The Dodgers have hired Jeff Kingston as their new vice president and assistant general manager, as per a club announcement. Kingston held those same titles with the Mariners before resigning to take the job in Los Angeles.
Kingston is just 41 years old, though he already has close to two decades’ worth of experience in Major League front offices. Kingston began as an intern with the Padres and worked in San Diego for nine years before moving to Seattle in 2009. When former Mariners GM Jack Zduriencik was fired in 2015, Kingston briefly took over as Seattle’s interim general manager before Jerry Dipoto was hired as the permanent GM. Upon Dipoto joining the organization, Kingston was promoted to his VP/assistant GM title and was heavily involved in all facets of the operation, including overseeing the analytics and player development departures.
That analytical bent makes Kingston a good fit in a Dodgers organization that has prioritized being on the cutting edge of baseball data under president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman. Though Friedman is atop the baseball decision-making pyramid regardless of specific title, it is perhaps noteworthy that Kingston will be an assistant GM on a team without an actual general manager, as the Dodgers aren’t planning to hire a new GM this offseason in the wake of Farhan Zaidi’s departure to the Giants.
imindless
Trash. More analytical cronnies to add the pile. How good have mariners been exactly?
24TheKid
Finished ahead of the Angels last year.
imindless
You say that like thats an achievement. Lol 3rd place like 5+ havent developed any talent worth mentioning. Analytics has shown us how to overmanage a roster.
marinersfor2040worldseries
So Mitch hanniger, Edwin Diaz, James Paxton, and Marco Gonzales are all just talent the the mariners developed that isn’t “worth mentioning”?
zpgreen
To be fair, Haniger and Gonzales were acquired rather than developed, but still a valid point as to the Mariners FO using analytics to put together some good pieces.
Vizionaire
only to total break up.
restingmitchface
Yeah, those analytic cronies sure are pieces of trash!
Signed,
Cubs fans, Astros fans, and Red Sox fans
baseball1600
No team foundates the core of their lineup on LH/RH splits. If Max Muncy hit .800 with 6 homeruns in a span of 7 days, the Dodgers would still sit him out amongst that streak because of a left handed starter. It’s crazy and the justifications for it are idiotic.
Kenleyfornia74
Yes teams do. The world series MVP was a platoon player who didnt start vs RHP. But when its the Dodgers it becomes a big deal.
corey5kersh22
Get used to it bud. Farhan came from the Dodgers organization so it’s obvious they’re gonna mimic the Dodgers tendencies.
baseball1600
So what? The Red Sox had a platoon, doesn’t every team have a platoon? The difference here is that the Dodgers starting lineup is full of platoons. Kemp, Pederson, Puig, Freese, Muncy, Grandal, Barnes. Just doesn’t make sense that they orient their lineups solely based off of matchups, rather than based off how a player is performing. Joc Pederson could be hitting .400 in the month of May, and Matt Kemp could be hitting .180, but in the case of a left handed starter, the dodgers would start Kemp over Pederson. In my eyes that just doesn’t make sense.
baseball1600
Farhan was the GM. That has nothing to do with their analytics. It’s Friedman who’s running the show.
Kenleyfornia74
Look at Joc numbers vs LHP. Or Puigs. They are flat out terrible. Why would they start someone when another player has better numbers vs that matchup
baseball1600
I’m not saying they should regularly start. All I don’t get is that if they are hitting well, why stop them? If a player is on fire, let them stay on fire until they cool down. Not being in the lineup for a day can mess up your game.
restingmitchface
Have you ever stopped to consider that Muncy’s hypothetical week (hitting .800 with six dingers) occurred in part because the Dodgers put him in the best position to succeed?
Kenleyfornia74
And when Muncy was on his red hot tears he started vs everyone
thinkblech
If you get dominated by Ty Blach, you aren’t figuring it out vs Chris Sale and David Price, no matter how hot you are against righties.
thinkblech
And Bellinger had the 16th most PAs vs lefties in all of baseball. He struggled vs them, but he brought enough with the glove, and he’s young enough to give him shots to improve. In the WS? They needed offense. They weren’t going to get it from Bellinger vs lefties. Doc was right to start him all season vs lefties, and he was right to bench him vs Sale and Price.
fox471 Dave
Smile.
fox471 Dave
Foundates?
Vickers
I suppose we don’t know how much input he’s had, given that he didn’t make any final decisions. Right now, the Dodgers are probably just looking for more boots on the ground. He’ll be a representative and help with the data intake for the time being. Seems like more of an opportunity for him to prove himself on a team that has many vacancies.
Kenleyfornia74
Yeah the Mariners where he didn’t call the shots or have the same resources as LA relevant. Sounds like an excuse to just continue the “mindless” hate on analytics
gocrazyfolks
Analytics has worked pretty well for the Dodgers and the Astros. And the Cubs, and the Red Sox.
baseball1600
Eventually teams will become so obsessed that it will backfire in their faces. The best teams find a way to incorporate analytics and old school scouting at an equal pace. Those teams will be the prominent ones in the 2020s.
dimitrios in la
Actually, I think we’re all still learning about analytics, and how truly helpful and/or limited they can be. As for the Cubs, they look more and more like a team who would help build a case against analytics as their front office has made a spate of really bad evaluations.
14thor
Your ignorance is astonishing.
Analytics is what has led the Dodgers to 2 consecutive pennants. It broke the curses in Boston and Chicago. It allowed a small market team like the Rays to win the pennant in a strong AL East division.
Just look at how mismanaged the Angels were with Scoscia the anti-analytics king.
Thronson5
Honestly this is just a hire to help out the main man, Friedman. Friedman already made all the final decisions and he has said he will run as the GM but losing their GM just mean more work for him so this helps take some of that load off his back. Not a bad a hire. What Dodger fans really want to know is who we are signing and what trades are we going to make if any
SabrinasDaddy
Agreed. SP’s, RP’s and a C will dominate the LA news cycle during these Winter Meetings if a shake up trade is made. This GM hire is just banta-fodder…
leftcoaster
Just great, another stat geek in the Dodgers front office. Wondering what kind of cutting edge platoon, wild infield shifting and extreme launch angle, strikeouts be damned, strategies he’ll add to the team.
zpgreen
Ya because it’s not like it hasn’t worked or anything having gone to back to back World Series…
restingmitchface
Every single FO incorporates analytics. Hell, even the Orioles are doing it now.
Also, here’s a series of quotes from the Dodgers new hitting coach, who you probably thought was just another launch-angle nerd:
“The value of the ability to make contact is going to be a thing very soon,” Van Scoyoc wrote. “The current climate is dangerously close to the clifff [sic]. The value of the ball in the air is greater than on the ground. I have been a big proponent. But once you average launch is too high, it is quickly accompanied by a decrease in production and high punch.”
Here’s another one: “To me a perfect swing should result in a home run,” Van Scoyoc wrote. “But if you are late or fooled you should have more opportunity for medium contact. Be careful not to ignore the contact when we are imperfect as it will clue us in to how often we will make optimal contact. We cannot accept it being good enough to simply hit homers or swing and miss/ make weak contact. Need to build complete hitters.”
restingmitchface
Here’s a link to the article containing aforementioned quotes:
enews.newsletters.ocregister.com/q/6urGSN6ioyQ6eZf…
leftcoaster
Bla bla bla.
restingmitchface
That’s pretty much the response I expected. No substance. Just go plug your ears with your fingers and sing “na-na-na-na-na-na” under your breath. It’s the only way to disguise the fact that your opinion isn’t grounded in anything real.
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
Shoot, I didn’t get the job. And to find out about it on here. They could have at least emailed me.
zpgreen
I’m disappointed as well. I was able to calculate present value and future value of money as well as spell 8008135 on my calculator and still didn’t get the job either…
Comrade Tipsy McStagger
I actually got an interview. But I mostly talked about how I wasn’t a Dodger fan and how Steve Garvey looked better in a Padre uniform. And then one of the guys mentioned the uniforms being powder blue and I had just done a line in the bathroom and was all paranoid because I thought they were on to me. Plus they wanted hard copies of qualifications and I didn’t bring them in, and out of desperation I made a questionable copy on their copying machine and claimed it was a secret weapon baseball bat, but they didn’t buy it and said it looked more like a pee wee league bat. So many things I wish I could undo.
zpgreen
Sounds like your job prospects, ego and dignity might have all taken a hit during this process.
jorge78
Come on guys. Front offices have a small army of people each contributing their thing.
Anybody read Nick Colletti’s
book? Hopefully they mesh.
Best wishes Jeff!
restingmitchface
There’s a lot of baseball fans out there that think FO collaboration is something to make fun of. Just chalk it up to willful ignorance, I guess.
dodgerskingsfan
Ned. His name is ned
Vizionaire
isn’t this the first time in baseball an assistant g.m. gets the vp title?
restingmitchface
From the article:
“Kingston held those same titles with the Mariners before resigning to take the job in Los Angeles.”
Codeeg
I don’t really care so much for all the president essentially being what a gm was 10 years ago. It’s all a title it seems to keep all these FO people from jumping ship and having more promotions within. I wonder what the new title will be when people like Zaidi are jumping ship for president.
King? CEO? Ambassador?
zpgreen
CBO – Chief Baseball Officer
Stratocaster
Czar of Nerd Stats will be a thing.
xabial
Part ownership of the team. It’s already a thing what the A’s did to keep Beane from jumping ship to the Red Sox.
DarrenDreifortsContract
Yeah, just what we need. Another numbers guy who will throw all logic out the window because of what a computer says.
LaunchAngleAHHHH
Hate to be the one to break this to you, but computer data is based solely on logic