Yasmani Grandal entered free agency as the clear-cut best catcher on the open market, but he remains without a job nearly two months after the offseason began. Part of that seems to be Grandal’s own doing, as the longtime Dodger reportedly turned down a generous proposal from the Mets – a four-year, $60MM offer. In the wake of Grandal’s rejection, the Mets pivoted to the No. 2 catcher in free agency, Wilson Ramos, whom they reeled in on a two-year, $19MM guarantee.
At the outset of the offseason, MLBTR predicted Grandal would score a four-year, $64MM contract and listed the Mets, Nationals, Rangers, Twins, Red Sox, Astros, Angels, Phillies, Braves and Rockies as potential suitors. The Twins, Red Sox, Astros, Philllies and Rockies could still be in the mix for the 30-year-old Grandal, though at least some of those teams may prefer to swing a deal for Marlins trade chip J.T. Realmuto.
It’s doubtful the other clubs are in on Grandal, on the other hand. The Nationals have already added Yan Gomes and Kurt Suzuki this winter, thus taking them out of the running for free-agent catchers who will garner major league contracts and Realmuto. The Rangers could still use a catcher, having parted with Robinson Chirinos at the start of the offseason and signed the offensively challenged Jeff Mathis, but it would be surprising to see the rebuilding franchise spend big on a 30-something player. The Angels showed interest in Grandal earlier this month, but they may be out of the equation after signing free agent Jonathan Lucroy on Friday. The Braves, meanwhile, re-signed Tyler Flowers toward the end of last season and then reunited with Brian McCann on a $2MM guarantee in free agency, giving them a pair of respected veterans.
While at least a few of the above teams may be eyeing Grandal, the only ones that have actually shown reported interest in him this winter have been the Dodgers, Reds, White Sox and the aforementioned Mets, Astros and Angels. It doesn’t appear Grandal’s going to return to the Dodgers in 2019, though, considering multiple reports have indicated they aren’t keen on bringing him back on anything other than a short-term deal. The White Sox have signed James McCann since they were first publicly connected to Grandal, and they also have capable veteran backstop Welington Castillo on hand. Cincinnati, which selected Grandal 12th overall in the 2010 draft, may still be a candidate to sign him, but it has a passable, low-cost starter in Tucker Barnhart and seems more focused on upgrading its rotation than its situation behind the plate.
The Dodgers already tried to bring Grandal back in 2019 on a $17.9MM qualifying offer, but he declined it, meaning it would cost a team significant major league payroll space, a draft pick and international bonus pool allotments to sign him. Grandal’s status as a QO recipient takes away from his appeal to some degree, yet he has nonetheless been among the majors’ most accomplished catchers over the past several years.
Since 2014, which he spent with the Padres, the switch-hitting Grandal ranks top five at his position in home runs (104; third), wRC+ (115; third) and fWAR (12.2; fifth). And while Grandal had some well-documented problems as a defender in the 2018 postseason, he’s still a highly regarded pitch framer who has thrown out a roughly league-average percentage of base stealers in his career. Clearly, then, Grandal shouldn’t have trouble finding a lucrative contract prior to next season. But it’s an open question whether he erred in saying no to the Mets’ $60MM offer.
(poll link for app users)
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
no way Grandal gets that kinda dough
No reason for Boston to spend big on a catcher not initialed JTR. He cost himself big $$ with his playoff run and I have my doubts on the alleged Mets’ offer.
2nd to last sentence, ‘Grandal’ i/o ‘Realmuto’
grandal to rancho Cucamonga confirmed
Awesome! That’s right down the 210 from me.
Yet. Another predicted transaction coming to fruition!
3 years, 40-49 mil total
Yeah, that sounds about right to me.
I was thinking closer to 4 at 12 per. Still 40-49m but I don’t see him having to settle for 3 years
Grandal’s sales brochure is the big stage, and that’s not work out too well for him.
Still can’t believe the Mets offered him that much. It’s nice to see things finally changing.
Curious what he is asking for. Because the mets offer was pretty good and might be the best offer he will get on the market this offseason.
Should’ve took the Met’s offer. Could easily see Grandal not signing until spring training or even after the season starts.
Rubber checks and rubber sheets, trademarks of the Wilpons.
Definitely over played his hand.
Reminds me so much of what Ian Desmond did a few yrs ago. Ouch…from 100 million to 60 million, quicker than a cat can lick its own fanny.
Years ago Jason Varitek turned down an initial offer from the red sox and actually wound up signing with the Red Sox for about half the original offer he turned down.. and he made Grandal look like a little leaguer in comparison.. BEST he can hope for now is 3 for $47M with a $1M buyout of a $17M 4th year option.. so only $48M guaranteed
Maybe should have accepted the QO he didn’t deserve in the first place.
Yes, I said he didn’t deserve it. I enjoy participating in the downvote Olympics.
The next team in-need of a catcher should purposely offer 3 years for $49-million. Keep it under 50. If Grandal doesn’t like collecting $16+ million per year the next three seasons then he can be happy being the new Moustakas.
If he didnt deserve the QO then how the heck did he get an offer that was triple it…..What an awful take
Because the Mets are stupid and desperate and are literally in a win-now position. They will take any kind of talent even if it means for an overpay. Me, personally I think Grandal isn’t worth more than 9M AAV because he’s really just a platoon because of how bad he is against LHP, but against RHP he rakes. Every time though his hits would come in games where we already led by 4 or 5 and it was in the later innings. He never stepped up in close-game scenarios.
MOST GUYS, don’t step up in close game scenarios. I’m not a fan of Grandal’s but you’re grabbing at straws, trying to find reasons to justify why you don’t like the kid. Just man up and say, “I don’t like him and I hope all he gets in free agency is a cup of water”.
He’s demanding what HE THINKS is his market value..sorta like what MOST PLAYERS do in free agency. He may very well have an offer or two who can pay the 70 million…maybe they’re silent…maybe THEY don’t want any attention. There are too many variables here for anyone to be making juvenile guesses and hatin’ for silly reasons. He stunk in the playoffs. Well ok, so did Machado…and yet I bet Manny ‘gets paid’ anyway.
You are hilarious.
Xavier provided information as someone that watched Dodgers games. Batting statistic splits include stats by pitcher’s dominant hand, stats by inning, and clutch stats. Relevant enough to be measured, recorded, and used.
You are the person that does not realize that Xavier stated the value to him. It’s an honest assessment and opinion. Nothing that requires a response such as yours.
Safe zone thought police that woke up triggered I guess
You comparing Machado to Grandal is hilarious.
Grandal is a catcher that has many many holes in his game. Only reason for his value is the current state of catchers in MLB and alternatives. Even then, teams are not breaking down door to sign him.
Grandal is a catcher that will be playing in his 30s the entire contract. His game does not translate to other positions, including first base. Low BA, good OBP, 20-25 HR, and defense that raised issues in past post season. Nothing that screams pay me top money, especially since signing team will lose draft pick(s) and available international spending.
Would be shocked to see anyone beat the Mets offer. Might be a personal preference for other non-Mets teams and could have been a formality to gather offers for negotiating power by his agent
$15-per year average over 4 years from the Mets.
Turned down $17.9 for 1 year.
Grandal and his agent believe he’s a $70-80 for 4 years, or $85-100 for 5 years.
I did your thinking for you. You’re welcome Kenley2.
As for what Blaine said….comparing Grandal to other well-paid catchers he’s looking for something above the QO. He wants Russell Martin money and then some.
He is a catcher that got on base at a .350 clip and has power. Its really not hard to see why he has value. His agents can think whatever they want. That doesn’t change him being worth a 1 year overpay for the Dodgers
^Perfect. So you admit Grandal would be a 1 year overpay. We are on the same page here, although that contradicts your first message and thus negates your “awful take” comment.
Also, don’t care that Grandal walks. Catchers can’t run. It will take a triple or bomb to score him from first. Last I checked, you still need to score more runs than the other team to win games. When not hitting a homer he scored 41 times in 140 games. Is that good? I’ll leave that answer to stat geeks.
Tossing out runners are on the backslide. His play in the playoffs also did him no favors. I stand by the first statement; he didn’t deserve the QO. He’s not good enough for a QO. At least Colby Rasmus had the good sense to accept his when he didn’t deserve his offer.
Being overpaid and deserving it are not the same. He put himself in a position to be the Dodgers best stopgap C for 1 season so he absolutely deserved the offer. I 100% guarentee Grandal will top his QO for a contract, so comparing him to Rasmus is awful. Power hitting OFs are easy to find. Catchers not so much
While walking is certainly not a bad outcome, the love of it by a lot of fans and sabr nerds in front offices is truly sad. More damage is done by putting the ball in play.
Great observation about his low run totals. I noticed the same when I glanced at his stats recently. OBP is nice, but very overvalued.
Who said anything about walking? OBP is not just walks. A walk is just as good as a single and thinking that does not make you a saber nerd. Just makes you a dinasour
You referenced OBP, and in relation to YG his is largely driven by walks. His BAs are not good over the years. That matters when you face #1/2 starters and high leverage BP arms that make you hit your way on.
You say that like its a bad thing. People are reall starting to reach with these anti grandal takes. He walks too much lol. Sounds absolutely ridiculous. If his avg and OPB have a large gap it just tells you he has a good eye and is willing to take a walk.
Kenley – not going to argue that OBP is important and that people saying Grandal walks too much being a bad thing does sound dumb. However, the statement that a walk is as good as a single has always bugged me since I was a kid as it’s just not true. A walk doesn’t bring a guy home from second or third and score a run, but a single does. Also, walks by the 8th place hitting catcher who can’t steal a base don’t really hurt that much unless the pitcher or pinch hitter can get an extra base hit.
Sure there are cases where that is true, but more often its really the same value. Getting traffic on the bases is never a bad thing. Walks also run up pitch counts and can scare guys into the zone. Grandal didn’t hit 8th as well.
That is true, but a flip to that argument is guys that are more “put the ball in play” types may also be prone to grounding into double plays if they are swinging at pitchers pitches, or fearing a K. I think saying a walk is the same as a base hit is wrong, agreed, but I do think there is a ton of value to a selective hitter that looks for pitches they can be productive with and at the same time be willing to take a walk if they do not see pitches they can do something with.
He’s a .107 hitter for the Dodgers across not one, not two, not three, but FOUR postseasons. I”m just curious, for those Dodger fans who want him back, how many postseasons in a row would he have to be god-awful for us before you’d finally cry uncle? IT IS TIME FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I don’t want him even if it was on a 1-year, $10MM deal.
Methinks kenley is Grandal’s father or mother. He defends Grandal to the death. It’s hilarious.
Guys always take security over higher AAV’s though. He obviously made the right choice in not taking the QO if he’s getting large offers like the Mets offered.
Nah whats hilarious is him living in your head rent free. You call him names and make ridiculous statements about him. I could care lesss since he probably wont be a dodger anymore. Just destroying your awful takes is too easy
Because whats the alternative? Austin Barnes was just as miserable as Grandal at the plate.
He did not get triple the offer. Use your brain and try again
QO= 18 million. 18 × 3 = 54. 60>54. What math are you doing?
Yeah but that 60 was for 4 years.
Too much
Half that is fair
Per year the Mets offer was less
3 years $48 mil
60 mil was an overpay already, and he won’t get nearly that much from any other team.
Terrible when it comes to clutch hitting. Glad my dodgers will move on from him, he didn’t deliver when it counted and in my books he’s just another Darvish. Every time he had a big game, his hits were when the game was in a blowout or against a terrible team.
Looks like a classic case where the stats sometimes lie (offensively). 3 outcome profile. 4yrs of abysmal playoff stats support your stance he does his damage/stat padding against lesser pitching. High price tag……if someone wants to fork out significant $ mainly b/c C position itself is weak around the league, they’ll have buyers’ remorse. Solid D not enough when talking 60+ mil guaranteed.
X….only true, accurate post I’ve read on this yet
When it comes to run production, I like to add their runs and RBI together and divide by the number of games they play. If it’s more than 1, then they produce more than a run per game which is very good.
Grandal had 65 runs and 68 RBI for 133 runs produced. He played in 140 games which is just under 1 which is good for a catcher.
Bellinger had 84 runs and 76 RBI for 160 runs produced. He played in 162 games, so he too was just below the1 mark. For a 1B that’s not so good. A great 1B like Goldschmidt averages 105 runs and 105 RBI. That’s 210 runs produced in 162 games a year.
I know runs and RBI are more a product of other players on the team, but the Dodgers were a great offensive team last year. There were only 4 full time players that averaged more than a run produced on that team last year… Justin Turner, Matt Kemp, Max Muncey and Machado. These players all had great years.
For kicks and giggles, when compared to a terrible team like the Tigers, they had 2 regulars with over 1 run produced… Leonys Martin who was only with them about half the year and Nick Castellanos. Miggy also was over a 1, but he missed a large part of the season.
Some top catchers with runs produced over 1 in 2018….
Sanchez 51 runs 53 RBI… 104/89 games
JTR 74 runs 74 RBI… 148/125 games
Molina 55 runs 74 RBI… 129/128 games
Perez 52 runs 80 RBI… 132/129 games
Not really, Grandal had the 2nd highest 3.6 WAR in the catcher this year, and 11.3 WAR in the last four seasons, which is only after Posey and Realmuto. He is looking for a contract that is the same or less than McCann: 85M /5y.
If Grandal truly was offered a 4 year deal for $60 million, he was an idiot for turning it down.
Maybe he didn’t want to play in New York? After all, it’s really expensive to live there, and $60M only goes so far.
Then maybe he shouldn’t be looking for a really big mansion driving an expensive car with an over 60 inch HD TV. 60M for 4 years, he’d be fine living in NY.
Steven. How does your comment have anything to do with living in New York? You can make that argument for any city. No entiendo. Tribe’s comment had to do with how maybe Grandal turned it down because the thought of living in New York gave him diarrhea. Speaking of which, I gotta run to the bathroom. I just thought of living in New York. I’m back! I just realized something in the bathroom. I am living in New York right now. No wonder my life is such a wreck and no girls want to be with me.
Pretty sure your geographical location isn’t why girls want to date you. I’m sure there are tons of reasons
Yeah, you’re right. It’s because I’ve been hanging out with you again. Stupid New York and stupid friends. I’m stupid. I need a better agent. Can I get that two dollars you owe me? I have a hankering for some Combos.
Lol. Yeah… I couldn’t live on $15M a year in NYC either. smh
Angels sign him 3-years $49mil. Grandal with Lucroy as his back up would a great tandem. Probably won’t happen but that would be fun to watch this summer!
I think thats plausable. Halos have a bit more to spend and I feel like it’s either going to Kikuchi or to Yaz on the rebound. 3/$45m with a team option for a 4th and a $2m buyout.
too much to spend on catchers when they need to shore up the pen. maybe even rotation needs another. also upgrade at rf if kole can’t “hack” it! kole’s been hacking too much and that’s the cause of all of his problems!
Agreed. The emphasis at this point would be David Robertson and Kikuchi.
If the latter selects a different team on Jan 3, then maybe Grandal has a shot at millions, just not a deal which beats the rumored, declined, Mets offer. Grandal has limited experience at 1B, so he could get starts there beginning 2020.
I assumed the same thing last night and looked up the numbers. Even when accounting for the amount of time that has passed between the two becoming free agents, Grandal is nowhere near the same player as McCann. McCann was for an extended period of time the best at his position until Posey came along. Cheers to him for betting on himself, but is simply a top-ish catcher when there a very few good catchers in the league.
McCann, as much as I love him, was not better than Yadi.
McCann absolutely was better than Grandal. Could have made a very strong case McCann was better than Grandal up to the end of the 2017 season.
Did you read my comment? I said he’s not better than Yadi, not Grandal. And no, Yadi is not overrated.
Yadi is absolutely over rated now. He gets free all star trips every year because of his name.
You’re right, McCann was the best catcher in baseball at the time of his big contract.
^Did you ignorantly imply that I’m Jimmer? Nice try Baseball1600. Your lack of IQ speak volumes.
Since you brought it up, many of you enjoy bullying the guy. Just because I choose to defend and agree with him at-times does not mean I am the burner account. But if you’d like to be a keyboard warrior and mock him for typing things that I wouldn’t type, ever, I’ll be your huckleberry.
And since you enjoy talking about irrelevant things like mentioning Tony Gwynn when talking about Minnesota or Cal Ripken when mentioning the DBacks like you did Yadi over Yasmani Grandal’s contract, here’s your new name: #goutseyes
Yadi is the most overrated player since Derek Jeter. Will be glad when he retires and don’t have to hear the same shtick about his intangibles and other one of a kind qualities that simply aren’t true.
As a Cubs fan, couldn’t disagree more. Yadi has been arguably the best of his generation
Arguably is the operative word there.
For sure, after all Posey’s generation overlaps. Point is, to say Yadi’s overrated is far from an intelligent comment.
I’d counter by saying best of his generation is an even more foolish thing to say. Never said he wasn’t good, just said overrated. If I said he wasn’t good, that would be an unintelligent comment. Idiots arguing about subjective opinions and you bring up intelligence. That’s comedy.
As a cardinals fan, you may be the smartest cubs fan I’ve come across.
Do people really need to announce who they’re fans of? Can’t they just make it up anyway?
I’m a Montreal fan from Oklahoma but I drove thru NY once
Walker….Yadi isn’t the most overrated at his position. Russell Martin’s more overrated, and right now Grandal is gaining on both.
I think the Reds would be a serious player for Grandal if he ends up somewhere in the 3/45 range
That would be a very good place for him and Reds would get a nice return by trading Barnhart — perhaps to the Dodgers
It would be the best battering ram in baseball. Barnhart and Grandal. I feel the Reds need to use the money more on pitching. Barnhart is above average and Casali looked good last year.
White Sox could pivot to him after missing on Machado and Harper.
That’s about his only golden parachute.
What about Phillies with “stupid money?” Grandal does much better when he gets plenty of rest so he shares catching with Alfaro. Grandal is a much better LH hitter than RH, perhaps a platoon situation. Statistically Grandal is a far superior defensive catcher than Alfaro, especially pitch framing.
Possibly. Good call.
If they can stomach the penalty attached to the QO I am all for this. The Klentak regime has proven to be dunces at drafting high so why not trade the pick penalty for the best free agent catcher? The answer is that on the back half of the contract Grandal should be taking a back seat to Alfaro. With that in mind the contract would need to be heavily front loaded. I really like the balance Grandal’s (primarily) lefty bat would bring to the lineup and he could spell Hoskins at 1B on occasion. The team may be waiting for their rejection letters from Harper and Machado.before they make a move like this though.
He should have take 4/60. It doesn’t get better in Jan.
Wrong.
What do you mean ‘wrong’. He’s not going to get anything better than what the Mets offered him. If he does, that team is insane.
What’s the winning lotto number, Nostradamus?
Words that rhyme with wrong: — song, bong, (ding)dong, Tommy Chong, hopsalong, gong, vietcong, prolong, liaison (kinda), thong, pong, Jung Bong , Chase de Jong, Prong
Everyone! Please stop arguing! I can’t hear the Dave Matthews Band above your quarreling. Never mind, I had it on mute.
There’s the best response of the day! I mean, if you were watching the game that is.
Why do baseball fans have such troubles with humor? I was honestly on the floor and almost peed my pants. “Humor is not allowed on this site. This is for serious stuff only. Shame on you for being funny. I’m gonna downvote the crap out of this.”
It’s all good. We all fall victim to the hivemind. Thanks for noticing. I am a pretty successful comedian. Sometimes I try stuff out online, rarely here. This just isn’t the right setting for humor. A lot of people appreciate it, but some just come here to argue and act like little manboys. I mean no one reading this post is a manboy, except the people who downvote anonymously. (Wink emoji here.) I have empathy so I often upvote people with a lot of downvotes. Think I will do that right now.
I like to bring out my manboy rhetoric too sometimes. Oh, I am so ashamed.
2/25 option for the 3rd year. If the club option is picked up and he wins a silver slugger,gold glove or MVP a mutual option for a 4th year kicks in. Worth a possible 45mil.
He seems to be destined to be another player over-playing their hand.
I highly doubt anyone else gives Grandal as big of an offer. That was a pretty big contract for a catcher, one that nobody will match, unless he’s banking on the Astros getting so desperate that they back away from the Realmuto talks completely and turn to him? I don’t see anyone else now who both needs a catcher and will pay that kind of money for his services. In my opinion, Grandal and his agent slipped up (thankful though, because I wouldn’t have enjoyed seeing him across town)
First of all, he’s a cheater. Second the Dodgers benched him in the playoffs. Seriously, how much money did he think he would get?
Since he is a cheater. Let’s just tar and feather him and give him no chance for redemption. I bet you never cheated at anything.
He stole from fans, players, owners and teams and has paid nothing in restitution. I say there should always be a stigma, you compare that to tar and feathers. Which one of us is bringing ridiculous? If you had an once of wisdom, you would say you.
Your reaction is giving me a heart attack.
Future headline
Grandal fires agent after landing less years and less money than offered by the Mets. Grandal cites agents inability to properly predict market demand as reason for firing.
This year’s Moustakas.
Defo.
Grandal’s value defensively and as a pitch framer are overlooked by casual baseball fans who compare players based on batting average and home run output only. Grandal is better and more highly valued then many realize. 1 WAR is worth 8-9 million annually, and Grandal is coming off a nearly 4 war season. His age works against him for future projection, but he’s going to get paid. Because he didn’t take the Mets offer, I’m guessing he wants to play for a winner and that’s just as important to him as the money. I think he goes to the Astros. 3yr50m.
whats also overlooked is he leads the league consistently in passed balls overdoing it on the frame thing..
Things are different now…..
Every year there are a handful of guys who turn down a QO or a lucrative deal only to regret it later. The Mets would have been a good landing place for him and they have a really good pitching staff. I don’t think he gets 4 and 60 now but he may end up on a better team. I can see the Red Sox giving him 3 & 45 million with a team option for a 4th or if he hits certain numbers, the 4th year becomes guranteed. He would be a huge upgrade for the Red Sox at that position and hitting in Fenway as a switch hitter would be fun for him.
Why are the Red Sox continually mentioned here as “in the mix”? Besides the fact they have shown no interest in Grandal, as mentioned in the above article, they’ve already got two low-cost catchers (3 if you count Swihart) that performed quite well defensively. And even though they had career-worst offensive seasons, it obviously didn’t prevent the Sox from achieving their goal of a championship. Leon hit .310 with an .845 OPS just 2 years ago, so they are not going to give up on him just yet.
Most importantly, Boston is trying to control payroll in case you haven’t noticed. That’s why they are going the bargain basement route with relievers, and haven’t seriously pursued any big free agents other than their own. Their payroll was already astronomical this year, and besides trying to keep Kimbrel they also have to try and keep Xander, Sale and JD who all can leave after next season. And Mookie can leave after the 2020 season. That’s 4 guys who will get massive salary increases, so if it means having to stick with two catchers who are below average hitters, so be it. But there’s not a chance the Sox will spend $15M+ annually on a free agent catcher. Not gonna happen.
Ramos is way better..
I don’t see him signing for more than 3/45
After Ramos and Lucroy got so little his is gonna take a hit
Milwaukee.
As a former AA C and a Dodgers fan who watches 150 games a year, I’m THRILLED to see him go. Anyone that thinks this guy is any better then am avg C hasn’t watched the Dodgers much. Especially in close games. Give him any sort of clutch AB and it’s a guaranteed K or dbl play. In blowouts he’ll hit .300 all day long
Yasmani has been in the top 10, usually top 5, catchers in all of baseball for the past 5 years. Not too huge of a drop off from Realmuto (1.00-1.5 WAR?).. Considering how many teams are always catcher hungry, he should have no problem getting 4/60.
Lucroy isn’t a great long term comp, he kind of blew up and faded quick. Yasmani has quietly and efficiently been a steady plus contributor who’s hit 20+ HRs 3 years in a row, something Lucroy only managed once.
Grandal is going to end up pulling a Moustakas. Two years for $12-15m (maybe 1/20m for a team that gets desperate) sometime in February. Then he’s going to have another good, not great year, and end up signing a deal not as good as the 4/60 he was offered by NYM.
I think his time in LA has clouded his judgement. I’m guessing he’s both overvaluing himself AND expecting to go to a postseason-guaranteed team.
He’s good enough to be protected by other legit stars surrounding him, but on a team where he’ll be expected to be a top-3 producer? He’s not that guy, and his catching isn’t good enough to make up for the gap.
This is where his problem lies. The teams that are a lock for the playoffs don’t need to overpay him (in whatever their judgement of that is), because he’s not an impact player. The teams that will stretch to meet his ask are likely fringe playoff contenders (NYM more on the fringe side), thus not fulfilling his want for the playoffs. Angels would have been an interesting team to overpay (and keep him in LA), but the Lucroy deal nixed that. I’d say that was his best bet, outside of the NYM offer.
Well, I’m part of the 13% haha
I doubt the Mets offered 4/60. Probably just a false leak by the Grandal camp.
If you are right, the leak makes Grandal look bad.
Considering that everyone is saying he will get less than 60 Million at this point, I’m not sure how it makes him look bad?
You just answered your own question by your opening line. A fake leak like this is more telling that the player wants more than the actual offer rather than settling for two-thirds of the $60-million.
The upside for Grandal to leak that fake rumor would be Hey don’t offer me your crappy $40 million offer I’ve already denied $60 million why would I accept so much less. So at a minimum it’s a fake way to act like he needs over $60 million. Which I don’t think it will happen unless the Phillies lose out and try to prove they actually have money to burn.
If he really did get offered 4 years @ $60 million from the Mets he should have taken it. Unless he just didn’t want to play for the Mets and money isn’t his biggest factor. I don’t think he’ll see that money from anyone else. I’d be surprised at least.
I’d rather keep my prospects & pay Grandal the 4/$60m, at the prospect price the Marlins have been allegedly asking teams for in a JT deal. Thing is, I wouldn’t give Grandall $6o million either.
My guess is something like 3 years and $35 to $40 million with an option of some kind. Teams might go to 4 years if the money is around $50m. This new market is hard to read, but the feel is that teams aren’t shelling out money on long term deals unless you’re under 30 or a stud like player. Grandall could be a bit of an enigma in that notion as he’s a well rounded catcher who is 30, and well rounded catching is one of the harder things to find (or develop) in baseball. It wouldn’t shock me if he did get paid by someone. Maybe even the Dodgers if they miss out on Manny or Harper.
The Mets did well going Ramos at 2 years and $19m oer Grandall at 4/$60m.
The Dodgers made the QO knowing he would pass. Yas wants a multi year deal and the Dodgers wants the draft pick. One subject that I don’t see in any of the comments: I think the pitchers have difficulty pitching to him. Frequently, you would see them step off to have him go over the signs and they didn’t seem to be on the same page. I think he was at $9mil with Dodgers and I can’t believe he will get over $12 mil for three years. He should be happy with $10mil for whatever years.
Yep. Dodger pitchers HATED throwing to him.
Grandall is truly a horrid catcher. Dodger management didn’t trust his defense, Dodger pitchers begged to throw to someone else. At least he does hustle to run down all those balls that always get by him.
But he can hit .270 for ya, so go for it!
people point to his framing skills
and just forget the fact he overdoes that so much he is consistently the leader in passed balls and hair plugs
and his offensive skills are good for maybe a total of a month and half of torrid hitting spaced over the early part of the year
from the left side he’s a monster when hot but probably shouldn’t even hit RH
he’s a 30 yr old coming off two flaccid embarrassing performances in the playoffs and apparently can’t sustain a full season
both recent campaigns he was SO BAD he was benched for austin anemic barnes lol
if the mets actually offered that contract then he absolutely blew his best payday ever