After several days of anticipation, the Mariners and Mets have made what will surely be one of the offseason’s biggest moves official: Seattle has traded second baseman Robinson Cano and closer Edwin Diaz to the Mets in exchange for outfielder Jay Bruce, right-hander Anthony Swarzak, right-hander Gerson Bautista and prospects Jarred Kelenic and Justin Dunn.
Beyond the contractual values changing hands, the Mariners are sending a reported $20MM to the Mets to help offset the remaining $120MM owed to Cano through 2023. That said, the blockbuster swap will still save the Mariners a reported total of roughly $64MM. With the $20MM sum spread in approximately even amounts during the remainder of Cano’s time under contract, per Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic (via Twitter), the move will leave the Mets’ 2019 payroll in more or less the same position it was beforehand.
It’s a stunning move from multiple angles. Mariners general manager Jerry Dipoto denied reports early in the offseason that he was considering a tear-down of the Mariners’ roster but, in the month or so since making that comment, has now traded James Paxton, Mike Zunino, Alex Colome, Cano and Diaz — to say nothing of a Jean Segura trade to the Phillies that is reportedly nearing conclusion but has yet to be formally announced.
Meanwhile, the Mets, who’ve typically operated with a far tighter budget than one would anticipate for a club in that market, are taking on a huge amount of money in order acquire Cano and Diaz, and they still have ample work to do to address holes elsewhere on the roster. The deal is all the more fascinating when observing that newly hired Mets general manager Brodie Van Wagenen was formerly one of the game’s most prominent agents and that the largest contract he ever negotiated was none other than Cano’s 10-year, $240MM deal with Seattle.
Cano, who had to waive his no-trade clause to green-light this deal, will head back to the city where his big league career started and figures to supplant Jeff McNeil as the Mets’ primary second baseman. It’s a tough pill for McNeil to swallow after he hit .329/.381/.471 as a rookie, but he should still be in line for plenty of at-bats. The Mets could well give him a significant amount of work at third base, depending on the organizational plans for Todd Frazier, and McNeil has seen brief minor league work at shortstop, first base and in the outfield as well. At one point, the Mets were reportedly debating the possibility of sending McNeil to Seattle as what would’ve been a key part of this swap, and the fact that they were ultimately able to keep him is a critical factor when taking a step back and even attempting to evaluate the complex transaction.
It’s also important to emphasize that while Cano’s contract, like any 10-year free-agent deal or extension, was an obvious overpay at the time, he’s not an entirely sunk-cost acquisition. Though he served an 80-game suspension following a failed PED test last year, Cano hit .303/.374/.471 with 10 home runs through 348 plate appearances on the season as a whole. Some will point to the suspension in an effort to invalidate his output, but Cano was actually better at the plate upon returning from that ban; in 179 PAs down the stretch, he hit .317/.363/.497.
There’s also been plenty of talk about his defense, but the notion that he needs to move to first base because he’s no longer a quality defender at second base carries little weight. Since the 2012 season, Cano has received negative marks from Defensive Runs Saved and Ultimate Zone Rating just once (2015), and he tallied +4 DRS and a +2.8 UZR in 561 innings at the position this past season.
Of course, while Cano was still an extremely productive player when on the field in 2018, it’d be foolish to simply expect that he can continue playing at that pace in 2019 and beyond. The eight-time All-Star turned 36 in October, and he’s already outperforming the typical aging curve that one might expect for someone who is well into his mid-30s. While he may prove to be an anomalous exception in that regard, history suggests that Cano’s production will begin to deteriorate sooner rather than later. If the Mets were even able to receive two strong seasons out of Cano, they’d likely consider that a victory. There’s little doubt, though, that the final two to three seasons of Cano’s contract won’t be worth what they pay him — even with Seattle picking up a portion of the tab.
Really, though, the trade was less about the Mets hoping to catch lightning in a bottle with the final couple of productive seasons of Cano. For Van Wagenen and the New York front office, this trade was a means of effectively purchasing four below-market seasons of one of the game’s premier young relievers. The 24-year-old Diaz just put the finishing touches on a historically dominant season — 1.96 ERA, 15.2 K/9, 2.1 BB/9, 0.61 HR/9, 44.4 percent ground-ball rate, 57 saves — and missed arbitration eligibility by a matter of weeks. He’ll make less than $1MM in 2019 and can be controlled for a fraction of his open-market price through his three arbitration years.
However, Diaz won’t be the typical bargain that many associate with arbitration-eligible players. His enormous save and strikeout totals should push him into record-breaking territory among relievers, and it’s conceivable that he’ll be paid in the $8-9MM range for his first arbitration season in 2020 — assuming another productive campaign in 2019. Like most arbitration-eligible stars, he’ll still be highly valuable asset, but the real question of this trade is just how much surplus value comes with Diaz and how confidently one can project him to maintain his dominance. One could argue that the four years of Diaz being acquired by the Mets is worth anywhere from $60-80MM (if not a bit more), and considering he’ll be paid somewhere around half that sum, he’s an extremely appealing commodity.
The debatable question is whether that surplus value is great enough for the Mets to both part with prospects and take on some negative value at the back of Cano’s deal. Obviously, both Kelenic and Dunn are exponentially more affordable than they’d be in an open-market setting themselves, and the Mariners feel that long-term value, paired with the subtraction of a huge financial burden in the form of Cano, are worth surrendering one of the game’s better young arms. There’s no clearly correct answer in that subjective debate. In the end, the Mets feel the up-front value of Diaz’s electric repertoire and the remaining productivity Cano has to offer are the more valuable asset.
That, in fact, is perhaps the most important takeaway from the entire scenario. While much of the summer was spent wondering whether the disappointing and dysfunctional Mets would trade Jacob deGrom, Noah Syndergaard and others — thus embarking on a rebuild like the ones the Mariners have begun — the addition of Cano and Diaz at a premium price firmly suggests that Van Wagenen and the Mets’ staff are unabashedly in “win-now” mode. Trade rumblings surrounding Syndergaard persist, though it’s clear that if he’s to be moved in a trade, it would need to be a deal that netted immediate MLB help at another position of need. The Mets are in for a highly active winter, and the organization seems fully committed to keeping up with the emerging threats in Atlanta and Philadelphia, as well as the near-perennial postseason contenders in D.C.
The Mariners entered the offseason with a bloated payroll and an aging roster, but they did so on the heels of an 89-win campaign that saw them firmly in contention for a postseason spot for much of the season. Dipoto and his staff, though, were undoubtedly cognizant of the team’s glaring run differential (-34 at season’s end). Mariners decision-makers were surely aware that there was a fair bit of good fortune that contributed to their sterling record for much of the season. While that reality and a bloated payroll initially led to comments about “re-imagining” the roster in Seattle, the M’s have instead taken a more drastic approach.
It’s a credit to Dipoto and his staff, in some regards, that the team has managed to shed upwards of $100MM in salary obligations (including the projected arbitration payouts for Colome, Paxton and Zunino while also accounting for the contracts they’re reportedly taking back in today’s trades). And, while they’ve stripped away a number of fan favorites and productive veterans from the roster, they’ve also added a significant amount of MLB-ready talent that could soften the blow immediately.
Mallex Smith and Omar Narvaez will be regulars on the 2019 roster, while pitching prospects Justus Sheffield and Erik Swanson should both factor into the 2019 rotation at some point (possibly from Opening Day, in Sheffield’s case). Bautista, acquired in return for Cano and Diaz, will be given an opportunity to claim a bullpen spot. Bautista, 23, averaged 96.9 mph on his fastball in an exceptionally brief MLB debut this past season (4 1/3 innings) and has averaged better than 12 strikeouts per nine innings since the Mets acquired him from the Red Sox in 2017’s Addison Reed trade.
And that doesn’t yet factor in the addition of Bruce and Swarzak — two veterans who, while acquired more to offset Cano’s salary than anything, are only a year removed from productive big league seasons that resulted in multi-year guarantees in free agency. While it’s eminently possible, if not probable, that the Mariners will look to trade both, it’s also at least possible that either could simply suit up in Seattle this coming season and perhaps enjoy a rebound. Bruce could unseat Ben Gamel in left field, and the Mariners’ relief corps is rife with uncertainty at present, creating an easy path for Swarzak to work toward reestablishing himself.
Of course, for the Mariners, this trade is primarily about the opportunity to not only add a pair of recent first-round picks in Kelenic (2018) and Dunn (2016) but also simultaneously jettison half the remaining money owed to Cano (for his age-36 through age-40 seasons). That contract was signed under the Mariners’ previous front-office regime and was likely never something Dipoto’s group was excited about inheriting. And Kelenic and Dunn will add a pair of interesting young talents to a farm system that had previously been regarded as one of the weakest in the game — if not the absolute worst.
Just 19 years of age, Kelenic was selected with the sixth overall pick just under six months ago. At one point, the Wisconsin native was tabbed as a potential No. 1 overall pick, and he’s done nothing to dispel the notion that he was a worthy top 10 overall selection since signing. In his brief time with the Mets, Kelenic hit .286/.371/.468 with six homers, 10 doubles, six triples and 15 stolen bases (in 16 tries) across two minor league affiliates. Scouting reports agree that Kelenic has the potential to be average or better in center field, and he’s already ranked comfortably within the game’s Top 100 prospects by MLB.com and Fangraphs.
Dunn, who turned 23 in late September, tore through Class-A Advanced opposition in 45 2/3 innings this season, posting a 2.36 ERA with 10.1 K/9, 3.0 BB/9, 0.39 HR/9 and a 39.3 percent ground-ball rate. His ERA jumped to 4.22 in 89 2/3 innings of Double-A ball, but he averaged 10.5 strikeouts and 0.7 home runs per nine innings pitched at that more advanced level — all while seeing his ground-ball rate improve to 45.1 percent. Dunn did average 3.7 walks per nine innings in Double-A, so there’s some work to do on his control, but he’ll instantly become one of the Mariners’ more intriguing pitching prospects.
In the end, the Cano/Diaz blockbuster, while fascinating, is impossible to accurately judge at present. While everyone will surely formulate his or own opinion of the deal as presently constructed, there are too many trickle-down effects that will prove critical when looking back at the deal down the line. Can the Mariners further unload some of the money owed to Bruce and/or Swarzak? Will either rebound? Is Kelenic a star in the making or one of the countless drops in the bucket of “what could have been”? Will Mets ownership finally give its baseball ops staff the resources commensurate with the team’s market size, or will the addition of Cano’s contract prove prohibitive when pursuing additional win-now maneuvers? All of these will factor into the calculus of this trade when looking back on it six months, a year and five years from now. What’s immediately clear is that this is a legitimately franchise-altering transaction for both organizations — and it’s unlikely that either is anywhere near finished with its offseason roster shuffling.
SNY’s Andy Martino reported last week that the Mets were being “aggressive” on Cano. Yahoo’s Jeff Passan tweeted that there was “significant momentum” toward a trade that would send Cano and Diaz to the Mets (Twitter links). Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reported that Kelenic and Dunn were being discussed and that an agreement between the two teams was close (Twitter links). Martino tweeted details on the package, reporting that Bruce, Swarzak, Kelenic and Dunn would be in the deal, and Bautista could be the fifth player. Joel Sherman of the New York Post confirmed Bautista’s inclusion. Passan added further clarity on the financial component of the trade (via Twitter), while MLB.com’s Jon Morosi tweeted that Cano had officially waived his no-trade clause. Fancred’s Jon Heyman tweeted the exact package, including the money changing hands.
xabial
A move that could backfire or pay dividends years to come for both teams. Only question is.. what does Jerry get (if any) for Jay Bruce and/or Swarzak. You know Mariners will end up trading those2 for more prospects!
Slevin
How does this move pay dividends for the Mets? Why’d you change up your post?
jdgoat
They compete because of these additions….
joepanikatthedisco
They won’t get more than a bag of balls for Bruce. He’s a wooly mammoth: big, lumbering, and endangered. 2.6 bWAR in the past 5 years and 2761 PA making upwards of $10M/year… nobody wants THAT.
petrie000
“A move that could backfire or pay dividends years to come for both teams”
now there’s a hot take for you….
mcmillankmm
If Swarzak pitches well they should be able to get a good player for him at the trade deadline, probably will have to throw in cash too
JKB 2
The M’a are not getting prospects for Bruce or Swarzak. Dream on
Randizzle
This has turned into the Mariners trade rumors website. Today is a Segura trade. Tomorrow will be Kyle Seager and Mitch Haniger. Wednesday will be Mike Leake. Stay tune.
xabial
Leake is prototypical typical #4-#5 starter. My money’s on Leake next-in-line to be traded, after Kyle Seager
BuddyBoy
I don’t think Seager gets moved due to his contract
dray16
I think Seager sticks around as well.
baseballpun
I think Seager has STL written all over him if they miss out on Goldschmidt. Particularly if Fowler is included.
xabial
If Longoria can get traded, believe Seager (younger than Longoria) can get traded.
Seager’s owed $49.5 million over the next three seasons, and entering age-31 season.
Longoria was owed $88 million over next four, and 32, time of trade. Even after bad contract of Span, SF took $60.5 million in obligations. More than Seager’s $49.5M
Slevin
Not even close to a “Typical #4-#5 starter” lucky to crack a rotation. Better at shoplifting.
xabial
Leake’s made 30 starts seven consecutive seasons, That’s definition of #4-#5 starter.
Leake’s lowest WAR, during past 7 year span: +1.4 WAR (2012) and +1.6 WAR (2015)
Every other year, he was worth 2.0+ WAR.
Never had negative WAR in career. Career low of +0.8 WAR came when he was a rookie!
fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=10130&posi…
titanic struggle
Reds fan here, and no…Leake wasn’t very good at shoplifting, he was caught. But be was the Reds most consistantly pitcher for about 5
years. He’ll eat innings and get beat up every now and then, but he always had decent numbers at the end of the year…definitely a 4-5 starter.
Christian Larsen
Quite accurate lol. Thank god for agro Jerry
sameichel
They won’t trade hanigar he is only 27, he the guy they will rebuild around
sameichel
Haniger
bigkempin
Segura is 28 on an affordable contract and Diaz is 24 and pre arb. So What does Haniger being 27 have to do with it? Dipoto also said that he wasn’t going to trade Diaz…..Haniger is gone if the right offer comes to the table.
Altanta Barves
Well, at least the Braves don’t have anything to worry about. Cano is on the sharp decline and Diaz will have about 10 games to save all season because they’ll never get him the ball with a lead. Just ask DeGrom.
Christian Larsen
They’re one more trade or free agent signing from changing that. Still a long offseason
Bill
Sharp decline? Where’s the evidence to back up that claim?
bryan c
Bet you’re happy about signing Mccann & Donaldson, huh? Mccann is 100 in catcher years and Donaldson has one arm. Worry about your own team.
Dodgethis
Lol @ you. Braves have yet to prove they are a team to beat, and Cano has yet to show decline. Your wishful thinking and obvious projection are laughable at best.
realgone2
Honestly, does this really make the Mets better?
lowtalker1
It doesn’t on the cano front
He is playing gm agent game
Going big for names
He is doing a 14-15 aj preller
realgone2
Yeah that’s what I was thinking.
connorreed
Robinson Cano put up a 3.2 WAR in half a season last year. He hit better after returning from the suspension. His OPS+ would’ve ranked third last year among Mets players behind Nimmo and McNeil. He’s as good a defender as anybody in the Mets infielder.
You’re delusional if you think Cano doesn’t make the Mets better.
baseballpun
I think it makes the lineup better for the next couple years.
lowtalker1
Makes the line up better?
They just took on a lot of money to have cano who is declining to play 2nd but could have had lowie for a lot less
This team will align behind Atlanta and Philly in next years finally standings
metseventually 2
Declining yet still putting up a plus 750ops with positive DRS
WestCoastSoxFan
This is good analysis. Except Cano isn’t declining at all.
Day1Mets
Sorry in advance, but this is a stupid question. It absolutely makes them better. Cano is, at worst, the Mets top 3 hitter in 2019 and Diaz is a top 5 reliever in baseball…
lowtalker1
One bat doesn’t fix the issue
They could have gotten lowie for less. Then had more money to get other players. This will be a huge mistake. Phillies moves and Altanta moves made sense. This one doesn’t
Day1Mets
They actually have more money to spend this winter after this deal. That’s why they sent Bruce and Swarzak. Also, you’re completely forgetting about Diaz.
Dodgethis
Atlanta has yet to make a significant step forward, and are the same garbage team they have been for well, decades now. Phillies hopes seem entirely pinned to landing major free agents, yet none have shown a desire to play there. Mets are at present equal with both of those clubs, and have much more money to spend than either. Find a new bridge troll.
WestCoastSoxFan
Atlanta just won the division a couple months ago. How does that make them a “garbage team”? You might want to think before you refer to others as a troll….
paulkauffmann
It’s not Cano that was main component to this deal it was the two prospects for Diaz I absolutely take Cano for Swarzak and Bruce are you guys serious!
Benjamin560
Try best hitter currently. He’ll beat out McNeil, Nimmo, and Conforto this year. Diaz is so much fun to watch. It breaks my heart to see him leave. At least we got Kelenic. So I can stomach it a bit better.
WestCoastSoxFan
Absolutely it helps the Mets. They just added an elite 2B and an elite closer for a couple long-prospects and a couple roster spare parts. It’s the Mariners who don’t seem to be getting any better at the moment.
petrie000
yes
unfortunately it only really cements their position as the 4th best team in that division, though, so whether it was worth paying through the nose in terms of prospects is the real question
WestCoastSoxFan
It certainly doesn’t cement them as the 4th best team in the division. And they also aren’t done assembling their roster for 2019. If they can keep that rotation healthy and get the good Cespedes back mid-season? They could make a lot of noise. They could certainly be in the hunt for a playoff spot if their cards line up properly.
petrie000
i’ll believe they’re gonna do more when they actually do more
until then, keeping their rotation healthy and keeping Cespedes healthy are two things the Mets historically have not proven that great at doing, so as it stands now they added one good (but old) hitter and one reliever to a team that sucked last season.
i’m afraid i don’t have nearly as much optimism about their chances as you do, especially since i consider Atlanta, Washington and Philly all simply better teams even after this deal.
WestCoastSoxFan
It’s December 3rd. They have 3+ months to make more moves. They seem to be going for it this year, so don’t expect them to stop here. I’m not totally sold on any of the other teams in this division and I think it looks like it could be very competitive next year(other than the Marlins, of course). At a minimum the Mets are better than they were at the end of last season. We’ll see what else they have in store….
petrie000
again, whatever they may or may not do we can talk about when and if they do it. It is indeed December 3rd, and the Mets, right now, on paper, are the 4th best team in their division.
If we’re evaluating this deal without injecting completely unfounded speculation about future moves (good or bad), the Mets gave up their best trade chips to acquire a very expensive and very risky package that nobody seems to actually believe makes them contenders.
are they better? yeah, sure.
Was it worth the price they paid? That’s a matter of opinion, but if the defense is ‘if they combine this with other future moves and big spending and a lotta luck’, etc, etc…. well, logic would say a good deal stands on it’s own merits.
WestCoastSoxFan
I’m not sold on the Nationals or Phillies at the moment. The Mets probably have the best pitching in the division at this point, too. As of right now, the Braves are still the favorites in the division, but the Mets, Phillies and Nats are a toss-up after that. Those 3 teams finished 5 games apart in 2018 and the Mets have only narrowed that gap since.
petrie000
It was a pretty freaking huge gap, to be frank. Even with the best pitching in the division.
WestCoastSoxFan
Not really. As I said, the Mets, Phillies & Nats all finished within 5 games of each other in 2018. The Mets have only narrowed the gap with the Cano/Diaz move since.
petrie000
You saying it was a 3 team race that did not include the Mets a second time does not make the argument any stronger
They narrowed the gap, sure. but considering how big that gap is, they have a lot more narrowing to do. Especially after the Segura deal and now the Corbin signing
paulkauffmann
The only team they are behind is the Nats at this point We will see what happens if they are serious win now mode because we do have pitching and it keeps getting better with Diaz
petrie000
If you honestly believe that then there’s no point trying to use logic on you since you seem to have already built up an immunity.
stretch123
Stupid stupid Mets. Cano will be irrelevant within the next two years (Albert Pujols 2.0) and Diaz will be the closer of a team that can’t even make the postseason…
Slipknot37
I like this trade from the mariners. I’m interested to see what the mets do in the next few months. This trade alone doesnt make them any better than last year. And to me, they look like the Padres, giants, and maybe dbacks since they lost 90 games the first year as teams that have tried to contend and just didnt get better at all. Itll be interesting to see what signings or trades they make. But Diaz is an elite pitcher to get.
connorreed
They lose Jay Bruce, who hit .223/.310/.370 with poor defense in 94 games, and Anthony Swarzak, who posted a 6.15 ERA in 26.1 innings.
They added Edwin Diaz, an elite closer, and Robinson Cano, who posted a 3.2 WAR in half a season and is still a Top Five second baseman.
I can’t even understand the logic behind you claiming this trade doesn’t make them any better than the team they had last year. You cannot honestly believe that Jay Bruce & Anthony Swarzak are equal to Robinson Cano & Edwin Diaz.
Slipknot37
I would still like to see other moves before I can say this team will be better. I thought the Padres and giants would be better when they added, but they still lost 89+ games. Mets aqcuired a second baseman who was being considered moving to first base and is 36 years old. Diaz is elite. He was dominant. And like others have said, they have more holes to fill. They didnt need to aqcuire cano
thegreatcerealfamine
I don’t understand at all what the Mets are doing. They’ve got a a lot of holes to fill, catcher, first, center, left is shaky, and third isn’t exactly top notch. Are they really gonna trade Thor and rob from the rotation their strongest area? Does anyone really think they’re gonna spend big in FA to fill needs? WTF are they actually doing?
realgone2
None of it makes sense.
thegreatcerealfamine
A 36 year old over payed second baseman, who probably won’t be able to play the position much longer. They should’ve just traded deGrom and Thor to collect assets for a rebuild. Being a Mets and Redskins fan has got to be brutile.
WestCoastSoxFan
They still can trade deGrom and Syndergaard if they want. In the meantime, they are going for it. If you don’t think this trade helps them in 2019 and 2020 then you aren’t paying attention.
Day1Mets
Exactly. I get the criticism for the Mets Long Term (the Cano money/prospects), but this puts them in a much better position to contend in 2019-2020. 2-3 more pieces and they will contend.
alien
we only need to fill catching position and setup man.. Maldonado and Miller.. we are good at left.. (conforto) and Alonso at first..
Maybe somehow pull off trade Realmulto.. package him McNeal, Dom Smith, and Plawecki..
thegreatcerealfamine
Alonzo hasn’t played game one, Cespedes injury, Todd Frazier is meh at third, BP arms. That’s not even close to getting them Realmuto. Don Smith is horrible, as is Plawecki, and the the Marlins don’t want an aged inexperienced player in McNeal.
People talk about Yankee fans..geesh
connorreed
A Realmuto trade is going to take a whole lot more than that!
Plawecki – Decent defender, but a terrible hitter and is extremely injury prone. The Marlins won’t put much value on him – he’d simply be a placeholder at catcher.
Smith – yeah, yeah, he was a first round draft pick five years ago. That doesn’t matter. He’ll be 24 next season. In 105 major league games, he’s showcased awful defense and awful offense (.210/.259/.406). He was even terrible in AAA last season (.258/.328/.380), despite playing in a hitter friendly park in baseball’s most extreme hitter-friendly league. He’s been even worse in the Dominican Winter League this off-season, and he’s done nothing to answer all the questions about his work ethic and conditioning. There’s a reason Mets fans consistently put him in every fantasy trade they have.
The only way I could see the Mets getting Realmuto without giving up at least Gimenez and Alonso is to start with Nimmo instead of McNeil.
phenomenalajs
The way the Marlins are talking, it’s hard to see the Mets getting him without giving up Thor either directly or part of three-way deal. I think that’d be a big mistake.
mordecai
It’s not terribly difficult to see where the weaknesses are, either. In no particular order, the Mets have concerns to address in these areas:
1. Catcher
2. Relief pitching
3. Rotation depth
4. Outfielder depth
Day1Mets
You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about. The Mets have work to do, but not nearly as much as you’re saying.
jekporkins
I think this was a rare win-win for both teams.
The Mariners got out of that contract and actually made a bundle on the deal, considering Cano’s value over the first few years of the contract was worth millions more than they spent. Sure, they had to pay millions and include Diaz, but they got out of the depreciating years of that contract trying to figure out how to play him just because he’s making so much $$$ (cough Pujols cough) and grabbed a couple prospects to boot.
The Mets got a closer for the foreseeable future, an all-star 2nd baseman with something to prove, and got out of that terrible Jay Bruce deal.
thegreatcerealfamine
Out of the frying pan and into the fire.
lowtalker1
Seattle gm is out there hustling
RedRooster
Weird trade. Definitely like it best from the Mariners’ POV. They shed a bad contract (or at least most of it) and somehow manage to add a couple of top 100 prospects
marinerfan
Just don’t trade Haniger. Please!
Danny B.
Why not??? He’s already 28 y/o and by the time the Mariners are any good again, he’ll be past his prime. Might as well sell him now, while his value is up and get some elite prospects.
justin-turner overdrive
Nah they should, they’d get a top 20 MLB prospect, easily. He was MVP-level last year but no one cares about the Mariners – nor should they, they havent sniffed the postseason since 2001 when everyone knows the most basic of rebuilding methods can get you there in 3-4 years. 18 years without October? Pathetic.
Christian Larsen
Predictions on Seager’s new team. I’m thinking Padres
lowtalker1
Won’t happen
lowtalker1
Padres were interested in segura not Seager
RedRooster
Could still see a swap involving Wil Myers, Kyle Seager and a couple other names.
lowtalker1
Why would aj or ownership sign off on that?
If anything they would get a low cost guy to align against ty France in the spring
larry48
No hitter would want to play for Padres. Pitcher maybe
RedRooster
They aren’t going to be able to trade Myers for a “low cost guy” unless they throw in Tatis or Gore.
mordecai
I have to agree with Randizzle…..Seager is prob next in line to be traded and it could be any day until that happens, then maybe Dee Gordon if they are in complete rebuild, and it seems like they are every pricey veteran would have to go
SaltandPepper
Mets had third worst bullpen ERA in baseball and fourth worst defense at second. Díaz greatly improves the bullpen and Cano improves the defense at second base plus he can hit. The Mets definitely got much better in 2019 from this but still need a lot more this offseason to catch the Braves.
larry48
Braves played better than they were last year, we be about 10 games worse in 2019.
Rich Hill’s Elbow
Tired of hearing about the M’s, can’t someone else do something? Surely Dipoto can’t keep the hot stove warm all offseason, right?
petrie000
it’s Jerry Dipoto. His ability to make deals is second to none
his talent for it it still kind of up for debate, unfortunately
joepanikatthedisco
Can we stop saying Cano is “sharply declining” until the statistics begin to support that claim? Sure he’ll probably end up at first, but for now he is a firmly above-league-average 2B on both sides of the ball. And we have no idea whether now that he “can’t use PEDs anymore” he will be injury prone. Not true for N.Cruz, Marte, or Colon, who have all been eminently healthy and effective post-suspension. The worst case scenario for Cano is a Braun-type regression, in which case he’s overpaid but still decently productive and a marketable name.
Day1Mets
You’re making too much sense for the type of people who post here. If you read through the posts, you’d believe Cano batted .150 and made 2 errors a game last year..
justin-turner overdrive
Cano was on pace for a 6 WAR season last year, whoever is hating on him is a massive idiot.
joepanikatthedisco
Gasp! How dare you mention b*tting aver*ge on an analytical, intellectual site such as this!!
Yanks2
What was the point of Swarzak? His stats are terrible
brianakabigb
$$$
OCTraveler
Seager to the Dodgers for one of the Dodgers outfielders (Hernandez, Tolles or Pedersen) and an arm; Turner moves to second base where he’s played in the past; Seager joins his brother on the left side of the infield
heater
Kyle Seager isn’t that valuable. The whole issue with him that’s been written over and again is the size of his contract.
justin-turner overdrive
Stupid move when LAD has many 2B options in house who are better than Seager.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
“…the organization seems fully committed to keeping up with the emerging threats in Atlanta and Philadelphia, as well as the near-perennial postseason contenders in D.C.”
You’re forgetting the Marlins!!
No… Wait…
goldenmisfit
This video right now on the surface appears like a pretty good transaction. But when the guy is 40 years old and there is no designated hitter in the National League you will hear their fans revolt saying how awful of a deal this wise.
justin-turner overdrive
Jerry Dipoto is a disgrace to the profession and Kim Ng would have had this team in the playoffs by now.
bryan c
The move is odd, but it saves the Mets money over the next 2 seasons overall while putting a good Cano at 2nd and adding a potentially elite closer for 4 affordable years. Provided Cano can hit .275 and knock between 15-20 HRs each of the next 2 years, he fills in well and there is little reason to think Diaz regresses to the point of not being worth the value. The Mets have virtually nothing committed to 2020 in salary so the Cano contract is less likely to truly hinder them in the future like some are trying to sell here. If the Mets turn this cash savings into additions NOW, yes, this helps the team quite a bit. They still need a catcher, a right handed bat, and 2 BP arms. They need to parlay the savings into these holes and then they are in the mix. Diaz value nearly makes up the cost of Cano. While there are other closers on the market, tough to say which could equal this on paper.
If, on the other hand, they just put the extra cash in the bank and sign fillers, totally different story. As I said before, we have tons of offseason to go before this story concludes.
MarlinsFanBase
What is everyone’s pick for Mets fans to start complaining about Cano and his contract, and complaining about the prospects that were traded away?
I’m picking June 2019.
Day1Mets
How the Marlin’s doing? Asking for a friend…
connorreed
They’ve already been doing that lol. Most don’t seem to realize that Cano is still a Top Five 2B.
It’s crazy to hear how vocal many were about the front office last year. Complaining that they refused to make any moves to be competitive and were wasting deGrom’s talents.
So what’d they do?
They traded a 19 year old prospect (along with one solid and one decent pitching prospect) and dumped two bad contracts in exchange for one of the best 2B in the game and four years of an elite closer.
But now they’re complaining about that.
It seems a lot of Mets fans want ownership to make the team better without signing any crazy contracts or trading away prospects. I don’t get it.
xabial
Cool stuff, on why Canó picked to wear No. 24:
“Blockbuster is official. Robinson Canó will wear No. 24 with the #Mets, just as he did with the #Yankees. It’s reverse of the 42 worn by his namesake, Jackie Robinson. Wore No. 22 with #Mariners because Seattle retired Ken Griffey Jr.’s 24.”
mobile.twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1069661775…
Danny B.
I’ve been reading a lot about how Cleveland would love to get out from under Kluber’s contract and with the Mets interested & the Indians wanting a young, controllable OF, I think the following proposal works.
Mets get: Corey Kluber
Indians get: Brandon Nimmo, Juan Lagares, Gavin Cecchini & David Thompson
The Indians get their young OF in Nimmo, a couple of mid-level prospects but the key to this deal is the Mets ridding themselves of Lagares’s $9.5 million. With the Mets saving even more money by getting rid of that contract and with the openings in the outfield, the Mets would have the funds to sign Bryce Harper. The Mets could then turn their attention towards trading Syndergaard to the Padres. This proposal is fair for both sides:
Padres get: Noah Syndergaard & Travis d’Arnaud
Mets get: Manuel Margot, Austin Hedges, Chris Paddack, Michel Baez, Cal Quantrill & Buddy Reed
It may seem like a lot initially but if you dig deeper, the trade is well balanced. The Mets get their catching upgrade, the Mets also get their CF and most importantly, the Mets get to replenish their farm system after their trades with the Mariners & Indians. The Padres are big winners here too because not only do they get a veteran catcher to backup their future catcher but they also acquire the Ace caliber SP they’ve been wanting while only giving up two Top 100 prospects. If the Padres could add Syndergaard to their rotation while holding onto Tatis Jr, Gore, Mejia, Urias and the rest of their Top 100 prospects, they would be ecstatic.
Danny B.
If Brodie Van Wagenen were able to make these moves, the Mets lineup would be set and it would also be quite impressive:
1. Jeff McNeil(3B)
2. Manuel Margot(CF)
3. Robinson Cano(2B)
4. Bryce Harper(RF)
5. Peter Alonso(1B)
6. Michael Conforto(LF)
7. Austin Hedges(C)
8. Amed Rosario(SS)
The Mets rotation wouldn’t be too shabby either:
1. DeGrom
2. Kluber
3. Wheeler
4. Matz
5. Vargas
Oh yeah, before people lose their minds about me putting Alonso ahead of Conforto in the lineup, it’s quite simple, you do that for two reasons. One is to break up the lefties and two is Alonso would see a lot more hittable pitches with Conforto protecting him.
mikeyank55
Theres a simple reason that we think you may have lost your mind; the only way that Wagon Wheel could swing enough to attract Bryce would be resigning from the Mets and going to a team like the giants that would spend the money.
Oh well—there’s always fantasy baseball, right?
Danny B.
The Mets could EASILY give Harper the contract he wants. $350-$400 million over 10 years+. They would only have to back load it by 2 years, that way Cespedes’s contract is off the books and even with the acquisition of Robinson Cano, the Mets currently only have about $55-$60 million in payroll commitments after the 2020 season. The Mets can do some SERIOUS damage this off season if they really wanted to. Tell me I’m wrong because everything I’ve just said is logical, realistic and probable.
DXC
It’s a “win now” move Wilpon-style. It’s basically giving up 60+ mm in future payroll btw 2021-23, and 2 of their top 4 prospects, to upgrade (Cano and Diaz > Bruce and Swarzak) the roster the next 2 years without a payroll increase in year 1 and a 10+ mm one in year 2.
Met fans know the Wilpons and the joy they take in not spending, and the even greater joy they take in appearing to spend when not spending, particularly when recognizable names are involved. Putting aside that nonsense. does anyone really think this is the best set of win now assets the market (of all 30 teams) would yield for the willingness to assume 60 mm in net future payroll 3-5 years hence plus these two prospects?
Y2KAK
Well well well look how the tables have turned