Nick Castellanos enjoyed the best offensive season of his career in 2018, posting a robust .298/.354/.500 batting line with 23 home runs, good for a 130 OPS+. He was the best hitter in an underwhelming Tigers lineup, making him a natural trade candidate as he enters the final year of arbitration eligibility. While his offensive profile leaves little to be desired, there is, as always, a caveat: Castellanos is a liability in the field, whether at third base, where he began his career, or in right field, where he started 142 games last season. After transitioning to right late in 2017, Castellanos did improve in 2018 when given the opportunity to play the position full-time – his UZR/150 innings improved from -57.6 in 2017 to -12.3 last season – but he remains an underwhelming defensive performer, and therefore best suited as a designated hitter with an American League club.
If the Tigers plan to deal Castellanos, and they’re said to be “determined” to do so, now is the time. Even if teams are less willing to surrender significant pieces than they might have been a year ago, when he still had two years of team control remaining, he will still be just 27 years of age during the 2019 season, and the single year of team control can be an asset. If Detroit can’t find a match, there is an argument to be made that he could attract a more robust market in July when half of his 2019 salary has already been paid, especially if he continues on his upward trajectory. Regardless, the Tigers, who will almost certainly find themselves well outside of playoff contention in 2019, would likely prefer to cash in now, if only to avoid the worst case scenario of an unceremonious (and uncompensated) free agent departure next winter. The rub here being they need to find a trade partner.
After trading away Matt Kemp and Yasiel Puig, the Dodgers could certainly add an outfielder, and they happen to be the most recent team linked to Castellanos. Carrying more traditional platoon splits than Puig, Castellanos fits as the right-handed impact bat the Dodgers reportedly seek. Still, the scuttlebutt around Los Angeles paints two different pictures: one where the above trade clears the necessary payroll to approach big fish like Bryce Harper or A.J. Pollock, while the other tale insists management plans to dip under the luxury tax again in 2019. If the latter is true, Castellanos would be a reasonable (and considerably cheaper) alternative.
Much like the Dodgers, the Rays have plainly stated their intentions to bolster their lineup with a right-handed power hitter. Recent acquisition Yandy Diaz might be that guy, but they’ve also been linked to Cardinals’ slugger Jose Martinez and free agent Nelson Cruz, both of whom would fill a similar role as Castellanos. On the other hand, C.J. Cron provides a similar profile at half the cost, and the Rays non-tendered him. Even if the Rays’ value Castellanos’ “versatility,” or simply, if they (understandably) believe him the better overall hitter – it would still be quite the leap to pay Castellanos twice as much as Cron, while also giving up a prospect to get him.
With Michael Brantley, Edwin Encarnacion, and Yonder Alonso all donning new uniforms in 2019, the Indians need to replace a considerable amount of the offensive production that carried them to another AL Central title last season. Couple that with their need in the outfield and Castellanos seems a natural target. Still, with the recent trade that brought Jake Bauers and Carlos Santana, both 1B/DH types, to Cleveland, there may not be room for Castellanos if they don’t like his defense in right. As a trio they could rotate between first base, right field and DH, whether that means Bauers in right, Santana at first and Castellanos at DH, or Castellanos in right, Bauers at first and Santana at DH. Add Bradley Zimmer to the mix when he returns from injury and manager Tito Francona would have a defensive option for right to mix-and-match with as well. Whichever particular permutation Francona likes best, there’s enough playing time to keep everyone fed. Given the Indians’ reluctance to add payroll this offseason, however, Castellanos may prove too costly. As a short-term rental, his $11.3MM projected salary is palatable – the prospect cost may be a bigger deterrent, especially if Detroit charges an intra-division premium.
Same goes for the Twins, who with their surprising amount of free payroll space are dark-horse players for many big name free agents/trade targets. They have been tied to Cruz as a free agent for the void left at DH after Robbie Grossman’s non-tender, and they should know Castellanos game intimately, for better or for worse. Max Kepler and Eddie Rosario are penciled into the outfield corners, but both are flexible players who can move around the diamond a little as needed to make room for an impact bat. Besides, the Twins are lapping the the field in the number of players in need of a PR re-launch, so adding Castellanos to a lineup already featuring Byron Buxton, Miguel Sano, Cron and Jonathan Schoop keeps the Twins on brand. Still, just because someone likes butterscotch doesn’t mean they only like butterscotch, and it might be the Twins have enough [big-bodied right-handed sluggers] butterscotch on hand already.
Returning to the NL, the Rockies or Giants could theoretically find room for Castellanos as a platoon bat, but the best fit is probably Atlanta. The Braves have an open spot in their outfield if Nick Markakis signs elsewhere, and they’ve checked in with the Tigers about Castellanos. But the same questions abound for the Braves as would any National League team. Namely, does Castellanos’ bat make up for his poor defense, and if not, is the $11.3MM price tag plus Detroit’s prospect ask too much to pay for a platoon/bench bat? For non-contenders, almost certainly not, which limits the field of potential dance partners for Detroit. The free agent outfield market is fairly barren, however, and considering the left-leaning rotations among contenders like the Dodgers, Cubs, Yankees, and Red Sox – plus Patrick Corbin in Washington, Kyle Freeland in Colorado, and Blake Snell in Tampa – there should be no shortage of pennant hopefuls capable of putting a lefty masher like Castellanos to work.
halos101
angels an underrated fit. Would provide insurance in case calhoun sucks again and can be used at 3rd also. Ik his glove is not good at either position and Eppler loves defense, but offense needs to improve and he would do that.
Pab
It crossed my mind too but given the type of pitchers the angels have and with them leaning on their infield defense, I can’t see them sacrificing 3B for more offense even though they’ve needed that bat for awhile. Hey it’s the angels. You never know
halos101
good point on the ground ball pitchers
Boogaloo
Angel’s, lol.
I have never seen such a stubborn organization.
ITS OVER, TIME TO REBUILD. MOVE ON.
The teams got a mediocre offense.
A pitching staff thats a disaster.
An average minor league system.
Just trade Trout and rebuild already.
It would be better for the game and them
Shawn McLaughlin 2
I hate the Angels as much as anyone, being a Mariners fan. But they improved their staff with Cahill and the other guy they got (stupid memory!) and with Skaggs and Heaney and Barrea (and Ohtani next season) that staff isn’t half bad. And the farm system has improved quite a bit the past few years.
xabial
I wonder if the Tigers get a top-100 prospect for him?
adshadbolt1
No, one year left no defensive home
basebaIl1600
Yeah, but same deal with JD Martinez and look how good he’s been. Castellanos is one of the best pure hitters in the league. Top 3 DH. Could net a 90-100 prospect.
bigkempin
Except that JD is an elite DH option while Castellanos isn’t. Castellanos isn’t anywhere close to a top 3 DH option.
bigkempin
Didn’t know that a career .274/.323/.459 was considered to be one of the best pure hitters in the league? Are you his agent?
richdanna
Cherry picking stats.
He’s obviously advanced his offensive game over the last two years. Over that period, he’s hitting .285/.337/.495/.832 while averaging 24 HR’s and 95 RBI in the midst of a paltry Tigers’ offense.
Granted, he’s not one of the best pure hitters in the league, but he’s better than the picture you’re painting.
bravesfan
Richdanna… the stats you presented are a pure example of cherry picking stats vs what bigkempin did. Lol
basebaIl1600
So you’re just going to ignore his 2018/2017 seasons and go by his career line? If you look at the stats they are very similar to that of JD Martinez. Before being traded to the Dbacks, Martinez was a career .275/.330/.469 hitter. This is very similar to Castellanos and both were at a similar age. But sure, let’s just say I’m Castellanos agent for showing similarities between him and JD.
SuperSinker
I mean. We ought to look at the most recent stats, which we agree. But we ought not compare Castellanos to a player who has elevated himself as one of the best hitters in baseball. It would be unwise to assume a similar transition happens with Castellanos. He’s a fine, flawed player.
wrigleywannabe
Actuslly, you’re working against your initial arguement. Take the ladt 2 or 3 to 4 seasons before JD was moved and there is no comparison.
basebaIl1600
I just counter argued what he was saying with the “career” stat lines. Let’s look at JD Martinez’s offensive slash line from 2015/2016 and compare it to Castellanos from 2017/2018: JD Martinez hit .294/.358/.535. Nick Castellanos hit .285/.337/.495. There is definitely a comparison, and considering that Castellanos is 2 years younger than Martinez was in 2015/2016, it’s reasonable to assume that the hit ability is there and that he has the potential to grow and become an elite bat. I’d still consider him one of the top DHs available, top 5 for sure.
NotaGM
top 50 easily
jamess-7
Ha, for 1 year?
deweybelongsinthehall
Also consider the park he hits in. Not comparing the two but I can see Boston signing him next off season should JDM opt out and sign elsewhere.
therealryan
Over the past 2 years, Castellanos has a .285/.337/.494/.831 line and 121 wRC+. JD Martinez over the 2 full years leading up to his trade to AZ had a .297/.367/.545/.912 line and 142 wRC+. For comparisons sake, Castellanos’ bat has been closer to players such as Derek Dietrich, Denard Span and Kendrys Morales over the past 2 seasons than JD Martinez at the time of his trade.
Once you factor in the amount of players capable of being league average hitters vs. elite like Martinez and the gap between the 2 players is even wider. With the return for the far superior Martinez being best described as underwhelming, I wouldn’t expect the Tigers to get much for one season of the good, not great hitting Castellanos.
jbigz12
A 121 WRC+ is quite a bit better than average. I agree they aren’t going to get a ton in return but his bat plays.
davidkaner
If you look at his last 3 years he has trended up in average homers RBI yes he is NOW one of the games purest hitters trending towards ELITE hitter. If he could play any defense, he would have been a prime target instead of a fall back cheaper version of some other guy.
therealryan
His bat absolutely plays. I wasn’t trying to imply it doesn’t. Just trying to say his bat is closer to an average hitter than a true elite hitter like JD Martinez was when he was traded to the DBacks.
As a fan of the Rays, a team with a natural link to Castellanos, I would be perfectly fine paying him ~$11 million to be our DH. I would not however be comfortable giving up any top prospects for him to fill that role.
deweybelongsinthehall
Remember JDM’s stats went off the chart after leaving Detroit. Castellanos should also improve
deweybelongsinthehall
Sad but the major relief Detroit will get is financial.
RicoD
Denard Span? You are delusional if you think that is comparable.
Denard Span has 101 RBIs in the past 2 seasons combined. NC had 190
Denard Span has 23 HRs in the past 2 seasons combined. NC had 49
JD Martinez is a terrible comparison because he was one of the few people to get released and do a complete 180 to an elite hitter within the same year. He is the exception, not the rule.
jbigz12
And whose stats didn’t? Ian kinsler, Alex Avila, I don’t even know who else left but you can’t put anything JDM did on castellanos. Would be foolish to say his stats will go up after leaving Detroit because JD’s did. JD was a significantly better hitter in Detroit his last 3 seasons v castellanos last 3 in Detroit. I don’t think it’s very relevant to go back any further than that.
therealryan
Why is a he a pure hitter? Is it because that is the only thing he does capably on a baseball field? As for his trending up, his home runs and RBIs were both down last year compared to 2017 and making matters even worse his K% went up. More strike outs and less power is not a trend in the right direction and hardly points to a player making a push into the elite category.
James97M
People are forgetting the lack of protection he’s had the last 2 years! Last year he literally had 0 protection. Put him in a good lineup we’re looking at 30+ bombs and a near 300 average
daved
Check out JD Martinez 3 years in Houston. Not exactly all star material from 2011-2013.
juicemane
Maybe when he said “cherry pickin stats” he was announcing to whomever is reading that was what he was about to do.
deweybelongsinthehall
Not saying stats will go up because JDM’s did but because he’ll likely change to a more HR happy venue.
Boogaloo
If hes so similar to jd martinez and alot younger then detroit should give him a 6 year/120 million deal
That would be a steal the way you are talking.
But you didn’t make that deal would you? Cause hes not jd martinez
daved
Why would Detroit give him $120M when they are in a re-build right now? Martinez didn’t get that deal either until he was a FA.
imgman09
A foolish team might? For me he needs to have good all around abilities
thebighurt619
Top 100 prospect from a farm system- maybe.
Top 100 prospect in all of baseball- nope.
Ejoey
What would some trades look like?
basebaIl1600
Rays. If they really don’t want to spend money, he’s basically a younger Nelson Cruz with less power.
NotaGM
cant compare to a person to only say hes less than them. a comparison means they 100% same
diller79
To compare- to estimate, measure, or note the similarity or dissimilarity between
Dictionary definition……. so a comparison is far from 100% the same
Yankeesaurus Rex
@NotaGM That’s not at all what comparison means
xabial
I’m buying this report.
Tigers want to avoid repeat of their 2017 scenario with JDM when he was in final season. They held too long, traded him for low price Dawel Lugo, Sergio Alancantara and Jose King.
JJB
“Still, just because someone likes butterscotch doesn’t mean they only like butterscotch, and it might be the Twins have enough [big-bodied right-handed sluggers] butterscotch on hand already.”
So butterscotch is now slang for big-bodied, right-handed sluggers? You guys should write personal ads. Just write normally and stop trying to be Jeff Todd.
Boogaloo
Who the hell would want to be jeff todd?
Lol
stratcrowder
I’m no longer a professional baseball writer but….“While his offensive profile leaves little to be desired”….Ummmm….I would just delete that.
Joseph12992
Article really did a great job covering most angles, the only thing i’ll add is I believe Castellanos to be a cut above many corner bats available, He may have “broke out” last season but he has posted sustained offensive production over the past 3 seasons, 121 OPS and a healthy .285/.336/.495 Slash line. So there is a chance they will get some decent value. However the market for these poor defense corner bats is again not highly regarded (or so it seems).
coldbeer
So he is best suited to DH and the Dodgers are the 1st team to come to mind when discussing a potential market for him?!
Yeah. Ok.
graceface
It’s not the Tigers job to trade him to the best situation. They only care about who gives them the most back.
coldbeer
I didn’t say it was. The suggestion is nonsense. I would bet large he stays in the AL. Braves? Come on!!
diller79
The dodgers are the first team to come to mind because they have the expressed the most ACTUAL interest in him. So it’s a no brainer to mention them first. I don’t know what your talking about
Eddy Treadway
Why would the Braves be so outlandish?
jkurk_22
I can’t speak for all Braves fans, but I don’t want him. Keep him out of Atl please
coldbeer
That is not an argument…the Dodgers are in on everyone right now and will be until they pull the trigger on a deal or 1 of the big FAs makes their new home LA. NC doesn’t make sense there…THATS what i am talking about.
Gleyborday
The dodgers want to platoon everyone not my first choice but whatever
someoldguy
Twins: I have 2 words to say: Willians Astudillo: and any addition without subtraction in the 25 man virtually guarantees Little Willy will be sent home. He ain’t butterscotch, more like Jalapeno and peppermint candy; probably way too different for the “numbers” crowd.
SuperSinker
What are you talking about.
someoldguy
old guys talk about old things ” little willy won’t go home” is a reference to a song.
Willans Astudillo is a overlooked Phenom with amazing contact skill and better than the numbers catching skill I’d think. He isn’t likely to break the twins roster Especially if the Twins add a player to the DH spot. With the right coaching he could be a .400 OBP guy with a decent amount of slg. But he looks like an Ewok and his numbers don’t fit conveniently on a chart, too many statistical deviations from the norm. Aberrations tend to be dismissed out of hand.
The reference for the story ” doesn’t mean they only like butterscotch” when clearly the Twins do. To them I’m sure he is as odd as a jalapeno and peppermint candy.
someoldguy
Twins: I have 2 words to say: Willians Astudillo: and any addition without subtraction in the 25 man virtually guarantees Little Willy will be sent home. He ain’t butterscotch, more like Jalapeno and peppermint candy; probably way too different for the “numbers” crowd.
everlastingdave
Here’s the criteria I see for a team going after Castellanos: Small outfield/open DH slot. Needs power. Cares about 2019 but not a crazy amount. Can’t spend at the top of the market. The Rays make a kind of sense to me.
jeb39999
I would like to see the Twins squire him
jeb39999
*acquire
Ejemp2006
Thank you, I learn google search tells me “twins squire him” brings up dirty website! LOL! I hope for Twins acquire him too but if they squire him, then keep children eyes closed.
bhambrave
How many people just googled that? Be honest.
Danny B.
Would love to see Brodie Van Wagenen trade for Castellanos but with only one year of control left, I wouldn’t want to trade much in terms of longterm value. Maybe flip Todd Frazier with his $9 million contract along with two decent prospects like Ronny Mauricio & Gavin Cecchini could get it done. Wouldn’t want to trade much more than that honestly.
SuperSinker
I’d say that’s far too much anyway. Mauricio looks pretty dynamic and Castellanos is a complimentary player with a year left.
Danny B.
Ronny Mauricio may have legit talent but with Amed Rosario & Andres Gimenez ahead of him in the depth chart, he has no path to the Mets roster. Castellanos would be a great addition for a Mets team clearly looking to contend in 2019.
Joseph12992
Hey Danny, I think because Rosario is so young it is easy to think he is blocking Mauricio but when you think about it Mauricio will only be 18 next season which means he will be only 23 when Rosario’s 5 years of control are up, mcNeil and Cano will also be approaching the end their control or done with their contracts. Unless you have your middle infield locked up forever its hard to block a 18 yr old shortstop
Danny B.
I can see that but the Mets don’t want to wait 5 years to win, they want to win now and adding a player like Castellanos only increases their chances of succeeding in 2019.
bravesfan
As a braves fan, I don’t want him. Not enough to drop a strong prospect and that cash, just to have a weak outfielder who’s bat is ok. Don’t get me wrong, he can swing it…. but you got to believe there are other better options out there
baseball10
But what if you dont have to give up a “strong prospect” and rather 2-3 middling ones? Nick is still relatively young and inexperienced in RF. Not to say he wasn’t trying his hardest last year but if hes playing for a contender, in a contract year, i think we would see his defense improve.
bhambrave
I’d hope that his defense would improve from more experience rather than more motivation. How did his defense progress during 2018? Does anyone know of a website that shows monthly defensive splits?
Tigernut2000
Article says: “Castellanos did improve in 2018 when given the opportunity to play the position full-time – his UZR/150 innings improved from -57.6 in 2017 to -12.3 last season…”
He is improving.
andrewgauldin
Kean Wong or one of the Lowe brothers and a low level player or two for Castellanos.
Luke Strong
At $11.3m, he is a bargain. Fangraphs valued his 2018 performance at $24.2 million, defensive deficiencies and all..
I think this article paints a lesser picture of his value. Let’s say he puts up another season equal to 2018 this coming year and then enters FA at 28. He’s going to get $18-20m per.
There’s no doubt he’s worth a top prospect from a competitive team. There’s only so much talent to go around the league, and this guy is a proven commodity with a big bat.
Defensively, he is far worse in the OF than he was at 3B, there’s no reason he couldn’t move back there, or make a transition to 1B.
wrigleywannabe
What makes people think you can just stick someone at first?
He will still he a liability and most teams want more than kid 20s in homers from a 1B
Also, depending on which season you look at, you can argue he was worse at 3B.
Some of his peripherals were around league average in RF last year, as bad as he was.
mike 96
i just witness a year of a bad outfielder who hit over 30 hr. Its not worth it. Hopkins defense killed the phillies last year, and Castellanos is the same type, Only role is dh and part time outfieder
its_happening
That’s because the Phillies inept GM overpaid for a first baseman they just traded.
jbigz12
Wanna make a bet on castellanos’ future salary? I’ll take the under on 18-20 per. Unless this guy comes off an absolute monster 2019 and turns into JDM he won’t top a 3/45. Or 4/55-58 at the absolute most. I don’t even see that happening. Defensively Deficient DH types aren’t a hot commodity.
BobSacamano
If Carlos Santana is making $20m a year..Nick is making $20+ a year.
daved
Jon Jay was paid $8M by the Cubs 2 years ago. That means Castellanos should be paid $50M per year.
BobSacamano
Mmk did you see the year jon jay had before he signed the contract? That’s why he’s making $8m
Bubba 5
Love Pollock but at $16 million a year dude can’t stay healthy. Some team will get caught up and overpay and next year we will hear they would “ love to move that contract”.
bhambrave
Vesting options. Don’t sign him otherwise.
Ejemp2006
Tigers not cutting salary, just not spending, also sending vets for young studs. No surprise for me if they send Castellanos and return with bad contract plus prospects.
Go to Rockies for Ian Desmond and hot SS prospect Ryan Vilade? Good? We like?
its_happening
If you are a team with a void in corner OF, 1B/DH, and your team is a contender you should be in on Castellanos. No exceptions.
Atlanta should be the first team in. They aren’t prepared to do what it takes to win in 2019. Overpaying a player at a position they didn’t need for 1 year does not make them better.
Cleveland should be in on Castellanos. But they can’t decide if they want to count beans or count playoff victories.
If the White Sox are really looking to make a move in a very vulnerable division, go after him.
This should be a no brainer. At 11-mil and only 27 years old. He’ll help a good team.
jbigz12
Castellanos is a god awful corner outfielder there is an easy argument to make to not be in on him. If you like castellanos that much you could extrapolate that argument to Jose Martinez. Both play garbage defense but can hit.
stymeedone
Dont forget to add Brian Harper to that list. He was right there with Nick at the bottom.
its_happening
Not being in on him as a contender with a need for a bat means you are not a winner. Sorry. This is an open and shut case regardless of defense. Especially since I provided 2 AL teams.
jbigz12
Yeah. Open and shut. The TrimReaper has spoken.
hojostache
Martinez is the far better option for a bad defense/solid bat guy…and there are multiple years of control left. I want the Mets in on Martinez, and I think Castellanos is going to cost too much for a walk year and a very limit market.
bhambrave
I’m guessing you’re a Tigers fan.
its_happening
Wrong. But you’re probably used to it.
bhambrave
First time, actually.
petrie000
What if Detroit is asking for way more than 1 year of an alright DH is actually worth?
Is it still a ‘no brainer’?
socalbum
Even with his weak defense I would much rather have Castellanos on the Dodgers than the over-rated AJ Pollock. Dodgers have lived with good offense, poor defense from OF’ers in the past. Move Castellanos to LF with Bellinger in CF and Verdugo in RF.
bruceperdew
I would have rather had them keep Puig then to trade for Castellanos. The offense is close, and Puig is the better defender, plus he was a fan favorite. They are both free agents after 2019 and the salary arbitration is about the same – So I don’t see the point of just giving him away to the Reds, when I’m sure they gladly would have taken just Kemp, Wood & $$ for Homer & the 2 minor leaguers.
socalbum
Over last couple of seasons Puig has been horrid against LH pitching whereas Castellanos has been one of the best. Puig’s defense is much better than Castellanos, but over his career Puig is just an average defensive RF’er. Reds trade? Dodgers were clearing payroll — Wood and Kemp salaries about the same as Bailey — Dodgers would not have made that trade.
diller79
Castellanos is a great leader and locker room guy and this will only up his value(even if only slightly)
stymeedone
The Tigers should be willing to hold onto Nick if they dont get their price. If they keep him to the end of the year and offer him a QO, he will most likely accept, because it will kill his value in FA. Who ever has him basically has him for two years, by giving the QO. Now that it can only be offered once, his agent will probably recommend accepting what will be close to market value, anyway.
socalbum
If his 2019 season is comparable to 2018 Castellanos will have plenty of teams willing to sign him to a long term deal regardless of the QO.
Ejemp2006
I like idea but think Nick will play free agency game. Also like his trajectory a lot. Think this year will be 30+ HR, 275/375/475 type year. Maybe even silver slugger level.
If Tigers trade, I like taking bad contract plus great prospect(s) in return.
BobSacamano
As I tiger fan I’m one the few who would love to extend Nick!
inkstainedscribe
If the Braves aren’t willing to take a chance on Pollock’s health, or can’t make a deal for Haniger, then Castellanos makes perfect sense. Maybe EY can perform some magic and make Castellanos a serviceable RF. Slots right into the cleanup slot behind Freeman.
And if he really is a total butcher in the field, you can flip him back to an AL team.
mj-2
RF really isn’t all that big in Atlanta and Inciarte covers so much ground it could help pick up some of the slack of Castellanos as far as range.
The big thing would be can he learn to play the wall well. Probably not but he’s worth the add if the prospect ask isn’t too steep
southi
I’m sure the braves have checked in on him, but I definitely don’t think he is an option they would prefer. The presence of Inciarte in center (and Acuna in left) may enable them to cover for him more defensively than other teams. They also have Duvall in the pine, but I would think that Castellanos would totally counteract the upper tier defense and pitching theme of the team.
Anthopoulos has repeatedly said he wouldn’t trade top prospects for a one year rental so even if Atlanta does bite, I doubt they would send a top 100 prospect back anyway (unless the tigers included someone else).
Blue Baron
“…no shortage of pennant hopefuls capable of putting a lefty masher like Castellanos to work.”
Hopefully, that statement also applies to a righty masher like Castellanos, being as how he’s a righty hitter and all.
socalbum
perhaps “lefty masher” refers to Castellanos ability to “mash” LH pitching?
diller79
I’m not sure exactly where he finished but Castellanos was in the top 5 in the league in batting average vs lefties sooooo he is most defiantly a “lefty masher”
vannzee
I feel like people who do not seeing him play on a daily basis are selling Castellanos short here. While not great in the outfield or third, he’s not stationary out there and has not been tried at first base yet. The bat fits in any lineup.
vannzee
As a Tigers fan, I would like to see a fit with the Cubs. Castellanos for Almora (fills CF need), Bote or Happ.
batty
What position do you see him playing for the Cubs? Wrigley is a tough field to play for good OFers. Castellanos would be a butcher there.
diller79
Tigers don’t need a CF they already have and really like: A. Jacoby Jones(if bat comes around but already a plus defender) and B. Daz Cameron(he will end up somewhere in tigers outfield to begin 2020 most likely CF)
petrie000
As a Cubs fan I must admit I fail to see any point in a deal such as this. Castellanos has no place on the current Cubs roster
batty
With most AL teams now using the DH as a rotating spot to get multiple players rest from playing the field, players like Castellanos, Cruz and J. Martinez are going to have a much harder time getting a job and keeping it long term. We already see fewer bat only bench players in the NL. Now, bench players have to play multiple positions at an at least league average ability. Especially with the ever growing bull pens.
Having defense take a back seat in lieu of offense seems to be changing, somewhat, and that’s a good thing. Defense is, and should be, just as important as offense.
Here’s another thought on the DH. With teams using it to get players rest, instead of a full time DH player, it’s likely the NL will be more open to adopting it. I’m not a DH fan at all, but i’ve got no say in what happens. MLBPA and agents likes the DH because it kept many players in the league, well past their defensive usefulness. That meant more money for them. If the NL adopts it and uses it like most AL teams do now, it won’t really keep those DH only types in the game.
DTD
The Braves make a ton of sense. He definitely fits the need for another productive bat behind Freeman and Donaldson and he won’t cost much in terms of prospects. As for his defense, that’s where analytics and coaching can help. Markakis was a minus outfielder until they started repositioning him and then he ended up with a gold glove. I’m not saying that’s where Castellanos’ path takes him but his defense can be hidden somewhat and having someone like Inciarte next to him helps too.
socalbum
Nothing I have read indicates that Tigers are willing to trade Castellanos for a reasonable package of prospects
mj-2
I haven’t read anything about what it would take to get him to be fair. Reasonable or unreasonable
DTD
Considering they’re rebuilding and he’s a 1 yr rental, they’re not gonna get or even ask for Major league talent so that leaves prospects. To make a trade, they’ll have to accept a reasonable offer because they won’t be getting top tier talent so…
Adam6710
Frazier and Florial for Castellenos! Get it done, Cashman!
diller79
Tigers would accept this, I believe
jbigz12
Tigers would undoubtedly accept that.
quxdraw
Yankees are already right handed heavy. Looking for lefty bats to balance lineup.
hojostache
Waaaaaaaaay too much, and I think most Yankee prospects are overrated and over-valued by Yankee fans.
Adam6710
So are the players in my sarcastic comment over-valued, or is that way too much? Pick one.
Rumncoke
Braves are getting Haniger
Melchez
OK, stop with the “He’s a terrible defender” bs. Castellanos is no gold glove winner, but he only made 3 errors last year in his first full year in the outfield. He’s not very mobile, so he doesn’t get to a lot of balls, but when he does, he knows what to to do with it. This can be improved as he learns the position and he is positioned properly. Also, among right fielders he was fourth in innings, second in assists and second in putouts. That means he does make some plays. Remember…. only 3 errors (.990 fielding percentage).
Looking at his very limited time in right in 2017… he was terrible. .963 fielding percentage with the range of 1.24…. that improved drastically in ’18… .990 fielding percentage and a range factor of 2.17. League average was .986 and 2.07. So why is Castellanos ranked as a poor fielder? He has a better than average range… better than average fielding percentage. He registered the 4th most innings played in right. Second in putout and assists. If he played the fourth most innings, shouldn’t you expect 4th most assists and putouts?
Like I said, sure, he’s no gold glove winner… but give the guy a break, he makes the plays.
Melchez
Personally, I would like to see the Tigers resign Castellanos. He would give the team a position with stability through a rebuild. He’s a middle of the order hitter with a decent obp. He’s the kind of player a franchise would be proud to build around. Home grown and showing signs of figuring it out.
With all the negativity toward his defense, he might sign for a contract similar to Mark Trumbo following his breakout year (at a year older than Castellanos)… 3 years $38 mil. You could put in an opt out just in case he becomes the next JD.
todda1
I totally agree. Not great at all, but his defense is nowhere near as bad as people who didn’t regularly see him last year assume it was.
therealryan
Did you watch every single outfielder in every single game last year on your way to this opinion? I ask because this sounds very subjective to me. Objectively, Castellanos was one of the bottom 5 defensive outfielders according to DRS, UZR and Statcast.
todda1
Yes. Yes I did. Don’t ask stupid questions next time.
therealryan
Well I wasn’t the one who said that he isn’t nearly that bad and people are assuming he is a terrible defender when all objective information paint him as one of the worst in MLB.
dugdog83
Bottom 5, compare his stats to the player right in the middle and you’ll see he’s barely behind.
All this talk about his defense, everyone said JDM sucked too and now he’s got a ring laughing. Nicky C will be a good fit for contenders.
petrie000
Because things like team awards have always been the best way to evaluate individual skills…
todda1
Do you realize that he’s still relatively new to playing the outfield? He was forced out there for a brief time when Detroit signed Prince to that ridiculous contract then eventually they moved him off of 3rd for good and back out to the outfield. He’s still learning the outfield. And I’ll admit he’s never gonna be above average in the outfield, but I don’t think league average defensively is out of the question. Also, the metrics are subjective. To me he seemed to get better as the year went on.
Roll
I am glad JDM played such great d for right field where he played everyday… or was it once a week?…. a month? Or did the Red sox put him somewhere else. I cant seem to remember.
RicoD
Melchez, thank you for actually applying common sense to all of these advanced metrics that people lose their mind over. A player that is top 5 in the league in innings played in right field and only made 3 errors shows they can field. Do you want to argue he needs to improve his range? Absolutely a valid case First full year in RF, the range will and should improve.
therealryan: Fangraphs also has flaws, for example I saw 2 highlights of him robbing homeruns this year, yet Fangraphs shows no impossible, remote or even “unlikely” plays being made. Very subjective. Fangraphs also has Puig as a -1.8 arm… do you think he has a below average arm? Do you think his arm is a liability or an asset? You can make people look very good or very bad depending on the metric you choose to present.
Many of the same people making a big stink about the inabilities of different defenders are begging for Bryce Harper to come to their team. Bryce is ranked worse defensively so it is a little contradictory. Do you think that Bryce is the WORST defender in the league? I don’t, but the numbers show that. Any team would be better with either of these 2 individuals on their team. At 25 and 26 years old, these 2 are young enough to continue to evolve offensively and defensively. People speak about abilities like it is set in stone. I would be less optimistic if they were into their 30s, but they are very young.
bhambrave
Errors alone are not a good measure of a defender. When Vinny Castilla played 3B for Atlanta he had very few errors. He was essentially a fence post with a glove attached.
petrie000
How to avoid making an error : be so far away from having a prayer at making the play that the official scorer can’t convince himself he can justify giving you one.
Roll
isnt that how jeter got his last gold glove?
its_happening
Jeter was helped by his bat.
Melchez
“How to avoid making an error : be so far away from having a prayer at making the play that the official scorer can’t convince himself he can justify giving you one.”
If that were Castellano’s case, then how did he end up second in assists and putouts?
kodion
Professional batters purposefully hitting A LOT of balls his way …trying to give him more opportunities to improve his defensive numbers, I guess.
petrie000
A pitching staff that gives up a lot of fly balls, usually. The problem with those as evaluation tools is it tells you nothing about whether that was above or below what an average player would do
stymeedone
Being 2nd in both put outs and assists contradicts that was a factor in Nick not being charged with an error.
bhambrave
No it doesn’t. Scorers are forgiving when an outfielder doesn’t get to a batted ball.
petrie000
not really because the two exist completely independently of one another
You basically have to prove he got more put outs in the same amount of chances as all the other RFers in the league
which, ironically, IS something they factor into things like DRS and UZR…
southi
You do realize that part of being a good defender includes having range. He may catch almost everything he gets to, but if he is a statue then he won’t get to very balls that other outfielders would catch for easy plays.
petrie000
He cited Errors as a measure of defensive ability… My guess is he does not…
Melchez
“He cited Errors as a measure of defensive ability… My guess is he does not…”
If you could read, you would notice I sited much more than just errors… you sited nothing.
petrie000
You cited Errors, which is a garbage stat. Fielding percentage, which is derived from errors. and put outs, which has no comparative value to other players
So yeah, less than a convincing presentation, all things considered
Melchez
Putouts has no comparative value? Yes it does… he had the second most. Only one right fielder had more. It’s easy to compare that stat.
Errors, fielding percentage, assists, range, innings played… He isn’t a gold glove right fielder… but he’s certainly not twice as bad as Puig, which UZR rates him. There’s no way.
Melchez
I bet if Aaron Judge was second in putouts and assists and 4th in innings with only 3 errors, he’d be in the running for a gold glove.
3 errors in just under 800 innings. .984 fielding percentage. 2.04 range factor. He is so much better than Castellanos. LOL
petrie000
No, put outs have no comparative value for the same reasons RBI don’t. Okay, he made so many… Out of how many chances? Did he have more than average? Less? What would, say, Jason Heyward have done with the same amount of opportunities?
Comparative stats are those that make some attempt to, well, compare players in some sort of objective way… Stats you just compile are are a lot less useful because there’s such a disparity in opportunity between various players
And Aaron judge probably will win a gold glove one day just because he plays for a very popular team… Which is why gold gloves are also quickly losing their relevance…
stymeedone
No one is claiming he should make the all defensive team. His numbers showed improvement. Bryce Harper’s numbers declined. I will bet Nick works harder on his defense this winter, than Bryce will.
petrie000
what you’re willing to bet on or not is utterly irrelevant when projecting likely outcomes
improving from ‘joke’ to merely ‘bad’ is an improvement… unfortunately it’s still ‘bad’…
Melchez
So you can’t have an RBI leader or a home run leader or a run leader? Probably can’t have a batting average leader because how does one batter get all those easy right down the middle fastballs and other guys have to hit offspeed pitches and he hits them right at someone? How should we compare them then? By exit velocity? Launch angle?
This is why people need to watch the game. Castellanos is a little clumsy, a little awkward as a defender. But he catches the balls he gets to. He needs more time out there. He needs to be positioned better at times. He needs practice so his actions are more reflex than having to think before he makes a decision. These are all ways to improve an improving player and I believe he will improve. If he was 40 pounds over weight and 35 years old, I wouldn’t be so optimistic. But he’s 27, in shape and he worked on his defense and he’s improved quite a bit in one year.
petrie000
The more hyperbole you include the less credible you become.
Simply because you believe you know better than the objective data doesn’t make for a convincing argument. The ‘eye test’ is only valid if you watch every game OF EVERY TEAM, otherwise you can’t possibly claim to have enough information to accurately rank all the players. And that’s even if, by some miracle, you’re the only person ever born without personal bias.
Which is kind of why ‘the eye test’ is just as garbage as errors…
My advice would be to wait until there are any objective stats you can use to defend castellanos’ defense with, and spend that time actually researching the topic… Then try and convince non-tigers fans he’s not terrible
Melchez
” The ‘eye test’ is only valid if you watch every game OF EVERY TEAM, otherwise you can’t possibly claim to have enough information to accurately rank all the players. ”
I saw Mike Trout play… he looks like a pretty good player. I saw Wade Boggs play…. he looked pretty good too. I never saw Chris Davis play… I have a feeling he’s not as good as Trout or Boggs. I would rank them higher though.
Thanks for the advice… I will point you to some stats that might surprise you…. Castellanos wasn’t ranked last in range for a RFer last year… he beat out Haniger, McCutchen and Mazara.
fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=rf&stats=fld…
I have supplied multiple stats to support my claim that Casellanos isn’t a terrible defender… Assists, fielding percentage, putouts, innings played, even range and a UZR stat… what evidence have you supplied? the opinion of some random baseball writer I had never heard of before?
petrie000
i’ve pointing out that your first three, the ones you based you entire initial argument on, of Errors, Fielding Percentage, and putouts, where either terrible stats in general or ones you had no real understanding of how to apply properly. Mostly because the idea of objectivity vs subjectivity is seemingly just beyond you…
pointing out that Castellanos is better than a couple of outfielders that aren’t exactly considered good either anymore does little to counter the idea that he is also frankly not good.
the counter argument to ‘he’s good’ was already supplied by the author of this article, i don’t need to rehash them when you SHOULD have read them before posting.
basically this all comes down to you not liking what the better stats have to say and then trying to attack them as inaccurate (for reasons you can’t seem to supply beyond they disagree with your own observations, which you can’t prove are any good…) while refusing to provide any better ones (because they don’t exist) to support a biased opinion of a player you happen to like.
Melchez
How convenient… you are opposed to every single one of the stats that I gave you but you are clinging to the LONE stat given by the author. The lone stat that the author mentions Castellanos showed huge improvement on during 2018.
Look, I know Castellanos is a bad fielder., no argument there. Just open your eyes and see that he isn’t as bad as he’s being portrayed. He only made 3 errors… .990 fielding average…he was second in assists and putouts…. 4th in innings played….. He doesn’t make the highlight reel play but he makes the routine plays. With experience he can improve.
But you and the author obviously believe he has peaked. At 26, after just his first year in the outfield…. the guy has peaked. .
smh… you guys should watch a baseball game every once in a while instead of watching UZR.
daved
As long as he plays in the A.L., nobody will care about his defense.
Adam6710
“He’s not very mobile, so he doesn’t get to a lot of balls”
and that’s exactly why he is rated poorly.
Melchez
Yes, That is why he’s rated poorly. Just because of his range. It was terrible in ’17… it was bad in ’18… it will continue to improve in ’19.
His defense has improved and it will continue to improve.
He’s not slow. He has 29 triples… that’s 52nd on the active leader board. Not bad for a guy in his 5th full season.
GarryHarris
Nicholas Castellanos is not a “platoon” batter. He’s had over 300 TB while nested within no set up or backup hitting lineups the last two seasons.
Z-A 2
AL only kinda guy at 27.
Eat'EmUpTigers
If you are trading for Nick C, you must also accept his gold chains and unbuttoned jersey as part of the trade. Its a package deal. But I think the chains and jersey still have a couple of arbitration years left before they hit the market.
stymeedone
Yes, no other MLB player wears gold chains or fails to button up to the top.
Melchez
I didn’t know Castellanos wore chains… couldn’t find any pictures of him with chains. I googled “Castellanos gold chains” First picture was Aaron Judge with bling around his neck. LOL
bhambrave
Castellanos should be a last resort for the Braves, and they shouldn’t trade any prospects in their top-20. I’d prefer Pollock: two years guaranteed with three vesting options, with incentives for games played. Maybe an opt out after three years.
kodion
Shouldn’t be a last resort for AA if it doesn’t cost the team top-20 prospects. If you can live with (or manage around: shifts, positioning, etc.) the defensive shortcomings ….
This is a guy who could justify a Qualifying Offer off his bat alone next off-season.
RicoD
South and Petrio…Absolutely, range is a huge piece of being a good defender. My argument is for NC as an average defender or a below average (not terrible) defender who needs to improve range and jumps on balls. All which come from experience out in the field. After his first full year in RF, many metrics have improved. This year will truly tell if he gets a full season in RF, to compare and see if improvements are made or not.
This a great argument made on the defense (pun intended) of Bryce Harper.
ftw.usatoday.com/2018/11/bryce-harper-defense-uzr-…
To me (and we may disagree) a terrible defender is someone who botches routine plays. That is not the case here which is why many people have different opinions. The main thing to note, there is no argument being made that he is an excellent defender. The argument for me, and maybe by others, is that by taking a static metric (like DRS) and saying that a player will forever be a poor defender and therefore should be a DH at 26 Y/O is a very extreme conclusion.
petrie000
Saying he will be better is also an extremely problematic statement because it’s assuming something that hasn’t happened yet.
If the statement is ‘he’s been terrible so far’, that’s factually correct. Could he get better? Yes. Could he get worse, also yes.
The numbers would seem to indicate, though, that at best he’ll remain sub par.
RicoD
Very fair point. I’m by no means claiming that it will go one way or the other. I would though argue that some metrics are hyper sensitive. Many people read a number on fangraphs page and they will swear someone is good or bad without seeing them play. My main concern is with how people swear by numbers and how sensitive the numbers are…here is my argument:
Corey Dickerson
2015: -7 DRS
2016: 2
2017: -1
2018: 16
Kyle schwarber
2015: -3 DRS
2017: -9
2018: 2
There are big swings in ratings from one year to the next. That means one of two things: it is very possible for someone who is a poor defender to turn into an elite defender or the numbers are hyper-sensitive to the data and create gaps for big swings in numbers. Either way I say there should be 1/3 weighing on traditional metrics, 1/3 on sabermetrics, and 1/3 on the eye test. I believe the teams inquiring are using a blended approach based on the number of NL teams (LA, PHI, NYM, ATL) rumored.
Melchez
“Saying he will be better is also an extremely problematic statement because it’s assuming something that hasn’t happened yet.
If the statement is ‘he’s been terrible so far’, that’s factually correct. Could he get better? Yes. Could he get worse, also yes.
The numbers would seem to indicate, though, that at best he’ll remain sub par.”
Even though he improved greatly from 2017? You don’t think he could continue to improve?
He may not… he may forget everything he knows about baseball and sit on the bench the entire year… it’s possible. So could Mike Trout. It’s possible.
petrie000
see previous statement : going from ‘joke’ to ‘bad’ is still bad.
assuming he’ll go from ‘bad’ to anything else, when he’s never been anything else, takes a lot of…. i think the technical term is ‘homerism’?
Melchez
I’m a homer if I think he’s bad? LOL I can see why you call yourself petty.
jeffm
To me the Phillies make a lot of sense with Castellanos playing LF if they’re unable to sign Bryce Harper. A 1-for-1 swap for Odubel Herrera who is a proven MLB player with 3-5 years of control. It’s really not a big defensive upgrade over Hoskins in LF, but it would add a very good bat to a line-up that needs to generate more runs. For the Tigers they get an affordable proven commodity to slot in CF or LF and don’t have to take the risk of a prospect not panning out to even league average.
My 2 cents.
Club39
As a Tigers fan I’ll be sad to see Nick go. He’s been the only consistent bat in the line-up since the fire sail started.
I don’t think he’s as terrible defensively as people say. He’s not going to win a gold glove but he’s not terrible. I wouldn’t be disappointed to see him DH either but with paying Miggy 30+ mil a season for the next 4 years I guess Avila’s hands are kind of tied.
I think whoever gets him is getting a good ball player. He hits, he plays hard and he’ll do whatever he can to help a team win. He’s only 27 too so he could be part of a winning nucleus for years to come.
Melchez
I think the Tigers should extend him. If he gets a QO, he might take it because it would be tough for a team to pay a huge contract and lose a draft pick for him.
jbigz12
A QO forfeits the teams 2nd highest pick if you think that suppresses his value so much that teams won’t be interested in paying him then your whole argument about castellanos up there is pretty much null and void. That’s not an insanely steep price to pay and is probably less valuable than what it costs to acquire him now. I’m really not sure why you went on to your rant about how he really wouldn’t be that bad in the outfield and then below you projected a 3/38. I gotta tell you if he was really “not that bad” in the outfield a guy with a bat like that would get far more than that.
stymeedone
Look at the players that have been attached to a qualifying offer and its effects. Moose is a good example. It’s how teams look at the value of the pick. It won’t effect the top of the market, but I would not put Nick at that level. He’s more in the upper middle.
Melchez
QO offers do effect the number of teams interested in a free agent. That’s obvious. I am not a huge fan of Castellanos, I just don’t see him as the worst defensive RFer to ever play the game… like some on here seem to feel. His offense is better than average… slightly. The contract I suggested was similar to the one Trumbo got after his 3 year deal.
GarryHarris
Miguel Cabrera gets $30M the next three years, $32M for the 4th and 5th years and then potentially $30M for the 6th and 7th years. So, he’s a Tiger until the middle of the next decade or until the team is sold..
Melchez
The writer talks about platooning Castellanos? The guy had a .273 / .329 / ..478 against right handed pitchers. Not too shabby. He also mentions the Braves as if they are some kind of ultra super team that wouldn’t want to spend a lot of money on a player with few skills… in 2017 they had Matt Kemp and Brandon Phillips on their team. They had Markakis last year. Come on.
bhambrave
2017 was a non-contending year. Nick Markakis was an above average batter with good if not great defense on the last year of a four year contract.
krussMETS
Think he’d be a great fit with the Mets. I’m aware of the defense but they can use Lagares late in games to minimize some of that. Can also move to 3B if Cespedes ever does come back.
jim stem
As a Mets’ fan, I’d be happy to trot him out on to the field when Syndergaard, deGrom and Wheeler are pitching because they don’t give up many hits. Then an easy defensive replacement late in the game by, you know, a “manager”. With all the inter league games on the schedule, they could easily add his right handed bat into the mix. 300 touches in right field with 3 errors and 10 assists versus 185 hits and an .850+ ops? The guy has played all of 160 games in the outfield. Let some outfield coaches work with him and earn their money because he can already hit!
RicoD
That’s another great point. Defensive metrics would probably show more favorable in a smaller citifield with a significantly better pitching rotation. Mets may very well be the best fit.
jim stem
Somebody in the NL East has to get him. Division is too competitive now to let a 26 year old hitter go to your rival. Nats, Mets, Braves and even the Marlins if they truly want to rebuild.
bhambrave
One of the problems with trading for NC is that he’s an FA after 2019. That cuts into his value a lot.
Ejoey
What would a fair trade for Castellanos be, nothing else happening.
Jerry Wyatt
Kolby Allard a fair trade for Castellanos
bhambrave
Allard, No way. Davidson maybe.
Ejoey
How about Drew Waters?
bhambrave
Nope. The Braves would only have Nick for one year. They wouldn’t give up a top organizational OF prospect for a rental.
Jerry Wyatt
Think allard would be fair. Don’t see him ever cracking Braves starting rotation and at best long reliever. Fastball only topping out at 91 or 92. They then could have Castellanos as possible right fielder and at worst bench bat.
Ejoey
I see what you are saying value wise. If that’s all they can get, keep him make QO and take draft pick. Worth more than what’s being offer.
Dogs
If I were Avila, I would try & trade Nick to Tampa for Catcher, Michael Perez & a lotto ticket infielder in low Minors.
NoviScott
Nick will go the Nationals. The Nationals don’t have a right fielder anymore and they love jumping on former Tiger players. Tigers will get nothing- couple infield prospects.
Think about the Nationals of today and the Tigers of 2006-14. They are the same type of team- big payroll, big stars and big hype that never win a World Series.
James97M
Right on the money, coming from a Tigers fan. Unfortunate with all the talwnt they can’t get it done. Nationals window is closing and they’re still making desperate signings like the Tigers did with J up and Zim.
RicoD
The NL east is rumored shopping him minus the Marlins and Nats…not sure why they aren’t considering him to be their Harper replacement. Will definitely be cheaper with similar offensive and defensive production with the exception of less HRs and a higher BA. Seems like a fit to me.
James97M
Everyone disregarding the type of lineup Castellanoes has had to work with these past 2 years. Last year he had his best year to date amist 0,and I really mean 0, protection. Put him in a contenders lineup and he could hit 30+ bombs with a near .300 average
Chives
Fun little Castellanos stat… he had more outfield assists than Jackie Bradley, Alex Gordon, and Nick Markakis in 2018. I know his def metrics are quite bad, but I feel there may be some improvement on the field moving forward. His bat is legit and everyone raves about his leadership and character. Whatever team he plays for in 2019, they’ll be lucky to have him.
Dogs
Would everyone believe Nick threw out 10 baserunners trying to advance last year. He only made 3 errors all year with 1234.1 Innings Played in Rightfield & 300 chances & 287 Putouts. I understand he does not grade out good with newer STAT’s but he also played most of his games in spacious Comerica Park. Put him in a smaller park with an above average Centerfielder with speed & he would be a much better Defender.
He does have a strong & accurate throwing arm which is nice for a right fielder.
DH would be his perfect Position Though.
Dogs
If I were Avila, I would try & trade Nick to Tampa for Catcher, Michael Perez & a lotto ticket infielder in low Minors.