With shortstop Didi Gregorius set to miss a large chunk of next season, the Yankees are reportedly in the market for the best infielder available, free agent Manny Machado. But in the event the team loses out on Machado, general manager Brian Cashman is casting a wide net in his search for infield help. “I’ve talked to [agent] Danny Lozano about Manny, I’ve talked to the agents for Freddy Galvis. I’ve talked to everybody, from high end to low end,” Cashman said (via Bryan Hoch of MLB.com). “This marketplace is deep on second basemen. I have a shortstop that we’re playing at second in Gleyber Torres, so how does this play out?” As Cashman implied, the Yankees could easily slide Torres to short to cover for Gregorius’ loss. In doing so, they’d perhaps be able to add one of the many veteran second basemen available in free agency, though no one from that group would move the needle nearly as much as Machado.
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- The Mets have picked up standout relievers Edwin Diaz and Jeurys Familia this offseason, but given the struggles of their bullpen in 2018, they could still use more late-game help – particularly from the left side. However, after the Mets agreed to a deal with Familia on Thursday, GM Brodie Van Wagenen “downplayed” the possibility of the club adding a high-profile southpaw, Mike Puma of the New York Post writes. It seems the Mets won’t be the next team for either Zach Britton or Andrew Miller, then, but Anthony DiComo of MLB.com points to Tony Sipp and familiar faces Jerry Blevins and Oliver Perez among potential targets for the club.
- While the Yankees have now marketed Sonny Gray for quite some time, the club is still sifting through offers. “A bunch” of rivals remain interested, per AGM Michael Fishman, who tells Hoch (Twitter link) that some possible deal scenarios would involve major-league assets coming back in return. New York’s reportedly seeking “high-end” MLB talent for Gray, despite his subpar performance in 2018.
- There’s no room anymore for Gray in New York, yet the Yankees could still pick up another starter this winter to join an already crowded staff that includes Luis Severino, James Paxton, J.A. Happ, Masahiro Tanaka and CC Sabathia. With that said “it sounds like there’s little optimism” the Yankees will acquire Corey Kluber or Trevor Bauer from the Indians, Marc Carig of The Athletic tweets. Either Kluber or Bauer would bring back a haul in return, and with a farm system that has taken some major hits via trades and prospect graduations in the past year, it doesn’t appear the Yankees will emerge from the offseason with either righty. Speculatively speaking, Yankees third baseman Miguel Andujar would make sense for the Indians after the latter traded Yandy Diaz on Thursday. However, while the Yankees are reportedly “open” to moving Andujar, giving him up would create another hole in their infield at the cost of improving a rotation which already has at least five viable options.
Sonny Gray’s Home/Away splits were Coors Field like.
Cashman will get something good
Good luck with that…one year of control on a rebound pitcher. He better not press his luck too far…got a lot of mid tier guys floating around and even guys like Alex Wood apparently available in trade
Cashman wanted Trammell AND Barnhart from the Reds is what I heard…for a guy that’s a season and hits FA.
Barnhart? No. A guy that gives you 5-6 days of effort for a guy that gives you 1out of 5. Here’s what I think…Yankees can’t wait to unload him but ask for the moon in return. Seeking “High End” talent coming back in return for a guy that had a rough year is a NY diamond broker trying to pedal off an emerald for a diamond in the rough…say NO Reds…
Cashman just signed 5 SP’s pushing Gray to 6th aka off the team.
Every other team knows Cashman has zero leverage, he will NOT get something good.
Exactly which 5 pitchers did he sign……the Yankees have the luxury of waiting for the market to come to them which is exactly what Cashman is doing.
No rush…..
Not moving fast enough for your taste….well that tells us something doesn’t it!
BS…there are plenty of other starters out there that will give you what Gray would…he’s a Yankeee till camp breaks…
Gray going to angels i feel it.
Lynn, a similar pitcher, just signed for 3/$30 mil. Teams looked beyond his ERA and saw value. To say that other teams don’t see the analytics coupled with his upside and low cost (1 year/$9-10mil) is simple minded.
Also, value doesn’t always mean top 100 prospects. Yanks got Hicks for a middling back up C. Voit for Chasen Shreve and a minor league relief pitcher that didn’t crack their top 20 list.
Let’s just wait and see.
Southbeach… Definitely. Always trust Cashman. Fully operational death star.
“Teams looked beyond his ERA and saw value.”
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lol
No. Take the “s” out. Not plural.
One desperate team did.
This contract could well prove to be an albatross by early June.
2019.
“It blew up, Death Star did”……Obbie-Wan Dombrowski
3yr/30M is very cheap for a SP. No matter how bad Lynn does i dont think that contract will ever be considered an albatross.
Dude neither of us is an mlb reporter. It was mentioned here that he had multiple offers of 2 years. Why does that idea rub you the wrong way? You think the Twins are that stupid that they would offer 3 years to Lynn and there were no teams they were competing against?
lol
In this case……
The Twins aren’t the stupid one.
dude
Oh hello Lynne singed with the Rangers not the Twins.
And yes people think the Rangers were stupid to go three years. No one else went three years by the way. That is why the Rangers got him.
Only AFTER it obliterated an entire planet…Obi Wan wasn’t around to see the fireworks either…perhaps he should get his ticker checked like Dipoto? Lol
Sorry….all forced up must I be……
OTOH, Cashman, more like “Revenge of the Nerds” than “Revenge of the Sith” , looks he……
What’s OTOH
Voit and 500k
on the other hand….
My apologies. He was in a Twins uniform and I just had them on the brain. My point is that the Rangers offered him 3 years because it was stated there were 2 year offers on the table,
What you and I think is irrelevant IF the Rangers thought they had to go 3 years to get him.
Often people on this site act as if these GMs are operating in a bubble. Almost all GMs would like to offer as few years as possible but often have to go past that to get the guy they wanted.
One of those is CC Sabathia also, a guy they don’t want out there vs any team which can hit and they have to wonder when his knees are going to fall off for good. it’s no offense to him, he’s just getting old and is about half the guy he was 5-6y ago.
I wonder why they bothered to give him either a MLB deal and THEN an 8m one so soon after the season. they have made major additions to the rotation and Cashman had to know then he was going to target it. He’s got people to cover that last spot and can still target another front end guy, rather than trying to trot Sabathia out there regularly again and hope.
CC still had a good 2018 (3.65 ERA/4:15 FIP). Why this eludes people I have no idea.They brought in two guys to push CC back to the #5 spot. He had cleanup surgery on his knee and there’s no reason to think he can’t produce 150 IP of 4 ERA ball. You just saw Lynn get 3/$30 and CC had a better year. What’s the big deal?
@johnsilver
Yes Sabathia is a concern.
I believe an Indians team of about 10 years ago was the last one to get through a season only using their top 5 starters. Need at least 7.
For all the talk we hear of vaulted arms in the Yankee farm system, it appears their FO saw what people watching closely saw in 2018 – Jonathan Loaisiga, Chance Adams, Luis Cessa, Domingo German and others may have potential, but that may be in the bullpen. They were over-matched as starters above the AAA level.
Would think Lynn’s deal a big over payment also and guessing many GM’s agree. A NL pitcher in the wrong league without benefit of getting to face a pitcher every 9 batters now.
Sabathia is still serviceable vs non hitting teams, will give him that most of the time. For 8m? Not me. I’d just as soon run lefty brian Johnson out there at 600k if need a 6th starter and the NYY have people like that without giving Sabathia 8m and his still creaky knees that much.
Reds did it in 2012. Cueto, Bailey, Latos, Arroyo and Leake started 161 of their 162 games. The 1 start that wasn’t by them was the day of a double header.
He’s had good games and bad, He beat Boston, Angles, Nats, Indians while allowing 1 run or less. He also had a few bad games. However, he’s a #5 pitcher and that’s what you get. Why is CC’s 1/$8 mil a big deal to anyone? At least we know CC can handle NY and will give us his best effort.
Chance Adams had one start total and it was in Fenway. Very small sample size and a very difficult first start for the man. Loaisiga, really wasn’t that bad until he got thrown into the bullpen. He had a 3.00 ERA before he was thrown into the bullpen.
Johnsilver CC is obviously not half the man he used to be , probably 1.25 x the man he was.
Unless the yankees go to a 6 man rotation to keep arms fresh all year, teams are thinking outside the box look what the rays did last year..
Teams should get several key OP (Openers) rather than paying a premium for SP. that’s the future of pitching in the MLB: pitchers pitching 2 IP max. That will be better for matchups and to keep the arms fresh while not spending 20-30M per year on a single pitcher who will have TJ surgery eventually.
They could do that with CC actually since this ha his last year utilize him out of bullpen and rotation.
God, I hope not.
There’s already talks of teams doing just that. Currently the 6th starter is a spot starter/long relief guy.
And yet, he always does.
Unfortunately you have no idea what you’re talking about. He will either end up with a “b” prospect with some up side or a middle relivers that makes the 40 man roster.
BS he has 11 teams that want Gray. Cashman must it learned “ Art of the Deal” from Trump Train #MAGA Rock on!!!
Get a decent prospect for Gray and flip them with Andujar for Kluber or Bauer. Take on Kipnis contract to entice why also fill our need. Then we go sign Machado who will move to SS after this year and go after Arenado in a trade next year. Arenado is arbitration eligiable next year and not FA until 2020, but we can trade for him contingent on him signing a contract extension with us. Because 3B players that are at the defensive and offensive level are slim. I like Didi but he will demand big dollars, and Arenado better than Machado at 3rd anyways. Rarely do Yanks trade while negotiating a contract extension but Arenado would be worth it. Because him and Bregman will hit FA same year. Truely no defensive and offensive 3B that has played to a high caliber in current years since Adrien Beltre…..to the caliber late in their career. They are a rare breed.
Or trade Didi this year to a contender where when he returns will he significan, sign Machado and package a huge haul for Arenado that rockies cant resist. Combine prospects from Gray and Didi trade, along with Frazier, Abreu or whoever else. Would give us Arenado for 2 years then and Machado our SS
Then we go sign Marwin Gonzalez a switch hitter super utility guy with postseason experience…..big hits, to play first. Trade Bird lame ass
You’re hilarious
Didi is coming off a TJ. His trade value is at the lowest point right now. He will need to prove he is fine after the TJ before his trade value is good. So, he’s going to have to have a great half year entering his free agency.
Cash already mentioned he wants to extend Didi past 2019. Not sure if he wants to see his health before then but he did state that in a recent interview during the winter meetings.
Why are you still here
I don’t know why are YOU?
He doesn’t like the name “Lint licker” so he’s trying to get banned. (again?) Random
Sure enough, proved right, in the next thread
I guess the good news u can discount DV’s on this site even more, with at least 3 shills (four if “uppercase” Xabial hasn’t been banned yet)
Hang in there x….
Many of us are sick of these clowns.
Going back outside in minus 5 temps to watch meteor shower.
Good luck with your finals, xabial. You’re going to do great!
Thank you!!! Team NO SLEEP
I remember those days, staying up all night and living on caffeine lol. I’m getting ready to enter an excellorated Masters program and I’m already nervous about the finals and midterms haha. I hope you ace your finals and get some rest. Also, Keep Calm and Ignore the Trolls!!!
Big Dan!
“I want a top player for a one year rental, who will be paid over $11MM coming off a bad year… oh and I’ve publicly stated I want to trade him” – Brian Cashman
“And I have 11 teams interested in Gray.” – also Brian Cashman.
Having multiple teams interested helps with leverage. The more people wanting something, the more it’s worth.
Sure…. why not 15 teams? Eleven sounds better.
Thank you, well said…it’s nothing more than Yankee arogance…
Which is why so many teams are contacting the Yankees looking to trade for Gray….
contacting means nothing
Why is it arrogance when several REPORTERS are saying that many teams are interested in Gray? It’s like anti-Yankee fans believe everything said about every other team aside from the Yanks. For the Yanks the entire industry lies on their behalf. Ridiculous.
There may be many teams interested in Sonny Gray, but not at the price asked. Asking the Reds for a Top 25 prospect in mlb is nuts. If they keep asking for the moon, you will still have Gray in April.
My bet is the Yankees get a lotto ticket prospect at best at this point for Gray
xabial I wish you would actually look at the teams he faced on those road games….
He pitched on the road against the Orioles 3 times and the Royals once…He should pitch great against the 2 worst teams in baseball…take away those 4 and he wasnt that good on the road either!
Trust me other teams can get the information I can as well! Those road splits do not mean anything.
Well he is still a rental that had a rough season and 10 mil isn’t cheep per day
This is true: relative to the 10, 2018 fWAR leaders, his away ranks were –
8th – ERA
4th – FIP
9th – K/9
9th – B/9
That’s excellent.
YANKEES!!!
Broom Hilda will be landing in SF Saturday to front the Harper negotiations.
The hildabeast ?
Slevy, This guy is probly one of his burners…
Check his response to me in the previous thread if it doesn’t get removed first lol.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
I guess I’m not worthy of MLBTRs version of the children of the corn.
Singing Helen Reddy songs.
I’d like to see Arizona jump on the chance to get Sonny Gray but it looks like NY is asking for way more than they’d likely be comfortable with
The price will come down, give it time.
How do any of us know what he might ask for? He bought low on Hicks, Voit and Didi. All of those were either change of scenery guys or the team had depth at that position. It’s clear Cash isn’t looking to trade Gray for a middling prospect tho., It’s not being treated as a salary dump. One guys trash can be another man’s treasure.
Way more than ANYONE would be comfortable eith!!
At one point a Grienke for Gray and Elsbury made a ton of sense but no longer.
Greine NEVER playing in NY. He can’t handle the pressure just like Gray can’t or Burnett couldn’t and neither could Johnson. That’s why they are on his no trade list.
So Manny or Galvis? Yeah….that wouldn’t be a disappointing second option if Manny is your first.
You forgot Adeny Hecheverria
You could live with .250 BA (Yea said BA) and elite D
He was always a favorite in Miami. But that is a different beast. Not much expectations in Miami.
He was a fan favorite in NYY too. Have yet to see NYY fan dissatisfied with his performance. Debatable, he should’ve started elimination game over Andy, but results were exceptional. I’ll try to find insane play link made in playoffs.
Found it mobile.twitter.com/Yankees/status/1047683782730383…
I’d be more than happy with Hecch. I’d rather they focus on Harper over Manny anyway. Yanks need a power lefty in their lineup.
Exactly, the Yankees really need Harper, a left handed power bat in that line-up will help compensate for just good SP.
I believe it will happen with Harper as a Yankee in 2019. I can take only so much of the lame rumors of him going to the White Sox, Phillies, Dodgers, Giants etc etc.
You lost me when you said BA. Yankees just released Torreyes last month. He’s a career .281 hitter and plus defender all over the infield.
If that doesn’t get it through to you that BA doesn’t matter, I don’t know what will.
While it is true that BA doesnt hold the same value as it used to, BA isnt a completely useless stat. How often you get a hit is pretty important. Because, you know, you need to get hits to win.
Since the 2011 season, the team leading MLB in runs scored has led MLB in BA (2016, 2017, 2018), or been a VERY close (like, 1 point away) second.
True but u still need the other numbers for context. 250/350/500 is better than 280/310/320
Yes but if you’re not getting a decent OBP from either then I’ll go with the one with the higher BA and glove.
There’s is absolutely something to be said about hitters that can put the bat on the ball. After all. OBP is batting average plus the ability to get on base via a walk.
If they signed machado, moving andujar wouldn’t really create a hole.. Machado could move to 3rd and they can just use wade or a defense only SS because the lineup would be stacked.
It seems crazy that Machado or Harper wouldn’t end up with NYY. A lot of pieces to still move for them
Cashman is delusional
So is everybody against the world but that never stopped anyone
why is he delusional because he wont give a proven top of the rotation pitcher away for peanuts? remember former San Diego Ace Ed Whitson? he couldnt handle New York Either.. and went back to San Diego and became your Ace again
seems to me the ONLY DELUSIONAL ONE IS YOU
some people just cant handle the pressure of being expected to win..
like Sinatra said ; if you can make it there you can make it anywhere…new york…
some just cant handle it
Funny stuff.. I remember Ed Whitson.. him as his 90mph FB.. He only did decent in that mausoleum known as jack Murphy stadium where all flyballs went to die.
Cringe
What about Tulow ? #2 mold maybe can fill the gap till DD’s back?
What could the Yankees get for Sonny Gray?
Maybe an Amazon gift card?
Ooh, my favorite Christmas present!
Remember you said that Reflect when he is traded and come back on here to back up your comment
Ray,
Agita
No room? 5 starters? I have seen less explosive things burning a match by a gas can. All 5 of those are a pitch away from blowing out their arms.
I can understand CC, Tanaka, and Paxton being injury prone but what makes you think Severino and Happ are potentially a pitch away from an injury?
Cuz any pitcher is
They why point those Yankee pitchers out specifically?
Chris Sale and Clayton Kershaw are as much of a risk for injury in 2019 as any of those Yanks mentioned.
The Yankees have no room for sonny gray but they are in the market for a starting pitcher. It seems like no matter who it is, the Yankees are always attached to be a free agent even when they say they have no room for anymore.
No interest in Oliver Perez us Mets diehards really don’t like that guy.
True dat!
Mets fans would boo his ass out of Citifield.
As a Mets fan I’ve spent my whole life making jokes about Oliver Perez coming back. Never thought it could or would actually happen lmao.
All this talk about Harper getting a $400 million dollar contract is just that, talk. Bryce Harper is a good player but not great and if he finds a team willing to give him that much it’s safe to say the GM from that team will be losing his job within the next three years. His numbers don’t add up on the field and it doesn’t take a genius to see that so I’m sure GMs around the league see it. Machado is a better player than Harper and it’s he who should be dictating the market for hitters. If I’m the Yankees I stay away from both. I believe that Andujar is going to be a star in the league. Sign a decent 2B to fill in until Didi gets back in June and sign a nice bullpen piece or two like Ottavino and maybe re-sign Robertson. They can get both of those guys for less than it would cost to sign Machado.
Andujar already is a star in the league.
Yankees seem to be trying their best to ruin him.
Does anyone ever research before they make statements like this guy is better than that guy?
From 2016-2018
Bryce vs Manny
Off WAR- Harper ranks 19th to Manny 26th
wRC+- Harper ranks 22nd to Manny’s 36th
OBP – Harper 7th to Manny 88th
wOBA-Harper 19th to Manny 35th
ISO-Harper at 20th and Manny 26th
BB%- Harper 3rd and Manny 137th
K%- Harper (21.2%) and Manny (16.2%)
HR/PA-Harper 1:21 and Manny 1:20
Harper is the better hitter overall. Many might be the better player because he’s a SS/3B and provides much better defense.
That being said, Harper might be a better match in YS because he’s a pull happy lefty, something the Yanks lack as Hicks is their only lefthanded/switcher in the regular lineup (assuming Gardner won’t be a starter).
That being said Harper hasn’t been consistently elite aside from his OBP and he has missed a lot of games. However, if healthy I can see Harper maturing as a hitter since he already has great ability to draw a walk.
Javy Vazquez pitched pretty good after he was with the Yanks. CY like. Gray in the NL would be a #1
exactly why Cashman knows he can get a lot for him. Home/Away splits show that gray still has it anywhere but NY
Take away his 3 road starts against the Orioles and his road splits dont look as good! You guys keep saying his home/away splits is what Cashman is selling…3 road games against the Orioles (worst team in baseball) 1 game at the Royals (2nd worst team in basbeall) I would hope to think he could pitch great in those 4 road games! Which he did!
So now we’re going to start looking at the slugs a pitcher has beaten? How many times has Sale and Price beat up on the Jays, O’s and Rays? Do we discount their numbers too?
What successful pitcher DOESN’T beat up on the scrubs? Those games do count ya know? No one is signing Gray to face the other teams #1 or #2 day-in-day out. But if he can dominate the 10-15 bad teams in the league and be 40% effective against the other 15 teams then you’re probably going to have yourself a pitcher that can win you 12-15 games over the course of a full season. How many Boston/NY/Astros teams are there? You send him to a team in the central or west divisions in either league and he can blossom once again.
DO NOT TRADE ANDUJAR!!! He’s the only pure hitter in that entire lineup. Need more hitters like him in that feast or famine lineup. Hitters like him that can hit the ball to all fields with authority are becoming scarce. The rival GMs know his. That’s why everyone is asking for him. Do not trade him. Instead, build the lineup around him. He’s only going to get better.
That’s logical. But not the Yankee way.
Like walking through a toy store with a young kid. In every aisle they walk through they want a shiny toy badly, and abandon the shiny toy they got in the previous aisle.
I saw too many games of Machado’s in Baltimore. If he’s not interested that day, he simply doesn’t play.
I would say that’s the old Yankee way. I personally don’t think the Yanks WANT to trade him unless it’s for a FOR pitcher. I think they ARE concerned with his glove but I don’t think it’s to the point where they feel they must move him. if they can be patient with Sanchez then I think they’ll be the same with Anduar.
4 team trade:
CLE gives: Kluber
MIA gives: Realmuto, M. Rojas
NYM gives: Nimmo, T. Frazier, 3-7 ranked pitching prospect (Kilome, Peterson, Kay or Szapucki)
NYY gives: Andujar, S. Gray, a top 5 prospect (not Floridal) and an 11-20 pitcher (C. Adams, D. Garcia or N. Nelson)
CLE gets: Andujar, S. Gray, NYY 2nd prospect
MIA gets: Nimmo, NYM prospect, NYY top prospect
NYM gets: Realmuto, M. Rojas
NYY gets: Kluber, T. Frazier
Basically, CLE is trading only with NYY and (except for one NYY prospect) MIA is trading only with NYM. The NY teams swap S. Gray for T. Frazier so that NYY has a 3B to replace Andujar for 2019 (and only a 1 year commitment, if they want to re-sign Didi and move Machado to 3B in 2020); Gray gives the Mets some insurance for Vargas melting down again, or a chip that they can turn into a 2019 MLB outfielder.
Not even close enough for Kluber.
Andujar a bidding major league star with two top 15 prospects and Gray isn’t even close for a 33yo pitcher? Keep him. Don’t like that trade for Yanks anyways. Want to keep Andujar.
Everyone want Miguel and Florial. NEVER trade for a guy who starts every 5 days for the 5 tool star Florial will be and we already what Anduar is, should have won rookie of the year
I would bet that the Indians will not trade Kluber to the Yankees unless Andujar, Floridal , Loaisiga ,leads the package offer if the Yankees offered those 3 and Clint Frazier with Deivi Garcia then I would think it would be a done deal
That is the type of trade offer that it would take for the Indians to move Kluber to an American League team.
But I believe Kluber end up in LA headlined by a deal Bellinger or Verdugo
Bauer could end up in Cincy in a deal headlined by Senzel or Suarez
Makes brilliant sense to dump Kluber and backfill his slot with Gray, great way to trim payroll….SMH
They’re not looking to dump Kluber, they’re looking to trade him for a massively valuable return.
Yeah, but not Gray.
Gray still makes half of what Kluber does and it’s not like if they acquired gray he couldn’t be moved again. That being said it’ll take more than andujar and Gray. If the Yankees think they’re getting Kluber they’re giving up Andujar and Florial.
Aw heck, I’ll respond…..
Why would the Indians trade a healthy 2-time Cy Young on a 3-year team-friendly contract, for a pitcher in his walk year trying to reestablish himsel?. Yet again.
They could hunt down Ubaldo Jiminez, get him without trading anyone, and rework him. Again.
Pretty sure Marlins want two ML ready players for Realmuto alone, much more if you include Rojas. Kluber is gonna cost much more than Andujar, Gray and one prospect. However, as a Mets fan I love it, dump Frasier with Nimmo and one prospect to get Realmuto and Rojas….Sign me up!
If I’m the Yankees and I could get Bauer or Kluber and it would only cost me Andujar if I took back Kipnis, I’d have to think very hard about it
If it’s Kluber, sure. But Bauer is not the same as Kluber. Two years of Bauer is not worth five years of Andujar + taking on Kipnis.
What? Kluber/Bauer are on the market???
Sonny Gray will fetch something better than most people think.
He’s younger than Corbin, has a lower career ERA (all in the AL), a sub 3 postseason ERA, essentially the same fWAR, and struggled almost exclusively in Yankees stadium.
All that being said, the market values Corbin as a $20MM+ player.
They payed for the latest version of Corbin which is not the same player. Look up lance lynn if you want to see a guy with similar #’s to Gray.
Gray has a much better track record than either Lynn or Corbin, so it cuts both ways.
Again, Cashman would wisely point to the ballpark splits.
Sonny gray career 900 innings 3.66 Era 3.74 FIP. 7.88K/9 ~3 Bb/9.
Lance lynn. 1134 innings. 3.57 ERA 3.67 FIP. 8.57 K/9 ~3.5 BB/9
Gray did all that in the AL vs. Lynn in the NL.
Making up a lot of excuses here. The numbers are what they are.
Pointing out the different leagues they pitched in is not “making up excuses.”
Clearly, you’re biased, if you’re so adamantly dismissive.
By the way, away from YSIII:
Sonny Gray in 2018 –
3.17 ERA 2.65 FIP 9.89 K/9 2.79 BB/9
Those are ace-type numbers.
He’s in his walk year.
Inconsistent on the mound. A brittle mental make-up. Basically a 2nd division player – putting up numbers if he has no pressure on him.
True, but he’s also not going to cost a team what Corbin, Eovaldi, and Happ just got.
You’re right, he’s going to cost ‘top prospects.’
Pass.
He might not fetch that, but I suspect the offers are better than what “get him off my team” Yankees fans think he’s worth lol.
Yankees should bring Hechavarria back
The Mets should call the Red Sox and discuss a blockbuster. Imagine the Red Sox & Mets working out a deal that sends Thor to Boston. Here’s my proposal:
Mets get: Xander Bogaerts & Rafael Devers
Red Sox get: Noah Syndergaard, Seth Lugo & Todd Frazier
And before people start saying OMG, the Red Sox are giving up too much here, Bogaerts & Devers combined for 3.8 WAR in 2018. Syndergaard, Lugo & Frazier combined for 8.0 WAR. Frazier would be a decent stopgap before Nolan Arenado becomes a free agent after the 2019 season. Plus, the Red Sox are looking to beef up their bullpen as well. How is this not a good trade for both teams??? The Mets could then flip Rosario along with a prospect or two for JT Realmuto.
no way ill trade our ss and 3b…Devers is not going any where…package Xander with non starters for Thor id do
One year of Xander is not going to get anything close to Thor
Why would the Mets do that?
Bogaerts is in his walk year………
Scott Boras is his agent.
I doubt the Yankees even look at Harper…the outfield is already full…u wont DH Harper…
Machado is the better bet…bet even still…stanton and his $260mil or so remaining…
Either Harper or Machado will no question get at least that if not $100mil more. They are bettet spending $ elsewhere. Now the Mets SHOULD be in on both..but wont be…The only acceptable reason they can have to not be in on Harper and Machado is if they say ” we wanna lock up our pitching” But then you better lock up the pitching. I would give deGrom 4yrs/$114mil and then give Syndergaard 5yrs/$132mil after the season.Cespedes is off the books after 2020 so tbis is 100% doable for the Mets. That leaves room for another huge contract in 2020 (Mookie Betts, Mike Trout)
I feel both teams…Mets and Yankees will contend this season….Yanks need to get at least 1 bullpen arm….Daniel Murphy on a 1yr contract to play 2nd while Didi is out and 1B here and there and the occasional DH…professional hitter and that lefthanded…his swing is tailor made for Yankee Stadium. The Mets also need an impact bullpen arm, preferably left handed..Miller would be perfect..Britton wants to close…Tony Sipp should be a fallback….
Now….if they pry Realmuto away from Miami with a package of Rosario,Plawecki,Dom Smith and Anthony Kay….then they could get a 1yr stopgap SS…Galvis..Iglesias…Tulowitzki for $500k seems like a low risk/high reward lotto ticket worth the gamble. Or…they could trade Matz,Lagares,Gimenez and Checchini for Kluner and sign Adam Jones for cheap for CF. Both teams have several scenarios to creatively improve…
But those Syndergaard to the Yankees would never happen….unless one of Severino/Torres…one of Andunar/Sanchez…yes..its wayyyy too much…but thats the only way id trade Thor to the Yanks…for Severino and Andujar…or Torres and Sanchez. Or they could get super creative and do a Thor/Nimmo for Judge/Gray type deal.
I hope your not driving tonight
Pitching depth for any team is vital. I would feel comfortable with the Yanks getting another starter. At some point, Montgomery should be back by mid-July. He was a solid No.5 starter with a sub-4 ERA. Loaisiga might get another look but might need some time in AAA. Was looking good until he got shelled 2 straight games ballooning his ERA above 5.
The Blueprint for the Yanks to sign both Bryce Harper and Manny Machado:
First before I start the Yankees need to hold onto Miggy Andujar and make him a 3rd/1st and part time DH.
In order to do that we need to free up the DH spot for Andujar, Sanchez, a rehabbing Didi, etc.
The Dodgers are currently looking to clear cap space to go after Harper for RF. They have had discussions with Cincy to help them do this. The problem with Harper is he will be most definitely cost approx 35-40mill on the cap per year. The Yanks have a RF who is not very good in LF and is hogging the DH role. Stanton cap hit is approx 22 mil per for next 9 years with an opt out. Stanton may wave his NT for the Dodgers.
I’ll cut to the chase with the 3 team trade:
1-Dodgers send Kemp, Puig, and Woods to Cincy for Homer Bailey.
2-The Yanks will trade Stanton to the Dodgers and trade Sonny Gray to the Reds.
3- The Yanks in return for Stanton and Gray will receive Scooter Gennett.
The Yanks now sign Machado 35/7 years to play SS until Didi returns and then Machado moves to third moving Andujar into a super utility and DH role.
Yanks sign Harper for 40/8 to play LF.
Both players will have opt outs!
3 teams all benefit from this trade!
Awesome trade idea. Scooter can slot in at second and Torres at ss with Machado at third and Andujar DH depending on the pitcher to get more left handed bats in lineup. Stronger defense. I love it. I truly love this trade. Whose with me to make this dream trade reality?
Stanton and gray for scooter gennett? Lmao
Yep but now we sign Harper and Machado!
The Yankees can sign both without trading away Stanton. It’s a ridiculous trade. Stanton and Gray For Gennett? Gray + mid-prospect for Gennett more likely.
Are you at the bar with Dematteo 1982
I liked the Familia deal under the assumption we’d bring in another reliever. This news is frustrating.
Lock up Miller, sign Grandal, anything after that is icing on the cake.
Wrong thread we are discussing the only team in NY.
savage…
Hey Yankees
Please sign Machado
Hey Conner Byrne, you’ve got a typo in your article. You meant to say that they would slide Torres over to short to cover for Gregorius, but you put that they would slide him to second. Just a heads up!
Does anyone see an advantage in CC and Gray splitting games? CC was bad after 2 times through the lineup and Gray was useful for a few innings.
Gray is horrible out of the pen and he sucks at YS. Sucks against good teams. So, perhaps they can keep him to pitch to Baltimore, Seattle, White Sox, and the terrible NL teams.
Is there any reason CC and Gray shouldn’t split games? CC was only good 2 timez through the order.
Don’t be surprised if Cashman doesn’t trade Gray. As stated, they won’t just give him away.
If the Yanks can’t get a return they like, best to keep him. I’d give Gray spot starts on the road and pitch him out of the bullpen at YS. Last season he seemed to pitch effectively in NY when he didn’t know he would get into a game. Which basically seems to establish his “inability” to get outs at home to be a stress reaction, perhaps performance anxiety, due to large crowds not unlike Greinke during younger days in KC.
Once he establishes the New York phobia is a thing of the past, Cashman can move him at the trade deadline to some NL team, for a nice package of players.
The people in this thread are lying. They know Gray will return to a top of the rotation pitcher outside of Yankee stadium but they like every other GM think they can get him cheap. If rather keep him as insurance than trade him for Garbage. Use him on the road to give the other starters an extra day off so they stay fresher. Even if he pitches every 7-10 days he’ll have value
That’s not the way a rotation works guy, Gray is toast.
So you’re calling us liars? That’s sad.