7:03pm: The San Diego organization has held some talks regarding Kluber as well as Blue Jays righty Marcus Stroman, per Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune (via Twitter). But while “the Padres could still add a starting pitcher for 2019,” he says, “it won’t be one of those two.”
Needless to say, that’s a rather forthright rebuke of the earlier reporting this evening, which had characterized the Padres as active and strong pursuers of Kluber.
3:59pm: The Padres are among the teams discussing a trade for two-time AL Cy Young winner Corey Kluber with the Indians, reports Jon Morosi of MLB.com. Morosi further tweets that several other NL clubs — the Dodgers, Reds, Phillies and Brewers — are also involved in Kluber talks to varying degrees. San Diego, he notes, is not believed to be any sort of favorite at the moment.
However, the Padres do have a number of interesting young, MLB-ready pieces to include in a potential Kluber deal. Any of center fielder Manuel Margot, right fielder Hunter Renfroe or catcher Austin Hedges could potentially be involved in a Kluber swap, per Morosi, although it’s difficult to see how any of that trio would headline a package for for a pitcher as accomplished as Kluber.
Margot and Hedges are quality defenders, though neither has hit in the Majors yet and both have already topped two years of big league service (meaning they have four years of control remaining). Renfroe has demonstrated significant power and is controlled for another five seasons but walked at just a 6.8 percent clip last season and barely kept his on-base percentage north of .300. Furthermore, Morosi suggests that the Padres would be reluctant to include either of their top two prospects — shortstop Fernando Tatis Jr. and lefty MacKenzie Gore — in a trade. Presumably, then, San Diego would need to include additional MLB-ready talent and deal from its next tier of prospects in order to make the best offer for Kluber, who can be controlled for another three seasons at a total of $52.5MM (with the final two of those seasons coming in the form of club options).
Kluber, of course, was originally a Padres farmhand after being selected in the fourth round of the 2007 draft. The Padres, under a previous regime and not the current A.J. Preller-led front office, shipped Kluber to Cleveland in a three-team swap that sent Jake Westbrook to St. Louis and Ryan Ludwick to San Diego. Kluber, at the time, wasn’t even considered a top prospect but nonetheless flourished in his new environs, blossoming into a bona fide ace and one of the very best pitchers of the past decade.
The Indians have won three straight division championships and made a World Series appearance along the way, but they’ve seen their payroll inflate to levels that are beyond ownership’s comfort threshold along the way. President of baseball ops Chris Antonetti, GM Mike Chernoff and the rest of the staff have already cut payroll by trading Edwin Encarnacion, Yonder Alonso and Yan Gomes, though the Indians also took back Carlos Santana in that Encarnacion trade, which lessened the overall financial relief they received in that trio of trades. It’s not clear whether ownership has given a mandate to further reduce payroll, but it’s evident that Antonetti, Chernoff & Co. at the very least remain open to moving a top-tier starter in an effort to add multiple, controllable and affordable pieces to the big league roster.
imindless
Fake news. Pads would still stink with kluber and cant see them trading future pieces for an aging ace might as well go sign keuchel for dollars and keep young players.
Yankeepatriot
I don’t know why you were downvoted, you aren’t wrong. The pads aren’t close to contention to the trade if anything would set back their rebuild more
elscorchot
Who cares about downvotes. They don’t mean anything.
SDHotDawg
It’s because some people seem to base their self-esteem and worthiness according to the up/down votes they receive on a message board forum. A little pathetic, IMO.
RedRooster
Having multiple accounts and using them to spam downvote comments you disagree with is more pathetic.
xabial
Agree. Would you agree I’m mlbtr #1 target? Lol
nowheretogobutup
What down votes tell the baseball world is these bloggers don’t know what their talking about, daaa, do you get it now?
nowheretogobutup
I can’t imagine why? xabial, maybe you can explain
xabial
No, I’d rather not fuel the ammunition.
It is what it is. I doubt some of these pple even read my posts and just dv based on my name.
They’ve admitted this to me, which you can say, is even sadder than multiple accounts.
SDHotDawg
That’s your game, junior. It’s been proven. Grow up a bit, Ryan. Maybe people will take you seriously.
Again, I will defer to what I said about votes on a message board. It’s pretty pathetic to take them seriously. But then, it’s you. And your alters.
RedRooster
It’s you that needs to grow up. You haven’t proven shxt. When you were asked to provide a link you just cowered into your little hole. I have exposed you multiple times for using multiple accounts to downvote people. They are Pads Fans, outinleftfield, websoulsurfer, watermelonmtnscout and several others. I’d have so much more respect for you if you just stuck to commenting on one account.
Oh and my name still isn’t Ryan.
SDHotDawg
You are laughable. You admitted it on the MLB bords in an argument with PadsFans and others. And you continually attack posts and posters you disagree with. You aren’t even smart enough to know how easy it is to identify your screen names!
redrooster/WestCoastRyan/YourDaddy/RyanIsBetter … etc. It’s a glaring sign of your insecurity. I pity you.
RedRooster
How can I admit anything on the MLB boards if I don’t even have an account on there? Again, you were asked to provide a link multiple times and you just cowered into your little hole ever time. If you had an actual case to make you would have dropped a link.
“And you continually attack posts and posters you disagree with. You aren’t even smart enough to know how easy it is to identify your screen names!”
Look in the mirror bud.
I’m not those guys and have nothing to be insecure about unlike a weird little underage troll such as yourself.
JKB 2
More than a little pathetic actually. I agree.
JKB 2
Xabial I would not agree but I would agree that you are some immature freshman in college home on winter break who loves to try to become the center of attention be it good or nad attention.
xabial
JKB You know nothing. I’m graduating soon.
Take it easy with insults
lucero5000
You guys don’t realize no one cares about this but you, do you? Maybe take all of the non-baseball conversation back to the forums?
SDHotDawg
No need to “look in the mirror.” Your first post in this thread says it all.
“In baseball news today, …”
RedRooster
Whatever you say PF
KnicksFanCavsFan
You might partly be right but a lot of it is seen as fans against your team hating just to be hating. Even with that, you’re still correct. Sometimes when you get up votes it just makes you feel like your opinion was logical or made sense. I never thought much of it beyond that. I don’t know if anyone here is in competition to be the king commentator. THAT would be awkward. I forget about most my posts 15 minutes after I send it unless I’m bored and was interesting with sometime. But of late it seems we are spending wayyyyyyyy too much time taking about the act of commenting and the personalities behind them and led about the subject matter.
JKB 2
Congratulations in advance for your graduation. Wish you success.
JKB 2
That was for xabial
Ron Burgundy
What a turd. When ever I take a Ryan I flush twice, it’s a long way to LA,
Polymath
Where do even see up votes and down votes? I don’t see any on my iPhone app.
lowtalker1
Play on the app you see none of those down vote.
There are people in here that will downvote you no matter what, if they don’t like you.
They will down vote you if they don’t want to hear the truth.
They are over rated and just the same as some of those that were on mlb chat… it’s stupid
ColossusOfClout
Fake news? Take it easy, this is trade RUMORS not CNN.
baseballdad3036
Lololololol!!True that!!
Xavier Blaine
And Fox News. I watch a little bit of both every now and then to see what’s up in the political world, but both are biased. Just stick to your local network.
jt3z
Fox is definitely biased but cnn tells flat out lies. Granted neither is as bad as msnbc lol
xabial
At least Fox News has a comments section on their website so people can voice their opinion
Where’s CNN comment section? Surprised CNN allows YouTube comments in their vids, so people can call them fake news there
Xavier Blaine
…I’ve seen fox lie as well. Especially about the news reporter “violent gesture” incident a couple months ago. Both parties have dubious intentions as do their news stations.
metseventually 2
Must be nice to be ignorant.
Bert17
Hundreds of local news shows are owned by national corps that force them to read verbatim copy on national issues. Sinclair Corp is more right wing than Fox.
Bert17
Not defending CNN, but Fox alternates between being the source and the repeater of Trump streams of ridiculous lies, regardless of how demonstrably false they are — including when Trump claims he never said things that he said directly on TV/radio in the past. That kind of shameless lying is exactly what distinguishes Fox from other weak news sources. They purposely, intentionally lie in whatever way supports their position or whips up their base. Self avowed supremacist shoots up a black church, it’s not a crime against black people, it’s anti-Christian. Barefoot refugees walking a thousand miles? They’re an “invasion.”
xabial
Not defending Fox but.. Jim Acosta..
nwwh
Exactly.
TheFixIsIn
Snowflake alert. Take it easy buddy. You just turned the MLB Trade Rumors board into a political fight. #kag #Trump2020
You started it….
blackleather
The guy won 20 games in ‘18…and how is a 32 year old pitcher, “aging”?…please put the crackpipe down and stop hatin. Mad because Kershaw is beginning to look like a softball pitcher in the playoffs?
kenleyfornia2
Have you seen Kluber in the playoffs? He makes Kershaw look like Sandy Koufax
Michael Chaney
This narrative has to go. Kluber was lights out in the 2016 playoffs, and 2017 and 2018 were such short playoff appearances that it’s unreasonable to draw conclusions.
kenleyfornia2
And i can say the same thing for Kershaw. I dont even care about pushing narratives. But someone talking about Kluber to talk down to Kershaw is invalid
Michael Chaney
That’s fair. Unless someone has a large sample size of struggling in the playoffs, I don’t really judge them for it. Kluber and Kershaw are both elite pitchers, and I leave it at that.
SDHotDawg
Would either one of those teams have been in the playoffs WITHOUT Kluber or Kershaw? Debate over.
JKB 2
I think he was suggesting Kluber is aging in comparison to when the compative window would be open for the Padres
holycowdude
Dumb. Just because the Padres would still be bad and this isn’t a trade scenario you agree with doesn’t make it “fake news.” “Fake news” would be if the headline read “Padres closing in on a deal with Kluber.” This gas become the most overused (and ridiculous) phrase of this decade. Thanks, pres.
imindless
Guess being padres fans all actual sense goes out the window. Go ahead and trade prospects and be irrevelant for the next 5 years hosmer looks great
nowheretogobutup
mindless, let’s talk about the Doyers trading away 50 HR”s and receiving two ave. rooks in return, LOL
SDHotDawg
A lot of the speculation is they’re trying to make room for Harper. I think it’s more likely they wanted to make room for Verdugo. Besides, they were done with Kemp. And Puig? For whatever reason, they’ve been quietly trying to move him for more than a year.
RedRooster
Both the players the Dodgers traded were pending FA’s. That trade doesn’t make them better on its own but it does free up some $ and some space in the OF which if they use that money and use it wisely it makes some sense.
imindless
Yup an aging worthless outfielder in kemp and wood who is more of a backend starter than a 1 or 2. Im also good not having the puig drama in the club house, and on top of it all freeing up cap space for future signings. Two top 15 prospects aint bad with everything else mentioned add in aquiring harper or kluber or realmuto and it looks even better. Dodgers still the class of the nl west.
lowtalker1
Puig drama
As much as I don’t like him. The doyuers didn’t start winning until he was called up. They were what 20 games at first and then went on a tears once he made his debut
lowtalker1
There are worst ones
Obama care
Pound me too
Hashtag
Russia
DNC
imgman09
You obviously don’t know what Fake News is and you don’t even know if it’s fake.This is not Fake,the Padres have been in on numerous conversations of trades and FA’s,once they got Hosmer the Clock started ticking,anything is a possibility now,sorry hate to break it to ya.
imindless
Fake in the sense that a 4th place team in the west is trading farm pieces when they are no where near competing. However I really dont mind pads aquiring kluber will make the farm weaker and keep them in the cellars longer!
lowtalker1
I don’t think you can comprehend how deep the farm is. Preller is different then any other padres gm. He wasn’t signing piece for quantity. He was signing for quality. They are all high ceiling guys stacked in their top 100. The question remains will things gel or not
davidcoonce74
“aging.” We are all aging. I just aged ten seconds typing this.
TripleA
Exactly. Like everyone else, he will be a Yankee.
Gleyborday
3 team trade perhaps kluber to Yankees Andy to Padres prospect to Indians??
billneftleberg
padres dont need Kluber, Margot and Renfroe are average players who dont move the needle at all so there is nothing there at all.
padres would love to have Andujar but I wouldnt even consider trading Andujar for Kluber.. since they saw Kluber crumble twice against them in the ALDS in 2017
so all in all theres nothing to see here because the padres only need Kluber if they can trade him
RedRooster
No point in any team trading for Kluber just to trade him for something else
nowheretogobutup
Everyone talks like Andujar is the second Frank or Brooks Robinson this guy needs two gloves at 3B, Padres don’t need a 3B who can’t move laterally to make a play, AJ don’t make this trade he’s not worth our top prospects, maybe a few AA guys at best
JKB 2
Of course the Padres can trade Kluber but being able to trade Kluber is no reason to trade for him!!
driftcat28 2
Can’t say one person has compared Andujar to any legend. He is what he is, He’s a controllable, young, good asset to have that most teams would be interested in acquiring.
sufferforsnakes
No, he won’t.
BrewCrew1302
“EVeRyoNE iS GoNNa bE a YaNKeE”
Four4fore
All players should be Yankees. Yankees FO then keep who they want and then distribute the remaining players to the rest of the league who they see fit for them to have.
xabial
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Four4fore
‘SARCASM’
driftcat28 2
I wish but not gonna happen. Cash won’t pay the price required and I can’t blame him
Padres2019ha
Hedges, Renfroe, Stammen and Michel Baez,#57 ranked prospect for Klubot. Who says no?
Padres2019ha
Could aslo flip him for Andujar and Gray?
BrewCrew1302
Kluber for a terrible starting pitcher and the worst defensive player on the planet? yeah…
Adam6710
lol I love how people de-value Andujar just because he was bad defensively in his rookie season, and Gray because he couldn’t hack it in Yankee Stadium.
Hilarious, but hey, you do you.
(That said, i’m not sure Andujar/Gray is the enough of a package for Kluber).
billneftleberg
yankees wouldnt do andujar straight up for Kluber, they have already seen how Kluber crumbles against them in the playoffs
driftcat28 2
They devalue him so much for his defense because he’s a Yankee. Any other team and his defensive struggles wouldn’t be much of an issue
RedRooster
No, they devalue him for his defense because his defense is bad. Very bad.
Gleyborday
I’d be in and I think gray is 3 era fuy in national league and Andy special hitter maybe stamman or Yates and Yankees toss in low level minor leaguer??
RedRooster
Gray is a year out from free agent and will be making ~$9m this upcoming season. He doesn’t move the needle. Andujar is a DH. Since the Padres play in the NL that doesn’t work for them.
Adam6710
@rr
I agree on Gray, but Andujar is far from a DH. He may have been bad this season, but there’s room for improvement as he’s just 23.
And despite this, it’s known that the Padres want him.
hojostache
Uhm…they’ll need more than that. Gray isn’t a top end guy and Andujar is slotted for DH, as he graded out as literally the worst fielding 3B in the majors last year.
RedRooster
Next joke
redsfan48
Seems fairly reasonable. Pads probably say no though
Gleyborday
Love reds moves so far pitching look much stronger outfield too
seth3120
Long way to go for a team that was terrible last year. Maybe they make some noise this year then what? They have no team control.
nmc420theambassador
everyone. klubot about to make shohei ohtani look like rusney castillo
for kluber tho, i’d still say no just because i wouldn’t want to give CLE a catcher after we already nabbed their best prospect. they have to sleep in the bed they made for themselves on that one. i’m also a fan of renfroe. swap coredero or reyes and add naylor instead.
SDHotDawg
I could live with that. Maybe Margot instead of Reyes? Of course, Reyes is a tailor-mde DH, so …
blackleather
Not a horrible package but you’d have to add another prospect or big leaguer…and they need to be REAL and productive. I propose this as a Padres fan (and yes, it’s going to hurt)…if Padre fans think that a 20 game winner like Kluber can be had for a pack of peanuts, I say think again.
Reyes (potential DH in the AL), Wingenter, Hedges (GG-caliber defense), Adrian Morejon and Lucchesi.
nowheretogobutup
Maybe the first three players but not the last two no way
Matt Galvin
Indians because want Mejia back.
hockeyjohn
How about Hunter Renfroe, Kirby Yates, Luis Urias, and Logan Allen for Kluber. This would get the Indians some help in the outfield and bullpen and two prospects that can possibly help in 2019, as well as beyond.
Michael Chaney
I suggested an offer of Renfroe/Urias/Allen/another player in a different comment on this thread, and Yates could fit the bill. I think that’s a decent offer that balances the present and the future.
RedRooster
Urias isn’t available. If he is traded who is the Padres 2B?
hockeyjohn
You have to give something to get something. There are plenty of second baseman on the free agent market. Give Michael and me a counter offer Redrooster. That is how trades are made.
Swinging Friars
Reyes, Hedges, and Nix
hockeyjohn
A big no, Swinging Friars. Not even close. Cleveland hangs up the phone.
jbigz12
That kind of offer probably ends negotiations.
Swinging Friars
lmao, so you don’t recognize any of these names?
Everyone in baseball knows you aren’t getting Tatis or Gore. Get over it
Reyes would be huge for the Indians in the 5 hole. Hedges is a young stud. And Nix is ready for his shot at the bigs, also comes with a good deal of hype
3 guys who could play this year and contribute…still not enough? good luck
Swinging Friars
This is really what it’s going to come down to. Sub out any outfielder for Reyes and any catching prospect for Hedges.. But that’s as good as its going to get if you’re looking to deal with the Padres
We all over value our own prospects. I actually think our top 7 should be untouchable.. Also ~ I’m not sure what other team the Indians can find to over pay right now and give up more than that
hockeyjohn
Then you don’t get Kluber, Swinging Friars. You are overvaluing Hedges and Reyes. Reyes is likely a DH waiting to happen and a DH does not help the Indians. Hedges batted .231. Cleveland has a catching prospect, Eric Haase, that is good defensively and has some HR pop in his bat so we don’t need Hedges, According to MLB.com Nix has the potential to be a number 3 starter, Therefore, you want 2 time Cy Young winner for 3 years for a DH, an average at best catcher, and a prospect that only rates 14th in your system, I am sorry. If that is the best offer Cleveland gets, they will keep Kluber and still be way better than the Padres, They can sign an outfielder and bullpen piece and keep Kluber.
RedRooster
Padres aren’t going to trade for Kluber if it means opening up another hole. They have other great prospects besides Tatis and Urias.
RedRooster
Adding on, if the Padres go the free agency route it makes more sense to spend money on a pitcher and keep Urias. No free agent bat is going to sign with the Padres unless they overpay.
Swinging Friars
Why mention the Padres if all of their guys are crap and unworthy??
You are under valuing these guys more than we are over valuing. If you want help at multiple positions the guys are going to be underwhelming. Kluber is a stud to be sure. It’s more a question of what you want…quantity or quality? You are not going to get 3 guys all as valuable as Kluber. It will be the sum of the 3 totalling Kluber’s value
Swinging Friars
Or you can break it down in real terms.. 2 MLB players who can play in positions of stated need, that are also young and controllable. And a real prospect that is ready for a shot.
Reality doesn’t have to be this big scary monster
The Indians say they want multiple players in return, OF, C, P.
All of these guys are already good enough to start right now and have potential to be more. Plus they play in the positions that the Indians have said they are looking for.
Plus, the Indians are trying to catch lightning in a bottle here. You have 3 chances with this proposal. All of them low risk high reward. Who knows, maybe Nix is the next Kluber??
hockeyjohn
You talk about reality. Reyes, Hedges, and Reyes are average at best. Your offer does not even come close to reality. Yes, Cleveland needs outfielders, but should be able to get better outfielders than Reyes and Renfroe in a Kluber trade. I think the minimum offer that might make sense for Cleveland is Renfroe, Yates, Logan Allen, and another top 100 prospect. I would rather see Cleveland sign Avisail Garcia or Nick Markakis and a bullpen piece and keep Kluber than to even consider your unreasonable offer, You need more than lightning in a bottle when trading a 2 time Cy Young winner.
Swinging Friars
This thread has been pretty clear about Any OF and Any P… So I’m not sure how you got triggered by my suggestion of Reyes (who is arguably our best OF). But yeah have fun with that. Good night dude
Swinging Friars
Try asking for 1 for 1 trade if you want more than a couple guys with potential (prospects). All of these offers come from the information provided in the article. No one came at you. No one said the Padres get to trade ra pe you. Just people throwing ideas around trying to further the conversation
I’m sorry your mad bro
hockeyjohn
Swinging Friars, Dude you may need to learn to read. If you read Steve Adams post above you would have read this sentence, “Any of centerfielder Manuel Margot, right fielder Hunter Renfroe, or catcher Austin Hedges could potentially be involved in a Kluber swap, per Morosi, ALTHOUGH IT IS DIFFICULT TO SEE HOW ANY OF THAT TRIO WOULD HEADLINE A PACKAGE FOR A PITCHER AS ACCOMPLISHED AS KLUBER.” Dude, top prospects would have to be in any deal for Kluber. Good night to you. Mom says it is past your bedtime.
Swinging Friars
2 out of 3 of those guys were offered along with a top AAA arm but you scoffed at it. Then I came in and changed out Renfroe for Reyes, an arguably better OF and you lost your sh it again. Not sure how else to explain this to you
Calm yourself dude, you look like an idiot
hockeyjohn
Nix pitched ONE game in AAA. Logan Allen is an example of a top AAA arm. Renfroe or Reyes would not be the main piece in a trade for Kluber. Top Prospects would have to be involved.
You don’t think the Dodgers, Reds, Brewers and Braves could ALL beat Reyes, Hedges and Nix as an offer for Kluber. Again Cleveland does not have to trade Kluber unless they get a deal that meets their needs.
Look in a mirror Dude, and you’ll see the idiot to use your words.
big evil
The deal sounds good, it’s positions the Indians would like. Stamen helps with the bullpen and Baez brings some depth for the Indians prospect pool
Yankeepatriot
Padres: hey we are interested in _____
Other team: ok for one of the top players in the league we want one or two of your best prospects
Padres: no !!!!! We won’t give up quality to get quality
Other team: hangs up
The padres in a nut shell
Padres2019ha
Cool story Hansel
Bald Vinny
Yankees: hey we are interested in _____
Other team: ok for one of the top players in the league we want one or two of your best prospects
Yankees: no !!!!! We have a real deep farm. Our #15 prospect would be #2 in yours. Take him and be happy.
Other team: hangs up
The Yankees in a nut shell
Yankeepatriot
At least the Yankees make moves to improve their team and build on their core. Cashman did a rebuild In 4 or so years while the padres have been in rebuild since forever
nowheretogobutup
Hey if the Padres spent $200M a year on ave. we would have least at shown some WS rings over the last ten yrs. What about the Yanks, NOTHING…Crickets..
Yankeepatriot
They barely spent anything on the young core they built
Yankeepatriot
At least the Yankees make moves to improve their team and build on their core. Cashman did a rebuild In 4 or so years while the padres have been in rebuild since forever. Oh and the Yankees have traded top prospects (Sheffield) so the have given up quality to get quality
RedRooster
Padres have only been rebuilding for 3 years you idiot!
Yankeepatriot
What have they done since 1998 ?????? NOTHING!!!
RedRooster
Well of course now I agree with you. But that’s not what you said. You said they have been rebuilding since forever. How were they rebuilding in 2015 when they traded for Upton, Kemp and Myers and signed James Shields?
Adam6710
It’s not quite fair to say they did NOTHING. They did with the NL west in 2005-2006. They did however, have a couple of last place finishes, and finished below five hundred FIFTEEN TIMES since 1998.
It’s times like this when I laugh at fans mocking the Yankees for “not winning a WS since 2009.”
Ryan W
With NY’s pockets a rebuild should last a year at the most.
Wonder how Cashman would have done in SD.
Yankeepatriot
I’m speaking in general on what they have done over the last 3 decades and no matter what they haven’t gotten over the hump. 2015 was a bad idea from the start imo). Now that being said it would be great for them to be successful and to do that I think they shouldn’t trade for kluber
The d backs are ran by morons. The giants absolutely stink and the Rockies window is almost closed so now is the time
RedRooster
But they haven’t been rebuilding forever. When you do what they did in 2015, you are back to square one. The rebuild started with the trades of Joaquin Benoit and Craig Kimbrel.
Diamondbacks FO is very smart. Wish the Padres had gone with Hazen over Preller.
Yankeepatriot
The d backs are horrible in trades
RedRooster
What horrible trades has their current regime made? And you better not say Shelby Miller…
jbigz12
Probably jean segura and Mitch Haniger for Taijuan Walker and Ketel Marte. That takes some hindsight to grade that one out though.
Yankeepatriot
Di di and sherzer among others and the epic fail that was the miller trade
jbigz12
I’d agree you’re back to square one but not completely when you only attempt to win for one season and sell off nearly all the assets you acquire for more prospects.
RedRooster
@Yankeepatriot I said their current regime you moron!
RedRooster
@jbigz12 You can’t win ’em all. As you said that one mainly looks bad in hindsight. I’d still take Mike Hazen over most of the other GM’s in the game.
Yankeepatriot
It doesn’t matter what regime they have had, it’s been the same !!!!! Unless these guys get called up and produce (which would be great for the fan base) my point still stands
RedRooster
Absolutely the regime matters! You said the D’Backs are horrible at trades. But the current regime isn’t responsible for what the two regimes before it did.
Adam6710
Bald Vinny forgets the Yankees just traded their top prospect this offseason, lol.
butch779988
Yankees farm isn’t that deep anymore…
Yankeepatriot
It’s not that deep at the moment because of recent callups that have helped build their terrific young core they have along with a trade or two. It happens to all farms. They go up and down. Happened to Boston too
Injediwetrust
It more like why would the Padre trade pieces like Tatis, Paddack, Urias and Allen for three years or less of (Thor, JTR, Bauer, Kluber, Stroman) that in a best case scenario would have maybe one run at a 2nd WC spot. Those pieces very well could solve needs for the Padres in 2019 and would have at least 6 yrs of control.
The math doesnt work.
BrewCrew1302
Brewers!!!!
E munchy
What is the main reason that Cleveland wants to trade Kluber? Reload, rebuild what?
BrewCrew1302
they keep tossing around words like “reloading” and “retooling” so in other words, a rebuild, just dont want the fans to hear that. Funny thing is, even a rebuilding Indians team has a better shot of winning that division than other teams.
Michael Chaney
Retooling is different from rebuilding. They’re just trying to take an area of strength and address other holes on the roster; I don’t see how people think they’re rebuilding.
Yankeepatriot
Trading him would do multiple things. Reload the farm, shed salary and not effect their chances of wining the central division. Plus he’s 33 so his decline can be soon. Of course decline can be unpredictable but I’m guessing they would rather flip him a year too early rather than a year too late
dkcsmc1991
Nailed it. Well done.
RedRooster
The Indians don’t care about winning the central. They care about winning a title. Trading Kluber will hurt them in that endeavor.
Yankeepatriot
I think it’s mainly cashing on kluber before decline starts. If he declines not only will his value tank but the Indians chances for a World Series would be hit too
ericl
I think it is more cashing in on Kluber before he hits free agency than it is being worried about a decline. The Indians likely aren’t going to re-sign him. So, they’re looking at getting something for him when his value his still high instead of losing him for nothing
RedRooster
He can’t be a free agent for 3 more years! And a championship is worth more than any prospect.
Cashford64
The Indians won’t win a championship if they don’t significantly improve their lineup and bullpen. They will have a strong rotation even without Kluber, and he can bring in assets that will help the team in other areas, all while reducing payroll. It’s really what they need to do.
inkstainedscribe
“The Indians have won three straight division championships and made a World Series appearance along the way, but they’ve seen their payroll inflate to levels that are beyond ownership’s comfort threshold along the way. ”
That’s it. The market and the owners can’t keep the roster together for the money it’ll require. Move valuable assets now for less-costly ones.
sufferforsnakes
They want to trade him because they can, and it will allow a restocking of their upper minors teams (much needed) while remaining competitive on the major league level. Tristan McKenzie is not far away from the bigs, probably sometime this coming season, so Kluber would be replaced by him.
sportsnut969
not believing this at all there is no studd there Renfroe struggles to hit over 225 while Hedges is a constant under 220 hitter.
Margot is just ok IMO not seeing the stud contributer here for the Indians would rather have Verdugo / Ruiz plus ( Dodgers ) or Winkler / plus ( (Reds )
Than anyone of the Padres even if one of Gore or Tatis were involved at best the other players they have to offer are underwhelming at best. Jmo
Samuel
Renfroe has the worst arm of any MLB OF I saw play in 2018.
The arm is not only weak, it is terribly inaccurate. He throws like a 10 year-old girl….no knock on girls……those I see on our local college girls team throw far better from the OF.
Don’t see how a ML team puts a guy like that in RF instead of LF. Guys must be jogging from 1B to 3B on routine singles to RF. And on any balls to RF I see the Padres cut off men literally sprint 50-75 feet out to RF. In standard baseball theory, RF is supposed to be where a team plays their strongest /most accurate armed OF……..but Mr. Preller is simply a misunderstood genius.
SDHotDawg
You’re seriously calling Renfroe’s arm weak? I don’t think you’ve actually seen him play.
Samuel
I think something got messed up.
Here was my first sentence:
“Renfroe has the worst arm of any MLB OF I SAW PLAY IN 2018.”
lol
May I add that even the San Diego announcers pointed it out.
SDHotDawg
That’s why they constantly rave about his arm.
jbigz12
You’ve certainly never seen renfroe play if you think his arm is his problem. Going to go ahead and disregard anything you said after that
Wolverines2
Samuel, you have no clue about Hunter Renfroe. Thinking you are either trolling or thinking of the wrong guy. He has a cannon.
Samuel
A cannon?
lol
Even posters on here have referred to him as “noodle arm”.
Nevertheless, good luck trading him and Margot. Most teams already have OF’s that good.
Syndergaarden Cop
Padres are garbage and have a ways to go, so unless the trade comes with an extension, it makes no sense.
Yankeepatriot
Extending a 33 year old kluber who has 3 years of control left (correct me if I’m wrong) is a bad idea
Syndergaarden Cop
So the Padres think they will contend in the next 3 seasons? 2019 is out of the question. 2020 seems unlikely, 2021 who knows.
nowheretogobutup
You’re showing your lack of baseball knowledge Snickerguard you talk like someone we used to call monkey boy, not real bright
Yankeepatriot
What did he say that was wrong ? It’s not like the padres prospects have come up and started producing already ? Prospects in general can be unpredictable for the most part
Syndergaarden Cop
lol what angry garbage you are
Syndergaarden Cop
what came first, the loser, or nowheretogobutup?
Injediwetrust
Only Margot (trade), Maton, Wingenter, Lucchesi, and Lauer are Preller draft picks and none of them were highly touted outside of Margot. The prospects that have been brought up the last 3 years were all the left overs of Byrnes/Hoyer guys (Cordero, Reyes, Hedges, Spangenberg, Urias, Renfroe, Erlin). 2019 is the first shot they have to see the first group of the top 100 names put together by AJ et al.
Yes prospect are a gamble but so is trading young controlable pieces before they have really had a shot to contribute to making the Padres better..
SDHotDawg
Renfroe was our top prospect for two straight years.
Michael Chaney
I think it would be tougher for the Padres to get Kluber without including one of their top two guys, but their system is deep enough that a deal could theoretically get done anyway. I’m not a huge fan of Renfroe, but he’s a 2 WAR outfielder with a little more upside and the Indians need all the help they can get there.
In that case, Renfroe and Urias would be a good start, with a close to the majors pitcher like Logan Allen and another decent piece rounding out a deal.
I’m still shooting for the moon as an Indians fan, but I think that’s an offer that’s reasonable for both sides to at least consider.
Yankeepatriot
The pads would absolutely have to give up tatis or gore in a kluber trade imo
Michael Chaney
I personally agree, and I think that either San Diego is being unrealistic or Preller is just driving a hard bargain. But I don’t think it’s necessarily a deal breaker either, just because of how deep their system is otherwise.
No one in their system outside of Gore or Tatis really stacks up with Tucker, Senzel, or some of the other elite prospects they could potentially get in a deal, but Urias isn’t too far off and there could be a few other legitimate pieces in addition.
Yankeepatriot
If kluber has one year of control left it would be a different story but he has 3 years of control at below market value salary wise so without gore or tatis coming back the trade would be a waste for the Indians
sufferforsnakes
MC, can you imagine a lefty like Gore in the Tribe rotation?
jbigz12
Gore won’t be ML ready for 3 seasons at minimum. I don’t see how a contending Cleveland team would require he be in the trade considering the prospects the padres have. 3 years from now the Indians won’t have Bauer or Kluber and who knows how effective Carrasco would be. Hopefully they’re thinking about the immediate future as well. Personally, I’d want Paddack more if I were Cleveland. He could potentially be in your bullpen in October like burnes for Milwaukee
RedRooster
Sure hope he can cuz his imagination is the only place it will ever happen.
Michael Chaney
@sufferfortribe I love Gore a ton, but he’s too far away. In a package, I’d rather have Tatis, but that’s nothing against Gore.
@jbigz12 I really like Paddack. I think your assessment about him is dead on, although I think Allen is more realistic.
RedRooster
Padres can’t trade Tatis. If he is gone who plays shortstop?
nowheretogobutup
Gore will be ML ready in 2020 no doubt, and he will make Kluber at that time expendable but not for Gore.
nowheretogobutup
Tatis is rated No. 2 in all of baseball it would take two Klubers at a min.
jbigz12
How will Gore be ready in 2020? Buddy, come on. He was in rookie ball to start this year for Christ sake.
Yankeepatriot
Kluber is a multi time Cy Young award winner who is underpaid so I have to disagree. Tatis hasn’t proven anything yet (although I like this kid a lot)
Injediwetrust
@MC
Listen to what you are saying.. A team devoid of any better than average player to move a trade needle would trade one or more of the three closest pieces they have to fixing this on the cusp of being on their roster for 5 plus years for an asset that at best gets them one shot at a one game WC spot.
Cmon man.. flip the perspective and you wouldn’t support your team doing that, It contending fan bases hoping their perceived image of Preller is accurate enough for them to swindle valuable assets away from a struggling team..
SDHotDawg
The reality is, who plays SS until Tatis proves he can do it at the ML level? We still need a SS AND a 3B for 2019. And pitching.
Asof now, we’re worse than last year, and that was pretty bad.
RedRooster
Gore probably sometime in 2021. I expect him to take off this year tho. His spot on most prospect ranking services appears to have held steady despite 2018 being largely a lost season for him.
Ryan W
There are 3 other guys who would become the Indians’ #1 prospect.
sufferforsnakes
Nah, Tristin McKenzie would remain #1.
Ryan W
Fernando Tatis Jr, Gore, Mejia, Urias, and Chris Paddack all thank higher.than McKenzie
1, 2, 3, 4, 5
billneftleberg
agreed Margot and renfroe are average Major league players, but I dont think the padres really want Kluber, I think they think they can flip him for a third baseman
RedRooster
THERE’S NO POINT IN TRADING FOR KLUBER JUST TO TRADE HIM FOR SOMEONE ELSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Neil5611
Trade makes little sense for SD just like the Hosmer signing
Yankeepatriot
If any contender needs kluber it’s the brewers. At this rate if they don’t greatly upgrade their rotation their bullpen will be burned out.
bitterpadresfan
Sounds like a lose-lose trade. The Indians lose an elite starter while they are in their window to compete and the Padres lose prospects and pay 18 million a year for a starter that will be 34 or 35 when they are ready to make a run.
Syndergaarden Cop
username checks out, but I agree with you for the padres side, at least
ScottRolen
Preller needs to stop. The Padres have the talent but it’s going to be about two years before they’re ready. Trading prospects is death for the Padres.
hotblack desiato
all three combined of margot, renfroe and hedges aren’t worth it. maybe if they get mejia back with an outfielder and a decent pitching prospect
jbigz12
Doubt they want Mejia back. Padres have a million prospects they could deal. Cleveland should really be looking at ML pieces or prospects who are right there. As far as that goes I’d like other organizations for a Kluber trade. Padres certainly have prospects but as far as those who are ready Mejia, Urias, and Tatis I don’t think any of them really fit Cleveland’s needs and Tatis isn’t available anyway. Mejia kind of does but I don’t see a trade back.
RedRooster
Why wouldn’t they want Mejia back? Who even is their catcher right now?
jbigz12
They may. You usually don’t see prospects going one way and coming back the other. They had McKenzie to deal for hand last year and ruled Mejia the one they let go. I have to imagine they could’ve centered the deal around either.
Michael Chaney
They seem pretty committed to Roberto Perez and/or Eric Haase, for better or worse
RedRooster
And how confident are we that either of those guys is better than Francisco Mejia?
outinleftfield
Kluber is a Padres product.
Michael Chaney
Long term, I think it’s fair to debate if Mejia even sticks as a catcher. Either way, the debate shouldn’t be about if he’s better than their current catchers; it should be about getting the best possible return.
sufferforsnakes
No, Kluber was a Padres draft pick. He’s a product of the Tribe system of developing successful pitchers. Maybe one day San Diego will figure out how to do it?
RedRooster
Jake Peavy, Joey Lucchesi, Brad Hand, Kirby Yates, Chris Young, Mat Latos, Heath Bell and Huston Street say hi.
jbigz12
That’s a bunch of relievers and only peavy and Latos were anywhere near a TOR starter. Lucchesi after one season? Cmon. We’ll see how they do with this crop of arms. But thy certainly don’t have a great history of guys.
RedRooster
He said “developing successful pitchers” not “developing successful starters.” And he never said “TOR.” He said “successful” which every pitcher I mentioned was. Padres will always be able to develop pitchers as long as they have Darren Balsley.
Injediwetrust
Retreads,
Ian Kennedy, Tyson Ross, Trevor Cahill, Drew Pomeranz, Jesse Hahn,
Prospects,
Dinelson Lamet, Chris Paddack, Espinoza was going well until TJ, Luis Patino, Osvaldo Hernandez. This current group developed Lauer and Lucchesi to be the first arms up from the 16 draft and yeah theyre not a finished product but that’s something Josh Byrnes, Jed Hoyer, Sandy Alderson, Kevin Towers never did..
Looks it had alot more to do with who they were drafting than how they developed them. I get it, even this current group will be criticized until they show a baby and not just labor pains.. Logan Allen, Chris Paddack and Luis Patino are those babies, you dont trade them away for 3 yrs of anyone when they cant even get to .500..
Clearly franchises like the farm they have cause they are pushing the same agendas. AJ has been consistent 2016 and beyond. Noone is untouchable. They know the value of each of their players and will not move on deals unless they are getting more value than they give.
RedRooster
Paddack has been pretty great since he came back from TJS
SDHotDawg
rr – Only three of those pitchers you named came up through the Padres system, and one of them is essentially still a rookie. When we Padre fans have to lie to make our case, it’s not good for anybody. Leave the bad ethics to Oreller.
The truth says hi.
SDHotDawg
— “Preller”
RedRooster
sufferfortribe was using Kluber to make his case, who was not originally drafted by the Indians. So for this argument, if the pitcher wasn’t drafted by the Padres but spent the majority of his time as a prospect in their system (Paddack) or didn’t find success in the Majors until coming over to San Diego (Hand) it counts.
hotblack desiato
it isn’t a great idea to get a guy back that you shipped out (like yankee fans saying give frazier back….no thanks), but he’s probably the highest prospect they’d give up. tatis and gore are too good in their minds, but there really isn’t anything of high quality that is a fit for the indians. getting 4 decent players isn’t something we need at this point
that’s basically what it comes down to, there isn’t a good fit for the teams to make this trade happen
jbigz12
There’s still paddack and urias. Urias isn’t a great fit but if you want to get keep Jose Ramirez at 3rd long term he gives you a replacement for Kipnis. Paddack could also slot into your pen at the back end of this year like Corbin burnes did in Milwaukee and deepen your pen. If you could get hunter Renfroe too that’d help a lot of needs and give you plenty of control over young talent. The bigger question for me is why the padres would want this right now.
ChazB322
I think a Reds trade of Tucker Barnhart, Scott Schebler, Shed Long, and Tony Santillian makes a lot of sense for both sides. Maybe swap out the prospects for Amir Garrett or Michael Lorenzen. Indians get help at outfield, catch, and bullpen.
Emerson83
I agree that the Reds should go for it but i don’t think that package gets it done.
Gleyborday
Agree they want winker for one
jbigz12
Cleveland wants more than winker to get that done. Winker can hit but he has a noodle arm and no range. He’s not headlining a Kluber package.
rdsfan05
I think you’re on the right track with Barnhart and schebler bc the reds are looking for catching it seems like but I don’t know if we get out of it this without one of the reds top prospects
hiflew
Why would the Reds trade away their starting catcher without a replacement? Barnhart makes sense in a Realmuto trade, but not a Kluber one.
I think they could line up with a deal for Tony Santillan, Tyler Stephenson, Mike Siani, and Matt Kemp for Kluber and Jason Kipnis.
jbigz12
That’s a horrendous deal for Cleveland. Your cancelling out the money with Kemp and I’d probably prefer kipnis to him anyway. And why would they trade Barnhart in a Kluber package? Well, there’s more tucker barnhart’s than Corey kluber’s.
Michael Chaney
That’s not nearly enough. Any of those guys would be decent secondary pieces, but you couldn’t build a deal around them. Any deal with the Reds has to start with Senzel or Trammel, and possibly include Winker too.
sdfriarfan
Imagine if the Padres traded for Kluber and Stroman? Would that put them in contention? Would any prospects be off the table in that scenario?
Yankeepatriot
Getting both would burn a lot of their farm system. One of gore or tatis would be gone as well I would think
sdfriarfan
uh, their system is pretty deep. Tatis and Gore are at the top but there are a lot of young players in the system.
Yankeepatriot
You won’t get kluber without tatis or gore
RedRooster
Padres have other great prospects you know
outinleftfield
Neither Tatis nor Gore are available in trade according to everything that has been said. If they were necessary to get Kluber, there would be no conversations now.
Gleyborday
For kluber maybe for stroman hell know…..
Yankeepatriot
True but besides last year stroman has been good and he’s cheap with good team control. The jays probably won’t sell low on him anyway
outinleftfield
It seems to me that a bigger problem for the Padres right now is 3B. Since we have read several writers on this site say that the Padres brass has ruled out having Myers at 3B, who is going to start at 3B? Garcia??
Cashford64
Contention? No way. You need to score runs to win games, and by extension win championships, and the Padres have not been able to do that for decades.
waylonmercy
I don’t believe Cleveland would trade Kluber to San Diego without receiving Tatis, Gore and two additional prospects.
rdsfan05
Haha you’re nuts if they receive tatis it’s going to be 3rd tier prospects after that but tatis may be the most untouchable prospect in baseball not named vlad jr
Gleyborday
They make that trade today!!
RedRooster
*click*
nowheretogobutup
Wow you really know baseball, dream on wayonmercy. Those Pads would bring in two Klubers or better
coldbeer
A rumor is just a rumor…but COME ON. Why is Morosi throwing out MLB ready guys who won’t cut it in a trade (Hedges, Renfroe) and then saying Padres won’t give up top prospects either to get the deal done?? So if the Pads don’t have or wont give up what it takes to get Kluber then how on earth is there even smoke here let alone fire???!!! Wait…there’s not!!! It’s clickbait!!!
Michael Chaney
I saw someone suggesting on Twitter that the Indians could just be using the Padres for leverage, and that at least seems possible. Otherwise it doesn’t make a ton of sense.
sdpadsfan11
It would be a mistake if the Padres mortgaged the future in order to gain a few more wins in the next couple rebuilding seasons. Why are the Padres so desperate to acquire an ace? They should look to trade for a young controllable pitcher that would counter the soft throwing lefties that are going to be in the rotation next season like Bundy or Ureña.
Gleyborday
I agree kluber does nothing for the Padres they probably 2 yrs away with tatis
bleacherbum
Bundy is the guy I would go for if I was Preller. A lot more realistic in terms of what he would have to give up.
Then I’d look at Gray, Duffy or Leake as fallback options.
For now.
Via free agency: Pomeranz is still out there and makes a lot of sense in a potential reunion with Balsley. Maybe 2 years with an option for a 3rd if they can keep it below what Lance Lynn got. 2 year 20 million range?
braves25
I still think the Braves need/should be in on Kluber! I know it will take a kings ransom to get him, but if there is ANY way possible to acquire him without giving up Riley they should pull the trigger, IMO.
Riley wouldn’t necessarily be a deal breaker obviously, I just don’t want to see him go.
Gleyborday
Makes much more sense they are close use Freddy Freeman to win now
Jon429
Kluber is the ONLY player I would give a king’s ransom for this offseason. Pretty much any Brave except Acuna or Freeman would be on the table for me.
braves25
I would probably give up a lot for Haniger too…those are the only 2 though. Haniger and Kluber. I don’t want to gut the farm landing 1 or both of them would be great!
RedRooster
They should trade Ryan Ludwick for him!
Soldierofgod619
This guy would Anchor the rotation for the next 3 years while our pitching prospects mature. Padres expected to compete for a Wild Card 2020,2021 and contend moving forward and Kluber with 3 years of control would be the perfect Ace. Padres have plenty of young corner outfield making the mlb minimum but if indians need a catcher and outfield a guy like Hunter Renfroe being the more known name and a catcher like Austin Hedges could offset some of the prospect cost so Hedges,Renfroe,Adrian Morejon, Michel Baez and a guy like Reggie Lawson or Dylan coleman as the as a 5th piece going to the Indians.Dodgers fans salty right now because they also want Kluber.
stansfield123
Yeah, okay. The Padres want Kluber, but they don’t want to give up their best prospects.
Bubba 5
The article worked. They throw the Padres n on every player as this is what this website does. Slow day hey let’s throw something in about the Padres and any player.
josechelin
Will the Indians consider a package of #4 prospect Jonathan India, Tyler Mahle and Scott Schebler. We could sweeten the pot and throw in Amir Garrett for Kluber.
phenomenalajs
Would everyone be shocked if Kluber and Realmuto are not traded this off-season? After a while, it just seems like everyone is just blowing smoke.
Gleyborday
Nope… although I think realmutto will be moved
phenomenalajs
Who knows? Maybe they keep him and the Victor Victor Victor Victor Mesa brothers turn out to be this coming year’s Albies and Acuña. As a Mets’ fan, that’s scary, but the younger Mesa is probably too young to make the jump.
tackett44
It amazes me AJ Preller still is the GM. Has did nothing, but make bad trades and signings. The only exception is the Brad Hand trade. No way they should be trading prospects for veterans … No matter how good the veterans are.
RedRooster
Turning Yonder Alonso into Anderson Espinoza? Turning 2 months of Fernando Rodney into Chris Paddack. Turning two months of Andrew Cashner into Josh Naylor?
Gleyborday
Good calls
Central Valley
I guess I can pencil in the San Francisco Giants to finish last in the NL West in 2019. What a mess Mr. Zaidi has in that team.
Gleyborday
Trade madbum way to risky to wait although unless injured someone bite but I’d do it now
sdfriarfan
This article states that the Padres are not considered favorites in any way in this trade talk. I’d say the Dodgers are much likelier to by the front runner here.
fox471 Dave
Agree!
yanks02026
The report the other day stated the Padres really liked Miguel Andujar.. Could their thinking be to get Kluber and then flip him to the yankees for Andujar and some mid level prospects.
The padres will be a good team but they’re still couple years from really being good. So i don’t think Kluber will really help their cause much.
billneftleberg
thats it exactly, but the yankees wouldnt trade Andujar for Kluber when Cleveland asked
driftcat28 2
Cleveland wanted more than just Andujar
outinleftfield
Is there anyone the Padres are not rumored to be in on? Their farm system is good enough to get anyone, but is stripping the farm system what that franchise wants to do?
Bringbacktheblue
For the love of God!! Just trade for Alex Cobb.
outinleftfield
The O’s want to trade him and would even take on part of his contract if it means getting back more than a marginal prospect or two. How about Jacob Nix and Reggie Lawson and the O’s eat $15 million of the $43 million left on Cobb’s contract?
jbigz12
Again, if you eat 15 million of the 43 owed to Cobb than his deal is market Value. Lance lynn received a 3/30. It’d be hard to find any meaningful numbers that tell you Cobb is better. Both missed ST and got off to poor starts and both pitched in the AL. No reason to think Lynn’s deal isn’t an almost perfect comp. at 3/28 that doesn’t leave a lot of room for a decent prospect. We need Cobb to pitch well again and flip him in July when the money owed is lower and then eat a few dollars. I don’t see any decent return until maybe July.
Bringbacktheblue
I would do that in a heartbeat.
RedRooster
*click*
bleacherbum
Reggie Lawson is too valuable for a throw-away contract dump.
Soldierofgod619
As a Padres fan if a trade for Kluber happens the Yankees wont be in for a 3 way trade. Kluber is way more valuable than 2.2war Andujar.
billneftleberg
youre wrong Soldierofgod619. cleveland already asked for andujar and the Yankees wouldnt trade him. the only trade the yankees were willing to move andujar was Syndergaard
outinleftfield
Why lie? Its all over the news that the Yankees are actively shopping Andujar. We all know he is on the block and that the Yankees know that he is nothing more than a DH because he is entirely unable to play defense. If it was not for Stanton, Andujar would be the DH now.
billneftleberg
no there isnt, there was speculation,youre the one who is lying.the only verified report was the syndergaard-realmuto-andujar deal, Cashman has said he will not trade andujar for anything less than an equally young controllable top line pitcher
show me where cashman said hes shopping andular.you cant so your lying
outinleftfield
You know they did and that is why you are so defensive. You have never said a single thing that makes sense, but somehow think you are a smart baseball fan.
Here are 2 to get your started. Then Google it. And stop lying.
empirewritesback.com/2018/12/23/new-york-yankees-y…
nj.com/expo/sports/erry-2018/12/7bea28abdc385/mlb-…
outinleftfield
si.com/mlb/2018/12/17/mlb-rumors-yankees-phillies-…
outinleftfield
From this site:
A number of trade possibilities still seem to be swirling, though it’s tough to say at this point what likely will or will not get done. Yankees infielder Miguel Andujar “appears to be on the block, for the right price,” says Heyman
outinleftfield
Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic writes in his latest notes column (subscription required) that several execs throughout the league are of the belief that the Yankees “want” to trade Miguel Andujar.
theathletic.com/718689/2018/12/17/rosenthal-allure…
nowheretogobutup
Just read ML baseball trade rumors Andujar is available per Cashman, however he is highly over rated for a hit but can’t field player
billysbballz
The right price is a stud starter. Andujar is a major leaguer, only 23yo, with a special bat and great arm and even better work ethic to be one a better defender. All his defensive issues were related to his feet and where his feet were when throwing. He’s working hard and will become a solid defensive 3rd basemen. I truly hope the Yanks don’t deal him.
outinleftfield
Andujar is a DH. He will not be at 3B in 2019 if the Yankees sign Machado. Even if they don’t, he is not going to be at 3B long. No one who has ever been as bad as he was defensively last season, and there have only been two, was a 3B the following season.
billneftleberg
once again youre lying. the only deal that the Yankees would have traded Andujar in was Syndergaard tou are trying to twist the facts
both Heyman and Rosenthal confirmed that
The New York Yankees, Miami Marlins, and New York Mets may finalize a blockbuster three-team deal soon. Ken Rosenthal tweeted Noah Syndergaard could end up in pinstripes if the deal goes through.
If Andujar is included in the deal, which is likely, would the Yanks sign Manny Machado to fill in at third base? News also broke yesterday that the Bombers were not willing to offer $300 million for Machado
yanksgoyard.com/2018/12/11/yankees-potentially-noa…
butch779988
Andujar is totally overrated as an overall player. Good bat but horrible defender. The Yanks are trying to move him, and now they really don’t have a true top flight prospect that hasn’t graduated to the majors. Florial isn’t one. Kinda like Boston where they had graduated all their top prospects (Betts, Bogaerts, Benintendi, JBJ, Erod, Devers) and had little left on the rise.
billneftleberg
I think (Andujar) is a hell of a player,” Cashman told Joel Sherman of the New York Post. “We have said ‘no’ to him (in trade talks) not just this year but from Double-A on up. I have not included him any deals and that should say how I feel about him.”
Cashman added: “We have been challenged many times to move him or coerced to move him. He is here because of what we think of him. And I mean ‘we.’ His makeup is off the charts. His work ethic is off the charts. His energy is off the charts. And his physical ability is off the charts. He is a major contributor, which is what we thought he’d be.”
thescore.com/mlb/news/1570972
this is all the butthurt Padres and indian fans making things up thats all it is, the padres dont want kluber why would they
they both want andujar but Cashman has told both NO
Yankeepatriot
Beautiful post
outinleftfield
You put a link to a 6 month old article? LMFAO. I just put up 6 references to him wanting to trade Andujar this offseason. STOP lying.
billneftleberg
youtu.be/4UndqhsvFJM
theres one from last month
your still lying
billneftleberg
they are so butthurt that they cant get him
I dont believe any pares fan over cashman, they keep knocking him because they want him. same thing With indians fans.
neither team has a long term third baseman on their roster so its only natural theyd want Andujar but how often can cashman say no
they wouldnt trade him to get Gerrit Cole, they wouldnt trade him for Happ in July, and they wouldnt trade him for Kluber, so why would the padres , who have nothing think we’d trade Andujar to them
the Answer is the wouldnt
outinleftfield put up six linls based on haymans tweet which is total speculation but none are from cashman
if he had read what cashman said to Joel Sherman hed know Andujar is not Available
yanks02026
Florial is a top flight prospect.. But nice try..
Melchez
This makes no sense… The padres won’t be playoff contenders until Kluber is retired. Why would they waste their prospects getting him? But why would they sign Hosmer? Why would they trade for Wil Myers? The Padres brass have ADHD… they make moves just to make moves. They might over spend to get Kluber… very possible.
LyricalAssassin
Mariners need to be in this somehow or Dipoto isn’t earning that trade monicker
dematteo1982
Seems like the Padres are in on all the top flight starters on the trade market (Thor, Kluber) but don’t want to part with the necessary assets (Tatis,Gore) to acquire such talent. They should just stick to the rebuild process if that’s the case. Atlanta, Dodgers or a team like the Mets or Yankees should look to acquire Kluber. Yankees could offer a package around Andujar and Gray with a top prospect. Dodgers could use Vertigo and Urias. I have a feeling Kluber stays put
RedRooster
Why would the Indians want Gray in a Kluber trade? The point of trading Kluber is to add years of control to their roster. Gray only has one.
jbigz12
If they deal Kluber and get Andujar plus some top prospects I don’t think they wouldn’t take Gray. You still need to fill the 5th starters role and Gray is a better candidate than Plutko or Cody Anderson. Although they could probably use that money on the bullpen or their OF which desperately needs help
Bruin1012
While Kluber is controlled for three more years it just doesn’t seem to be in the Padres best interest to trade for him at this time. The Padres have so many young prospects coming up they need to see what they have first before an expensive trade. Kluber is the kind of guy you trade for to get over the hump when you have an established team that you know what you have and he is that last piece to put you over the top. The Padres are not even sure what they have at this point other then the best farm in baseball. Let some of these guys come up and see how they do as they get better there will be a time to make some key trades, that time is not now.
RedRooster
Nailed it
Padres2019ha
WCR, you can’t keep throwing hoarding rookies and hope they pan out. You needed to be really savvy and really lucky to put together a championship calibur team. But we won’t go from zero to champs without some hard to swallow trades for proven expensive veterans. Since when were guys like Kluber/Thor available anyways?
outinleftfield
One in 5 of top 100 prospects eventually become even an average MLB player. There is no such thing as a can’t miss prospect. Guys like Kluber are proven commodities. He has been Cy Young caliber for several years. You can expect at least a couple more years of that caliber pitching from him. The Padres have some great players. Hosmer, Myers, Yates off the top of my head. Young guys like Renfroe and the big guy, Reyes, they had in the MLB.com article about emerging players today have power bats. Hedges is one of the best catchers in the game behind the plate. Kinsler is an exceptional defensive player even if his bat is declining. They are not as far away as you think. Certainly not as far as my O’s or even the Giants in their own division.
Bruin1012
I have a question for you do you really think that if the Padres get Kluber they can compete with the Dodgers because I don’t. I think the only way that compete with the Dodgers and get back to being a threat in the division if there young guys start panning out. Of course not all will be the chances are some will become very good big leaguers and some potential superstars. Why would you want to take the chance you trade the wrong guys when you aren’t competing for at least a year probably two. It just makes no sense to me.
Swinging Friars
You bring in a proven winner to show all the young guys how it’s done
outinleftfield
So talking hypothetical here:
Padres trade Renfroe and prospects not named Tatis, Gore, or Urias for Kluber
Padres trade low level prospects for Gray
Padres trade low level prospects for Cobb
Padres sign Moustakas
Padres starting rotation at beginning of season in 2019
Kluber
Gray
Cobb
Lucchesi
Lauer or any number of starters
Padres lineup to start the season
Hosmer (expect a bounceback .280/20-25 HR)
Kinsler (elite defense and better than their 2B in 2018 with bat)
Urias (rookie with a promising bat and good defense)
Moustakas (25-30 HR and good defense)
Myers (25-30 HR and decent defense)
Margot (.250 BA with exceptional defense)
Reyes (power and average, but poor defense)
Hedges (maybe the best defensive catcher in baseball)
That is a team that could get the WC. Once you are in the playoffs, anything is possible.
The Padres get a promising arm in Lamet back mid-season. Depending on the prospects they give up to get Kluber, they have Logan Allen, Chris Paddack, and Cal Quantrill coming soon and Tatis supposedly ready this season too. They have a quality core of players and prospects. It makes sense to move now for some top players to front that group.
RedRooster
Lmao like how they would contend for a WC in 2018?
outinleftfield
Where do you see 2018?
RedRooster
Here
mlbtraderumors.com/2018/03/west-notes-greinke-lope…
Juggy
Padres can get Trout and Harper and still be in fourth place in that division.. It is a poorly run franchise… And that is facts
getright11
Whatever, Ryan 😉
troll
if st louis had gotten kluber instead of westbrook, they’d have an ace
billneftleberg
padres fans are so butthurt that they have nothing the yankees want to get Andujar
RedRooster
Keep Andujar! Where would he even play on the Padres? He’s affirmatively not a third baseman. Hosmer is already at 1st base. Renfroe, Reyes, Myers, Cordero and others are already at the outfield corners and they play in the NL so DH is out.
yanks02026
Did you know Adrian Beltre wasn’t good at defense in his first year in the majors.. Yet the guy went on to win 5 gold gloves.
Just because someone wasn’t good one year doesn’t mean they can’t get better..
RedRooster
Name one 3rd baseman who ever had as bad a defensive season as Andujar and ever had another season where he provided positive defensive value. Just one.
outinleftfield
Did you know you are full of it? In his first full season in the majors, Beltre was the 2nd best defensive 3B in the game. Only Ventura was better.
fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=639&positi…
fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=3b&stats=bat…
Andujar was the worst 3B on defense in Yankees history last season.
outinleftfield
There are none. There are only a couple ever that have been near as bad as Andujar. Neither of them were 3B the following season.
yanks02026
What stat you want it to go by.. Im sure there is plenty to show players have improved after one year.
RedRooster
Never said he can’t improve. Even if he does improve he’d still be a huge negative on defense.
yanks02026
Yeah 29 errors that sure equals the 2nd best defensive 3B in the game. Oh and a .932 fielding %
yanks02026
Because you can see the future, please give me this weeks lottos numbers. Its amazing how so many people on MLB trade rumors can tell the future and already decide whether a player will be crap or good.
outinleftfield
Errors? You are joking right? If you really believe that errors are a measure of defense then the conversation is over. No one is that uninformed anymore.
yanks02026
Dude you’re talking about WAR.. So based on your standards, Aaron Hicks, Jed Lowrie are just as good of players as JOSE ALTUVE because they had the same WAR. But Matt Carpenter is better because he had a 5.0 compared to a 4.9
Yankeepatriot
It’s ironic that you all are discussing belte as andujar is actually working out with him this off season lol
Yankeepatriot
I believe he is talking about defensive metrics, not so much about war. Then again war is heavily influenced by defensive metrics which I am mixed on
yanks02026
I went by what he sent in the link.. All it said was DEF and the one next to it was WAR.. So I’m assuming he meant DEF WAR.
Yankeepatriot
Ahhhh I see ^_^
whyhayzee
There was once a rookie who hit 27 homers. A couple years later when he was moved to third base he was terrible defensively. So they moved him back to first base. And that is where he won 8 Gold Gloves. Boomer hit taters.
RedRooster
Padres already are stuck with Eric Hosmer at 1B so Andujar at 1B is out.
Dagoat
Really…. would you seriously take every one of those players that you mentioned over andujar?
Cause I’ll bet padres management wouldn’t.
And by the way, that’s the weakest list of ” we’re all set at these positions” names I’ve ever seen.
I wonder why the padres just dont lock them all up to 10 year 20 million dollar contracts and call it a decade.
I’m just tired of people bashing Miguel andujar and his 1 mlb season, Which is better then any season any of those other names has put up.
outinleftfield
It’s not that it’s just 1 season, it’s that he had a historically bad season on defense. A season so bad that not a single player that was that bad or even close to that bad ever returned to play 3B. Andujar won’t either. It is why the Yankees are actively shopping him this offseason. They know he is a DH or at best a 1B in the future and they have no spot for him in their lineup because of it. Realistically, Andujar can only be traded to an AL team. I would LOVE to see the O’s trade for him. The O’s can put that bat at DH/1B and he would thrive in Camden Yards.
RedRooster
Why yes. I would absolutely keep those guys over Andujar. He is a DH and the Padres, a NL team, have no DH spot.
Dagoat
Lets see what happens. I’ll tell you now I watch every yankees game And that guy playing 3rd base isn’t as big of a hindrance to our team as you might think. His bat does make a considerable difference though.
There’s one thing for sure you can definitely improve your defense but you’re not gonna really change your Success of the play on the whole as easily.
I think they be silly to trade him.
All the people that talk about trading him want him on their team.
Just like you said you like your Orioles to get him. But it aint happening the batt place too well and you cannot teach the bat like you can teach the glove.
nowheretogobutup
Who wants a 3B who can’t field for his life, only as a DH and then his value goes down dramatically, Cash is not stupid he sees him as a liability, Padres don’t make this mistake there’s other 3B far better to go after on a trade
billneftleberg
GOOD THEN STOP BASHING THE PLAYER YOU SAY YOU DONT WANT
The New York Yankees have been heavily linked to Manny Machado in the lead-up to the non-waiver trade deadline, prompting speculation that incumbent third baseman Miguel Andujar could be packaged away in a deal for pitching.
Yankees general manager Brian Cashman attempted to squash any rumors involving Andujar on Friday after it was reported that the team isn’t high on the 23-year-old, saying that he sees Andujar as an integral part of the organization moving forward.
“I think (Andujar) is a hell of a player,” Cashman told Joel Sherman of the New York Post. “We have said ‘no’ to him (in trade talks) not just this year but from Double-A on up. I have not included him any deals and that should say how I feel about him.”
Cashman added: “We have been challenged many times to move him or coerced to move him. He is here because of what we think of him. And I mean ‘we.’ His makeup is off the charts. His work ethic is off the charts. His energy is off the charts. And his physical ability is off the charts. He is a major contributor, which is what we thought he’d be.”
those are cashmans own words, why go with Heymans admitted speculation when cashman has already said there is NO TRUTH TO THEM
Bringbacktheblue
Who’s butthurt? I rather have Franco from the Phillies. Idiot.
billneftleberg
GOOD THEN STOP BASHING THE PLAYER YOU SAY YOU DONT WANT
I just dont see why Padres fans keep bashing andujar if they really want franco, no yankee fan has been bashing Padres players we just said you have nothing wed want to trade andujar for
thats it go get franco we wish you luck
Bringbacktheblue
Don’t talk sh*t and expect not to get sh*t back. It doesn’t work that way.
Dagoat
You’d rather have Franco?
I like him for what he is, but it s not close to andujar.
Thats not real ammunition in any argument, cuz every gm would take andu of franco and you know it.
sdfriarfan
Maikel Franco at 3b for the next 3 years AND keep all their prospects. Not a bad idea.
outinleftfield
You have been bashing players from other teams on here every day. Andujar sucks as a 3B. I am an Orioles fan and I watched him all season. He is horrible. Historically bad. The worst Yankee 3B on defense ever. What part of that do you not get?
Bringbacktheblue
He would cost less, and Petco Park is living hell for hitters. Andujar won’t put up the same numbers he put up in your little league field.
Dagoat
Historically bad but his orioles would love to have him
Jokers….
Soldierofgod619
You bashed the San Diego Padres entire franchise recently so shut it and stop whinning.
billysbballz
As a Yankee fan I much rather have Bauer (27yo) over Kluber (32 going in 33yo). Bauer is Younger and better in big games recently plus had better season last year. I like Bauer allot.
I would consider only if the Yabjs signed Machado this idea.
Yanks send Andujar and Gray to San Diego.
San Diego sends Renfro, Margot, and Hedges to Indians. Indians send Bauer to Yanks.
As a Yankee fan I actually feel Andujar alone for Bauer is enough, add Gray to that and they should receive a good prospect from Sam Diego as well.
Dagoat
You just don’t trade andujar.
RedRooster
Why would the Padres trade Renfroe, Margot and Hedges for a DH? They play in the NL!
Yankeepatriot
Bauer is an odd ball but I love his work ethic. He always studies spin rate and whatnot
outinleftfield
Why would the Padres want Andujar? He can’t play 3B. He was really bad at 3B in the minors and he was the worst 3B in Yankees history. So explain why they would want a guy that will have to move to DH or maybe 1B next season? They have Hosmer long term for big money at 1B. He is not moving. There is no DH in the NL.
Dagoat
Lets realign abd Put the padres in the al then. Problem solved…. now u have a dh and will still be fighting for 4th
RedRooster
I thought you said the Yankees would trade for Hosmer!
mlbtraderumors.com/2018/03/padres-outright-rowan-w…
billneftleberg
shows how clueless you are, andujar jusy had the best rookie year by a yankee since joe dimaggio
The Padres “love” Yankees third baseman Miguel Andujar, according to FanCred’s Jon Heyman. San Diego tried acquiring the near-American League Rookie of the Year at the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline, and Yankees general manager Brian Cashman wanted no part of it, per SNYtv’s Andy Martino
sny.tv/yankees/news/are-the-yankees-interested-in-…
thats from december 23rd so youre still lying outinleftfield. everything youve posted is based upon Heymans speculation and even he said he had no source, he just heard that San Diego desparately wants him
and while that may be true, you have to have something Cashman wants, and you have nothing
RedRooster
I’m pretty sure Aaron Judge’s rookie year was better…
Bringbacktheblue
Your “third” baseman won’t put up the numbers in big Petco Park that he put up in your garbage little league stadium.
yanks02026
Pretty sure a double is a double in all ballparks. Andujar aint really a homerun hitter, he’s more of doubles/contact.
Also his HR splits were very close, 16 HR at home and 11 on the road.
But please Padre fans and haters continue to post false info about Andujar.. Its funny reading how salty you people are.
Bringbacktheblue
This post had nothing to do Andujar. It was about Kluber… I forgot (and don’t care) that the Padres FRONT office wanted Andujar. It’s you idiots that brought it up, and how we are “butthurt” lol get over yourself. I would love Kluber or Stroman or even Leake over any of your garbage you’re trying to force on us.
Bruin1012
And it wasn’t even close Judges rookie year was so much better then Andujar. Judge’s rookie year was historic Andujar won in a down year.
hockeyjohn
Billy, I don’t see Cleveland making that trade. We already have several center fielders and I doubt they are interested in Hedges. We would need more to trade Bauer.
billneftleberg
i agree the Padres have nothing the indians want
but padres fans re so desparate that they take one quote from Heyman and think he knows more than the Yankees Actual GM Brian Cashman, the Same Cashman who said on the Michael Kay show that the only time that Andujar was ever in play was for Noah Syndergaard.
if the Padres want Andujar let them get Syndergaard first.
but as a met fan I know that will never happen.
and also as a met fan. im still not cerain id trade Syndergaard for Andujar. im torn on that one. some days I say yes because i expect Andujar to be a 35 hr/120 RBI guy buy then i say, but noah Syndergaard could win a cy young. so its tough. but I do know the Padres cant get either
RedRooster
“no yankee fan has been bashing Padres players”
You were saying…?
Bringbacktheblue
You morons wanted to get your dirty little hands on Tatis and Gore and Padres shut you down. Hahaha
Padres2019ha
Bill, it appears you are a day and night drinker. Cheers.
Juggy
Agreed
sufferforsnakes
Wonder who Atlanta would be willing to trade for Kluber?
phnxdark23
I’m hoping we’re willing to trade quite a bit for him – he’s the only trade target I’d be OK with dropping big talent for. I know he wouldn’t be cheap, but something like 1 of Touki/Soroka/Wright + Riley + Pache + 1 more lower tier SP should be enough, wouldn’t you think? I know that’s more than the average Braves fan wants to give, but I’d love to see him in the NL and have some stability at the top of the rotation as the young pups develop. It’s not every day a multi-Cy Young winner with a very reasonable salary becomes available; this is exactly the kind of thing you stockpile young talent for IMO.
san diego4life
Kevin acee is an idiot he knows nothing about the padres
baseball365
I’ve come to the conclusion why things have been slow for a few teams and a trade of Sonny Gray and Miguel Andujar makes so much sense at this point, it’s actually obvious what might be going on. Yankees waiting for Machado perhaps, and if he is on board, Yanks pull the trigger on such a trade.
I haven’t read the other comments — most are probably idiotic about how the Andujar is the worst 3rd baseman in the history of the sport yada, yada, yada, written by a bunch of uninformed part-time baseball fans. Dude is a legit stud of a player and can hit like a very smaller percentage of players. His defense will get better and it’s not that bad. You all should give it a try. Lol.
baseball365
Dang, it took me like 5 comments above to read that Andujar can’t play 3rd base. Well, that was predictable.
RedRooster
Confirmed Brian Cashman’s account.
billneftleberg
the yankees dont want to trade him. period as cashman said He’d only trade him for a similarly young cost controlled pitcher, thats why he considered Syndergaard, but not Kluber.. the Padres dont even have a pitcher like that.
I dont get why cashman s own words arent good enough. heyman misunderstood and thought Andujar was being Shopped, he isnt. teams like the padres want him, but until they have :”a similarly young cost controlled pitcher,” they are wasting their time
cashman has been ultra clear about what he wants
Padres fans are just upset because they like him but know they have no chance to acquire him
they are right there with the royals and orioles as the worst teams in baseball
RedRooster
See? There you go bashing the Padres again after saying that no Yankees fans are doing that. I’m starting to think you’re just a troll.
Do not compare the Padres to the Royals or Orioles. Padres’ farm system is miles ahead of theirs and their Major League team is better as well.
And I’m a Padres fan who doesn’t want them to acquire Andujar. He’s a DH. There’s no room for him in the National League. Plenty of other Padres fans feel similarly.
billneftleberg
I was just stating a fact, you are right there with the royals and the Orioles. you may not like it, but until tour prospects Actually start producing like Andujar actually has, youll stay that way.. Im just pointing out that you have no real basis for criticizing him when he would have been your teams best player by a landslide if you had him
Bruin1012
I don’t think the Padres really want Andujar. Andujar hit really well last year but he can’t play third. If it was just double clutching on throws then I would say yes he can play third but it isn’t. He had historically bad range and extremely poor reaction times and I don’t think you can fix that. I will be the first to apologize if he becomes any better defensively at third but I don’t think he will. He truly looks like a first baseman but thats no guarantee at this point. He can hit but if you are a gm are you going to trade a front of the rotation type for a potential DH. I really doubt it.
Bruin1012
Honestly do you think Cashman is going to come out and say anything other then they love Andujar. If the Yankees sign Machado you will see Andujar moved but not for the young TOR arm you think he will be. You would not trade. Cashman can say it all he wants but other GM’s can see the footage and they all know he isn’t a third baseman and that is why he won’t garner the arm that you think he will.
dematteo1982
Stroman is a great buy low candidate. Not saying he won’t fetch a decent return, but a change of scenery would do him well. He is a Long Island kid so the Yankees or Mets would be perfect. Gray and a prospect from the Yanks or Gimenez,Plawecki and Kay from the Mets. Either one
Samuel
Jon Paul Morosi publishes throw away lines as breaking news to get clicks.
This is the 3rd or 4th article I’ve read in the past few weeks discussing his scoops that were clarified as being without merit within 2 days, sometimes one, and as in this case – the same day.
Nebraska Tim
Does Jon Morosi even count as a reporter? All he does is make up junk.
bravesfan
Any chance the padres would trade renfroe to the braves for Tehran and some other prospects? Not exactly a big pitching upgrade, but I feel like it helps them, and I threw in prospects cause I know a Tehran for renfroe straight up won’t happen. But I feel like we could sure use him …
RedRooster
Not gonna trade him just to trade him. Has to fill a need.
phnxdark23
How is giving a SP not filling a need for a team desperately seeking SP?
RedRooster
1. Teheran doesn’t have enough club control.
2. Teheran is basically being paid market value. Padres can find guys as good as him for as much as him on the open market.
phnxdark23
To quote your post below, “ OK, then go sign one of those guys.”
RedRooster
Ok they will.
bitterpadresfan
Myers +10 mil for Tehran sounds better.
Soldierofgod619
Is Austin Riley on the table? Camargo or Riley catch my interest. Renfroe for Riley 1v1 swap. Or Renfroe+Stammen or Yates for Camargo.
RedRooster
Well that would bring the Craig Kimbrel trade full-circle (Braves drafted Austin Riley with the competitive balance pick they received in the Kimbrel trade)
phnxdark23
Riley is only on the table for top prospects, like Kluber, Hanniger, JTR. There’s no chance he’d go for 1 of the Pads 17 disposable OF. This is the equivalent of a Braves fan suggesting Allard for Gore.
phnxdark23
*top-end talent, not top prospects.
Soldierofgod619
Lol Renfroe and Stammen have value idk what your smoking. Riley is not a top 30 prospect in all of baseball so should get more realistic with the demands.
hockeyjohn
Riley is the 43rd top prospect according to MLB.com. Stammen has one year of control. I am not fan of the Braves or Padres. I don’t think Renfroe (or with Stammen) gets Riley. Just my opinion.
RedRooster
Renfroe was just as highly ranked as a prospect as Riley is now and has already shown he can hack it in the Majors.
phnxdark23
No one has made any demands…but he’s our top positional prospect in a very deep system, and IF he gets traded away (not likely) it’ll only be for a big fish. Not saying Renfroe don’t have value, but AA would be crushed if he did a move like this when there are capable corner outfielders available on the market for no prospects.
RedRooster
Ok then go sign one of those guys
Dbird777
Like the Padres would get Kluber without Tatis and/or Gore lol.
RedRooster
Sure they would.
Just let the Tatis/Gore thing go. You’re not getting them. Seriously, just let it all go. The Padres have other great prospects.
csspackler
Ba-loney.
Oh, lol.
mccourtscorpse
not exactly what i would think our southern stadium might pull off
ok yes it is but it doesn’t take much to make them happy
kinda surprised they didn’t want kemp back
nowheretogobutup
At this point I say keep our top prospects bring them up in 2019 and show the baseball world how the Padres can with these young studs pass the D Backs and Giants in 2019 and make the playoffs in 2020.
jimmertee
Padres and Padres fans are dreaming if they think that they are going to get Kluber or Stroman for anything less that a package that includes Gore and/or Tatis. I have been told the Jays asked for one of those PLUS two less but still premium prospects.
The Padres were hoping to buy much lower on Stroman. Good on the Jays for holding firm to a high price for Stroman. I personally think Stroman’s high ceiling starter days are over but he can be an elite closer and his personality would be better suited for closing.
Bruin1012
Well if you were “told” were also told that Preller laughed them off the phone. Listen not a Pads fan but they aren’t trading either of those guys for Stroman let alone both.