A few rumblings out of Arlington, courtesy of Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News:
- Over the past month, the Rangers have lost starting third baseman Adrian Beltre to retirement and traded the legend’s potential successor, Jurickson Profar, to the Athletics. While the Rangers have acquired third base possibilities in Patrick Wisdom and Nolan Fontana during the same span, neither is an established major leaguer. Further, neither power-hitting corner infielder/outfielder Joey Gallo nor catcher Isiah Kiner-Falefa will line up at third, general manager Jon Daniels suggested Friday. As such, the rebuilding club plans to add infield help prior to next season, reports Grant, who lists free agents Matt Davidson and Yangervis Solarte as potential options. Texas has shown interest in Davidson since the White Sox non-tendered him last month, according to Grant, but it seems the connection to Solarte is more speculative in nature. Texas is already familiar with Solarte – whom the Blue Jays non-tendered this offseason – as the team signed him to a minor league contract in 2011. Solarte went on to play the 2012 and ’13 seasons with the Rangers’ Triple-A affiliate, though he never cracked their major league lineup.
- The Rangers did approach Profar’s camp regarding a contract extension at some point, per Grant, who adds that talks “went nowhere.” The Rangers’ choice to not recall Profar from the minors when rosters expanded in September 2017 may have hurt their chances to keep him for the long haul, Grant observes. The decision gained the Rangers another year of control over Profar, but it likely didn’t sit well with agent Scott Boras.
- The Rangers are in farm-building mode, which figures to make left-hander Mike Minor the next veteran to depart via trade, Grant writes. It seems the plan is to deal Minor for prospects and then replace him with a similarly priced free agent – one the Rangers may be able to flip elsewhere during the season in order to acquire more youth. Minor, set to turn 31 on Dec. 26, has drawn reported interest from the Phillies, Brewers and Mets this winter. He gave the Rangers respectable production in 2018, his first season as a starter since 2014, and has a reasonable $19MM left on the final two years of his deal.
xabial
Tex manipulated Profars service time, 2017 to extend control through 2020. Wonder if it played a role, if any, in reluctance to take an extension, or vice-versa?
He had good AAA numbers, and still passed over for a Sept call-up so would finish with just under 4 years
madmanTX
all addressed in the article.
NotaGM
exactly…no offense x but time to read before posting what we just read.
xabial
None taken! But wasn’t article on what I wrote
It was one paragraph on Profar situation and I expanded on it more than you guys think.
I believe service manipulation is fascinating. (Like Bryant) Hope it gets “fixed”in next CBA
InPolesWeTrust
No. You regurgitated the article and the got pissy when someone pointed it out. Way to ‘expand on it more than’ we think…..
xabial
I didnt “regurgitate“ anything. It was one paragraph blurb with author speculating rangers holding him back may ruined their extension chances —less info than u think
article wasn’t entirely about what I posted on.
Adam6710
You realize you just prompted a long back and forth that takes up more effort, time, and space than if you had just ignored him?
You are the reason you hate him.
xabial
I realize that now.
It’s just annoying. This article wasn’t commented on for 30 minutes and thought would have intelligent discourse on the topic of service clock manipulation, and these clowns (madman, cursedranger, ghost, socop) act like I’m there ready to post second it’s up with nothing really substantive in my post.
Worst post ever read in all my years posting
“I almost quit cuz of X posting then insult me.”
Like wow
sufferforsnakes
All things aside, I also think manipulating service time like the Rangers and most other teams do is an interesting topic. I am always of the belief that the idea is to play ‘em when they’re ready, to win now, not maybe win down the road.
Fans want to see exciting prospects, and Toronto is now guilty of holding back the most exciting right now.
xabial
@madman, There’s ways someone like you.
1) The article speculative. I made a definitive statement.
2) The article never addressed AAA #’s or acknowledge
them. I said he had “good AAA #s” worthy of promotion
3) It mentioned approached extension recently. I added “vice-versa” which means Tex hesitant to offer extension after 2017 with 3 yrs control or anytime. two-way street.
4) Lastly the article never went into nitty gritty details. How much service time was needed? I said “4”
How much did he fall short? I said “just under”
xabial
There’s always* someone like you
basebaIl1600
Dude, read what you are writing. “Wonder if it played a role, if any, in reluctance to take an extension, or vice versa?” You call this a definitive statement? You ended it with a question mark for damn sake. I try not to reply to you but come on, thats just ridiculous.
xabial
My post as whole was a definitive statement
The author speculated to cover his own ass. I’m just saying what happened. I posed the Q cuz thought it was interesting. Texas definitely was less likely to offer an extension, after 2017 with three full years of control now thru 2020.
I appreciate your restraint in not responding. Thank you
xabial
Appreciate your general* restraint. Definitely felt lately. We don’t have to agree, just stay respectful. Even here, u were, more than past. Thanks again
sacko
The baseball comments are sure much more different than the basketball comments lol
InPolesWeTrust
Thank you.
This clown makes the comments almost unreadable. And yes, that’s both speculative and definitive.
xabial
Blame me for world hunger next
NotaGM
you so-called quite posting here only to gain a mental image of what X looks like in his basement…very disturbing fetish you have.
lawdog23
I wish both you crybaby bit$&&$ would shut up!
Syndergaarden Cop
I don’t even bother reading your posts anymore.
I just see your name and downvote as a matter of principle.
xabial
That’s just sad
Adam6710
…not to mention comment on it!
aamatho18
From what I’ve read, I don’t blame you. Xabial, all you did was lengthen your post with a couple factors that truthfully nobody cared about because those points didn’t strengthen anything. All we needed to know that his service was manipulated which the article points out perfectly. Don’t be so egotistical and realize if you have literally everyone against you, you probably didn’t write a good statement because i do not see one person on your side. Take the criticism.
jkinser20
Bro.. make a new account with a different name and it’ll all go away lol
fortymanroster.com
This thread is a good example of why the internet sucks so much. Everyone just shut up, including OP.
bballblk
Gallo AND Davidson in the same lineup?!That’s a lot of strikeouts.
everlastingdave
*White Sox fan snrks derisively*
NotaGM
ask the Yankees how Stanton amd judge doing
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User 4245925809
No such thing as earning goodwill with boras anyhow. he’s out for the last cent regardless as soon as he can get a client there. I’d want to delay any of his clients by as short of a time as possible also with that in mind knowing there is no such thing as home team, nor good will discount with him.
stubby66
I agree with what the Rangers did and if I remember right Profar was also unwilling to do certain things during his rehab of his injuries too, which prolonged his dl stint on a major league roster like Boras says this is a business. I kinda wonder how his numbers will fair away from the Texas summers. Now on to Mike Minor I wonder what happened with the trade with the Brewers. I heard it was very close at one time. depending on what prospects were involved, I hope they can get it done. He might be the way to go instead of Dallas Keuchal way less expensive maybe Ray, Broxton and a couple low end pitching prospects.
User 4245925809
Boras also likes his clients rehabbing at his facilities rather than the team’s own. Shame he seems to be able to get away with so much and lots of people defend him the way they do. he seems to me the slimy lawyer one reads of in the dirtiest of stories at times in cases that makes a person shake there head
SuperSinker
He’s literally trying to maximize the income for his baseball player clients. It’s his job. Why are you a fan of an owner?
stubby66
Ok I’m just kinda speculating on this one but I dont johnsilver is completely saying he is on the owners side but to be honest Boras and owners are taking advantage of these kids and young men especially the foreign players financially. Boras does come off as an arrogant jerk like he has a God complex
jdgoat
Agreed sinker. I don’t agree with the hate for Boras. He does what is best for his clients and is easily the best agent in the game. I don’t understand why people hate him for literally being the best at his job. God forbid he takes an extra couple million from the billionaire owners.
DTD
Boras isn’t doing what’s best for his clients. He’s doing what’s best for his bank account. I’m a fan of any athlete that doesn’t have an agent and takes care of themselves.
GeoKaplan
That is a poorly-informed statement.
The player hires the agent. The agent and client agree on how to negotiate/what the desired outcome is to be.
At any time, Profar could sever his ties with Boras and go with any of dozens of different agents to represent him instead. Players do this all the time. If Profar doesn’t like the results—and there is zero evidence he is unhappy with his career moves to date—he has nobody to blame but himself.
This is true for *any* player. The agent can not legally make decisions without the consent of the player. Furthermore, the player can direct the agent to make a deal, even if it is counter to the agent’s usual game plan (see Jered Weaver forgoing free agency to sign extension with the Angels, against the advice of his agent—Scott Boras).
Blaming the agents for anything is a sure sign the complainer knows nothing about the business side of the game. It is a lazy trope. And if any of us had the talent to be a player at the MLB level, we’d all sign with a Scott Boras or one of his peers to extract the best possible deal for our financial futures.
stubby66
I agree with what the Rangers did and if I remember right Profar was also unwilling to do certain things during his rehab of his injuries too, which prolonged his dl stint on a major league roster like Boras says this is a business. I kinda wonder how his numbers will fair away from the Texas summers. Now on to Mike Minor I wonder what happened with the trade with the Brewers. I heard it was very close at one time. depending on what prospects were involved, I hope they can get it done. He might be the way to go instead of Dallas Keuchal way less expensive maybe Ray, Broxton, Anderson and a low end pitching prospects.
dudeman40
Wouldn’t showing goodwill towards a team be doing a disservice to the client he represents?
troll
wisdom will be fine. watch
eric9690
Arlington is the perfect place for Davidson. Low expectations with a launching pad in the summer home games. Sox really should of resigned Davidson vs keeping leury Garcia worlds worst 4th outfielder
Priggs89
No, they really shouldn’t have unless they were going to work with him on his pitching. Outside of playing Kansas City, his bat is useless.
FutureMiLBWife
Important fact…Texas will have someone playing defense at 3rd on opening day…maybe..
Elvisismyhomeboy
Hang in there, fellow Rangers fans! We had a great streak of playoff success and came as close as a team can possibly get in 2011. Eventually the rebuild will be over and we’ll be back in an air conditioned stadium!
NotaGM
if they can attract a rotation…they good…Rockies finally figured it out.
Dad
Wisdom will start a little slow but he is major league talent . I will go as far to say as he will more than replace Beltre .With a chance to play everyday Wisdom will be damn good
SuperSinker
Lol I’ll keep this receipt
aussiegiants53
Want Davidson looking to work on his pitching this off season? Wanted to be a 2 way player this season?
hojostache
Frazier + $2m-$3m and a lower prospect for Minor? Frazier is making $8m-$9m, which he should easily cover with his solid defense at 3B and okay but not great bat.
AidanVega123
Rangers probably aren’t looking to add another veteran with similar salary in a Minor trade
jbigz12
Minor will be making 9.5 MM the next 2 seasons. From what you wrote it appears he’s only on a one year deal.
AidanVega123
Yeah his contract is up after 2020, not 2019 as far as I’m aware
deweybelongsinthehall
So Boras pouts when a team plays by the rules and it hurts his client. As good as he is, he reminds of the show Wheel of Fortune although even the bankrupt slots make his client money, just not what they hoped for. If Texas read things correctly, good for them to realize things and pull the trigger given their likelihood of fighting with Seattle for bottom feeding “nagging rights”.
PhanaticDuck26
honest question–what would it take to get Mazara to Philly? How about Vinny Velasquez and Maikel Franco? Texas is looking for young, controllable arms (VV) and some experienced 3B (Franco) now that Profar is out. I know Mazara only sits around .260 with 20 homers per year, but I think he’s on the verge of breaking out and I’d love to see him in RF in Philly. Phils aren’t getting Harper and could definitely use a left-handed bat, and I’ve always liked Mazara even though the numbers aren’t necessarily eye-popping. How about it, JD, VV and Franco?
fathead
I’d like that as a Rangers fan
Samuel
A new wrinkle to the 2018-19 off-season refrain:
“We’ll flip ’em at the deadline”……..
In this one the Rangers are going to flip a guy they don’t have….and at this point don’t even know who he is.
lol
The last 5 or so years these fantasy league GM’s make 3-5 roster changes a week. 2019 is about to take that from the ridiculous to the absurd, as teams have as many guys they intend to flip as they do bad contracts.
Players won’t commit to teams. Teams won’t commit to players. Next step – agents demand clauses in players contracts demanding a trade by July 15 if the player has not had X amount of PA’s or X amount of innings pitched……with the player specifying X amount of teams he can’t be traded to.
Naturally, it is only a matter of time before Season Ticket Holders demand an Opt-Out clause.
jorge78
LOL.
sasafrass81
I’d love a season ticket holder opt out clause because I am tired of taking out a loan to get a hot dog and soda at AT&T! As well as having to watch Belt go on the dl due to a stone bruise he got for stepping on a 1967 Ford Mustang Hot Wheel, which Panda left behind…by “accident” of course.
Oh that Panda guy…
jorge78
Can’t we all just get along?
Jamespfunk
Haven’t read this anywhere but I wonder If the Rangers are planning on going after Anthony Rendon next offseason. Texas born and raised played at Rice and that would be a long term answer at 3rd. Still hoping my Nats can extend him after Harper officially becomes a Dodger.
dudeman40
I’d love to see Evan Grants favorite rumor/hype of the last 3 years come true – Rangers open the pockets to bring in the new ballpark by signing Nolan Arenado to play 3rd in 2020!
That would be a great follow-up to Beltre.
Here’s hoping Colorado lets him walk – or better yet, trades him in mid season so there’s no QO.
jonnymac2for1
All of you live at home in your mother’s basement. I look at the comments just to laugh and roll my eyes. Clearly, you are trying to show your self-perceived knowledge of the game rather than your team-spirit.
sasafrass81
Shows what you know, we don’t even have a basement smh! Now, if you don’t mind, mom made mac and cheese and I am hungry…..
julyn82001
Profar will do just fine with the young A’s. Whether Billy Beane and company sign Justin to a extension well that is just a separate matter…
Big Hurt
Davidson just doesn’t make enough contact to ever be a solid major leaguer. He’s a below average 3rd baseman with an career OPS+ of 97. He was slightly better than that last year, but a ton of that came in the first couple weeks against KC. Bold prediction, he spends 1 more year desperately trying to be a field player, then comes back next year (or in 2 years) attempting to be a pitcher. And btw – I think he has more potential as a pitcher. With no training, he threw low 90s, with solid secondary pitches and set hitters up. In 3 innings on the mound he showed more potential than he has in 4 mlb seasons as a hitter.
Niekro
I am not saying he is JD Martinez by any means but it looks like Davidson has played with staying simple and trying to add a step or stride to his swing maybe if it is a timing issue he could still be a big league hitter.
pjmcnu
Good for Profar/Boras. Game playing like that should be punished. Artificially delaying initial promotion by 2 weeks to gain another year of control is bad enough. Doing it later is unconscionable. Imagine teams sending a guy down for the last 3 weeks of his 6th season to get a 7th. Think today’s GMs won’t do it? They will if you let them.