Star right-hander Noah Syndergaard has drawn trade interest this offseason, but if the Mets do deal him, it’s not going to be for a package of prospects, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports (subscription required). Rather, because the Mets aim to contend in 2019, they’d need to make a trade that improves their roster both now and in the future, according to Rosenthal. Moving Syndergaard would likely cause significant damage to the Mets’ rotation heading into 2019, though, so they’d almost have to sign a replacement in free agency, Rosenthal notes. To this point, the Mets have been “very engaged in the marketplace,” a representative for a free-agent starter tells Rosenthal.
Syndergaard’s not the only established Mets hurler whose future is in question, per Rosenthal, who adds that all of their starters are generating interest. Syndergaard’s fellow ace, National League Cy Young winner Jacob deGrom, isn’t going anywhere, sources tell Rosenthal. The rest of the Mets’ rotation – which consists of Zack Wheeler, Steven Matz and Jason Vargas – isn’t as impressive, though Wheeler and Matz are appealing. Wheeler, healthy for the first time since 2014, is coming off a terrific season, but he only has a year of control remaining; Matz is an injury-prone lefty who was a mixed bag in 2018, but he’s still just 27 and has three years of control left; Vargas, meanwhile, endured a disastrous 2018, and with a guaranteed $10MM left on his contract, the Mets may be fortunate to find a taker for him. However, as with Syndergaard, the Mets’ goal in giving up any of Wheeler, Matz or Vargas would be to better themselves in the near and long term, Rosenthal writes.
More rumblings from Rosenthal…
- Even though the Rangers’ rotation is perilously thin, the rebuilding club would likely trade its top starter, left-hander Mike Minor, for the right offer, Rosenthal suggests. Minor’s drawing interest on the heels of his first season in Texas, which signed him to a three-year, $28MM guarantee last December. When he joined the Rangers, Minor was coming off an excellent season as a full-time reliever for the Royals, but he returned to a starting role in 2018 and posted a 4.18 ERA/4.43 FIP with 7.57 K/9 and 2.18 BB/9 over 157 innings (28 starts). Minor has an affordable $19MM left on his contract, though his 10-team no-trade clause could block some prospective suitors from acquiring him.
- After a drawn-out search, the Orioles finally named a general manager, Mike Elias, whom they hired Friday. Elias is now seeking a manager for the Orioles, and it’s “more likely” he’ll hire an experienced skipper than a neophyte, Rosenthal relays. However, Elias isn’t necessarily aiming to make a high-profile hire, per Rosenthal, who writes that the O’s next manager could be a “caretaker.”
swanhenge
I dont know why people keep dredging up these trade speculations. He isnt going anywhere.
swanhenge
Seriously, go get Ramos, Brach and Pollock. The Mets would be right there in the NLE.
Michael Chaney
Those guys have all had fairly major injuries in the past though, and the Mets don’t really have a great track record of keeping guys healthy
swanhenge
I’ll give ya that. Regardless, I think they could be only a couple players away.
baseballpun
If the Mets could actually cobble together an offense around that rotation, the East would be pretty stacked.
lowtalker1
I bet he is
This agent gm will mess up the team and start selling by July
Samuel
Since the Mets GM has no track record at all, no one has any idea what he wants to do. His public statements and those leaked to the gossip mill reporters could be posturing as much as they could be honest. He has never dealt from this side of the fence in free agency; nor in trades. He has entered a world he has never been in. Good chance he gets eaten alive, as Preller did his first off-season.
Any speculation is silly.
gson
..because if someone is dumb enough to blow the socks down on the new GM, then they have to be ready to make the move.. however improbable..
MetsYankeesRedSox
Blow the Mets up
jakec77
Either blow them up, or go big (not Harper or Machado big). Two of the better relievers, best catcher you can get. A strong utility guy (Murphy would be interesting) who can be the starting 1B if Bruce can’t hack it, or who can slide into 2b if McNeil ends up being a mirage. Maybe a CF, although that depends on where Bruce is going to be deployed.
But no point lingering in the middle of the pack, the window is closing, if not in on winning this year then Syndergaard, Degrom, Wheeler should all be moved with an eye on 2020.
its_happening
Exactly. They need Noah to contend in 2019 along with the rest of that rotation. The Mets need at least a bat and a better defensive catcher. A bullpen arm or two also.
MetsYankeesRedSox
They won’t spend the money
padam
Well, yes and no. They’ll land somewhere around 150 after arb, but will have 30-40M via insurance money. New GM, and I don’t think he accepted the role (especially being a former agent) without some final commitment going forward – he’s not going to start out failing.
mikeyank55
And they have no middle talent nor
Prospects that are attractive.
mikeyank55
Hey padan-the insurance money is allocated to the Mutt and Jeff Brooklyn Dodgers memorabilia fund.
Slevin
That’s not how payroll works.
Marc (Phillies Phan)
I am writing sincerely here (not like the fans who always knock their rivals). I would think blowing it up would be better ONLY because the farm system is so bare and there are 3 pitchers with very high values. If the Mets’ farm system was better; I would definitely say go big. The Mets have a heck of a rotation, but going big now MAY set them up like the Os in 2021 or so.
Samuel
You’re a sharp poster (not only this latest one).
They’re already sitting on some bad contracts. They don’t have a decent catcher, SS or CF – the 3 most important everyday positions. Other then a healthy Cesepdes, all their OF’s are guys that should be played part-time by statistical matchup’s. If they move Bruce back to RF to play the rookie 1B, then you have butchers at 1B and RF. Frazier is passable @ 3B, McNeil @ 2B.
Two problems …
1. When a position player gets hurt, they’re in trouble – when 2 or 3 get hurt, they’re bailing. They have no depth.
2. That defense cannot possibly support a pitching staff.
Callaway and Eiland might be the best manager/pitching coach tandem in MLB. They did great their 1st year with the staff, and should continue to improve it – but the rest of the roster is a mess.
The Mets remind me of the White Sox going into 2015. They signed a bunch of veteran free agents such as Adam LaRoche, David Robertson, Geovany Soto, Jesse Crain, Brian Anderson, Melky Cabara and others to fill holes and give them depth.
I said at the time they didn’t have enough, and could get a large haul for Sale, Abreu, Quintana, Eaton, and others. But they held off the rebuild for a year or two, spent a lot of money, never competed, and got less back for those players then they could have.
As for these Mets – do they even have a quality scouting staff in place to analyze prospects? Or a quality minor league system to develop them? Based on results the past few years, they don’t. THAT’s where a professional GM would start. The Mets new GM has no experience at all in that.
The Mets are repeating the mistakes the 2015 Sox made, as well as so many FO’s such as Rubén Amaro, Jr. with your Phillies, the Tigers of a few years ago, etc.
hojostache
I read awhile back the mets have the smallest analytics team and lowest budget in the NL. They need major help to catch up to everyone else.
callingoutdummies247
Trade Noah for a major haul and include Vargas (save $10 mil) sign a second tier SP to replace like Kleuber on a one or two year deal. Then Dunn should be ready. Sign machado. Trade Rosario and others for Realmuto. Sign a couple of relief pitchers.
OMG!!! Why didn’t I send my resume to the Wilpons!!
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Rosenthal, who writes that the O’s next manager could be a “caretaker.”
Oh a ‘caretaker’ eh…. maybe a Jonathan Quayle Higgins III, VC type and Agatha Chumley could be the bench coach.
That would be marvelous
Where does Ken Rosenthal come up with these excellent ideas?
dimitrios in la
Didn’t read the whole piece from Rosenthal, but, yeah, “caretaker”?! Jeesh. Guess my mom is up for the job.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
Well Condi Rice could be the next Browns Coach, so maybe the Orioles could potentially do the same (well at least similar), it’s stylish
jbigz12
This managerial job is thoroughly unappealing. A “caretaker” is a good name for what the next hire is going to be. It’s going to be another bo porter type who gets axed before the team is any good.
petrie000
It’s actually a good choice of words for the role he’s trying to convey. The next gms job is going to be making sure nothing goes catastrophically wrong while they rebuild the farm.
Just because it’s a word most Americans don’t use often, doesn’t make it outdated
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
The next gms job is going to be making sure nothing goes catastrophically wrong while they rebuild the farm.
I think the Orioles can do better than this, they probably won’t, but they could
petrie000
They can, but why would they? The teams gonna be awful for the next three seasons and the manager will be the fall guy when the casual fans get frustrated by it.
It’s a coaching job with very low expectations in the short term, so the only way you’ll get a really good manager is to overpay, and it’s frankly wasted money since the closer to .500 he gets them, the longer the rebuild.
Obviously the front office will never admit any of that, but it’s the way all rebuilds go. the coach they start with is never the one they finish with
southi
This is NOT the Orioles of back in the day. There is no Ripken, DeCinces, Bumbry, Singleton, Murray, Dempsey, Palmer, Stone, or Flanagan. The team for years has been a mess and the front office seldom gets things right.
Do you really trust them to do better? I would think trying not to mess up further would be a HUGE improvement.
377194
Wheeler is becoming a helluva pitcher. I’d show him alota love.
cxcx
Right. And I love the “if they are to trade him it would be to become better both now and in the future.” Great strategy, Mets…you should make that your policy for all their players, they will either become the best team of all time if they find takers or everyone will just ignore them, they won’t make any trades, and they will continue to be mediocre.
Chucky25
Orioles should bring in Ron Washington on a 3 year deal
dimitrios in la
I take it your the owner of either the Yanks or Red Sox.
GareBear
Don’t know if Wash would want to over see that mess of a rebuild but O’s would benefit imo
acarneglia
Padres were interested in Syndergaard.
Maybe something like Thor for Myers, Mejia, and some other pieces.
I know the Padres wanted NS, Mets need a 1B and C, and Myers also can play the OF.
deSynmatzvey
those other pieces are gonna have to be a lot better because Myers and Mejia is so underwhelming
padam
It’s the equivalent to Myers and Hand. Not happening.
lowtalker1
Cool
Take out Mejia add in Getty’s pirela spang
Take out myers add Avila Asuaje austin Allen villy
lowtalker1
Since you Mets fan want the moon of crap
chino31
Mets need to unload come contracts to take on Myers. Bruce or Todd have to go with Thor in any trade with the Padres.
padam
Mets are getting insurance money on Cespedes, so not necessarily true. Same remains for Wright. As up to 30-40M.
G Vanlue
I think the issue with taking on Myers contract is not how much the Mets have available, but why they would take on his contract unless they were getting some kind of relief in return? At this point, his contract is not looking that good…
G Vanlue
Hard to believe Myers would excite the Mets, especially as a big piece in a Syndergaard trade. Mets did have terrible 1b production last year, but they have a top prospect possibly ready to step in and guys like Bruce, Flores, and Smith who can also fill in.
mikeyank55
The Mets top prospects are always overrated. Any that develop become a yo-yo for their start in the majors.
Besides, how many starts has Noah made:
2016:
2017:
2018:
The padres are not using Mets fans warped logic of, “yeah he was hurt last year. However if you double his stats for his half year performance you can see what he will do in a whole season”.
rocky7
Sorry, that sorry load isn’t going to get Sundergaard….
Why do Padres fans seem to want their team to be in on everybody without giving up anything really meaningful?
Must be that love affair with their ROCK STAR GM!!!!!!
YourDaddy
Why do Mets fans have such a love affair with a guy that has never pitched a full major league season and has just 32 starts in the last 2 seasons?
rocky7
Sorry, that sorry load isn’t going to get Syndergaard….
Why do Padres fans seem to want their team to be in on everybody without giving up anything really meaningful?
Must be that love affair with their ROCK STAR GM!!!!!!
Samuel
lol
In 2020, 2021, and 2022 Wil Myers is owed $22.5 mm per year.
This is Jacoby Ellsbury redux. That can’t play defense.
The Padres would have to include 2 quality young players with him in trade for a 30 year-old Class A player to get someone to take on that contract. Maybe more. Doubt they would find a trading partner.
Friarfaithful117
I agree the Padres would need to give up more but Myers is actually an above average fielder in LF by UZR and DRS. If the Mets are looking for players to contribute this season it would be a much more difficult for the Mets and Padres to match up.
G Vanlue
The Mets are already likely to have trouble finding AB for their corner OF, and two of them are young and cheap. Regardless of whether Myers is a passable or slightly above average LF, is he really enough of an upgrade that they should take on his contract?
Friarfaithful117
Well pretty much all your corner guys are LH. Conforto, Nikko, Bruce, and Smith all bat from the left side so Myers might be a good guy to plug in for tough lefties. He actually is a pretty good base runner too. Not saying he is worth is contact per se but he could help the Mets field a better team.
Friarfaithful117
Nimmo*
RedRooster
Myers is also making $22.5m a year starting in 2020. The Padres wouldn’t be able to trade him for anything without eating money, let alone trade him for someone like Thor.
Waitings The Hardest Part
More likely itll cost
Mejia
1 of Morejon, Baez or Patino
1 of Quantril or Nix or Lauer
Esteury Ruiz
Gabriel Arias
Josh Naylor.
I dont see padres parting with Tatis, Gore, Urias, Paddack. Which means theyll need to part with better secondary pieces and a higher quantity of them.
JKB 2
But Myers is also injury prone. At first base he has a better chance of being a useful chip but as for your trade proposal it would depend on those “other pieces” which would have to be significant to get 3 years of control over Thor
petrie000
If the Mets traded for Meija they’d still need a catcher…
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Padres have supposedly the best farm system in all of baseball. Mets should trade their best pieces and build for the future with stud prospects. They aren’t going anywhere this year with what they have, and we all know they aren’t gonna spend the cheese for a Machado or Harper. The Mets aren’t a disaster, but you don’t want to end up being another plain vanilla version of the Angels; a team that can hang around .500 most of the season enough to whet your playoff appetite, but in the end, it’s kaput!
steelerbravenation
I hope Orioles don’t go after Ron Washington
dimitrios in la
Thank you! Amen!
justin-turner overdrive
Washington left Oakland saying he’d only ever work for the Braves, because he lives there. Don’t think he’s ever going to leave ATL.
mt in baltimore
Please realize, of course, that Ken Rosenthal holds the Angelos family in contempt.
It will be a cold day in Hell for him to say any favorable about the Orioles.
dimitrios in la
Former reporter for the O’s. Still has connections in and around Baltimore but not relevant to me for my O’s coverage.
justin-turner overdrive
Name one thing the Orioles have done for him to say something favorable about.
JKB 2
Good point by JTO. So what have the Orioles done that any reporter should be writing about?
petrie000
Doesn’t everyone who follows baseball have the same general opinion of the Angelos family?
steelerbravenation
Mets with that staff is not that far off. Conforto was rushed back he was not 100% last year to start the year. Jay Bruce can bounce back and Todd Frazier even though old he can’t be that bad. The 2nd baseman looks like a player and Alonso is a top prospect and you expect him to succeed at some level.
With that I feel they sign Maldonado, trade for Broxton, sign Miller, Justin Wilson, Ottavino & E. Santana.
I think Wheeler would be able to get Broxton.
pinstripes17
Wheeler is much more important to the Mets than the bust Broxton.
jbigz12
You’re killing me. They could trade jerry Blevins or insert XXX AAAA guy here and get Broxton. I don’t know why the hell you think this guy is valuable. He is an absolute K machine who can play defense.
Lefty Grove’s right hand
Does Syndergaard have a fear of costume characters? He looks at Mr. Met with dread in his face. He must’ve had a bad childhood moment at Disneyland or something.
padam
Biggest detriment to the Mets has been injuries and three bad signings – Bruce, Vargas and Walker. You reverse those and the Mets have a decent team with money to spend – and Thor wouldn’t even be trade talk. The next few moves are going to be critical in determining which way they go without further damage.
G Vanlue
Walker? Do you mean Frazier? Honestly, his contract is not that bad. You’re right that Bruce and Vargas have not worked out, but even if they don’t rebound they’re not signed for that much longer.
padam
Yes, thanks for the correction. Bruce for two years and Vargas for one year is two and one years more than needed/wanted right now. $23M better spent elsewhere.
turner9
So the new Bal GM is looking for an experienced manager
There has to be a joke to be made about the Orioles bringing back Showalter
I’m just not funny enough to make it
loco 2
Honestly the Mets and Yanks should do a Gray, Florial, Adams for Noah or deGrom trade. Get current SP who would be fine in NL, get future #3/4 SP and future CF (deGrom would cost them another prospect like Abreu)
justin-turner overdrive
in your dreams, yankees fan
rocky7
Guess all yours are nightmares——how’s your boyfriend Mateo troll!
justin-turner overdrive
Oh great, a homophobic comment from a truly garbageperson troll yankees fan, would expect no less. Mateo was YOUR #1 prospect at one point, you should love him too.
Slevin
Vegas baby!
Marc (Phillies Phan)
loco, as a Phillies fan I approve that deal. I am not sure though that is very fair – though Sonny Gray may be OK at Citi Field.
jbigz12
Yeah honestly everyone should give the Yankees an ace for their trash and Florial. im surprised teams aren’t lining up to do so.
justin-turner overdrive
Syndergaard for Realmuto straight up, who says no? Or maybe a 3-team deal so Thor goes to the 3rd team and prospects go to Miami?
Or Miami could just flip Thor much like they did with Piazza back in the day and get at least 2 of any contenders top 5 prospects. Sounds like a imperfect but perfect match.
baseballpun
If Miami was going to compete in the window they would have Syndergaard, they’d just keep Realmuto.
justin-turner overdrive
Is this a troll? I made it clear Miami would not be keeping Thor, just flipping him for prospects – also said 3-team deal. Why write when you didn’t read?
baseballpun
Are you as big an a-hole in real life as you are on MLBTR?
Marc (Phillies Phan)
baseballpun – I hope he is not.
JKB 2
And baseballpun made it clear that trading those two straight up makes no sense for Miami and it does not.
Why would they trade Realmuto for Noah to trade Noah for prospects when they can trade Realmuto for prospects?
They are supposed to help the Mets first then trade for prospects?
How is that position disagreeing with you trolling?
mikeyank55
Derek says no. Unless he can can Wagon Wheel to the cleaners there’s no deal.
rhymo
Mets just need to trade Tebow for a few established major leaguers and they’ll be fine. Tebow is their best trade piece not Noah
Josh Kaufman
There is reality, and there is sheer delusion.
The Mets will not be in contention next season and just need to tear it down and build back up, just like every other team in the majors that has seen success has done.
You guys in here are living in a fantasy land. Pitchers nowadays are insanely fragile and I would much rather build my team around hitters than pitchers.
Look at Kershaw. The guy came up young and showed you the shelf life of today’s MLB pitchers is about 6-7 seasons.
Billy Bean and Tampa know this. That is why every pitcher they have traded the past few years have gotten exponentially worse and worse over time. Just look at Chris Archer. He didn’t exactly pitch Cy Young baseball after being traded to the Pirates.
Look at the contenders in baseball.
Red Sox, Betts, JBjr, Yankees, Andujar, Judge, Houston… well 90% of their team is home grown.
Every top contender is building around hitters, not pitchers. Then when they believe they are contenders, they do similar to the Red Sox and do a big trade for a guy like Sale, Eovaldi, etc..
If you consider contending just making the playoffs only to lose to a team like the cardinals who are willing to give a guy like Harper $375m, or the dodgers who can pay for anyone, or the Braves who have an amazing lineup of young hitters that might one day be compared to Smoltz/Maddox/and Glavine.
Getting to the playoffs or a 1 game playoff isn’t succeeding. It’s like coasting through school with C’s just so you can graduate. You can get to that 1 game playoff with Cy Young guys, or a team of Rookies.
So sell when players have their most value. Stock up on minor league talent that can compete soon, but also allow you to trade for that piece that will allow you to trade for that last player you need.
“Contending in 2019” means you are at the very least in on the bidding for the big time free agents. If you aren’t, then you are just pandering to fans that hope for the best, but are getting screwed over by cheap owners and poor management, from top to bottom.
The biggest issue is that people are buying managements garbage.
You are still giving them money. And as long as you are still giving the Wilpons money, they will still trot out garbage like Vargas every 5th day, trade Mejia for nothing and then look for top tier bullpen help when every team needs it, and re-sign guys that don’t work anymore like Jay Bruce, and “focus” in on Mesoraco.
JKB 2
Josh Kaufman if you are looking for comments on your post try posting the cliff notes version
Josh Kaufman
Oh my bad. Didn’t know I was required to post in 140 characters like Twitter.
Big issues require big solutions. You can take the easy way out and not give a crap, or you can be a man and learn to read.
bleacherbum
If the Mets want pieces for now, the Padres only have a few that could step in and help today.
Some ideas that make sense to improve the Mets with also saving money to facilitate a Syndergaard trade by also moving money in the process.
Padres receive: SP Noah Syndergaard, 3B Todd Frazier plus all of his contract, OF Jay Bruce and the rest of his contract.
Mets receive: 1B/OF Wil Myers, CP Kirby Yates, RP Craig Stammen, SP- Eric Lauer, C Austin Allen.
Charles Keane
I would do that deal.
bleacherbum
It makes sense and checks a lot of boxes for both clubs.
The Padres acquire their Ace, they get their starting 3rd baseman and they get a LH hitting corner option to spell/Rotate with Renfroe and Reyes. This trade will make Jankowski trade-able and would allow Margot/Cordero to split CF duties.
The Mets add another bat to the lineup which they could either play at 1B or in LF/RF. They also replace the rotation vacancy by trading Syndergaard with Lauer, in which they would control for a while for cheap. Add Kirby Yates and Craig Stammen to the back of the bullpen and the Mets really shore that up. Lastly, Austin Allen is the left handed hitting catcher the future. He is ready now and could split time with Plawecki or T.D.
Just a thought but this trade could make some sense.
G Vanlue
Any proposals that don’t involve sending Myers to the Mets? Are Padres fans as eager to get rid of him as they seem?
Friarfaithful117
Some Padre fans are ready to move on but the main problem is we have too many COF’s. One of Renfroe, Myers, and Reyes probably gets moved this winter unless the team believes Myers can actually handle 3B.
RedRooster
Mets will not be taking Myers in a trade that involves them losing Thor. Negative trade value guys like Myers only get traded for other negative trade value guys.
jbigz12
You could make the argument that Frazier and Bruce are negative value guys as well but the money on those 2 deals still doesn’t equal Myers.
bbatardo
Padres and Mets would make sense as trade partners but I get the feeling Noah stays put
rdsfan05
I don’t know how either team would feel but
Reds get- Thor and Bruce plus all of his salary
Mets get- iggy schebler Barnhart and maybe add Robert stephenson
Reds get the ace they need plus a spot for Senzel and the Mets get the catcher they need replacement until cespedes gets healthy and a closer to compete plus a lotto ticket
Orioles46
I hope they bring in a coach like a Mike Matheny or someone to mentor this young pitching that ‘supposedly good’…