TODAY: The Mets are “resistant” on including Rosario in a deal, per Jon Heyman of Fancred (via Twitter). It seems the Marlins have at least some level of interest, unsurprisingly, in Nimmo, Conforto, and Rosario.
All things considered, it does not appear at present as if the sides have settled upon a clear potential deal structure. There could well be other moving parts to getting something done. After all, the Mets would need to fill in for any departing MLB assets while the Marlins could conceivably involve a third team to spin off any acquired MLB pieces.
YESTERDAY, 8:32pm: The Mets have spoken to the Marlins and are at least considering the possibility of including Nimmo as a centerpiece in a Realmuto deal, tweets Joel Sherman of the New York Post. That said, Sherman cautions that there’s no deal close and that the Marlins are still in talks with multiple other clubs.
However, whether that would be enough for the Mets remains to be seen. Jim Bowden of MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM tweets that the Marlins don’t view Nimmo as a potential Realmuto centerpiece and would prefer Rosario or Conforto to headline a package of young players instead. That’s at least somewhat curious, given the fact that Conforto has only one more season of club control remaining than Realmuto.
6:55pm: Mike Puma of the New York Post tweets that it’s unlikely the Mets would include Conforto in a trade for Realmuto.
5:35pm: Trade chatter surrounding J.T. Realmuto will persist throughout the offseason following the definitive declaration that he won’t be signing an extension with the Marlins. While the Marlins reportedly have a preference to trade Realmuto outside of the division, Andy Martino of SNY writes that the Mets are looking into Realmuto now that they officially have Robinson Cano and Edwin Diaz on board. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic, in fact, reports that the Mets reached out on Realmuto earlier today and are being “aggressive” in their pursuit (Twitter links).
Newsday’s Tim Healey tweets that the belief is that the Mets would have to include at least one young Major Leaguer in order to pry Realmuto loose from Miami, and Rosenthal suggests the same. (The Mets subtracted a pair of high-end prospects from its system when trading outfielder Jarred Kelenic and right-hander Justin Dunn to Seattle in the Cano/Diaz swap.) Martino speculated that Amed Rosario’s name could come into play, and Rosenthal adds both Brandon Nimmo and Michael Conforto as the type of talents that could pique Miami’s interest. Of course, that doesn’t mean that the Mets would have any actual interest in dealing from that promising young trio. More specifically Fancred’s Jon Heyman tweets that Rosario and Nimmo would be Miami’s top two targets in talks.
The Mets already tendered contracts to both Kevin Plawecki and Travis d’Arnaud, though either could be traded elsewhere or designated for assignment anyway, should the organization land an upgrade in the form of Realmuto. (Speculatively, either could also be sent back to Miami as a short-term stopgap in the absence of Realmuto.)
Elsewhere in the NL East (which, to this point, has been the runaway most active division in terms of offseason activity), Craig Mish of SiriusXM tweets that the Phillies have inquired on Realmuto but are considered to be a long shot. The Phils presently have Jorge Alfaro and Andrew Knapp as in-house catching options now that Wilson Ramos is a free agent, and they’ve been aggressive early this winter, already acquiring Jean Segura and James Pazos from the Mariners.
Mish also suggests that the Braves have inquired on Realmuto, although both David O’Brien of The Athletic and Heyman have tweeted otherwise. O’Brien indicates that he was somewhat bluntly told there’s no validity to the report that Austin Riley and Mike Soroka have come up in discussions, while Heyman reports that the Braves haven’t even engaged on any serious Realmuto talks this winter. O’Brien further adds that the Braves have shifted their focus to adding a corner outfielder and shoring up the pitching staff (Twitter links).
Looking outside the NL East, Jon Morosi of MLB.com tweets that the Rockies have checked in on the catcher — although talks between the two sides, to this point, have failed to progress. Colorado would make a perfectly logical landing spot, though, given that none of Chris Iannetta, Tony Wolters or Tom Murphy stands out as an obvious front-line option. The Rockies also have plenty of young pitching — much of it MLB-ready, which would surely be of interest to the Marlins as they continue to build for the future.
It’s worth remembering, too, that the clubs here likely only represent a fraction of the market for Realmuto. Heyman notes that 14 teams have inquired with the Marlins about Realmuto this winter, and while clearly not all of those clubs will be particularly aggressive in their pursuit, the sheer volume underscores how many teams view the All-Star backstop as a potential difference maker. A trade isn’t necessarily guaranteed, but it’s likely that Realmuto’s value is at its apex this winter. The Marlins surely know that their time with Realmuto is limited following comments from agent Jeff Berry and, per Mish, a pair of rejected extension offers of four and five years in length (both at prices that are nowhere near Realmuto’s actual market value).
sds999
Rosario Lagares Dom Smith and a mid level prospect or 2.
soccer11
What would they want with Lagares and smith? . Lagares is a only a defensive outfielder while smith has been a total bust
bigkempin
Umm, great trade for the Mets….no way that the Marlins accept that.
sds999
Lagares and Smith have change of scenery potential. Rosario and prospects would be the main pieces.
petrie000
So add an actual headliner to the deal and the Marlins may return the call
stan lee the manly
If the words “change of scenery” are used to describe the pieces for Realmuto, they aren’t the pieces that will get Realmuto.
tesseract
OK, so the Marlins would trade an elite catcher for two “change of scenery potential” players… sure.
sds999
Try reading my whole comment. I stated Rosario and a couple of prospects would be the headliners. Lagares and Dom are still fairly young and would be serviceable pieces on a rebuilding team.
Jean Matrac
No team trades a guy with the value of Realmuto for “change of scenery”, guys.
alien
i guess you can’t read.. he stated Rosario as a centerpiece.. Rosario and Dom smith are young phenom.
Realmulto with just 2 yrs of service is more than fair..
sds999
Thank you for the backup 🙂
MrMet33
Lagares makes too much money as a 4th OF and Smith is a bust so far. Your trade makes zero sense FOR the Marlins outside of Rosario.
Jean Matrac
It doesn’t matter who headlines the deal. the Marlins aren’t taking change of scenery guys to round out the trade. They can do better than that.
Harry pness
Hello xabail “:)”
“Change of scenery guys” for realmuto. This is gold jerry. GOLD
3rdStrikeLooking
No, your comment was a failed attempt at logic.
mlb1225
When Smith and Rosario show more MLB potential, then they might be involved.
xabial
xabial*
And I don’t do much if any trade scenarios. My best one prob involved Mets tho; suggested Andujar, Sheffield, Abreu, Florial for deGrom.
Obv, with Sheffield traded, Mets going all-in, things have changed. Probably the only one I’ve made. So I’m confused by your baiting.
Only real hate trade got was from Mets fans. I’ll take it! When you make a trade suggestion, you get thrown into the fire.
tesseract
That trade proposal it’s absurd. The Marlins are not going to trade for an average major league SS and 2 below average players or “change of scenery candidates”, especially when half of the league is calling them about Realmuto. While Realmuto only has 2 years of service left, he is arguably the best catcher in baseball right now; 2 years of the best catcher is better than 4 or 6 of an average catcher. Just like trading for the best catcher would take more than “a couple prospects”. It would only make sense Realmuto is traded for multiple top prospects which the Mets lack. Maybe a Rosario/Comforto/Andres Gimenez deal would make the most sense, but even then seems a little low on the Marlins side and sounds like the Mets won’t do it either way. Realmuto won’t be a Met.
reckoner
A little light? That would be a big overpay by the Mets.
Knowthemarket
There are serviceable players everywhere. There’s no need to get them in a Realmuto deal
astrosfan4life
Clemens, Biggio, and Bagwell for Realmuto and a live dolphin. My trade has a greater chance of happening lol.
Dagoat
I assume they’re gonna DFA the dolphin
Mjm117
I thought adding the Live Dolphin was an overpay like precious Marlins ownership.
Mjm117
Previous**
dirtydan
Would the dolphin take a a spot on the 40 man roster?
petrie000
He’s got options
MetsYankeesRedSox
They could always Flipper.
JT19
No they’re going to build a big fish tank to replace the statue and put the dolphin there. Air Dolphin in the making?
Mystery Team
I heard it was a unicorn not a dolphin but my facts could be wrong.
Mjm117
Previous**
Knowthemarket
Alright, where is everyone’s since of humor, all you grinches. Why is this being down voted. I thought this comment was hilarious. >=D
petrie000
It’s the Mets fans who hate the fact that you’re right
bobtillman
I agree. The only thing left out was that, when you go to Marlins Park next year, you can order Dolphin-Burgers…(taste like chicken)……
3rdStrikeLooking
I downvoted today!
Dock_Elvis
Snowflake has had enough!
Dock_Elvis
Good lord people go see a movie once in awhile….Ace Ventura was solid.
Marc (Phillies Phan)
I try to be objective, but I just don’t think the Mets have anything to offer the Marlins for Realmuto. Dom Smith? No.
The Braves have the most to offer, in the NL East and I believe the price would be so high.
In the end, Realmuto won’t be in the NL East after a trade.
SouthsideCub
Of course they don’t just made a boneheaded trade 2 get Cano&Diaz
JT19
They could if they wanted to include Nimmo or Conforto (in addition to Rosario), but the Mets shouldn’t move either one in that scenario. But I agree, if Realmuto gets moved its unlikely going to be in-division. The Marlins are asking for the moon if they’re going to trade him in-division and rightfully so.
seanwh01
Conforto and Rosario is a really strong offer for Realmuto. Hard to see Marlins turning that one down.
John Deas
What would the point be to include Conforto or Nimmo if you’re trying to make the Mets better. As an O’s fan, I thank God for the Mets, because it makes my team only the 2nd worst run franchise in baseball. Hopefully Elias will get us out of that sorry company.
Mjm117
No the Marlins are ridiculous to be asking for the moon. Who do they think they are??!!
Jimmy S
Marlins will be horrible for at least 5 years. Don’t see the reason how trading him to a NL east rival would affect them in anyway. I wouldn’t trade conforto or Rosario anyway for him. It would be nice to have a catcher who can hit though.
bryan c
Uh, JP Crawford for Segura? What you value vs what another team values likely differs. You know darn well Crawford is a likely bust but Seattle said wow, we get a guy someone liked 3 years ago. Gimenez is a far better prospect. I would be super happy to give either Gimenez or Rosario plus more. Never know what the Marlins value.
Erie4312
Braves need to stay away from Realmuto
How about this:
Braves trade Gohara (#78), Drew Waters (#91), Bryse Wilson (#96), Adam Duvall (one season removed from 250 BA and 30 HRs, could return to form, and Julio Tehran (salary relief) for David Peralta (290 BA and 30 HRs with two years control)
Mjm117
Can’t see the Dbacks saying no to that trade offer. Not sure if Braves mgmt would even offer such a haul.
Erie4312
11 mil in Tehran going there though
take out duvall then
Kraz Nadler
d’arnaud flores smith raiser should get it done
tesseract
No. And Flores isn’t even with the Mets anymore.
Willy Mays
So dump all your garbage and get best young catcher in baseball. No Mets bias there.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Boston did it in the Nick Punto trade. It’s an anything can happen Tuesday.
tesseract
And what did they get in return? More garbage
MetsYankeesRedSox
I don’t remember who they got back. They dumped $251M in salary, or there about.
JT19
But there was an actual valuable player in that deal in Adrian Gonzalez. Gonzalez had more talent in his pinky than most of these offers.
MetsYankeesRedSox
You’re right….he was best of all of them. Friend/big Sox fan thought they were stupid including A-Gon but a quarter billion in salary!
tesseract
I find it amazing how people think their team can trade for an elite level major league player for: a real prospect that projects to be an average major leaguer, a poor major league player, a bad prospect and “a mid level prospect” or whatever that means. There is no value in quantity, you trade elite players for multiple elite prospects or multiple above average major league players AND a elite prospect. It’s not like adding “pieces” sweetens the deal, each time has full rosters in AAA and AA that they can tap into when needed.
biasisrelitive
Exactly quantity can get u from almost to a done deal but it can’t be the basis for your entire deal
cyclone24
Trade Rosario Smith and Matz And lower minor leaguers for Realmuto Conley
cyclone24
Bring up Giminez to play SS
Z-A 2
Alfaro is too cheap to let go, esp with his projections not far behind JT
brave from the woods
Braves need to shore up something or they’re gonna get left behind.
ScottRolen
Mitch Haniger.
mj-2
Mitch Haniger
justin-turner overdrive
Mitch Hanige
jk2me1310
Mitch Haniger
bhambrave
Mitch Haniger
Iron Horse
John Coctostan
@DaOldDerbyBastard
Dr. Rosenpenis.
retire21
What kind of name is Poon?
Knowthemarket
Hitch Maniger. =}
Seriously, calm down. Lots of off-season left. If you are really keeping a running tally then every team except the Marlins have made 1 significant move.
CT
You mean like the Donaldson signing?
MetsYankeesRedSox
Yankees!
justin-turner overdrive
Oakland could be a dark horse for JT
DannyP
Who would they deal? Murphey, Baretto?
slider32
I can’t see the Marlins trading with the Mets on this one!
Not the real Sports Pope
Why the marlins were dumb enough to give us Piazza for Preston Wilson
The Krukker
Piazza was a rental. Mets had to re-sign him after the season. Wilson finished 2nd in the ROY voting the following year in 1999 and he averaged over 2.0 WAR for the Marlins during his three full seasons in Miami. He was still Preston Wilson, I get it, but the numbers don’t lie and the Marlins also turned him into Juan Pierre, so I’d say they did pretty well.
Mjm117
Preston Wilson enjoyed a decent career and Juan Pierre did great for the Marlins championship team. But nobody can seriously say Fish did well in gifting Piazza to the Mets.
Mjm117
That was a horrific trade by the Fish. Especially since they gave up so much to the Dodgers.
Similar mistake as the Mets trading for Bonilla and the contract that never ends. Or Seaver to the Reds.
The Krukker
Sheffield for rental Piazza was a horrific trade. Slinging rental Piazza for Wilson was pretty good in a vacuum. Ultimately trading Sheffield for Wilson was terrible, but the gift went to the Dodgers, not the Mets. NY had to Pony up for Piazza’s services in 1999 and beyond.
andrewgauldin
Gimenez, Alonso, and Plawecki? Not to familiar with the Mets system, but I’m almost certain Alonso would be in a Realmuto deal since they acquire Cano. I assume one of Plawecki, d’Arnaud is in the deal as well. I’m not sure how Kylome, Kay, and the rest of the Mets pitching prospects grade out. So I just went with the top two prospects, 2 top 100 prospects.. I feel like that would get it done. Idk if that’s too much or too little, but I’d accept if I was the marlins
alc47
Alonso is most likely going to be the Mets starting first basemen, doubtful they trade him.
scottstots
I don’t think the mets can get him without including both Gimenez and Alonso
justin-turner overdrive
Cano is the Mets future 1B.
Bartolo Simpson
I think Gimenez, Alonso and some AA pitching pieces would be fair and appeal to MIA’s window. I’d rather keep all the ML active guys. My biggest issue with this proposal is just that BVW seems to have a special bond with Alonso, though I agree that taken together with the Canó acquisition, Alonso becomes a little more tradeable.
Tim Cole
Matz, Nimmo, darnau, gimenez. They would have wiped out their farm system, but nothing a Syndergaard trade can’t fix.
pinstripes17
Why would the Mets grade Matz and Nimmo and why would the non contending Marlins need them?
Tim Cole
Why would the non contending marlins want a 25 year old outfielder with a .400 obp and a 27 year old lefty when they’re only lefty starter is wei-yin chen?
alc47
What ? The marlins only want prospects, highly ranked ones at that. The Mets don’t have enough.
Tim Cole
Did you guys read the article? Lol
“Mets would have to include at least one young major leaguer in order to pry realmuto from Miami”
alc47
Yea I read the article, the Marlins want top prospects as the main pieces.
Tim Cole
Per Ken Rosenthal:
#Marlins want at least one controllable major-league asset as centerpiece for Realmuto.
RedRooster
Why tho? They’d just be wasting his club control for at least the next 3 years.
RedRooster
Because the outfielder and lefty starter in question will be free agents before they are contending
southbeachbully
Did you read “Martino speculated that Amed Rosario’s name could come into play, and Rosenthal adds both Brandon Nimmo and Michael Conforto as the type of talents that could pique Miami’s interest”. That sounds like a reporter speculating his butt off.
luclusciano
To be fair – this whole article is a speculation piece
carlos15
There is no way Rosario is gonna get traded for Realmuto.
alc47
They would want more on top of him anyway, he’s the Mets starting SS it doesn’t make sense lol
Samuel
Well……
A number of decent SS’s the Mets could sign in free agency at a reasonable price as a stopgap for a few years until Andres Gimenez is ready.
I would trade them Conforto along with Rosario as he and Nimmo are similar LH hitting corner OF’s; and Nimmo appears more consistent with higher upside potential. The Mets would then have to add a good young pitcher – not sure they have one to spare.
The problem then is that the Mets cupboard is bare for future trades, and if they have a few injuries as they did in 2018, there is no depth to cover for them. Which means that BVW needs to made some smart, inexpensive FA signings before the 2019 season starts.
The problem then becomes that Realmuto will only be there for 2 years.
The one thing we don’t know – if the Mets are in contention nearing the trade deadline, and Cespades can play, and some insurance money kicks in, will the budget open up some.
cyclone24
If they trade Matz Rosario Smith and 2 lower level minor leaguers for Realmuto and Conley both teams would do it
cyclone24
Bring up Giminez to play SS
NewYorker
I do like this trade especially if we can sub Steckenrider for Conley .I don’t feel like we can count on Matz staying healthy and Rosario is overhyped.
Mjm117
Exactly!! Let’s throw “we can’t count on”Matz and an “overhyped” Rosario plus AAAA Prospect In Smith for Realmuto.
Great deal for the Mets!!!!
sandman12
That’s right! Rosario had a ..3 WAR last season. You don’t trade a performer like that!
Elfod325
Could easily see a package centered on Rosario. With them having acquired cano and him slated for 2b they could play McNeil at SS. No way they get two of Rosario Nimmo and conforto tho
anthonyd4412
4 years of Contreras for 2 years of Realmuto.
Ejemp2006
The Marlins make me sad. They are the best reason we should oppose any additional expansion. Before the tear down, they had one of the best young rosters in the majors. If they had gone the other way and added a few pitchers last offseason, they would have competed for a championship in 18, instead of being a laughing stock. The fact is, the Florida market can barely support one team, let alone two. The true Rays and Marlins fans are world class baseball junkies that would be better served if they could join forces and root for just one Florida team. However greed split them up. Now here we have Realmuto, the consensus best catcher in the game today, being shopped even though his salary is very reasonable. Marlins and Rays, please make a secret deal and take turns competing. Ship Realmuto to Tampa for three live dolphins and four AA pitchers. Then in 2021, after we get a few championship parades in Tampa, the Rays will return the favor and ship their best young talent to Miami for three live devil rays and four AA pitchers.
petrie000
I don’t think the Marlins are an indictment of expansion so much as they are one of sh**ty ownership
New teams, fine. Proven cheapskate owners? Not so fine.
ScottRolen
Third ownership group for the Marlins, same result.
No expansion.
Mjm117
4th ownership group. But who’s counting.
No expansion
Ejemp2006
I am in the minority but I respect the Marlins and Rays because in the absence of revenue, they have both innovated in ways that allowed them to have some highly competitive teams. The Marlins created the build it up, tear down model that everyone follows now. The Rays have nearly perfected developing young pitchers, maximizing years of control and then trading them for great prospects before any sign of decline. Even when the Marlins and Rays are winning, they can’t draw crowds. In Michigan, we’re nearly all Tigers fans and some travel 100s of miles to see a game. Florida baseball should have one team and unite the fan base. If it were up to me, I’d contract the league. Shut down the Royals, Rays, Angels, Rangers, Orioles and Mets.
southbeachbully
So you want mlb baseball, who thrive off of tv contracts, to remove teams from Los Angeles, Dallas/Ft. Worth metro, Baltimore and New York? Some of the biggest markets? Really? Those franchises in particular, have been relatively successful although the Rangers have yet to win anything. But it’s not like their attendance hasn’t been good.
Ejemp2006
Install a hard cap. The Yankees absorb the Mets fans. LA already has two other teams. Dallas keep hoodwinking the local rax layers into building new stadiums While they make up excuses for their inability to generate revenue. The Nats absorb the Orioles fans. With the cap in place, everyone has a chance to win. If we contract the league, overall quality of play goes up. My hypothesis is, even if we decrease the number of teams, we will still have about the same number of fans.
SoCalBrave
So if they cut your favorite team, you’ll just move on to what ever other team is closer. That has the most uninformed opinion I’ve ever read.
steelerbravenation
I can’t believe how many of you ppl really believe a couple of overpriced hot dogs and beers really make a difference in a teams bottom line. OWNERS DON’T REALLY CARE HOW MANY PEOPLE GO TO A GAME. They say they do because it is an easy way to get ppl to believe they are broke.
Just look at how much money the Red Sox paid in luvury tax money. Do you really think it was ttendance that made it then have the ability to pay that ?
Now going to Fenway is an event for rich ppl half of them don’t even care who wins the game. Most of them if they were not at the game on a summer night wouldn’t be watching at home. The blue collar fan will be they live breath and eat baseball. A teams revenue is dictated by tv ratings why do you think all these teams now are getting their own sport networks ?
Bill Francis
What? The Angels draw 3 million every year and are in the LA television market. The Rangers will draw 3 million when they get their new stadium. The Royals can draw close to 3 million when they are competitive, but they go for it in spurts. The Mets will likely draw well this year if they keep building a team that’s trying to win. The Rays – well yeah – they need to move to Las Vegas or San Antonio.
MetsYankeesRedSox
The original dolphin offer was one dolphin. Now it’s three dolphins and later three devil Rays.
Any of these trades “imminent”?
JT19
The new ownership group had to completely tear it down because the team was in so much debt. They didn’t want to trade Yelich but he demanded it, and its not like his stats, albeit very solid, screamed MVP when he was in Miami. It was smart to trade Ozuna while his value was high and not many owners want to be strapped down by Stanton’s contract (the Yankees barely want to and they’re the richest MLB franchise). Have the trades hurt the fan relationship with the franchise? Of course, but it was 100% the right move to make.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Seen them win twice & torn down twice within six years. I believe they’re doing the right thing again.
Cashford64
Ridiculous comment. The Marlins had a great young lineup, sure, but they also had a garbage pitching staff from top to bottom, a bottom-of-the-league farm system, and no money to work with. I’m not defending the Marlins organization in any way, but only a fool would think they were a pitcher or two away from competing for a championship last year.
Metsufferingsince86
McNeil is the young major leaguer, plus Gimenez, Gsellman, maybe Desmond Lindsay gets it done. It’s a lot to give up, but Brody wants to win now…
steelerbravenation
McNeil is not that young
MetsYankeesRedSox
You’ve been driving around in New Jersey traffic too much. He’s two thirds the way to 27…. 35 years ago for me
steelerbravenation
He is going to be 27 around the beginning of the season that is not extremely young for what is essentially his rookie year
Sorry used to Acuna, Soroka, Albies, Wilson all what 19-20 yrs old making their debuts. That’s a big difference.
ScottRolen
McNeil is 26 years old. The Marlins traded Miguel Cabrera to Detroit when Cabrera was 25.
steelerbravenation
He will be 27 and that’s a stupid comparison when Cabrera had been in the majors how long before he was traded ?
Mjm117
He debuted at 20 years old. It wasn’t like Cabrera played one year and traded at 25. But F*** Facts.
Dicka24
I know it’s been mentioned in places already, with some thinking positively about it and others saying no way in both directions, but a Gary Sanchez for JT based deal does make sense for both parties. Sanchez has more control and can always be moved 2 years down the road if the Marlins aren’t near their window, and JT is the superior defensive player which is more important to the Yankees imo. Don’t get me wrong, I see the naysayers points on all sides, but there are some pros as well.
marlins17
How about JT for Gimenez, Alsonso and McNeil? : ) … i would take that all day long as a Marlins fan ha.
PhilliesFan012
If the Phillies wanted him, what’s going back to Miami? Alfaro? Medina? I don’t feel like being berated in the comments so I won’t post a proposal, but curious as to what people think would have to go back to Miami
petrie000
Alfaro is probably a given, unfortunately. But realistically it’d probably take both to win a bidding war.
ScottRolen
Alfaro is 26 years old. Cabrera was 25 when the Marlins shipped Cabrera to Detroit.
Once a Marlins player is seen shaving the Marlins start shopping him.
bobtillman
Again, seriously folks, the market for JT is HUGE…..a complete bidding war. Take a look at everything that’s been suggested….none of them are really enough. It may take some 3-corner action, but Jeter should do extremely well here.
petrie000
Unless his demands get utterly unrealistic and too many of the bidders decide to fill thier needs in other ways
It’s not a rare occurrence for a team to over play their hand and wind up getting far less than they thought. The amount of stupid execs is fairly low these days, so waiting for a ridiculous overpay is a dangerous gambit.
kbarr888
Jeter will do exactly that.
He choked in last winter’s deals….so he’s trying to make up for that.
Just because they’re asking teams for a ridiculous amount of talent in return…. doesn’t really mean there’s a bidding war.
If teams were offering a ridiculous amount of talent…..and the Marlins were allowing them to outbid each other….. then we would have something called a bidding war.
Right now we have an owner who is delusional about the return he’s going to get for a catcher.
Jean Matrac
“Right now we have an owner who is delusional about the return he’s going to get for a catcher.”
What? You post that like being catcher is somewhat less desirable. Good defensive catchers that can hit are as rare as hen’s teeth. If anything catchers have some of the highest value out there. After Harper and Machado, Realmuto has to be the most sought after asset available. I doubt that there’s a pitcher on the trading block that will bring back a return comparable to what Realmuto will. The Marlins aren’t delusional, you are.
justin-turner overdrive
I’m thinking Alonso, McNeil, Gimenez and one more for JT gets it done.
savagedeluxe
Agree, surprised not to see McNeils name more involved, especially since the mets landed Cano
andrewgauldin
Is Sixto Sanchez untouchable?
dirtydan
I don’t think the Phillies really have any untouchable prospects but Sixto would only be traded for an elite player.
TradeAcuna
The Marlins should have been this aggressive to get the best for Yelich. Realmuto is a good player but not worth the prospect haul attached to him. He will be a great fit on an already great team like the Astros. Not so sure about the Mets.
blackandteal
I completely agree with your first statement. Yelich should have brought so much more.
Kenleyfornia74
If they aren’t getting Conforto there is no chance they get Bellinger (who is much better than Conforto)
kbarr888
Cody Bellinger is worth 4 times what Realmuto is worth……. and I live in South Florida.
Anybody who thinks that the Dodgers would trade Cody Bellinger for JT Realmuto…….is a complete idiot.
JayRyder
WOW. METS MAKING SOME MOVES. ! ! !
-If your a fan, You Gotta Love It. !!!!
jakec77
Every moment the Mets spend talking about Realmuto is a moment better spent figuring out which FA catcher to target, and signing him.
I’m a Mets fan, and I’m hard pressed to think of a team that is not a better fit in a Realmuto trade. Giants maybe?
Herb G 2
A trade for Realmuto that makes sense for the Mets would center around either McNeill or Nimmo. I would hate to lose McNeill, but I think he is more expendable than Nimmo. My offer would be:
McNeill, Dom Smith, Plawecki, Ronny Mauricio and Anthony Kay.
With Mcneill, the Fish could move Brain Anderson to the outfield where they are very shallow. If they insisted on Nimmo, I would surrender him.
They definitely need a 1B either as a regular, or to pair with RH hitting Peter O’Brien., and Smith’s second half splits (.264/.293,/.514/.807) should be encouraging.
Plawecki would be an adequate place holder behind the plate as the team rebuilds.
I don’t want to give up Gimenez. Mauricio (now our #6 prospect) coupled with Kay (our #5) could be enough to swing the deal.
stretch123
The Marlins would not accept that deal. They would likely want either Nimmo or Conforto as the centerpiece and 1 player out of Alonso or Gimenez, rounded out by a lower level flyer prospect or two. Remember, it’s an interdivision trade. I could definitely see the two sides agreeing on something like Gimenez, McNeil, Peterson, and Mark Vientos but that would require Miami to not request Alonso, Nimmo or Conforto, which in my opinion is too much for Realmuto anyhow.
Herb G 2
What Miami would want and what Miami will get are two different things.. It all depends on what others offer. Of course, your inclusion of Gimenez and Peterson are upgrades over my offer of Mauricio and Kay. But a MLB ready Smith might be preferable to Vientos, who has only performed at lower levels and is about 3 years away. Also, they don’t have a good catching prospect and getting Plawecki thrown in might be a better option that going into the FA market for a cheap catcher. Only time, and the state of the market for Realmuto, will tell.
Mjm117
Will Banfield says hello, Herb.
And Brian Anderson started more games in the OF, at RF, than he did at 3B.
You clearly don’t follow the Marlins much. Can’t say that I blame you there, however.
steelerbravenation
That offer would get trumped by the Braves
Pache, Gohora, Allard, Wilson & Demeritte
That would be 4 organizational top 10 prospects in a top 2-3 farm system and a power hitting & great fielding wild card lotto guy.
Point is stop with the nonsense trade proposals if Realmuto were to be moved in the division there is no way possible he wouldn’t be moved to the Braves.
There is no scenerio where the Braves could be out bid for anybody they wanted.
Herb G 2
Having just brought back McCann (albeit as a backup) it is questionable how much the Braves want Muto.. And assuming they do, it is questionable as to whether they would want to part with your package. Top 100 prospects fizzle every day and it all depends on how Miami would assess the competing packages. Let’s wait and see.
jbigz12
Top 100 prospects do fizzle. Dom smith is about 90% fizzled out. If nimmo is the headliner there’s a deal to be made. Otherwise it’ll take Gimenez or Rosario. No doubt about it.
ScottRolen
If the Mets traded Conforto for Realmuto within 72 hours we would read our first rumor of the Marlins shopping Conforto.
brandons-3
Wow the Mets remembered they’re in a major market.
IloveMACfootball
I don’t understand the attraction of Realmuto. Yeah, he’s good, for a catcher. He’s not a headliner that I would trade real talent like Rosario, Conforto, or Nimmo for.
Willy Mays
Hello. As a catcher he hit 277 with 21 hrs last year at a generally non hitting position. Conforto hit 243 with 28 hrs last year which is a very average of
shea
If your argument is based on batting average you immediately reveal yourself as not knowing what you’re talking about.
I’m not saying Realmuto isn’t a very good hitter and worth trading for, just that this doesn’t really have anything to do with his BA.
stretch123
He’s the best catcher in the game
SoCalBrave
21 HR playing on that huge park with no protection. Plus he is a good defender and game caller.
stretch123
Plawecki, Peter Alonso, Jeff McNeil and Andre Gimenez for Realmuto
Herb G 2
Overpay. Mets top 2 prospects plus a young guy who has proven he can hit MLB pitching too the tune of .300+. I’m not making that deal.
Mjm117
Major overpay!! David Wright and Bobby Bonilla’s contract for Realmuto and $20 mill to pay off Harper’s first year of his 10’year contract
Danny B.
Simple trade proposal:
Mets get: JT Realmuto
Marlins get: Amed Rosario, Brandon Nimmo, David Peterson & Juan Lagares
The Mets MUST find a taker for Lagares’s $9.5 million contract. The Mets could then allocate those additional funds into an upgrade in the outfield(Harper/Pollock), relievers(Miller/Robertson/Britton/Ottavino) and even the starting rotation if they chose to trade Syndergaard for an elite third baseman such as Arenado or Bryant.
stretch123
This is actually not a bad deal for the Marlins but I’d rather the they get Gimenez instead of Rosario.
djperez9
It’s an awful deal for the Mets and will never happen.
Danny B.
How is this an awful trade for the Mets??? Rosario & Nimmo have proven NOTHING. Lagares is injury prone and going into a walk year. Not to mention, if the Mets used Rosario to upgrade the catching position, it opens up SS for a potential run at Manny Machado. With Brodie Van Wagenen in town, this scenario is not far fetched.
ffjsisk
Nimmo has proved he can play a premium position (CF) and post a .400+ OBP over a full season. So yeah, he’s proven something.
Danny B.
Wow, he has proven himself for “one” season. What was I thinking about offering Nimmo for the best catcher in baseball. Maybe we should offer Nimmo for Mike Trout instead…………..
ffjsisk
Lol, check Realmuto’s numbers. He’s only really proven himself one season.
Danny B.
I did check his numbers and his WAR has gone up 4 straight years. 2.4, 2.6, 3.6 & 4.3 in 2018. Maybe you should look up every other catcher and baseball to compare WAR’s. Realmuto is an elite catcher……period.
Jean Matrac
Catcher is more a premium position than CF is.
Danny B.
Thank you tad2b13.
ffjsisk
Still less WAR than Nimmo last year
Danny B.
Nimmo is not playing a premium position, Realmuto is. There’s no argument that ends with ANYONE considering Nimmo better than Realmuto. Will NEVER happen.
ffjsisk
CF is absolutely a premium position. Catcher may be harder to fill with an elite bat but that doesn’t take away from Nimmo. Just remember when Nimmo was drafted, every analyst said he had massive potential but was going to take longer to develop than a typical high schooler because of where he played. Now at 25, with 4 years of control, and still ascending, I think he has more surplus value than 2 years of Realmuto who even if he was the best catcher in mlb last year, he was nowhere near the numbers of Buster, Yadi, or BMac during their primes. He’s a very good player, but he’s a 270/330 guy with 15-20 homer potential. Basically Jonathan Lucroy. I’m not giving up 4 years of Nimmo plus all the other pieces it would take for 2 years of that. Better to trade for Cervelli.
Danny B.
If the Mets could get Realmuto for Nimmo, Gimenez, David Peterson & Juan Lagares, I would absolutely pounce on that trade scenario and then focus the same added funds that would’ve gone to say Machado had Rosario vacated SS in going all in on Bryce Harper. Again, with Brodie Van Wagenen, nothing’s impossible.
thecrown24
100 percent as a Mets fan do that deal I personally think the Marlins can get better offers elsewhere though and I never understood the idea of trading within the division (unless it is the absolute best deal possible) the one you proposed earlier with including Rosario doesn’t make sense imo though. We need to have a guy who has proven he can play SS at the major league level defensively and Rosario is still young enough to come into his own on the offensive front. Granted small sample size but the last 30 games of the year Rosasrio hit over 300 and ended the year on a high note.
elmore80
Brodie Van Wagenen has made 1 deal.
djperez9
The Mets are not trading 1/3 of their starting lineup for realmuto
Willy Mays
So in your mind the Marlins are looking to pick up salary. Thats a good one
santheman3
Why would the mets trade their young starting core to fill one hole… if they cant agree on a fair trade, the mets can simply Aquire a catcher via fa. Get your head out the gutter. Mets are aggressive rn yes but they arent getting harper or machado. If anything were to be done with nimmo, i wouldnt it to be for kluber even though he will be making a ton of money and then headline a trade for JT with matz, Gimenez/Mcneil, and Peterson/Lindsay
Danny B.
Core??? What have these players accomplished??? Answer, NOTHING. There’s no core here. It’s just a collection of players who have lost more than they’ve won. Plain & simple.
santheman3
You have to be realistic. This isnt the video the show where you can finesse unfair trades and trade away the team who started with for all stars. Our outfield is young and can hit. Conforto needs players on base to perform better but his numbers are average. He is getting better every year. Nimmo is what the mets need. A hustle player who does whatever it takes to get on base but yea buddy. Mets “get sign harper for 10 years half a billion” while your at it sign harper trade thor for nado/KB…you must not watch baseball..PLAIN AND SIMPLE
santheman3
Lol that made no sense. Damn autocorrect. Anyway u get what i mean.
jvent
Forget Realmuto the Mets can make 2 trades and gain multiple players at positions they need with trading Syndergaard to the Dodgers for Ruiz (catcher), Verdugo (cf), Wood (sp) and Puig. Than the Mets can trade Nimmo,Matz and Frazier to Cleveland for Kluber.
Sign Miller and Robertson
Rotation: deGrom,Kluber,Wood,Wheeler and Lugo (Vargas).
Lineup: Verdugo(cf),McNeil(3b),Cano(2b),Alonso(1b),Conforto(Lf),Puig(rf),Rosario and Ruiz..
2 Trades and 2 FA rp’s Can change this team around.
paddyo furnichuh
While you may be touching upon some interesting 3-way trade pieces, I doubt the Dodgers are looking to acquire a frontline SP. Their SP depth is an area they may deal from to acquire a stud C or CF.
andrewgauldin
I was thinking more of a 3 way deal between the Marlins, Dodgers, and Indians. Kluber to Dodgers, Realmuto to Dodgers, Steckenrider to Indiana, D. Santana and Caleb Ferguson to Marlins, Alex Verdugo and Yasiel Puig to Indians. And of course a bunch of prospects going everywhere. But idk. Just an idea I’ve had in my head throughout the day.
corey5kersh22
More like Verdugo, stripling, wood, and will Smith for Syndergaard
southbeachbully
So the Dodgers would trade 2 top 40 prospects, a solid mid-rotation mlb starter in Wood and a solid mlb RF in Puig for 3 years of Syndergard who’s great, but a huge health risk?
Sounds like a big overpay. From the Dodgers perspective, I wouldn’t add Wood or Puig as throw ins. They have value and be could be traded elsewhere.
hockeyjohn
Nimmo, Matz, and Frazier will not get Kluber. Cleveland has no need for Frazier and his salary, Nimmo and Matz is not enough. Several teams will beat that offer for Kluber,
ffjsisk
No way I give up Nimmo if I’m the Mets. Dude is about to break out.
georgebell 2
Nimmo did better than expected so maybe they are selling high. Marlins should probably look into getting a younger centerpiece given their timeline.
southbeachbully
Why does anyone feel that JT ( a 4.8 WAR player) with 2 years of control should warrant Nimmo (a 4,.5 WAR player in his first full season) with 4 years of control + other prospects? I get that C is a premium position but in terms of value, Nimmo is as valuable, and maybe more valuable, than JT?
I mean, almost every trade we see for a player “like” JT almost always involves prospects. I doubt they get a Nimmo or Conforto and I haven’t seen anything in the media that indicates the Marlins are asking for either or a Gary Sanchez for that matter. Considering how the Marlins aren’t close to contending, wouldn’t they be better trying to get 2 top 100 prospects and a couple of lesser known prospects? By the time the Marlins are contending again both Nimmo or Conforto would probably be FA or in the last year of team control.
Jean Matrac
Some good points, but the issue is supply and demand. In addition to the position of catcher being a more important one, there are far more good CFers out there than there are good defensive catchers than can hit.
seanwh01
I just hope the Marlins trade that guy that sits behind home plate along with Realmuto.
santheman3
Marlins want a major-league controllable asset. Mets are finally being aggressive and smart too. Pray the marlins are stupid enough or intrigued to take Matz as the headliner, with Mcneil, and peterson or Desmond Lindsay…
steelerbravenation
Stop the nonsense any deal the Mets could come with the Braves would trump in a heartbeat.
bryan c
I think it’s cute how nervous you are
Zach725
Braves don’t need to move major prospects just to block a trade to the Mets. That’s how teams get stuck in between being a championship caliber team and missing the playoffs. Braves need to stick to their plan and find the players that work best for them.
steelerbravenation
It would not being made to block the Mets. It would be made to improve a position. They were told he would not be dealt in the division so now if the Marlins change their mind on that I am sure the Braves would regain interest.
All I am saying is if the Marlins change their mind the Braves package would be significantly better so they shouldn’t get their hopes up. It has been reported the Braves interest for months now. You think Brian McCann’s old ass gonna change that ? Please keep him and trade Flowers if the Marlins change their mind.
andrewgauldin
As one who roots for the Fish, I’d prefer a Gimenez and Alonso package over a Nimmo or Conforto or Rosario headliner.
steelerbravenation
If Miami was to trade him to any team in the division it would be the Braves nobody in the division would be able to match them. End of story he isn’t getting dealt in the division.
bobtillman
Yes, yes, yes and yes……but be prepared…you might be looking at Riley, Wright and Pache to start….
bbritton209
That deal won’t happen. I’m not employed by the Braves but AA is too smart for that. First of all, Riley is about as untouchable as you can get in the Braves system. Makes no sense to trade him when there are so many questions at 3B. Will Donaldson regain what he lost? Can Camargo continue to our perform his minor league numbers and seriously become an everyday 3B instead of a Super Utility player like everyone has claimed him to be? And if Donaldson does well but doesn’t resign, where is the power we need going to come from? Riley plays too big of a part in that equation to trade him.
Psyche may be offered, and would hurt, but I could deal with it. Also any deal for JTR would more than likely include Flowers as well and McCann would instantly be a backup player.
steelerbravenation
Pache, Flowers, Gohora & B. Wilson is better than any proposal I read on here the Mets fans would offer. Throw in Demeritte who is a wild card lotto prospect
Mets make a couple moves and now their fans think they turned into the Yankees. Face it your farm stinks you don’t have the prospects to compete with the Braves for a guy they want to acquire too.
Mjm117
Not a bad offer. But with the entire division, save for Nats, plus other teams, the Marlins and their ridiculous demands continue gain leverage.
Soroka or Wright have to headline the return for Realmuto.
campos101214
Realmuto to the Giants for C Garcia P Suarez OF Slater.
andrewgauldin
not enough for Realmuto. And if Realmuto is to go to SF, B Belt would need to be traded beforehand, so that Posey could move to first. But I do love the idea of Garcia coming back to Florida, since he played college ball at FIU in Miami. And I do think this is possible, this would free up money from the Giants given they trade Belt. It would be very interesting
1988wasalongtimeago
Syndergaard and Nimmo, no prospects for Realmuto. The Marlins need pitching desperately.
andrewgauldin
The marlins are in a rebuild, and do not need Syndergaard. However, if the Mets were to offer this, I’m sure the Marlins would accept this in a heart beat, but then trade Syndergaard away for prospects lol
Iron Horse
No way the Mets – or anyone for that matter- trades a player who has already shown he can play at the MLB level. So no Nimmo, no Conforto, no Soto, no Albies, no Bellinger. The Marlins need to quit being ridiculous with their demands or they will end up with zilch. The Dodgers are the natural fit with 2 top 100 catchers and other good pieces, particularly pitching pieces.
bobtillman
Ya I think you have a point there. But again, be prepared…Verdugo, Ruiz and Matt White…..if Smith, then Verdugo, Smith and Dustin May…..
Iron Horse
I could easily see both of those.
Mjm117
Why do they have to quit with their ridiculous demands as you put it? Especially when there’s 3 division rivals and a few other contending teams looking to obtain Realmuto.
Granted, there’s obviously risk for the Fish. Nats no longer willing to pay the price, and went another route, so that rules one team. But when you have supply and demand leverage in Realmuto and at least half a dozen teams seriously wanting JTR…Marlins are in their right to ask for a huge haul for Realmuto.
Ty1990
I seriously don’t know why have the teams in the MLB exist. The Corbin deal is just another example that teams like my Reds have business in the league anymore. MLB wonders why no one watches baseball? Because a good portion of the teams will never be able to afford any of the good player anymore. When they do, it just means they ate up 10-20 percent of their budget for someone who will most likely get injured over the course of the contract. This is why the NFL is vastly superior to baseball. Soon, no one will care about the sport.
c1234
I personally think it’s because of the 162 game season (which I do like). I bet if a MLB season was 16 games I bet those stadium would get full.
steelerbravenation
The stadium attendance has absolutely nothing to do with the profit of baseball. Teams don’t want the average blue collar fan who follows the team religiously at the games anymore. They want ppl to go to games that treat it like an event, that come out & spend money in the stadium on drinks, food, souvenirs maybe go to one of the many resteraunts in the stadium.
They want the average joe type guy that can afford to take their family to 1 or 2 games a year to stay home and watch the team on tv because then their tv ratings go up and they charge more for advertising. In the summer the hardcore baseball fan is watching the games. The casual fan is not. There is a ton of other activities for the casual fan to do in any city in America in the summer. The live baseball experience has to be an event to draw them in win lose or draw. The outcome of the games are irrelevant for that type of fan.
Keep thinking that teams care about attendance you are sipping the kool aid the small market teams are stirring. Just because they are small market doesn’t mean they are not making money. Why do you think they won’t open their books they don’t want ppl knowing how much money mlb teams really make.
Ejemp2006
Couldn’t agree more. I have a baseball addiction akin to a heroine addiction and still I couldn’t stomach the product that my Tigers put on the field last year so I had to go cold turkey and deal with the shakes all summer long. The level of polarity in the sport has reached ridiculous levels. Please install a salary cap and implement a profit sharing system that ensures the owners don’t reap all the rewards.
steelerbravenation
That’s the problem they don’t need a profit sharing they need a fund where every team puts in 10% of their profits every year and that fund goes to financing new stadiums across the sport as they are needed. These tv contracts and media based contracts that are being paid out going into the owners pockets and then teams crying poverty because the stadiums are empty
Rex Block
You’d have to reopen the CBA and the players would almost certainly go on strike.
@DaOldDerbyBastard
I’d rather go after Ramos than lose Nimmo, Conforto, Alonso, or Gimenez. I’m not really sold on Rosario.
Danny B.
I like Ramos too, a lot actually, but his injury history is worrisome. Especially since we’ve been dealing with d’Arnaud for years now, the definition of injury prone.
mets1536
Marlins don’t want LaGares he’s going to make 9.5M & always gets hurt diving for balls.
Danny B.
Of course they don’t want Lagares but if they took his one year contract off of the Mets books, that would more than likely entice the Mets to include more valuable pieces to any trade. It’s clear that the Mets want to win within the next year or two and the Marlins are looking to start contending in maybe 3-4 years. Makes sense.
robzilla1572
Maybe alfaro, Medina and Kingery sound fair ?
Danny B.
Oh my lord that’s an horrendous offer. If the Mets offered Amed Rosario BY HIMSELF, that would be more valuable than this proposal.
ericl
The Marlins can a get a better package from the Astrons, even if they don’t get Whitely in the deal. They can center a deal around Kyle Tucker and fill in around that. I’m sorry but Brandon Nimmo is not a centerpiece for a deal for one of the top catchers in baseball. He’s a good player, but he’s not a star player & I don’t see him as a potential star player (like Tucker). He’s also not a top prospect. Nimmo would be a good secondary piece behind a real centerpiece.
Mjm117
Agreed. Tucker and J. James should be enough for Realmuto
callingoutdummies247
Conforto plus for Realmuto, Sign Harper and two relievers and then you have a strong club. (Oh Mets fans…. I bet this got you dreaming)
Hantoneenee
I’d be dreaming if they moved rosario + for Realmuto, kept Nimmo, McNeil and Conforto…….then signed Machado. ….I could dream can’t I?
cyclone24
Mets should trade Rosario Smith Matz for Realmuto
tealmarlin
Naa, better trade him to the Dodgers, help them win it all and get some good prospects.
seamaholic 2
Wait, Jeter thinks Conforto is more valuable than Nimmo?
antsmith7
Couldn’t the Braves beat anything the Mets can offer? They have a way better farm system.
andrewgauldin
Yes but they have Flowers and McCann. I doubt they go after Realmuto now.
lapmando
The only two Mets with heart and hustle, Nimmo and McNeil and Rosario is coming on and this organization just completely messes with them. This organization is a joke!!!
Say Hey Now Kid
I could be wrong but I think Rosario is overrated. I really hope we keep McNeil and Nimmo though.
bravesfan
If this is what it’s gonna take to get JT then every team needs to back out and just wait. It’s far too much. Plus let’s be honest… even under new mgmt, the marlins historically will pull the trigger on an awful deal
Mjm117
Good thing the Mets/Braves/Phillies plus other teams haven’t backed out yet. Giving Fish and their demands more leverage.
Hopefully his trades to the Braves and they overpay for Realmuto.
Mjm117
He’s*
Danny B.
Hearing today that the Marlins want Nimmo, Rosario & a promising prospect(doesn’t have to be a Top 100 prospect) to get a deal done with the Mets. The Mets are hesitant to include Rosario but I think I would pull the trigger on this deal and here’s why. If the Mets could get Realmuto without giving up Conforto, Alonso or Gimenez, then I think it’s a slam dunk. The Mets could then sign AJ Pollock to play CF and even sign either Jose Iglesias or Freddy Galvis to play SS. Iglesias had a 2.2 WAR in 2018 and Galvis had a 2.3 WAR. Both would provide the Mets infield with a good defensive player that won’t be a liability on offense. The Mets lineup would start taking some serious shape.
1. Jeff McNeil (3B)
2. AJ Pollock (CF)
3. Robinson Cano (2B)
4. JT Realmuto (C)
5. Michael Conforto (RF)
6. Peter Alonso/Todd Frazier (1B)
7. Jose Iglesias or Freddy Galvis (SS)
8 Juan Lagares (LF)
1-5 is scary good!!! LGM!!!
Mjm117
So Mets give up none of their premier players for the Marlins last premier player. Make logical sense….only for the Mets.
Danny B.
Well you need to read more mjmorales117. I’m not making this stuff up, almost every article out there regarding these rumors have continuously stated that these are the players the Marlins want.
Mjm117
Should’ve been more specific, but Mets not shipping at least Rosario and Alonso to the Marlins would be a major waste and a tremendous step back.
Ideally, Conforto, Rosario, and Alonso for Realmuto should be the headliners.
Erie4312
what happened to the Marlins not wanting to trade to NL East
Mjm117
” Prefer not to” I believe was the more accurate description used when referirng to trading JTR within the same division.
Mjm117
And if I had a preference to trade within the division I’d obviously/easily choose the Braves and try to bare the cupboard dry as much as possible.
Or Houston for Tucker and J. James.
Erie4312
thats what im saying why all this talk with the mets when you could have dealt to braves in NL east
Even saying that the braves better not “bare the cupboard dry”
not wanting is pretty similar to prefer not to
Herb G 2
Huge overpay. Conforto 3 years younger, hasn’t yet reached his peak and with a year more of team control. Conforto and a mid level, good performing prospect would do it, but I am not giving up Conforto.
jbigz12
You’re valuing prospects over Nimmo? I’m sorry but you would’ve laughed the package off it included Rosario while he had all his pre prospect hype and now you want to to just dump off a good productive major leaguer like nimmo instead of a prospect who hasn’t proved squat at the big league level. You would think after Rosario and Smith’s Struggles Mets fans would get that
billysbballz
Rosario, Finding Nimmo and a few prospects should do it then Mets can sign Heccheveria to play SS and let Lagares play CF.
IloveMACfootball
These rumors don’t make any sense. Nimmo is worth more than Realmuto. Conforto is worth more than Realmuto. Rosario is worth more than Realmuto. The only reason Realmuto has any value is because he’s a catcher. The rumors make it seem like he’s Mike Piazza or something.. I hope the Mets just walk away from this nonsense. Piece the catcher position together and go sign some relievers already….
metseventually 2
Those 3 players are not worth more than Realmuto, especially this offseason. Controllable AS catcher >>>
imindless
Im not including nimmo if im mets. Rosario can go plus an additional top prospect. If rosario is centerpiece you do that in a heartbeat from mets perspective.
jim stem
I’d give them Rosario and Nimmo in a heartbeat. I like Nimmo, but come on. Outfielders can be gotten from anywhere. Hell, I’d throw in Matz. Look at the free agent list, Sp and OF can easily be added. Which is exactly the opposite of the catching market.
alien
umm… Marlins is going have to accept somebody’s offer.. cuz they are out of playoff picture for next 2 yrs at least. they already lost Braves and Stros as their trade partner.. Gimenez, D. Smith and Plawecki or just walk.. and acquire either Ramos or Maldonado..
metseventually 2
If it’s going to be the Mets, Conforto and Gimenez plus a solid B prospect. Why would Miami take 1 top prospect, and two failed prospects?
sampsonite168
Much rather trade Rosario than Nimmo
ray714
Wish the Dodgers would stop messing around and go trade for him! They have a clear need and prospects to get a deal done.
william-2
Rosario is lining up to be a player with roughly 1 WAR, and a .300 OBP. Nimmo is a nice player, but I think his cap will be at around ( a nice player.) Realmuto will be expensive in the future to keep, but the reason is because he is unarguably a top 3 catcher, playing at a position with league wide weakness, and is automatically one of their best hitters by simply existing. You can replace Rosario’s production with a league average player, and Nimmo can be replaced in nearly any years off season that has ever passed. Not sure what separates this trade in reality, but the Mets are insane to not pull the trigger over the above two players. My guess is that the Marlins, after two terrible returns on deals by all people in the know, need to shoot for the moon on this deal to make up for it. From their point of view, they need several high end pieces on this trade to save face. Jeter and his staff have looked inept to the league to this point
Kraz Nadler
If the Mets can make a package around Nimmo they would have a steal. I don’t think he will ever be around 900 ops again. Great guy but 4th outfielder material. Crazy though, he had one of the top 5 seasons statistically in Met history
imgman09
It’s obvious,if your in the same division the Marlins are going to ask you to over pay and it sets the tone for the rest of the Market,Mets you are a Pawn!
Lemonade24
Nice. lets go Mets
Mystery Team
So the Yankees inquired about Realmuto and were told the package would have to start with Gary Sanchez but the Mets and their fans are talking about Rosario, Smith, and Nimmo? GTFOH. There isn’t one decent guy in that bunch. Rosario’s bat is junk and Nimmo is not even a prospect anymore and Smith is a big ol’ bust so far. The Mets could add Trout, Goldschmidt, and Harper to their team and they would still find a way to eat s**t they’re the Mets.
AidanVega123
You’re the definition of a delusional Yankees homer.
andrewgauldin
A trio of Rosario, Nimmo, and Smith have more value than Sanchez. I’d argue Nimmo is very close to Sanchez’s value, maybe even higher, and then to add Rosario who has a ton of value as well, and then Dom Smith.
bryan c
I don’t think you have to argue that Nimmo has more value than Sanchez currently. More importantly, I believe both Miami & Cleveland agree as well.
Nimmo & either Rosario or Gimenez (Miami choice) plus a strong top 10 org prospect would be fine with me. Smith is not a chip and may be an all out bust so think more like a Peterson or Lindsay or even a Kay.
I wonder if taking Castro’s salary as well could help. He can man SS if you trade Rosario & Nimmo and then you sign an OF. Not in love with that but if it helps land JT, it’s worth consideration.
Kraz Nadler
U make me cry
jim stem
Rosario, Matz and Nido for Realmuto, Conley and Castro’s contract. (Logical salary dump). Cheap, young controllable talent. I think the Mets could easily replace Rosario (Galvis) and Matz (a large number of quality starters are available). Catching is thin across baseball, so give them what they want. He lead all mlb catchers in hits, runs, ops, average (over 400 at bats), 3rd in rbi (on a terrible team) and 4th in home runs in that cavernous ballpark and plays stellar defense. He’s 27. Put him in a good lineup, sit back and enjoy. In each of his five seasons, he’s made more starts than d’arnaud has ever made in any year. Stop messing around and get him.
Danny B.
I like this.
andrewgauldin
Marlins would want more. And I don’t believe Matz is a target of the fish.
Danny B.
I agree. If I were the Marlins, I wouldn’t want Matz either.
stwawk
So glad the Nats are out of this. Let some other team (preferably the Yankees) drain the farm for Realmuto.
DXC
The combination of the Mets’ “win now” path, already depleted farm and still thrifty ownership (even if they do agree to spend more, it will have limits) means they can’t just give up whatever it takes to get JTR and figure the rest out later. The deal has to be primarily prospect based, and it appears the Marlins want that too, so I think the Mets may have (just) enough. Nimmo, Gimenez and the pitching prospect of their choice (plus any catcher we have at any level) is good rational offer. Other assets that could be in play are Allonzo or even a PTBN which might translate to being this June’s 1st round pick.
tomrantmore
Does it make too much sense for the Mets to flip Rosario+ for Realmuto then immediately replace him with Machado?
Lights out in field, good enough lineup that you can justify Lagares in center. That is a solid, solid roster.
Herb G 2
That sounds great. But $350 million or more for Machado after taking on $100 million for Cano might be too large a pill for the Mets to swallow.
sportsnut969
Of course Nimmo is not viewed by other GM’s as a center piece to a trade he is a Platoon Outfielder. He is a nice young player but platoon players are not going to bring back much they are available on the free agent market every year on the cheap
Knowthemarket
I wonder about the validity of Mish and his report. On one hand I almost feel like if this were a legitimate ask from the Marlins or a trade they would except, the deal gets done.
On the other hand, it’s not always easy to know what the Braves value is for it’s prospects. The Braves signed Donaldson which says more than the Braves are moving Camargo for just one year. This may be the Braves looking to Riley as the future 3B. I read one scouts comparison of Soroka to Greg Maddux. Makes me wonder how the Braves view him.
sandman12
Turning into a 3-way deal
Mets get Realmuto and Rojas
Braves get Brandon Nimmo
Marlins get Rosario, Austin Riley, and Contreras
MarlinsFanBase
Wow, the Braves and Marlins would have to be in the business of making the Mets better instead of themselves. The Braves would definitely want to let the Mets get closer to them.
That’s how legit this trade scenario is.
Herb G 2
I am starting to think we should just forget any deal for Muto. Conforto, Nimmo and Rosario are all valuable, perhaps too valuable to part with. Nimmo’s year was as good or better than Realmuto’s. Conforto is a budding star, and Amed is only 23, not near peak value yet. Lets just sign Wilson Ramos and be done with it. Even Maldinado would be fine.
MarlinsFanBase
Nimmo as good or better than Realmuto? Please take off the Mets Goggles before you comment. You lost all credibility right there.
Herb G 2
That may be the most unbalanced proposal I have seen so far. Any one of them, in combination with some high level prospects like Gimenez and Kay should be enough for the Fish. If not, I am walking away. Actually, I might walk away anyway. I really don’t want to give up either one of them., although I probably would include Rosario in a pinch.
Herb G 2
That’s not what I said MFB. I said Nimmo had as good a year as Realmuto.
Nimmo: 4.4 WAR, 17 HR, .263/.404/.483 – .887 OPS
R’muto: 4.3 WAR 21 HR. .277/.340/.484 – .825 OPS
As a catcher, Realmuto has more intrinsic value. But Nimmo has 2 more years of team control and is still pre arb, while Realmuto is projected to cost $6.1 million this year. If you don’t think that evens things out, your scuba goggles are all fogged up.
MarlinsFanBase
Some comments throughout this thread that just defy common sense. Not surprising considering that it’s Mets fans talking about trade suggestions.
FYI…the Marlins have too many teams interested in Realmuto for them to not get something close to the high trade demands they have for him. The odds that an NL East team will meet those demands is very unlikely.
As for the Mets, based on what they have, and what I know the Marlins are looking for and demanding for Realmuto, I, as a Marlins fan, will say that the Mets would have to trade the following to beat out all of the other teams enough for the Marlins to trade Realmuto to them, within the NL East:
Nimmo
Rosario
Alonso
Their top pitching prospect or 2 or a young MLB pitcher and a pitching prospect
Another FYI…if any of you Mets fans think you’re dumping Lagares’ contract in a trade like this, you can bet the house that the Marlins would only agree to that if the Mets agree to take on all of Lagares’ contract or to take on all of Wei Yin Chen’s contract in return.
Erie4312
A lot of teams are fed up with Marlin tactics including: ATL, Nats, Astros and every other team that needs a catcher but has not been linked because they know the price is crazy (a lot of teams)
Being a Braves fan I could care less who goes where since they are both NL East teams but Mets will open up way more holes then they fill doing this
santheman3
Asking price is too high. The mets need to be smart. Some fans think rosario, conforto or nimmo havent proven themselves but they are our young and controllable core players.
I would LOVE JTR not just bc he is a stud, it’s bc he is in his prime.
But the mets cant give up the players they are asking for. My offer wouldnt be enough because the marlins are asking for too much (probably to make up for the bad deals they made when trading their star outfielders) but either take Mcneil, Gimenez and Peterson or walk away. Very fair trade. They get a young starter who is controllable, rising infield prospect, and a good pitching prospect.