Yankees general manager Brian Cashman met with reporters today and expressed a desire to re-sign lefty CC Sabathia while also adding that “a lot” of teams have reached out to express trade interest in Sonny Gray (Twitter links via USA Today’s Bob Nightengale and MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand).
Despite the fact that Cashman has all but admitted he expects to trade Gray, rotation stability will be an area of focus for the Yankees’ front office this winter. With Sabathia and J.A. Happ hitting the open market, Jordan Montgomery out early in 2019 due to Tommy John surgery and Gray likely to be moved, the only experienced arms slotted into New York’s 2019 rotation are Luis Severino and Masahiro Tanaka. There’s plenty of internal depth in the form of Justus Sheffield, Domingo German, Jonathan Loaisiga and Chance Adams, among others, but a team with division title aspirations and the Yankees’ payroll capacity is likely to bolster that group in notable fashion.
[Related: New York Yankees depth chart]
The 38-year-old Sabathia, presumably, wouldn’t be viewed as more than a back-of-the-rotation option. However, he’s been an integral part of the team for the past decade and, despite his age and ongoing knee issues, he enjoyed a very solid 2018 season. In 153 innings (29 starts), the veteran Sabathia worked to a 3.65 ERA with 8.2 K/9, 3.0 BB/9, 1.12 HR/9 and a 44.4 percent ground-ball rate. His swinging-strike and chase rates were the best they’d been since 2012, and his fastball velocity still checked in a bit north of 90 mph — roughly in line with his past four seasons.
Sabathia has already indicated that he hopes to continue pitching in 2019, though his recent success and what figures to be a relatively reasonable price tag could lead to interest elsewhere. While Sabathia is surely open to a reunion with the Yankees, he suggested back in September that he planned to continue pitching even if it meant signing elsewhere (Twitter link via The Athletic’s Marc Carig). The Vallejo, Calif. native did draw interest from the Angels last winter, and speculatively speaking, he’d have plenty of options on the West Coast if he wished to play closer to home.
As for Gray, the right-hander was shelled more often than not when pitching at Yankee Stadium in 2018 but thrived on the road, so it’s not surprising to see numerous clubs expressing interest. Gray’s fastball velocity held strong in 2018, and his swinging-strike rate (10.1 percent) was right in line with that of a league-average starter. Gray’s ground-ball, strikeout and home-run rates were all sharp, as well. The Yankees seemingly altered his pitch selection without much success in ’18, as he threw fewer four-seamers and more curves and two-seamers than ever before.
It’s easy to see why several clubs in larger parks would carry interest — especially if they believe that a return to a more traditional pitch mix for Gray would help him inch toward his peak form. He’s something of a pricey roll of the dice, depending on the interested party, as MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz projects Gray to earn $9.1MM in 2019 — his final season of arbitration eligibility. But Gray’s track record, home/road splits and some solid peripheral metrics place him among the game’s more intriguing buy-low pieces this offseason.
dionls
Machado is a LOCK in pinstripes. Plus the braves need pitching…… Gray for Acuna. Acuna is still a prospect and you can avoid his sophomore slump, meanwhile braves get a proven top 15 pitcher in the NL.
RoXGB
Horrific…
tomrogic
What the… where do you begin with this one?
deweybelongsinthehall
Two words: Unknown Comic (with sign in names – no need for a bag over his head.
One word: troll.
justin-turner overdrive
I dunno, Gray-Acuna is world-class level trolling and to get it it in as the first post on a Yankees thread is…actually kinda impressive? lol
deweybelongsinthehall
JTO: You impress way to easily…
justin-turner overdrive
I said “actually kinda” – but so do the 11 people who upvoted my thought, so…..stop talking to me.
deweybelongsinthehall
Snooty. Aren’t you?
Bald Vinny
You misspelled Gary and Gleyber by switching the A and R and forgetting the Gleyber.
raffi
wow. thats a good trade.
aamatho18
Still wouldn’t do Gary and Gleyber for Acuna
aamatho18
Acuna is untouchable right now
Cuso
Just as Sanchez was untouchable at this point last year. Things change.
baseballpun
Cards should trade Luke Gregerson to the Yanks for Torres and Judge. Judge will never be the same after that injury and Torres has an obvious sophomore slump coming. Gregorson is a proven closer and would form a lights-out tandem with Chapman in the 8th and 9th.
BlueJayFan1515
I hope this is also a joke.
baseballpun
It is incredible how sarcasm is lost on the readership of this website.
eileenyankees9
Omg, I hear ya Baseball
It’s sickening already, and yet it is on every page,
no one foloows policy
eileenyankees9
Omg, I hear ya Baseball
It’s sickening already, and yet it is on every page,
no one foloows policy
EDIT. FOLLOWS
justin-turner overdrive
Sarcasm doesn’t work on the internet, period, sorry you had to find out the hard way but was it really that hard to think everyone was going to hear written words in your own voice, a voice they don’t know? Only the egomaniacal would expect such a thing (hint hint!).
baseballpun
I’m sorry you aren’t as insightful as others who can perceive such things online.
justin-turner overdrive
Whoa whoa whoa sorrry my king, yes yes you are the only person who matters and we all have to interpret your extremely unfunny post as high comedy. Any more demands? Or how about you just learn your lesson to not do that?
johnrealtime
Lol I think people feel stupid for not having realized that someone was sarcastic so they lash out at them. It’s ok to be wrong initially and it’s also ok to be sarcastic on the internet without a “/s” (IMO). I thought in context of who pun was replying to it was obvious sarcasm
JKB 2
Its not incredible at all. Its also not incredible to think your were serious. With all the dumb trade proposal posted over and over why would we think you are exempt? You must be special
JKB 2
I am sorry that you are to egotistical to know that you are not special
JKB 2
Justin-Turner that comeback was too funny!
At least I magically interpreted it as funny so perhaps baseballpun will be proud of me now. Lol
oldyank55
Stupid is as stupid does.
Pab
Reverse italics. Should be the font of sarcasm
dionls
I agree 100%!
Don’t let these idiot fool you, they hate cause they dumb a&& fandom
eileenyankees9
Dion,
I approve this message bro!
newyorkyankee7
Jerky
jdgoat
I think the Yanks should also move Bird to Anaheim for Trout. That will move Pujols to the bench which upgrades their lineup.
Old User Name
That’s not really enough going back to NY. The Angels need to either add Ohtani or pick up half of Trouts contract.
dionls
No way, trouts contract isn’t too bad, I would take it on
highlanders14
No way do you trade Bird for Trout. Bird has a year more left on his contract than trout and at a much more affordable price tag.
stan lee the manly
I mean…is this real? Please tell me this isn’t real…
JKB 2
Yea its real (sarcasm)
allweatherfan
Gray for Acuna? Maybe if the Braves’ staff partakes in medical marijuana on a regular basis.
MeowMeow
If anything that’d make Braves management EXTREMELY aware of what a terrible trade that would be
JoeyPankake
The belief that Marijuana makes you stupid is a myth perpetuated by housewives in the 80’s and 90’s.
bobtillman
…ain’t that much weed in the universe……besides, Acuna’s going to the Sox…..for Swihart…..
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
No no no no. I’m sorry Swihart does not draw rave reviews on defense there is no way. He can clearly only be had for O’Brien. Man smh where have you been.
deweybelongsinthehall
Jealousy. Pure jealousy. Swihart 1 ring, Sanchez 0.
winston714
No, only Tequila in mass quantities can make you that dumb
Braveslifer
Ridiculous comment, Acuna is NL ROY
hiflew
You misspelled Soto.
chound
Maybe in July…
c1234
OKAY… trade your pitcher who has been pitching with an era around 5.00 for a future star, actually Acuna is already a star. I recommend you pay attention to baseball a little more….
saavedra
This HAS to be a troll, right? Even regular Yankee fans are not THAT biased… Right?
mmarinersfan
Your first drinking experience went south quick.
c1234
@ baseballpun
Throw Cecil and Fowler while your at it right? lol
baseballpun
@c1234
Only if Stanton is also coming back and the Yanks pay down some of his salary.
simschifan
Yankees hang up unless Ozzie Albies goes too.
Miklo916
Your a dumbass for this comment
bronxbombers99
I sure do love hot takes
tomahawks
You have about as much chance as seeing Acuna in Yankee pinstripes as Hillary Clinton being our next President. Untouchable, but pass the bong.
JKB 2
Well actually its rumored Hillary will run again …
I Believe We Can Win
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man!
SoCalStuntman
Hahaha!! Your proposal of Gray for Acuna Jr is so stupid, it’s actually kinda funny!!! Machado ain’t signing with the Yankees… period!! If you’re actually a Yankees fan, and I doubt it, you’re clueless!!
Melchez
Then Ellsbury for trout.
Lol
odogfenway
Yes…three pounds of trout
thecoffinnail
I’m pretty sure the Yankees would jump on that.
stratcrowder
BAHAHAHAHA!!!
Christian Larsen
Somebody has been playing too much MLB The Show franchise on force trades. Anthopoulos would instantly get fired for even thinking about this
tomv824
Yet another delusional Yankee fan or a teenage troll post. this is by far the stupidest post I’ve seen by a yankee fan… Hey the Braves aren’t trading Acuna, especially for Gray.
chino31
You’re an idiot for even responding with a comment
xabial
dionls, you disgrace the rest of us Yankee fans.
Oh wait, ur not a NYY fan. Only fool the feeble minded
Codeeg
Stick to basketball please. This is a terrible take as you can tell by the reaction.
steelerbravenation
Are you on drugs ???
AlvaroEspinoza 2
Yum, DRUGS!!!!!!!!
Dutch Vander Linde
Unless Jeter is the owner, they’re not getting Acuña that cheap.
JKB 2
Why? You think Jeter would give away Acuna cheaply?
Keep crying about Stanton. Get over it
southbeachbully
Anyone who follows their NBA rumors site would now this is perfectly in keeping with Sr dionls
Please go about your day.
doxiedevil
Gray for Acuna’s socks maybe…lol
Wildboyz
Dionis must work for Trade Rumors, he generates more huts and comments than most of the writers.
ncaachampillini
You… are a putz.
newyorkyankee7
I’m a Yankee fan and I had to laugh at that!
Harry pness
Dionis 1 mlbtr readers 0
kimball0401
Or you can avoid a potential superstar and face of you organization
rhymo
I’ve thrown up multiple times after reading and rereading this article seeing if this is real life
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
This is the time of year when self-styled GM wannabees wearing rose-colored glasses suggest a trade that will assuredly put their team in the World Series. Not wishing to be outdone by this group, and as a Phillies fan, let me suggest several trades I would make if somehow the Phillies ownership group names me GM today.
1. Nick Pivetta and JP Crawford to the Nats for Max Scherzer and Trea Turner.
2. Carlos Santana and Maikel Franco to the Cubs for Anthony Rizzo and Kris Bryant.
3. Odubel Herrera and Nick Williams to the Angels for Mike Trout.
4. Scott Kingery and Aaron Altherr to the astros for Jose Altuve and George Springer.
5. Zach Eflin and Vince Velasquez to the Giants for Madison Bumgarner.
6. Cesar Hernandez to the Indians for Francisco Lindor.
There, that ought to do it. And Phillies fans will be pleased that I did all this and didn’t have to include Andrew Knapp. No doubt my GM contract that calls for big bucks is already in the mail.
bobtillman
YOU’RE HIRED!!! Now we can all put on our funny hats, get into our tiny cars and drive to the circus……
acarneglia
Oh god not a Dionis fan account
Phanatic 2022
Crack is good heroin is better… combining them will rot your brain
HalosHeavenJJ
I’d really like to see Gray as an Angel. Get him into AL West ballparks and he’ll rebound a bit.
Just worry about the acquisition cost if a bidding war starts.
andrewgauldin
I’ll bet money he goes back to Oakland, to Anaheim, or to San Diego.
SoCalStuntman
I agree!!!
bleacherbum
Me three
justin-turner overdrive
Jorge Mateo gives the Yanks INF depth too, which they dont have at the AAA level. Gray-Mateo straight up makes so much sense it hurts.
nste23
I’d jump up and down if that happened.
justin-turner overdrive
with joy or anger?
rivera42
Nah, pass.
As far as INF depth… Torreyes, Wade, and Estrada.
HalosHeavenJJ
Dodgers as a dark horse? They could lose Ryu, have injury concerns in the rotation. Gray’s dependable and his salary is nothing for them.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
I don’t see it. Ryu is not turning down a QO. That QO pretty much will disturb his market. With that said they basically will line up Buehler, Kersh, Hill, Ryu, Maeda, Wood (I believe he gets churned), Strip, Urias, Santana, Ferguson…..That’s basically without throwing a potential wildcard in there like White figuring it out. You get my drift. I’m not debating his track record and whether he can be better than the bottom half, and I don’t think the Yankees philosophy helped him, but it’s sort of redundant. If they hypothetically make a trade seems like it’d have to a TOR or an optionalable young SP. It’s going to be interesting, because of the major roster crunch they’ll try to maneuver through this offseason.
newyorkyankee7
So while everybody is having a good time with this Bellinger for Gray sounds about even!!!!!! Bellinger can platoon at 1b and that allows yanks to trade Bird and Ellsbury for Trout!!!
deweybelongsinthehall
Three big parks but two hitters stadiums as well. Gray seems like a NL pitcher who would benefit from not facing a DH most nights.
dionls
After manny, if they sign Bryce, they could afford to trade and OF.
Add another pitcher… Kluber for hicks?
adshadbolt
Hicks is the only one they can’t trade they need someone to play center
c1234
@dionls
You are closer this time on your stated proposal but at the same time not even close…
southbeachbully
Aside from whether the trade makes sense in terms of value, who would then take over in CF for a championship caliber team? Are you doubting Hicks’ ability? Or are you thinking that the Yanks need SP more than a top CF and that they should muddle thru the year with some mix of Gardner, Harper and Frazier playing CF?
For the record, I think it would be crazy to trade Hicks as he’s a potential 6 WAR guy who’s cheap, and offensively and defensively capable. Also, the other CF options would be dicey in terms of defense and create greater physical wear and tear on others.
Harry pness
Dionis 2 mlbtr readers 0
thecoffinnail
I can absolutely see the Yankees chasing Kluber or Carrasco. But, not for 1 year of Hicks. It’s gonna take something like Sheffield, Florial and a sweetener like Frazier to get one of them. They both come with additional cheap years of control and Cleveland is going to want young high ceiling talent in return. They spent 1st round picks on Frazier and Sheffield in the past. So, they are a known commodity and Florial is just about the only highly regarded Yankees prospect that isn’t a RHP (they do have the catcher Seigler they took in the 1st round this year but he won’t help Cleveland in the next year or 2 when their window is open). It will hurt but I can see Cashman making that trade.
thecoffinnail
I know most people view Andujar as the best trade chip the Yankees currently have. However, I think his defense is so bad he is too similar to a young Pedro Alvarez. Hopefully, he works hard on his footwork this offseason and becomes just a bit below average defender. The chances of him becoming passable at 3rd probably are not very high. I am sure his coaches in the minor leagues knew about his defensive shortcomings and have worked tirelessly with him in the past and DH is probably his future position sooner rather than later. With his biggest flaw being his footwork I don’t think a move to 1st will help much. He will still have to field similarly hit balls on that side. Just not as often. I don’t think his value is more than a solid mid rotation candidate and known commodity like Sheffield would be to the Indians in headlining a Kluber/Carrasco swap.
jonnyrockets92
I think a Gray+Bird trade is in the horizon. Would like to see a more solid rotation and bring back Happ to the mix
eileenyankees9
I read on one of the sport pages today that Cashman
has to decide whether to resign CC OR HAPP, that one was an emotional choice while the other was a more
practical choice!!
What do you guys think?
yanks02026
If he had to pick between CC or Happ, you 100000000% go with happ.
eileenyankees9
Yanks,
I, of course agree 200%
That’s the way to make us Yankees Fans so happy including Hal becos that is the way to stop Boston from winning, lmao
deweybelongsinthehall
Probably not so simple Eileen. One is 3 or better, other is a 4 at best. Cost in both dollars and years will also be different. Whether Cash does either, neither or both probably depends on their other moves.
eileenyankees9
Hia Dew,
you always make sense,
so I will take note. and
Thanks, and hope all is well!
xSpecBx
What would stop them from signing both? Gray can’t pitch consistently in NY so trading him seems like the best option. A combination of signing Corbin, CC and Happ would fill out your starting rotation and then you have Montgomery coming back from TJS and others in the minors to cover when someone goes down with an injury. Corbin, Severino, Happ Tanaka and CC sounds like a pretty solid starting rotation with depth in the minors. Obviously comes down to what Happ and Corbin are looking for, but seems like a workable solution.
dobsonel
Happ is by far the better option although he might command more years than Cashman is comfortable with.
eileenyankees9
Dob, the article stated
3 years at 15M a year.
What the heck is wrong with them.
They are doing an emotional
bit, the same ole crap!
dobsonel
Which article are you referring to?
eileenyankees9
Dob,
I have the MLB app, and it gives you all the news on every team, All their
stats. etc, had it for
years. I get all the alerts too
southbeachbully
That sounds bizarre to me. Unless, Cashman and Hal view CC and Happ as 5th man pitchers which for Happ would be crazy.
If the inference is that the Yanks can only afford one or the other then that would seem outrageous, especially since CC can be had on a relatively cheap 1./$0 deal whereas Happ should command a 3 year deal imo.
I call bs. None such has been said. Let’s move on!!
eileenyankees9
If I could copy and paste it to you southbeach. I would.
Of course it doesn’t make sense. I couldn’t believe what I was reading, and the fact
Trashman said that CC wants to end his career in NY which we all know, well I want to win Powerball???
He is running his team now on sentiment, Gardy, CC, the heck with the WS and Boston
eileenyankees9
Ok, when I was walking down each isle in the supermarket
this morning,
I was wondering what to cook tonight, and also wondering what story I would make up for you SBBULLY!
billysbballz
One or the other makes sense to me. Similar pitchers. Happ has better stuff at his age but not 3 years worth.
Gray will be packaged with a mid level prospect (think Chance Adams) or two and maybe a bad contract for a pitcher.
yankeeschamp2019
since everyone else is throwing out crazy trades and taking your premise how about gray, adams, luis medina, Trevor Stephens and us paying 75% of ellsbury contract for Kluber.
deweybelongsinthehall
LOL. Unless a team strongly believes in Adams who did not impress this year (as a Sox fan, is he another Henry Owens? way too early to tell). For Kluber, the Indians will want Adams, Sheffield + more. Ellsbury has to prove he’s healthy before any playoff team takes a flyer. Roster spot is worth more than salary net cost. Could see Hicks in that deal if there was a match with the team then getting Hamilton from the Reds. Very hard today to do a trade amongst playoff teams.
yanks02026
They need to stop… CC had a good year but its time to move on from him, just like they should have moved on from Gardner but they didn’t.
Old User Name
Considering that they don’t know about Frazier’s health yet, it isn’t that bad of a signing. I agree it’s time to move on from CC.
eileenyankees9
Joe.
I think Frazier is still a bit out of it, what a shame.
Old User Name
Eileen… unfortunately I think you’re right.
Rbase
Why? Over the last 3 seasons, CC has averaged 160 innings and a 3.76 ERA. Among all pitchers who have pitched at least 400 innings since the start of 2016 he is 25th in ERA, ahead of guys like Price, Tanaka, Porcello, Teheran….
No, he isn’t an ace anymore, but certainly worth the money they paid him this season (1/$10MM). They can easily slot him in the number 4 spot, sign/trade for a better pitcher as their no. 3 and let Adams/German/Sheffield fight it out for the final rotation spot.
justin-turner overdrive
shh leave these people alone, they know not what they speak. CC is very good (2.5 fWAR – thats solid #3 numbers) and very cheap ($10ish mill on a 1 year deal) and has been there before. Yankee fan lunacy breaks out worse if you fan the flames.
southbeachbully
If possible, I’d like the Yanks to sign 3 SP with CC the 5th starter. Let Sheffield, Loisaiga, German and Adams start at AAA, There’s bond to be a need.
JustOnePitch
I think CC is good fit for the 5 spot. I would like to see Corbin and a trade (Kluber/Carrasco/Ray/Greinke) for the other spots. I think Happ makes a good back up plan if a trade doesn’t work. Have Sheffield, Adams, and Monty(once healty) waiting for the inevitable injury. German will be the next bullpen beast!
eileenyankees9
Yanks02,
Excuse me for dreaming now, but in this dream I see Sanchez for Real. the Marlins catcher, Cory K, Happ, Corbin, wait, I’m still dreaming…
southbeachbully
Why pass on CC until you secure better? We need to stop acting like we’re the Rays. If we can sign/acquire 3 guys better than CC then fine. However, he’s only going to sign a 1 year deal and if 2019 is the year he falls off the earth then you cut bait and move on. Otherwise, show me better.
As for Gardner, they have moved on. They’ve moved on in terms of expecting him to be an every day starter. I can guarantee you the Yanks will prioritize finding a LF via FA, trade or in-house (Frazier).
JustOnePitch
Agreed. I love me some Gardy, but I only see him getting 350ish plate appearances. The Yankees will do their best to add a potent left handed bat after they add some pitching. Once the lefty bat is added, the position side of things will start to take shape. But what do I know, I can’t even run a blog??
deweybelongsinthehall
He’d just be insurance as a #5. Could do a lot worse. Can also see C.C. in Flushing if the Yanks move on.
nyy42
No thanks CC… Move on already.
eileenyankees9
Nyy,
How many play off games in the past few years has he help us with, wait my adding machine is right here!
Yanks2
What happened to Jordan Montgomery? He’s easily a better pitcher and cheaper than CC
dobsonel
Tommy John
eileenyankees9
Edit: Helped
dave1775
No way I’m sick of CC he’s to old and fat. Come on let’s move on already.
eileenyankees9
LOL
southbeachbully
Great!!! Please find us a suitable young and svelte starter who we can count on for a 150 IP at about a 3.80 ERA……for a 1 year $10 mil deal.
dave1775
Waste of money idiot. Rather have a kid as the 5th starter then his lard a$$. Jesus move on already what are you holding on to?
dionls
As for CC, he is trash and replaceable. If he won’t take 1yr and NO more than 20mil than I say more on. He is a legend, but I don’t think Yankees should spend too much more than that
eileenyankees9
Dion,
8m
dobsonel
I would assume it would be the same one year contract plus incentives that he just completed or lower. Not sure why you think they’d give him more than last year and I’m sure he doesn’t expect it.
eileenyankees9
dob. 8m
southbeachbully
Dionis…..he signed a 1/$10 mil deal last year. He knows his market. I’m sure he would sign for the exact same.
johnrealtime
This is obvious intentional trolling. Move along everyone
Harry pness
Dionis 3 mlbtr readers 0
bigturtlemachine
The Reds likely will at least make a run at Sonny Gray. Derek Johnson was his pitching coach at Vanderbilt and Cincinnati has made adding starting pitching a priority. The Reds also have vowed to increase payroll.
hiflew
Great minds think alike.
hiflew
Gray would fit perfectly with the Reds. It’s still a hitter’s park, but there would be less pressure on him and he could be the ace of the staff like he was in Oakland instead of the #4 or #5 starter in NY. Gray for Billy Hamilton maybe.
Red X
Gray to the Reds almost makes to much sense as long as the Reds and Yankees can work something out. I love Billy Hamilton but the Reds need pitching and we would loose something in CF but it would be worth it. I’d probably do that, the question is will ownership let Williams and Company do it?
NuckBobFutting
Would not be surprised if Pirates are in on Gray
Old User Name
I hope not. The Yankees usually get hosed when dealing with Pittsburgh.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Ivan Nova for Sonny Gray.
Best offer.
justin-turner overdrive
Sonny Gray for Jorge Mateo straight up lets lock it in
deweybelongsinthehall
Memo to Steve Adams: Please delete these comments and re-post the article.
Phillies2017
What would gray cost?
Old User Name
Lottery ticket players. The Yankees already have a numbers crunch on the 40 man roster. I don’t think he’ll bring back real big league help so no need to create more roster problems.
stan lee the manly
Sonny Gray for Corey Seager. Add in Kershaw to shed some additional salary.
Cam
Pass the pipe.
stan lee the manly
Only if Bellinger is holding it, he’s coming over too when the Yanks include Bird.
Yanks2
Trade Sonny Gray, Clint Frazier, and Giancarlo Stanton for Walker Buehler and David Freese
eileenyankees9
I just hope the poor kid, Gray does well WHEREVER
he goes,
I felt so bad for him!!
Tenn Braves
Gray and Frazier to ATL for Terehan and Fried.
billysbballz
Nahhhh take out Frazier and replace him with a fringe prospect to get that done!
Tenn Braves
Frazier can still be a fringe prospect. Plus he’s from Georgia and his family are big Braves fans. Hes still got good value, just need to check out the concussion issues.
driftcat28 2
Hate to say it but CC should be low on the priority list. Cashman should start with Corbin and then Happ. I’d prefer Cashman look into resigning Robertson and/or Miller to keep the pen strength. Even look into what a Kluber package looks like. Then after all that, if there’s room, look to see if CC fits
eileenyankees9
Drift.
Now you’re talking
Amen
Le Grande Orangerie
Sonny Gray for Troy Tulowitzki straight up. Who says no?
justin-turner overdrive
Tulo is owed 3/$38M if you buy out the ’21 option, 3/49 if not. Sonny is owed probably something like 2/20 at most. Yankees would be idiots to take on Tulo’s money if it’s “straight up” like you say. Maybe give the Yankees Rowdy Tellez and Gurriel to even out that money.
Le Grande Orangerie
But Tulo is an All-Star shortstop with two years left to fill in for Didi. His $38 million pales in comparison to the cost of Manny. A power righthand bat and GG defence.
its_happening
Jays would do that deal in a heartbeat.
Pab
Lol. I play more games than Tulo. Are you trying to find out which ss plays less games?
Soldierofgod619
Cory Spangenberg for Sonny Gray. Gray goes to a more pitcher friendly NL west and Yankees get a LH utility bat with above avg speed and can play 2b and some 3b
justin-turner overdrive
Spangenberg is total garbage, Gray was actually good everywhere but Yankee Stadium last year. Sonny Gray for Robbie Erlin and a prospect might work with SD.
ChiSoxCity
Why would any team have interest in trading for Gray? You’d basically have to pay me to take him.
julyn82001
Sonny back to Oakland period. Billy Beane can offer a couple of class A prospects to get it done. A’s Bob Melvin and staffs will bring Gray back out of his recent bad times…
scottaz
Yankee fans…what about Zack Greinke, plus a bad contract, Yasmany Tomas for Gray and bad contract Jacoby Ellsbury? If this seems like a framework for a trade, what else would the Yankees have to kick in?
eileenyankees9
Scott,
Zach Cranky will not pitch in NY. he would be another Gray
Bcap1983
I see the Yanks signing Machado, playing him at SS till Didi comes back and also signing or trading for a stop gap 3B. Andujar gets traded along with Frazier to add a top SP, Kluber or they revisist talks with the Mets.
Or maybe they just do what they did 10 years ago and sign Corbin, Machado and Harper. Not what I’d want or expect but nothing would surprise me.
stansfield123
Okay, so in an entirely unrelated exercise, let’s pick three major leaguers at random, and see what their bWAR was in the last three years:
Brett Gardner: 11.1 bWAR
CC Sabathia: 7.3 bWAR
Bryce Harper: 7.5 bWAR
Hmmmmmm….what’s money well spent? $7M to the dude with the 11 WAR? $5-8M to the dude with the 7.3 WAR? Or $300+M to the big flashy star with the 7.5 WAR?
jdgoat
Now do fwar! Bwar is not the superior one, and there’s no way you can argue it’s close between those three. Harper is 10 times the player of both
Cam
A couple of important points:
By fWAR, Gardner has had 8.9 over prior three years. Harper has had 11.3.
Expand it to prior four years, and Harper leads 20.6 to 11.4. Harper has also had 113 less PA’s in that span.
Gardner is 35 years old, Harper is 26. One will produce significantly more than the other going forward – they’re not paying for past production, they’re paying for future production.
Also, Harper’s WAR has been significantly impacted by defensive numbers, due to being played out of position. He has played 1,333 innings in CF over the last four years, compared to Gardner’s 781. Harper actually has a positive rating in RF across multiple metrics – the position he SHOULD be playing.
Anything else to add?
billysbballz
Take out Tomas. That’s too much bad money coming back for two years of Elsbury who the Yanks got a full year of insurance money for last season.
scottaz
Elsbury is due almost $48M over 3 years ($21+M x 2 yrs plus a $5M buyout year).
Yasmany Tomas is due $32.5M over 2 years.
Yankees would save $15.5M by swapping those two bad contracts.
stansfield123
Ellsbury is insured, and firmly planted on the DL. The Yankees aren’t paying his salary. He also doesn’t take up a roster spot. Only possible problem is that the Yanks will have to pay a couple of mill. extra in luxury tax because of him.
So why would they be interested in taking on an ineffective player they would actually have to pay, AND spend a roster spot on?
If they’re trading Ellsbury to Arizona, they’re trading him for someone they actually need. That would be Greinke. I think an almost straight up swap would make sense (with the Yankees giving up a little bit in either prospects or money, and of course paying the $5M 2021 buyout that’s not insured on Ellsbury)
billysbballz
Bro you nailed it! Great post and 100% accurate regarding Elsbury.
scottaz
Cashman announced last month that Ellsbury will be healthy for Spring Training. You are operating under dated information. Does a healthy Ellsbury, taking up a roster spot and earning a salary just over $21M, fit into the 2019 Yankees OF plans?
scottaz
Yankee fans…what about this trade scenario? 3b Jake Lamb, SS Chris Owings and DH Yasmany Tomas for bad contract Jacoby Elsbury?
Nooffseason
I am expecting major shade for this one:
what about Voit, Gray, and Ellsburry for Votto?
Yanks need SPing and a dynamic left handed bat. Machado’s injury history scares me and Harper’s numbers have headed in the wrong direction. A traditional middle-of-the-order bat is needed, of the I’ll of a Votto.
After the pitching, I would love to see the Yanks pursue 1) Daniel Murphy; 2) Joey Votto; or 3) Robbie Cano (in that order).
stansfield123
The numbers make some sense, but Votto and Ellsbury both have to agree to any trade. You might be able to convince Votto to accept a move, but definitely not Ellsbury.
Ellsbury is from Arizona. That’s why there is speculation about a trade to the D-backs. There’s no real chance he can be traded anywhere else. Certainly not to Cincinatti. Why would he say yes to that? And in a high profile trade like this, where the locals are gonna be upset about losing Votto and getting nothing in return?
Nooffseason
1) Playing time
2) Locals get a young player with upside, a young starter at value who should benefit from pitching in the national league, and out from under a contract that has limited the team’s flexibility. Concerning Ellsburry, he need not be included; it just made more sense numbers wise. A prospect can be included as an alternative or as an addition.
justin-turner overdrive
Votto has said he’s a 1-team player, and he can veto any trade.
Please do some research before wasting everyones time like this.
Nooffseason
Vetoes have been waived and statements retracted. To your point, maybe improbable, but to mine, not impossible.
Pab
Haha keep dreaming. I like how all these trades are yank positive. Like the other teams are blindly saying yes. Why would as ever take a similar amount of contract for a lesser productive player? Why would a player who says he’d want to stay on one team and has a no trade clause. Say yes? Ridiculous trades. People need to really get an idea how it benefits the other team. Umm trade for trout and we’ll give you a bag of peanuts.
Nooffseason
Yeah because trades that favor one team talent wise never happen. Uh hmm, Stanton for Castro. And players who qualify their statements about staying with one team never get traded. Gonzalez, Verlander and the list goes on. I agree, there are some unreasonable trade suggestions. The one I proposed is not one of them, especially if a prospect is included. The legitimate issue with the trade, is not the one my myopic responders have identified, it is that Votto’s contract is widely viewed as untradeable, i.e. team’s are reluctant to pay a 42 year old $20+ million. It
⚾The Heater from Van Meter⚾
Gray to the Dodgers with one million international signing money for;
#9 Will Smith c/2b
#20 Caleb Ferguson LHSP
stansfield123
The Dodgers went to the WS. I’m a Yankee fan, but still, technically, going from the ALDS loser to the WS loser is a promotion.
I don’t see a promotion in Sonny Gray’s near future. Especially since the Dodgers also just reset their luxury tax, so they can afford to compete with the Yanks for the top free agents on the market. Why would they take the Yankee leftovers instead?
justin-turner overdrive
Because Gray is cheap and was good everywhere else but Yankee stadium last year, and has a history dating back with Oakland where he was always good. If Gray is your 5th SP, you are probably winning 100 games.
Blue_Painted_Dreams_LA
The Dodgers have no need for Gray. The SP depth is pretty deep. And a year of Gray it’s a meh proposition. Plus that’s a power arm they can turn to during the final months of the season should they decide to stretch Ferguson out. Seems like a pretty easy no from the Dodgers.
Bubba 5
Of course teams are calling about Gray. Cashman wants to trade him so he has to create a buzz. He isn’t stupid. Well let me think about that one. Yes he did give Ellsbury 153,000,000 so cancel that last statement.
slider32
Fool me once, I don’t see Cashman going down the road with either Harper or Machado. I think they just sign an infielder like Lowrie. I can see them signing Corbin and trading for another starter.
bravesfan
Braves gonna be the dark horse team for Gray. Calling it now!
tigerfan1968
Jays could offer Kevin Pillar and Russell Martin. Jays absorb most of Martin’s 20 million salary.
Drewnasty
CC lives in NJ full time. He hasn’t lived in California in nearly a decade and when he did live in California, the distance from Anaheim to his home is the same distance between New York City and North Carolina. It’s not close.
This narrative is stupid and this site keeps pushing it for some reason. It’s really uninformed and this site should be better.
elscorchot
Think gray makes a lot of sense for the marlins. No pressure and back to the nl
Caleb Clark
sonny gray to new york. no, not yankees the mets.
coocoo
Bring back Girardi
spitball
Carrasco, Kluber and encarnacion for Gray, Andujar, Voit, and Sheffield