Giants president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi dropped some thoughts on a pair of left-handed pitchers in an interview today on KNBR. MLB.com’s Jon Morosi recently kicked off a round of speculation on MadBum with a report suggesting the Giants were open to discussing him and had held talks with the Brewers and Phillies. Zaidi cast quite some doubt on that characterization, as Alex Pavlovic of NBC Sports Bay Area relays on Twitter. The newly minted San Francisco exec says a peer with another org rumored to have been in touch on Bumgarner cracked: “Hey, I hear we’re talking to you guys about Madison Bumgarner. Should we be?”
Zaidi further joked: “That gives you a little sense of the accuracy of some of the stuff that’s out there.”
A bit more out of San Fran…
- In that same chat, Zaidi gave greater credence to the idea that the Giants could have interest in Yusei Kikuchi, per Dalton Johnson of NBC Sports Bay Area. The club has scouted Kikuchi “extensively,” according to Zaidi, who predicted that the market is likely to build on the Japanese hurler in advance of and into the coming Winter Meetings. Whether and to what extent the Giants will push for a deal remains to be seen, though Zaidi noted that as a West Coast club, the Giants could be a geographic fit for Kikuchi. Kikuchi has until early January to come to terms with a big league organization, and at 27 years of age, he’s young enough that he could be a key contributor for the Giants in a couple of years even if they do embark on some degree of a rebuild over the next year or two.
- In a Q&A with NBC’s Jessica Kleinschmidt, Hunter Pence reveals that he’s heard from “a couple” teams this offseason but has not yet heard from the Giants. However, CEO Larry Baer told Pence that the Giants would be represented this offseason when the veteran outfielder heads to the Dominican Winter League to test out some adjustments he’s made to his swing in an effort to rediscover his form at the plate. Pence discusses some of those changes with Kleinschmidt and unsurprisingly adds that he would “absolutely” be open to a return to the Giants. As Pavlovic notes in an overview of the Giants’ roster, outfield depth is just one of several areas that Zaidi could look to add some veteran help this winter. Backup catcher, the starting rotation and bullpen are among the other ares that seem likely to be addressed.
- The Athletic’s Andrew Baggarly also runs through the many needs facing Zaidi this offseason (subscription required), suggesting that the Giants will look at some “non-splashy” additions to the outfield mix — such as a right-handed-hitting platoon partner for Steven Duggar, for instance. Both Pavlovic and Baggarly point out that substantial rotation depth was a hallmark of Zaidi’s Dodgers, so the organization could look to field a group of options that is eight or nine arms deep (presumably, with some of those options coming on minor league deals and being stashed in Triple-A).
- Despite the changes in the front office, former pitching coach Dave Righetti, who spent the 2018 season as a special advisor to former GM Bobby Evans, will “definitely” have a role with the team, reports Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle. Righetti worked with Evans to help evaluate pitchers during Spring Training, and he also evaluated the organization’s minor league arms and weighed in on some prospects leading up to the draft. Righetti previously spent 18 seasons on the Giants’ Major League coaching staff.
Halos2021WSChamps
Angels get Bum before the winter meetings end .
baseball1600
Giants need outfielders. I would be surprised for them to consider an offer from Anaheim.
Halos2021WSChamps
Take Marsh? Top100 prospect .. Or heck please take Calhoun or Upton
angels fan 3
Upton has a no trade clause
Halos2021WSChamps
Does he have to pay a fine every time he catches a fly ball or gets a hit with RISP?! Cause if that’s the case then that would explain a lot !! (Plus I was kidding about the upton for Bum trade ..no one wants JUp)
RedRooster
And if he’s the type of player who you are saying “Please take him” the Giants wouldn’t be interested in acquiring him in a trade of Madison Bumgarner.
imgman09
Down on Upton
ryanw-2
They can dump Calhoun and replace him easily. But what about Upton? Are you among the school who actually thinks that below average defense completely negates what is actually by far the best production from an Angels left fielder since King Tut built the Great Pyramid? Upton is right where he should be in core the Angels have right now. Trout is the center piece. And it’s not like Trout had any more of a flare for the dramatic himself, as he was terrible in high leverage situations in 2018. That’s just a trend that festered through the Angels offense. Typical pattern in a west coast ballpark. They need pitching. And pitching. And more pitching. Their playoff run a decade ago proved how much of a window for error that tons of pitching depth can create for volatile offense in a pitcher friendly ballpark…
ryanw-2
*Khufu built the Great Pyramid.
Ejemp2006
The problem with Upton is how streaky he can be. You never know when he will go from babe Ruth to Pee Wee Herman, and vice versa. It’s hard to win consistently with such an inconsistent player.
retire21
Was he on Cleveland?
philliephan1
Dude: That’s statement was hilarious and spot on
HaloShane
Ryan Krol, thank you for educating these Halo clowns out. I read their post laughing as I shake my head.
juicemane
Upton is the angels best corner outfielder since Matthew McConaughey!!
gilgunderson
Is Pee Wee Herman what you get when you combine Pee Wee Reese and Babe Herman? Grafting old Brooklyn Dodgers together.!
obsessivegiantscompulsive
I think the Giants won’t mind taking Trout off the Angels hands for Bumgarner. 🙂
olddodgerdogg63
I don’t see the Angels trading Trout, ever! And that’s a shame since they’re wasting his career. I once posted trade Trout to the Dodgers and I was attacked relentlessly by Angel fans. Now, please send Trout and Bum to the Dodgers!
Mike's Trout
Hopefully the Angels don’t want MadBum. Halos need to keep their prospects and get pitching from Free Agents.
Ejemp2006
The Angels need to look around and realize it’s now or never. They’ve got a legit lineup and, aside from the Astros/BoSox/Yanks, the rest of the AL teams are fielding AAA rosters. Go for the gusto, trade the farm to bring in MadBum, volunteer to eat Greinke’s contract, sign Keuchel, DFA Calhoun, sign McCutchen, sign Miller, and sign Kimbrel. Compete for goodness sake. Some of us want to see Trout on the grander stages of the show.
screwball8
Are you saying that Cleveland with kluber, carasco, Bauer in a rotation and an infield featuring Lindor and Ramirez is a AAA roster? And the halos have no farm.. so they won’t get crap trading them. You must not pay much attention to baseball. I think you are looking for the curling rumors page..
HaloShane
Ejeep2006 is your typical lost Halo clown. “The rest of the AL teams are fielding AAA rosters”? Does this make the Angels a AA team then? We can count on them to be 20 games out, under.500, and nowhere near making the playoffs year after year. Dude, your as lost as the organization! Lolzzz
sacball
sorry, A’s lineup is more legit than the Halos
imgman09
Lol ,none chance
draushaus
It would be terrible to see Bumgarner on an AL team. He’s one of the few good hitting pitchers. (Angels already have Ohtani).
JayRyder
There’s Nothing To See Here. . . Move Along. . . . . . …
baseball1600
Yea Let’s Just Capitalize All Our Words… Move Along….
Brian Meyer
MLBTR is actually confirming that most of what we hear is just clickbait bs. I wish writers could actually treat their job like journalism instead of a business these days.
everlastingdave
*Goes to a site called MLBTraderumors*
*Sees rumors and speculation*
WHAT THE
ryanw-2
I wish I could post GIF’s and memes on the app right now.
Samuel
Zaidi further joked: “That gives you a little sense of the accuracy of some of the stuff that’s out there.”
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A number of years ago I was close with a manager of a contending team that went to the WS twice. Was sort of a sounding board.
The stuff in the media – both national and local – was so far off base that it was ridiculous. The manager mentioned constantly to the players that if they saw or heard something about them that concerned them or their families to talk to him, and he would talk to the GM and owner. Most of the players that had been in the majors were used to the speculation and just accepted the craziness. A few liked to jack around the media by making off-the-record comments, then laughing about it with their teammates.
In defense of MLBTR, they are not breaking rumors. They are simply reporting what others are reporting. If one reads this site for even a month, you know the 80/20 rule applies – 80% turn out to be dead ends. The 20% that do come to fruition are covered by MLBTR from start to finish.
In large part due to technology, the media in America are totally out of control. Most now want to be kingpins and players. They are not. We all are learning to take a step back to observe what’s really happening.
acmeants
Hello? This site’s name tells you all you need to know. Don’t expect more.
davidcoonce74
Oh my…”a number of years ago I was close with a manager”. Baloney. You wouldn’t be anonymous if so.
baseball1600
Pence has completely reimagined his swing. Hope something clicks.
jekporkins
He’s reimagined it two years in a row. Let someone else give him a shot. This team already has enough question marks in the outfield without having Bochy feel obliged to trot him out there any longer. I’d love to see him do well in another uniform.
Kenleyfornia74
Im going in. Cover me Porkins
jekporkins
I’m right with ya, Red Three.
pustule bosey
yeah, I think in a post bochy era I would be ok with pence taking a utility role but as long as bochy is there he is going to give the veteran playing time so let’s not give him a guy to do it with.
aussiegiants53
Astros? I don’t exactly want him moved but if a deal makes sense then why not hey, add a RP (Watson) maximise return
baseball1600
Combo of Will Smith and Bumgarner should net a prospect in 40-60 range and maybe some 90-100 guy. I watched Pache in the AFL, really think he has great potential. Hope they giants can get him in a trade with the Braves alongside Allard.
Houston We Have A Solution
Cant wait to read your scouting report on Pache Johnny superscout. Let me know when its typed up. Send the link asap.
baseball1600
It’s just a personal opinion on a player. I watched the AFL, there were certain players who caught my eye. I don’t understand how this isn’t a normal thing to you.
Slevin
Nothing you say or do is “normal” to anyone.
Houston We Have A Solution
Just giving you a hard time man. Nothing more.
Though waters I think will wind up being better than Pache. Waters seems.to have a better approach to hitting.
baseball1600
No worries, I get really over-passionate about the giants on these threads. Just my nature.
aussiegiants53
I wouldn’t want to give Will Smith up but if that’s what it takes to get another prospect or 2 then do the deal, Bum and the Prince to the Astros for Yordan Alvarez, Josh James,Jairo Solis and Brett Adcock
bencole
You guys gotta be outta your mind… Madbum isn’t gonna bring a top guy in the offseason… maybe at the deadline if he looks Madbum of old… but he’s not getting you James or Alvarez straight up, much less both. Smith probably moves the needle a little but not enough. Madbum only has one year of control left. He’s not bringing all that much of anything, man be a 45 FV and a 40.
Astros2333
If the Astros can get him for two-three mid level prospects I’d love to get him with JV and Cole.
Balk
They would have to give up some talent to get Bum before the deadline. In that article he said he would like to do the best he can to get these guys in contention this year too. Don’t kill the messenger, I’m just saying that’s what he said.
vuke77
Twins have tons of outfield on the roster and in the minors. Why not?
nentwigs
Particularly if the Twinkies ALSO agree to take on another contract or more.
MadBum is an outdoorsman – he just might like Minnesota and be inclined to resign there.
MadBum + (Belt OR Shark OR Longoria) and/or Panik.
Twins could offer: players such as: Kepler, Granite, Gonsalves, Mejia, Austin and Addison Reed
baseball1600
I couldn’t be a more biased commenter, but personally i think that if we sign Kikuchi we have a chance at contention. The rotation is our strongpoint, Kikuchi grouped with Suarez, Rodriguez, a resurgent Cueto, and an inconsistent-yet-dominant-when-right Stratton has amazing potential. Key word: potential. Should Suarez reach his ceiling, and Rodriguez to improve off of last year, and for Kikuchi to live off of the hype, the giants have a good rotation. There are a lot of ifs. I don’t know if the giants will contend next year, but I certainly think we improve from last year now with a full season of Duggar, and hopefully some young players acquired from a trade of Bumgarner and Will Smith. Sandwhich those youngsters with knowledgeable veterans who were still worth more than 2 wins last year (Crawford, Belt, Posey, Longoria) alongside some wild-cards such as Hanson, Slater, Shaw, and it’s a decent roster that can hold its own for a WC spot.
Jean Matrac
Cueto will not be pitching, let alone resurgent. Stratton is just not that good, I see him as a spot starter at best. Kikuchi is a start, but they need more than him to contend. I do agree they have the potential to contend, and the team staying healthy would be a big plus in that direction. But if they are going to contend Zaidi is going to have to fill multiple holes.
baseball1600
Stratton was horrific for most of 2018. His curveball looked weird and wasnt the same as it was when he ended 2017 and opened 2018. I understand, but when I saw him in the spring this year, and before that whole paternity leave incident, his curveball was sharp and he was dominating teams. Shut out the Nationals in 2017, also recorded a shut out against the padres right before the whole incident in 2018. When he’s right, he’s got the potential to be a no.3 starter. Also Cueto could definitely comeback around August and give 5-6 starts.
pustule bosey
cueto probably won’t pitch but he did get TJ late in the season, so timetables could have him come back at the end of the season – though unless the giants are really in contention or on a run, I don’t see it. kikuchi definitely could move the needle in 2020 though – cueto was dominant before his elbow freaked out (until the last couple of starts was carrying an era under 1) so I don’t see why he woudn’t come back strong.
arc89
1600 sounds like the Giants previous management thinking they will continue to be good getting older. Problem is age catches up to all teams. Signing 1 pitcher will not make the Giants contender or even signing a Harper. The bullpen is very weak. 2 starters are out. Posey probably only plays half his games behind the plate. You have holes in the outfield and players coming off career bad seasons. Madbum will not be traded in the off season but the Giants will wait until mid may after he shows he is back dominating again and get a top prospect for him. Its a gamble but Giants management will take the gamble.
CCCTL
TJS recovery time is more like 16-18 months for players *under* 30, and Cueto went under the knife in the later part of the season.
Claiming Cueto will be back before the end of the 2019 season is a more than a bit Pollyanna-ish. Before the end of 2020 is more realistic.
Cashford64
“The bullpen is very weak.”
Huh? The bullpen was easily their biggest strength last year.
It’s the offense that’s been horrible. To even think about competing next year, they need two impact corner outfielders and probably an upgrade at 2B as well, and at least one solid starting pitcher.
Jean Matrac
16 to 18 months to return from TJS is extremely conservative. Yes, there are some guys that take that long but the normal time is 13 to to 15 months, Will Smith returned last year after 13 months. Cueto had surgery in August, Best case for him would be a return in September, but my guess is he won’t pitch in 2019. I have no doubt though that he should be ready by ST 2020. Him returning before the end of 2020, assuming you mean late in the season, is unrealistically pessimistic.
pustule bosey
yeah that is why I said that he could return at the end of the season but unless they are on a run, I don’t imagine that he would.
Balk
What I think the Giants are up to with Bum is that I doubt the want to give 160 mil for 6 or so years if he has a bounce back season, Queto isn’t due back till August or close to, with that being said, without bum Queto becomes the ace, they won’t move him unless a package comes around they can’t refuse. Keep Bum and see where your club is at the deadline, by then Queto is slated to return, if they are out of the running trade bum and you have Queto. If you’re in the running keep bum, contend and lose him or agree to new contract.
CCCTL
Cueto will not return by the 2019 deadline. Who the hell are all these giants fans listening to if they think that a standard TJS recovery time is 12 months? 16-18+ is much more common for *young* players.
Balk
Don’t know where you get your theory, 12 to 14 months big guy. Expected to return August or September barring any set backs. nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/johnny-cueto-undergo-…
baseball1600
Another key to contention is injuries. The giants played with a rotation led by Derek Rodriguez and Derek Holland last year, and still fought their way through the division and were 5 games out of 1st by the trade deadline despite having virtually no proven starts other than Crawford and the ailed Posey. Belt and Longoria missed chunks of time, as did Panik. McCutchen was traded by August after a massive let-down of a performance, and the Giants were around 8 games out by mid-August. Still, it was a reasonable effort by a team that had a rotation full of guys who didn’t make the opening day roster (or were surprise additions from spring training.) If Bumgarner was 100%, Belt didn’t get injured, and we got a full season of Cueto, that’s around 6-7 wins WAR-wise, and that’s not even including the fact that Posey played injured for the entire season and only didn’t have surgery because the giants were still clinging on a playoff berth. People act like Longoria hit .220, or that Belt has no value. This a team that would have finished at or near 500 if McCutchen wasn’t traded in August and Posey didn’t sit out all of September to have surgery. They almost intentionally lost most of the September games.
baseball1600
Giants lost all but 5 games in September, not many people realize that when they look at their 2018 record.
Ejemp2006
Would of, could of, almost this and that. Fact is the Giants tried to win with a steroid era methodology of bringing in a bunch of older guys to compete in what has become ever increasingly a younger man’s game.
mrnatewalter
I could see the Giants structuring a deal for Kikuchi similar or identical to Kenta Maeda’s, especially with the documented shoulder injury. 8 years, 25M (3.125M AAV), with a boatload of incentives.
Mike's Trout
Lol! Kikuchi is going to cost more than 3.15 million per year.
mrnatewalter
Of course he is, and the incentives in his contract, much like Maeda’s would push him well beyond the 3M a year mark.
Maeda made 10M in his first season, about 6M last year.
Mike's Trout
Lots of teams are looking for pitching. I think he gets closer to 6 mil guaranteed per year.
Ejemp2006
Lots of teams are looking for pitching so they can piece together enough innings to make it through dumpster fire rebuild years. Not many teams are trying to increase payroll or even legitimately find pieces that help them compete. 6 mil per for a pitcher without any MLB level proof of skills? There’s like seven teams trying to win a WS this year and none of them look primed to pay that much for someone who couldn’t crack their rotation.
baseball1600
I agree the contract would need to be a little bit more, but “a lot more” is an overstatement considering it’d be loaded with incentives. Probably 8/50 with incentives and an opt-out.
Nevrfolow
Trade Posey before it’s too late. Just as we waited too long to deal bum.
baseball1600
Poseys value couldn’t be any lower than it what it is right now.
jekporkins
He’s also got a full no-trade clause and has fully committed to the area. He’s in ads all over the place. He doesn’t want to go anywhere. Frankly, I don’t think the Giants would trade him anyway. He’s as much the face of a baseball franchise as any current player in MLB.
Ejemp2006
My crystal ball reveals something, it looks a lot like Joe Mauer but no no wait this is a look into the future, oh okay it’s coming in a little more clearly. Yes, it’s Posey. Playing a passable first base. Making solid contact with not much power and riding out several long sunset years as a one team wonder.
pustule bosey
I think it is more than that, you have bart on the way up and garcia who came up at the end of last year, both those guys need mentoring if you are ever going to slide posey out and give him more time at 1st – everyone says pull posey now but there is no reason to do that unless injuries dictate it – better to have him mentor the young guys as they come up and then let progress take it’s course if in the next couple of years you have posey acting as a backup catcher and bart proving himself as a day to day guy is that really so bad?
jekporkins
Except that Posey won three World Series and is still playing catcher, and will for another two years. My crystal ball says he’ll probably play one year at 1st before the contract expires and Bart makes his way into the lineup.
Mauer was playing first base by the time he was 28, He also had a contract that paid him more (if you can believe that),
arc89
Bart is not even close to being ready. He was only in A ball last year. Best case is mid season 2020. Posey’s injury is very bad for a catcher. He probably only plays half his games behind the plate. Giants had a great run not sure why their fans think they can keep up that pace which no team in the last 40 years has done.
jekporkins
Read my post again – I’m predicting Bart comes up when Posey transfers to 1st in his last year of the contract, which is actually 2021.
We Giants fans don’t think they could keep up the pace – it’s been four years since the last World Series win – so there is no pace to keep up with. What we do is try to have positive vibes for the team. We could sit and wallow in despair if that would make you feel better.
Balk
Posey won’t EVER be asked to leave. Nope! Not going to happen! That dude has three rings, and a Giant for life, plus he’s still one of the best framers/catcher in MLB. Nope
antsmith7
Frazier, Adams, Bird for Bumgarner
Ejemp2006
That would be cool. The Yankees are at least one big arm away from seriously challenging the BoSox. And I’d be happy to see MadBum on any contender, even if it has to be the evil empire Yankees.
aussiegiants53
Don’t know what we would do with Bird, sub him with an arm like Michael King and id possibly do that deal
Jean Matrac
Maybe, if you substitute someone other than Bird. Including a guy that is not that good, perhaps even superfluous, and not an area of need for a team with lots of other needs, isn’t going to entice the Giants to part with Bum.
mrmariner
Has Kikuchi been officially posted yet? I heard he was going to be posted by now, but haven’t heard anything about that having happened.
claude raymond
Bum gets traded late July or not at all. Case closed
Ejemp2006
Please someone please liberate MadBum from the dumpster fire Giants. This guy is a post season big stage world shaker who is collecting dust in October instead of shining. I would love to see the Nats give up some of their prospects for him so we can see a classic rotation try to take down the upstart Braves.
baseball1600
Yes why not watch Bumgarner get eliminated in the NLDS while in Washington. Dumpster fire giants won 3 rings with him.
Ejemp2006
Won is a past tense verb my friend.
pustule bosey
won will always be a past tense. no one is constantly winning the WS.
restingmitchface
He was a “postseason world-shaker” in 2014. That’s going on five years ago.
restingmitchface
That doesn’t mean he couldn’t do it again, of course. But how many teams are gonna dream on his ‘14 postseason “heroics” in December of 2018? Probably very few. Which is why I think Farhan hangs into him until July, lest he gets an offer that blows the Giants FO away.
RedRooster
Trade value only goes down as his club control dwindles and the acquiring team loses the right to QO him
restingmitchface
That’s another good point.
Teams aren’t placing as much value on one year of control as they used to.
jekporkins
It completely depends on the situation.
Example: The Yankees got Gleyber Torres and three other prospects for Chapman two years ago. They were desperate for a dominant closer to take them over the hump. Gee whiz, it got them a World Series trophy.
If the Yankees are 4 games back of Boston by the deadline this year, Bum is having a great season, and they are desperate for a starter with postseason dominance, the Giants would get more than Frazier, Adams, and Bird.
RedRooster
Cubs could have gotten Chapman without giving up Torres. They had other good prospects, the Yankees had to trade Chapman and no one else offered anything close to as good.
Willy Mays
What does that even mean. The Yankees did get Torres. You have no idea what anyone else offered and you don’t mention these prospects the Cubs could have offered and it wouldn’t matter anyway because they offered Torres.Jet made the point that at deadline a team can mop up in the right circumstance and he’s right.Another example is Cespedes. The Mets rented Cespedes for the playoff run and gave up Fulmer
RedRooster
The Yankees had to trade Torres. They weren’t just going to not trade him if they didn’t get exactly what they wanted. All the Cubs had to do was offer a better return than anyone else and as far as I know, they and the Indians were the only ones who were in on Chapman. Idk what the Indians offered but unless the Cubs genuinely couldn’t beat it without giving up Torres, they overpaid.
“… you don’t mention these prospects the Cubs could have offered…”
m.mlb.com/prospects/2016?list=chc
jekporkins
Read what you just wrote and tell me if that makes any sense. First off, the Yankees traded FOR Torres. Second, the point of trades is to get the best return, so I have no idea what you’re trying to point out. To say they overpaid is moot – they did the trade to get a closer and it got them a World Series title. I think they’d do that trade again in a heartbeat. That’s the whole argument we’re saying about waiting until the deadline – you could get a team that is more desperate to have a game-changer for the playoffs and will pony up a better package.
RedRooster
I mean the Yankees had to trade Chapman. In the end, the question is “What was the second best offer and could the Cubs have beaten it without giving up Torres?” If yes, they overpaid. The Yanks weren’t just going to not trade Chapman if they didn’t get Torres.
jekporkins
How do you know that? He was actually expected to be traded, actually, because Chapman was set to become a free agent at the end of the season and had rebuffed the Yankees’ interest in a contract extension. That’s almost a direct quote from the NY Times.
The Yankees traded Andrew Miller less than a week later for Clint Frazier and Justus Sheffield.
This is proof that teams will give up blue-chip prospects when they need to in July. I mean, these are for relievers, so imagine what the Giants could get for an ace starting pitcher at the deadline.
BayAreaBravesFan
MadBum definitely in a non-Giants uni come 8/1/19.
SheltonMatthews
We don’t call it San Fran. It’s San Francisco, SF, or the City.
Dagoat
With all due respect thats a lame correction…and i live there.
its_happening
Is this a media problem or a a leadership problem?
It’s reported Bumgarner could be on the trading block. Ok, fine. Yet the Giants are in the mix for Harper and Machado? Which is it? Bumgarner can’t be traded if they are all in on Bryce and Manny.
If the Giants are sending mix signals this could become an issue down the road. Maybe not now, but eventually.
Cashford64
Why not? The Giants could very well trade Bumgarner for a package of prospects (perhaps along with a major league ready starter to replace his spot), as well as sign Harper. Bumgarner is going to a team that is banking on going all the way in 2019. Wherever Harper ends up, it’s going to be his home for the next ~10 years, so it doesn’t necessarily need to be a team that is in “win now” mode.
That being said, I don’t think anybody thinks the Giants are a likely landing spot for Harper (and I’ve never heard them linked to Machado at all), but if it could possibly be done, wouldn’t the Giants at least entertain the idea?
its_happening
Rhetorical question, right?
If they are dealing Bumgarner, don’t bother signing Machado or Harper. Don’t even think about it. Dealing Bumgarner means dealing away any shot at the playoffs this year. San Fran would still be in the business of contending in 2019, and with Arizona rebuilding it means 1 less team in their way and 1 more team to pound during the season to boost the overall record.
Cashford64
Like I said, wherever Harper or Machado sign, they will be with their new teams for a long time. It’s quite conceivable that a team could sign either of them with plans of continuing their rebuild 2019-2020, and then being contenders for 2021-2028, or something like that.
Again, I don’t think it’s likely the Giants go this route, but it’s silly to think it’s not worth considering. Big stars bring in big revenues for a team, regardless of wins/losses.
pustule bosey
the giants have said that they aren’t in the mix for machado and haveonly checked in on harper like everyone has. there is no issue
its_happening
So then the question to my answer is the media.
pustule bosey
no, it is a user error problem, giants media hasn’t put any of that info out – maybe general “baseball talk”has supposed things but they do that on every team.
Dagoat
Hands down scherzer is better.
And if you’re gonna bring up peak Kershaw. Then you should only be comparing him to peak scherzer. And there’s no comparison scherzer is a better pitcher. don’t even need to look at stats for that
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
I thought Hunter Pence would have been a great fit for the Orioles.
He could fill in the hole in for RF until players are ready, he could provide leadership and energy to a team who sorely needs it.
I still feel that way, but no one else really agreed with me
Still…….
Jean Matrac
Hey I agree with you. It’s a fit in the sense that Pence is not going to a contender and the Orioles have no expectation of contending. And wherever he goes he will supply the leadership and energy that you mentioned
billysbballz
Yanks have to seriously consider Kikuchi while gushing Madbum market. Forget Kluber as the Indians who plan on contending are not going to trade him to the Yankees without getting a small fortune in return making it a one sided deal when all said and done. Madbum arm scares me with all the recent injuries and miles on it. Kikuchi is intriguing and will not cost prospects or a draft pick? I wouldn’t give more then a top 10 prospect and a few top 20 for Madbum and I would not include Abreu or Florial or even Frazier in that deal!
GarryHarris
The Giants have been plagued by the injury bug. If everyone was healthy last season, the team would’ve been right in the playoff hunt. The Giants aren’t going to trade their high cost veterans and get much in return. I think they should go after speed in all positions those high cost veterans are not occupying. It would protect the pitchers and give more opportunities for those vets to drive in runs. I would target 2B and all the OF positions.
tonysbrewcrew00
What’s Wrong with Upton?
Central Valley
I don’t understand what so many teams are talking down on Madison Bumgarner. There is still very much upside to attaining him for a team serious about going all in for 2019. Yes, he’s had a couple injuries. Not major surgeries such as Tommy John. He’s cheap, still young and would be a great addition to any pitching staff looking to take the next step. I have a feeling the teams that pass on him will regret it next year. His type don’t come around very often.
Kraz Nadler
Bumgardener is injury prone and wildly inconsistent. Basically a no show when the playoffs come. Pence can absolutely rake when he is on. He will land on a multiyear deal
Cashford64
Most insanely stupid comment of the day.
Congrats 🙂
jekporkins
Kraz, I have a question… what color is the sky in your world?
Central Valley
You must have bumped your head this morning? Bum is still the pitcher I want on the mound, in the bright lights, on the big stage, when a must win game is on the line in the post season.
People talking about his “injuries” like he’s coming off shoulder surgery, Tommy John, a torn ACL etc. Bumgarner will be back to full strength next year. Teams can keep their garbage prospects thinking that’s enough for the caliber of a pitcher Bumgarner still is.
Teams will regret their decision to offer trash for Bumgarner. Meanwhile, teams are signing pitchers that have had real injuries and haven’t done squat on the big stage.
Jean Matrac
Since this post can’t be taken a face-value I have to assume this is sarcasm.
Corey W.
Braves are perfect fit. 1yr left on deal and both parties would I think be interested in an extension if all goes well in ’19 (He’s from NC and Braves have a TOR need).
SF has no pitchers in the top 100 prospects and just 2 hitters… and coming off a 73 win season… Time to rebuild.