Per Marc Carig of The Athletic on Twitter, the Mets and Astros have been “engaged” in recent trade talks, with the ’Stros reportedly “showing interest” in right-hander Seth Lugo.
Lugo was primarily a starter throughout his minor-league career and into the early stages of his first big league tastes, but shifted mostly to the ’pen last year, to excellent results (3.17 FIP, 9.15 K/9, 2.49 BB/9). Despite his somewhat-advanced age, the 29-year-old Lugo has yet to hit arbitration and is still under team control for another four years, so he does represent an attractive trade chip for a Mets organization still in the midst of a major 25-man overhaul.
The data-hound Astros, of course, are always on the prowl for the latest edge, and may have found one in recent times with their stockpiling of spin-rate savants, viz. Justin Verlander, Gerrit Cole, and, most recently, mid-season pickup Ryan Pressly, whose 3225 average RPM on the curveball ranked first among all big-league arms in 2018. Lugo, notably, placed second, with an average curve RPM of 3173, and has long been considered to have one of the game’s fiercest hammers. His fastball, though, has also earned excellent marks, with FanGraphs grading the pitch as easily plus in each of the hurler’s first three big league seasons.
Following the departure of Charlie Morton to Tampa Bay, and the near-term loss of righty Lance McCullers Jr. to Tommy John, the back end of the Houston rotation looks much thinner than in recent seasons; Collin McHugh will move back from the bullpen, and rookie Josh James looks poised for another spot, but the fifth and final position is, at current, entirely up for grabs, to say nothing of depth-related issues. Houston could look to deploy Lugo as a starter again in 2019, though his career numbers in that role (4.26 xFIP) are vastly inferior to those as a reliever (3.03 FIP, 0.55 HR/9 vs 1.23 HR/9 as a starter).
The bullpen, however, remains an unquestioned strength – returners Pressly, Hector Rondon, Will Harris, and Roberto Osuna all had excellent years in 2018, and former stalwarts Chris Devenski and Brad Peacock (13.36 K/9 in 63 1/3 IP) struggled only with the longball. Given the glut of right-handed arms, Lugo would seem a luxury here if not for the contract status of the unit’s pillars: each of Harris, Pressly, Peacock, Rondon, and the now-injured Joe Smith are entering their final years of club control, so perhaps the Astros are looking to make a preemptive strike.
The Mets have certainly solidified the back-end of the bullpen in recent days, what with the trade for Edwin Diaz and the signing of Jeurys Familia, but the rest of the unit seems mostly in shambles: Robert Gsellman, Drew Smith, and Paul Sewald round out the remainder of ’18’s top performers, and none of the trio had a particularly encouraging season. The club could certainly use a defensive-minded type in center field who isn’t a complete zero with the bat, though dealing from its weakest regiment wouldn’t seem to make much sense.
Carig does take care to note that New York is “doing background work” on the Astros’ minor-league system, and later notes that the talks are “wider-ranging,” so it does seem more pieces are potentially at play.
grapher0315
Could be an interesting pickup for Houston. Wonder what they would have to give up?
Tom E. Snyder
Marisnick?
clubberlang
Sold American!
basquiat
Extra likes from the Wayback Machine.
alc47
It was have to be a significant piece for the Mets to trade him, Marisnick has low value.
cyclone24
I would say Lugo and Lagares for Probably Tucker and pitcher like Joe Smith and a minor leaguer
some guy 2
How about AJ Reed?
alc47
Doesn’t make sense for the Mets they have Dom Smith and Peter Alonso. A.J. Reed isn’t good enough to creat a hole in the pen.
some guy 2
Fair point. I’m also not sure it makes sense for the Mets. Though that said, I’m also not sure I believe Dom Smith will pan out and I don’t know if Alonso is ready yet for the show.
Saint Chris
If I’m the Mets, I’m trying to pry Tony Kemp from Houston. Under rated player, that can play multiple positions. Could break out as a star.
jbigz12
I don’t think you’d have to pry. I’d prefer Lugo to Kemp and I’m pretty sure he has more trade value
Saint Chris
Awesome. Let’s make the trade then. Mets can just sign another swingman reliever. There’s not any multi-faceted, young, team-controlled 2b/of available in free agency with the potential of Tony Kemp.
Saint Chris
And don’t say Josh Harrison.
Randia
Jeff Mc Neill can do both and is already better than kemp, sorry.
Saint Chris
Jeff McNeill didn’t play a single inning in the outfield for the Mets last year. He’s a 2b only. Hardly a just compariosn; although, I like McNeill. I wonder how much his high BABIP had to do with his remarkable numbers and if he can repeat such success, though.
Randia
As usual you are wrong chris. McNeil has played all three outfield spots in the minors. With the mets he’s played 2nd and 3rd and he was even designated as the emergency Catcher. Do some basic research next time. As I said Astro fans are clueless about the mets. Especially You. You’ve made 2 statements in this thread alone and were proven wrong both times.
So you’re quite uninformed
Tom E. Snyder
Isn’t Casey Stengel the manager?
Randia
Additionally McNeil has a always gotten on base and his Babip has been good he just didn’t drive the ball much until recently. Don’t you ever research before you open your mouth?
You make Astros fans look bad
Randia
Nice one tom. But the difference is you’re being facetious for a laugh. Sadly Chris is 100% serious,but woefully uninformed.
LongTimeFan1
@Randia
You’re parsing hairs about McNeil’s minor league outfield experience which is almost next to nothing. – 8 games, 5 starts. 15 chances split between LF, RF, CF.
So he’s going to have to prove himself in spring training to meet BVW’s plans to to turn McNeil into super utility. McNeil’s a good athlete, hard nosed and hard worker, but this Mets fan isn’t clueless about the Mets and worries about his health – all that running for a guy with injury prone wheels including hip issue which has cut into some of his speed. McNeil in the outfield is experiment whose outcome is thus unknown.
BVW shouldn’t rely on McNeil to be an important part of the outfield.if that’s his intention. rather than occasional usage.
njbirdsfan
Well they’ve only been interested in their own team for a year and a half.
LongTimeFan1
@Randia
One mistaken Astros fan doesn’t speak for the group. It cuts both ways…you as Mets fan stoking anger doesn’t represent the rest of us.
Randia
I never said he did. Just that he can. He never was considered for the outfield because he just didn’t drive the ball until recently.There not a lot demand for .300 hitting outfielders who drive in 30 runs.
He actually signed as a C.F. But moved to 2nd by the mets.
Randia
I’m not stoking anger. I’m just pointing out how many times he’s made statements that were easily preventable if he did ANY research. Why apologize for laziness?
Saint Chris
2 statments that were proven wrong? By whom, you and the cat sitting on your lap? McNeil certainly looked good in his brief time in the bigs last year, but is he better than Kemp based off those 200 and some at bats? Kemp and McNeil have similar minor league numbers. Sorry, didn’t count those handful of outfield spot starts playing for the Flying Tuna Cans, or whatever your minor league affiliate is called, as Mets outfield starts.
Saint Chris
Hey, I don’t blame you. It must be hard out there as a Mets fan, the perpetual let downs, the misery of all the Yankees parades, Madoff stealing any chance of an impactful free agent signing, knowing your team will never be good enough, that your prospects will never amount to anything. Be angry. Embrace it.
bigkempin
By multiple positions I assume you mean LF and CF? He has rarely played at 2B and doesn’t carry a ton of defensive value. He also doesn’t have a good bat so not sure how you think he could break out as a star.
astros_fan_84
Trust in Lunhow.
seamaholic 2
Doesn’t seem to make a whole lotta sense for Mets. Although I can see the Stros side.
rct 2
Yeah, it makes zero sense to me. The Mets severely needed to upgrade the bullpen and have added two pieces (at significant cost). To go ahead and trade a solid, cost-efficient bullpen piece would undermine what they’re trying to do.
basebaIl1600
This is somebody I’d like the giants to get, maybe included in some Tony Watson deal. Mets would really buff that bullpen.
JayRyder
If Your The Mets. Why do you trade this guy. ? ? ?
Kraz Nadler
The Mets are a pretty well run org. Good stats dept. Lugo is a one trick pony middle reliever, dime a dozen commodity. I would take a bag of balls for him.
Saint Chris
Correct. I believe the Mets employ all of the statisticians that used to work in the Cleveland Browns organization from 2007-2017.
LongTimeFan1
@Kraz Nadler
If that’s your assessment, you really don’t know Lugo.
Kraz Nadler
I watched him start and was not impressed.
nymetsking
Mo Rivera sucked as a SP, so I guess he didn’t impress you either (NOT implying Lugo is anywhere near Rivera)?
Kylesamac
And that’s why the Astros get starters like Morton and McHugh for peanuts and the Mets are the Mets.
napes22
Mets fan here, can confirm this statement is wildly inaccurate. The team has one of the smallest analytic departments in baseball, and is very poorly run.
hojostache
Going into this off-season the Mets’ stat department was the smallest in the NL…at 3. It’s pathetic.
Tom E. Snyder
Maybe get someone younger with the same amount, or more, of control.
tgnorthen
Except he was born in Louisiana and not Puerto Rico
grapher0315
I suppose people assume he is Puerto Rican because he played on the Puerto Rican team in the WBC..
Ruben_Tomorrow 2
He’s not even Puerto Rican, he’s Quarter Rican.
Jacob Sizemore
I have been waiting years for him to bust out. Always thought more highly of him than Montero/Wheeler/ or even Matz (Potential-Wise). Glad to see he found success, albeit in the pen and not the rotation.
padam
“The club could certainly use a defensive-minded type in center field who isn’t a complete zero with the bat…”
Ugh, Lagares? Not the greatest bat, but not a zero, either. And his defense is spectacular.
jamesalba32
His injury history is also spectacular. He’s not a guy you can count on to be the starting CFer for 100+ games. Love Lagares but he always finds his way on the shelf right around when he starts to heat up with the bat
hojostache
Pollock has averaged 101 games per season since securing regular playing time in the Majors. Juan gets hurt, but let’s not pretend GG-level CF’ers are a dime a dozen. He is pricey at $9m…no doubt, but he still has value bc of his glove alone. He is a streaky hitter too. He worked w JD Martinez’s swing coach this off-season and he’s been raking in Winter ball. Those are all good signs at least, but he needs to prove he can stay healthy.
Lefty Grove’s right hand
I can’t believe Peacock emerged as this strikeout machine. Houston’s patience awarded them greatly. How could you let this guy go A’s?? True, he struggled in AAA for the A’s, but he still had loads of potential.
Rich Hill’s Elbow
Probably gonna take Rondon, Marisnick, A. Diaz
Randia
Why would the mets want that dreck? It will take much more than backups
astrosfan4life
That’s an overpay and Luhnow is far too smart to do that deal. I don’t like London, but he’s an overpay if it was just him for Lugo.
southern lion
Houston should make this trade. Send NYM Marisnick.
alc47
That wouldn’t get it done lol
Tom E. Snyder
Marisnick +.
jbigz12
Why would the Mets want Marisnick period. They have a defensive minded CF who can’t hit already in Lagares
wright1970
BVW, keep Lugo unless blown away with an offer!! In other words, keep him…
deweybelongsinthehall
Agreed. They do need a CF as someone already mentioned but trading Lugo likely isn’t the solution.
MetsYankeesRedSox
JBJ would look great in a Mets uniform patrolling CF.
deweybelongsinthehall
What kind of return? My guess is Lugo is more valuable to the Mets given his control years and their sudden payroll increase.
Saint Chris
Really wish the Astros would have signed Wilson Ramos, JA Happ, Nelson Cruz, and re-signed Charlie Morton. All short-term deals that make them a much, much better team, and doesn’t affect their long-term payroll or ability to extend some of their key young guys.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
3000 RPM is 50 per second. Whoever counts those things must have pretty good eyes…
Saint Chris
Correct. I believe the Mets employ all of the statisticians that used to work in the Cleveland Browns organization from 2007-2017.
Randia
Actually you got it backwards their former executive went to the browns
Randia
Its apparent that Astros fans haven’t seen much of lugo or gselllman, they were the only relievers worth having out there in the mets pen, which is why they targeted Diaz and brought back familia
wright1970
BVW, keep Lugo unless blown away with an offer!! I still wouldnt trade him if you are a contender…
Dan Hunter
Lugo for Mariwn Gonzalez.
CJ81
Marwin is a free agent.
astrosfan4life
Best trade ever! Haha
ScottRolen
Why does nothing written about a potential Mets trade make sense?
Brixton
Because the mets dont make sense
Randia
Carig does say the mets are looking at the Astros system, so backups and bench pieces don’t apply and the Astros inquired so the mets weren’t shopping Lugo so this is obviously Houston targeting a player they like.
joepanikatthedisco
Worth mentioning that Lugo pitched over 100 innings last year. 2.66 ERA. Nothing wrong with FIP and K/BB rates but they don’t always tell the whole story.
Armaday
I like having Lugo. I think he should be in the Mets rotation. Let’s see what the Astros are willing to part with. They are stacked
rjtfd
I like Lugo also. He is better reliever than starter but how many innings do you think we’ll get out of Matz before Lugo starts? Don’t forget Vargas really isn’t exactly our 5th starter…
Danny B.
Like another fan & I were discussing earlier, a fair trade would be Lugo & Plawecki for Tucker. Mets need a CF while the Astros need pitching & another catcher for depth. Chirinos is not a slam dunk.
newman2079
hahahahahahaha….. no
try again you’re not getting Tucker
call my Mike Francesa later and share this with him… I’ll be listening
sureshotschmitty
Everyone loves Lugo
Depends on give back of course
LongTimeFan1
Lugo’s a good pitcher, can start or relieve. He won’t come cheap. The Astros know that he’s good and is why they want him.
cyclone24
Prob Marisnick and Sipp
astrosfan4life
Stros should do it now! Sipp is a FA so it’s really only Jakey-Poo for Lugo.
jb19
Sipp is a FA
newman2079
I’d sign him and make this deal in the same hour
ghost of dave kingman
Good Stats Dept…..
Armaday
Tucker for Lugo?
Danny B.
That seems fair. Even though Tucker is one of the Astros Top Prospects, he hasn’t proven anything at the major league level yet. Lugo has a nice track record of success, continues to improve and has 4 years of control left. Seems like the ideal one for one. Mets could probably put Tucker in CF or at least Nimmo.
newman2079
classic… idiot Mets fan overvaluing what they have and trying to get gold for a MR. you are not getting Tucker. If Tucker was remotely available in a trade, Realmuto would already be on the roster.
Armaday
Along with Plawecki or D’Arnaud
Danny B.
Mets have a surplus at catcher now, so adding Plawecki to a Lugo/Tucker deal makes sense.
Melchez
Matt Boyd to the Astros. Lefty starter that has 4 more years of control. He had a decent year last year. Astros have a history of making starters better, they could make Boyd a solid #3.
jakec77
I chalk this up to Astros contacted Mets, Mets wanted to see if Astros were willing to wildly overpay, presumably Astros won’t, The End.
jvent
What about Kemp and JD Davis since hes blocked by Bregman anyway for Lugo
Danny B.
Not nearly enough.
Danny B.
I’m a Mets fan who knows first hand how valuable Lugo is. There are not many trades one would consider but the following proposal might work:
Astros get: Seth Lugo & Kevin Plawecki
Mets get: Kyle Tucker, Myles Straw & J.D Davis
jvent
Prob won’t get all 3 from the Astros but will def. take Straw and Davis, the Mets haven’t had a stolen base guy since the young Reyes lol.
Danny B.
I think it’s very possible to get all three. Tucker & Straw are easily replaceable for the Astros, especially with the recent signing of Michael Brantley. Davis is blocked in Houston and has a chance to flourish in Queens. Makes sense for both clubs.
jbigz12
You are not getting a top 5 prospect in all of baseball for Seth Lugo. Please just stop. That’s laughable.
newman2079
agreed… idiot Mets fans who call up Mike Francesa are the same idiots who comment here.
hojostache
Stolen bases are waaaay down and are valued less and less. Lugo has elite stuff and 4(?) more years of control for cheap.
Dan Hunter
Dom Smith, Lugo, mcneal and Jimenez for Springer.
Mets would be set.
Danny B.
Bro, what are you smoking??? This trade makes no sense for the Astros. McNeil has half a season under his belt in the big leagues, Smith is an astronomical bust, Gimenez is a good prospect but not major league ready and Lugo is a solid #5 SP or quality bullpen arm. So you want the Astros to trade a perennial allstar OF for this package??? That’s just idiotic. Would NEVER happen.
jbigz12
Danny do you use logic? Right above this you proposed the Astros give the #5 prospect in baseball for Seth Lugo. A guy you just described as a #5 or bullpen arm. Then you proceed to jump down this guy throat for a trade involving Lugo???? You can’t have it both ways.
Danny B.
What the hell are you talk about!?!?!? The
dude mentioned a mediocre package of players for Springer, a perennial allstar. Lugo for Tucker is realistic. It doesn’t matter if Tucker is a #1, #5 or even #90 prospect, the bottomline is he’s ONLY a prospect. Has minimal MLB experience and that little experience is not pretty(.141 BA with a .439 OPS in 28 gms…..YIKES). Lugo has gotten progressively better year after year and has 4 years of control left. It’s more than fair. Next time have some real logic before coming at me with nonsense. Word to the wise, checkout all of my responses attached to this thread, I’ve gotten a majority of up clicks.
newman2079
overrate Lugo much? want Tucker? add in Conforto and we can consider it.
Armaday
Springer is surely untouchable…
Be realistic, Lugo and Plawecki/ D’Arnaud for Tucker and another prospect or two. Tucker is very close to being in the bigs right now.
Danny B.
Whomever told you Springer is clearly delusional. Even I, as a Mets fan, knows that Springer is far more valuable than Lugo. Lugo & Plawecki for Tucker, Straw & Davis seems like the perfect match.
newman2079
plawecki and D’arnold have no value… stop with this nonsense you have ZERO shot at getting Tucker.. people think he is readily available because of the Brantley signing? IF they do trade Tucker it is going to be for someone like Kluber, not Seth friggin Lugo and a bunch of trash
hojostache
No value? Plaw is cheap and controllable. He is in the bottom half of starting catchers, but he still has value bc of how weak the position is league-wide. Travis is a wash to negative value bc he is pricey for snnoften injured catcher. He has an above-avg bat as a catcher….but he hasn’t shown that he can stay healthy.
alc47
You’re not getting tucker for lugo, why so many people think that’s fair I have no idea. Lugo is awesome, I would love to keep him but that being said he’s not worth a top 10 prospect in all of baseball.
Danny B.
I don’t think it’s far fetched but how about Lugo & Plawecki for James, Davis & Straw???
Danny B.
Okay, I know there’s a lot of Astros fans out there that don’t want to give up Tucker for Lugo, so how about the Mets get quantity over quality for Lugo. Let’s try this proposal:
Astros get: Seth Lugo & Kevin Plawecki
Mets get: J.D Davis, Cionel Perez, J.B Bukauskas, Rogelio Armenteros & Myles Straw.
Davis is blocked. Bukauskas is expendable. Straw is way down the OF depth chart. Armenteros doesn’t really fit the Astros needs right now. Only Perez would be difficult to lose but if the Astros could get Lugo & Plawecki while holding onto their 4 Top 100 Prospects, I’m sure most fans would sign up for that.
Danny B.
I meant to add Derek Fisher to that list. Fisher is another player with no role or spot on the Astros roster. If the Stros felt that they were giving too much, I would gladly replace Straw for Fisher.
newman2079
keep Lugo, please he is clearly the next coming of Mariano Rivera or whatever you dumb Mets fans think. Jesus Christ, the Astros show interest so let’s try and get the entire farm for him! keep smoking the good stuff, it’s bound to be legal in NY/NJ is due time
Danny B.
@newman2079
Another clueless, moronic troll. Keep it moving buddy.
hojostache
Sooo….spare parts for a guy who has one of the top curveballs in the game AND 4 years of control left? No thanks.
newman2079
can’t wait till we get Lugo for Kemp and a prospect you Mets fans never heard of and who will instantly be your #6 prospect.
Danny B.
Keep dreaming. If Brodie Van Wagenen didn’t want to overpay for Realmuto, a former client of his, NO WAY he under sales Lugo.
metseventually 2
and no way does Houston overpay for Lugo with Tucker.