proposed return package to Ms was a bit light. I would absolutely include soroka or even touki. However, I feel that most on here are overreacting to my initial post and are undervaluing Swanson, Teheran and Duvall. It’s not like I suggested we gave them our 4 worst players. Anyway. Thanks for your kind and insightful comment. I was only trying to open a discussion. Way to many narrow minded people on here
bencole
Duvall literally will get non-tendered tomorrow. He adds literally zero value to the trade. And Teheran isn’t good. Dansby is good on D and a decent player who’s unlikely to be a star at this point. I just think the reason you’ll get rid of these guys is because outside of Dansby they are spare parts.
stansfield123
Soroka is a 60/80 pitching prospect. According to fangraphs, that’s worth $60M.
So no, he has no business being in a package for Cano+ Diaz.
If Soroka was in play, then the Braves could realistically just flip him for Diaz, straight up, without taking on a single cent. But, of course, they have no reason to trade their best pitching prospect….they have plenty of other valuable pieces, deeper down the depth chart.
BrandonBrave91
Well Duvall literally did NOT get non tendered… so theres that.
SDHotDawg
I’m curious … are Mets fans more excited about getting Diaz, or the PED using cheater Cano?
RaeRae
F___K Yeah, the Mets will regret this deal. Kelenic is one of their top prospects, and McNeil has been a consistenly good hitter just like he was all throughout his minor league career. He always was an on base machine when he was healthy, and always had a a good batting average, and a really good OBP too. . Dunn found himself in 2018, and was a really good Double AA starting pitcher. If I’m Fred Wilpon I would immediately fire Brodie I’m a Stupid Ass Van Numbnutz immediately if not sooner.
xabial
Closer’s the most volatile position in sports. However…
Diaz might be a keeper:
“Pretty incredible stat: the Mariners went 66-0 this year when Edwin Diaz entered with a lead, including 61-0 in his save chances. Diaz blew four saves, but the Mariners came back to win each one.” mobile.twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/1068567391…
todda1
Am I the only one that thinks Cano is still a really good player?
dimitrios in la
No but his contract with age and his baggage is IMO undesirable.
Brixton
theres not really that much baggage. Dude got suspended once. Oh well, who cares. No one is complaining about Nelson Cruz’s baggage.
Hes being treated like a liability due to his contract, so a season of suspension that you don’t have to pay him would be a good thing anyways so.
Jimcarlo Slaton
If he was using PEDs at age 35 with hundreds of millions secured, and on track for the Hall Of Fame, what does that say for the likelihood he was using prior to establishing himself and joining the Mariners? He comes with a huge amount of baggage.
matteste187
How did cano look at 3B?
Vizionaire
tell that to bonds who was never suspended for ped’s and didn’t even test positive while steroids were against mlb rules.
sportingdissent
Point of clarification – he did not test positive for PEDs. He was flagged for having a diarrhetic in his system. It’s not quite the same thing, even though it comes with the same suspension. For all we know, Cano could have a heroin addiction he was trying to mask.
basilisk4
I think it was a diuretic, though it would be funny if he was purposely trying to give himself diarrhea.
ayrbhoy
JimCarlo- Complete speculation, dismissed!!
Goku the Knowledgable One
I agree. I find it fishy that even tho around 75% of pro athletes make the pros because of juicing in highschool/college.. very few get caught in the pros.
giveemthecurve
I think he was rated at average or just below average in his short time at third. Small sample size though obviously.
Priggs89
No, a season of suspension that you don’t have to pay him wouldn’t be a good thing – unless it’s in the last year or two.
thefenwayfaithful 2
See the thing that most people don’t understand is Cano was caught using a banned substance, but not a PED. It is a drug that is often used as a masking agent but it is also used to treat a variety of illnesses. Cano, yes, should have known better. But grouping in all guys who used banned substances with PED users is a dangerous game. Chris Davis had his monster year using ADHD medications banned by MLB without proper consent. He did have a prescription, but never got it cleared that particular season with MLB.
There’s a lot of nuances in these things. Be careful and do your research before making accusations. I’m no Cano fan, but I do believe that everyone deserves due diligence before random accusations are made. I don’t think I’d really count this particular suspension as baggage, or suspect a decline in performance because he’s “not using PEDs anymore”.
Just my 2 cents from reading up on his suspension more when these trade talks started!
billneftleberg
Dumbo, he started using because he was adding weight as he aged. That’s what diuretics are used for, they aren’t classified as a performance enhancing drug. They are used sometimes as a masking agent but in cano’s case you can see he’s added weight. it happens to most people as they get older.
thefenwayfaithful 2
In all fairness Bill, I don’t blame their ignorance on the individuals. MLB does an absolutely wonderful job with catching these guys and suspending them. But they do an absolutely awful job of discussing the conditions in which the substance was used. Cano actually had to do this himself.
I think MLB should make a more concerned effort to educate the fan base on what these guys are using, when and why so that people aren’t left in the dark without doing extensive research. To be honest, I had to research the situation, the allegations, the conclusion and the drug itself before recognizing why Cano was clearly using this substance. But my assumption up until that point was the same as some of these others, he was masking PED usage. That assumption was completely wrong.
mattm-13
No. Just no.
Jimcarlo Slaton
Speculation or not, as an older player coming off a drug suspension, he still comes with a lot of uncertainty. Not questioning the legitimacy of his career prior to 2018 in light of the suspension is foolish.
Big, big risk when you factor age and the suspension.
Jimcarlo Slaton
BS, there’s no evidence he was using to lose weight. There are healthier, legal alternatives…What nonsense.
thefenwayfaithful 2
Its still the right move to have suspended Cano. Cano accepted it because he knows that he should have checked. He could have appealed, but as he wasn’t denying anything, there was no sense in it.
Unfortunately, this will taint his career because everyone will have their opinion on it, but he definitely gained a lot of weight and could have other underlying medical conditions as well.
Listen, I’m a Sox fan and I’d love to be the one to go, “Haha Cano was dirty. Another Yankee that just couldn’t do it the right way.” I live for the valid moments to mock the Yankees. But I think most of MLB is quite confident Cano is clean as a whistle from the PED side of things and always has been. He’s been tested by the league in the past and has never come up for any drug or masking agent. This looks like a mistake.
The age for sure is a huge factor though. He’s 36 already. In this world, he’s oldddd….
bush1
Cano was using a masking agent because he was taking PED’s. That’s literally the Only reason to take what he was taking. So yes it makes sense to group him in with PED guys because clearly he is one.
YourDaddy
You don’t use things that make you pee to lose weight. You use things that increase your metabolism. Cano was cheating and using a diuretic to mask his use of PED. That is why he so readily accepted his 80 game ban.
But if you really believe he was using pee inducing drugs to lose weight, I have oceanfront land to sell you in Colorado.
dobsonel
I would assume the Mets would get the Mariners to pay down the salary a lot. As for the Baggage, if he gets hurt, insurance may kick in and if he gets popped for more roids then I believe he forfeits the money for time missed
cardsfan19
I doubt it. I think the mariners are looking to dump the salary. I would guess the Mets are going to pick up all of that contract or very close to all of it.
dray16
if they are looking to just dumb salary, including Diaz in the deal isn’t too bright
Senioreditor
Who’s taking that salary without Diaz??? No one!
newyorkyankee7
The whole idea of including Diaz in the deal means the acquiring team pays most of Cano’s contract.
dobsonel
The Mets are way too cheap to take on all of it. Even with Diaz.
dobsonel
No one is taking that salary even with Diaz. Cano would be worth about $8 – $10 mil on the open market. If the Mets took this entire contract just to get Diaz that would be the equivalent of paying Diaz $14 mil per year. They might as well just sign Britton and skip this deal entirely if they want to spend that much on a closer.
RobBoSoxNMariners
Woah.. 8 to 10 mil on the open market? That is pretty low for a guy that hits for high average, hits 20 hr/yr and is more than an adequate defender. Come on.
dobsonel
Not when you factor in 36 years old with a recent steroid suspension. If he was a FA this year, he’d be lucky to get 3/30m.
brockbartels
You’re a moron
dobsonel
Who’s a moron?
thefenwayfaithful 2
8-10 mil? That’s what Dozier is going to get if not more. Cano is a $15-20 mil AAV player. His contract isn’t that bad if he’s healthy. He’s just not a useful piece for Dipoto right now and hamstrings their budget. That doesn’t mean taking on that salary will hamstring another team if they have a need at 2B.
The M’s are looking for the right fit here. Giving away Diaz AND absorbing salary would go completely against what they are trying to do. They may eat 10% of the deal. I doubt they go beyond that.
dobsonel
Well time will tell, but the rumor is they already have it paid down to almost 15 mil with the contract swap alone let alone the dollars coming back. If you’d ever give a 36 year old a 5 year 75 to 100 mil contract then you are insane. By the way that is exactly what you just said he’s worth.
dobsonel
Looks like the ended up eating almost 50% with the $20 mil cash + 2 bad contracts. Still a great win for the Mariners.
fc4391
If you work the numbers with Bruce and swarzak salaries gone and 20 mill from Mariners Mets get Cano and Diaz for 65million. Those are pre arb for Diaz. A good deal for both teams.
mattynokes
Whether right or wrong, people care about PEDs for all of about 10 seconds after the suspension is up and welcome the player back with open arms. Just ask Bartolo Colon.
thefenwayfaithful 2
Its about what you did, how you did it, why you did it and what you did when you were accused. There’s a reason some guys get attention and others don’t. Those who own up to PED usage or explain and apologize are in one category. Those who don’t own up and say they don’t owe any explanation are in another.
And then there are guys like Cano and Davis and others who have gotten in trouble with the league for using a banned substance for medicinal reasons. The substance Cano used is called furosemide or better known as Lasix which is a diuretic. Yes it can be used to block PED usage, but in Cano’s case, he was prescribed it by a doctor in the D.R. for legitimate health reasons.
Cano should have had his personal manager or agent check the banned substance list for anything he’s taking and I’m sure he will do that moving forward. He owned up, took responsibility, explained what and why and the Mariners and players forgave him. Most of us fans never got the whole scoop. I’m pretty confident Cano is not a PED user and I think in fact its unfair that people are categorizing him that way.
khopper10
Nope. This may cause me to question my Mariners fanhood depending on the final shape of the deal.
Julio Franco's Birth Certificate
Why? The M’s get back Jay Bruce and the remaining contract and past glory of David Wright. What’s not to like?
ayrbhoy
Sarcasm, ah! You mean 0.6 WAR’s Jay Bruce? No thanks
ayrbhoy
Khopper10- I’m feeling the exact same way, in fact if they do this I can’t help but think it’s another bad decision in a fantastically long list of them! Our organization is successful at one thing- knowing how to screw sh*t up and ultimately lose baseball games.
khopper10
Go look at recent returns for elite relievers: Torres for Chapman, Sheffield and Frazier for Miller, Mejia for Hand… then increase that return given Diaz’s dominance and years of control. If they just trade Diaz for Cano salary relief I don’t even know what to think.
thefenwayfaithful 2
I’m 100% on board with you Khopper… I’m not an M’s fan, but this is a dumb deal. They are treating the Cano contract the way teams treat bad contracts and I really stand by I don’t think Cano will be that much worse then 5/$120 if he’s healthy. So unless Dipoto knows something we don’t, I’m not quite sure why the heck they would just give away Diaz for salary relief. That being said, I don’t think there will be any takers for Cano’s contract without packaging some talent along with him. Diaz though? I was thinking more like a 2nd tier prospect or 2 and Cano for pretzels if you’re determined to salary dump him, and then flip Diaz on his own for a top prospect & some second tier prospects to take their place. The returns for relievers has been way too high to just give Diaz away considering his results and years of control.
I expect Dipoto to get creative though as he always does. I see this turning into a 3-team deal if it happens. There’s pieces missing.
bencole
Kelenic looks pretty good, so there’s that.
thefenwayfaithful 2
Sounds like a done deal, but wow… I love this deal for the Mets. I think this also effectively takes Syndergaard off the market, because this shows a clear intention to compete for the Mets. It’s hard to do that if you trade away your second best starter.
I just hope that Wilpon (in his traditional fashion) doesn’t metaphorically wash his hands and call it an off-season. They should really go for it at this point.
I can’t believe the M’s aren’t getting more for Diaz. A Miller rental and a Chapman rental essentially restocked a good chunk of the Yankees farm system. Diaz has higher potential then either and team control to boast as well. Huge mistake in my eyes by Dipoto. This will be the deal that seals his fate in Seattle.
shaner41
I agree!!! I like Cano and Diaz in Seattle, and if they go, I’m not going to be overly excited about the 2019 season in Seattle. I’m a Mariners’ fan who’s not excited about Cano and Diaz leaving. Sigh…
ayrbhoy
Shaner- Ms fan here also. It’s not just 2019 and this trade signals a full tear down, not a slight adjustment or retool so there’s likely to be losing seasons in Seattle w Jerry’s kids for at least 2-3 seasons. Their #3 prospect Kelenic and 4 Dunn would be the big pieces in the deal but Kelenic is one yr removed from High School and Dunn is in AA. Don’t know much about Gertson Bautista but with nearly every single young player it takes a couple seasons to find success in MLB. I won’t be driving up to watch the Ms lose anytime soon.
frankf
Not necessarily. But he’s 36 with 5 years left on a deal at $24mm per.
dray16
No, he’s good. If the Mets pull this off though, they better still play McNeil every day.
dray16
move McNeil to 3rd I’d hope for that down vote I got. McNeil is a very underrated player and proved he can play last year. The Mets would be stupid to ship him off or bench him.
manos
I agree they should move McNeill to the hot corner.
dray16
plus Cano isn’t playing 150+ games, McNeil can move around. Frazier needs to pick it up if he wants to play yet. maybe NY should look to move him as well.
Brixton
Cano played 150 games or more for 11 straight seasons before being hit with an 80 game suspension, and still played 80 games. I dont see how he isnt playing 150 games is a given
deweybelongsinthehall
The Mets eat half of Frazier’s contract and there should be multiple takers.
dray16
other than he’s 36 and there isn’t a DH in the NL and likely won’t be taking the drugs that got him banned for 80 games. wonder if that had anything to do with him staying on the field…..
dimitrios in la
Brixton, his history of 150+ games a season has no bearing—at all—on what he’ll do this season. Ask Albert Belle. Ask all the pitchers with multiple 200+ inning seasons who then spent a ton of time on the DL after that.
Brixton
not saying it does. Im saying to assume a guy who has barely missed a game he was allowed to play in in over a decade wont play a full season is wrong.
Kennon Riley
To ignore the aging curve and reject the assumption that Cano will not be an iron man moving forward is wrong.
thetruth 2
Small sample size with a high BABIP and surprising power doesn’t make him underrated, overrated though yes. He’s also rumored to be in the dealZ
lammyj34
McNeil looks like is heading to Seattle.
jdgoat
He still is. It’s just the deal that’s scary.
SirCheeto1
He’s still good, but he’s pretty much a 1st baseman at this point. Plus the fact that he has 5 years left on his contract and he’s 36.
ayrbhoy
SSS but Cano at 1B after his return from suspension was a complete disaster- he was directly responsible for game changing errors in at least 3 games I watched. He looked so uncomfortable and ill-fitting in every single game
khopper10
He was an above-average defensive 2B in 2018. He is not pretty much a 1B in 2019.
davidcoonce74
Cano, even with the PED suspension, was a 3-win player last year. He’s a Daniel Murphy type – the bat plays, even if the defense isn’t wuite uop to snuff anymore. And Diaz is just a beast.
chino31
Daniel Murphy comparison is an insult to Cano. Even at 36, Cano is more fluid than Murph and has a superior arm. Cano should be fine going forward for the Mets at second base for at least 3 years. Then he can shift to first or get traded back to an AL team that may be willing to take on the remaining portion of the contract for a quality DH bat.
deweybelongsinthehall
The waiving of the no trade now does not invalidate with respect to shipping him back to the AL later.
chino31
If he can be traded to a contending AL team for a shot to play in the post season, he will waive it.
KnicksFanCavsFan
Cano has a world series ring already. I think he’ll waive his rights as long as it’s not to a losing team but realistically what non-conder, besides the Mets, would even consider trading for him if they’re rebuilding?
stansfield123
Cano was a 3 win player last year, and a 3 win player again in 2018…this time, in half a year. So he’s at least a 4 win player.
connorreed
Cano was a Gold Glover not too long ago. Murphy has been a well below-average fielder his entire career.
Cano, based on all defensive metrics, is still an above-average defender (at least for now). Murphy is, as he’s always been, a major defensive liability.
ffjsisk
Nope. Deals gonna depend on how much the M’s eat in salary. Beltre played okay at an advanced age. Everybody’s different.
Slipknot37
He wont be soon. Hes already 36 and will start declining soon. Hopefully though he puts up good number for the Mets if the trade happens
walls17
He’s still good today. This contract ends when he’s 40
sabathiawouldbegoodattheeighthtoo
He’ll probably continue to be a really good player for a year or two. But late 30’s 2Bs tend to fall off of a cliff rather abruptly. Maybe the Mets can flip him (once the M’s pay down his salary) to an AL club by further paying down his salary, and chalk it all up to the cost of acquiring Diaz. Even if they pay pay half of Cano’s salary, it’s likely preferable to paying an older pitcher like Kimbrell the same money in free agency.
juicemane
Cano put up 7.3 WAR in 2016, good for #6 in the entire league.
shaner41
Cano is still very good. He still makes tough plays at 2nd base look easy. He’s a smart hitter with a quick bat. I’ve watched him closely (Mariner fan here!) and I’ve always been impressed with his defense and offense. I’m super annoyed with him taking PEDs or being in the gray area there…and he’s not my favorite player, and he’s lost some of my respect, but he’s good.
WestCoastSoxFan
He’s still solid, but that contract! If he were to hit the open market this Winter, he’d probably get about 3yr/$45m? Something like that? The Mets has better hope he ages well of they make this swap.
bradthebluefish
He’s still great. Probably has three more All-Star worthy years. It’s his final 1-2 years I’m worried about when Cano is hitting 40.
hoof hearted
Most think he might be productive for the next 2 maybe 3 years; BUT its the 4&5 years that scary.
Buddy “Bud” Hull
You’re not the only one. I’m a pretty big fan of his and the Mariners in general (less so lately), but he has continuing value. I could see him not wanting to stick around while a soft rebuild occurs and his best teammates are sent elsewhere, but his only real negative value is his contract, not his production. Over a whole season of 150+ games, I’d expect 3-4 fWAR if he wasn’t slowed by injuries. His bat is potent and he should continue to age semi-gracefully, even if he has to move to 1B/DH eventually. I’d sure as heck take him over Dee Gordon. If he’s traded I’ll be more than a little bummed.
Vjg
It’s not about who he is now. You’re taking on a 35 year old who has 120mm left on his salary.
You’re getting nothing but regression.
SDHotDawg
Is he a good player without being juiced? Sorry, but in my world ethics and integrity mean something.
walls17
Dipoto should be fired after this. I don’t think he quite gets the point. Trading away your best asset just to dump a contract. Stupid.
dimitrios in la
Not stupid at all. Money gets you things. And “best” is relative.
taylorcm
Ask Braves Fans how they felt about the return for Craig Kimbrel after attaching BJ Upton to him. 2 players who had no real value, 2 prospects that became nothing, and a draft pick. The draft pick is all that is left from that trade 3 years later. Tough to sell that to a rebuilding fan base.
hoof hearted
Exactly!
Slim chance a pkg of prospects produce a major front line player; pitcher or position player.
So why trade Diaz? Makes no sense
jerrytek
Two counterpoints.
First, I don’t think the Upton/Kimbrel trade is a good analogy, since Upton was TERRIBLE and signed long term. Cano is actually a good player.
Second, while that specific trade didn’t work out well, aren’t the Braves a good model for a successful rebuild? I would argue that the Braves overall process worked very well.
fw-
That 41st draft pick they got landed Austin Riley.
NateB11
Not to mention the $ that was freed up from unloading Upton allowed the Braves to do things like the Arroyo/Touki trade. Fans fail to realize the compounding effect trades have on one another.
ayrbhoy
I’m with Walls17- Diaz is a known commodity, he could be deployed in the Hader role, or continue to be a top closer for years. He has a unique build that’s hard to find- super long (Michael Phelps style) arms that cracks that ball in w effortless velocity. Nah, you don’t trade Diaz or Haniger. Stupid bloody organization
stansfield123
What Seattle need is the one thing money doesn’t get you: high ceiling prospects.
khopper10
Exactly!
jerrytek
Maybe wait to hear the details of the deal before calling for the GM to be terminated.
RunDMC
Closers are the most replaceable position in sports behind kickers. Sure, Diaz is elite and controllable and he won’t be utilized on a non-contending team. It really depends on how much NYM is taking on because Diaz could get 70M-80M in the open market right now (if he were a FA).
billneftleberg
What’s stupid is ownership using Diaz to pay down Cano’s contract instead of just using money. I get trying to become financially flexible but giving up Diaz at his highest value just to dump Cano is silly.
What’s ironic especially if Vargas is involved is that these two teams did this once before when the Mets traded for Seattle’s JJ Putz (then a great reliever with Seattle) he didn’t work too well with the Mets.
bradthebluefish
It’s a bullpen arm. When knows when Diaz comes down to earth or tears his ACL or what not. Trade Diaz with Camp and then sign Andrew Miller. Boom. All is well.
hojostache
Agreed. I’d much rather have Haniger and sign a FA arm like Robertson. Miller is going to be overpaid for his prior success.
lammyj34
This is like the one time in Dipitos GM career that he hasn’t spent big in the offseason and now everyone wants him to be fired. “Boooo we haven’t inked Harper or Machado yet, boooo Fire him!!!”
DG32
NL East is gonna be really interesting
SirCheeto1
Mets still gonna finish in 4th place.
dimitrios in la
At least for now.
walls17
If this is the only significant move the Mets make them not really
path501@yahoo.com 2
You gotta be winning games in order to close them.
DG32
Haha, never said they’d be good, just interesting
stansfield123
That’s a cheap shot, at best. Every team wins enough games to keep their closer busy.
When you’re going into a season without a closer, what you’re telling your fans is “don’t bother showing up, because we don’t care about the quality of the team we’re fielding”.
realgone2
Interesting
acarneglia
Getting Diaz would be huge for the Mets bullpen, If Cano can stay on the field and give the Mets anything its a good deal.
bronxbombers99
Depending on what the Mets would give up in this, might be a good 1st trade by Van Wagenen. Diaz is a steal in this.
throwinched10
Can Dipoto trade himself in this deal??
frankf
Mets gon’ Met.
OCTraveler
Could this involve one of the Mets’ first line starting pitchers or are we talking role player and prospects in return?
dray16
role players and/or prospects I’d think.
iverbure
You’re drastically overvaluing cano if you think any deal involving him brings back a frontline starter. Regardless of how Cano plays teams look at his contract as a negative. Adding Diaz just means the mariners won’t have to eat as much salary.
shmeag
Really hope Alonso or Gimenez aren’t in the deal those kids are gonna be special
hojostache
The mets had some of the worst production int he majors from 1B last year. They need Alonso to step in and be productive. I wouldn’t move Gimenez, Alonso, or Dunn in this deal because SEA is caught over a barrel. Cano has a full NTC and the rumor is he will only waive his NTC for NYC. If we go back to Stanton only being open to the Yankees….it took away all leverage for the Marlins and they got scraps back for supreme talent AND a discount on his contract.
martevious
I would love to see Cano’s salary get dumped somewhere but giving up Diaz to do it is too high a cost, in my opinion. He’s the best closer in baseball. He had a monster year last year.
That said, the life of a closer is pretty precarious….relievers are a mercurial lot. They can great one year, and stink the next, and dominate the next!
mr206
This is probably the dumbest trade I have seen even cano and his huge Salary is better with the M’s then just trading him with Diaz you should be trading Kyle Seager and dealing diaz alone to get more value out of the beat closer in baseball smh I’m extremely booty hurt
rdsfan05
Diaz is good but let’s not go as far as the best closer in baseball Chapman and Kimbrel are still in baseball and they had a bad year for their standards and they still had a sub 2 era
MetsYankeesRedSox
Thumbs up!
khopper10
Kimbrel 2.74 and Chapman 2.45. I knew this was wrong but wanted to get the actual numbers, and it only took 15 seconds, which is also how long it would’ve taken you.
lammyj34
Lol
geejohnny
Looks like a win…win…win..the Mariners dump Canos contract….Cano goes where he wants and the Mets get some much needed thump. Diaz is a high price to pay so I’m wondering what the return will be.
bigdaddyhacks
As long as no haniger I’m ok with it.
hojostache
Haniger is the far safer ask for the Mets, but if I were SEA I’d be very wary of moving him. If SEA thinks that Diaz will continue to be elite (all stats point to yes), then they could consider holding onto him and hope the price gets driven up heading into the 2019 deadline. I’d actually prefer that, as Haniger would be the next most likely piece that moves the needle to move Cano.
michael102160
Really hope that Bruce’s contract can get dumped if this deal occurs.
Yanks2
The Mets ownership won’t trade away DeGrom or Syndergaard to rebuild but they’ll trade for Cano
dray16
probably because they don’t want to rebuild……
Begamin
no one wants to rebuild. doesnt mean that they shouldnt rebuild
bobtillman
It looks like Dan O’Dowd, ex GM of Rockies and current mlbtv guy, had this pegged two days ago…….and they laughed at him (Jon Heyman especially)…….
Badfinger
I always get the sense that Heyman and O’Dowd don’t like each other.
dray16
Heyman is a pompous jerk, listening to him is like nails on a chalkboard.
juicemane
douches go for blood
jerrytek
O’Dowd and his buddies were saying Cano and Diaz/Haniger for Bruce, which would be a terrible, unjustifiable trade for the M’s.
Thus, they are still idiots.
HFNY
Depends on what the Mariners get back. If they get prospects, then yes. If this is just a salary dump, no way.
yukongold
Get it done, Cash!
draushaus
The PED situation tops the scales for me. If I’m DiPoto, I’d want him out. I have very little tolerance for that behavior.
kpotter21
Cruz, Gordon.
dray16
lol
iverbure
Another ignorant post about PEDs.
stansfield123
Probably why you don’t own a sports team. If you wanna be a good businessman, you can’t go around moralizing. You have to be willing to deal with people with different moral values than yours.
hojostache
From a morality standpoint I don’t really care about the PED bust, but from a business and financial standpoint it is worrisome because stirke 2 will lose him for a year. He will be tested more frequently and it would bring unneeded bad press, which the Wilpons hate.
bobtillman
Mariners would have to take Bruce back to level off the money, per O’Dowd….at least lessen it some…..
kpotter21
I think dipoto would rather pay it down in cash than take Bruce. Hopefully.
ayrbhoy
Negative 0.6 WAR- god I hope not
hojostache
Bruce is replacement level. He can hold his own in RF and he is a 30HR and 90-100RBI guy. Last year was rough for him, no doubt…but he was nicked up. He’s not a complete lost cause like Chris Davis, but he is probably worth $10m less than his current contract. My biggest issue with Bruce is that he is blocking Alonso, who could actually be an impact bat if he can produce around his AAA numbers.
thecrown24
If Alonso, Giminez, or Kelenic are in this deal I’m going to be sick to my stomach. Diaz is a stud but this is where the Wilpigs won’t spend money. I’d rather Keep anyone of those prospects and then go out and sign Miller Or Kimbrel instead of taking on Canos contract even if it’s like 50/60 million for five years and you get Diaz. I would not do that deal if it means getting rid of any of the young stud prospects.
rdsfan05
Gimenez is more trade able then the other two due to Rosario already being at short but as long as they don’t trade Alonso or kelenic it’s a win
thecrown24
Agreed but being a Mets fan and watching Rosario guy has not been as advertised since being the best SS prospect in the game before getting called up. Granted he finished the second half of the season on a somewhat strong note. The potential is still there with him being so young but I’m just not sold yet that he’s going to be that “perennial all star player” Even if he does blossom Giminez is more then capable of Playing Second Base.
hojostache
My issue with moving Gimenez is that he is already a toosly slick fielding SS, but in the past year he has shown a better bat, which really could bump up his value if he can develop into an effective hitter at a premium position. Rosario is blocking him, but talent is talent.
CharlieH
Unfortunately, I see Carlos Baerga, part deux from the Mets’ side.
anthonym
The only saving grace is that Cano is not a Cleveland 2B – like Baerga and Alomar were.
ASapsFables
Edwin Diaz would be a great get for the Cubs but not add the added cost of Robinson Cano. Similar to the Cubs, the Mets need a closer and more offense but they don’t have as many financial barriers in taking on Cano’s remaining contract. I’m guessing that if this deal gets done then trading Jacob deGrom and/or Noah Syndergaard becomes less likely.
hojostache
There are no current talks about extending Wheeler, which is worrisome and may make the Mets gun shy to move Syn because that would go against their claim that they want to be competitive now and not go into a rebuild.
Rathipon
Makes sense for the Mariners. They aren’t going to compete for 2 or 3 years. By then Cano will be an expensive albatross. Diaz is at the absolute height of his potential trade value right now. Every year he sits on a losing Mariners team his excess value dwindles down. In 3 years, when they plan to compete, they will have plenty of payroll flexibility to sign an elite closer and then some.
Brixton
So if hes at his absolutely max value, why would they package him with a bad contract and dilute his trade return?
Cano is still a great player who is just expensive. No need to ‘dump him.’ Unless they are completely cutting payroll, which in that case, they could probably package non-elite assets with him to do so.
Rathipon
Because they are underwater on the bad contract roughly the same amount as they have excess value in Diaz. If the next 6 years of Cano are worth $50 million, then they have $70 million in negative equity. The next 4 years of Diaz on the open market are worth roughly the same or maybe a little less in fact. So it roughly balances out the burden they are taking with Cano.
Brixton
or you can maximize your prospect return by putting them in separate deals, since prospects are far more valuable than money in baseball.
Rathipon
“prospects are far more valuable than money”. Pretty much the most meaningless statement I’ve seen here. So are you saying the blue jays wouldn’t hand over Vlad Jr. for a billion dollars? They would put a pretty bow on him and wouldn’t think twice about it.
In other words, of course prospects are worth money.
ayrbhoy
Cano has given us 20.7 fWAR over the first 5 years of his contract valued at $163.7 million. That’s $43.7m over his 120 paid. He’s not as bad as a lot of ppl make him out to be. I understand getting rid of Cano’s contract but with Diaz? That hurts haha!
Brixton
well a billion dollars vs 120M is very different.
I dont really think the Jays would give up Vlad JR for 120M lol…
billneftleberg
ayrbhoy you being dishonest. What Cano did in the first five years has absolutely nothing to do with what he’ll do in the next five. So why even bring it up? If the Mariners thought that they wouldnt be trading him. And you know it.
stansfield123
The balance is more like $60M for Cano’s value, and $60M for Diaz’.
So the Mariners have three options:
1. they spend that $60M value Diaz is worth on prospects
2. they cash in on it, and spend the money on something else
3. don’t spend it, they take the money out of the business completely
I think taking money out of a rapidly growing business (which baseball is) is stupid. And the best thing they could spend it on is prospects. If anything, they should spend some of Cano’s $60M value on a prospect too…in other words, eat $90M of his salary, and ask for a prospect valued at $30M in return.
ayrbhoy
Mariners are trying to shed his salary due to the abundance of talented teams in the AL. Nevermind our AL W. We desperately need SP and prospect depth- we can’t get those w/o chipping away at our payroll. What we’re debating here is completely subjective- you and I both know we have absolutely no idea how he’ll fare over the next 5 yrs. Great players gradually decline- that’s prob what he’ll do. But, again- no one knows
hojostache
Again…the bigger issue is that Cano has a full NTC and as of today, NYC is the only place he’d consider waiving his NTC. If the Mets want Diaz or Haniger….I highly doubt they’d take lesser prospects. They have been pushing the narrative that tehy want to compete this year, but that doesn’t happen with taking a bunch of non-elite prospects.
Ben 20
Mariners need a solid player in return and to continue with an legit vision.
Rathipon
For the Mets, it’s too little too late. They should have been spending when their window first opened. Now they’re just delaying the inevitable and making the upcoming rebuild more difficult because of less payroll flexibility.
gotothevideotape
Ok, a poll for the day:
Who is faster going to first?
Machado or Cano??
dray16
Cano, he hits from the left side.
gotothevideotape
good point Dray
chino31
Bartolo if you dangle a ribeye in front of him
MetsYankeesRedSox
lol
with Panda right behind him.
gotothevideotape
zlol
gotothevideotape
lol edit
Begamin
Panda will be too busy picking up his broken belt
gotothevideotape
haha, lmao
ryanf1
Both are faster than Pujols
gotothevideotape
omg, sweet@
gotothevideotape
omg, sweet. oops
stansfield123
Cano is one of the few players in history to double on a bunt. So he can hustle if there’s something in it for him. He just doesn’t do it for eyewash.
baseballhobo
I wouldn’t get too excited about Diaz. He’s only had one great season. The closer is the most volatile position on a team.
dray16
Diaz is a stud, i wouldn’t be worried about him at all.
Brixton
eh, dude was hardly ‘great’ in 2017
dray16
he’s 24
Brixton
and fits the TJ profile pretty well
ayrbhoy
Dude was converted to RP in AA and in a matter of 2-3 WEEKS! skipped AAA came up to the bigs. Then, in a couple weeks moved from 8th inn role to a MLB Closer. That’s special! He’s young, 24 for crying out loud. Besides, his statistics from 2017 and even this yr don’t do him justice- he had a couple of games where he gave up 2,3 Runs in blown saves that ballooned his 2017 ERA (to 3.27)and WHIP (1.15).
billneftleberg
You’re a joke. Remember JJ Putz. He did the same thing and the Mets fell for it then too. To their regret. Relievers are notoriously volitile.
ayrbhoy
Oh so we’re doing insults now? Nice! Btw- JJ Putz was 31 yrs old coming off a season w a 3.88 ERA, he converted 15 of 23 Saves yr before the trade! Hardly the same
billneftleberg
Yes he had 15 saves but he only play half the season,he had 36 and 40 the two prior years before his finger injury (which wouldn’t let him use his best pitch the splitter) he won the award as best relief pitcher and the Mets were suckers for trading a boatload for him (6 players including top prospects Mike Carp and a young Jason Vargas) the point being that just like Diaz, Putz was sold as an elite young closer. And he ended up being much less. Relief pitchers are a crapshoot unless you’re a Rivera or Kimberly or chapman
ayrbhoy
“Edwin Diaz reminds me of JJ Putz” said no-one ever!! And after looking at the numbers from his first 3 yrs in MLB who’s Diaz been compared to the most? Kimbrel
baseballhobo
So a ballplayer only has to be great one season to be a stud?
dray16
nope, doesn’t even need that much time
baseballhobo
You’re right. Luke Voit was great for two months and now he’s the next Lou Gehrig.
dray16
Luke Voit?!?!? WTF are you talking about?
baseballhobo
Why do I waste my time replying to comments on this site?
dray16
great question, no one said Voit a stud, take your nonsense elsewhere and stop trying to put words in my mouth. Diaz being a stud has nothing to do with Voit having a nice 2 months.
baseballhobo
I was not putting words in your mouth, pal. Relax.
vtadave
Soto, Buehler, and Acura are studs.
mrnatewalter
Acura?
I’m more of a Lexus guy.
ayrbhoy
Marge- his 2016 (1/2) season was also good, 2017 was NOT a bad season it was good but not great, he was 23 and still adjusting to hitters adjustments. Sorry dude, but I’ve watched nearly every game Diaz has closed, it’s not how many Saves he’s had or stats accumulated it’s how he’s dominated MLB hitters. This kid’s special- 6’ 3” tall long ‘swimmers arms’ that whip the ball in effortlessly- he’s going to be really good for a while.
baseballhobo
I have nothing against Diaz. I hope he has a Hall of Fame career. But one great season doesn’t make him a stud. Kimbrel is a stud because he has been great for nearly a decade. Mariano Rivera was great for 15 years. People have different opinions about which players are studs and which ones aren’t.
ASapsFables
Rivera was always a stud. Diaz is currently a stud and a young one at that. Kimbrell was a stud but looking more like a shim lately.
steelerbravenation
Rivera wasn’t a stud when he couldn’t get out of the 3rd inning as a failed starter
steelerbravenation
Yankees found Mo by accident nobody anticipated him being great. He wasn’t some top prospect. 96 they moved him into the bullpen cause he couldn’t get thru a lineup. Then by the end of the year he was setting up Wettland. He kept things fresh when later when he started to lose it he developed a cutter. Probably the best cutter ever and it added years to his dominance. That’s what separated him from other relievers. Once he lost a couple mph he developed another pitch.
NYIrishman@FL
It is very interesting to see who is going back to Seattle. Not sure what prospects the Mets have to send while possibly including Bruce on this deal. I do agree closers now a days are a dime a dozen just look at what past closers are now set up guys. The closer role is such a swinging door that Diaz might be flipped by that July trading deadline for prospects.
jolink65
I can’t imagine Seattle would give up Diaz just to shed a part of Cano’s contract. If they were dropping the whole contract then maybe, but not a part of it. There would have to be something pretty significant coming back from the Mets in terms of young players. Otherwise it would make no sense from Seattle’s point of view. Diaz alone would command a major return from a contending team looking for a dominant closer, probably along the lines of what Philly got for Ken Giles.
ayrbhoy
Send Colome- he had 2.53 ERA in 47 appearances w the Ms and has prior closing experience
jolink65
That I could see. Colome has been a solid closer, but he has the propensity to blow up from time to time. Diaz meanwhile is young, controllable and cheap, so I really don’t understand why Seattle would want to trade him even to dump Cano’s deal. If they’re aiming to build for two years from now, wouldn’t Diaz still be young and cheap then?
ayrbhoy
Every closer blows a few saves each season, Treinen, Jansen, Diaz, Kimbrel, the lot! But I see your point- he walked the tightrope many times in between long stretches where he was dominant. Colomé unfortunately went to CWS but brought us back a decent young Catcher and I doubt if sent to the Mets he’d bring back Kelenic
retsubllab
Hey, with only 17 years left on the Bonilla commitment the Cano contract should slot in perfectly.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Lol Bonilla.
Average folk call that a mortgage.
bwick17
Conforto to Seattle? He is from Seattle I would love to see Cano for Conforto deal.
dray16
Mets are not dealing Conforto
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Let’s all post our best guesses on the structure of this deal: I have 2:
1) Jay Bruce and the 2 remaining years of David Wright’s deal for Cano and Diaz, or;
2) Cespedes and Todd Frazier for Cano and Diaz
Brixton
Wright retired, so his deal is voided.
M’s wont be trading Diaz without getting good young assets back
mrnatewalter
The Mets are trying to get rid of a big contract, not take two more back.
jolink65
So Seattle is supposed to take on all the Mets’ garbage contracts while eating part of Cano’s and giving up an elite closer? How does that make any sense for Seattle?
Jason C.
i thought the exact same thing, he must be in the twilight zone
MetsYankeesRedSox
No trade of any kind.
We’re talking about the Mets.
RunDMC
NYM’s 1st rd selections for 2016 (Dunn) and 2018 (Kelenic) – considering both are OF prospects, I wonder if SEA would return OF in the deal or eat A LOT of the contract.
anthonym
Dunn is a pitcher.
RunDMC
Ah, overlooked that. Thank you.
paulslc
Worst GM in the game. Makes Jack Z look like a genius in comparison.
swanhenge
BVW is getting off on the wrong foot if he thinks this will help the Mets. Good god!! You could get any number of bodies to be your closer. The only way this doesn’t turn into a sh** sandwich is if SEA pays down half of Canos contract.
This would be so #lolmets.
And also…whats w the conflicting reports. Passan is usually a fairly dependable source. Kinda strange to have water thrown on his scoop so quickly.
coldbeer
If they pay 2/3 of Cano contract it’ll still be a bad deal financially.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Only an owner who got scammed by Bernie Madoff would hire an agent for a new GM.
It still boggles the mind what has happened to this organization. World Series visits about every 15 years. Was always a fun place for games, even when they sucked 60s style.
coldbeer
This can’t be real. Trading a broken down, ultra-expensive 2nd baseman with a closer. A. Freaking. Closer…
…and actually getting something in return? In the form of actual prospects?!
How much money exactly is Nintendo eating on this? Or has Dipoto pulled off a heist??
Brixton
Cano is a really good, not-broken down player who is just old and expensive.
coldbeer
Allow me to clarify…over the hill.
marinest21 2
If the Mets think that he can play an adequate second base in the National League for the remainder of that contract,
I have a bridge to sell them.
Unless the NL replaces the pitchers spot in the lineup with the DH, this makes little sense for the Mets.
mikeyank55
Hey marine-on the surface you are right that this makes little sense for the Mets. However…
Welcome to the NY Mets drama show where deals are made by people who are so desperate to show their signature that they piss away any opportunity for suns and steady investment and development.
So when Cano breaks down (as all steroiders do) the press will be all over him. We will enjoy the “Robby Loaf” moves in the field which change based upon mood.
However the silent part of this deal is that Jay Z has thrown a million per year into Mets seats to try to push attendance up.
Were salivating in anticipation of the drama.
Another high followed by a crash for the Mets. Lol
thecrown24
I was waiting for “Senior Citizen MikeYanks55” Remark you literally are the biggest troll on this entire site. I hope the Yankees come in and save the Mets from this ridiculous trade scenario even Mikey Francesa thinks it makes more sense for the Yankees to bring back Cano given the Didi situation.
hojostache
…and one failed drug test away from a 1yr suspension. I still think he is a solid player and I think he will produce for at least 3 of the 5 remaining years. The Mets finally have some infield depth, so they can give him regular days off and not get pinched too badly.
mrnatewalter
Diaz would bring in significantly more than just Kelenic and Dunn if he were traded on his own (think what Boston gave up for Craig Kimbrel).
So taking on Cano’s contract (which the Mets can afford) actually helps the Mets lessen the blow.
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Dipoto has never pulled off a heist. No one said he’s getting back any prospects unless you consider Jay Bruce a prospect.
mrnatewalter
Multiple major reporters have suggested that talks are centered around names of guys like Kelenic & Dunn. So, yes, it likely will result in the Mariners getting prospects back.
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Then it also involves a massive paydown on Cano’s deal and taking back Jay Bruce and maybe even Frazier.
mrnatewalter
Says who?
jakec77
Clearly Mets see themselves as having a 2 year window of contention. Not sure I agree.
But, if you do think you can contend for the next couple of years, the deal makes sense. Cano is overpaid, but not dramatically so, in next two years. Add him and Diaz, presumably subtract Bruce. Add a catcher, get an 8th inning guy. Looks to be a decent team, probably not as good as the elite teams in baseball, but good enough to potentially contend and with Degrom and Syndergaard would stand a chance against anyone in a short series, particularly if they get Cespedes back and he resembles his old self.
Then two years from now, tear it all down.
Not the way I’d go, but I could see it.
MetsYankeesRedSox
I’d like to see Swihart go to the Mets.
jakec77
That would have made a lot of sense last summer if the could have gotten him then- they could have just installed him at catcher for 2 months and seen what they have.
But getting him now isn’t that helpful, the Mets are apparently trying to compete this season you can’t go into the year with that kind of question mark pencilled in at catcher.
He’d still be a good fit for a rebuilding team that can afford potentially atrocious play from the catcher position- but that also eliminates anyone that is developing young pitchers.
bernbabybern
Taking a shot at the math.
Let’s say Diaz is worth Chapman money, 17 mil per year. So he’s worth 68 mil over the next 4 years. Let’s say he gets 28 mil in his 3 years of arb. That leaves 40 mil of surplus value for Diaz. That would make Cano’s contract 5/80, or 16 per year. Do you want to pay that for Cano’s age 36-40 years?
Julio Franco's Birth Certificate
Exactly. M’s fans are a little deluded to think Cano’s contract has any value, just because he’s a fan favorite. That deal has Jason Heyward levels of negative value, if not more, which means you need to attach a great asset to move it.
BuddyBoy
Go to fangraphs and comeback with some realistic facts
ayrbhoy
Most M’s fans know we’ll have to contribute $$ to trade him. But no value? Cano generated around 2.6-3.0 WAR in 80g after coming back from his suspension. That is value. Besides in the first 5yrs of this contract he’s contributed 20.7 fWAR worth 167m, he’s still a really good hitter and although he’s lost some range there’s few 2B that are as graceful and slick as Robbie.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Sounds cheap enough to me.
Jason C.
peterson is 29…quite the youngster
Jeff Todd
Our auto-linker picked up a different player by the same name. It is now fixed.
Senioreditor
If I’m Seattle I do this immediately and move on from a very bad contract and reset. I understand the Mets position, adding Cano and Diaz catapults them up the standings.
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Correct. Seattle is a horribly constructed roster and needs to rebuild on a number of levels. They will never beat Houston as-is and probably can’t even hang with Oakland. The farm system is a mess. I understand the angst from their fans that this trade means 70 wins in 2019, but you cannot keep that Cano contract for the next half-decade. You just can’t.
Move on, And if I were Dipoto, I’d be dangling Segura to see if there are any takers and maybe even Haniger out there for a massive haul of prospects.
ayrbhoy
It’s not just 70 W in 2019- you do this trade, and believe me there’d be more to come, skin the team, there’s no guarantee you have a winning season for the next 4-5 years, none! This org. has a long long track record of failure to develop young talent. Outside of Diaz, Seager (debatable) and Felix there’s been zero can’t miss prospects in the last 2 decades.
ayrbhoy
I forgot about Paxton;) but even he didn’t reach his potential.
khopper10
Adam Jones was pretty good, just not for us.
ayrbhoy
So was David Ortiz, Jason Varitek, Ivan Calderon, Matt Thornton, Billy Swift, Shawn Estes, Asdrubal Cabrera, Mike Hampton, Tino Martinez, Shin Soo Choo, Omar Vizquel, Derek Lowe – all Mariner trades that got away!! Haha WOW!
fba0017
Different Mets management but still inept. This will cost them years from now.
stansfield123
Every time you sign someone, it’s probably gonna cost you years from now. That in itself is not an argument to not do it.
The Mets have a good rotation. Adding hitting and a closer makes sense, and $120M is not that big a cost for two players, when you’re in the biggest market in the world.
If anything, the losers in a deal like this would be the Mariners. They’d be prioritizing short term profits over building for the future. Small market owners will do that, because they can afford to alienate their fans and live off revenue sharing handouts, while fielding a competitive team maybe once a decade.
The Mariners are in way too good a market for that “business strategy” to make sense for them.
tonysdog01
Please tell me this is just the Mets trying to make their fans think that their doing something. How about a young team?
stansfield123
Trading a veteran with a no trade clause to the Mets is not expected to be a hurdle? Oh I bet it’s gonna be a hurdle. Cano can choose the team he goes to, and it’s not gonna be the Mets.
thorshair
Trading Kelenic would be a mistake
Mario93
Cano and Diaz to the Mets for prospects.. 5 years left for Cano, which is a lot for an aging player. If Seattle is able to give away Cano’s full contract they won the deal hands down, forget the prospects.
jvent
Trade Bruce,Dom Smith,Dunn,Flores and Swarzak to Seattle for Diaz,Cano and $50 mil
Than trade Matz,Rosario and Frazier to Milwaukee for Corey Ray,Braun and Davies.
Sign Keuchel,Miller and Wilson Ramos.
Lineup: Ray,Mcneil,Cano,Braun,Conforto,Alonso,Ramos and Gimenez
Rotation: deGrom,Syn,Keuchel,Wheeler and Davies
Closer: Diaz
BuddyBoy
Why would the Mariners go that deal? Get real
MarlinsFanBase
Why would the Brewers accept that deal too? Clearly he thinks that the other 29 team in MLB are in the business of making the Mets better, instead of making themselves better.
pinkerton
Dealin’ Dipoto
Baltsportsfan
If Cano is a salary dump I will trade you straight up him for Chris Davis, and Davis is owed about $30 mil less.
rascnyc
Mets flipping Cano to skanks!!!!!!
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LOL, Cano even has more value than Crash Davis. If Davis is still owed $85 million, then he has $100 million of negative value, due to him tying up a 25-man spot.
Oh man, just saying that, I feel so bad for O’s fans.
BuddyBoy
Dude. Cano is still a 3-5 WAR player and has rated as plus defensively as well. Get into reality. The only reason his value is down is that he is going to be 41 when the deal is done
hojostache
Davis likely has one of the top 3 worst contracts in all of baseball. It is literally the definition of an albatross contract. Good ‘ol Orioles bid against themselves on that one.
davidn1818
That’s a real waste of talent and money. They just need to burn it down and start over and forget these plug the holes trades.
Braveslifer
I asked if that was the intent with the FO hires this week and people lamblasted me for even mentioning it. This deal will not make Mets fans happy IMO.
iplay_in_traffic
This has Omar Minaya written all over it
SupremeZeus
Flags fly forever Mets fans (snicker). Father time is undefeated, even steroid-addled likely HOFs succumb. This will be fascinating.
stansfield123
Why should they move Cano any way they can? Why is it better to package him with Diaz, than to just keep him, and when he stops being productive, just release him?
tylerall5
They’re still on the hook for his salary if he’s released. They want to free up payroll.
sportingdissent
Cano is still a good player. If Seattle kicks in offsetting salary, enough so the Mets responsibilities are closer to $10 million a season, it mitigates a lot of the negative perception surrounding him.
stansfield123
If Seattle was willing to kick in that much, they would’ve had a deal with Cashman days ago. They wouldn’t need to be packaging Diaz.
They’re not willing to pay for their mistake out of wallet. They’d rather sacrifice Diaz, and save the full $120M. And, honestly, teams should be all over that deal. That’s a good deal for a contender, given how good both Diaz and Cano are.
Cano is the no. 3 or 4 hitter on any team. And Diaz is the closer on almost any team (he would probably end up the closer on the Yankees, too).
sportingdissent
It must be nice to be in the room with Brian Cashman when he has these unreported conversations.
Bruin1012
If the Mariners kick in enough for Cano to be 10 million a year for five years then he is a valuable asset by himself and no reason to trade Diaz. I think if the Mariners pay him down to 15 million per year a team with the need would consider it. Cano can still play and probably will be a solid player for 2-3 more years before falling off. I’m not real sure why the Mariners would trade Diaz with Cano especially if they are willing to kick in 50 million or so to make his contract more viable.
sportingdissent
Well, you get a lot more with Diaz involved. And Cano at $50 million over 5 is still an overpay at his age. I doubt he’d get that in the market.
BuddyBoy
Cano would easily get $60M on the open market for three years. His last two likely worth $20M total. So you are talking $40M in relief whether in cash or taking on a guy like Bruce
sportingdissent
You think an older, slow, dwindling power, hit only right handed 2B coming off a drug suspension would get $60 million over 3 years?
Cano’s not a bad player. But he’s not necessarily a really good one. He’s good enough.
BuddyBoy
.460 Slg over past 3 years, 130 OPS+, 3+ WAR player is worth $24M-$27M per year. Reason for lower cost per year and term is due to age. Slow is not relevant as he’s not a speed guy. With that says his base running numbers are same as they’ve always been. His defense is still rated slightly plus and he doesn’t make errors.
ayrbhoy
SD- in 2013 Nelson Cruz got 4y at $57m to be a DH the season following an 80g suspension. He was 35y old in his 1st yr of that contract.
sportingdissent
Better yet, think of it this way. How much do you think DJ LeMahieu is going to get? He’s younger, better defensively, and equal in power potential and batting ability. Is he getting $60 million over 3?
No. He’s probably going to get $5-8 million on anywhere from 2-3 years. As a BETTER option.
Bruin1012
DJ has played in Colorado and still not anywhere near as good offensively as Cano. Cano will probably easily outhit DJ for the next two or three years and it won’t even be close. Cano was a well above average hitter last year when played and DJ was well below according to his WRC+ and that’s playing half his games in Colorado. Cano is the far superior player and it’s not even close.
Bruin1012
You also realize Cano hits from the left side not right side right?
BuddyBoy
Absurd
BuddyBoy
DJ is not even close to Cano
fs54
Sounds fun for everyone, except Mariners’ fans.
dray16
if Seattle gets McNeil it’s going to be a win for them if most of Cano’s salary is dumped.
ayrbhoy
Give us McNiel, Giminez, Alonso and Dunn and I’m maybe OK w it. Maybe! Actually, fugg that- just don’t trade Diaz Jerry.
BuddyBoy
I don’t want Alonso myself. My deal would be this.
Mets get Cano, Díaz, $25M + Bruce contract to Mariners
Mariners get Dunn, Kelenic, and McNeil
hojostache
lol. That has less than zero percent chance of happening. SEA doesn’t have any leverage. They are the ones pushing to move Cano and they will be restricted to where Cano is willing to go. I’m not saying it is fair to get $0.60 on the dollar, but that’s the reality currently.
hiflew
It’s almost always smart to trade relievers following a great season. Relievers are notoriously finicky and very rarely do you find one that is great for several years in a row. It COULD be a mistake, but just ask the Phillies if they regret trading Ken Giles after his breakout season. Or ask the Cardinals if they wish they had cashed out on Trevor Rosenthal. Aside from the very top tier, closers are a dime a dozen.
Joe Kerr
A lot of people on here ripping 1 side or the other while not even knowing what the trade even is. Let it happen before you come to a conclusion, even then it may take years before you see you really made the better deal. Calling for people to be fired seems a bit ridiculous at this point.
metseventually 2
Trading McNeil would be a monster mistake here…
mlb1225
I can’t be the only one who thinks that trading Diaz with Cano just to get rid of Cano’s contract isn’t a too bright idea. Diaz alone could bring back a good package.
MarlinsFanBase
This is such a Mets move, and no surprise that it may happen while Omar Minaya is back over there in the Wilpons ear.
I’m surprised that nobody is thinking that the inclusion of Diaz may lead to the inclusion of Syndergaard if the Mets don’t want to pay the whole contract for Cano, especially since there have already been rumors of the Mets considering a trade of Syndergaard.
I wouldn’t be surprised if this deal went crazy to fall along the lines of the following (with Minaya in the Wilpons’ ears):
Mets get Cano, Diaz, and King Felix
M’s get Syndergaard, Vargas, Frazier and/or Bruce, and Lagares.
If this trade happens, it will go down in Mets and DiPoto fashion, which may make no sense to anyone else on the planet. Keep that in mind.
bigdaddyhacks
Deal
hojostache
King Felix has been trash for awhile now. He is a shell of his former self. As for the rest of that “deal”..uhm….I’m pretty sure any baseball video game would reject that deal bc it is so bad.
MarlinsFanBase
You’re not looking at the thing I pointed out in my post. This is a situation where Minaya is in the Wilpons’ ears and DiPoto is the guy on the M’s side. With these factors, there is a very good chance that, if something indeed is done, it will make no sense to anyone other than these two front offices.
hojostache
The “makes sense to no one but the bad GMs”…okay…that makes more sense. I still don’t think that would happen because the Mets have waaaaaay too many cooks in the kitchen, but one of them would see how bad the deal would be for them. If there was a bad GM with too much control and not enough oversight…basically Kevin Towers trading for Shelby Miller…a horrible trade could happen.
MarlinsFanBase
You may be right, but who in the Mets front office do you see having the capabilities to identify something is a bad decision for them?
There’s a concept that goes, you can have a bunch of people working together to accomplish something, but if they’re all idiots, it’s going to end in bad results.
Or
One genius can outsmart an arena filled with idiots.
RunDMC
Glad NYM is including McNeil in the deal – they don’t know what to do with someone with plate discipline.
Rich Hill’s Elbow
If I were the Mets I’d rather look at FA relievers than have the M’s add Diaz to the deal, I mean, yeah he’s good (really good), but the Mets can’t afford to put the future in jeopardy (Dunn, Gimenez, Kelenic) for an 1-2 inning guy, that’s just stupid. If the Mets wanna consistent winner they need stop overthinking this, just aquire Cano and move on to your other needs.
MarlinsFanBase
This is a good post. The only thing is that Cano’s contract complicates this, so that’s why the inclusion of Diaz and very likely many others from both ends. It’s not as easy as just acquiring him because the Mets, and any other team, are justified in wanting to either get a gold piece with Cano, or have the M’s pay a lot of his contract. The M’s most likely aren’t willing to pay much of the contract considering that they are willing to trade a young talented piece like Diaz, so that’s why the Mets and M’s are in complicated discussions.
I’m thinking it goes up to or into the Winter Meetings.
G Vanlue
Why not get Diaz AND a FA reliever? Getting Cano by himself wouldn’t make a lot of sense.
Shiva Kamini
Of those three prospects, maybe ONE becomes a regular, one a part-timer, and one washes out. Even more rare that one becomes a star or even as good as Cano/Diaz. No offense meant, just the way prospects work.
stansfield123
For those who think Cano never hustles, watch him play defense for a while. Or check out his bunt double on youtube.
He hustles when there’s a reason to hustle. He doesn’t when there isn’t.
ayrbhoy
Couldn’t agree more- he’s an intelligent player in his mid 30’s who picks and chooses the right time to go for broke
richiro
how you get ahead and stay competitive is that you always need to buy low / sell high (and hopefully have great scouts and development staff. The M’s got into this predicament of the longest streak of any major male professional sports WITHOUT a playoff game in North America – because they have NOT done this.
You need to consistently each year (not with the entire roster, but a few pieces each year, “buy low / sell high.” This is true in all of life – be it investing, buying a house, etc. To get ahead you just can’t follow the mainstream and do what everybody else does – you have to BUCK the trend and go the opposite way.
If everybody wants Asset A – you will absolutely overpay for it and lose out in the end.
If nobody wants Asset B – it is likely undervalued. Take a look at it and see if the undervalue is worth the purchase and may over-deliver for what you paid in the end.
If a roster is consisntely overpaid and under delivers- you turn out like the M’s.
If a roster is consistently underpaid and over delivers – you are in the conversation every year and can augment here and there to get there.
So this is how all this fits with why the M’s are doing this (and i absolutely agree with it and saw it as the only way the M’s can retool correctly in the long run):
1. Eddie Diaz is the ultimate “sell high” piece. He will NEVER EVER be able to duplicate what he just did. Therefore his value and what you can get for him will NEVER be better than now. This is why it is actually a smart idea to very CAREFULLY listen to offers and try to maximize what you get out of Eddie Diaz and having him (by dealing him at his highest ever value).
2. Robinson Cano. He is obviously on the downside of his career. But he is also a “sell high” candidate because his value from this day forward will only decrease. So the best value you he will ever have this point forward is NOW – he still hits well, can still field, had a better WAR than teammate all-star Segura for MIF’s. But his contract is a complete burden. THE ONLY way anybody takes on a a Cano contract is to provide an enticement such as Diaz along with it.
A great point is a lot of people said “adding Diaz diminishes his trade value back for the M’s”. Very terrific point. But here is the LARGER point: do not estimate the VALUE of unloading Cano’s contract and freeing up all that money for payroll flexibility to retool your roster.
Simply put. The M’s previous front office created too many long-term high-end contracts and overpaid too many people that their payroll is handcuffed like crazy for the next 1/2 decade! So the M’s will ONLY get worse and their situation UNLESS they can unload atleast 2 of these contracts (and ideally ALL of them). That is more valuable RIGHT NOW in the big picture then “what can i get for Diaz”?
As for the Mets side – sorry guys… we might be willing to pay down some of the contract or take a bad contract back – but we’re not going to pay all or most of Cano’s contract and take back a bunch of old/bad contracts back. Yo don’t trade a Diaz to do that. We include Diaz so YOU can pay it. And.. any contract we take back will have to be a shorter term contract that allows us to free up payroll to redo our roster. if what the Mets offer back doesn’t do that – we don’t do it and no Diaz for you.
I expect that the M’s will do this and trade some pieces NOBODY would trade (like a Haniger) to also perhaps get rid of other contracts (like a Leake, or help move a Segura along) and still get good value back in prospects..
Remember.. if you can’t turn the trade around and say “okay i’d take it if i were the other team too” then the other team won’t be interested.
Cano (for a decent +WAR in fielding and hitting) for 1-3 years and a historically performing, young, and controllable CL of our generation and taking on some contract….
for prospects who haven’t proven sustainable success YET and maybe a not so good contract or some cash to help pay off a portion of Cano’s contract (but not much)…
i think that’s a fair deal whomever is interested in playing ball with the M’s.
But the M’s are doing this to sell high / buy low and shed 5 yrs of horrible payroll so they can redo their entire roster. Even if they don’t get full value for their best pieces. It’s worth it at this point to start over for us.
Free Clay Zavada
TL;DR – Trade for good players. Mariners suck.
nymetsking
I hope that’s just the first half of your post, otherwise it’s a bit short.
ayrbhoy
Edwin Diaz, Mitch Haniger and Marco Gonzales are in your words “under-paid but over-deliver” so why attach them to Cano’s contract? Attach Colomé, Pazos, Segura maybe Altavilla and Shawn Armstrong (0.6 WAR in 1 mo) but not Diaz. There’s no guarantee the prospects you receive will ever be better than Diaz and Haniger, none!
Jockstrapper
Old, beat up Cano, Bruce, Frazier and Cepedes! The crap defense! Crap base running! Please make this trade!
MarlinsFanBase
Bruce is most likely going to be in this trade. The Mets have too many OFs (Cespedes, Conforto, Nimmo, Bruce).
BuddyBoy
Cano is still rated + defensively by the metrics and eye test
khopper10
You and I have been writing this all over this site for days and most people are either oblivious or willfully ignoring reality.
hoof hearted
i agree with you:)
jvent
Forget Cano and Diaz keep our young guys. sign Schoop,Keuchel and Kimbrel. $$ saved from Wright and Cespedes not playing and saved $$ in free agents not resigned in aj Ramos,Blevins,Familia,Reyes.
Trade Bruce to Giants for Melancon
Trade Matz and Nimmo to Milwaukee for Corey Ray and Braun (gives the Mets speed and a RH bat)
Sign Wilson Ramos.
Rotation: deGrom,Syn,Keuchel,Wheeler and Vargas
Lineup: Ray,Mcneil,Schoop,Conforto,Braun,Alonso,Ramos and Rosario
bigdaddyhacks
Is this on mlb the show with force trades allowed?
adshadbolt
Nimmo was the Mets bestvoffensive player last year and u want to trade him for 36 year old Ryan Braun, where do I start
tigerbreak
You think the Wilpons will spend money?
That’s cute.
#letthefleecingbegin
Ben 20
What breaks the internet in half first:
A. Cano\Diaz trade
B. Avengers 4 trailer released
RaeRae
The Mets do not need Cano. They already have a decent fielding, and a good hitting 2B man named Jeff McNeil. What they need is free agent righty reliever Adam Ottavino who is from NY along with lefty starting pitcher Patrick Corbin who is also from NY, The Mets need another really good starter if they are seriously considering trading Syndergaard, and Corbin is the only free agent I could see who would be able to come near to matching Syndergaard’s stuff. The Mets need a right handed outfield bat who can play CF, and hit above 260 so they only guy on the free agent market that comes with no draft pick attachment is Adam Jones. I’d sign Jones who is a real professional player, and won’t cost the Mets a draft pick like signing AJ Pollock would do. Sign Moustakas, and turn around and trade both Frazier and Bruce to whomever wants them. Let Moose play full time 3B as he will also come without a draft pick attached to him, He will still jack you 40 HR’s, and bat about 250 plus he is a decent defender but will never win a gold glove. If the Mets are dead set against Moustakas then re-sign switch hitter Asdrubal Cabrera to play 3B, and Jones as the righty CF bat could work in the NY Mets everyday lineups. Asdrubal Cabrera plays statistically sound defense at 3B plus he has always hit above 270 while employed by the Mets. Cabrera or Moose for 3B should play well for the Mets as would Jones as the righty bat in CF with both Lagares and Nimmo to relieve him when he needs a day off.
Begamin
hahahah leave it to the mets to obtain Cano
RiseAgainst3598
McNeil, Kelenic, Lagares and B level prospect for Cano and Diaz. I’m just not sure if the mets are willing to give that up. Mariners take 50 percent of contract.
Yew Sukk
Serviceable closers can be found internally or acquired pretty easily. Obviously, not Diaz level but good enough. Being able to unload Cano’s huge contract and also get some quality prospects seems like a good deal for a team that is clearly in rebuild mode.
Danny B.
Where are all them haters who were doubting me that the Metsbcould get Diaz in a Cano trade. I know my stuff.
ck420
I’ve given up on the Mariners. After Bavasi, Jack Z and now Dipoto I just don’t have faith in the upper management anymore to get it right.
giveemthecurve
Let’s see where Dipoto goes from here before you take that leap
Soldierofgod619
Why do other teams go for expensive veteran contracts baffles me. Cano is a good player and was great when he signed but big money long term contracts never really work out even if teams pay for past production makes no sense. Mariners should trade Diaz individually and get a great return and keep improving their farm.
bighiggy
Cards should be in on this. I’d take Cano and diaz for salary relief. Cano may not be great 3 years from now but right now hes still good. I’d trade you wong, kelly,sosa and fowler for Cano and diaz. Be like paying 58 mil for cano and diaz. Fowler’s owed 46 I think and wong 16.
hojostache
There has been zero indication that Cano would waive his NTC to move to STL.
bighiggy
If they want him gone, he may waiver on waiving his ntc. Wonder what he would say if they asked him
bravesfan
I don’t fully understand what the Mets are doing here. I would like the braves to get Diaz but I know they won’t go after Cano. The Mets can defiantly use these players but at what cost? R they going for it or getting ready to rebuild because their performance suggest they should rebuild but their actions suggest that they aren’t. Although they r shopping NS
ABP
I’d love for the M’s to pair up with the Braves too. Makes too much sense. Your farm is stacked and matches up nicely with what we need. Plus, we have exactly what you’re looking for; All Star Corner OF Bat in Haniger, All Star Shortstop in Segura, All Star closer in Diaz. Even Colome would be a fit for you – and cheaper.
Hate this packaging idea with Cano. Completely destroys the value we **would** otherwise get in return for the above said players.
hojostache
Given the Mets history…I’m not sure the Mets know what the Mets are doing here. I refuse to give them any credit until they can demonstrate some good decisions and that their “act like a small market team” has been a complete failure.
MHanny17
Why does no one remember the fact that Cabo just produced 2.9 fWAR in half a season. That’s a 5-6 WAR player. I know he’s old but he’s still a star and his contract isn’t as much of an albatross as everyone seems to think.
MHanny17
*Cano
YourDaddy
Because he produced roughly the same WAR in a full season the previous season and can no longer effectively play the field. He is a 1B maybe, but more likely a DH. A very, very expensive DH that is 35. Do you know what 35 year old players do? They decline. “Cabo” is under contract through his age 40 season so whoever is stupid enough to trade for him gets a guy whose performance is guaranteed to sink every year for the next 5. PLEASE Mets, do it.
bjhaas1977
Stop! This is all ludicrous. It’s completely out of control.
MetsYankeesRedSox
youtu.be/5vRpTC6L-28
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
So Edwin Diaz will go from 50+ saves to maybe 20-30 saves. Terrible novel by Seattle. Mets are terrible and will be for a long time.
Horace
Diaz would be incredibly valuable in another trade. The Mets could turn around and flip him or they could see how the team performs in 2019 and if they aren’t contending, could flip the best young lefty closer in the game with 3 1/2 years control.
As a fan, I want no part of Cano for my team, but he still could be valuable and, more importantly, taking a big piece of his contract to get a guy like Diaz is what a major market team trying to rebuild should do.
24TheKid
How can the Mets trade Hader without him being on their team?
YourDaddy
Come on Mets, pull the trigger. 35 year old guy with $120 million owed is exactly what you need. That would kill your franchise for the foreseeable future. So DO IT!
joeyuno
Only the Mets would do any deal for Cano. What would their garbage club do with Diaz anyway? How do they get him the ball? Hope every guy in the rotation can pitch 8 innings I guess. New GM, same old Mets. As a Yankee fan I love the dysfunction from the crosstown clowns.
ABP
Disclosure: M’s fan
Cano is getting slammed on here. I get it, 36 and a ridiculous contact. But the people hating on him are going to be over the F’n moon when he plugs into the Mets lineup as a middle of the order bat, hit’s .290 with 28 homers and plays avg or better defense. You’d probably get that for the next 3 years. The last 2…….who knows. But Nelson Cruz is 38/39 and he’s beating the hell out of the ball like he’s 29. Cano, I feel, will be the exact same. Sure, M’s would have to own half that contract but Cano is not a “throw away” player. He’ll probably put up 5+ war next season as a 2nd baseman. All that said; I don’t like the Mets deal being bantered about. I want a fire sale but NOT with pairing our most valuable chips with a sunk/crap contract. The M’s are NOT in a financial position where they ‘have to’ dump him for money. They just ‘want to.’ That’s a big difference and if Jerry sends off Diaz for 50% because he got rid of Cano then fire him pronto.
dray16
I love Cano, I wouldn’t mind him playing for the cubs, impossible contract for them to take on though. You guys want Heyward and Russell??? Lol
eelektrik
Funny you bring up Nelson Cruz, he has something in common with Cano in having served a PED suspension.
Kraz Nadler
Wheeler, Noah, Jacob, McNeil, Lugo, and Ahmed for Cano.. Sounds like a Wilpon move
Beavis
Why can’t the Mariners restructure Cano’s contract? Why aren’t there more “diminished skills clauses” in pro sports?
Players get a big contract then get complacent and don’t play hard.
hojostache
The players’ union is strong, which is one reason why they have guaranteed contracts. It’s also why they frown upon players taking a discount bc it could hurt other players down the road.
24TheKid
Cano is just as good now as he was when he signed. The problem was giving him 10 years.
tonysdog01
This could be.a typical Mets scam on their fans. They get a little ahead of the market and do a deal that costs them Jay Bruce money (13 million) and then act like they’ve done their job. Cano would be around 14 mil if Seattle kicked in 10 a year. “Gee we’ve done our deal why would we need to consider a real free agent.”
Who freaking wants a 36 year old second baseman who got suspended for PEDs last year. Just go spend some money. Get Harper and quit acting like the Miami Marlins.
iverbure
And get Trout too. What the heck sign Machado too!
billysbballz
If Segura is involved I fear the Yanks are back in the picture.
Maybe it’s not a bad thing because I happen to trust my GM and I know he will unload Elsbury and may try to get Cano to some how rework those last 3 years? If not there is no scenario where taking Cano back at 36yo will not be an albatross those last 3 years.
billysbballz
Book it:
Cashman is involved and the Yanks are going to swoop in here and trade for Cano, Diaz, and Segura for Elsbury and a few 10-20 prospects. I think the hold up will be that Yanks either want Seattle to kick in money the last 3 years of Cano contract or Cano reworking his contract and making more this year and next and less down stretch.
24TheKid
Lol the Yankees don’t have nearly enough prospects to make that happen.
billysbballz
Prospects???? Seattle is giving up a ton of bad money so they won’t get one prime prospect back unless they are eating a ton of money!
Prospects he said!!!!
Bruin1012
Sorry Billy but taking Ells is a bad contract just shorter and a much less effective player. Diaz is incredibly valuable and Segura has excess value too. Not going to happen for a few 10-20’s no chance.
Boogaloo
Lol, the yankees dont have the prospects? Are you a bitter mets fan or just don’t follow baseball?
realgone2
What would happen to Didi? and does cano play 1B?
billysbballz
Yes Cano plays 2nd, 1st, DH!
BamaBraves
Braves and Yankees make the most sense. Braves trade for Cano, Diaz, and Segura.
ATL keeps Diaz gets 2. top 20 prospects from Yanks for their facilitation
Seattle gets Julio (stop-gap starter) and 3. 20-50 prospects from ATL
Yankees get Cano and Segura plus 12M/Year from ATL
billysbballz
Ohhh we we get Cano and you get Diaz?
Lmao
Segura is a temporary fix!
Cmon Braves fans! You can’t get worse then the Teheran trade offers until this.
BamaBraves
Thats a win win win for all 3 teams. Julio gets a change of scenery in Seattle plus Seattle gets prospects. Yankees get a SS and a DH at half price. Braves get a closer. It’s an actual deal that makes sense.
baseball1600
It really doesn’t lol Braves fans are the new Yankee fans
RedRooster
Why would the Mets be giving up any of those guys in a trade that involves them getting the underwater contract of Robinson Cano?
billysbballz
I don’t get it either! I don’t believe it either.
alc47
It’s because the Mariners would be eating a good portion of the contract along with having Diaz in the deal.
RedRooster
Makes more sense for the Mets to keep their prospects and just pay more of Cano’s contract
alc47
I definitely agree but it’s the Mets pay more has never been said by the Wilpons lol
alc47
I speak for most Mets fans when I say losing McNeil would make us all disappointed, he’s quickly become a fan favorite and personally my favorite player on the Mets. I love the idea of acquiring two great talents in Cano and Diaz both of whom I believe are top 3 at their postions, it’s definitely the right step in contending this year a couple more bullpen arms, a catcher and a centerfielder and I could see us making a serious run this year if we stay healthy of course like every other year.
rmullig2
How about this?
Mets get Cano
M’s get Bruce, Vargas, Legares, Frazier
M’s still save over half the money on Cano’s contract and the players they get back can fit onto the team. Bruce takes a corner OF spot, Legares can platoon with Mallex Smith, Frazier takes over first, Vargas goes into the rotation. Some of these guys can probably be flipped later on saving more money for the M’s.
alc47
But why would the Mets make that trade ?
rmullig2
1. Cano is a better hitter than anybody on their current roster.
2. They rid themselves of redundancy and save money in the first year.
3. They don’t have to surrender any prospects to get a 3rd place hitter.
4. McNeill stays to take over third base and Alonso can take over first without being blocked.
Joe Orsulak
New GM. Same old Mets.
Danny B.
I am soo close to proving all them haters wrong. I love it!!! This just clarifies my knowledge on baseball. I had been saying for days that Edwin Diaz would have to come back to the Mets on Cano trade talks and almost EVERYONE who read that from me, blasted me, saying that the Mariners would never trade Diaz in a Cano trade to the Mets. I’m about to be proven right.
stan lee the manly
They don’t “have” to do anything, it says right in the article that they are talking about both a package involving Diaz and Cano and about both as individual trades. They could very well trade for just Cano if they wanted to.
restingmitchface
Even a broken clock gets it right twice a day.
restingmitchface
Also, you don’t even know what the hypothetical return would/will be…
If the Mets give up what it looks like they might give up, chances are good you’ll this move.?
restingmitchface
*chances are good you’ll dislike the move
billysbballz
That because many on here have no sense of the money aspect!
the kutch
I wouldn’t touch Cano with a 10 foot long version of Jose Canseco’s junk…
Joe Kerr
That is a terrible visual.
restingmitchface
Man, if Jeff McNeil became available I’d LOVE the Dodgers to pry him away from the Mets.
Say Hey Now Kid
Hypothetically who could the Mets get in return
restingmitchface
That’s a great question.
He appears to possess elite bat control with solid glove work and decent base running. On the flip side, he’s 26 and doesn’t have a wonderful track record.
But the knocks against him are also reasons why I can envision Friedman making a play. Maybe the Dodgers look at him and see another Chris Taylor or Max Muncy? Oh, and his lefty bat could be a great compliment to Kiké Hernandez at 2B.
dray16
No, I want McNeil in Chicago with the Cubs!
Say Hey Now Kid
Why do the Mets need Cano when they just brought back Dilson Herrera
Danny B.
Uneducated response.
Say Hey Now Kid
Sarcasm. I’ve never gotten over letting Murphy go because they thought Herrera was the 2B of the future
Double A
I swear the Mariners have the worst organization in the history of professional sports… only competition they have would be teams who no longer exist… This coming from a M’s fan…
Bringbacktheblue
Lol I’m a Padres fan, you don’t know how good you have it.
ayrbhoy
Ms fan here AA- and I agree with that sentiment. I want to know who is pulling Dipoto’s strings because it doesn’t matter the GM in place there’s always something holding the M’s back. Kelenic and Dunn might be exciting young prospects but there’s no guarantee they will be better than Haniger and Diaz. Personally I would’ve kept Diaz try package Segura+Pazos maybe Colomé w Cano
Ben 20
Heh, watch King turn in a Cy Young season in 019.
Gordon Lightfoot
This potential trade seems to be just more-of-the-same from both organizations, the Mets with no real plan while Seattle runs several plans at once. Confused franchises.
restingmitchface
Astute observation. I kinda wish I’d thought of it. lol
Danny B.
You’re 1000% wrong. The Mets clearly have a direction and that’s to win now. I’ve been reading that Cano, Diaz & Segura could all be heading to the Mets in this trade. The Mets would be instant contenders.
baseball1600
Not a Mets fan but the Mets will definitely be contending for at least a WC spot with Diaz and Cano. The knack is can the pitching stay healthy? Because DeGrom and Wheeler would absolutely need to be healthy for the Mets to have any chance at contending because their Depth after DeGrom-Syndegaard-Wheeler-Matz isn’t outstanding.
wright1970
Danny, Instant contenders?…Diaz cant pitch the 7th, 8th and 9th innings!! Mets need a lot more than an elite closer….we have an average offense and a top starter injury away from disaster and no relief pitching at all….
Gordon Lightfoot
100% wrong? Hardly. You’ve succinctly summarized the Mets ongoing problem, their desire to be “instant contenders” with a patchwork lineup. The Mets are not the best team in the NL East based on three factors – hitting, pitching, and defence. Where is their offense? Why acquire Diaz if you’re only going to win 78 games? Why pay Cano for years 36-40? Makes no sense. Mets should have undertaken a proper rebuild fuelled by youth, not a 36 year old veteran fresh off a steroid suspension. We’ll see how quickly Cano’s body breaks down. Bad move by the Mets.
24TheKid
If Jay Bruce comes into Seattle and hits around 20 homers by the deadline would they get any value back for him?
377194
Good ole Mets. One stupid transaction after another.
Danny B.
You’re clearly the stupid one.
LyricalAssassin
Oh Danny boy, put down the pipes, the pipes you are smoking
jdgoat
Giving up McNeill would be a mistake in my opinion. I wouldn’t be surprised if he provides around the same amount of value as Cano next year.
steelerbravenation
Ok but he isn’t closing any games
dray16
Mistake I agree, as valuable as Cano…doubtful
yanks02026
Diaz is a very good closer but it makes no sense to trade top prospects and then take on tons of Cano’s money just to get a closer.
Danny B.
Yes it does, especially when you’re getting rid of unwanted contracts while getting quality MLB players in return. Supposedly, Segura could be included in this deal. Imagine the Mets getting Cano, Diaz & Segura in one trade. That would be monumental.
steelerbravenation
How are Mets fans so down on this deal ? If they can get the M’s to eat Cano’s contract down to $14 million a year and they are able to get rid of Bruce’s for the next 2 yrs and get an elite closer that will be making peanuts over that same period of time ?
So what Cano will be 41 when the contract is up it wouldn’t cripple a NY franchise it’s the biggest market in the game. Dude can still play and he plays everyday. Now if the M’s are not eating at least that much then yeah it’s a horrible deal. Key to it is they should only give up 1 prospect (Dunn), a young player on the roster ( McNiel), d’Arnaud & Bruce.
muskie73
If Robinson Cano is playing under his current contract on his 41st birthday it’ll be deep into the 2023 postseason.
jh8913
Lmao classic Mets move. What a waste of a team
steelerbravenation
Now Seguera is involved now it’s getting to big it won’t happen
dirtbagbaseball427
This trade is looking like it’s going to happen and if Kelenic is in, win for the M’s. He was considered the best pure hitter in the draft last year. And the Mets wonder why their farm system is constantly middle of the pack to bad…
stansfield123
Veto it, Robbie. Just say no. That’s all you have to do, to come back to the Evil Empire and be in the playoffs again.
Come on dude, the Yankees want you, as long as it’s a good price. And you can get them a good price, by saying no to this desperate overpay by a losing team.
What other 36 year old who’s just been caught with PEDs has a chance to play in the post season for the rest of his career? This is your chance to matter again, buddy.
bravesfan
I just cant wrap my head around why they are so desperate to get rid of him. The guy can still play and the suspension has been served. Guys come back from that all the time. But don’t trade away one of you best young talents simply because you want to dump something so ridiculous. Cano is a heck of a ball player rather roids helped or not.
stansfield123
Judging from the reports, they’re not desperate to get rid of him. They said no to some pretty fair offers.
But they have to face the facts: Cano is owed $120M in his age 36-41 seasons. That’s not something you keep, when you’re about to rebuild, because even if he’s good now, he’s not gonna be good by the time you’re ready to compete again.
So they’re right in trying to move him. But they have to either eat a lot of his salary, or get a huge overpay on a package that includes both Cano and Diaz.
muskie73
Robinson Cano is owed $120 million in his age 36-40 seasons. If Cano is playing under his current contract on his 41st birthday it’ll be deep into the 2023 postseason.
mikeyank55
“That was such a great contract…for the team, for the city of Seattle and for our fans” commented the executives who made the dumb offer. Of course they are all collecting their unemployment contracts as well. What stupidity that will be matched by Mets’ owners as they are getting the A_S end of the deal.
Even at a reduced cost, Robby is a player in decent who is one season away from rapid decline.
Jay Z is weighing in on social media claiming to be recording a new song tonight, named “I TOLD YOU SO.”.
sampsonite168
Hope this new GM knows what he’s doing and isn’t just desperate to make a splash.
I have a feeling the reports are gonna go:
“Cano and Diaz for Bruce and Kelenic”
cool
10 minutes later: “McNeil is also going to Seattle”
not as cool
Another 10 minutes later: “Mets are paying all of Cano’s salary”
not cool at all.
steelerbravenation
If the Mets only have to pay Cano $14-16 million a year this is a win for the Mets. I am sorry yes they will be overpaying for Cano in the last 2-3 years but they will be underpaying Diaz in that same time frame.
steelerbravenation
If the Mets pay the whole contract it’s a horrible deal
mmarinersfan
Please have McNeil in it. I feel as if it’ll be Cano/Diaz for kelenic, Dunn, and then Bruce and Swarzak. But I really feel like McNeil should be in it. I also wouldn’t be surprised if we released Jay Bruce right away.
hiflew
This is DiPoto we are talking about. He won’t release Bruce, he will trade him away.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Its gonna be funny as hell when it’s all on Cano to make the deal official. Then he blocks the trade. Have the talks go through Christmas and suddenly after saying yes. He changes his mind.
LyricalAssassin
Say it ain’t so Joe
hoof hearted
the report about Segura is NOT part of the Mets descussion. The report says he is part of talks with other teams.
So stop talking about Cano, Diaz, Segura going to the mets in a deal.
24TheKid
That would be a huge return for the M’s. Mcniel probably gets traded at deadline if he starts out strong as he doesn’t really fit 2021 and beyond plan imo.
morebreakdowns
If they trade even 2 of Dunn McNeil and Kelenic I’m abandoning this team. unless they are getting back significantly more than Cano and Diaz.
hoof hearted
the main reason seattle won 89 game; alot of them by 1 run = DIAZ!
24TheKid
I could see them trade Synderdard, which should get them better prospects than what they are giving up. Then pickup a good starting pitcher and a few bats via trade or FA. This could get them a better team overall, and keep the farm system where it is now or better.
sampsonite168
“would see McNeil, Kelenic, Dunn, Bruce and Swarzak all head to Seattle”
If true, this trade just went to crap for the Mets. Diaz is good but not worth unloading the whole farm for.
My fears of Brodie being desperate to make a splash as the new GM on the block are coming true.
hoof hearted
Im sure Degrom, thor, and the rest of the SP would love to have Diaz closing behind them.
@DaOldDerbyBastard
Giving up 2 top 5 prospects for a reliever is ridiculous.
54scooterb
I’d like to see a Cubs-Mariners trade. Segura for Torreyes, Russell, Chatwood and Alozay. Yes? No?
Free Clay Zavada
Why does Seattle take Chatwood?
dray16
No, god no, not giving up Alzolay for segura
Frisco500
One underrated part of Canos game is his ability to make contact. He has only struck out 100+ times twice in his career.
baseball365
I’m sorry, but Bruce and Swarzak are owed $36.5M combined between 2019 and 2020. Relatively short contracts. I could even see Swarzak bounce back. So why would you trade multiple first round prospects and $36.5M in obligations for Cano and Diaz? I get the prospect for Diaz part, but the money thing makes no sense to me. Only way this deal works is if the Mariners are eating $8M a year, which would be $40M in total. Then the Met’s get Diaz and Cano for $45M and prospects. That would be totally fine and appropriate.
Priggs89
There’s no way the Mets can be this dumb.
wright1970
priggs89, yes the Mets can be this dumb..
jk2me1310
The Mets strive to prove that statement wrong every day
tonysdog01
Screw the Mets. This is just another money dump. Seattle pays 10 million toward Cano and takes Bruce and Swarzik. But the Mets give up three of their bed prospects for a fat old PED second baseman and a great reliever but he’s a reliever. Just the Wilpons doing the same thing. It ALWAYS comes down to money.
andrewgauldin
At the end of the day, a prospect is just a prospect. They have not proven anything just yet
Adam6710
Which is a good justification when you trade for an incredible player or a cost controlled star. I’m not sure that’s good justification here.
wright1970
horrible trade for the Mets if Kelenic and Dunn are included!! why was I even a bit excited about the Mets finally winning a trade…smh
bradthebluefish
Agreed.
Jt0712
I mean at least we got back dilson. Am i right.
Boogaloo
If the M’s dump Diaz just to get rid of Cano and take back Mets garbage like Bruce and swarzak they should be thrown out of the league.
What would cano get as a free agent right now? 3/50?
His contract is not good but it’s not like he cant play like cabrera, ellsbury or Pujols.
Trade him straight up to a team now or at the deadline that gets desperate.
If you have to eat half the deal, so be it.
You’ll find a taker.
Trade Diaz to either the Braves, phillies, yankees, etc. For the best deal you can get.
These Mets deals are embarrassing. Let them keep Bruce and the rest of their underwhelming talent.
SirCheeto1
McNeil, Kelenic, and Dunn is a great get for the Mariners
wright1970
M’s are clear winners in this trade
Boogaloo
Clearly I posted that before I knew the mets were giving that up, lol.
Kelenic, Dunn and mcneil ?
Are the mets high? No one else wanted Cano, lmfao.
Diaz is great but the league is flooded with great 1 inning relievers.
What an embarrassing state of affairs the mets will be in. Watching a no hustling, aging cano get worse and worse as their young players thrive in seattle
Boogaloo
Clearly I posted that before I knew the mets were giving that up, lol.
Kelenic, Dunn and mcneil ?
Are the mets high? No one else wanted Cano, lmfao.
Diaz is great but the league is flooded with great 1 inning relievers.
What an embarrassing state of affairs the mets will be in. Watching a no hustling, aging cano get worse and worse as their young players thrive in seattle.
24TheKid
I recommend you read the article next time before you comment, the information you were wrong about was present at the time of your original comment.
Knowthemarket
I have to agree with the others that have responded to you. McNiel, and then 2 top 100 prospects in Kelenic and Dunn all while moving Cano’s contract even though it’s got Diaz attached would he a job well done by Dipoto.
bobbyvwannabe
Mets fan here. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
bradthebluefish
Mets are acting desperate if they go through with this. Will be curious what kind of money is involved. That’s the difference maker.
jvent
I hope it’s not true about trading McNeil,Kelenic and Dunn just to get Diaz ?
bobbyvwannabe
Sign Miller and Familia and then I’ll be satisfied from a bullpen rebuild standpoint. Then get a freakin catcher (as long as he’s not 36 year old cheater)
Ben 20
I hope it is true lol
Danny R.
Wow. McNeil and Kelenic & Dunn. If this truly is the deal, M’s will be winners. I was stand offish at first but getting those three plus the scraps (Bruce and swarzac) is a lot better haul than I imagined. Keep it up Dipoto!
Boogaloo
Plus Bruce and swarzak, scrubs as they may be, both have very short term deals and not alot of money remaining.
It’s not out of the question they could have good years and play themselves into being traded for further salary relief and a lottery ticket prospect.
Dipoto could end up getting rid of 100 million of a shot cano for McNeil, 2 top 100 prospects PLUS.
lol, all for a reliever?
Relievers are a dime a dozen these days, guess having the shiniest dime paid off big time.
TJECK109
It looks like the Mets gave up 3 prospects for Diaz and then Bruce and Swarzac for Cano and his 86mil contract. A good young closer is valuable but 3 prospects and 86mil?
realgone2
Thanks Mets,
Sincerely.
The Atlanta Braves
tonysdog01
As usual this deal would leave the Mets with a smaller payroll get rid of Bruce’s 13 mil and gain 14 mil of the old guys. But they get ride of 8 + by dumping Swarzak. The games the same only the names have changed.
shane
The Mets are hilarious
Nes
the 8:08 post best be a joke too much youth going back leaving farm pretty barren…how are the Mets getting roped into a 36 yr old 2B-1B? Oy!
Ronk325
Trading Diaz to offset the Cano contract is an incredibly bad move. Diaz could net a return similar to what the Yankees received when they traded Chapman and Miller. The Mariners would be better off attaching Cano to someone like Segura
aidenr
As it currently stands, the M’s aren’t offsetting anything. They’re getting the Mets two best prospects, one of whom has superstar potential, for a one inning reliever. That’s not offsetting, that’s robbery.
Samuel
They are not the Mets 2 best prospects.
Hantoneenee
If this deal goes through, I’ll be sick to my stomach. I don’t want a 36 year old Cano with that contract if they have to sacrafice any prospects AND McNeil.. I’m not saying Cano’s is bad. I just don’t want to see him on the Mets for the next 4 years.. I’ ll be sick to my stomach if they trade Thor as well. This is shaping up to be a dreadful off season. As if being a Met fan wasn’t hard enough. What good is Diaz closing when you have no one to pitch the 7th and 8th. The mets have NO bullpen. None. Zip. Zero. No lead was safe last year, no matter how large of a lead. They want to get rid of “bad contracts” by taking on a worse contract and give away prospects. I want nothing more than to be wrong but this is gonna turn out really bad for them and their fans.
I still think the way to go is:
1st- bullpen sign multple quality arms, ( at least 3) there are plenty out there available. Robertson, Britton Ottavino,Miller etc…
2nd – upgrade defensively at catcher with someone who call’s a good game, can frame and throw out some basestealers. I don’t think you need to shoot for the moon here.
Maybe they could move the likes of Swarzak, Frazier, Vargas Bruce, Flores, D’arnaud, Smith or Lagares with some mid level talent to get a fit there..
3rd – Sign at least 2 2nd tier free agents and improve the depth of talent a the mlb level.
The mixture of what’s left that you don’t trade from #2 above with the new signees i think would be enough to win with this starting pitching.
4th – I’d move Vargas to the Bullpento be a longman spot starter (if he’s not traded) and let Gsellman and Lugo battle it out for the 5th spot in the rotation.
If Machado would agree to play third, that be the only big money spend i’d consider.
It’s not sexy. it’s safe. Low risk and the contracts you have now don’t extend to far down the road.
Why, trade Thor, why take on Cano……it’s just doesn’t make sense. Not to me.
Losing faith in BVW already……….
Just sayin’
Hantoneenee
I’m so F’ing over this orginazation.
I’m Done.
Be well all.
SupremeZeus
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Mariner Moose playing 4D chess on this one, checkmate.
aidenr
I can’t believe that the Mets are trading their two best prospects, one of whom has superstar potential, for a one inning reliever. That is a mind-blowingly bad way to start off BVW’s tenure.
ABP
As a Mariners fan, I’m now warming up to this trade. The rumors we initially heard were so incredibly lopsided toward the Met’s it was absurd. That said, save this post. If this trade goes through, come June, when Cano is batting in the middle of your lineup, raking with a .300 avg and slugging OPS above 800 and competing for a position on 2019’s All Star Team, you’ll be feeling quite different. Further, when you get to see Sugar come out of the bullpen, for the next 4 years, making guys look-a-fool AND he too making the All Star Team………you’ll be feeling quite different. Don’t forget, you’re getting ‘2’ proven Major League all stars. Two. We’re getting mediocre major leagures in a salary dump BUT prospects. Let me repeat that word, prospects. Guys who haven’t even hit AAA yet. As a Mariner fan let me say, I’m reminded of guys like Dustin Ackley (#2 overall), Nick Franklin, #29 overall, D.J Peterson, #12 overall draft pick. I can go on and on. All busts. Fans fall in love with prospects but the top of the pyramid is steep and a guy raking in single A has no idea the Diaz’s that are waiting to make him look a fool. Prospects are not proven. Major league allstars ARE proven.
wright1970
Diaz has one great year but he is a relief pitcher!! he could implode next year and thoroughly suck….huge gamble by the Mets
hoof hearted
Bingo, well said.
Mario93
Why the Mets are where they are… trades like this. They alwyss had a knack for collecting garbage
driftcat28 2
A trade probably wouldn’t have worked out, but I’m a little bummed Robbie is heading to the Mets and not back to the Yankees. I think he could’ve helped a lot this season and he’s our guy. wishing him the best in Queens!
24TheKid
Idk if it’s possible but will Cano get booed louder by Yankee fans now that he’s a Met?
SirCheeto1
I doubt Yankee fans care about Cano at this point.. I certainly don’t.
24TheKid
They have every time the Mariners have played in New York.
hiflew
Hypocrite NY fans. How many times have the Yankees ever taken a fan favorite away from another team for mega bucks? A lot more than once. Dish it out but they can’t take it.
driftcat28 2
Eh idk, he’ll probably get booed he same as if he was in SEA. I’ve never booed the guy, wasn’t happy about him leaving thought just indifferent about it
Boogaloo
I’d like to take this opportunity to apologize to the seattle mariners.
I had forgotten just how dumb and desperate mets ownership was.
Who gives up 2 top prospects, a good positional player with 6 years of control, and takes a 36 year old coming off a ped suspension with now 86 million reamaing?
Lol, the mets, that’s who.
All for a reliever? Do the mets realize how many top flight relievers come out of no where or go in the tank every single year?
Its Christmas in Seattle!
kbarr888
Totally agree.
This is just another stupid move by the Mets. Why on earth would they want a 36 yr old, washed-up 2B…..who is owed twice as much money as he could POSSIBLY be worth….when they have a 26-yr old guy who performed above expectations in his 1st 1/2 year??? Just dumb.
I can see the need for Diaz, but they could sign one for less than the $86 Million that they are having to absorb on Cano alone!!!
Ho-Ho-Ho……….The Mets Will Suck For Years Now…..
I feel bad for guys like Conforto and Rosario, who will play on a mediocre team for most of their careers now (if they stay with the Mets.
jbigz12
Amed Rosario is a mediocre player until he proves otherwise.
WestCoastSoxFan
You mostly have it right, but what if Diaz really is another Kimbrel? What if Cano has 3 more elite years in the tank? What then?
Don’t fall in love with prospects. It rarely ends well. This makes the Mets much better for 2019-2021. After that? I’m not sure.
mmarinersfan
Everyone here predicted something go wrong with BVW in his first off season.
This is on a whole new level.
WestCoastSoxFan
I disagree. I think this gives the Mets most of what they need to contend. If that rotation stays healthy(big if), they can pitch with anyone. Now they will have the bullpen they need, too.
Adding Cano to that lineup will work wonders. If they can stay close until Cespedes comes back? They will really be on to something. This makes the Mets instantly relevant for the first time in years. I like seeing them go for it.
AllRiseForTheJudge
But this trade only makes sense for the Mets if they hold Thor, which all indications are they won’t do. Also, how much sense does it make to trade Bruce just to bring in Cano?
That seems like a pretty lateral move to me, and one would think keeping Bruce (especially with Cespedes out) would give the Mets more offensive production with the addition of Cano. I don’t understand the lateral move of swapping Bruce for Cano in the lineup, especially if Syndergaard is moved.
That rotation loses a lot without him in it, and the Mets have already proven they can’t win with a Cy Young pitcher on the mound.
hiflew
But what if they trade Thor for actual big league players instead of prospects. I know most people think all trades must involve prospects nowadays, but in the past teams traded their surplus big league talent for other teams’ surplus big league talent.
I applaud the Mets for actively trying to win instead of tearing down and going into a rebuild mode for 2-3 years. Although since the Mariners haven’t been to the playoffs in a generation, I think rebuild is the wrong word. I think the better term would be trying again because rebuilding implies there was something there before the tear down.
Samuel
If the trade goes through as outlined…….
It seems like a very good deal for both teams. They have different objectives. This was the 1st step for the Mets this offseason, and the 3rd for Seattle. Stay tuned…..more to come from both teams.
Boogaloo
If by both teams you mean Seattle and their AAA club then I agree.
Syndergaarden Cop
And the Mets will still be garbage.
WestCoastSoxFan
Not really, Cop. This will give them their best roster in years. On paper anyway.
YourDaddy
So what you are saying is they can aspire to be a .500 team?
jbigz12
If the Mets can generate offense and have piece together a bullpen there’s no reason they can’t compete. Cano is a huge upgrade over what the Mets played at 2B or 1st last year. The guy can still play. They now have McNeil to play 3rd or 2B depending on what they do with cano. Peter Alonso could be a serious boost at some point. They have a lockdown closer again. Still have the big 3 in their rotation with matz as a solid 4. They need a catcher and they need things to bounce their way but they have a shot. No team in that division is so scary that the Mets need to just lay down and die for. I’d take the braves if I were betting but would it be mind blowing to see the Mets or even the Nats pull it out? No, not really
Syndergaarden Cop
no mention of bullpen = zero credibility
MetsYankeesRedSox
Let’s go Mets!
sampsonite168
@martinonyc
Deal right now is Cano and Diaz for Bruce, Swarzak, Batista, Kelenic. McNeil stays
– waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better deal
24TheKid
And Dunn, he admitted he forgot him.
24TheKid
And as a Mariner fan I would rather relieve Dunn than McNeil, I just don’t think he fits what the M’s are trying to do.
xabial
So many comments, have yet to read all them 🙂
I will say this: Think Jay Bruce rebounds to his Cle/Cin form. He will get rejuvenated, and hit despite landing in Safeco.
hoof hearted
Basista? Nothing exciting about him. He adds nothing to the pkg.
jorge78
Is this a record for comments on a story?
xabial
It’s on pace to be… Since I have no life, actually followed this “record”
Cuz I believe More posts is better and love talking baseball with all of you 😉 (Even tho many don’t >..<)
The record is “Cubs sign Yu Darvish, at 732 posts, signed Feb slow offseason audience starved for action
Some idiot bragged guessing contract 100% in 1st post down to opt outs, not knowing initial announcement included maxed out incentives 😉
I expect that record to be shattered this off-season 🙂
MetsYankeesRedSox
Over 950 now.
I’m actually excited for the Mets
xabial
I believe the 2nd most commented article (still more) also involved Cubs in José Quintana blockbuster trade
That one had 715 posts!
Foreveryankees
Are the Mets really that stupid?
Danny B.
No but you are.
kbarr888
Apparently……they are.
Doesn’t look smart to me…..but maybe they know something we don’t?
Danny B.
No, you are. Clearly.
Vjg
No. He’s not. I literally wouldn’t even understand this trade if the players suggested are truly going with Seattle taking on half of Canos contract.
This makes no sense. They’re putting so much forward to aquire an awesome reliever. Canos 35 and although they’re offsetting his salary for 2 years with Bruce and swar they’re still going to be acquiring his age 38/39/ and 40 season at 24mm p/yr.
Danny B.
Seattle is taking back two deadbeats in Bruce & Swarzak. Their salaries combined are $36 million over the next 2 seasons. Right there alone, Cano’s contract goes from $120 million to $84 million. If the Mets can get Seattle to add say another $14 million after that, this deal is a slam dunk for the Mets. Robinson Cano, even at 36 y/o, is absolutely worth 5 yr and $70 million. And then, the Mets trade UNPROVEN prospects for an elite superstar closer who’s only 24 y/o and is under contract for 5 years. This deal is clearly a win for the Mets. The Mariners will be bad for a long, LONG time.
LyricalAssassin
Diaz has 4 years left not five
Boogaloo
You think if Cano was a free agent he’d get 5 years/ 70 million? Lol
You are either a delusional met fan or on some serious drugs.
MetsYankeesRedSox
If Cano can stay reasonably healthy he’s still way better than Cespedes.
Also, I’ve noticed this comment section loading much slower than the others. Maybe because there are so many comments!
I have no life either…let’s get to 1000!
Herb G 2
Switching Bautista for McNeil (or Kelenic, for that matter) tilts the deal back in the Mets favor. So long as the cash we get with Cano is sufficient to maintain payroll equity, allowing us to sign the free agents Brodie has targeted, I am OK with this deal. We still need to add:
An outfielder (McCutchen?)
A starter (Anibal Sanchez?)
Another back end reliever or two: (David Robertson and/or Andrew Miller?)
A catcher (Yan Gomes in trade or FA Wilson Ramos)
jasoneye
If McNeil isn’t included. Hang up the damn phone, Jerry.
Danny B.
Herb G
I would substitute McCutchen for Adam Jones
Wilson Ramos is a must(3 yr, $36 million)
Trade Syndergaard to the Astros for a massive haul of Tyler White, J.D. Davis, Myles Straw, Josh James & J.B. Bukauskas. A trade like this helps the Mets compete in 2019 and as well as replenishes the farm.
After trading Syndergaard, I would sign Dallas Keuchel to add both stability & Championship experience to the rotation.
Definitely sign two of the following relievers to join Edwin Diaz in the bullpen: David Robertson, Zach Britton, Andrew Miller, Adam Ottavino, Cody Allen & yes, even Jeurys Familia.
vtadave
That’s not anywhere near a massive haul.
Danny B.
Some might consider it massive but I consider it realistic and fair.
billysbballz
You must be an Astro fan then because if they are not getting a top 1or 2 prospect back then it’s not so fair.
augold5
You think Tyler White, J.D. Davis, Myles Straw, J.B. Bakauskas, and Josh James is equivalent to Corey Knebel, Keston Hiura, Corey Ray and Jacob Knottingham?? Your either 1, way over-evaluating the Astros system, 2 changed your mind on what a fair return for Thor is, or 3 just plain crazy. No way on earth those two proposals you’ve thrown out from the Astros and Brewers are remotely equivalent.
jbigz12
Mets trade syndergaard for trash trash, J.B. Bukauskas, josh James and miles straw is what you essentially wrote. I think they could do much better than that elsewhere. Dealing syndergaard for prospects is not what you do after this deal. Not at all.
YourDaddy
No cash, just taking Bruce and Swarzak’s contracts off the Mets hands.
Hantoneenee
Agreed, McNeil and the prospects are too much.to give up.
Hantoneenee
Agreed, McNeil plus the two prospects is too much to give for taking that contract.
tonysdog01
It’s all about the $$$$ for the Mets.
Vjg
This is so crazy to me. All cano needs is one injury for the entire fan base to resent this trade. It wasn’t too long ago miggy was look at as a machine. Now with him age 35 and 6 years 184mm to go would any of you want him if Detroit made him a 17mm a year player? (17mm being the avg salary after Bruce and swar)
My point is cano is 35, becoming limited defensively and has 5 years control at essentially 17mm p yr on the luxury cap. You’re literally getting nothing but regression. all for an elite reliever. AND not only is taking in that Albatros contract is enough you’re also giving away top prospects.
I’ve followed baseball extensively for a decade I can honestly think one one trade (shelby miller’s first trade) being worse.
barkinghumans77
Shelby Miller’s first trade was from StL to AtL involving Jason Heyward. Not sure if that’s the trade you mean?
billysbballz
Cano is 36?
Jonathan_1
I hate the Mariners more than anything. I’ve given them the best years of my life and nothing but constant disappointments by players and management alike. Dipshitpoto needs to be gone, he has gutted our farm system, extended Servais, which has been a dis service, now he’s trading our young talent? Why? What is your purpose? Go away!!!
letsplaytwo
Jonathan!!! Dipoto didn’t gut the farm system. He’s trying to fix the mess that Jack Z left us. Gimme a break!
restingmitchface
Dude. You love them and you know it. The fact that you’re so angry proves as much. lol
YourDaddy
So far Dipoto has given up a 30 year old pitcher that has never thrown a full MLB campaign, with 28 starts in 2018 representing a career high and a .207 hitting catcher in Zunino.
If this trade happens he will have given up a 35 year old PED user with only a closer that is young.
Dipoto has already gotten back
Mallex Smith a 25 year old CF that put up 3.5 WAR in 2018,
Justus Sheffield, a MLB ready starter that was the Yankees top prospect,
Erik Swanson, another pitching prospect that could join the Mariners rotation next season,
Dom Thomson Williams, a slick fielding CF with speed that hit .299/.363/.546/.909 with 22 HRs in the low minors has season.
If he ships out Cano and his $120 million contract obligations he will have to send Diaz along with him.
In return for Cano and Diaz he is getting,
McNeil, the Mets starting 2B
Kelenic, a #6 overall draft pick in 2018 that is the Mets best OF prospect and #62 in baseball
Dunn, a 1st round pick in 2016, the Mets best pitching prospect, and #89 prospect in baseball
Bruce, a replacement for Nelson Cruz that hit 36 HR in 2017 before being injured playing the field in 2018.
Swarzak, a veteran reliever that had a 2.33 ERA in 2017 before being injured in 2018.
Just not seeing the downside there.
hojostache
Spot on. I’m glad McNeil isn’t going.
Kelenic is 1 year removed from high school and he is already a top 100 prospect. I expect him to crack the top 30 this year and land in the top 1-5 the year after. The kid has that much potential. It’s only potential so it could go wrong, but dude will likely rake.
Dunn has a lockdown closer as a ceiling. He likely won’t develop into a starter, but his floor is avg relief pitcher…not great, but not horrible.
Bruce is replacement level. He’s not horrible, but he’s overpaid for his production.
Swarzak is a year removed from a pretty good season IIRC. He is a bounceback candidate that could easily be a solid 7th/8th inning guy if he rebounds.
It could work out for both teams, but the risk is much more on the Mets because Cano could go down or PEDs and an elite reliever….but relievers outside of Mariano and that level are a crapshoot.
antsmith7
Include McNeil or no deal!
YourDaddy
This just gets better and better. The Mets will be stuck with Cano at 2B for several seasons. They have no other options at 2B now or in the near future.
McNeil, Kelenic, Dunn, Bruce, and Swarzak represent the Mets starting 2B, their best OF prospect, their top pitching prospect, an OF/1B/DH that hit 36 HR with an .832 OPS in 2017 before suffering through an injury-filled 2018 and a reliever that had a 2.33 ERA over 70 games in 2017 before an injury-filled 2018.
That is quite a haul for the Mariners. They restock their farm system and get a replacement for Nelson Cruz and a veteran reliever.
I don’t see an upside for the Mets outside of Diaz.
Would you give up all that for a closer and a 35 year old player that is owed $120 million?
Come on Van Wagenen, get this trade done!!
Danny B.
That’s because you’re an uneducated moron.
restingmitchface
Wow, thank you so much your thought-provoking response.
You couldn’t use sound reasoning as the basis of your response so you had to insult this person?
LyricalAssassin
Oh Danny boy, put down the pipe, the pipe you are smoking
mlbfan
The M’s are probably not asking for Bruce. The mets are including him for salary balancing. Swarzak had negative value last year, I’d pass too. Cano had 3 WAR in half a season. I’d rather include cash than get Bruce and Swarzak back.
jbigz12
You’d rather pay for their salaries than take them? That’s idiotic. Seattle is not putting out a winning club on the field this year. Bruce could be your starting DH or starting 1B very easily. Swarzak will fill a spot left by diaz. Both are one season removed from being quality MLers.
mlbfan
Yes, the Swarzak is taking up a roster spot and I’d say it is 50-50 that he will put up negative WAR again next season. I’d rather use the roster spot for a bullpen prospect that will be here in 2020. Bruce has some value, but I’d rather be developing a OF player than have to play Bruce due to his salary.
johnrealtime
Such short memories some have. Swarzak had a better season than Edwin Diaz in 2017, That was only last year! I’m not saying he’s a better pitcher than Diaz but to say that he isn’t even worth a roster spot at this point is pretty ridiculous
mlbfan
Swarzak had negative WAR in 2018. He had negative WAR in 2016 when he was back in the AL.
Sure, if the M’s trade for him then I’d play him. But I’d rather pay the dollars than ever having him on the team.
johnrealtime
How about acquire this asset, play him and hope he rebuilds some value and then trade him next year for prospects? Not a bad strategy for a rebuilding team, no?
mlbfan
How about not acquiring a player that had negative WAR last year and negative WAR the last time he pitched in the AL and using the roster spot to develop someone who will be there in 2020?
mlbfan
Bruce is going to waste a roster spot. How about a rebuilding team actually using their roster spots for their prospects instead of trying to extract some small value from a pitcher that’s projected for 0.5 WAR?
YourDaddy
Cano had a 3.4 WAR in a full season the year before he started using PED. Write off his performance last season. He won’t repeat it. 35 year old players that are NOT on steroids decline. He will too.
Swarzak was injured last season. He had a 2.33 ERA the season before. When he is healthy, he is really good. That is a chance worth taking considering he only has one year left on his deal while Cano has 5 years and $120 million.
Bruce hit 36 homers in 2017 then had plantar fasciitis and a hip issue that derailed his 2018 season. Both are serious injuries if you have to play in the field. In Seattle he just has to be a DH most games.
mlbfan
Bruce also only hit 18 hrs two years before 2015 too. He’s not getting any younger. I don’t see any suitors for Bruce, he’s just a salary balance inclusion. You have your homer glasses on. Cano will never hit again, but Bruce is going to repeat his 2017 season, LOL
YourDaddy
Cano will be 36 in 2019. Bruce 32. Can you name even one 36 year old that got better other than the steroid users like Bonds? Well, Cano’s last full season he put up a 3.4 WAR. So with a decline assured each of the next 5 seasons, what will he be contributing by the end of the 5 years left on his deal? What position will he play? It won’t be 2B. He is a defensive liability there already.
GMs talk about 3-year running averages when evaluating players and the trends in those 3 seasons. For Bruce, it was 33 HR, 36 HR and then just 9 in an injury-plagued 2018 that saw him start only 82 games. Which is the outlier? If you are a GM, which years do you believe represent the real Bruce?
In 2014, 5 seasons ago, he was injured and put up only 18 hrs in 128 starts. The season before that and the season after he hit 30 and 26. So which is the outlier?
Each time he has been injured, it has been from playing the field. What will Bruce do in Seattle? Mostly DH. A healthy Bruce hits and hits for power.
mlbfan
Raul Ibanez got better from 36 to 37. You probably thought Bruce was a bum yourself last year.
You haven’t convince me or this mets fan.
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aussiegiants53
Crikey! There’s a lot of comments…
Where does Cano play? Do the Mets flip Diaz at the deadline for a killer package? Do the M’s then try and sign a few pieces to attempt to contend again? Is Bruce the new DH?
vtadave
Find out next on Dragonball Z
jleve618
Dang, I was just in the midst of a mighty scroll to remark about the number of comments, but you’ve beaten me.
iverbure
2b. No. No. And yes
YourDaddy
2B.
Only if they are not contending, so probably yes.
Probably not. They are not planning to contend until 2020/2021
Yes.
ColossusOfClout
I’m not buying this BS about notifying players a deal is imminent. They are notified when a deal is final not before (unless they have a NTC)……. never mind, I forgot it’s the Mets.
pd14athletics
Maybe someone already mentioned this in comments, but I only scanned before posting. I feel Cano waiving his NTC is a big obstacle. Going from no state tax in WA to NY is a massive difference in money. I’d think he’d want something big in return for waiving.
Ben 20
Hell, Cano probably saves money by going to the nets as the politicians tax EVERYTHING else.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Nets?
Basketball?
Boogaloo
Where are all the mets fans saying they didnt want machado cause he doesn’t hustle?
Manny is Pete Rose compared top Cano, lol, and a decade younger.
Hope the relief pitcher you got doesn’t have a bad year, that never happens to those guys, lmfffao
Daniel Nemo Talorico
I do not understand why the Mets are sending the M’s 2 top prospects, while their only getting back 1. Now I understood when Smith was being mentioned in the deal, but now he is not. I feel that the Mets are NOT getting a fair deal at the end of this so called trade. Their giving up Kelenic, their 1st round pick last year. This kid I think will turn out to be really good, he was rated the best hitter in last year draft, and their giving up their top pitching prospect in Justin Dunn, and now Baustia is being mentioned in the deal who is a hard throwing reliever, and Bruce and Swarick. The Mets are getting back a 36 year old Cano and Diaz I’m which had a great year last year, ok you can say prospect for prospect, but the Mets r still giving up anthor if their top prospects while taking on $80 some million more dollars n cano contract. What happen to the kid Smith going to the Mets, now that would of matched up well if he was still n the deal. Just hope this doesn’t come back to screw the Mets years down the road with Dunn n Kelenic. Now if this goes through, what is the next moves they will do? R they still trying to move THOR, since the Paders do not want to include Tatis n the deal. Are they still m the mix for Harper?
PhanaticDuck26
man, you’re not gonna get two proven MLB stars for nothing… you have to give up something that makes you go “ouch” in order to get Cano and Diaz. To be honest, if the Mets are hanging onto McNeil then the trade really doesn’t look as bad for the Mets as people are making it out to be. You seem to be overlooking the obvious thing here: prospective talent (unproven) vs experienced MLB talent (proven)–the Mets will be immediately better with the addition of these two stars, which is exactly what they should be doing to help their awesome pitching staff get some damn help. I think the Mets have a decent FA splash signing coming up after this as well….
GarryHarris
Washington would be a better fit for Cano-Diaz.
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Boogaloo
Joel Sherman reporting the mets are offering Peter Alonso straight up for future HOF albert puljos.
BVW magic in full effect in Queens.
The Oregonian
Where are you getting that? I’ll admit you made me check his twitter. That would be insane
bjhaas1977
Cano will lose his eyesight and become HIV positive
hiflew
I love reading the delusions on both sides of the deal. Here are some truths that both sides need to hear.
1. PEDs and money aside, Robbie Cano is still an All Star talent, not a dottering old man.
2. Jeff McNeil is not yet Roberto Alomar, stop acting like he is.
3. Edwin Diaz had a great year, but relievers are notoriously volatile and he could easily be awful in 2019.
4. Jay Bruce is not going to play one inning in a Mariner uniform in 2019. This is DiPoto we are talking about. He might actually be traded again before this deal is even completed.
5. The deal is not even completed yet, so everyone needs to relax just a bit.
RaeRae
The Mets new GM Brodie Van Stupid looks to be trading every prospect the Mets have for Edwin Diaz who has had one year of success as a closer? He is not and will never be Mariano Rivera so why is he worth the Mets trading Jarred Kelenic, Anfres Gimenez, Justin Dunn, David Peteson and Jeff McNeil for Edwin Diaz? Obviously the Mets should immediately fire VanNumbnutz, and beg Chaim Bloom whom many fans wanted t be the GM not Van Dummy if he cannot see how easily he id being taken advantage of by Marners GM Jerry Dipoto? Bloom should have been the Mets GM not this moron.. This is the dumbest Mets trade I have ever heard of, and I have seen a lot of dumb Mets moves since 1962 but this one would be the absolute dumbest.
hiflew
Edwin Diaz may be a one year wonder, although it has actually been 2 very successful years and one decent year. But the five guys you listed have had a grand total of one-half successful big league seasons. And McNeil is not even part of the trade anymore. They might be good prospects, but even good prospects fail about 75% of the time. The Mariners will be VERY lucky if just one of them has even one season like Diaz had.
Matt Marcellus
Giminez and Peterson aren’t in the deal. What are you talking about?
TradeAcuna
This is pretty much the Mets taking the advantage of acquiring one of the best closers in baseball. The prospects they are trading are nothing of worth whatsover. Once they get Diaz, they will focus on the rest of the holes on the team, possibly by trading Noah.
On the flip side, this does have a similar framework to when the Padres acquired Kimbrel. The Braves got garbage in the deal other than possibly Riley. Still to this day, one of the worst deals the Braves made during the rebuild. The Padres on the other hand, traded Kimbrel to the Sox for a much more decent package. The Mets can do the same. I personally think this will turn out a win win for both teams, but i like this more for the Mets
Matt Marcellus
Kelenic is probably the most desired prospect we have. He was the top prep pick (6 overall) last year. It’s going to sting a lot letting him go. Dunn has #3 upside, but I’m fine letting him go.
TradeAcuna
Kelenic is what….at least 3 years away from the majors? Now if the Mets were in a rebuild mode, then sure, this trade makes no sense. Clearly, they still view themselves as contenders, and getting a top closer, while also opening up positions, is the best route to take right now. They can now go after other free agents to fill other spots and of course, presumably trade Noah for a package that will surely put them at a higher level. Worst best case scenario? The team stinks, Diaz pitches well, they trade Diaz to a desperate team during the deadline. Surely, the return for him will be far better since no bad contracts are attached with him.
lapmando
Aweful!!! A move that doesn’t need to be made. Another aging player after his prime added by the Mets. Have we not learned from the past. So typical of this team to screw and mess with emerging talent. Add McNeil to the list that includes Nimmo, Conforto, Lageras, Justin Turner, Alonso for not calling him up when he EARNED it. So our philosophy must be to take young talent who can flat out hit and mess with their psyche by moving them out of position or trying making them patient at the plate (were other organizations are taking their tips up there), demotions….its a clown organization.
stansfield123
To all the angry Met fans: Kelenic and Dunn aren’t being traded for Cano and Diaz. Kelenic and Dunn are in there because Jay Bruce and Swarzak are in there. Bruce and Swarzak are borderline useless, and come with a $35M pricetag. Kelenic and Dunn are worth about $30M, between the two of them.
This is BVW fixing his predecessor’s mistakes, by getting rid of two dead contracts. Once you take these four names out of the equation, you’re just getting Cano and Diaz straight up. So relax.
If the deal falls through, the Yankees will be more than happy to step in, and make the same exact offer: Ellsbury, two prospects that offset Ellsbury’s $47M dead contract, and some filler, in exchange for Cano and Diaz. It’s a good deal.
Boogaloo
If the Yankees wanted Cano and Diaz they would of already made the trade.
Only the Mets would give away good prospects instead of just eating the money, why the organization is a joke.
Watch Bruce and swarzak have big years, lol
#L1C4Life
This is the dumbest response i have seen.
billysbballz
How do you figure pal?
If Cano were a free agent at best he’s getting 2/30 or maybe close to Donaldson 1/20????
After this deal the Mets will owe Cano how much money?
He’s 36yo, he’s a borderline DH after this year, failed PED user, and they have a future 2nd and 1st basemen? Not about being angry. I’m not a met fan but this deal makes little sense adding the level of prospects they did! Sorry Seattle fans but no convincing anyone! Dipoto is taking advantage of a rookie GM/player agent who negotiated Cano contract!
#L1C4Life
You just said it yourself, Cano has more years left on his contract than signing 1 year of Donaldson, who is still younger than Cano. That contract, plus the loss of 2 of your 4 top prospects is going to cripple the team. Besides, a dynamite closer and a declining 2nd baseman wont win the division. Too me, the GM is putting all of his eggs in 1 basket. Wont be able to do many more trades with the farm system after the trade with Seattle.
#L1C4Life
I hope they do this deal, I really want the Mets to become still irrelevant and deplete their farm and current team all in one swoop. This is going to be another case of the Padres thinking they were close, and trading for Kimbrel/Upton, and they didnt win nada..
stansfield123
The sad news is, even if this trade happens, the Mets still have zero chance to beat the Braves, in the next few years, and are underdogs for a wild card spot as well.
If they had some passion for building a great team, they would close this deal, eat the whole $120M Cano is owed, and flip him to a contender for prospects. The Yankees, for instance, would hand over all three of their remaining ranked prospects.
Then do a comprehensive selloff, of everyone with four years or less of team control left, and put together the greatest farm system in the majors.
Then, in two years, up the payroll to $230M, and start winning.
c1234
If there rotation stays healthy (which probably won’t happen) and they make this trade I feel they are almost as good as the Braves.
MarlinsFanBase
If “almost” means like Melissa McCarthy looks almost as hot in a Wonder Woman outfit as Gal Gadot, then I guess this sounds about right.
#L1C4Life
ALMOST as good as the Braves, in their current state. Braves still plan to add a starter, RF, and bullpen pieces. So after that, they wont be near as good as Braves
Tomahawktake
The Mets are pulling another bonehead Mets move. Cano has no pop and now in a large ballpark. Braves don’t fear this deal we laugh at it. I don’t understand why the Mets won’t rebuild instead of making these desperation poor financial moves.
TradeAcuna
Yeah, no! The Braves need to fix that rotation if they want to sustain long term success.
#L1C4Life
And they plan on it.
TradeAcuna
They been planning on it since Wren was in helm. Every year we here, “Braves are interested in a front line starter”…then they end up trading for Maholm and Guasman. It makes a lot more sense now and I’m still worried the team is still overly attached to their prospects despite the surplus.
#L1C4Life
Something will get done, AA just signed McCann and Donaldson, sticking with current rotation wont get you far and he knows this.
jimmertee
Anyone trading for Cano is a little nuts. What a huge finanical and operational risk. Even Cashman thought the guy was juiced. Now that he is being monitored closely , let’s see about his performance.
I continue to question all these long term contract for players into their mid 30’s. More often than not they negatively affect the club in later years. It is not good business giving anyone these long term deals. I wouldn’t even give Harper a long term contract. It’s business foolishness.
MarlinsFanBase
So the Mets about to acquire Roberto Alomar…I mean…Robinson Cano.
Watch out NL East! Here comes Robinson Cano and the greatest pitching staff ever!
IloveMACfootball
So VanWag convinces Cano to go to Seattle when he’s his agent. Cano hates it. So now VW is trying to right his wrong and bring him back to NY? This is disgusting.
bcap
Is any Mets fan actually excited about this? As a general baseball enthusiast, it is difficult to see the Mets make the same mistake over and over and over again.
MarlinsFanBase
As a fan of a division rival, it’s entertaining as heck, especially while my team is rebuilding.
G Vanlue
I am excited. There is a pretty decent chance that Diaz remains a good-to-excellent closer for the next 4 years, barring injuries; and there is a pretty decent chance that Cano remains a good hitter for the next couple of years, letting McNeil slide to 3rd or become a utility man, so that the team has much improved depth in the infield. So, I think this definitely makes the team better for the next few years- it’s a win now move, but it’s not the same as giving away a prospect for a rental. (Does Dunn have that much more value than Franklyn Kilome, whom we got for less than half a season of Cabrera this summer?)
Meanwhile, there is a decent chance that Dunn doesn’t make it; up to now, he hasn’t really profiled as a top of the rotation starter anyway. And Kelenic, as toolsy as he is, hasn’t even played full-season ball yet. I hope for the best for both of them, but neither is even remotely a sure thing.
So, I am cautiously optimistic- the two things that seemed to cost us the most games last year were the inability to score runs and the bullpen; this should help both, immediately.
bcap
Good luck to your team!
#L1C4Life
I could totally understand this trade if Seattle were trading Cano/Diaz to a contending team like the Yankees or Red Sox, but it makes absolutely no sense for the Mets. They havent won the division in 3 years, they are in limbo. They should have just signed a closer and used the money they are paying Cano to extend deGrom.
dp7
Yeah.. it seems we’re giving away our prospects for very little and yet the Padres will not send any of their top prospects for Syndergard… maybe our GM should take another look at this deal. Why not include other access parts like Dom Smith
#L1C4Life
I am loving the deal for Seattle if it happens. Taking advantage of a rookie GM. Mets having DIaz is like putting brand new locks on a port o potty, its useless.
TheYanksWin
Maybe, but they’re still losing someone of extreme value. I think it speaks to how awful they think the Cano deal is that they’d include Diaz to move the contract.
Danny B.
Haha!!! Seattle is getting fleeced here, not the Mets. The Mets convinced Seattle to take Bruce & Swarzak, whom no other team wants, get the best closer in the AL plus the Mariners are putting more money into the deal to bring Cano’s AAV to about $12 million. It’s a slam dunk for the Mets. I don’t get caught up on the prospects because bottomline is they’re freaking prospects. Prospects have proven NOTHING on the major league level and 8 out of even 10 prospects don’t ever pan out anyway. Jarred Kelenic is AT LEAST 3 years away, more likely 4. So you’re telling me that Mets fans would rather wait to win rather than win now??? I doubt it. Omar Minaya is going to help the Mets in the International Free Agent market and with the latest hires into the front office, the Mets will draft far better than the last regime did.
24TheKid
Then according to you the Braves got fleeced in the Shelby Miller trade because they received prospects?
MarlinsFanBase
Let the Mets fan drink his Kool-Aid. It’s gonna be hilarious…like it always is with that team, fan base, and media.
#L1C4Life
So you think that Seattle is going to take on Bruce and Swarzak’s money left, AND pay some of Cano’s contract bring the AAV down to 12? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA, dumb.
MarlinsFanBase
Not “dumb” per say. Mets fan. Let them talk and drink the Kool-Aid. All of us in the NL East have been laughing at them for years.
Elfod325
As a Mets fan I actually don’t hate this as long as McNeil is not in this deal. Of course I’m also counting on Seattle to cover a substantial portion of Cano’s Contract. I don’t hate getting rid of the Bruce deal since, with everyone healthy there isn’t a spot in the OF for him (conforto and Nimmo will play everyday in 2019 I think) and I don’t want Bruce at 1b.
All that said if I’m giving up what’s rumored less McNeil I still need mallex Smith or segura back; otherwise I walk away from this.
macrohard69
I don’t like the deal that is being reported for a few reasons. Jay Bruce and Swarzak could rebound and have excellent years in 2019 and we are basically giving them away for nothing. They are each only one year removed from decent seasons and were injured last year. The Mets’ farm system isn’t very good so you have to be careful when dealing your best young talent and Diaz is very good but not worth Kelenic, Dunn and Bautista. Cano is still a very good player but that contract is nuts and I wouldn’t want any part of it. If Cano gets hurt and misses substantial time, this deal could look very very bad.
dust44
Wow Cano and Cespedes. Talk about Leadership issues….
TheYanksWin
Yeah I mean I’m certainly biased as a Yanks fan but it’s hard to imagine this ending well for the Mets. The last 2-3 years of Cano are going to be ugly. And it could be the last 4. Every great 2B EVER has fallen off a cliff at right about this age. Heck, the Mets had one happen on their watch and should’ve learned first hand.
I know they needed a closer, I know closers are important, and I know Diaz is amazing. I wouldn’t have done this deal.
EDIT – to say that my opinion could change if Seattle also sends a meaningful amount of cash to the Mets. (and, don’t @me about how much $ the Mets are saving by trading other salary away – trust me, in 2-3 years you’re all going to be moaning about his salary if there’s not a lot of cash going to the Mets here)
Day1Mets
By sending Bruce and Swarzak, Cano’s contract already comes down to $87 Million compared to $120 Million. Add in the money saved by the 4 years of low cost control on an elite closer and any money Seattle sends over. This trade is a great trade for the Mets.
Danny B.
Bruce has $28 million left & Swarzak has $8 million. That actually brings Cano down to $84 million and rumor has it that the Mariners are putting in enough money to bring Cano’s AAV to around $12 million. This is a steal for the Mets. Oh, to all those fans losing their minds about trading Jarred Kelenic & Justin Dunn for Edwin Diaz, get a clue. If the M’s traded Diaz separately, they would have gotten more. Kelenic & Dunn aren’t even Top 50 prospects, look it up. Plus, they have proven NOTHING on the major league level. I’d rather have an elite closer who’s only 24 y/o and under team control for another 5 seasons over talented but unproven prospects. I’d do this trade 100 time out of 100.
muskie73
Edwin Diaz comes with four years of team control.
Danny B.
Wrong, 5 years. He’s under contract through 2023, look it up. That’s ’19, ’20, ’21, ’22 & ’23. That’s five seasons buddy.
Jimmy S
If the M’s could have gotten a better package for Diaz, they would have done so. Edwin Diaz had one great season, one good season, and an average season. For anyone to consider him an “elite” closer is crazy so maybe you should get the clue.. Robinson Cano is way passed his prime. Trading Dunn is a mistake especially if they want to trade Noah. Not just that, we could have just signed a damn closer. There’s plenty available. So no, it is not a good trade. I’m sure they could have shed Bruce’s contract by a different trade. I hope the GM has something up his sleeve or this will go down as one of the worst trades when Kelenic and Dunn are killing it in Seattle.
#L1C4Life
No, he is a free agent in 2023, meaning at the end of the 2022 season. Learn baseball before commenting on it.
xthetouristx
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IL-Jgr8BwgBDgg03nP…
4 years. He’s a free agent prior to 2023.
Danny B.
You were right muskie73, it is 4 years. Either way, still worth it. Would be worth it if he only had 3 years. It’s impossible to get elite closers that young.
hojostache
A year ago Kelenic was still in high school. Multiple scouts have said he has superstar potential with avg mlb’er as his floor. He will be in the top 10 in another couple of years. Dude has all of the tools. Still a prospect…but one I really didn’t want the Mets to move for a reliever.
Day1Mets
2 Reasons to love this trade.
1.. The Mets are addressing 2 immediate needs and are trying to contend the next 4-5 years by obtaining a low cost-key piece of any championship team in Diaz.
2.. We are not eating Cano’s entire contract.
– I understand we’re giving up Kelenic and Dunn, but do you expect any of them to be called up the next 2-3 years AND turn out to be as good as you believe?
– Do you think the Wilpons will spend the money to resign DeGrom, Syndergaard, Wheeler, Conforto, Nimmo, Cespedes, Lugo etc..?
If you hesitated to answer the previous 2 questions, then you actually like this trade because the Mets need to win in the next 2-3 years when they will have most of the players mentioned
By the way, the only key starters missing from the 2015 World Series: Daniel Murphy, Granderson and Familia. This trade improves on 2 of those 3.
Danny B.
THANK YOU!!! It’s soo frustrating to see all of these people getting caught up on these prospects. 8 out of every 10 prospects don’t even pan out anyway. Not to mention, the Mets are working on another mega-deal with the Rockies which the Mets would trade Noah Syndergaard for Nolan Arenado, Raimel Tapia & Peter Lambert. And before people lose their minds about Arenado being way better then Syndergaard and why would the Rockies do that. It’s simple, Arenado has 1 year left on his contract, Syndergaard has 3 years left. The Rockies can’t afford to keep Arenado long term. Tapia has no place to play in Colorado, can play CF for the Mets & leadoff and Lambert would essentially be replacing Justin Dunn in the Mets farm system. Dunn is the 89th ranked prospect and Lambert is 99th. That’s pretty much a coin flip.
Day1Mets
I’d prefer to keep Syndergaard, but if we got a solid return like Arenado, Tapia and Lambert then I’m for it.
Danny B.
I agree. Keeping Syndergaard doesn’t hurt but if we can get a hitter of Arenado’s caliber, the Mets have to do it. Could you imagine an infield with Arenado at 3B, Rosario at SS, Cano at 2B and McNeil at 1B??? That would be a phenomenal infield, both defensively & offensively. By the way, McNeil can play 1B, I looked it up.
#L1C4Life
Think you are forgetting one little thing, Todd Frazier. He didnt sign to be a bench player.
Danny B.
Too bad, he’s going to have to accept a platoon role. He can play against lefties at 1B and play 1B when the Mets play in AL parks. The Mets could shift Cano to DH, McNeil to 2B and then Todd can play 1B. He only makes $7 million in 2019. That’s not even enough for people to consider him an over pay for a bench player. Frazier has earned nothing. Be a team player, mentor the young guys and do your job when called upon. Guess what, if Frazier had hit .270 last season with 25 HR’s and like 90 RBI’s, the Mets wouldn’t even consider another third baseman. #TheTruthHurts
#L1C4Life
He is actually making 9 million next year, and further proves my point.
Danny B.
$7, $8, or $9 million, doesn’t matter. Sit your a$$ on the bench.
MarlinsFanBase
Still waiting on that source.
#L1C4Life
How old are you dude to think it works that way? This isnt some video game.
#L1C4Life
What on earth are you smoking to think Syndergaard is getting trading for Arenado, Tapia and Lambert? That wouldnt even begin to start the conversations .
MarlinsFanBase
Source?
#L1C4Life
And honestly, I know BVW is dumb, but not dumb enough to trade 3 years of Noah for 1 of Arenado when they just signed Frazier, a player in Tapia with a career WAR of -0.7 and their #3 prospect. Stop pulling names out of a hat.
MarlinsFanBase
Seems that he’s going to disappear now that we are both calling him out about this.
Clearly names he pulled out of a hat. I’d love to see the source where he saw that.
With stuff like that, he’d fit right in with working for E!SPN.
Danny B.
I never disappear. I have a life, unlike most of you. Do your own research.
#L1C4Life
I think its you that DOES NOT have a life because you are responding in record time, and Its YOU that needs to do research. You dont know how much Frazier is making, you have no clue how many years are left on Diaz’ UNcontract, thats right, hes not under contract. he is Pre-Arb eligible. Get your stuff together dude and stop living in fantasy world. And if you have such a life, go live it.
#L1C4Life
Oh, he wont disappear, he has a life, whatever that means. I just wish he would let me borrow his rose colored glasses. I get being a fan of a team, but not being un-realistic.
MarlinsFanBase
I did the research. You pulled this out of your poophole.
MarlinsFanBase
Well said. He has those Mets Goggles. Those things are more potent than any other hallucinogen known to man. And Many Mets fans own a pair. Us Marlins, Phillies, Braves, and Nats fans enjoy seeing the logic that comes from them. We’ve been laughing at them for years. It’s like watching the drunk guy pick up Bridezilla Frankenstein at a bar, when his perception has him thinking she’s a 10.
metfan4ever
Your team traded the last NL MVP for NOTHING, & a triple crown winner FOR NOTHING-oh sorry-YOU DID GET ANDREW MILLER AND MOVED HIM FOR NOTHING-Marlinsfanbase of 1, which is also how many fans they get to come to home games.
#L1C4Life
Thats your problem though, thinking this move is going to make the Mets winners in the East, not when the Phillies are going to spend stupid money, the Braves have already improved their 2018 NL EAST CHAMPION team, and the Nats, well they are the Nats. So good luck contending in what should be a stacked NL East. I look for the Mets to be strong out of the gate again, then slowly fade into the sunset around August, and not just next year, but for the next 3-5, which Kelenic and Dunn would have been up to help the team, but they will be gone.
Day1Mets
You’re problem is thinking we will resign all the young players we currently have, specifically DeGrom. What’s your solution when DeGrom walks in a year or 2? Wheeler next year? We will lose a lot of key pieces to a championship team in your 3-5 year scenario.. Kelenic and Dunn are theoretical scenarios 3 years away,
Cano and Diaz are now. DeGrom, Syndergaard, Wheeler are now. As the years go by, more players will walk away from this team because of money. Kelenic and Dunn can be great, but they can also be busts.
#L1C4Life
Diaz is now, Cano was a few years ago. Mets are serious about trading Syndergaard, that leaves deGrom, Wheeler, and Vargas, not very strong.. And the rest of the bullpen besides Diaz, wont be able to hold a lead. So unless Diaz is going to get 3 inning saves every time out, its not going to matter. Come back to me when Mets do more than trade for an old 2nd baseman and an elite closer. The rest of the team has more holes than swiss cheese
Day1Mets
Cano is a .300 hitter and better fielder than any 2B option in the market today.
Diaz is an Elite closer now and the next few years.
The Mets have 3-4 holes max and 2 are resolved with this trade. If Brodie gets us a catcher and another pitcher or 2, Mets will contend.
Samuel
Great trade for the Mets if they keep McNeil.
(Typical how Met fans and analysts downplayed his 2018 play until the rumors started about him being traded…..so now everyone loves him……and rags on BVW (he’s dumb) for trading him……but whoops! – it appears that McNeil is not being traded……..so…….)
What the Mets were missing in 2018 was a solid, dependable, run-producing bat in the middle of the order. They’ve got guys to get on base. They needed a bat to get them in and turn the LOB’s into a big inning. Cano is perfect for that in 2019. He transforms the line-up – the way opposing pitchers approach the Mets hitters and the way opposing managers run the game.
Brilliant trade. Opens up more trade and free agent possibilities at a minimal cost in players and money.
Elfod325
For me its how the mets follow this up. If they do this, but then you go sign at least two of miller, robertson, britton, familia, etc i dont hate it. maybe 3 of those guys. I would also spend considerable for Pollock (unless i can get mallex back in this deal). I also think they should consider wilson ramos on a 2yr deal if he would accept that. They do a few or all of those things and I am fine with this. They do this and nothing else…well..they just prove all the people saying “they are still the mets” on here right.
Danny B.
I agree with you. Brodie Van Wagenen has to follow this trade with other moves. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that this trade is being done before the Winter Meetings. I believe the Mets wanted to make a splash before the meetings and a splash during the meetings. I would like to see the Mets sign Andrew Miller to a 2 year deal, Adam Ottavino to a 2 year deal and Wilson Ramos to a 3 year deal.
MarlinsFanBase
Still waiting on that source about Arenado in a package for Syndergaard.
metfan4ever
marlinfanbase you send more time here than at a Marlin game. Who’s your 3B, ss, 2b. well your team has nothing. Jeter made sure of that.
jakec77
I don’t know that the Mets need to get more than one of those relievers in addition to Diaz, that’s just overkill. Gsellman and Lugo did enough to show they at least deserve to get the 6th and 7th innings. And you can always add a bullpen guy in July.
They absolutely have to get a catcher.
Pollock- not if he’s looking for Cain money. Makes more sense to add a complementary piece to replace Bruce, and go with what they have in the OF. The hope is Cespedes is playing in the 2nd half, and historically there is reason to hope he will play well if the Mets are in contention.
Yes, they could use another right handed bat, and you really have to hope that Rosario’s 2nd half is indicative of how he’ll play this year (which would be huge, he could be a legitimate #1 hitter).
MetsYankeesRedSox
Yeah!
700 posts
Danny B.
It is awesome!!! Shows passion.
24TheKid
Who would have thought it would happen on a post relating to the Mariners. But I guess the M’s are trading former Yankee Cano so it makes sense.
MarlinsFanBase
I’m sure E!SPN and FOX Sports are discussing it as Robinson Cano coming back to NY from some place in the Northwest.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Mo Vaughn
Jason Bay
Yoenis Cespedes
Robinson Cano
I’m seeing a pattern here.
bernbabybern
I hope Cano blocks it. :p
baseballpun
Ok, not a Mets fan, but here’s my defense of the Mets.
(1) Especially without McNeil in the trade, the Mets will be a better team in 2019 and 2020 (at least) after this trade. Fans have become way too willing to accept the “tank for 3+ years and try to have a short window of competitiveness” model of running a franchise. Obviously there are times when it makes more sense to re-stock young talent than mortgage the future (looking at you, SF), but the Mets have a playoff (maybe championship) quality rotation right now, which brings me to my second point…
(2) The Mets don’t need to throw in the towel just because the Braves and Phils are up and coming. Neither of those teams are powerhouses and the Nats aren’t dominant either. With a healthy Thor (I know, big if and we’ll see if they keep Thor, but still) the Mets have the best starting pitching in the division, and their rotation may be the best building block of any team in the East. That’s a win-now rotation. If you can pitch consistently, you’re going to be in every game. If they keep Thor and add some middle relief they’re fielding a quality team with real postseason potential if they get some breaks. Everyone wants a superteam or a “rebuilding” team, but putting a competitive team out there should have value too.
(3) The biggest reason people hate this deal for the Mets is that they’re giving up 2 good (I guess…I don’t know anything about them) prospects. But again, we put too much faith in prospects. As far as I know, neither of these guys are Ronald Acuna/Juan Soto/Tatis, Jr./Vlad, Jr.-level guys. The baseball history books are filled with top prospects who never amounted to much. Rather build around the quality pitching you have now than some talent you might or might not have in 3 years. Which leads to my last point…
(4) If the Mets were going to trade their best prospects, or make other win-now moves, could they have done better than this deal? Maybe. I don’t think they have a shot at Harper/Machado/Corbin, so I think the Mets need to use trades to add impact players. Seems like for the package going to SEA, they could’ve got Greinke and Goldy, then maybe flipped Thor for an MLB-ready bat and bullpen help. But can Greinke handle NY? Goldy would only be on the team for one year (barring extension). Maybe they could’ve got Bauer or Kluber from Cleveland, but they would still need to trade Thor for offense and maybe bullpen help. Diaz and Cano are going to have big short-term impact – I’m not sure what other comparable deals were realistic.
MarlinsFanBase
My thoughts:
1) You don’t know they’ll be better. That team is often overhyped, down to all of their players. They are not a championship contender unless you’re going based on every once in a while some team surprises everyone…like the 1969 Mets, 1988 Dodgers, or 2003 Marlins. The Mets won’t be picked higher than 3rd in the NL East. They won’t be favored to win the Wild Card. They MIGHT be picked to win over 85 games, but I’m sure that’s where the over/under will start at. They are not as good as the Braves and Phillies, nor have those two teams’ upsides. They are not as good as the Cubs, Brewers, and maybe the Cardinals. They are not as good as the Dodgers, Rockies, or D-Backs. They are on par with the Nats (assuming that Harper leaves and Robels and Soto can’t fill void), Pirates, and Giants.
2) Most overrated pitching staff in decades. They are not the best staff in the division.
3) Agreed.
4) The Mets weren’t getting those guys from Cleveland. Not likely would have gotten Goldy for this package either. Greinke, yes because his contract is just as bad as Cano’s.
Not sure if you’ve seen the Mets team play much. I’m a fan of a division rival (Marlins), and trust me, they are not very good, and are mostly NY hype.
baseballpun
I don’t think the starting staff is hype, just injury prone. That may never change, admittedly. But I think it makes more sense to build around those starters now than hope that quality comes back around to you in 3 years.
G Vanlue
NY hype? The NY media seems to see the Mets as an outdoor latrine- a black hole for them to crap on.
I think there’s a lot of uncertainty in the division right now; depending on who signs where, the Mets can absolutely be competitive. And if they make the playoffs, the top 3 in their rotation match up against just about anyone.
metfan4ever
Marlinfanbase why don’t I see anything about you team. Ohh that because you’re the only one who cares about them and you only have JT.
Samuel
baseballpun;
You were doing great until #4.
No, the package Mets gave up would not have brought back Greinke and Goldy, or and Indians starter.
lol
The Mets gave up an overpaid platoon OF that can’t play OF, an overpaid set-up guy that can easily be replaced, a young pitcher that will be bouncing up and down from AAA for the foreseeable future, and 2 prospects that are 2-3 years away from the majors – one of which the Mets are down on.
The above list shows one quality prospect, 2 questionable prospects, and 2 frivolous, disappointing players making very good money that the Mets wanted off the roster, and that the Mariners hope will play decent enough in 2019 so they can move one or both to a contending team with injuries….at which time the Mariners can get their salaries off the books and pick up a prospect or two like Bautista and Dunn…..hoping for a miracle.
With the money saved on the two vets, the Mets have Cano’s AAV down to around $16mm. Word is that the Mariners will be taking a part of that. Great trade for the Mets.
In short – 2 teams trading bad contracts. To do it the Mets had to give up one very young well-regarded prospect, 2 so-so prospects (of which teams have dozens), and take on some money for an old player. In turn they get a solid middle-of-the-order bat, and a quality major league closer.
baseballpun
I’m not saying they could’ve got Greinke/Goldy (though with Greinke’s salary and Goldy only having one year of control, I don’t think it would take a haul for them), or an Indians starter. I’m saying that I don’t know that there are many other possible trades that would have the short-term impact of adding Cano and Diaz.. Goldy/Greinke/Indians are some of the few big names being bandied about as available.
Point being, if they aren’t getting enough from trading those two prospects, what could they have gotten?
Richard Hangslow
This makes no sense for the Mets. Why would an NL team trade for an aging DH who is still do $120m?
G Vanlue
He’s not a DH, they’re shedding their own bad contracts, they may be getting tens of millions of dollars back, and Cano is being packaged with a reliever who seems to be somewhere between good and really amazing.
Danny B.
Read the updates moron!!!!!! The Mariners are sending $60 million to the Mets on top of taking Bruce & Swarzak off their hands. The Mets are only paying Cano $26 million over 5 years. Freaking Todd Frazier will make more than that over the next 5 years with less than half of Cano’s productivity.
#L1C4Life
Its not official, so back up dude.
jjghost
If it becomes official then the Mets won this trade big time, it s not even close. I say this not as a Mets fan either because the Mets are pond scum.
Bald Vinny
mobile.twitter.com/mikekerwick/status/409049332562…
Doesn’t get more official than this.
pjc1966
I don’t see him at 2B long term, but he’s still serviceable there defensively. He can still hit very well, too. If they are getting 60 million, it’s actually a pretty good deal, provided that money goes toward another acquisition (?)
Danny B.
This UPDATE proves what I’ve been saying for DAYS!!!!! The Mets won this trade in a landslide and the Mariners got fleeced, BIG TIME. The Mets are paying Cano a little more than $5 million per season for the next 5 years and we essentially got Edwin Diaz for 2 prospects that aren’t even in MLB’s Top 50……..Let’s Go Mets!!!! Brodie Van Wagenen is going to be a beast of a General Manager.
T_Rexx2
I really don’t understand what the mariners are doing. They aren’t getting enough in return to give up all that cash. The only reason you pay down a contract THAT much would be to up the return. Do they really not like Cano or something?
Danny B.
That’s exactly it. Between his suspension and having a discord over not playing Cano at 2B when he returned, the relationship was in ruins. The Mets were do for good fortune and this is exactly that. Side note, Jerry Dipoto is a horrendous GM. Thank God he’s not the Mets GM.
#L1C4Life
No, you guys got an even bigger idiot of a GM, doing this trade to put his mark on the GM world, and its gonna backfire, trust me, it always does when it comes to the mets
Danny B.
This is the last reply I’ll send to you because you’re soo moronic that it’s useless wasting educative words on people like you. This trade is a Mets win from every angle possible. You want to hate on the Mets, knock yourself out, but that doesn’t change the fact that this is a fantastic trade for the Mets and an horrendous one for the Mariners. Jerry Dipoto’s aggressive nature towards making trades has backfired this time.
LyricalAssassin
Oh Danny boy, put down the pipes, the pipes you are smoking
Danny B.
Read the updates moron!!! Because as far I know, almost everything I’ve mentioned over the past couple of days have ALL been true. I know my stuff, maybe educate yourself before coming at a overly superior MLB fan than you can ever be. LGM!!! LGM!!! LGM!!!
#L1C4Life
You are an idiot, you keep saying do your research, but you yourself dont know anything about contracts or when someone is a free agent. Maybe you should stop smoking, and go back to your so called life that you supposedly have.
#L1C4Life
Right, you got rid of 2 prospects that werent even in MLB top 50, which means your already horrendous farm system just got worse. With no hope in site. I guess you can still draft high when the mets continue to place 3rd or 4th in the division.
Vizionaire
lol, dip dip is at it again!
Senioreditor
If this is ultimately true the Mets got a deal!
9:30am: Martino now tweets that the Mariners are slated to send an enormous $60MM to the Mets in addition to taking on the contracts of Bruce and Swarzak. If that iteration of the trade ultimately does go through, it’d be a major wrinkle in favor of New York, who would effectively be paying just $26MM of the remaining money owed to Cano.
Danny B.
It true!!! Ken Rosenthal & Jon Heyman have treated the same thing within the last hour. This is a juggernaut of a trade for the Mets. Great job Brodie Van Wagenen.
#L1C4Life
This is not a juggernaut of a trade for BVW, stop smoking that pipe dude. I dont care if the Mariners paid all of the contract for Cano, you still have an aging 2nd baseman, think Brandon Phillips type player from now on, and a good closer. Wont matter in the end if they dont do more.
Danny B.
Stop trolling. Go watch soccer or something. This is a juggernaut of a trade. What are you smoking!?!?!? Getting Cano, even at his age, for $5 million per season and they get an Elite Closer that’s only 24 y/o with 5 years left of control for two prospects outside the Top 50, bro, this is the definition of a blockbuster trade for the Mets. Go troll somewhere else. You’re making others dumber.
#L1C4Life
OMG, idiot, why is it so difficult for you to understand that the only one looking like a dumbass is YOU. Diaz only has 4 years of control And no, its not, you are depleting an already terrible farm system for hopes and dreams. You fricking moron. Learn some stuff first, what are you, 12?
Danny B.
You’re the idiot. The only thing I was off on was the years left. It is 4 years, not 5. But trading two unproven prospects for an elite closer with “4 years” remaining is a no brainer.
24TheKid
Not sure where your getting the Cano at $5 million a year. Even if the M’s were sending an extra 60 million(which they’re not, the 60 million number is the total number of money expected including Bruce and Swarzak). But let’s say they do send an extra 60 mil, the Mets still have to pay him 12 mil a year, not 5.
YourDaddy
No he didn’t. He said the $60 million includes the money owed to Bruce and Swarzak.
Passan tweeted “The Mets-Mariners deal, as @joelsherman1 said, won’t be done today and is likely to be pushed to Monday, sources told Yahoo Sports. The question is how much money Seattle sends to covers Robinson Canó’s contract, and sources say it’s likely to be in the mid-$20 million range”.
Joel Sherman tweeted “let’s say between $37M owed Bruce/Swarzak plus let’s guess another $23M to get it down to half, $60M. That’s still at least twice what Cano would have gotten as fr agt this offseason. But this is the price plus Kelenic/Dunn to get access to Diaz, who has 4 yrs of control.
Jon Heyman said on MLB Now that the Mets would receive, and I quote, “something reasonable like $10 million”
No one has said that the Mets will get $60 million plus dump the salaries of Bruce and Swarzak. Well, except stupid people in Queens.
guille
Just read the 60M update. big if true
Danny B.
You’re a loser. Mets are going to be playoff contenders.
guille
what?
Danny B.
That’s weird, this reply was supposed to be attached to another comment. I apologize guille, this wasn’t for you.
billysbballz
Wow if this is true Seattle must think those prospects they are getting are future all stars!
That makes no sense!
billysbballz
But if true the deal now favors the Mets
SaltandPepper
If the Mets add a top 5 second baseman and closer and increase their spending capacity to sign some free agents on top of that, then this trade is no doubt worth it.
SadMsFan
Horrible trade for the Mariners, if we do make it. Getting a whole bunch of bums and worthless garbage for two great players, Cano and Diaz? What a horrible trade. People are saying the Mets will regret this trade…The Mariners will regret this trade. That McNeil guy sounds ok. We should be getting him and a lot more for Cano and Diaz. The Mets should also send their top 3 starters too along with the rest of the trash they’re sending us…Then the trade might be more even…Maybe. Mariners already lost this trade. Dipoto is really dumb…
wkkortas
Right after finishing this deal, Brodie Van Wagenen gave his PIN number to someone he just met on the 7 train.
bryan c
Okay, breaking down simple math, Cano owed $120M, less the $60M from Seattle, less the $34M owed to Bruce and Swarzak means the Cano portion of the trade is 2 players that have no place on the Mets for a very serviceable 2B at the cost of $26M over 5 years. If he is good for 2, it’s $13M a year. The Diaz portion of the deal involves one elite prospect, one potentially very good starter and a reliever with possible upside. This is a pretty decent deal on both sides at this moment. Not a fan of trading Kelenic but you have to give to get. I can live with it.
Now, stopping here would make affirm the trade as peculiar since Cano & Diaz alone don’t cure the needs. However, if they shock the world and buy a big bat and a couple more BP arms, the year gets mighty interesting. Too early to make a final call on this….
#L1C4Life
You know, its possible that this is all hearsay and no one really know who or what is in the deal until it finally happens. So I am going to wait until its formally announced before saying one GM or another won. We dont know all the specifics and I doubt Dipoto is that dumb to give them Cano and DIaz, take on extra money and give 60 million in cash.
Danny B.
I would normally agree with you but when it’s coming from Rosenthal, Heyman & Martino, some of the most respected baseball journalists, I believe it’s true.
#L1C4Life
I can count numerous times when all 3 of those guys have been dead wrong. So dont care until I see the final trade details.
@DaOldDerbyBastard
Can we get this over with before we add in more prospects?
The Human Toilet
Can’t laugh at the Mets on this one, but sure can laugh at Dipoto. Trading the best closer in baseball in 2018 with many years of control remaining for pretty much 3 mid level prospects.
baseballpun
If you read the comments on this article from oldest to newest, you’ll see the transformation in real time of the Mets prospects from future superstars to mid-level garbage.
#L1C4Life
It really is fascinating seeing things through those Mets Goggles. At first they are cant miss prospects, now they are nobodies who wouldnt be ready for another 3-5 years. LOL. Good luck in 3rd or 4th place again.
baseballpun
Such changes haven’t been seen since Justus Sheffield, future Hall of Famer, became Justus Sheffield, future washout, in just one day.
24TheKid
Lol there’s something going on New York.
bobtillman
I think in the latest incarnation of this trade, Bill DeBlassio and Anthony Weiner are headed to Seattle for Professor Faulken and David (from “War Games”) going to the Mets…….Ally Sheedy will be the PTNL……
Samuel
bob;
The Mets won this big time. See 2 of my posts above.
It sets them up for more moves.
Jeeze, it was a full salary dump for the Mariners, and a partial one for the Mets.
bobtillman
I tend to completely agree….
1. The only “guru” who fawns over the Mets prospect is Keith Law, and that’s only because his boyfriend, Richardi (from their days in Toronto) drafted them. To me, Dunn and Klentak are very “meh”.
2. Cano is an IMPACT positional player, who’ll affect the Met lineup the same way JD affected the Sox lineup. It goes beyond the simple numbers. And we haven’t seen a young reliever like Diaz since Kimbrell was doing his thing in Atlanta.
3. That’s TWO impact players for some money and some spare parts (not to mention the salary offsets). In a division that’s a lot weaker than supposed, it’s the proper move for the Mets. Yes, the Braves are coming, but the Phillies are confused and the Nats…..well, who knows what goes on down there.
4. The Mets have a window to get into the playoffs, a window that was never going to open when you’re depending on Jay Bruce (unless it’s a contract year).
It’s a win for the Mets, only TBD is how big of a win. And the bets are on it’s a big one. Not to deride the M’s; they’re on a separate path. But the Mets come out on top here.
slider32
Great trade, both teams needed a different direction, but we will have to wait at least 2 years to see how it pans out. We know about Cano’s Hall of Fame career and he should have at least 2 years of 3 WAR in him, Burce has 3WAR potential too, Swarzak was a top relief pitcher a few years ago, while Diaz fills the Mets need for a top end relief pitcher. The key to the trade will be two fold, one if the Mets make the playoffs this year, and two if Kelenic becomes a star player.
mlbfan
If Bruce stayed on the team, I’d be willing to bet that mets fans would be saying what a bum he was. 3 WAR – not even his agent believes that. Cano had 3 WAR last season, and has the ‘potential’ of 6 WAR. Kelenic isn’t even the top mets prospect. Diaz ‘could’ become the next Mariano Rivera too, LOL.
The Yankees traded Andrew Miller for Justus Sheffield, Clint Frazier, Feyereisen, and Heller. Diaz is younger and was the best reliever last year.
Cano is projected to have 3 WAR next year. Bruce 0.5 WAR and Swarzak 0.4 WAR.
ASapsFables
The Mets will make the deal official on Sunday to keep those two powerhouse NFL teams in New York off of the Monday sports headlines. This will hardly guarantee them from being raked over the coals like their two local competitors.
resident
I like insinuation that McNeal is 26 years old already while discussing a trade for Cano.
larryb
I just think the Mets are giving up way to much but heck I am no GM but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
RobBoSoxNMariners
Can anyone explain how this deal would be good for the Mariners in ANY way? It seems as though they are not saving money on the deal and getting mediocre prospects back with some upside. Am I wrong?
Danny B.
I wouldn’t say mediocre prospects but the M’s are undoubtedly losing out on this trade. The Mets are ridding themselves of players and contracts they didn’t want, getting $60 million, Cano for 5 yrs at $26 million and Edwin Diaz with 4 years of club control. Boy, Brodie Van Wagenen couldn’t have made a better trade to be his first trade.
Samuel
Danny;
Most write you off as hyperbole.
I think you’re spot on. See my posts above.
As for helping with Cano’s contract – I think that’ll be back loaded on the Mariners part. By then there is a good chance Dipoto is no longer there.
Been following MLB for well over 50 years. The Mets roster had the FO backed into a corner. This was a sensational move to begin to get them out. Brilliant trade. Master negotiator.
P.S. It’s comical how all the analytical people think they’re inventive and anti-establishment, not realizing that they ARE the establishment. Brodie showed them up, and they’re grasping at their own myths to try to discredit him.
Look forward to his next moves.
Danny B.
Samuel;
You are a breathe of fresh air. It’s nice knowing that there are others that see this deal for what it really is. It’s a stroke of brilliance by Brodie Van Wagenen. The man clearly has a vision, has very smart people around him and absolutely has the balls to be a GM for a large market team. Can’t wait to see what he does next.
Boogaloo
Cant wait till the actual details of the deal come out and you realize how much the mets are really paying Cano, lol
But judging by how biased you are, you’ll still say it was a good deal.
YourDaddy
He IS you. Same IP address means the same house. The only way you get compliments is to create a 2nd account? That is hilarious.
24TheKid
lol I was about to say how Danny and Samuel are the same person. Nobody on here formats their comments like that, and both are the same ridiculous take on the trade.
Samuel
Between Jerry Dipoto, A. J. Preller, and Matt Klentak, MLB can compete with MTV reality programs.
Nice sized budgets. Self-absorbed participants. Contradictory actions, leaving audiences to discuss what they’re “really” doing.
hoof hearted
I dont see this as a good deal for Sea:
1. without Mcneil in deal
2. untill Bruce and Swarzac are off the books $$
3. One of the prospect caan produce a 3+war ops+ iver 750 for afew years
Danny B.
Let’s get to 1000 comments. Almost 80% of the way there.
hoof hearted
without Mcneil in the deal; seattle saccrificed Diaz
YaGottaBelieve
Make it so, Jerry. Some exciting young talent there that will be fun to watch!
NickyNoodles
At first glance, I hated this deal. But the more I see it and read about it, it’s a solid deal for both teams and the Mets may even make out in the long run. Seattle is reportedly taking on all of the contract money for both Bruce and Swarzak AND $60M from Cano’s contract. Which means the Mets are paying Cano $27M for 5 years, even if he’s garbage the last 3 that’s still a solid. Plus, the focal piece is really Diaz who is an elite closer and under contract for 4 more years (compared to the SIX that Kimbrel is looking for). And, yes, I get that including Kelenic in the deal is very risky but, really, is he guaranteed to be a superstar? No. We don’t know that. So the Mets took the “win now” approach so they can compete. If Kelenic proves to be a bust the deal will fall in Seattle’s favor. If he’s a regular guy, or less, the Mets would have overwhelmingly won. the deal
hojostache
Great post. Level headed and realistic. Both teams could win this trade, but it’ll be at least 3 years until we’ll have any idea who “won” the trade.
YourDaddy
Mets are getting nowhere near $60 million. All indications are that the Mets will get $10-30 million.
YourDaddy
@Joelsherman1
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No one’s given me a clue how much #Mariners are eating of Cano. But they’re taking on $37M in Bruce/Swarzak. My bet (and it is only a hunch) they’ll eat another $23M.
glooney1
People also need to remember the Ms are taking on only 2 years of Bruce and ridding themselves of an additional 3 years of Cano’s contract. Plus, after this year they’ll also be out from under another $25+M owed to Felix. If they do falter, as expected, a good draft position could only add to rebuilding a broken farm system, along with an Oakland type payroll.
bravesfan
Just doesn’t seem smart for the Mets. Padres didn’t exactly benefit from the Melvin Upton trade…
metseventually 2
You say that like we can compare Upton to Cano…Upton was awful his two years in Atlanta while Cano has been consistently good for Seattle.
Boogaloo
Cano is 36 and now off his steroids for a year.
Good luck with that, lol.
Robbie never been that hard of a worker, without his injections and his age hes a pretty good bet to go in the tank
mlbfan
Cano is an 8 time all-star. He had 3 WAR in half a season, mostly after his suspension. He is projected at 3 WAR this season.
YourDaddy
So he is projected to be average for his $24 million in 2019. Then next year he will decline some. And the next year after that. And the next year after that. And the next year after that.
mlbfan
Lets say that Cano in 2020 has 2..5 WAR, 2021 has 2.0 WAR, etc. The total would be 10 WAR.
Let’s use 9 WAR.
Diaz is projected for 2 WAR for next year. Let’s use 2 WAR over the next 4 years., and a total salary of $30MM.
Total 17WAR, and $150MM. The cost over value is $14MM.
For the mets and the mariners, I am getting the projections from
fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=ALL&t…
Bruce is projected for 0.7 WAR and Swarzak 0.5 WAR. Bruce has another year, add another 0.2 WAR. The contracts total $37MM. The cost is $25MM over value.
YourDaddy
So Cano is expected to be below average for his $24 million per year for the next 5 seasons. Thank you.
mlbfan
First of all, my initial response was to metseventually. Your minor point is no point at all. It is overshadowed by the larger undervalue of the major leaguers in the trade.
Phanatic 2022
Are the prospects any good?
Danny B.
They’re solid prospects but giving up Edwin Diaz in the hope’s that they pan out is far too risky. If the Mariners traded Diaz by himself, they should have been able to more.
RobBoSoxNMariners
They have some upside. If McNeil were one of them I would say yes a prospect is good (hope he stays healthy). The prospects alone are not the problem here. Dipoto said he wants to rebuild the Mariners and replenish the farm system. Hmm how does taking on more salary (by paying 60 mil for Cano plus taking on Bruce’s and Kelenic’s salary) help with anything? Why not just keep the best closer in baseball, take what you can with Cano and ride it out at this point? Is this because Gordon is a plus defender at second? The guy had the lowest OBP on the team last season! He is a speedster!!!!! This isn’t really rebuilding anything except a legacy of doing things the wrong way in Seattle. 89 wins last year, a couple moves from your first playoff in almost 20 years and you rebuild poorly. Fire Dipoto please. PLEASE?!
YourDaddy
The Mariners will pay somewhere between $10 million of Cano’s contract (Heyman’s estimate) and $23 million (Joel Sherman’s estimate) of Cano’s contract. No one has said that they will pay $60 million of his deal PLUS take on Bruce and Swarzak.
Danny B.
Let me state for the record that this next proposal is what I would do if what I have been reading about the Ray’s seriously considering pursuing Syndergaard is true. This is the package the Mets should look for:
Rays get: Noah Syndergaard
Mets get: Tommy Pham, Wander Franco, Rolando Hernandez & Shane McClanahan
The Rays get their Co-Ace next to Blake Snell and the Mets get their CF and are able to replenish the farm a bit. Franco would be a must. Even if it was just Pham & Franco for Syndergaard, I would have to consider that if I’m the Mets. Mets fans would gladly trade MLB’s #62 & #89 prospects in Kelenic & Dunn if we were able to get MLB’s #14 prospect as an replacement.
hojostache
Solid post.Cincimariner. I would consider your estimates to be the best case scenario, but the logic is sound. I think Cano should offer at least 3 solid seasons….and at 3-5WAR per season, he likely will perform to the money he costs, even if years 4 and 5 are rough.
My biggest issue with the deal is Diaz instead of Haniger. Relievers are just too volatile to depend on for 4 or 5 years. Diaz has been a beast and there isn’t anything in his advanced metrics that worry me going forward, but the FA market is unusually full of good to great RP arms. I would have greatly preferred getting Haniger as an every day bat to be safe, and then sign a 2nd tier FA arm (not Miller…who scares me both AAV and also long-term health).
Lastly, giving up Kelenic could really suck in another 2-3 years because many scouts have said he could be a superstar and his floor is an avg MLB player. The dude is toolsy and has looked solid thus far with the Mets. I’m trying to convince myself that the mets are going to put forth a legitimate effort to compete over the next 2-3 years before deGrom et al. hit free agency. Unfortunately the Mets front office has earned ZERO respect and ZERO trust that they will do the right thing and invest the money. Post-Madoff they have run the team like a small market club and siphoned off profits from the SNY. Wright’s insurance money was pocketed and NOT reinvested like any halfway decent major market club would do. As long as Jeffy Wilpon/Coupon is pulling the strings, they are going to continue to be cheap and give away talent to save pennies. I hate this ownership, but as a 30+ yr mets fan…I’ve come to accept they are the worst ownership group in major sports.
YourDaddy
Cano will be 36 year old. His last full season was 3.4 WAR and that was in 2017. Can you name any 36 year old players that got better other than steroid users like Bonds? Do you really think Cano will be the first? And 2019 is just the first of 5 seasons of Cano.
Samuel
Not the point at all…..
The latest update says the Mariners will pay about $20mm towards Cano’s salary. That sounds about right. After getting out from under Bruce and Swarzak’s contracts, the Mets will be paying Cano an AAV of around $12mm. To put it in perspective, that’s about what Bruce was getting, but for less years.
MLB is not fantasy league or analytic theory. It’s a sport played on the field. The Mets have guys that can get on base, but no one in the middle of the order to get them in consistently. Cano does that. As bobtillman noted, look at the effect JD had when he was added to the middle of the lineup.
You really think Cano’s salary sinks the franchise? Let me put it this way……
If he gets helps to get that team to compete in 2019 ONLY, the Mets will realize enough additional revenue to pay his entire salary for the next 4 years. The Mets cannot sell tickets! What is left of their fanbase is not supporting a team going around in circles.
Not only are Cano and Diaz beginning to energize the dormant fanbase, but they’re bringing energy to the players, coaching staff, and literally everyone in the organization. Additionally, that will help in retaining Jacob deGrom.
$12mm a year to put the organization on a positive path is nothing.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Did you ever think 40 years ago we’d be saying 12 million a year is cheap?
Samuel
lol
That’s when we could sit in General Admission for $5-7, and MLB counted its yearly TV revenues in the 10’s of millions, and not the tens of billions.
Remember when Pete Rose was a free agent. Pete said he met with Ted Turner who offered Pete $100k a year and Pete said he thought his watch would explode
YourDaddy
OK Danny, let’s give you a little math help. 120 million – 20 million = 100 million. The contract length is 5 years. That is $20 million per season.
What sinks the Mets franchise is the Coupons.
Do PED players sell tickets when they are no longer on PED?
Samuel
1. I’m not Danny.
2. Wait till you mature beyond a 12 year-old level before trying simple math.
From the article:
“Sending Bruce and Swarzak to Seattle would effectively leave the Mets on the hook for $86MM of Cano’s salary, and it seems fair to expect that Seattle would add some additional cash to help further offset the financial commitment to Cano.”
So, Mariners are now paying $20-something towards the $86.
Now, 86 minus 20 is 66.
Am I losing you little boy?
Now find an adult to explain this to you because we’re entering the advanced world of division…..
66 is owed to Cano in 5 years.
Hold on tight Spanky, this will probably confuse you……
66 divided by 5 is 13.2.
Ask mommie if you can use her computer to check this out.
So……
The Mets are laying out an additional $13.2 mm a year for Cano as opposed to what they would if they kept Bruce and Swarzak.
And it appears the supposed $20 mm the Mariners will pay is a bit light.
So in the end, the Mets lay out an additional $12-something mm a year to get 2 impact players, and all they’re giving up is one 19 year-old rookie league prospect that is a long shot to be the impact player Diaz is today, along with a bunch of garbage that will be forgotten in Seattle within 2 years.
So take your coupons little boy, and shove ’em where the sun don’t shine.
P.S. Have a nice day.
a dawg
Dunn and Kelenic are not garbage they’re possibly both gonna be on top 100 prospects lists this year
Danny B.
They already are. Kelenic is #62 & Dunn is #89.
Danny B.
Nicely said Samuel!!! That’s why I’m going to start ignoring the haters and especially the morons that just don’t get it. True baseball fans like our selves actually pay attention to all aspects of the game besides the teams we cheer for. The one’s that troll our comments are not even worth 5 minutes of our time. Let’s just continue to evolve my brother while these moronic idiots continue sucking on their mommies nip nips. Haha!!!!!!!!
Boogaloo
Lol, so everyone that is not a met homer is a “hater”?
Bruce is 31 years old, 2 days ago you probably had him pegged as a bounce back candidate. Which makes sense since the guy had hit every year of his career except his injury filled year last year.
normal years from Bruce and Cano the next two years are not all that different production wise.
So to get what might be a slight edge for 2 years you have a guy on the books for 3 extra years when he will probably be well below average.
You are so quick to now bash the prospects without ever mentioning how volatile relievers are from one year to the next.
Guys come out of no where every year and put up unbelievable numbers, same guys go in the tank the next year, then bounce back.
You also forget that those prospects can help during the season in a trade to improve your team while keeping a good player from your competition.
The Mets were already in an awful position to compete with the better teams in terms of making trades mid season.
That just got a whole lot worse.
This was a bad move by a cheap organization to sell tickets to their naive fan base.
In the offseason of 2020 the Mets will owe Cano 3 years/ and between 50-70 million.
Who you gonna trade him to then to get away from that deal like they are Bruce’s now?
Its an unsustainable way to run a tean, and fans like you are the reason they do it.
jbigz12
Saying jay Bruce has hit every year of his career except last year is just factually inaccurate. Are you just giving him mulligans for his dog sht 2014 and 2015 seasons? Bruce could very easily lay up another goose egg. Everyone is projecting cano to suck… Well we haven’t seen it yet. I think we will before the end of the contract but with the amount of cash the Mets are picking up, I think there’s a good chance that cano performs to the part of his contract the Mets are paying. The only thing I’d be worried about is if he can’t play in year 5 they don’t keep him around like they did with Reyes. You have to know when to cut bait. We have seen jay bruce suck. We’ve seen it more than once.
mikeyank55
I agree Samuel. Cano had the same profound influence with the Mariners as he invigorated a dormant fan base and the entire franchise stepped it up.
He single handedly changed the face of the franchise—by bringing over his NY Yankee winning ways.
Oh, that’s right. They NEVER made the playoffs during his time there.
And those were his BEST YEARS. He’s already in the downside, and the only difference is that the Mariners GM knows when to optimize a trade.
Watch as his contributions SLIDE, his interest WANE, and then remember this post.
Remember this is the Mets way. Always too little and too late!
restingmitchface
3-5 WAR isn’t solid. It’s quite a leap ahead of being league average.
MarlinsFanBase
Where is the source for the M’s paying $60 million of Cano’s contract? I can’t find it.
YourDaddy
They won’t. On MLB Now Jon Heyman said they will pay “something reasonable like $10 million” and NY honk Joel Sherman tweeted,
@Joelsherman1
No one’s given me a clue how much #Mariners are eating of Cano. But they’re taking on $37M in Bruce/Swarzak. My bet (and it is only a hunch) they’ll eat another $23M.
YourDaddy
If the Mariners pay $23 million of Cano’s contract as Sherman thinks, then the Mariners will have shed $97 million of his contract while taking on just $37 million in Bruce and Swarzak.
jbigz12
So they shed half of his contract. However you want to frame it. There’s a chance Bruce or swarzak could bounce back and they can save a little more cash but that’s not money that the mariners want to be paying those guys.
mikeyank55
And Bruce will come up BIG in Seattle getting a chance of show off his offensive skills as a DH.
MarlinsFanBase
I’d like to congratulate all of the Mets prospects that are being traded away in this deal. As you can see above, this fan base isn’t as loyal to any player as they should be – as you can see how you all went from future studs to scrubs in less than one day.
Also, considering the long history of Mets prospect busts that far exceeds their successes, they are doing you all a favor. After all, would any of you want to be the next Mets prospect fails?
Mr. Slave's Gerbil
A Marlins fan talking about loyalty lololololololo
baseballpun
Whatever Marlins fans are left are clearly loyal to a fault.
mikeyank55
When criticizing Marlins fans, here’s your wake up call:
Would you prefer to stand by a team through thick and thin, and countless owners that have raped and pillaged, or support one team who’s owners during the same time have done the same thing?
Of, and during the time in question the Marlins have won 2 World Championships and Mets fans cling to their “almosts”.
MarlinsFanBase
So, apparently Brodie Van Wagenen is a “beast of a General Manager”…just like Steve Phillips was…just like Jim Duquette was…just like Omar Minaya was…just like John Ricco was…just like Sandy Alderson was…
…oh wait!
metfan4ever
Just like Jeter is
mikeyank55
At least Jeter had guts to start over. Just like Theo did in Chicago. The Mets have ownership that could CARE LESS about winning. What’s most important to them is to keep a certain appearance so that fans buy tickets, period.
And it would only be a person of such LOW IQ like metsfan4ever who would challenge Derek Jeter.
I mean like who was the last Mets HOF? Was it Tom Seaver? Didn’t they trade him anyway?
Oh quiet down 4ever. It was Piazza—right. How many Mets championships did he win?
ZERO. His WS claim to fame was when Clemens threw his broken bat at him. Thanks for reminding me of the highlight of the Mets WS Show. Or was it Carlos Beltran watching Strike three?
Pipe down little boy. Mommy is warming your milk
24TheKid
What do you mean only 20 million? Danny B keeps telling people they’re morons and the Mets will only be paying Cano 5 million a year. And he’s been right about everything the last 2 days.
Danny B.
Well, for your information, it was reported by multiple MLB journalists earlier today that the Mariners were sending $60 million to the Mets. If that’s changed today to the mid 20’s, the Mets should seriously consider subtracting Kelenic from the deal. I would add David Peterson & maybe a Jordan Humphreys in his place.
Cat Mando
About 9-10 hours ago Andy Martino tweeted ( twitter.com/martinonyc/status/1068522208471838721 ) it was $60m. MLBTR posted it but quickly removed it. Danny B. latched on and never let go even after MLBTR deleted the $60M tweet.
Danny B.
Even though they had deleted that tweet, the other journalists kept that story going for hours.
Cat Mando
Show the tweets from the others you claim when you said “I would normally agree with you but when it’s coming from Rosenthal, Heyman & Martino”.
24TheKid
When you add Bruce, Swarzak and the Cano money it equals about 60 million, which is what is being reported now.
Danny B.
Andy Martino
✔@martinonyc
The boatload of cash (roughly $60 mil, and separately unloading Bruce and Swarzak) is a dramatic update to this deal. Baseball folks who hated it last night are like, oh ok, that’s a lot of cash
Danny B.
Andy Martino
✔@martinonyc
Roughly $60 mil headed Mets way in current incarnation of deal. Players, again, are Cano/Diaz for Bruce, Bautista, Swarzak, Dunn. Kelenic.
443
9:59 AM – Nov 30, 2018
Cat Mando
I already provided that one Danny. Where is “Rosenthal, Heyman” and “other journalists kept that story going for hours.”
EddieO
You leave out within an hour Andy tweeted
“Important update: Someone involved in the deal cautioned that the money part is still being worked out. Emphasis on the word approximately. $60 mil could be a little high in that it might include some of the offset money from Bruce/swarzak. Money is the main reason not done yet”
Selective reading….
Danny B.
google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&…
Cat Mando
Still looking for Rosenthal & Heyman as you initially claimed.
Danny B.
Can’t find the others. They were probably deleted to protect their credibility & source.
Cat Mando
There were no others. I was online when MLBTR linked the tweet and when you made the assertion. I checked R&H…they did not retweet, nor did any of the other NY media. There is one tweet from a former NY writer that Dicomo jabbed at twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/10685551051281448…
BTW…it’s lame to up-vote yourself.
Cat Mando
EddieO…I saw that but since Danny never mentioned it and focused solely on $60M in cash and what a coup it was, I intentionally did not mention it.
Bruin1012
60 million is way too much to be coming back 20 million sounds about right in this deal. I was surprised when they said M’s were taking on Bruce and Swarzek and sending 60 million. This sounds much better for the M’s not saying it is win for either side just think if the M’s sent 60 million it would be a clear loss for M’s. This sounds just about right both sides.
Michael Handsman
Does anyone else see Brodie Van Wagon Mets GM as being inappropriate as GM. He is dealing based on relationships with his former/Current clients. Cano wants out of so he can get FT 2b gig. Wagon head is also desperately trying to shed Syndergaard , which would make Degroms value/future cost to Mets skyrocket….not good for Mets!
restingmitchface
Trading Thor would not increase DeGrom’s open market value like that.
Boogaloo
You’re right, on the open market.
If would however increase their need to sign him to an extension.
restingmitchface
DeGrom is only gonna sign an extension if the Mets pony up big-time. And in that case, it won’t matter if Thor is still on the team or not.
Samuel
Yes. That’s probably it.
Eeee gads!
The sky us falling!!
jbigz12
T
a dawg
Man that’s a lot to give up for the Mets
Danny B.
It’s crazy. I was just reading an article that said that it looks like the Mariners will be sending between $25-$30 million to help offset Cano’s contract on top of taking Bruce’s & Swarzak’s contracts. It may not seem like a big difference to most but knowing the Mets history with Spending money or lack thereof, that $5 million difference is huge. If it were $25 million, I would argue taking Kelenic out of the deal and replacing him with 2 other prospects from their Top 30 like David Peterson & Jordan Humphreys. If it’s $30 million, then the Mariners cover a little more than half of Cano’s remaining contract & then I guess Kelenic can stay but I would then remove Justin Dunn & replace him with just Peterson. With the Mariners saving almost half the money on Cano’s contract and requesting that Kelenic be a must add to send Diaz over in the deal when NO OTHER organizations wouldn’t even take Cano except for maybe the Yankees, I believe the Mets do not have to include two MLB Top 100 prospects. Kelenic is clearly the player the Mariners wanted and the Mets should demand that they take Dunn out UNLESS Seattle is willing to add say another $10 million to the deal. Maybe that’s just me but I think it makes sense. Which ever way this goes, I’m curious to see what’s Brodie Van Wagenen’s next move. The Winter Meetings are going to be a must watch this year for sure.
YourDaddy
The TWEET you are quoting said mid-20s. 3 people have already said its $23-$23.5 million. That is mid-20s.
You were absolutely certain a day ago that it was $60 million. As usual, you are way off base.
Danny B.
YourDaddy, here is my proof just to shut you up.
Andy Martino
✔@martinonyc
The boatload of cash (roughly $60 mil, and separately unloading Bruce and Swarzak) is a dramatic update to this deal. Baseball folks who hated it last night are like, oh ok, that’s a lot of cash
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10:08 AM – Nov 30, 2018
YourDaddy
Cano is owed $120 million. $60 million is half his contract.
Bruin1012
If Kelenic is pulled the deal will die end of story.
WsuMojo
Take out Kelenic and the Ms remove Díaz from the deal and replace him with Bobby Ayala.
Danny B.
If the Mariners don’t add at least another $40 million on top of taking back Bruce’s & Swarzak’s contract, Kelenic should be taken out. If the Mariners say no and/or they would remove Diaz, I would then back out of the deal and say good luck finding another team even willing to take Cano on their team and then convincing Cano to waive his no-trade clause.
WsuMojo
If the mariners pay $60 mil plus Bruce’s $28m & Swarzak $8m that means Mets pay Cano $5.8m a year for each of his last 5 years. That is a steal even in his older years. He could very well be an all star for 2 more years. So Diaz and his 4 years of control should be added without receiving an elite prospect talent?
Danny B.
I never said that WsuMojo. I agree, if the Mariners did pay that much money then yes, Kelenic & Dunn should absolutely be in the deal. But I said, I feel like $40 million on top of the 2 unwanted contracts seemed more fair. The Mariners would be paying about $77 million of the $120 million. So that would equate to a $8,600,000 AAV for Cano’s 5 seasons. In that case as well, I would be okay with including Kelenic but not Dunn. Between the Mariners saving over $40 million and getting one of MLB’s Top 100 prospects, that should be more than enough. Then again, that’s just my opinion.
WsuMojo
I respect that. As a Mariner fan, it’s been tough to hear what a haul Diaz should get alone and for some reason have him added to Cano to save money… disagree with M management to do that.
Danny B.
I do feel bad for you Mariners fans because it seems as if Jerry Dipoto is extremely trigger happy in regards to trades and is very impulsive. I agree, Edwin Diaz by himself would easily get the M’s about 3-4 Top Prospects, unfortunately they want to get rid of Cano and feel that the only way to do so is to attach Diaz to him. I truly mean this when I say this but I truly hope that this deal works out for both organizations.
WsuMojo
I like that, a fair trade that both sides are happy with. Hopefully that happens. Cheers to that!
sampsonite168
I knew once the trade wasn’t completed today that the Mariners were squeezing Brodie on the cash. Now that this deal is out in the open, the Mets HAVE to get this done and the Mariners know it.
Danny B.
Not necessarily. Jarred Kelenic has gotten soo much hype over the past 24 hours, his value has probably skyrocketed. I would either demand more money from Seattle or call Miami & offer Kelenic, Dunn & a couple of other prospects for JT Realmuto. The Mariners would be crying if the Mets backed out because they would be stuck with Cano & his $120 million contract.
Cat Mando
Danny B……”Jarred Kelenic has gotten soo much hype over the past 24 hours, his value has probably skyrocketed.” Do you really believe that is how a player’s value goes up? Hype? Really?
Do GM’s sit around reading MLBTR and other sites and then say to their people “Wow, Kelenic sure is getting a lot of press and hype. He must be really good and better than we thought Lets go get him.”
Is that more of what, as you put it…”just clarifies my knowledge on baseball.”?
Danny B.
Bro, it’s a fact. Before these Cano talks when’s the last time you or anyone for that matter heard the name Jarred Kelenic??? Exactly, never. All these sports programs & baseball journalists saying “oh, the Mets should not include Kelenic in this deal because he is a stud”. You don’t think that kind of press spreads like wildfire??? It sure does. We live in a world where word of mouth & good press is viewed almost as valuable as statistical data. Btw, there must be a reason why Seattle viewed Kelenic more highly than Andres Gimenez or Peter Alonso……both of them are higher on MLB’s Top 100 prospect list. Plus, you’re telling me if the Mets dangled Kelenic with say Alonso, Dunn & another prospect or two that the Marlins would say no??? Highly doubt that. Just like there’s a reason why Seattle wanted Kelenic so badly, there’s a reason why other organizations refuse to trade Top Prospects for Realmuto and his 2 years of control. Teams value prospects differently today then they did just 10 years ago.
Cat Mando
Danny B………
1) I’m not your bro.
2) Front offices don’t rely on hype to evaluate talent, they are not the general public.
3) “Plus, you’re telling me if the Mets dangled Kelenic with say Alonso, Dunn & another prospect or two that the Marlins would say no???” I never addressed that nor am I. Don’t attempt to put words in my mouth as you tend to do.
4) LMAO. Have a nice night, thanks for the laughs.
Opps I forgot #5…It’s still lame to up-vote yourself.
Danny B.
Just for the simple fact that you have a problem with someone calling you “bro” already says a lot about your character or lack thereof. You couldn’t be my bro even if you were up for adoption. If you can’t have adult conversations with respectful adults like myself then you should stay off threads like these. Move on “bro”. No one cares about you or your lack of general baseball knowledge. Have a good life, seriously, because people like you clearly need attention & love. See ya “bro”!!!
Bruin1012
Dude Danny B do really think baseball execs who live and breathe baseball don’t know about all these prospects. Saying that all the trade talk has out Kelenic in the spot light with the average fan is probably right but to the professional baseball world has done absolutely nothing for his value. Every team knows and values all these prospects differently. His value is absolutely no different then last week. The only way his value changes is when he plays and that’s it bud. Do really think there is a team out there that doesn’t know who Kelenic is cmon man seriously be better then that.
Danny B.
No but when it comes to PR, that’s “Public Relations” for the uneducated, it makes a big difference for certain organizations, especially when one, like Seattle, is doing a tear down. With all this positive PR regarding Kelenic, it allows their fanbase to accept a rebuild just a little bit more.
bencole
This is a great question. The analytics guys do, the other guys don’t.
WsuMojo
Wish I could agree with you but Dipoto always gets seventy cents on the dollar with his trades. If anything, Mets will come out ahead after this standoff.
Danny B.
I hope you’re right. The Mets need to remember, the Mariners are the desperate ones here, not them.
WsuMojo
I hope I’m wrong! I don’t see the Mariners making the playoffs in my lifetime, and I’m in my 30s! But that’s what happens when your GMs have been Bavasi, Z and Dipoto – GMs that lose every trade that they have ever made.
Ann Porkins
Isn’t Cano making $120M on the remainder of his deal? Then Seattle would be paying closer to 20-25% of the contract, not half, right?
metfan4ever
They are taking back 2 contracts too.
Danny B.
Almost at 900 comments people!!! Let’s get to 1000. Woohoo!!!!!!!!
baseballpun
Woooo!!!!
Danny B.
Nice!!!! We’re over the 900 mark. Less than a hundred to go people!!! Let’s get it done!!!
24TheKid
Yep just need a few more
unloadingmouth
Created an account to get us to 1000 boys! Cano is a bum, Go M’s!
Danny B.
I find it funny that once a player like Cano is heading out of town, fans immediately call them bums. Cano averaged over 21 HR’s, over 82 RBI’s per season in his 5 season in Seattle with a .296 average & .826 OPS. Let’s not forget that he also missed half of 2018, so his numbers would have been even better than that. If that’s a bum than I view offensive players differently then they do in Seattle.
24TheKid
Mariner fans have been calling him a bum since it took him a month to hit his first home run, or the next year when he tried walking home, or later that year when he was batting .240 in July, oh and since he’s was suspended.
24TheKid
And don’t forget being called out by Mariano Rivera.
Danny B.
Who??? Lmao!!!
24TheKid
Robinson Cano.
Boogaloo
He would of had better numbers had he not missed half a season yet you don’t think he had good numbers because he was using PEDS, you know, the reason he missed 80 games, lol.
That’s some met fan logic right there
mikeyank55
And that’s with Nelson Cruz protecting Robby. Can you imagine what Cano will produce with Cespedes protecting him?
Of wait, Cespedes won’t be back until the second half? Let’s go mets fans and project what could have been so that you get set up for the big crash:
Cespedes is late and ineffective.
Cano doesn’t produce because he has no protection.
macrohard69
So theoretically….
Mets get: Diaz, Cano and 23.5 mil, while shedding an additional 36.5 mil from Bruce and Swarzak
Mariners get: Bruce, Swarzak, Kelenic, Dunn, Bautista, while taking on all of Bruce’s and Swarzak’s contract
If that’s right, as a Met fan I hope this deal falls through. Bruce will hit 40 homers for the Mariners since he will be healthy and Swarzak will have an era under 3.00 while Cano gets injured and Diaz fails to “adjust to a new league”.
Danny B.
Well first, Bruce has NEVER hit 40 HR’s in a season before. Second, have you ever seen Safeco Field??? It’s one of the toughest parks to hit HR’s in. Third, sure Swarzak will have an ERA under 3 but when I look at Edwin Diaz with an ERA under 2 with 40 plus Saves, I won’t care. Fourth, Diaz having trouble adjusting to the NL??? Seriously??? Diaz may flirt with a sub 1 era and lastly, Cano getting injured. Hmmm, Cano has missed a total of 38 games in his entire career. I think injuries is the least of NY’s concerns.
Boogaloo
You do realize he broke his wrist last year and would of missed about 60 games to injury if he dudnt get suspended right?
Also, one of the great attributes cited by many players of PEDS are their ability for you to recover faster and keep you on the field more.
Who knows how long he was taking them, but he won’t be now and that might be quite a shock to his 36 year old body.
macrohard69
I was being a little sarcastic but do you even watch the Mets??? To say “I think injuries is the least of NY’s concerns” has to be the most idiotic statement ever posted when over the last several years injuries have completely derailed multiple seasons!
radioBraves
How does this trade make any since whatsoever? Giving up one low level prospect maybe, but?
lowtalker1
Mets new gm wants to compete but he will fail lol
That’s what it about
Boogaloo
You have to realize its not a baseball trade.
Its mets ownership trying to sell tickets.
Just their latest scam and it’s working quite well.
Met fans are not a sharp bunch.
wright1970
Boogaloo, not all of us Met fans are dumb!! I think this trade is ridiculous and pathetic especially giving away Kelenic for nothing. As long as the Wilpons own the Mets, we wont win a WS title. Book it
lowtalker1
Lets get it over with
I want the Mets to regret it and this von whatever his name fail
He should rebuild
PinstripedPride
I am so ready for this deal to be finalized so that we can concentrate on the next rumor.
Danny B.
Agreed!!!
JorgeG
Kelenic needs to stay.
$60 million coming back, OK, it’s worth the risk to give him up.
$20 million…no f’ing way. Kelenic needs to be no where near the deal for anything less than a ton of extra cash coming back.
P.S. It’s a shame the N.Y.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mets need to worry about the amount of cash involved in any trade.
jbigz12
If the Mets got 60 million and traded away another 37 million from Bruce and swarzak there’d literally be no risk in this deal for them. Cano for 5 seasons at a net of 23 million is not risky in the slightest and on top of that you’d get one of the best closers in baseball. If that were the case you’d be coughing up more than Kelenic and Dunn.
hoof hearted
cano $120
-$37 for bruce and swarzac
-$25 from M’s to mets
________________
= $58 Mets pay cano OR $11.5M a year
(adjust based on what the M’s accually send to the Mets.)
*based on #s reported in article above
mikeyank55
Hey Amat. What’s your point? First your math is way off. Then, do you realize that you are justifying throwing good money after bad money?
hoof hearted
Mets shed $37M and get $25(+/-) from M’s. =$63M
so that is alittle more than half of Cano contract.
Boogaloo
Botting line.
The Mets will be paying Cano 3 years / 60 million in 21, 22 and 23.
That’s brutal.
They get to hopefully improve the next two years by covering up the bruce/Swarzak signings only to be in a much worse situation in 2 years.
And lose two top prospects.
All for an elite reliever, better hope he doesn’t pull a ken giles or get hurt.
Why not just sign one of the dozen relievers out there, give up no prospects and not pay Cano 20 mil a year when hes about useless?
johnnynoze
lol I see people making a lot of assumptions about Cano’s performance as a 37-40 y.o. Nice claim chowder to review in 2-5 years! First five years of his contract have been outstanding performance. Please come back to us at the end and tell us everything you imagined about his second half came true.
Boogaloo
We are making assumptions about his age 38-40 seasons based on the thousands of atheletes before him who have all rapidly declined at or before that age.
What are you basing your assumptions on?
First 5 years of his contract he 31-35 years old and apparently on steroids.
I’d like your logic as to why being off steroids and 38- 40 years old wouldn’t greatly hinder his performance.
mikeyank55
Hey Noze-canos performance has been average the past 5 years.
You will be able to relate easily to the last 5 years ahead as his production will NOZEDIVE.
mikeyank55
Hey Boog-
Not sure if you are aware that Mutt and Jeff get some salary relief during the end of the contract.
In 2021 Mo Vaughn’s contract is over.
In 2023 Bobby Bo’s contract is over.
What Wagon Wheel has yet to reveal is that Jeff has a master plan to renegotiate Canos contract with Jay Z.
They want to convert it to half the current amount, and add a $3 million stipend on the backend until 2064.
Boogaloo
You mean promise money at a later date so the boys can invest it today and turn a personal profit?
Hmmm, that does sound familiar.
Hope no retirees lose their homes in the process this time.
The Wilpons are a disgrace.
mikeyank55
So are the mets fans that are foolishly loyal.
nvmets
“The Mets will be paying Cano 3 years / 60 million in 21, 22 and 23.”
But could the Mets use the $20-25M from the Mariners for the back end of this deal to make it a bit more palatable? Because the Bruce/Swarzak money is already covering most of Cano’s first two years. Then you’re only talking 3 years, $35-40M for Cano over the final 3.
Either way, Fangraphs is estimating Cano’s value at $81M over the next 5 years and about $31M in the final 3, so the Mets would actually be coming out ahead overall by getting the cash from the Mariners and unloading Bruce/Swarzak.
I understand where the criticisms are coming from, but think they’re overly harsh. This deal absolutely makes sense if they want to make a serious run in the next couple of years. Cano and Diaz are both clearly better than anyone you’re getting at those respective positions in free agency.
wright1970
So if the Mets are in win now mode, why are they shopping Noah? makes no sense at all
Danny B.
To get an elite bat in their lineup. Syndergaard can be replaced with a quality FA SP.
wright1970
u think anybody is gonna trade an elite bat for Noah?? position players are more valuable than pitchers. who are the Mets gonna sign to equal Noah in the rotation? Mets arent getting Corbin and thats the only FA pitcher that equals Noah. Otherwise you are weakening the starting rotation big time
nvmets
I think it absolutely does make sense if you can somehow get a big bat out of it. But remains to be seen how serious this really is.
Boogaloo
I keep seeing these fangraphs projections and value.
Problem is you are using them wrong.
Whatever they have called for is what they think Canos value is.
Are you under the impression the 3,000 at bats and 800 games over the next 5 years are going to be Cano or no one?
It’s not Plus $81 million.
That’s what they think he will do.
An average player could be worth 45 million and cost a tenth of what Cano will.
Any way Met fans want to now work it to make themselves feel better, here is the bottom line.
They will have gotten 1 year of Bruce and Swarzak.
5 years of Cano age 36-40.
Edwin Diaz.
And given up Kelenic, Dunn and Bautista.
And spent $90 million.
Spin that anyway you wish, its about as bad as a team can operate.
JKB 2
Sure Boogaloo but its the Mets. That is what they do.
nvmets
“An average player could be worth 45 million and cost a tenth of what Cano will.”
Sure, they could. But would they come close to Cano’s performance in the next couple of years, because he’s projected to be the 2nd best offensive player at the position. And that’s exactly what you want and need if you’re looking to compete now. Especially for a team that currently has ZERO bats ranked anywhere near the top of their positions.
Look, obviously the deal won’t be a good one over those last few years but it just isn’t much different from any other long term contract you’d hand out to a free agent. You’re doing it to win in the short term. This average player you’re referring to would not help the Mets do that.
Of course we could make the case they should’ve been going out and signing Harper and Machado instead, but god knows that wasn’t going to happen under this regime.
mikeyank55
The only serious run the Mets will make in the next few years is next season when the teams’ chefs prepare a meal and everyone gets diarrhea.
Old man Cano with ZERO protection in the order will be a rolling back page story in the post and daily news all season.
By June he will get caught loafing in the field and Mickey will be confronted with reprimanding him or losing his job.
Wagon Wheel will side with Cano and they will bring “TC” back into the dugout. He will bend over to Mutt’s request for a new bench coach—ATF Bobby V.
phantomofdb
Well, I was going to read through the comments on this one. But there are about 940 of them… lol
I’ll just chip in that I don’t see any reason whatsoever for the Mets to be doing this trade. When McNeil was part of it it looked like one of the worst trades I’d ever seen.
Bertin Lefkovic
Once this deal is completed, I wonder if the Mets would trade Cano, Cespedes, and Lagares to the Yankees for Ellsbury, Romine, and Stanton. I know that the Mets refuse to trade with the Yankees, but I think that this deal would be good for both teams.
Lagares can platoon with Gardner in LF and also be another option in addition to Gardner in CF. Cano can play 2B for the Yankees with Torres playing SS until Didi returns and then become part of the overall infield mix, splitting time between 1B, 2B, and 3B, while Andujar splits time between 1B and 3B and Torres splits time between 2B and SS.
The baseball season is very long and there is more than enough playing time for everyone, including Cespedes, who can DH once he returns and play both corner OF positions when needed and when someone else needs to be used as the DH.
ChiSoxCity
Another useless trade for Seattle. How do you give up Cano AND an elite closer and not get NY’s top prospect in return? There must be some unwritten law that says NY based clubs have this courtesy, since it happens ALL the time. Meanwhile, Seattle gets a bunch of Mets, uh, mid-level prospects…? Terrible. Mariners fans should be livid.
ChiSoxCity
Check that, refering to McNeil, who obviously is no longer a prospect.
wright1970
Kelenic is really our best prospect but he was just drafted this year. He is better than Gimenez and the updated top 100 prospect list would reflect that after next year!! I would include Gimenez way before Kelenic in this deal but neither should need to be traded if the idiot owners would take on more of Canos salary
Danny B.
You’re wrong about Gimenez wright1970. Gimenez is more talented then Kelenic, not by much, but he still is. Just the fact that he’s a good defensive INF is more valuable than a good defensive OF. I know that Kelenic was just drafted this year but Gimenez is continuously challenged against older, more polished players and always performs.
wright1970
Danny B. i predict that Kelenic will pass Gimenez on the top 100 list next year…lets revisit this post next year and see what happens. Two very different players but we need more Kelenic type players in the Mets lineup. Rosario isnt going anywhere and we have Mauricio and Newton as up and coming shortstops. Gimenez is way more expendable
Danny B.
We will revisit this sometime during the season but bottomline here is, the Mets have themselves some pretty good prospects for us to be going back & forth about them. We are passionate Mets fans. Wish there were more of us and not so many of these debbie downers.
wright1970
im not very optimistic either as a Mets fan as long as the Wilpons own this team, unfortunately….total incompetence
Boogaloo
So Canos age, steroid use and ridiculous contract being taken back mean nothing to you?
Just wah wah wah NY wah wah wah.
Lol
beyou02215
Not a Mets or a Mariners fan but I hate this deal for the NYM.
bush1
Yep, they’d be so much better off just signing Kimbrel and staying clear of Cano.
Danny B.
Oh yeah, let’s sign a closer in his 30’s already to a 6 year deal after he was bombed in the postseason and saw his overall analytical numbers fall throughout the season. I rather take my chances with a still productive Cano & a beast of a closer in Diaz, who’s not even in his prime yet.
Boogaloo
You are the biggest homer Ive ever seen, lol.
Danny B.
You do realize what homer means right??? You’re reply makes ZERO sense.
Boogaloo
Homer means not objective and delusional.
If Cano was traded to say, the Spankees, you would be going on and on about his steroid use and age.
Now you try to ignore it and downplay the prospects given away for cash the wilpons will pocket.
Lol
bush1
I think he’s just an absolute moron more than a homer. But yeah he’s got homer written all over him too.
bush1
Cano sucks balls, is old as dirt, completely overpaid for 5 years, and is just coming off a PED suspension. Yeah he’s a hot commodity! What a joke you are.
dshires4
Cano sucks? He put up a 3+ WAR in half a season. He’s 36 years old, which is hardly “old as dirt.” He isn’t going to be worth his $24M in the last years of the deal, but he doesn’t suck.
bush1
36 years old is very old with PED’s in the game anymore. Which is why he probably resorted to taking stuff. There’s literally no marker did Cano. He’ll only play in NY and the Yanks want no part of him. So yes, considering his age, contract, and baggage he sucks balls.
dshires4
He’s still productive at 36. I don’t read into the baggage. He wasn’t suspended for a steroid. He’s still a statistically relevant player. He doesn’t suck. He isn’t worth the package being dealt, sure, but he doesn’t suck.
Dutch Vander Linde
These fans are treating Kelenic like he’s the next Mike Trout. He’s a PROSPECT with a POTENTIAL to be good. smh
wright1970
he is our best prospect!! much smarter to trade a top prospect for Realmuto than for a 36 y/o has been….same old stupid Mets….no surprise here
Danny B.
Kelenic is not our best prospect wright1970. You being a Mets fan should know this already. Our Top 4 prospects, in order, are:
1. Andres Gimenez
2. Peter Alonso
3. Jarred Kelenic
4. Justin Dunn
The Mets fans that are OVER VALUING prospects need to chill out. How many promising prospects have the Mets had in the last 15 years alone that turned out to be bums??? It’s countless.
wright1970
the reason he isnt yet is because he was just drafted this year!! Gimenez isnt needed on the Mets with Rosario as shortstop. Scouts rave about Kelenic way more than Gimenez
Danny B.
Trust me, I know just how talented Kelenic is. I was watching the June draft and I was literally screaming at the screen hoping that the Mets would select this kid but Gimenez is not expendable either. Yes, we have Rosario but many scouts have said that Gimenez will probably have to move to 2B anyway. Gimenez hit .281 between A-AA with 38 SB’s and played at AA at 19 y/o when the average age at AA is 22. That’s pretty impressive.
wright1970
Gimenez is much more expendable than Kelenic just because we have Rosario in the big leagues and 2 other ss prospects coming up. A smart GM deals from a position of strength….
Danny B.
I get that but it’s a lot easier to draft a good OF than an INF.
wright1970
we will have to agree to disagree on that lol
Danny B.
Haha, okay, we will.
bush1
Literally everyone on the face of the Earth agrees to disagree with Danny B. His opinions are so idiotic and Pro Met driven that they literally have zero value.
Danny B.
Exactly!!! Don’t get me wrong, the kid is crazy talented but at 19 y/o and never playing a game above A-ball, people do need to relax. However, prospects with his pedigree shouldn’t just be thrown into trades just for the sake of getting a deal done. I truly believe that the Mariners should have to pay for more than half of Cano’s remaining salary in order for the Mets to trade this kid away. Kelenic is no Trout but he’s very talented.
wright1970
bottom line is that Seattle came to the Mets about unloading Cano and BVW had Dipoto at a disadvantage here. How he managed to get Dunn and Kelenic is unbelieveable! Diaz might be fine in NY but there is no guarantee with closers just as there is no guarantee with prospects
Danny B.
Well, you just answered your own question. The way Seattle gets Kelenic & Dunn is simply because of Diaz. It’s RARE when anyone can trade for an elite closer like Diaz, with 4 years of control left and not sell the farm. For crying out loud, Dunn is almost the same age as Diaz, yet Dunn hasn’t pitched above AA yet while Diaz this year was already an allstar, lead all of MLB in Saves & WHIP and even received Cy Young votes. The dude is a monster. The only issue I have is the money involved. The money being exchanged has to make more sense for the Mets than the Mariners.
wright1970
no guarantees that Diaz can handle NY after a few rough outings…relievers are a year to year gamble in my books. im not concerned about giving up Dunn but we are short on young long term position players. Scouts are still divided on if Alonso is gonna be or not. He hits long homers but thats it, average defense at 1b
Danny B.
I believe that Diaz will handle NY with ease but your comment on relievers being gambles year in & year out is spot on. Totally agree with that.
wright1970
no closer, young or old, is worth your best hitting and pitching prospects, imo
of9376
So was Billy Beane…how did that work out ?
Danny B.
We’re almost at 1000 comments!!! Unbelievable!!! Let’s keep it going!!!
MetsYankeesRedSox
It’s been 18 hours since the latest update….are they any closer? Are they embracing yet complete with sloppy kisses?
mlbfan
It’s not going to be completed until Monday.
greatd
Could Diaz be the next Kimbrel or Jansen?
Danny B.
There’s a strong possibility that Diaz could be better than Kimbrel & Jansen. It’s not far fetched, especially when you see his numbers from this past year.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Ten more posts!!!!
Danny B.
Almost there!!!
Danny B.
We’re going to do it!!!
restingmitchface
Either y’all are one another’s doppelgänger or this is one person using multiple accounts. Which…no offense…but that’s so weird…
Danny B.
Yes!!! We did it!!!!!
Tom Price
Typical Mets to give up #1’s versus absorbing $ for an aged 2nd baseman and a closer.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Your “we’re going to do it” might be #1000
JKB 2
Which was his plan all along to get the 1000. You see getting 1000 comments his useless comments takes away from the point.
There are not 1000 topic related comments here. Nor is mine topic related.
Thekidnapper
Here’s to you Mr. Robinson
RedRooster
What’s the hold-up?
theoepsteinhof
Ok I’m done! This deal has been close now for over 3 days! Let’s move on.
stan lee the manly
To me, this is similar to the Giants last year getting McCutchen and Longoria and then claiming that’s enough to fix their dreadful team enough to compete. If this is all the Mets do, there’s going to be some unhappy Mets fans. Again.
IjustloveBaseball
I’m not going to get into whether this trade is bad or good for the Mets. However, NY has/had way more in terms of talent than SF did. The Giants didn’t have anywhere near the rotation the Mets have/had and that was even before the resurgence of Zack Wheeler.
Offensively the Mets while surely not elite, still had more punch than SF. To put it in perspective, the Giants three best offensive players were nowhere near the Mets top three hitters.
stan lee the manly
The Mets offense needs more than Cano to be even an average offense.
Dan Hunter
exactly!
Mets also need a catcher who hits well.
TradeAcuna
Serious question. When was the last time a commissioner vetod a trade?
MetsYankeesRedSox
Rollie Fingers trade back in 70s?
WestCoastSoxFan
Chris Paul to the Lakers?
anthony c
They have been close to a deal for the past week let is know when its done
rmullig2
The Yankees have Brian Cashman.
The Mets have the Bizarro Brian Cashman – Brodie Van Wagenen.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Like the Seinfeld reference.
kla0812
This trade is close to happening ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
Josh Kaufman
If anyone mentions PED’s for Cano, they need to learn a little about biology. You can’t give a guy a PED, which isn’t always steroids, it could be Adderall or a substance that is in your food in other countries. Not to mention if you like a team, chances are multiple members of that team were using a PED at some point.
Aside from that, the Mets get a closer, but what scares me is if they cry poor for the Cano contract.
Cano does fit perfectly in the Mets infield where he can be used at 1B or 3B, hits well in a large ballpark, around .300 but with little power. Diaz is the closer the Mets need.
But we still need a CF, a 5th starter, another IF bench guy, more bullpen help, and a real middle of the lineup power hitter, and a guy who can lead off.
I kind of with the Mets could have added Dee Gordon in with this deal. He is getting older, but he is a CF with speed and can be a quality lead off guy.
If this is it for the Mets in the off-season, we are going to have a long season of beat-downs from the Braves which legitimately scare me as World Series contenders for the next 4-6 years or so with their core and smart vet pickups.
Danny B.
PED’s don’t bother me anymore. I’ve accepted a long time ago that PED’s are just a part of the game, always will be and we will never know all the players that have taken them or will take them.
bush1
It seems like a lot of people are talking about Diaz being so cheap like he’ll be making league minimum all 4 years. He’s going to get expensive fast in arbitration, and a conservative estimate has him at 25 to 30 million total over the course of the next 4 years. Sure, that’s a bargain, but not on top of all the other salary and prospects the Mets are including. Diaz will be getting paid a lot soon, and that shouldn’t be forgotten on top of everything else. The Mets shouldn’t have to include prospects and the salary relief should be enough. It’s not like Seattle had other alternatives either, and clearly they wanted Cano out.
Danny B.
Let’s get crazy here. Let’s say Edwin Diaz continues to do his thing and maxes out at say $40 million over the 4 years. That’s still a lot less money then what Craig Kimbrel is looking for.
bush1
Obviously, but you’re missing my point. I’m saying that on top of everything else it just becomes too excessive from the Mets end. I thought I made that pretty clear, but I guess not…
bush1
Taking on a major portion of Cano’s inflated contract and giving up top prospects is so so much more than the cost of Kimbrel. I’m not sure why you can’t understand that. Yes Diaz is better than Kimbrel but this trade costs the Mets so much more than just signing Kimbrel in money long term and prospects it’s not even close.
Birch
No, it does not. The Mets care about 2-3 years of Cano and that’s it. They’re in win-now mode with the rotation they’ve got and this move only helps build weak spots for the Mets. You can sit here and bash Cano like he slept with your wife because to this point he has continued excellent plate production with above average defense. The Mets literally have not had that since Reyes’ first Mets stint a decade back.
bernbabybern
You are over valuing the prospects. Top Mets prospect in trade is 19 years old and has 1 season in rookie ball, ranked in the 50’s or 60’s of the top 100 by mlb.
They are getting Cano for about 5/60 and trading prospects for Diaz.
If Diaz were traded alone he would get a better prospect package.
Fair Deal.
bush1
Cano for 5/60 is horrible. Literally Seattle had to trade him to the Mets. They didn’t want him, and the only other place he’d go, the Yanks didn’t want him. The Mets had all the leverage and got hosed.
J glub
Cano was a 3 WAR player in HALF a season. He obviously still has it. I say he gives them a solid two years here and Mets eat the rest of the money like they are doing right now with the top $90m on their payroll
Danny B.
With this deal at the finish line, I can’t wait for the final details to be revealed.
YourDaddy
So you can find out how wrong you have been since the start?
national pastime
Maybe I’m wrong but I believe this will go down as one of the Mets worse trades ever. Hopefully not but I’m not a fan of this deal.
Danny B.
I disagree. I believe it will go down as one of the best.
bush1
I agree. I hate it for the Mets. Just idiotic considering they had all the leverage and Seattle had no other trade partners.
JKB 2
Bingo! Where else was Seattle going to come close to finding a sucker like BVW
mmarinersfan
Has any MLBTR post gotten 1000 comments? The most I can remember is I think the Stanton trade.
YourDaddy
About 700 is the most ever. Ask Xabial. He would know.
jd396
Is there even *one* thing about this trade that isn’t weird?
MarinerMiner
I think lost in this is that if the trade happens Diaz would be moving from the juggernaut offenses of the AL to the weak (comparably speaking) offenses of the NL with no DH. Mets fans, Diaz has a chance to be real good. His stuff when on is filthy. I have seen him pitch a handful of times in Seattle and am going to miss him. Where the Mariners are headed it doesn’t make much sense to keep a very good closer. Wish Diaz and Cano the best of luck.
bush1
Cano for 5/60 is a complete over pay. I’m not a Met for Mariner fan and just calling it straight. Good luck with Cano and all that cash you bailed Seattle with…
muskie73
Four years ago Nelson Cruz was only 18 months younger than Robinson Cano’s current age when the Mariners gave Cruz a four-year, $57 million contract. Like Cano, Cruz had a prior banned-substance suspension but came with less defensive value and a less-established record of production.
The Mariners don’t regret the contract with Cruz, who posted 14.7 fWAR, valued at $126.3 million, in four seasons with Seattle.
muskie73
Four years ago Nelson Cruz was only 16 (sixteen) months younger than Robinson Cano’s current age …
bush1
It’s whatever to me at this point. I think the deal is just dumb for the Mets but I’m not losing sleep over it. Clearly lots of Mets fans think it’s a genius move. I’ll leave it alone and just watch as this plays out over the years.
wright1970
sad but true!!
YourDaddy
5/100 is what the Mets are paying for Cano.
bush1
Obviously he’s great, but he’s just a closer and those guys can only have so much impact, especially if his team isn’t leading late in the game. No one is arguing about his excellence, but for F sake he’s being valued like Babe Ruth in his prime to get all that cap, and prospect return, and rid of an old crusty Cano.
bradthebluefish
Totally agree. 70 innings a year of pure excellence is nice, but it is a luxury. Not a must. And who knows how long until a closer loses his pitch or needs TJ surgery.
Birch
Aroldis Chapman netted Gleyber Torres and Adam Warren + 2 lotto tickets. Aroldis Chapman pitched the Cubs to the first World Series win in over a century. I HARDLY think that the Cubs fans really care about giving up Torres in exchange for a WS win.
“He’s just a closer.”
Michael Handsman
According to Baseball Reference, the 7 players most similar to Cano are M Tejada, Jeff Kent Scott Rolen, Joe Torre, Ryne Sandberg Aramirez Ramirez and Michael Young. 6/7 of these guys regressed and were league average or worse from age 36 and beyond. The only one who had 3 good seasons at that age was Jeff Kent. This deal will come down to the Mets spending about 60+ million on Cano to acquire this young high end reliever diaz and hoping to get a small bump from Cano for a year or two and crossing fingers that those prospects dont pan out. DONE
bush1
Sounds about right
carlos15
Nailed it.
dray16
Who cares what 6 or 7 other players did after 36, all 7 are not Robinson Cano. It means nothing
PinstripedPride
Sounds like these teams might finally have an agreement. C’mon Cano, waive that clause and let’s get this done and over with.
EndinStealth
I wish you guys would start a new comment section when you update the story. The new comments relative to the update get buried at the bottom. At least that’s what happens on the app.
southi
Totally agree they need to start a new post because there are too many comments in this thread.
Falsehope
I gotta say that I didn’t think this would be the trade that would generate this much activity on a single thread.
stan lee the manly
Nothing else is happening, baseball fans are bored. Lol. I think last years disappointing offseason is spilling over into this one, we need like two weeks straight of mind blowing moves to get people jacked up again.
JKB 2
Its really not a single thread as they keep posting this “thread” over and over with every “update”
baseballpun
#1066
Thronson5
This is insane how long this is carrying on lol.
Not sure what to think of this trade. The more this carries on the more confused I am on how to feel about it. Curious..how do Mets fans feel and how do Mariners fans feel about this trade?
MetsYankeesRedSox
If you click/tap NEWEST, it puts newest posts at the top
OneBadMataAfa
M’s fan here. Personally I love it. I’m tired of watching Cano lollygag it to 1B and his attempts to make every play look carefree is not the example our young guys need. His range is increasingly limited. Besides, in a rebuild there’s no point keeping him. Prospects aren’t guarantees yada yada…we need many more Kelenics and Dunns in our system. I will miss Eddie, but again…why keep a closer when you’re entering a rebuild
MetsYankeesRedSox
Nvm…I guess it doesnt
bobtillman
I think it started as Marv Thornberry for Jim Bouton……..
sampsonite168
@JonHeyman
Mariners send $20M to mets to complete deal
OOF. Brodie got worked over good.
costergaard2
I agree. A PED user into his 40s and a closer and $20mm for 3 prospects and 2 shorter contracts ? Why not just trade Bruce to PHI for Santana and buy Robertson, Britton, or Miller and keep your kids ?
PHI would have done that, Hoskins to 1B, Bruce to LF, and then you’d have a real 1B for two years, not a retooled OF…
JKB 2
Costergaard that is an excellent point!
Perksy
But Santana doesn’t play 2b
bjhaas1977
Kelenic is overpaying. Otherwise I’d be okay with it.
wright1970
Losing Kelenic makes it a horrible trade!! plus Seattle sucked the Mets into inheriting the remaining 5 years/100 million of Cano contract. Mets are the laughing stock of baseball once again
Birch
I agree with some things you’ve posted earlier in this thread, but that logic is massively flawed. You subtract out the contracts AND roster spots that Bruce and Swarzak take up. The Mets are taking on about ~$60M of Cano and getting an actual bullpen piece. I don’t understand why you consistently undervalue the 2 roster spots that Bruce and Swarzak were taking away from potentially useful players in those positions. If you watched nearly all of the games Bruce and/or Swarzak were in last season, you’d know they literally probably cost the Mets 6-10 wins all by themselves.
muskie73
I’m sorry you watched nearly all of the Mets games this year but Jay Bruce and Anthony Swarzak are only one year removed from seasons of 2.6 fWAR and 2.2 fWAR, respectively. Bruce and Swarzak were MLB Trade Rumors’ 14th- and 36th-ranked free agents last offseason.
Bruce and Swarzak are bounceback candidates who are unlikely to be worse than they were in the season you diligently observed. With comebacks Bruce and Swarzak transform from sunken costs to trade candidates (well, every Mariner is a trade candidate).
J glub
Bruce is slow, doesn’t have a position on the Mets and dealt w plantar fasciitis most of the season. Good riddance.
Birch
Great strategy. Give 2 players who were horrible last season an opportunity on a team looking to make a run because they’re “bounce back” candidates. Bruce has negative value in the field and AT BEST hits .250 with 30 HR. Thats a massive assumption he just randomly regains stride from 2 years ago. Also, remind us where he fits into the lineup again please.
J glub
Also doesn’t get on base
muskie73
The assumption is that Jay Bruce and Anthony Swarzak are sunken costs. Bruce is owed $29 million over two years (with his signing bonus awarded $1.5 million in 2019 and $1.5 million in 2020). Swarzak is owed $8 million in the final year of his contract.
That combined $37 million matches up with the $38.1 million in value Bruce and Swarzak posted in 2017 with a combined fWAR of 4.8 … in a single year. Ugly seasons may await Bruce and Swarzak but one or both may provide some value … or not.
ReverieDays
This is what happens when you make an Agent a General Manager.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
In a case like this where Cano has waived his NTC, is that for this trade only (the Mets “inherit”the NTC), or does it negate the clause completely?
Sky14
The Mets inherit the contract which would include the NTC.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
Thank you kindly.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Its about time. Mariners are still closer to the playoffs than the Mets.
WsuMojo
First Dipoto trade of 100 that I actually like.
Before anyone rips me for the Segura/Haniger for Walker/Marte trade, remember Walker was still considered by many as a potential Cy Younger future winner and Marte already had good success at 22 in the big leagues. Haniger was still an old AAA rookie and Segura was considered by some as a one time wonder.
And the O’Neill/Marco trade was hated by 99.9% of Seattle. But none of his other trades even made sense
OneBadMataAfa
Go Cougs!
WsuMojo
Go Cougs!
24TheKid
Go Cougs!
24TheKid
And now I realize I’m the only one without a Coug username.
RedRooster
Trading a recently drafted top 10 pick for a negative trade value guy. Yawn.
brandons-3
Wish the app could sort comments. On posts like these you see the days-old comments first.
jk2me1310
it took me 13 minutes of scrolling to see this comment
oebrr00
Let’s not over complicate this. The Mets are obviously going to the WS as a result.
YourDaddy
ROTFLMFAO. Thanks. After my day today with one friend in the ICU and another recovering from a heart attack I needed a great laugh.
bkbkbk
Get new friends
YourDaddy
SOOO close to $60 million Danny.
24TheKid
Lol!
restingmitchface
DiPoto done GOOD on this one.
Danny B.
No he didn’t.
Cat Mando
Better that BVW.
What happened to “If the Mariners don’t add at least another $40 million on top of taking back Bruce’s & Swarzak’s contract, Kelenic should be taken out. If the Mariners say no and/or they would remove Diaz, I would then back out of the deal and say good luck finding another team even willing to take Cano on their team.
It’s so confusing Danny, You use a phrase like ” finding another team even willing to take Cano on their team.” and the turn around and argue the Mets “get an elite bat in their lineup.” Which is it?
oldhaus
Bad contract for the team, but nice job by his agent. Mariners have 99 problems, but Cano ain’t one of them now.
metfan4ever
We are still Lefty heavy Hitter wise, But I good 1est step. We still have 3 things no other team in the NL east have DeGrom/Thor/Wheeler. I also love Lugo as a starter too but they don’t see it that way. He was Lights out in the world baseball classic & should have gotten # 5 starter. Next is a Catcher. Don’t want to give up a pick for LAD’s guy. Also Let’s Look @ Billy Hamilton. Love Lagares but @ $9mil. Hamilton’s scores more & is a CF & less $..
callingoutdummies247
We?
Doug
Juan Samuel, Roberto Alomar, Carlos Baerga….Robinson Cano. Flushing, where great 2B’s go to fade away.
callingoutdummies247
When was Samuel a great second baseman? 1) he only played 86 games for them and He had his best season after he left the Mets….
Cat Mando
He had his 4 best seasons (84-87)with the Phillies before being traded to the Mets.
callingoutdummies247
BVW, I’m calling you out
Perksy
Typical Mets. What an awful deal.
bush1
The funny thing is a lot of their fans think it’s a genius move. I’m mad for the Mets and I don’t even like them as a team.
Danny B.
Now that we know all the details, I’ll give this trade a solid B rating. LGM!!! Let’s see what’s next…….
bush1
Lol, wow what a disaster for the Mets. Apparently Diaz has the trade value of Babe Ruth in his prime. Wow just wow…
J glub
Actually Mets gave up less in this deal than teams gave up for Chapman, Miller or Hand. Wake up.
bush1
You’re conveniently leaving out the massive money the Mets are taking on. I’m wide awake, but you must be hibernating.
J glub
Massive? With the offset money is $65/5 and the Mets get both Cano and Diaz. (Add in arb money over last 3 years of Diaz) Nothing massive about that. Diaz alone would cost $65m on open market
bush1
The Mets will have to pay Diaz soon through arbitration too. It’s not like his contract is free. Signing a lesser closer and just paying them and keeping your prospects is so much smarter. I’m not going to argue it with you anymore, clearly you love this deal. And I hate it so much for the Mets we just disagree by a mile. No sense in beating a dead horse.
baseballpun
Players > money
Sky14
Well Babe Ruth in his prime was traded for $25,000 so I’d say Diaz does in fact have more value than that.
Cat Mando
He was sold for $100,000 in 1919 not $25,000. In today’s money it would be $1,461,763.01..
Sky14
Yeah… I wouldn’t trade Díaz for $1,461,764.01 either..
Cat Mando
If 1919’s market was like today’s market, Ruth wouldn’t have gone so cheaply either.
J glub
Mets traded less in this deal than was traded for Chapman, Hand, Miller. They got one of the best closers in baseball and one of the best MI iron men of all time. It’s risky sure but in no way is this a terrible deal.
Mets blew 15 late inning leads last season. With a great pen (add two more pieces) and another big move or two (which you know is coming) the Mets will have as good of a chance as anyone to make the playoffs and win w this rotation. BVW was brought in to make an impact and that’s exactly what he’s trying to do.
Mets had a promising second half with the 12 most runs in baseball. Mets were spending like $90m of dead money on Cespedes, Bruce, Frazier, Swarzac, Lagares, Vargas and Wright. With offset money Canos 5/65 doesn’t even move the needle. Oh and Cano was a 3 WAR player in half a season last year. LGM
SadlyStillAMarinerFan
They traded “less” because they’re bailing the Mariners out of the worst contract in baseball lol, the Mets are taking on the last 5 years 100mil of his contract, Kelenic is gonna be a stud, Dunn can be really good, and Bautista is similar to Diaz in ways he could possibly make up for a lot of losing Diaz on his own.
Mariners won this by far lol
J glub
No, they are taking on 5/65 with the offset money. This contract will not effect any other moves they make. Ever.
thetruth 2
Treinen is better and a closer isn’t worth taking a terrible contract and depleting s weak farm further.
Markdashark
This is wrong..
Markdashark
Bruce was on the books for two more seasons and Swarzak for just one more season. After those contracts are off the books, anything the Mets pay cano is not offset by anything.
In other words. The Mets are pretty much paying 0 extra for cano in 2019, they are paying about 7 million for cano in 2020. And then they will be paying 20 million for cano, offset by nothing for the final 3 years
stymeedone
What should you do then? The farm is weak, but the rotation is potentially the strongest in baseball. Trading the rotation away wont sell tickets for years, and this is a business. If you dont attract fans, you wont attract advertisers. They went this route, taking on the contract, because it is what they could do. At this point, the prospects they gave up are nothing more than maybes. Cano and Diaz are sure things.
southbeachbully
You’re post was articulate and succinct. However, you’ve literally floored me by saying “one of the best MI iron men of all time”. Dude…..he’s pitched 191 IP in three years. In 188 IP that’s hardly impressive. That’s barely over 1 inning per appearance. In comparison, google Rich Gossage, Rollie Fingers, Bruce Sutter or Dan Quisenberry. Shoot, even Mariano averagred more IP per G, Besides, don’t you have to do what you do for a lot more than 3 years to be called “one of the best of all-time”?
J glub
MI = middle infield. I was talking about Cano. He played almost every game of his career. I do not think he’s done, far from it.
hittingnull
Good job saving 64M dollars and getting two good prospects out of it, Dipoto.
J glub
He got two good prospects because he traded the best closer in baseball out of it. As we’ve seen from other top closer deals, this is a light return prospect wise. A number of scouts are meh on Dunn, Kelenic give it 3-5 years and we’ll see. If Cano rakes for another 2 years this is a great trade for the Mets
hittingnull
That’s a lot of money for a closer.
J glub
It is but it’s market value and they get the player, that matters. Wait until you see what Kimbrel gets paid.
southbeachbully
Not really. Cano still has value. So the Mets take on $120 mil, send $37 mil, and receive $20 mil in cash, which reduces Cano’s contract down to $63 mil over 5 years or about $13 mil per. That’s not bad. We’re all expecting some epic regression on Cano but he missed 2 months of play yet ended Sept/Oct as one of the best hitters in baseball. So, more than likely, Cano will probably be worth at least $10-12 mil per for at least a couple of years. Then you ask, “what would it cost to get a closer like Diaz on the open market”? Probably 4/$50-4/$80 mil? The only unknown to gauge who won this trade is, how good will Diaz be in the next 4 seasons of relative cost-control, how long can Cano sustain above-average play and what will become of Kelenic and Dunn, two borderline top 100-125 prospects who were 1st rnd picks in 2016, one who’s still in his teens?
Overall, the M’s removed a lot of money of their books and might still be able to flip Bruce for something or some salary relief. I would say they won because they’ve executed their plan of saving money from long-term commitments.
For Mets I think it’s a matter of “what is the long-term plan”. They can’t make this trade and then go cheap on everything else. This has got to be part of more enhancements because otherwise, why take on a veteran player with 5 more years left and why trade two top org prospects for a relief pitcher. If deGrom can’t win because of no support then what good will Diaz do unless the offense is improved?
MrStealYoBase
Pretty sure Kelenic was the first rounder this year. Not a fan of either team but from what I’ve read and seen he looks like he has serious potential and the Mariners could have gotten a steal. As much as people complain about Dipoto, he really has put the Ms in position to be good down the road. I don’t honk he should trade Segura though unless they get a windfall in return.
Markdashark
Why is everyone saying 13 million per year? That’s not how it works.. like at all!!! lol. The Mets will be paying cano 100 million over 5 years. They would have been paying Bruce and Swarzak 20 million in 2019, and then just Bruce 13 million in 2020. After that in 2021 2022 and 2023 they are still paying cano 20 million per season and Bruce and Swarzak would be off the books completely.
So it’s not 13 million per year.
It’s 0,7,20,20,20
Yes that averages 13 lol, but in the final 3 years cano is going to count 20 against the luxury tax number and nothing will be offsetting it
Markdashark
Basically what Seattle did was prevented themselves from having to pay cano 20 million dollars per season between 2021 and 2023. When he is what like 38,39, and 40?
KnicksFanCavsFan
Well then……i feel silly.
thetruth 2
Treinen is better and a closer isn’t worth taking a terrible contract and depleting s weak farm further.
bush1
They bailed out Seattle for the majority of one of worst contracts in baseball. I hope it works out great for the Mets. But closers shouldn’t be valued this much regardless of how good Diaz is.
J glub
But they are
bush1
Just to the Mets. No one else in their right mind touches Cano with all that money owed.
J glub
$65/5 or $13m per. Not bad Brody! Cano will rake the Mets to the playoffs in 19.
Markdashark
That’s actually not how it works money wise.
The mariners are paying 20 million of canos 120 million. So the Mets owe cano 100 million over the next 5 seasons = aav of 20 million.
The 20 million will be offset in 2019 by jay Bruce’s 13 million and swarzaks 7 million.
In 2020 the 20 million will only be offset by Bruce’s 13 million, as Swarzak will be a free agent.
And 2021, 2022, and 2023 the Mets will be eating 20 million a year for Cano.
That will be in addition to whatever Diaz arbitration numbers are at that time.
So the worst case scenario for the Mets is probably if Diaz is really good for 2019, 2020, and 2021 and then he starts to stink.
of9376
Until he gets popped for PED’s again and can’t play postseason ball.
thetruth 2
Wrongly so. Look at the Torres/Chapman trade.
bush1
The Cubs won the Championship that year and had the best record in baseball when the deal was done. I hated it at that time too. It was a big cost but without a ton of salary involved. That’s the issue with this. You can’t relieve their salary and give up prospects.
Priggs89
Didn’t your team give up one of the top prospects in baseball for a rental closer a couple years ago? Did you hate that deal too, or is it ok when Theo does it?
bush1
Yeah and I hated that deal too, but they won it all. The money is the issue here and yes Theo makes mistakes I always admit that.
Birch
So in hindsight, you’d still go back and nix the trade and potentially never have won a WS because you don’t think closers should be valued as highly as they are? And you’re discrediting GMs in the MLB…
bush1
What? Not at all. I was asked previously if I was just being a Theo homer and I simply said I disagree with some of his moves. Obviously he’s not perfect, but I love a lot of his moves too, but that wasn’t what I was being accused of. And clearly I’d still do the Gleyber for Chapman deal, since they won it all. But at the time it was difficult because I knew Gleyber would be great, but they won it all so it doesn’t matter. Try to follow a little closer and not jump to silly conclusions.
Boogaloo
So sick of that asinine comparison.
The Cubs were already a great team with 2 months to go till the playoffs, which they were a lock to get into.
They had a deep minor league system with plenty of young middle infielders.
Did they overpay for Chapman? Yes, and it was a smart move given their situation.
The Mets are the THIRD best team in their division at best!
And that’s assuming Harper leaves Washington and before Philly makes any big signings, and you know they will.
Your farm system was garbage before and now pretty much will be ranked the worst in baseball.
And you took back a guy who is 36, coming off a PED suspension for 5 years/100$ mil.
Other than that, same thing.
Diaz will be great closing out games in August with the mets 10 back of Philly and Atlanta
bush1
Exactly!
Birch
Take off your blue goggles for a moment and actually read. Without Chapman’s arm in the playoffs, there’s a much larger chance that the Cubs don’t win the WS. Gleyber Torres had absolutely ZERO effect on the team at that point and his value helped them get the job done. This genius is stating that closers are overvalued. If a player can get you over the hump to win it all, nobody cares what the give is. You wouldn’t trade that WS for Torres, period. If you would, you’re the only fan in the world who doesn’t want to win.
Boogaloo
You try and listen moron.
The Cubs were the best team in the league and guaranteed a playoff spot.
The mets are no where close.
What hump does diaz get then over? Past the Nats? Lol
muskie73
In only 80 games this season Robinson Cano posted a higher fWAR than eight of the 16 players who earned more than his $24 million salary in 2018.
There are many worse contracts.
J glub
Lol love this
Boogaloo
So being better than Ellsbury, Pujols and miggy cabrera is what makes met fans happy? Lol
davidcoonce74
Over the five years of his contract, including the half-season he missed with the PED suspension, Cano has been a top-20 offensive player in baseball, with around 23.5 WAR as a Mariner. He’s still a good hitter, even if he has to move to first base. He’s not in the same vein as Pujols, who has been a negative-value player for the last few years, or injury guys like Ellsbury and Cabrera, who is also still a good hitter when healthy.
williemaysfield
Your missing the point The Mets will be paying 20m a year for Cano’s 39,40,41 seasons. How many players have productive seasons at that age.?
This is a very good trade for the M’s. A couple of good prospects and 64m in salary relief. This is exactly what a retooling team should be doing.
Elfod325
I’ve posted this in this thread like twice now but I’ll say it once more. I don’t hate this trade as long as the Mets follow it up with more moves. Next step they need to sign Wilson Ramos. Then they need to get at least two top tier bp arms. They probably also need to get a defensive minded CF to cover until cespedes comes back—would have liked mallex smith back in this deal but since it didn’t happen maybe billy Hamilton? As for the only other question mark; I can live with McNeil at 3B and a platoon of Alonso/Frazier at 1b…
bush1
I hated that deal at the time and still don’t like it but they won it all that year. But that deal was so much more of a simpler deal without all this crazy salary involved coming back to the Mets. Theo has done many things I disagree with too and I am the first to admit that.
AUTiger7222
As a Braves fan, I absolutely love that the Mets made this move!! I think it makes them a worse team now and in the future despite now having the best closer in baseball.
5TUNT1N
I’m sure it may have been mentioned above but does anyone else draw a line between the alleged comments made towards Seattle ethnic players.. and now Diaz and cano are both leaving, any chance they could have requested this internally?
Boogaloo
Hmmm, not sure. Did Paxton and Zunino also request out?
Oh, that doesn’t for your pathetic narrative, nevermind.
Lol
KB R.
……. and neither team makes the playoffs in 2019.
Dave W
The Mariners are not even going to try to make the playoffs in 2919. I hope they suck to get a good draft pick
greatd
So who won this in everyone’s mind?
Boogaloo
Clearly Seattle.
Watching met fans backpedaling should tell you that.
If the trade was Cano/ Diaz for Bruce and swarzak seattle would of done well.
The fact the mets GM gave up Kelinic and Dunn plus taking Cano is mind boggling.
Not like they are a team thst can afford to give up any prospects.
Their system is so thin, and the major league roster is not even playoff caliber even after the trade.
Clearly they are risking a whole lot to win this year and maybe next.
Usually teams that do that are one or two pieces away, the mets aren’t even close.
94' World Champs!
It feels like one of those moves to put fans in the seats and sell jerseys vs building a serious long term contender.
94' World Champs!
No doubt the M’s, they saved $64 mil they won’t be paying top $$ for Cano’s declining years and the received 2 rebound/short term assets in Bruce and Swarzak who could be traded for more prospects later on.
Horace
I agree with trader Jerry getting some inventory to flip if Swarz and Bruce rebound, but tying your young closer in a cost-cutting move to this deal is a disservice to the fans.
Probably a very good financial move for John Stanton, so he is the big winner here, then the Mets who made themselves better.
Horace
Mets made themselves better, so Mets.
A risk worth taking for the Mets since they need to try and contend now, to sell seats and attract eyeballs.
I get the M’s unloading Cano, they aren’t going to contend and that contract could get ugly in a hurry. Problem I have is it is a cost cutting, get less for your stud closer type move.
Still need to see what both teams do the rest of the offseason. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the M’s go full tear down though, that means Haniger and Segura also get traded.
Bone19
As a Mariners fan I am loving JD and this rebuild. We’ve needed it for too long. Robbie was a great player for us but this was a smart move for the team.
Horace
Bone, how will you feel if the M’s aren’t in contention for the next 3 years?
Too many fans are willing to accept a lousy product in hopes that “someday” the team will rise from the ashes.
bush1
Worst place in sports is a medical .500 team, and unless the Mets continue to make like 4 more huge pickups that’s exactly where they’ll be, with one of the worst farm systems in baseball. I’d much rather my team had a plan to build the system up and do it right instead of patching it together like this Cano salary pickup deal. Having a good farm system and then moving forward is the way to go.
Dutch Vander Linde
I want the Mets to win NOW!! not in 3 or 4 years, so this is a good trade. Period.
Horace
All fans should feel the way you do, unless the deal looks like a total mistake i.e. Ed Yarnall for Mike Lowell. This deal doesn’t.
davidcoonce74
1200 comments later – man, imagine the comment thread if Trout gets traded, or when Harper/Machado sign.
Anyway, this is probably a good deal for both teams. Seattle gets out of Cano’s contract and gets a couple prospects, plus, who knows, maybe Bruce rebounds a bit and Swarzak has some kind of value as a swingman. The Mets get Cano, who is still a very good offensive player, and Diaz, who was probably the best closer in baseball last year, although he wasn’t great in 2017 and has had some arm issues, plus closers are fungible. But for a few years, yeah – the Mets could conceivably compete with this group, and the M’s can start to rebuild their farm system, which has been pretty barren recently.
RedRooster
Giving up two top 100 prospects (one of them a recently drafted first rounder) in order to add a negative trade value guy is a good deal for the Mets? Dkbt!
Wilmer the Thrillmer
I think this trade is a huge win for Seattle. They get 3 legit prospects, plus 2 potentially useful players with only 1 and 2 years left on their bad contracts and all Seattle has to pay to move Cano’s contract is $20mil? Yes the Mets get 2 very good players but Cano is 36 years old. As a win now move I can see the value, but in my opinion if Cano is mediocre this could be a terrible trade for the Mets.
rct 2
I think you’re overvaluing a little here. Bautista is not a ‘legit prospect’ and won’t be of much value unless he can learn some control.
Bruce and Swarzak are little more than contract dumps. I wouldn’t be too optimistic about either of them providing any value.
The Mets may have overpaid, but it’s not as bad as most seem to think.
Wilmer the Thrillmer
Thinking about it for a few minutes after my last post I think BVW’s thinking was he could go out and pay Kimbrel huge money for his declining years or pay the same money for 4-5 years of control for both Diaz and Cano combined. He did have to give up 2 very good prospects, but in that sense maybe not such a bad deal for the Mets. I still think Seattle made out like bandits though.
wusherm
Yeah that makes a lot of sense, I also believe the Mets were ok parting with those prospects because they believe they can restock their farm by trading a pitcher or two then possibly sign a replacement or trade for Kluber. If they trade an OF (Nimmo or Conforto) for Kluber it could open the door for maybe a Harper signing. Probably wishful thinking with Harper though.
Birch
That’s a good way to look at it, which most people haven’t. Not only that, but Mets fans and others are seriously overvaluing Dunn and Bautista. Dunn’s ceiling is mid-rotation and Bautista probably won’t be more than a AAAA arm at best. Kelenic has the potential to become an extremely good hitter in the bigs, but he’s 19 and doesn’t help win anytime soon.
Lemonade24
Unless my New York Muts sign Machado or Harper, this deal is a bust no matter what the pros are. Obviously there are more cons here with this trade.
Trading Syndergaard would wipe out any doubt that the Muts are trying to contend. With Cano now on the team, i would assume Macahado is out the mix, but it makes more sense now to sign Harper.
rct 2
No chance they trade Syndergaard now. They’re talking about trading for Kluber. They wouldn’t be doing that if they were going to trade Syndergaard.
J glub
Why? Kluber is better than Thor
HighHardOne
Diaz will become a superstar on that stage with his personality. It will be fun to watch
LongTimeListener1stTimecaller
This deal is meaningless unless the Mets go and get either Machado or Harper
Syndergaarden Cop
Shutdown closer on a team where the other bullpen pieces are garbage. Makes sense.
Bill
Both Gsellman and Lugo were pretty good last year, especially as setup men. Swarzak was bad, and he’s gone. Blevins is also gone (free agent) and wasn’t nearly as good as he had been in the past.
Nats Town
As a Nats fan, this pisses me off. Mets pulled off a freakin* haul. Great job.
frankthetank1985
I dont know why people are down on this trade. You can’t get hung up on prospects, especially one that is 19. Too much can happen and too much has to happen for the hype to be lived up to. Cano and moreso Diaz are close to sure things for what to expect. Both spots of need on the roster and it opened up hole to fill with better players than Bruce and Swarzak. This to me was a perfect lily executed trade for both teams.
Boogaloo
Why is it only met fans are saying that? The rest of baseball thinks the mets got screwed
Dan Hunter
Mets fan here since 1974.
This deal is horrible for the Mets unless they get two more good bats.
frankthetank1985
I don’t understand why. What is the problem with this trade? They got a phenomenal young closer. They got a quality 2b guy who can also help Rosario and even McNeil. They got rid of two crappy guys and they risked two prospects who are just that, prospects. This deal agreed to in November. Not one big name signed anywhere yet. Mets are definitely not done and will add a catcher and outfielder and more bullpen arms. You wouldn’t do this trade if you weren’t going to keep adding.
DarrenDreifortsContract
I predict .275 15 home runs 70 rbi for Cano and Tommy John Surgery for Diaz in the Mets future.