Third base help is reportedly atop the Padres’ wish list, and the Yankees’ Miguel Andujar is among their targets, according to Jon Heyman of Fancred. The Padres “love” the 23-year-old, per Heyman, but it’s unclear whether they’ve made a legitimate attempt to acquire him. Although he turned in a near-AL Rookie of the Year season in 2018, in which he slashed .297/.328/.527 with 27 home runs in 606 plate appearances, Andujar struggled mightily as a defender. While Yankees general manager Brian Cashman has consistently praised Andujar and brushed off concerns about his defense, the player has nonetheless been a prominent part of the rumor mill this winter. If the Yankees do move Andujar, whom they could replace with free-agent superstar Manny Machado, it’s fair to surmise it’ll be for a player(s) capable of immediately upgrading the title contenders’ roster.
Here’s more from Heyman’s latest smorgasbord of notes:
- Free-agent closer Craig Kimbrel was reportedly seeking a $100MM-plus contract as of earlier this month, though it’s “believed” he has dropped his price, Heyman writes. According to Heyman, the 30-year-old Kimbrel has gone down to $86MM – the same value of the five-year deal the Yankees gave Aroldis Chapman in 2016. Chapman’s contract remains the richest ever for a reliever, and given Kimbrel’s production to date, it’s unsurprising he’s aiming to match or exceed it. Also unsurprising: Kimbrel’s price is still too rich for the Red Sox’s blood, Heyman hears, suggesting they may be willing to go to four years and $60MM to $70MM.
- The Reds made right-hander Lance Lynn an offer when he was on the market, Heyman relays. However, they didn’t come close to signing Lynn, who joined the Rangers on a three-year, $30MM guarantee on Dec. 18. The Reds addressed their rotation prior to then by acquiring Tanner Roark from the Nationals and did so again Friday, picking up Alex Wood from the Dodgers. The club has also pursued Yankees righty Sonny Gray this offseason, but New York’s seeking Double-A and Triple-A pitchers Cincinnati doesn’t want to trade, per Heyman. Meanwhile, in Cincy’s talks with Miami regarding star catcher J.T. Realmuto, Heyman writes that the Marlins’ focus has been on Nick Senzel, Taylor Trammell, Hunter Greene and Jonathan India – the Reds’ top four prospects at MLB.com.
- Mets righty Seth Lugo has changed representation and hired the Ballengee Group, Heyman reports. The 29-year-old Lugo, who won’t be eligible for arbitration until next winter, was a rare bright spot for the Mets’ bullpen in 2018. Across 101 1/3 innings (78 1/3 in relief), Lugo managed a 2.66 ERA with 9.15 K/9, 2.49 BB/9 and a 46.5 percent groundball rate.
Kimbrel isn’t worth a quarter of what he wants. Maybe he was 3 years ago. Not now. But some dumb GM will do it. They always do.
Before anyone coughs up 60 mil for Kimbrel, they’d better get answers to questions like where did his control go and why did his performance drop like a rock the second half of the season. Are there problems with his arm/elbow/shoulder? Is this a precursor to Tommy John surgery? I say have the Orioles offer him a deal then give him a physical. If Kimbrel has so much as a pimple, their people will find it.
I’ve read several times that the Sox are “waiting out” Kimbrel. I’m not so sure, given the numerous minor league reliever signings since 11/20 that include possible quality arms looking for a tryout (Weber and Gomez, for instance). I have also seen that the Sox might be in play for 4/60MM–I sure hope not. I felt all along that, when the Sox let slip at the WM that they might be listening on Porcello and JBJ to cut payroll, that was just their way of letting Kimbrel down gently, as if to say “see, we can’t even afford the players we have, sorry we’re not biting on your demands.”
He needs to be under Chapman & at the end of the day he goes back to Boston 4 years & 65/70 million no way he gets 86 maybe they window dress it w a team option & buyout on a 5th year but anymore than 4 years is stupid by any team.
I think you are close to what may likely happen on Kimbrel.
Not a quarter of 86M? That’s ridiculous. You realize that he struck out about 50% of batter in 2017 and for his career his numbers stand up to anyone other than Rivera. I wouldn’t give him $86M, or even $80M, but not because he hasn’t been as good as those two guys. Just because no reliever is worth that kind of money and the Sox are already looking at Xander, J.D. and Sale becoming free agents after next year and then Mookie and JBJ the next year. They can spend that money more wisely.
Craig Kimbrel, career:
211 ERA+, 0.92 WHIP, 4.8 H/9, 3.5 BB/9, 14.7 K/9
Mariano Rivera, career
205 ERA+, 1.00 WHIP, 7.0 H/9, 2.0 BB/9, 8.2 K/9.
I’ll just leave that there. If Jerome Holtzmann never existed we wouldn’t really think that River is miles ahead of Kimbre, or was even better.
Man, stats don’t nearly tell the story as to why Mariano is the greatest of all time…….anyone can come up with numbers that disprove his superiority.
He did it year after year in the fishbowl that is NY under the greatest of scrutiny by legions of press, and during one of the greatest runs by a NY sports team.
Kimbrel, while successful this past year wasn’t exactly lights out, and before that exactly when did he pitch under pressure of the playoffs and for what team other than Boston?????
When Marino entered the game;;;;; it was considered OVER!!!!!
Sorry….HE AIN”T NO MARIANO!
Apples and Oranges. Compare post season stats and you’ll see why Rivera is a first ballot Hall of Famer. Also pitched in an era where most hitters weren’t homerun or bust and spent his whole career in the AL east rather than the NL East and west.
You are going to get lots of downvotes from other Yankee fans. Mo is God.
Mariano Rivera is the greatest of all time.
The fact that Kimbrel has some comparable stats is refreshing.
That’s why I think Kimbrel is worth it.
No one knows the future but why not bet on a proven winner?
Who would you rather have?
Aside from Mariano being great which any baseball fan will acknowledge regardless of favorite team and up front I’ll tell you I am. Sox fan born and raised. However, what separates Mariano from all other relievers such as Trevor Hoffman, was the great teams and post season opportunities he had. Who is to say Hoffman/Kimbrel or any other great reliever don’t replicate the same as what their regular season stats suggest if given 96 post season games like Mariano has pitched in? Maybe or maybe not to but to suggest Kimbrel isn’t great is just a joke. Is he worth that kind of money? Hell no, but the Yanks set that precedent by overpaying Chapman and Kimbrel is def better than Chapman so why not ask for more. And yes, couldn’t agree more that Mo is the greatest ever.
Cool story bro. Come back when Kimbrell is 42, and let’s compare a full career.
That would be a nice problem to have if I had to choose between Mo and Kimbrel.
I would say I want want them both in their prime …. LOL!
LIGHTS OUT !!!!!!!!!!!
The one that’s still playing.
Mo did it for his entire career. I’m not discounting what Mo did in NY but Kimbrel has been mostly lights out in Boston which is just as tough, if not tougher fishbowl. If Kimbrel still has the better numbers after he finishes his career, which I doubt, then it will be tough to argue with with as the best ever. I highly doubt he will keep up the current pace through his career like Mo did we will see.
Since when did “worth” ever come into play about any ball player. JD Martinez was technically underpaid & worth every cent so let’s take worth out of the equation. What a team is willing to pay him to put them over the top to win a World Series. Cubs traded one of the top 5 prospects to the Yankees for 3 months of Chapman so yeah it was “worth” it. Kimbrel will get 60 to 80 4 to 5 years & he’s doing what he should be doing & that’s max out his $$. I think Boston gives him 4 years 60 million 5th year team option w/ a buyout to make 65 million.
What is kimbrel “worth” to a club? Let’s review:
1) He pitches only 3 outs.
2) Those 3 outs have to come in a clean inning.
3) That inning better provide him with a Save counting stat, or else performance will be off.
That isn’t even worth 3/39. He is hidebound. To be glib about it, Kimbrel is on the wrong side of (baseball) history.
You pinned this perfectly! Guy is a diva who needs his sandwich served at a perfect temp and the edges cut off. In a year where household names are fighting for 3 years, I bet he gets 3 with an option.
Unless some team is desperate like the Phillies, who may lose out on every guy they try to sign, he is going to be out there a while looking for 5 years.
To date, Kimbrel is the best reliever ever. No one has done better. Chapman, who is not near as good, is getting 5/86. Kimbrel rightfully wants and will get more. Some team will step up and make Kimbrel the best paid reliever in history.
Kimbrel is much older then Chapman was when he got his contract so more then likely you will be paying for declining Kimbrel at least in his later years of his contract. I think GM’s realize this and he won’t get the contract that breaks Chapman’s 5/86. Age when you get the contract does matter.
No one will give that much money and years to Kimbrell because of his age. Cut the years back…. then he gets signed.
pass on Kimbrel. He’s trending downward.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Kimbrel is still available in March. Not much of a market for a reliever demanding that kind of money.
There’s always a market for relief pitching and it’s always big $$$.
Somebody somewhere will give him a one-year deal. They always do.
Question for Reds fans: is Gennett more available now after the trade than he was before? There’s now a log jam in the OF and Senzel could play second right away. Just wondering because we haven’t heard anything about Scooter in awhile
He’s been available for a long time. No GM wants to give up more than a bag of balls for him (or really any 2B right now).
Brian Dozier had more sustained success (and a better fielder) and he was traded for not much to LAD, if I remember correctly. I don’t see how CIN can get much for Scooter.
I’ll solve that mystery for you. Dozier sucked last year and was about to be a FA. He was hitting .227./.307/.405 and earned $9 mil on a team going nowhere with 2 months of the season left.
Gennnett had a much better 2018 than Dozier .310/.357/.490 and his glove rated above average last year where as Dozier had a negative rating.If Gennett is traded right now the Reds should ABSOLUTELY get back a good package because his recent performance was all-star level (4.5 WAR) and you’re getting him for 1 full season. The return should be much, much better than what the Twins got for Dozier mid-season.
Too bad, the guy is legit. He took a step up and it showed. I had him on my fantasy team for awhile, so I watched almost every game. He’s the kind of guy the A’s or Rays rays pick up and he absolutely rakes. He already broke out with Cinci, but teams probably want to see him turn in another solid 1/2 season before they give up assets (probably at the deadline).
Not likely – FA in 2020. Even if you’re going all- in you’re not trading away a top-5 prospect for him. Does CIN part with him when trying to be relevant?
Yeah ik his name has come up. If I was a gm I would have big interest in him but we haven’t heard much of anything about rumors about him and after this trade I would have thought there would have been more news to this point
Scooter could definitely be available, but as a package deal.
Better yet.. what the heck are the Reds doing? They are rebuilding but the pieces they have got make me wonder what their GM is smoking
Roark and Alex wood were exactly what they needed in my opinion. And they’re still in the market for pitchers
They have interest in sonny gray but if I’m the Yankees I would look at moving gray for Gennett. Hell I would even throw in a couple of fringey prospects.
There doing what they should be doing. Setting them big balls on the table and saying let’s effing go for it! At this point it would be dumb to make trades.. Sign Keuchel, get a few decent relievers(if your going to make a trade that would be it) and I would sign Grandal instead of going for Realmuto where you have to give up all your top prospect for what.. 4 years? Wouldn’t be worth it and honestly.. you can dog me if you want but that team definitely competes not just in the central but the league!
If I’m the yanks I don’t think there is a single major league player on the Padres that I’d want in a trade for Andujar.
The Yankees roster is pretty well set it won’t be a one for one swap. With 5 yrs of team control it’s going to take more than just a one for one swap for a team to acquire Andujar. Unless it’s a young solid cost controlled front line starter from the other team, in my opinion.
For a DH? Andujar has no ability to play 3B. Within a year he will be a DH or 1B somewhere. They have very little value in trade. Too many defense deficient guys with good bats out there. Yankee fans are sure not smart when it comes to their own.
Yeah because a rookie cannot get better at defending something like that has never happened.
Not saying Andujar will turn into a gold glover but he has the tools to be average-slightly above average defender. He has a very strong arm. Reactions, technique, and positioning can be improved over time.
But lol @ Andujar having very little value
As a fan that watched nearly every game he played and quite a few in the minors before he got to the Bronx, Andujar has no ability to play in the field. You can’t learn range and his is the worst I have ever seen. No one has been worse at 3B in pinstripes before. He was equally bad at booting balls and throwing balls away and that has not changed since early in the minors. He is just bad. He is 23 years old and has had plenty of time to learn to play in the field. He can’t do it. If he could not hit exceedingly well, he would not be in the majors at all. If the highest paid player in baseball was not at DH, Andujar would be the Yankees DH in 2019.
I hate the Yanks but I’m with you. Why couldn’t Andujar Econ’s
A gold glove 3B. Even Wade Boggs, who was atrocious in the field to
begin his career, turned it around and became a GG
I think you’d have a very hard time finding a single case in the history of baseball of a 3rd baseman being as bad as he was in the field, and having an above average defensive gear
Obviously Defense doesn’t matter to you.
Guys like Hedges,Mejia,Lucchesi,Myers,Renfroe,Stammen,Margot and Yates could help the Yanks.
But I get it…..the Padres are about young up and coming prospects.
If the Yankees get Machado, they could always move Andujar to 2B.
His major issue is with double-clutching on throws.
He does it A LOT, leading to late or bad throws: it’s eminently fixable.
You can’t just move Andujar. I’m as big a defender as he;’s got, and think his defense CAN improve, but a move to a position he’s never played at any level is not something that can be done without some time in the minors.
Second base is a VERY different position than third.
I’ve played both and can confirm the significant difference in angles, but Andujar’s athleticism is not what concerns me: it’s his throwing mechanics.
The increased reaction time and shorter throws should diminish the risk his delays create.
Why would you think he can move to 2nd ? That just sounds crazy
His range is nowhere it needs to be for 2nd and because you played 2nd and 3rd in slow pitch softball or little league you shouldn’t compare anything you have done to the mlb level it just makes ppl not take anything you say serious
No it’s not. Whatever problem you think andujar has with throws is not his main problem. The guy has no range. That’s why his D metrics are so poor. That will not improve at 2B at all. A typical 3B simply gets to the balls andujar does not. That has nothing to do with his arm in the slightest.
People think that you can just move guys to wherever you want and they can play well. That’s why it makes sense to trade Ender and stick BMac in center and tradefor realmuto to close.
I played second and third on my MLB the show 18 and both seem comparable to me
Andujar has a major problem with footwork which leads to double clutching or errant throws. If his footwork is inadequate at third base there’s no we he would have the footwork to play second base.
I’m not saying it would be a good idea to move him to 2nd but less athletic guys have managed to play all 3 non-SS infield positions. He’s right in that Andujar DOES have quick reflexes and he MIGHT be better protected playing 2B because the ball comes to you quicker at 3b. Double clutching and late throws have been an issue.
I could see him working on the position in the off-season and ST and being ready to show if he can handle it or not.. However, I think the Yanks want Didi at SS long-term and would prefer to keep Torres at 2B since that will likely be his long term position.
I think the Yanks would be “settling” if they were to trade with the Padres as their pitchers are FOR but Lucchesi and Yates might be the only players of interest and that’s a far, far falloff from the guys rumored to be discussed in trade scenarios earlier (Syndegard, Bauer, Kluber).
Double clutching of throws is fixable? not for hanley Ramirez it wasn’t when he was playing SS all those years with the Marlins and he wasn’t exactly known as mr GG either playing a critical IF spot. Who says Andujar’s is fixable either?
Why not let time show that?
Andujar’s major issue is playing defense at all. He had 7 fielding errors, 7 throwing errors and one catching error. That does not include all the balls he didn’t get to because of his feet in concrete blocks range. He had the worst season on defense at 3B in Yankees history. Worst season on defense at 3B for a rookie that qualified for the batting title. It is not fixable. He does not have the tools. Andujar is not a 3B. He might make it as a 1B. Any other position other than DH is out of the question for him.
None of them are worth the players’ ROY
all ROY means is he was the second best first year player NOT THE SECOND BEST 3B, SECOND BEST HITTER, SECOND PLAYER JUST SECOND BEST FIRST YEAR PLAYER. And a great # of them is where they pecked at. The Yankees already have a catcher who lead MLB in passballs in only 76 games(played as a C) & a 3B who had the most errors of any 3B. Maybe JT should be what the NNY need to focus on & a Pitcher. Sign Moose(they need a LH & better D @ 3B & he’ll not ask for a lot of $$). Move Sanchez & Andujar & + to get both a Pitcher & JT. (The NNY will need a 3ed team as the fish don’t have a single Pitcher worth anything)
Youre crazy Andujar is a better hitter than anyone on the mets, and it’s not even close. I don’t trade Andujar or Sanchez as both should approach 70 homers 200 RBI combined. The defense is at best average yes but they hit so far above average that it’s fine. Fans of other teams just wish they could have them.
Unless you have a young Controllable Stud pitcher you ain’t getting either.
Fantasyland is the only place you would have a say!
We should take forever seriously. He knows a great organization and team following the losing Mets forever.
In the meantime he can point to a team that has two catchers; one of whom couldn’t catch and the other whom couldn’t hit. The defense was
So bad that the catcher rolled the
Ballmto second because his throws had so many bounces. And they did lead the league in fake DL stints.
Second base forever is really proud to have watched his team let the best player in franchise history and the only reason for their “run” in 2015 slip between their fingers. He went onto their arch nemesis where he won a few awards and now signed a two year contract when forever will tell you he is washed up.
And washed up is what forever will be watching the next 5 seasons as steroids leader Cano is in the downside of a career and sliding. Robby is good at loafing and will show why he can’t hit without someone solid behind him, which the Mets don’t have.
Oh and should we bring up The Cespedes shuffle—where a playlers feetises hurts so much after soaking the franchise with a stupid contract?
Go back to your team and comment. They need all the help that their owners and front office won’t give them.
Brandon Nimmo In 2018:
.404 OBP (4th in MLB)
4.4WAR (25th in MLB)..Double Andujar’s 2.2.
Nimmo is also a superior defender to Andujar, in addition to being a leadoff hitter.
It’s not about if defense matters. It’s if those players are of equal value to the All-Star hitting, 23 yr old third baseman. I’ve said it numerous times: he was the centerpiece that the Pirates wanted for Gerrit Cole– and now he’s had a year to prove he can hit in the majors, his value has only increased (his defense was always known to be suspect even in the minors).
If the Yanks can’t get an elite pitcher, i’d rather they keep him and stash him at DH if they sign Machado.
He was known for having questionable defense in the minors, but it seemed to be magnified in the majors. As a prior poster mentioned, his mechanics are rough. This isn’t as big of a deal for a fielder as it is a pitcher or catcher, but it still matters. I haven’t looked at his year end advanced stats, but when I checked mid-season his range was some of the worst. In today’s game of offense first…I can see some teams downplaying his defensive, but the smart teams like Tampa (and others who are constantly looking for an edge) recognize the importance of elite defense to save outs and as a result saving more wear and tear on the pitching staff. The yankees staff is full of injury question marks so….
Dude absolutely rakes and has a ton of control left, so I understand why the Yankees value him highly. For once he’s a Yankee prospect who held up to the hype in regard to his bat…but man he is rough in the field. He could develop, but I’m not sure his value will be higher than it is right now because the Yankees can still argue that the defensive stuff can be fixed with the right coaching. Getting another year of MLB experience will likely expose that to not be true.
It was only magnified because you saw it, and because it mattered. He was actually worse in the minors.
In reality, he’s not that much worse a third baseman than Cano was a second baseman in 2005. Go look at the analytics, they had similar defensive ratings (Cano actually rating overall worse).
Yanks are kind of a hot streak. Andujar, Judge, Severino, Sanchez, Torres and Montgomery.
Why didn’t Yanks fix him (Andujar) is he not coach able?
Worst range in baseball. Worst defense overall in baseball. Worst throwing errors. Worst fielding errors. Only 3B with a catching error. Andujar is a DH in the making. DH are not worth much in trade.
There is a very expensive guy playing DH in pinstripes. Andujar will not displace Stanton there.
There’s not one guy in that bunch you named that would interest me in any way as a return for Andujar and that would include all of them combined. The Padres don’t have anything to trade for Andujar.
Pads have a SS & C the NNY could use but they are kids and NY maybe too much–BUT look at Francisco Mejía(c), Austin Hedges(very good C) & Fernando Tatis Jr (SS but they will not give him up)
SD has the first or second best group of prospects in MLB….some may argue ATL has more high-end arm options. Unfortunately SD isn’t a great fit for the Yankees unless the Yankees are looking to maximize value and then trade those prospects to a 3rd team…either this same off-season or in the coming year. Guys like Paddack and Gore are still 1-2 years off and should be of interest to most savvy teams.
Ironically, the Mets are *still* the best team for the Yankees, but for all of the reasons given on here in the past still apply. Syndergaard has already proven he thrives in NY. His injury history is over-rated. If you look at his career numbers and how they project….they are on track for HOF career for today’s modern pitcher. deGrom isn’t a realistic option. Wheeler is the guy I’d target if I were another team, though only if they can work out a Santana like trade with extension….I’m not sure he’d do it..but that kind of creativity could pay off in spades. It’s a risk given he’s had some injuries, but he tweaking his approach and pre-pitch routine to make him more aggressive. He has shown flashes in years past, but this past year he beasted. He outperformed deGrom for the entire second half of the season…and it was a history season for deGrom for a pitcher in the modern era.
Yanks are not in the market for a Catcher. Sanchez was hurt and they are not trading him away. He’s lost allot of weight and working hard on his receiving skills. His arm is already a plus tool and his bat has the potential to be all star worthy. Last year was not a good one but according to sources he played hurt with a bum shoulder and had surgery. The Yanks don’t need Hedges or Mejia of they are starting Sanchez.
Pades don’t know how or choose not to teach players how to be good ML .Hedges is below average catcher and hitter as is the case for most Padres they never get proper coaching until they leave Padres team.
That’s just a dumb statement. Statistically he is one of if not the best defensive catchers in the league. Last year, he racked up 31.8 fielding runs above average (FRAA) in just 120 games. Nobody else was over 30, and only six other players were over 20. He can’t consistently hit yet but don’t make things up.
Hedges had 11 errors and issues throwing to 2B. Why fans keep pushing this he’s good defensively narrative is beyond belief
“Hedges is below average catcher…”
How do you figure boy?
I did not recognize a single name on your list so I had to look them up. It appears that they are a gaggle of substandard hitters and mediocre young pitchers. Why would a contending club be interested any of these guys and why would they trade Andujar for any (or all) of them, if that is what you are suggesting? Not saying he will, but with Andujar’s clean mechanics he has the potential to be the dominant RH hitter in the AL for the next decade. Somebody like Vlad or Manny. He is also only 23 years old but it seems that it has not occurred to some of the people here that he might possibly get a lot better defensively.
Like ROY, he has a chance to be an outstanding RH hitter in the AL but not the dominant one as long as Mike Trout is in the league.
Where would any of those names play for the Yanks this year and in the future if they were to trade Andujar? That’s the point. If Andujar is dealt to the Pads and no other team is involved you probably will see a MacKenzie Gore and another top prospect coming back. Thats why a 3rd team would have to be involved because there is honestly not much on the major league team they Yanks would ask for. Forget bullpen pieces since they can easily sign a better one on the free agent market plus their bullpen is still a threat. They need a front line starter! If not high end prospects to potentially deal for a front line starter.
Zero chance the Padres would send Gore and a prospect for Andujar. Gore is all but untouchable.
Yates and Stammen would work on anyone’s roster. Throw in a couple top 100 prospects like Baez or Morejon and it’s pretty interesting.
If I’m the yankees I don’t want anything to do with a deal like that. Those are solid pieces with real value but if I’m dealing Andujar I need more of an impact player in return.
Ace or no deal for me at least potential ace on big league roster
For a DH? That is all Andujar is. Not going to get an impact player in return.
Talk about an overpay
Nobody on the Padres touches Andujar sorry not gore not tatis.
But your mama says you touch Andujar all the time. She said the knee pads she got you really help with your rug burn.
Seriously, Andujar is a DH. He won’t be at 3B all seasons and any real Yankee fan knows that. The reason Cash is trying to dump Andujar is Stanton is the DH now and it’s really hard to move the most expensive player in baseball. So Andujar has to go.
Yates, Stammen, Baez/Morejon for a crappy fielding 3B that can hit? lol not. I could see one of Yates and Stammen going and maybe a lower prospect like Arias, but no way they give up all of that unless Gray is coming too and I still think Baez/Morejon is too much.
A few people have thrown out trades centering around Padres relievers, and while the yanks do have bullpen slots to fill, there a still a few proven (albeit more expensive) guys that are unsigned, as well as internal options. Relievers are very often failed starters (Chad Green, Betances for some NY examples) so I could see at least one of German, Loaisiga, or Adams ending up as a solid bullpen piece.
German definitely, as well as Adams. Loaisiga has the goods to be a starter.
I agree, Loaisiga I think has the most promise as a starter, and I think German’s stuff would play great out of the pen. Many guys see a jump in velocity as relievers, so German could sit around 96 with a solid change and a developing curve.
True but you could try to work a 3 team trade with Andujar going to the Padres and players from the Padres to the Indians and Kluber to the Yankees.
That….would suck for all of the other teams…but a scary good idea for the Yankees. If I were a rival’s GM, I’d definitely be careful dealing with Cashman, who has proven he is a top notch GM and whether it is him and/or his staff…they scout the hell out of guys and have hit on most of their trades for the past few years.
You’re right about their MLB team, but you haven’t been paying attention to their farm system. It’s rated the best in baseball with a boatload of elite talent. If the Yankees want high minors, major league ready talent, San Diego would be a great trade partner. Makes sense if the trade goes with a mega contract for Manny. With Stanton’s contract on the books and Judge about to rake in arb money, they’re going to want a lot of cost controlled talent.
Pickup Franmil Reyes as your DH
The Padres might not have anyone on there major league club that is worth much to the Yanks. That is unless the Yanks value Hedges pitch framing amd defense so much that they wouldnt mind moving Sanchez to DH. Regardless if the Yanks like any of there major league talent, the Padres by far have the deepest and most talented farm system in Baseball. There are 3 maybe even 4 prospects in the Padres farm system that would be the top prospect in just about anyother club. Simple fact is, they have the ammo to make it happen. Having said that, if the Padres do make a trade for a 3rd basemen id much rather it be for Eugeno Suarez or pretty much any 3rd basemen that isnt such a defensive liability.
I can’t see the Yankees moving Andujar anytime before the July 2019 deadline. Then it would be interesting to see what they want and get in a trade scenario. He won’t come cheap to an acquiring team, that’s for sure.
And then he struggles this year and his value goes to nothing at the trade deadline
If the Yankees are in a pennant race (as they are expected to be) they will not trade him in July.
When Didi returns, Andujar has to be gone.
He really doesn’t have to be though
Unless that sophomore slump sets in.
Yates, Stammen and Baez for Andujar? Couple of ace relievers and top 50 prospect.
The Yankees aren’t going to want 3 relief pitchers for Andujar. Two of them in their 30’s and one in High A. That ain’t gonna happen.
Lmao, yeah sure, and the yankees will trade Sony gray for Corey Kluber. Get real!
Lol cmon with that offer. Yanks are not looking for bullpen help for Andujar.
Unless the trade contains gore and Baez then I think the Yankees would rather use him as a chip going towards an ace or someone of elite stature maybe a Nolan arendo in July sense arendo is about to be a free agent and move machado to SS
I like Gore/Baez/Stammen for Andujar. I wouldn’t be mad at that.
jrussell we had h bates he couldn’t even stay on the yanks roster. You’d never get Andujar for that. Why would you even want him if his defense is so bad..? We don’t buy the lies
As a padres fan, we are starved/obsessed with getting an impact bat. It’s been a while since we had someone swinging a feather.
Yates is not an ace anything, despite last yr’s stats
If we’re disregarding last years stats then Andujar didn’t do much either.
Padres are not going to give up 2 quality relievers and a top 50 prospect for Andujar. Andujar will be a DH in the future and the Padres really have no need for a DH unless you know something about changes in the rules of the game that no one else does. It was Heyman talking out of his behind again. Makes no sense for the Padres to want Andujar at all.
We have our DH already…the Franimal
Thought the Padres have the best farm system right now
Let’s start out with Andujar and Gray for Tatis jr. and work around that?
If that doesn’t work then what about Mackenzie Gore?
It’s gonna take allot to obtain a runner up rookie of year coming off that offensive season. He is a major leaguer now. No longer a prospect. Yes he has to improve defensively but the kids work ethic and attitude will allow that to happen. Honestly I don’t agree with the Yanks trading him but if they do they have to get a stud prospect or build him in a deal around a front line starter. They are dealing him to make room for Machado which I also do not necessarily agree with. So What say you pad fans?
There’s no way I trade Andujar for any prospect other the Vlad jr., which if i’m Toronto i say no. I’ve seen plenty of prospects put up great #’s in minors only to flame out in the majors.
Toronto would only trade Vlad Jr for Trout. They’d laugh hard at the Yankees if they offered Andújar
Considering trout has only 2 years of control left id even consider not trading vlad jr for him at this point
2 years for the best player in the world for a prospect that hasn’t proved anything? The only legit reason to NOT do that is because it would be a waste for the Padres and Trout would almost without a doubt, move on once his 2 years were up.
Neither of those players have anything to do with the Padres. Try to keep up.
Most certainly, nothing will be built around Tatis Jr. Clearly value needs to head toward NY in a deal for Andujar, but defense DOES matter, and Andujar’s power numbers likely won’t look the same hitting in NL West ballparks as opposed to AL East ballparks (yes I realize AZ and COL are hitter friendly – the other 3 are not). So…while I think the 2 teams line up well, I am not sure that it makes sense for them to value Andujar in exactly the same way. Personally I could work something around 2 top 10 organizational pitchers – both top 100 overall prospects and Wil Myers with money going to NY. Or swap one of those prospects for one of our best relievers. That said, I would not include McKenzie Gore in that deal.
wow, a 3B who lead the league in error for a 3B & a Pitcher who the GM said we have to move for the PADs BEST. So good stuff going around in the Bronx. Please Billysbballz- Just move Sanchez for JT, & Andujar = to clevland for P
That post was confusing but it was a met fan so no big surprise there.
Not gonna happen. Tatis Jr. is as untouchable as they get….VLad Jr. is up there too (mostly bc TOR is dying for a star player going forward). Gray is…hmm…a gamble at best. He was better away from NYS, but he is another year old and he is what he is…teams moving arguably the top prospect in the league need to be able to sell their fans on it. Andujar is a great piece, but not the ceiling of a guy like Tatis Jr.
While Tatis Jr. is untouchable so is Vlad Jr. and it’s not because because Toronto is dying for a star it’s because Vlad is one of the the best Offensive prospects in a long time. The two biggest offensive prospects in baseball right now are Vlad jr. And Eloy for the White Sox. Tatis Jr. has potential but his offensive numbers in a very easy league to generate numbers aren’t even close to Vlad and Eloy. Tatis is untouchable but he won’t be the hitter that Vlad and Eloy are going to be. He s does play the more valuable position so he does have that going for him.
If the Padres trade Tatis for Andujar, they will need their heads examined.
Right because one is in the majors already producing big time numbers at 23yo and the other is a prospect who you hope will do the same but talk already staring he may have to move to 3rd……….
Less gamble than you let on. Ones only 20 and we already know he can catch and throw.
Right because one hasn’t proven himself yet and one has proven he can’t catch and throw. I’ll gamble on the unproven kid.
Pads would laugh at that
Billy, your trade proposals are terrible. Take up another hobby.
Doesnt make sense to me. Who knows if Andujar can reproduce a top 30 WRC+ hitting behind the likes of Wil Myers and Eric Hosmer as opposed to Stanton and Judge. Could have kept Villanueva if they wanted a decent bat with no glove at 3rd.
Andujar batted 6th, 7th and 8th most of the time last year not in the Top 4 behind either Stanton or Judge.
So, he saw a lot of good pitches to hit with pitchers not wanting to get the bases busy …in front of the Bombers when the line-up rolled over?
😉
It was a metaphor highlighting the differences between the two lineups. Not meant to be taken literally. Does hitting between Torres and Sanchez work better for you? You sound like my wife.
First off Andujar is not a decent bat. Andujar is a special bat and he’s 23yo. Comparing him to Villanueva is not having a clue.
Yes those double turn to homers as he mature they will regret trading him he can be Manny or better with the bat if not the glove but people forget beltre struggle for probably 5 yes defensively
Villanueva had a higher WRC+ minus DRS than Andujar. Meaning he created more runs for his team than Andujar. If Cashman thought he was special I don’t believe they would entertain trading him. I would assume the Yankees will be asking for a top prospect kind of like when they got Torres for Chapman. -25 DRS is historically bad.
Wait are you seriously trying to compare Villanueva to Andujar still? Listed Padre fan if you truly think that little if Andujar then why bothering post about him? Your comment will not lower the price tag of high end prospects or a stud pitcher coming back for Miggy and I hope the Yanks are smart enough to not deal him.
If you talk to the right “source” every team is in on everyone. The rumors get monotonous somedays…would like to see deals coming along faster just for entertainment value lol
Too bad … “Heyman’s Latest” …didn’t tip you to the caliber of content ….
Yeah yeah i know….I’m a positive person though always holding to the glimmer of hope!
I know what you mean. I always read with hope …except when he’s “the source”. Seems to run a very low accuracy rate …I don’t understand why he is so “trusted”.
Must be the insights he does provide when he gets it right, I guess
If the Padres want Andujar, I think they’ll need to pull in a third team. The Yanks are contenders, they don’t want parts for the future, they want valuable major league pieces that will put them over the top.
Can someone please let me know when Mr. Zaidi from the Giants plans on doing something? I’ve checked in on this site periodically for the last few days and nothing about the Giants. Has Bumgarner been traded yet? Will Smith?
Thanks
If the plan is to trade Andujar and replace him with Machado, I don’t see why the Yanks have to get help for this season’s roster in the exchange- Machado for Andujar upgrades the major league roster, and a couple of high prospects (obviously not Tatis) acquired from Padres give Yanks flexibility to make a big move at the deadline to fill whatever hole may develop during the season.
If I’m the Padres, not sure I’d be that interested. Isn’t there concern about Tatis staying at SS? Is your long term left side of the infield a SS who may have to move to 3b and a 3b who may have to move to 1b (which is occupied by Padres biggest contract) or DH (which they don’t have)? Not saying they wouldn’t take him, but not sure it would be worth the likely cost in prospects.
Otoh if for some reasons the Yanks are enamored with some of the major league pieces who arent in Padres long term plans… but I don’t see who that would be. You’d think Yanks would want a high upside pitcher with at least a couple of years of control.
Because there are other things they still need: bullpen help, infield help, and idealy, an elite starter. Andujar is their BEST chip to use to get better now.
If they can’t get what they need for him now, they’ll keep him at third and play Machado at SS until mid-season, then move Andujar to DH.
If Machado is signed he will be playing SS until DiDi is back. Even after he is cleared to play there is no guarantee he will be able to handle SS everyday. It will be. 3way cycle between DiDi, Manny & Andujar. If DiDi proves the ability to come back fully before the deadline Andujar will be on the block for a difference making SP WITH CONTROL on his contract.
Cashman is not creating a hole just to acquire prospects. Man all those losing years got Padre fans dillusional
The only way Andujar is moved is if they can get an elite starter in return. But I also think it’s equally possible they move Andujar to DH and put Machado at 3rd, if he gets signed. The hole at short could easily be filled by any of the SS’s still on the market– Jose Iglesias, Adeiny Hechavarria, anyone not named Troy Tulowitzki, basically.
Because…Yankees fans.
Yankees should trade Sonny Gray to Reds with a minor leaguer for Scooter Gennett and open up 2B for Nick Senzel.
Just because the Padres want him & they have the so called best farm in baseball which I disagree with but that’s another story, but why would the Yankees move him for prospects or bullpen pieces when they can move him for an impact player at a position that is needed. Only way Padres get they hands on Andujar is if it is in a 3 team trade and the Yankees get a dominant SP.
I’m sure your talent evaluation skills exceed those of every major service out there and since your tag has Braves in it your not biased at all. Good call
Oh no you are totally right I am biased I admit that
I just have had enough of Padre fans with the whole we have the best farm system we’ll do something with it get done of the young guys up then thought Urias was coming but then the genius GM signs Kinsler doesn’t make sense
Urias will play short till Tatis is up. Kinsler will play 2nd till then and take a utility roll after. Simple enough.
I’ve read that the Dodgers are looking for a right hand bat . PLEASE Cash call . I didn’t like Stanton when we got him and I’d love to get rid of him now .
Joc Pederson plus a pitching prospect…. for Stanton and $50 Million……..plus the Dodgers get the $30 Million from the Marlins
Pederson is a LHB with tons of power, young and pretty good defensively (former CF). He plays perfectly in Yankee Stadium.
You can keep Pederson. We need to sign Harper if we deal Stanton to replace those numbers. Rather have a few decent prospects for Stanton we can use in a deal later. BTW is Julio Urias still a rotation option or has the shoulder pushed him into the pen long term?.
You are maddening if you want to move Stanton. In an “off year” he almost hit 40 hrs with a decent OBP. I know the k’s are annoying but it’s his first year in NYS. I think he’ll acclimate himself. No need to move him for nothing.
Can we all stop with the Padres have the best farm system in baseball until they start bringing up guys and they start producing on the mlb level.
Yes they have a great collection of talent but until they start promoting difference makers that’s all it is a collection of talent.
Acuna, Albies, Swanson, Newcomb, Touki, Soroka, Fried, Camargo all have proven that Atlsnta develops that collection of talent.
Judge, Andujar, Sanchez, Torres, Severino, Bettances all have proven that the Yankees develop the collection of talent coming up.
Hedges, Renfroe, Margot, Cordero have all been nothing special to borderline disappointments
…and when the guys you listed were in the minor leagues, the Braves and Yankees had top rated farm systems. That’s why they are called “prospects” and “minor leagues.” You are completely right that those two teams have drafted and developed extremely impactful players (at this point I would not be bragging about Swanson), but I would be willing to bet that you valued those Braves prospects pretty highly when all of the experts rated your minor league system at or near the top. Just because these 19 year olds haven’t come up and gotten it done yet means the Padres’ garm system is overrated? Give me a break! Padres minor league system was not nearly as respected or deep with Hedges, Margot, etc., down there. Different story. To my knowledge the measurement of what makes a farm system ranked highly is not the alumni, it’s the prospective current talent. If we want to have a whole other conversation about failure of players at the MLB level, that’s fair. By the way, I’ve seen a lot of Braves fans posting on here about wanting Hunter Renfroe, and Austin Hedges is one of the best defensive catchers in baseball.
What’s wrong with Swanson ? His glove is phenomenal and he hits in the clutch. What more do you need in an 8th place hitter.
Brave fans want a RF that has the ability to be aquired for what that perticular fan wants to see given up. Would I take Renfroe for say Teheran yes of course it frees up salary and gives the Braves a RF. But there are a bunch of guys around the league I wouldn’t mind if they got them. I actually wanted Domingo Santana for Teheran.
My point is that in the prospects you guys have had come up none have reached the level they were projected to by now. So for me a team like the Braves or a team like the Yankees that have similar farm rankings should get the extra boost by having proven their prospects develop more than not.
I just don’t understand all the hype that comes with the Padres farm I just dont see it
You don’t rate farm systems based on their recent graduates. Instead, you’re literally prospecting these players based on what they could turn into in the future.
The Padres’ ability to develop prospects into upper-echelon MLB players is a different story.
That’s because you’re myopic, provincial and care about only your team, not others.
San Diego’s system is No. 1 not only because of top end talent, but depth. Fangraphs had them with 46 players at FV40+. That’s phenomenal. The Dodgers had 21. Braves 26.
And the system has begun to integrate the big league roster … Lucchesi, Lauer, Castillo, Wingenter last year. Urias, Tatis, Paddack possibly Logan Allen and Quantrill this year. Basically they’re a year behind Atlanta in the rebuild.
Until the pads actually call these guys up and they produce that’s all they will be, good prospects. Either play them or trade them
Thank you
You are looking at a previous group and app laying it to what is there now. That’s flawed. Again, I see your point and envy the success that has happened at the MLB level. Swanson was the #1 overall pick I believe? 8 hitter. That trade with AZ doesn’t look as bad as it used to…put it that way.
Sir yes sir. How old was Judge when he made his big league debut? These guys being named are 19-20 years old. Play them or trade them?
Usually you want your #1 overall pick to be better than a glove first guy that hit’s “in the clutch”.
But not one of those Padres prospects like Margot or Espinoza has panned out. Prospects are fine but until they pan out like Andujar they are nothing
Less than half of padres high end prospects will be above average players.
Yankees didnt have much success between the Jeter, Posada, Pettitte, Williams, Rivera group and this current group, mostly because they didnt make any spots available to anyone they developed. So by your logic you would have expected less from their current group since they had no real track record of developing guys and would have undervalued this group.
Robison Cano, Melky Cabrera, Dellin Bets, David Robertson, Mark Melancon, Brett Gardner, Austin Jackson, Phil Hughes, Ian Kennedy, Francisco Cervelli….I wouldn’t say it’s been a drought in those in between years.
You mentioned Melancon, Cervelli, Kennedy, Hughes as proof. Not much for about a 20 year run and most of it didnt do much in NY.
46 players with +fv, a little less than 1/2 turn out to be above average. Sounds good
steelerbravenation doesn’t know about “projection”
“Either play them or trade them”
csspackler literally just listed a bunch of guys who are either already in the Majors or who will be coming up in 2019 barring injury.
The Miller trade still looks just as bad. Not because of Swanson, but because Miller was just non-tendered after being a net negative in AZ. Plus Inciarte was able to build upon his 2015 performance rather than taking a step back like many thought he would.
I’m not sure how the guys you listed have been “nothing special to borderline disappointment” and Swanson hasn’t been.
Newcomb and Fried still can’t throw strikes.
Touki has pitched a whopping 29 innings in the majors and had 21 walks.
Soroka has pitched 25 MLB innings. They were good, but let’s wait til we see an actual sample.
The only current “difference makers” you listed for your team are Acuna, Albies, and maybe Camargo.
Ok do Acuna, Albies & Camargo won the division
All those guys came up and played a part in winning the division so no they all played a role
No matter who or when the Padres guys come up they still finish losing 90 games and all we hear bout is the future
Sign Hosmer to a rediculous contract
How is Wil Myers working out ?
I give it to them the Padres can build a bullpen that’s bout it
Thought this was a conversation about the Padres farm system being overrated in your eyes based on past results at big league level. Nobody in SD is happy with Hosmer or Myers contracts.
Funny how Padres a few years back had an awful farm and in 2 years they have the best. I agree its over rated a bit. Tatis jr looks like an exciting prospect and MacKenzie Gore might have something but he’s in lower levels. After that Im just not impressed but Im no scout so I can be wrong.
This is the dumbest discussion. Prospects are minor leaguers. The #1 farm system has nothing to do w graduated prospects. Renfroe Hedges etc were also drafted by prior regime.
Ah yes the Pads don’t have the stalwarts that are in The Yankees system. If only they had more Trevor Stephan’s and Stephen Tarpley’s to impress you with.
How have Hedges and Renfroe been “disappointments?” Hedges was always seen as a defense first catcher coming up and has been exactly that thus far in the Majors but he actually hit pretty well in the second half of 2018. Meanwhile, Renfroe has always been a bit of a strikeout machine but has always made adjustments in his professional career and 2018 was no exception. Finished the season with an OPS over .800 despite slumping in the first half as Andy Green weirdly refused to let him play against RHP’s, even going as far as to start Cory Spangenberg in the outfield over him against RHP’s.
Lol actually that’s what a farm system is all about. Talent that hasn’t proven itself yet.
Padre fans already have prospects in HOF. Myopic
If Kimbrel drops his asking price to 4/60 the Braves better be the one signing him.
The mileage on his arm still scares me, but 4/$60m would definitely be tempting and it’d bring in a lot more teams. I wonder if he’d do 4/$60m with a vesting option for appearances…? Or maybe front-load the contract for a team that has payroll flexibility….this may scare off LAD/NYY/BOS…but it could get more teams in and maybe some of the front-runners come back in and bite the bullet on the original options…
At 4/60 he certainly goes to Boston.
Most likely he gets 4/68 with a 5th year mutual option and with 2 and 3 year mutual opt outs.
He also has a QO so most other teams will think twice about paying that draft pick price.
Gray, Andujar, Ellsbury and Bird for Myers and insert pitchers of some sort of caliber here. Then sign Harper and Machado.
The worst thing the Yanks should do is use Andujar to move Ellsbury’s salary which I think is covered so long as he’s on the DL.
In pitchers you must mean Mackenzie Gore and then add another top 10 pitching prospect of the Yankees choice plus there best bullpen arm for that awful idea.
Unfortunately Myers couldn’t hang in NYC. Dude doesn’t have the mental for that environment.
I think Stanton is going to the Dodgers and that frees up the Yankees to go for Bryce Harper. I think the Dodgers go for it if the Yankees agree to either take back some overpriced players or send over some money to pay down some more of Stanton’s contract.
Yankees can use another SP maybe Maeda or Ryu or maybe just agree to pay off Bailey’s contract. Plus maybe a Hernandez or a prospect coming with it.
Stanton is not a fit for the Yankees. Harper’s swing fits Yankee Stadium beautifully.
Stanton has tremendous power to RF. He hit one over the RF wall at AT&T Park (into the Bay)….then in the next AB, he hit the letters about 3 feet below the Top of The Wall. His issue is probably connected to the pressure to preform in New York.
I heard that Bailey has already been released. The return would be dependent on the amount of salary that the Dodgers assume…..as usual. I think he’d look great in Dodger Blue and is a solid RF. Unfortunately…..I am not employed by the Dodgers…..LOL.
He almost hit 40 hrs in what was considered a “bad” year, how is he not a fit Also, Bailey has already been cut.
The Stanton hate is puzzling.
Only way I would trade andujar (and additional players) is for Thor kluber or somebody on that level I would rather trade Stanton pick up machado for third and stick andujar at DH
Sorry nyy fans you are stuck with Stanton’s Contract,if la wanted him they would have figured out a way to get him already because that is where Stanton really wanted to go.Andujar will be traded (Unless they make him a DH,doubtful)after Machado signs with nyy because if it’s before Manny has the bargaining position and Andujar will not be playing 2b because of arm mechanics,range and Metrics
he’s going to sign with philly
LA did want him but had no way getting under the cap if they dealt for him. Do some research.
I’m fine with Stanton. Guy had a down year but he’s still one of the top hitters in the game. And he’s only paid 22 per year for luxury tax.
But I love all you haters who act like his contract is bad. Just shows us the people who are clueless when it comes to baseball.
So many players around mlb like heyward that are getting 22 or so million a year are worth bashing, not Stanton. I’d take Stanton over guys like him and Albert pujlos easily for that money
That’s incredibly short sighted. Plenty of long term deals don’t go south year 1 when the player is still in his prime. Of course you’d rather have the 29 year old Stanton over a 37 year old pujols. Talk to me when Stanton is 33+ and we’ll see if that’s still the case.
Doesn’t he still have a full no trade clause….? I doubt Stanton would want to leave NYC.
I’d hardly say the Yankees are “stuck” with Stanton’s contract. Last year was a subpar year for him. This year will be better.
“This year will be better” You’re basing this off of what exactly? Stanton could indeed be on a downward slide.
And I can ask the same to you? Basing this off of what exactly? He is 1 year removed from being the NL MVP. He’s still young and played most of the season without a major injury. He has a history with sandwiching MVP caliber years between all-star caliber years. Who knows how he’ll do in 2019 but I think being 1 year acclimated into moving from the Marlins and their fanbase/expectations to the NY situation could help him be more focused than this past year. Would also help if the Yanks were to add one of Harper and Manny because the focus would be on one of them. And that’s not to say Stanton is effected by NY at all but the “newness” is something he isn’t used to having spent his entire career in Miami prior to coming to NY.
Stanton did nothing against Red Sox in postseason
Stuck with Stanton, oh no…
Sorry but the yankees will be stupid to sign machado, I read around that a lot of yankee fans do not want him. They already have a young core in place, They can just move Torres back to short stop, keep andujar at third. Then they can sign Neil Walker or somebody. The phillies prefer Machado over harper, they will outbid anyone to get their guy.
Andujar gets traded for a TOR arm with at least a couple years of control. I think closer to the deadline. Gotta see what teams fall out of contention by then.
the yankees will be dumb to trade him, he finished second in the al rookie of the year voting, He’s gonna be a star imo, no need to trade him to add machado.
Andujar will b moved to 1B if they sign Machado once DiDi is back. Bird is bad. And I doubt Voit can keep up hitting like he was. If they do that tho they need to sign or trade for a lefty bat to take up some DH/OF/1B innings.
There is no reason to think Voit is going to maintain the pace he had in 2018 and hit 60 homeruns. But also, there’s ZERO reason to think he wouldn’t be able to hit 25-30 homers and a slash of .260/.350/.500. The skepticism directed at Voit is because he played 4 years of college ball, was drafted once but stayed in school, drafted and signed the 2nd time at age 22 (same draft as Judge and is 1 year older), he’ll be 28 in Feb, wasn’t a top 100 prospect and was basically unknown. But if you look at his minor league numbers everything Cashman and his analytics team liked is evident in his AA/AAA numbers. This is NOT a guy drafted at 20-21 that took years to figure out and fattened up on younger competition. I mean,in fact they WERE younger, but he wasn’t any more experienced in professional baseball than they were. I think he’s going to have an exciting 2019 if he’s left alone for 150 games.
#VoitistheJoint
Andujar’s actual and perceived values are drastically different. Which makes me doubt he’s traded.
The Padres are in on everyone and come away empty. Preller doesn’t have a clue as to how to build a team. He changes directions faster than the wind.
He wants a third baseman, so obviously he’s going to trade for someone who can’t play 3rd.
Todd Frazier+….c’mon SD…he is a great defender! Good veteran for your young club. The Mets may even pay down $2m-$3m for a better prospect return. He will easily produce enough (mostly defensive) to cover his full contract.
I am actually fine with the Padres acquiring Frazier but I don’t think we should give up any top prospects. Maybe someone like Pedro Avila.
You mean the next EDLS for a rental that will bring us from 75 wins to 76?
The Padres being in on everyone is mostly everyone else’s fault. Because they were so active in the 1st couple years of Preller, now teams use them to drum up other activity. They talked about it in winter meeting coverage.
Preller can’t make good trade so gun shy
Another day another article mentioning andujar’s defense. People act like it’s the worst in mlb history and it’s mainly because of defensive metrics that aren’t even proven to be accurate
Not saying he doesn’t need work at third but my god if other players can improve on flaws why can’t he ?
Plus in all honesty it wasn’t half as bad as these comments make it out to be. Nettles was awful when he came up and learned how to play third and became one of the best defensive 3rd basemen in the history of the game. Can he become an average defender with a plus plus arm? Absolutely with his work ethic and character. He’s working right now on it.
Awesome mention of my favorite player as a kid.
She’s working with beltre this off season
*he’s
Where did you hear that? I’ve always thought Miggy was a clone of Beltre without the gold glove. His bat matches well with a Beltre or Cano comp. Hopefully he can become at least a league average glove.
I have heard that as well.
Derek Jeter and his weak azz ownership group knows they blew the Stanton Yelich deals so now they’re trying to milk this JTR thing. Pathetic.
JT is the only real trade chip they have left so as such them milking it is expected
Funny because Miami fans feel the Stanton deal was awful but then fans from other teams think Stanton is washed up and the Yanks have an awful albatross contract. Yankee bias on here is really strong during the holiday season. I still feel Stanton to the Dodgers makes too much sense. This way the Yanks can keep Andujar and let him play some 3rd, 1st, DH. Stanton is that RH bat the Dodgers need. He can play RF and his cap hit at 22 mill is soo much better then Harpers and Machado’s will ultimately be. Harper just makes more sense as a Yankee as they have no LH bats other then Hicks plus he’s more versatile and can actually most likely handle LF with ease while its obvious the Yanks were not thrilled with Stanton long term in Left.
No way on Votto. Yankees should just hold on to Andujar
So if they felt they were hosed on the prior trades (which I don’t think they truly agree with that assessment) then they should settle for offers they don’t agree with? JT has 2 years left. Where’s the rush? He can probably get a similar valued package at the deadline if teams are desperate.
Andujar and Sonny to Cincy for Votto?
If the Yankees are taking most of votto’s salary that’s a horrible trade
Lol. While I love Votto you can’t trade that contract at 35 yo and expect a stud 23yo major leaguer back. Not happening.
Votto has a full NTC and he is already on record saying he doesn’t want to leave CIN.
Pass on andujar. 1st base is where hes most likely gonna wind up. Padres dont have room for him.
Padres should attach prospects to hosmer deal to clear it and use the money elsewhere. Put myers back at 1st. Sign kikuchi and look to fill gaps in 2020 after letting some of the young options play.
I wish. However Myers and Hosmer will definitely be better next year imo. Hosmer will have a full year of his off-season regimen. Myers will be full time LF after we sign a 3B and trade Renfroe or Reyes. I do think we should throw money at the Kikiuchi rather than suffer QO penalty on an aging pitcher like Kuechel.
I’ve said this before- Seth Lugo should be the Mets 5th starter. I’d rather have 5 good innings from Lugo then Vargas’ very bad and sometimes decent starts. Vargas belongs in the pen for spot starts and long relief (garbage time). There are bullpen options in free agency to sign. A rotation of : 1-deGrom
2-Syndergaard 3-Wheeler 4-Matz 5-Lugo is just stronger then having Vargas your #5 starter. I feel they’re giving a game away every time Vargas starts.
It’s the partially torn ligament in his arm, afraid to put that much mileage on it
Why would the Yankees want votto
I don’t get why the Yankees and Yankees fans want to get rid of andujar he hit .297 last year in my book that is essentially .300 there were only 16 players in the major leagues who hit .300 last year and in a era where no one hits for a high average anymore, I know is defense is bad but remember Marcus simean was the worst defender in baseball yea he was up for a gold glove in the AL this year it just takes time. Machado is great but do you really want to pay him 300mil for SIMILAR production, yes I know Macao’s is a better player than andujar but with the bat they had similar production and with the money that wasn’t used for machado could be used in other areas to help the team.
The Yankees and Yankee fans don’t want him gone, everyone else is just assuming that’s the case. It’s ridiculous to be honest
Not one Yankee fan I know wants to trade Andujar and most Yankee fans I know do not want Machado. The consensus to me seems no Machado and keep Stanton. It seems to me more Yankee fans want Harper then Machado also. My opinion is to deal Stanton to the Dodgers and sign both Machado and Harper and keep Andujar as well for occasional 3rd, 1st, and DH. His bat is legit and with his work ethic I strongly feel his defense will improve each year plus he has a plus plus arm to work with, I would not want to watch him turn into a superstar someplace else.
“Near rookie of the year”… give it a rest. Andujar ended up a distant second and yet you guys keep making this claim. Did you do the same with last years second place finisher? How about when Lindor just lost out to Correa by a couple votes? Hey, Soto had the same amount of votes as Andujar…. do you call him “Near rookie of the year”?
It’s a “Yankee” thing.
Silly comment besides the fact that Andujar honestly should have won if not for a generational talent who can hit and pitch and was hurt half the season he would have won so do not downplay what the kid did. He broke a few records as well with the bat. He’s working extremely hard with Beltre as we speak on his defense so please give us a break.
So, you’re saying Andujar would have beaten previous winners?
Aaron Judge from 2017?
Michael Fulmer? Who beat out Gary Sanchez in 2016.
Carlos Correa in 2015 who had similar numbers to Andujar but played excellent defense at shortstop?
Jose Abreu who had much better offensive numbers and played a decent 1B in 2014?
In 2013… he would have beaten out Wil Myers.
Mike Trout in 2012? Andujar’s OBP was barely higher than Trouts batting average. Heck, the runner up that year, Cespedes, had a better year than Andujar did.
Come on now… Andujar had a nice season…. but seriously…
No to Judge, Definitely yes to Fulmer, yes to Correa (Andujar better numbers), Abreu won at 27yo and struck out a ton but overall more power and run producer so I’ll give you that one, Andujar again in 2013, No to Trout in 2012, but why did you stop there and also where is the NL. You selected a small sample size and you weren’t exactly correct on them all? We all get you don’t think highly of Andujar or maybe your doing your best GMing so to convince everyone who reads your propaganda that Andujar isn’t worth much more then 2 elderly Padres bullpen arms and a few fringe prospects???
You think Andujar was better than Correa’s rookie year? They had almost the exact same OPS and the same WAR and Correa only played in 99 games at very good defense at short.
Fulmer, I wasn’t sure on… hard to compare pitchers to position players. Fulmer had a higher WAR.
Why did I stop in 2012? Because you said Andujar only lost because he was up against a generational talent… How long do you consider a generation? 1 year? I gave you 6 years and he wouldn’t have beaten 4 of them. I didn’t bother with the national league because you would have complained about comparing him to National leaguers.
He would have been “the near runner up to the rookie of the year” in the National League. Acuna and Soto were better.
He would have lost to Bellinger in 2017.
He would have lost to Seager in 2016.
Kris Bryant in ’15.
He might have beaten Jacob Degrom in ’14.
He’d have lost to Fernandez in ’13. His WAR was 6.7. He might have beaten Puig for second place… even though Puig had a higher WAR.
And 2012… Harper was the golden boy.
Don’t get me wrong, I like Andujar… I just don’t have a “mancrush” on him like some of you.
Oh my god. Hope you get a life for Christmas
Yankees fans are funny. The Padres most definitely have the pieces required to get Andujar if they wish. Having a top farm gives you plenty of trade options. Just how bad is Andujars defense at the corner though because we all know he can hit.
No the Padres dont. Name one padre prospect who has actually panned out as good as Andujar….we’re waiting….. Not one
The Padres best reliever the Yankees cut
Dude what are you talking about lol. Yankees would definitely be interested in pieces from the Padres farm. Nobodys trying to compare players here and stir up the pot except you.
The Yankees are not going to give up Andujar for prospects. They are a win-now team, and Andujar makes them better. They’ll only trade him for a major league star of equal value at a position of greater need, in this case the starting rotation.
Yankees should use Andujar to get Syndergaard.Seems like Machado will sign with the Yankees unless someone comes in last minute and blows Boras away with a bigger offer.
Machado isn’t with Boras Einstein
Syndergaard starts at Torres+. Name another pitcher with career #’s like Syndergaard, who has at least 2-3yrs of control, AND is remotely available?
2.93ERA
132 ERA+
2.66 FIP
9.9k/9
Baseball America lists his career stats are most similar to:
1. Jose Fernandez
2. Blake Snell
They should have just taught him to pitch.
You’re assuming the Yanks want prospects. That’s why ppl are saying there’s no match. The prospect the Yanks would want, you’re not giving up and most of you’re players, aside from MAYBE Lucchesi and Yates, wouldn’t interest the Yanks. And even Lucchesi and Yates may not thrill the Yanks. Lucchesi looks more like a 3/4 guy while Yates struggled the years with the Yanks.
Melchez is just mad he can’t get andujar,I’m a Met fan and id kill to have him
Andujar will improve defensively, I have no doubt about it. He’s a great hitter. He has the potential to become one of the best 3b’s in the game.
I’m not mad… just stating facts.
For what it’s worth, last off season I was critical of the Yankees for picking up Drury and Walker. I felt Torres and Andujar would be able to hold their own as starters. Many here said a team that was trying to win a world series wouldn’t start two rookies.
I don’t understand why the Yankees would move Andujar? He can play third until Gregorious is back and then platoon at first base with Voit or Bird. Most teams are getting away from a full time DH. Rotating players through the DH spot allows you to rest players so they are fresh in August and September.
Yankees fans overvalue Andujar. He had a really nice season but hitting in little Yankee Stadium and Petco are two different things. I doubt the Padres would trade Mackensie Gore for Andujar straight up. Same goes for Tatis Jr. To me, Machado is a luxury item not a necessity. It is extremely difficult to win 100 games in consecutive years. If anything the Yankees should consider signing Keuchel a lefty innings eater and an extreme ground ball pitcher for their small ball park. No way the Sox win 108 games in 2019.
His home/road splits on homers were 16/.11. Not a dramatic split. Also, he hits a ton of doubles and that has nothing to do with park dimensions. I think he would be fine at any stadium. He isn’t exactly hitting wall scrapers (389 mostly to LF and LF-Center).
He reminds me a lot of Cano and Beltre with their hitting profiles.
Until the Padres actually develop one of these prospects like the braves or Yankees have they’ll stay in last place. Margot. Anderson espinoza. The Padres are where prospects go to fail to develop
Trea turner dummy
soldier tell me again how many games did turner play as a padre? he had 1 full season with the padres in the minors and 2 in washington.seems pretty clear You are the dummy, id say the Nats developed him as much as you did and you got what will myers?
thats why padres fans are so clueless you actually think you developed trea turner, when it really was washington…..one year in single A isnt developing a guy what a fool you are
I wouldnt give up any of Tatis,Gore,Mejia,Urias or Paddack for Andujar. San Diego already has a guy who can flat out hit with questionable defense and his name is Franmil Reyes.Turner was developed by the padres even after traded he had to stick with the padres even longer.
You keep calling everybody dummy but this is the second time you’ve listed Margot and Espinoza as failures. Margot was hit in the ribs last year and was never healthy after and Espinoza had TJ and didn’t pitch. If your basing development success on injured players it not a good argument.
Kirby Yates couldn’t even stay on the Yankee roster. But on the Padres he’s a star. That says it all. I repeat Padres fans name one Padres prospect who has panned out as well as andujar. still waiting….
Kirby Yates was recently on the USA roster in Asia and had a 2.14 era and 2.54 fip in 63 innings in 2018. and Padres drafted and developed Trea turner hes definitely better than Andujar so can you focus on how to beat the red sox and stop bashing the padres for liking one of the yankees players thanks.
and yet yates couldnt make the yankees, thats the point. padres fans are delusional. you talk about how great your prospects are but youve been tanking for 10-12 YEARS, youd thik after all that time at least one of your prospects would have developed the yankees started their rebuild 3 years ago and they just won 100 games and have Judge Severino Sanchez Andujar and Torres. all im saying is stop crowing till you develop someone and get out of last place.
until that happens youre all crowing for nothing
Nobodys comparing the Padres to the Yankees only you are we know where we stand. All were talking about here is if the Padres wanted to trade for Andujar they have the prospects to make it happpen but the Yankees are in win now mode so i doubt they want prospects at the moment. Dont need to bash other teams to throw out your opinion
Ignore him dude, because he’s definitely an outlier.
you say you do. but its already proven that you cant develop themyou cant even come up with one, you had to borrow Trea Turner from washington to even try to name one. im just saying you have nothing the Yankees want for Andujar. and remember im a met fan. I dont blame the Yankees, its the same reason you wont get Syndergaard….you over value your prospects,
until the padres actually develop somebody all they are are draft picks youll likely ruin
as youve done for almost 20 years
no stevin. im a realist, trust me rooting for a wilpon owned team you cant afford to believe in fairy tales or drink Koolaid.. the wilpons will sell you a lie any time they can
having lived through them, I recocognize cow chips and the padres fans are not there yet
Yates didn’t throw a splitter while on the Yankees. They didn’t have the development staff to teach it. You just keep holding on to your uninformed arguments. They’re working for you.
soldier i take andujar (126 ops+) over turner (100 ops+) and you traded Turner for Will myers and prospects, how has that worked for you?
im just saying after tanking for 10-12 years you have nothing to show for it
until they do you have nothing to crow about, after all your best pitcher Yates couldnt stick with the yankees and was cut
Turner 4.1war>Andujar 2.5war. Turner can also play SS,2b and CF. Andujar is currently limited to 1b/DH. He can always improve at 3rd it just takes time. I didn’t trade away anyone, the padres always switching GMs so a full rebuild never goes through even Preller traded away the farm in 2015.
war is position reliant ops+ is park adjusted and I know Andujar will get better. that kid can flat out hit
i understand why the yankees will sign Machado, any time you can get a superstar for just money you do it but andujar as a rookie is much much much better than Machado was as a rookie and I watched them both. its why I know Andujar can get better
“Kirby Yates couldn’t make the Yankees and now he’s an all star on the padres!” This is perhaps one of the stupidest arguments I’ve ever seen. The Yankees could not figure out how to get the best out of Yates and that is somehow a good thing? Really? That shows the Yankees superiority? Neftleberg you are one of the most clueless around here.
Stud players like Jacoby Ellsbury are clogging up the 25-man roster. The Yankees would gladly take Yates over Jacoby….but they are stuck w his albatross contract.
Yankees – fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&…
Yates – fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=9073&posit…
Seems to me he would have been one of if not the best on the squad. But drunk Yankee fans know all. Isn’t that right Billy boy.
how long have the padres been tanking? 10-12 years? no wonder their fans are delusional. they wouldnt know a gppd prospect if it bit them on the behind.
no Andujar f0r you and no Syndergaard either
I like the pads prospects like tatis a lot but you aren’t wrong. Results need to be there in the end. The Braves, Yankees and Red Sox developed young cores in a short span. The Sox and Yankees haven’t had #1 picks either which makes their builds even more impressive
I agree, the Padres talk a good game, but they havent improved, until they do all it is is a bunch of hot air. its part of the reason they signed hosmer.
when even your own GM realizes that the prospects alone arent good enough to change things, you know that things need a dose of reality and Padre fans certainly do
Their payrolls don’t hurt their “rebuilds” either. There are top notch free agents and stud homegrown players being extended on these teams. Bill, if you haven’t perished due to a road rage accident in the next 2 or 3 years, I hope that you will return to this conversation and reflect on it. Say whatever you want about the Padres farm system. Must be a lot of stupid people out there since you have it all figured out apparently.
Settle down Bill, you’re drunk
Bill seems like he’s one of those East Coast fans who like to bash West Coast teams like the Padres without actually staying up to date on the current state of the team.
no im a draftnik. I follow the draft very closely and have for years
the Padres have a very deserved reputation of being extremely cheap when it comes to drafting the routinely draft for guys they know they can sign for less than top dollar rather than the best player available . Aaron Judge was quoted as saying he thought he was going to be a padre out of the draft. they had scouted him multiple times. but the Padres took Renfroe because he agreed to sign for less
he signed for 2.6M, the slot value for pick 13 is now 4M. they just pick players who will sign cheap
Thank you padres for taking renfroe that year !!!!!! ^_______^
You are drunk. No one has spent more on amateur players since 2016 than the Padres. With fines, they have spent over $120 million. Wish I could say the same about my O’s. Time to go back to the drawing board there Billy boy.
All of this is true Bill, but it also precedes the current administration and a massive spending internationally. Hope the weather is nice wherever you are. I’m wearing shorts outside today.
no you padres fans are
heres a complete list of Padre first round draft picks since 2000
2016 Cal Quantrill
2016 Hudson Sanchez
2016 Eric Lauer
2014 Trea Turner
2013 Hunter Renfroe
2012 Max Fried
2011 Cory Spangenberg
2011 Joe Ross
2010 Karsten Whitson
2009 Donavan Tate
2008 Allan Dykstra
2007 Nick Schmidt
2006 Matthew Antonelli
2005 Cesar Carrillo
2004 Matt Bush
2003 Tim Stauffer
2002 Khalil Greene
2001 Jake Gautreau
2000 Mark Phillips
notice anything? im not drunk, im just not deluding myself as padre fans are,
they have a reputation as one of the worst teams in baseball history at developing prospects, that list includes a bunch of top ten draftees. including a first overall
its there in black and white Im just reporting the facts
if a padre fan wants to dispute this let him or her present their evidence but I know they cant it just doesnt exist
Padres are above average when it comes to their draft picks making it to the majors, above average in their draft picks sticking in the majors as average players, and above average in their draft picks putting up 10+ WAR careers. Stats were posted a few days ago on this board. Put down the bottle Billy boy. Your trolling isn’t working.
I actually do agree with you Bill. You’re right and other Padres fans will likely agree that they have had some trouble drafting first round picks. However, what you don’t seem to realize is that there were other factors involved in those past drafts.
When John Moores owned the team, he was known for being very cheap in signing draft picks (for example, when they drafted Matt Bush over Jered Weaver or Verlander). The current Padres ownership has shown a willingness to spend money and not avoid Boras Clients in the draft, which is why the front office is not financially hamstrung like they used to be.
The Padres also had a revolving door of GMs until Preller came along for various reasons (including the shifting of ownership groups after Moores left). They never were able to start a legitimate rebuild until Preller came in with his guys and rebuilt the farm from the ground up.
Also remember, Preller and his team are embracing analytics like no other past Padres front office has (such as when Kevin Towers was running things). They even hired a guy from Fangraphs to be in a front office role. This will hopefully lead them to better scouting, drafting, and development, which will hopefully lead them to being a better team in the future. So far, I’d say the results are looking good considering they have the consensus #1 farm in baseball.
A lot of this was explained to you by other posters in this comment section, but you were apparently too busy running your mouth to listen. I know it might be hard having to keep up with a West Coast team you hate when you’re on the East Coast rooting for a team that’s had just as much (if not more) problems of it’s own, but dig a little deeper next time.
Nobody disputes the history of the Padres. But what does that have to do with the new ownership group?? And only drunks say I’m not drunk;)
no only people who have no factual leg to stand on, call others drunk when they are proven to be ignorant as you and other Padre fans have been shown to be.
Ive provided facts all you and other Padre fans have provided is insults
and I avent said anything about the new ownership group Ive just said the padres have a history of being cheap and drafting poorly. as I said even Aaron Judge thought the padres were gonna draft him, but they drafted Hunter Renfroe instead, because he wanted less of a bonus to sign.
im certain that even Padre fans would rather have Judge than Renfroe
why deny the truth
And Abraham Lincoln was a Republican!!! Jesus Bill, different ownership, GM, scouts, all of it. Nobody is more frustrated about lack of success historically in the draft than Padres fans. Thanks for your insight.
No Bill, you’re trying to say that the current Padres organization is still being run like they were back in the mid-2000s. Look at your older posts above where you say things like they still haven’t improved, or they wouldn’t know a good prospect if it bit them on the behind.
I know it might be hard for you to believe, but it’s not like that anymore (as I tried to explain to you). You’re blinded by your ignorance and you’re resorting to using the same old Padres tropes that other trolls bring out all the time.
How many of the guys you listed were drafted by the current ownership group?
By the way going back 10 rounds in the 2013 draft there were only 7 players taken after Hunter Renfroe who are having better careers. Obviously with perfect hindsight you take Judge but Renfroe hasn’t been any kind of a failure.
So your assessing the current Padres front office based on picks that were made by other ownership groups (all but three in 2016). This looks like the wiki list ripped straight off the page and isn’t even complete.
See what many overlook when assessing the Padres is the franchise ownership instability and constant change in front office personnel. Those picks you list were chosen by 6 different front offices, Towers/ Moorse, Alderson/Moorse, Moorad/Hoyer, Moorad Byrnes, Moorse2/ Byrnes, Seidler/ Byrnes, and the current Preller/ Seidler. To treat it all as the same front office making the same mistake isn’t accurate. Drafts since 2015 under the current front office have widely been viewed as 180 degrees from the past.
Another misconception is their drafts slot being a top 5 pick every year.. In the last 20 yrs they drafted in the top 5 spots only 4 times and only once had the top spot. The Padres system has never had a prospect with the talent level of an Albies, Acuna, Swanson, Andujar so it’s not like they screwing up can’t miss guys. Mackenzie Gore is the exception. Not even Trea Turner was as cant miss when he was taken in 2014.
The prospects that have been brought up the last three years since the all in of 2015 have all been here prior to AJs front office. Phil, Maton, Joey Lucchesi, Eric Lauer and Manuel Margot being the exception. You point to Anderson Espinoza as a fail but he didn’t even get a half a season in rookie ball and Ft Wayne before TJ surgery. Might be a little early to hang the bust label. Manuel Margot was hardly seen as Juan Soto.and is also only 24 with less than 2 complete seasons in the ML.
I agree with you the pressure is now there to show something from the international signings of 2016 and the last three drafts. Lucchesi and Lauer could be solid contributors to an ML rotation. Urias and Tatis should get their shots in 2019 and will start the influx of the high end prospects to come. Again let’s give it a couple of years seeing that most of these players are under the age of 22 and many still teenagers.
But you’re a draft nerd so I’m sure you know all this.
six flags said:
“No Bill, you’re trying to say that the current Padres organization is still being run like they were back in the mid-2000s.”
where did i say that? I did say that until they start showing results you cant assume things have changed. didnt Preller trade Trea Turner, Justin Upton, Yamani Grandal Drew Pomerantz, and Brad Hand, thats 5 all star level players….. now tell me who they got back for them that is an impact player?
im willing to give Preller the benefit of the doubt. but he need to start shown results
Matt Bush…that one stung.
I’ve come to the conclusion that Preller puts zero stock in defense.
the padres have been doing this since Matt Bush
as reported at the time:
“in 2004, when the Padres picked a high school shortstop over a right-handed pitcher from Old Dominion University.
The pick: Matt Bush, SS, Mission Bay High School (San Diego)
The draft pick that immediately followed: Justin Verlander.”
“Our first pick, we were prepared to spend between three and four million bucks,” former Padres General Manager Kevin Towers told Baseball America at the time. “If it took a major league contract for someone we felt deserved a major league contract, we’d give it. But I didn’t think they were worth that.
“Drew was going to take all freaking summer long, and we don’t know if we’ll even sign the guy. Boras isn’t going to give us a number. Just … you know what? Screw it. Let’s get somebody who wants to go out and play, and wants to be a Padre.”
That someone was Matt Bush, an athletic high school shortstop with an electric arm who was rated by a number of teams as a mid-first-round target. He didn’t require a major league contract, the Padres lacked a second-round pick to use on him and the 18-year-old kid even reached out to the front office to express a desire to suit up for his hometown team.
thats why I say that Padres fans are delusional. their own GM said that in the San Diego Union and they didnt know that. they have a reputation for doing that and have for years. its why their team is so bad….
im sure some of their fans know this but the ones who post here are ashamed to admit it. they call me drunk or a hater because they know im right and cant dispute the facts
so i repeat present your factual argument if you can,
I just made a post related to this. Stop, take a deep breath, and read next time before you go furiously typing your next rant. It would also help if you put the shot glass back in the cupboard.
For whatever reason you’re obsessed with The Padres, Bill.
no im just in favor of the truth and some padres fans wouldnt know the truth if it bit them, some like six flags just said, know im right, but even he wont admit that until they actually start Producing home grown stars it means nothing
preller traded grandal upton,turner Pomerantz and basically got no impact back. until you actually start producing real players of impact your deluding yourselves
you all just dont like that I know your team better than you do. but then I buy 3 or 4 draft guides a year and read, all I can because I enjoy baseball, when you start doing that. youll know more too
The original argument was whether the Padres had any player(s) worth trading Andujar for. And the answer is an astounding yes, and always depends on for what cost. If they traded Andujar for relievers and or a starting pitcher, and replaced him w Machado, then they would be upgrading in all innstances
Grandal wore out his welcome and Austin Hedges needed his shot to be the first homegrown drafted player in years to,stay in the majors. While the bat hasn’t developed like they wanted; the rest of Hedges game is well above average. This Was addition by subtraction and Yaz couldn’t even keep his starting roll in LA. Pretty funny he got replaced by another Austin.
Upton was never gona be resigned. Whether the Fulmer rumors were true, they did get a bat for a year that was to assist the all in and a comp pick that led to Eric Lauer who will start for the Pads in 2019. This one still has a chance to produce rotation arm for the next 4 to 6 seasons.
Trea Turner needs to be viewed in totality. The mere fact a front office went all in to land what they thought was a face of the franchise player to lead their battle to contention was a huge departure from the inept past you tried to represent with their draft record. It didn’t work. Luis Castillo and Gerardo Reyes are parts of this deal that never get talked about and Reyes just finished his Winter league stint without giving up an unearned run in like 25 games. Trea Turner hurt but Fernando Tatis could make it go away as early as this season.
Drew Pomeranz and Jose Torres was a steal for Yonder Alonso and Scrabble. Sold high on him and got their top pitching prospect in the system at the time. Again he had TJ surgery so it’s too early to judge. What I can say is this put an Acuna, Soto type prospect into a system of which they hadn’t had access to. Jose Torres would have made this even sweeter until the domestic violence conviction.
No complaints in principal with anything AJ did. There will always be set backs and mistakes. Every franchise makes them but the talent pool was so far gone over the last 10 years. The current front office has done more to address that than any other in the the last two plus decades. It takes time and I’m giving it to them.
injed we trust, I have no problem with giving them rope. after all Preller did turn his biggest mistake (signing James Sheilds) into Tatis, but im saying you cant take credit for anything until there are tangible results thats all im saying. when there are, then you can say he did good, till then you have to say its an incomplete.
Nobody posting on this site is taking credit. Outside parties rank prospects and systems.
If they still had Turner he’d be at SS and then Tatis could play 3rd base (where he might have to move anyway). Unbelievable that anyone still tries to defend that trade.
The Rizzo for Cashner trade wasn’t that bad also
Padre fans have Tatis in HOF
Preller 5 years aside from prospects and Matt Strahm hasn’t made 1 good trade
Here’s a factual argument …
The Matt Bush draft was 15 years, three ownerships and four GM’s ago, making your argument totally irrelevant.
heres an example
the Padres in 2016 under AJ Preller took Cal Quantrill in 2 years since he’s gone 7-15
houston who drafted 17th drafted Forrest Whitley who has gone 7-10 but is widely considered the best pitching prospect in baseball
Bill, you are clearly a closet Padres fan. Just admit it. Nobody outside San Diego has ever been this upset about the long history of inept management of this ballclub. We as fans are sure hoping that we have turned the corner. It is going to be pretty enjoyable when they are competing consistently. We welcome you brother. You are obviously one of us!!!
I get it, the Yankees have never drafted a guy who didn’t perform better than anyone drafted after them while in the minors. That is a tough act to follow. Thanks Bill
How about I explain how idiotic it is to cite pitcher wins and losses to try and make your point.
There are ménage-a-trade possibilities here. Andujar to the Pads, Realmuto to the Yanks and prospects to the Fish. Obviously the trade would have to be balanced out, but that could serve as a framework.
The Yankees don’t need realmuto
I wonder if the Yankees considered moving Andujar to 1st base?
Why would the Yankees want realmuto. they have a catcher who can hit 30+ hr’s and 90+ RBI. If anybody wanted a great defensive squad they’d never win. Nicholas Castellano and JD Martinez can’t field at all and nobody cares. The only time anybody cares is when someone is trying to steal them in a trade. As a Met fan we just got a great hitting catcher who I think will outslug Realmuto and even if Realmuto is a bit more consistent with the glove so what.
And if you had a team full of guys like that you would lose a lot of games because your pitchers are having to get 5 outs per inning. The GM of your team would laugh at your statement, especially about the catching position.
The best defensive outfielder in baseball got cut by the reds and they brought in one of the worst outfielders in Matt Kemp, why did that happen if defense is so important?
It happened because the “best defensive outfielder” is literally about the worst hitter in baseball. Kemp will not be playing center field and will probably fight for playing time. It was about clearing room and money on rosters and bringing in Puig, who incidentally, provides a great deal of value because of his defense – at least he is capable of it.
Kemp might get himself cut anyway. You conveniently fail to note that they traded arguably the worst starter in baseball for Kemp.
Hope the Red Sox can work something out with Kimbrel.
I would guess somewhere about $65-75M may get it done.
I know why they did it.I’m just saying if you can hit they will play you. Rhys Hoskins was abominable in the outfield. Nick Castellano couldn’t field a beachball, and Andujar is a better hitter than both of them. So why would the Yankees trade Andujar to the Padres for prospects? the answer is they wouldnt. That’s the point. I’m a Met fan but even I can see that. It’s the same reason the mets wouldn’t trade you syndergaard….We listened as we should always do but the moment you took anyone off the table Van Wagonen walked away. Until the Padres understand that prospects have value but aren’t proven.you’ll keep getting disappointed.
But not one of those Padres prospects like Margot or Espinoza has panned out. Prospects are fine but until they pan out like Andujar they are nothing. I’d take Judge, Andujar, Sanchez, Torres, Severino, Betances and Paxton And Gregorious and Voit and Hicks and Happ all of whom were either Yankees prospects of acquired for Yankees prospects over all of the Padres prospects. The reason is simple
Major League production is worth more than prospects. And I’m not saying none of them will ever pan out, hopefully they do, but until that happens, they aren’t worth what you think they are. That’s all I’m saying. any lottery ticket can win the jackpot, but until you have one with the winning numbers, you’re not a millionaire. So just play the prospects and see
Trolling with this volume of comments…
The same logic holds true for every other team’s farm system as well. If the Padres can’t build a contender out of their farm system, there is no hope for any of the other teams that are currently rebuilding (Reds, Orioles, Marlins, Tigers, etc.)
Trades, low risk free agents are also key to building WS winning team.
First of all Margot has a down year last year but had a pretty solid rookie year, Luchessi had a sub 3 ERA for the first half of the year, Franmil Reyes seems to be working out and Espinoza hasn’t even pitched since surgery so its a little premature to say he hasn’t panned out.. Secondly, Of course you would normally take a group of known commodities over a group of potential commodities, Having said that, I still would rather have Tatis over the players you listed other than Judge and Sevrino. I agree that one in the hand is usually worth more than two in the bush, but to say that the prospects are worth nothing until they produce on the big stage Is ridiculous. Weather they pan out, increase competition with in the organization or are used as trade bait to get MLB ready talent, they have value. It might be difficult to quantify but there’s value. Additionally, in the age of analytics, the odds of prospects panning out are far greater then they used to and are sure as hell better than a lotto ticket. In actuality, the odds of a player like Andujar maintaining his current trajectory isn’t that astronomically better then the odds of a top prospect panning out Teams very seldom trade proven MLB talent for other proven talent, the trades almost always include packages of prospects. There is risk but with great risk comes great reward. How do you think the Indians got Kluber or how the Yanks got Gleyber Torres? In regards to Andujar, he is a one dimensional player that has significant limitations. So in terms of the prospect haul he would net the Yanks, it isnt worth as much as you think he would. Just look at what the Orioles got for Machado or what the Dbacks got for Goldschmit., Simple fact is, Prospects are the life blood of organizations and are the primary currency used in trades. The whole MLB has been salivating over the talent the Padres have acquired and developed. They have several top 100 prospects knocking on the door to the MLB so if some one did trade with the Padres and they got a top prospect or two, its not like Some one would be taking a flyer on a player still in low single A..
That’s the whole point of the discussion Padre fans think they can get any player because they have a quote unquote stacked farm system. Well they won’t get Andujar because the Yankees are in win now mode. They won’t get Kluber because they trying to retool not rebuild they want proven young mlb assts not projectionable prospects. They didn’t get Syndagaard for the same reason.
Every name that is said to be available we gotta hear Padres involved but yet they still do nothing but to believe a win now team like the Yankees would trade their most valuable trade asset for a couple prospects is just stupid. No analytic backing or stat driven proof needed. Just plain eye stupidity to believe that.
First of all yes, the Yanks absolutely would trade Andajar. Couple the fact that there Is a great chance Machado goes to the YankS couple that with the fact that that all saber metrics such as DZR and DRS really quantify just how much a liability Andujar is defensively.. In regards to THOR, he wasn’t worth Tatis , but there were SEVERAL prospect packages that would be more then enough to get Thor. But if the Mets didn’t 180 and stop selling off assets then we could get him faithfully but thing is, Padres don’t have the same luxury that the Dodgers, Sox and Yanks where they can buy there way to October. We actually have to get creative.. For example the Cubs traded Toress wich was a top prospect for a half season rental of chapman because the Cubs were in wIn now mode, coupled with there elite infields they could afford to take the hit. . Considering the circumstances it make sense why the cubs will pull the trigger on a move like that. where as the Padres shouldn’t, or at least not yet. Better believe AJ Preller has what it takes to pull off a trade, He just gunna wait for the right opportunity and strike.. In.regards to Kluber,were not gunna get him because we were the team that traded into the Tribe and theres no way he would recend his trade clause for us, Furthermore, it wouldn’t fit into our window of contention… The funny thing is if you actualy were smart enough to understand analytics then you would realize that not only is Andajar not your most.valuable trade piece, but he is a liability. you will come to lament them. sooner than later. Simple fact is,when the times right we will make the big trades but you are clearly missing out on the big picture. The rest of mlb has been drooling over our farm stsrem for a minute and the Padres know it, its called leverage.. The Padres aren’t makin moves cuz they cant but rather they are waiting on the right time. Maybe get a better understanding of analytics works and maybe you will realize your are miss informed..
OOh and FyI, you can bet on Andujar either being moved to first/Dh platoon with the occasional 3rd base.. Oh and the Yanks, Sox and other teams have made a living on trading players from surplus positions to retool farm clubs and areas of weakness so its not Taboo.
Kimbrel should get 15 mill plus for 4 years 60 total. With maybe a 5th year club option
Agree with the exception that he gets 17M annually 4/68 with a 5th year mutual option and a 2 and 3 year mutual opt out.
A mutual opt-out would be pointless. All the reasons why one side would pick up their half are reasons why the other side wouldn’t pick up theirs.
You are misunderstanding my concept.
Let me clarify that.
I’m saying either side gets to opt-out after 2 or 3 years etc..
It would have to be mutual for both sides to opt-in or continue.
What word would you use to better describe that concept?
Would you call it a mutual opt-in?
Either way it would be pointless. Kimbrel would never give his team the option to opt out after 2 or 3 years.
I think the Padres just need to see what they have with there prospects. They aren’t competing for the division for a couple of years so let there guys get to the bigs and see what they have. IMO there only truly elite talent for the Pads is Tatis and I’m not completely sold him the way I am with Vlad Jr. and Eloy Jimenez. There is absolutely no reason for the Padres to trade for Andujar. I think the Pads have a lot of future MLB guys in there farm let them mature and see where they are at they will always be able to trade from there surplus later on down the road when they are competing, probably 2020-21.
On another note the guy that I can’t wait to see is Vlad Jr. He struggles defensively at third, kind of like Andujar but his offensive potential is off the charts truly elite offensive potential. I can’t wait to see him I think he absolutely rakes from season one.
I’m not sold on Vlad the way I am on Tatis. Vlad is going to be a brick in the field like Andujar and won’t be much better than Tatis with the bat.
I agree he will be bad defensively but his offense is truly going to be elite his bat will more then makeup for his defense. I think Vlad’s bat is special his bat plays anywhere. There is nothing else for him to prove in the minors the guy is younger then Tatis and started at rookie ball and ended in AAA and was truly elite offensively at every level. His bat is special.
Let’s see him produce in the Majors before we throw bouquets at him
Look I think Tatis is really good and has a chance to be an Allstar but at no level, despite being the same age, has Tatis been anywhere near as good offensively as Vlad Jr. The big leagues are different but I’m betting on Vlad to be elite almost immediately at least offensively.
Sorry. I’m not not as convinced about hype boy as you seem to be.
I’m not sure all 60 days of their age difference will be a factor
Nope their offense to this point is the difference not even close.
Nor is their defense
What about those of us who threw bouquets at Soto and Acuna before the 2018 season?
I think Vlad’s bat will be as good or better.
Totally agree that Vlad’s bat is going to be special.
Haha I honestly like Vlad. I just wanted to see how Jays fans would react to someone talking about one of their top prospects the way other teams’ fans always talk about the Padres’ top prospects. And obviously Vlad isn’t exempt from the “prospects are just prospects until they prove otherwise” mantra.
Actually redrooster not a Jays fan I’m a Red Sox fan. So I have no skin in the game but just what I have seen and as a Red Sox fan I’m jealous. That guy is going to absolutely rake.
So is Tatis
We will see. Just going to see on Vlad Jr. earlier because as soon as they get the extra year, I think it’s less then a month into the season, Vlad is coming up.
Expecting to see Tatis up in short order as well