Both J.D. Martinez and Xander Bogaerts are likely to test free agency a year from now, writes Evan Drellich of NBC Sports Boston. Martinez has an opt-out provision in his five-year, $110MM contract with the Red Sox, and president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski gave no indication of interest in restructuring that deal, per Drellich. “He can choose to leave, it’s his opt out,” said Dombrowski. “But the reason we put ‘em in there were medically oriented as we went through at the time. That medical hasn’t changed.” Dombrowski is referring to medical provisions that were worked into the contract, allowing the Red Sox to convert the final two seasons of the deal into mutual options in the event that Martinez misses enough time due to a preexisting Lisfranc injury in his foot. As for Bogaerts, Dombrowski called his contract situation “important” for the team. Agent Scott Boras, meanwhile, told Drellich he’s “open to any thoughts [the Red Sox] have on the subject.” Asked about a recent extension for fellow client Jose Altuve, Boras pointed out that Bogaerts is two and a half years younger and also plays shortstop.
More from Boston…
- Boston’s interest in Japanese left-hander Yusei Kikuchi, who is expected to be posted for MLB teams later this month, can be described as “lukewarm,” reports WEEI.com’s Rob Bradford. Dombrowski declined to comment on Kikuchi at the GM Meetings, beyond indicating that as one of Japan’s top arms, he’s a pitcher the Sox have scouted frequently in the past (as have many MLB clubs). “Yes, we have a pulse on him,” said Dombrowski. Boston could theoretically look to add some arms behind its top trio of Chris Sale, David Price and Rick Porcello — especially considering Sale’s presence on next year’s free-agent market — but it doesn’t sound as though Kikuchi will be a prime target.
- In a pair of columns for the Boston Globe, Alex Speier looks at Boston’s payroll/luxury tax situation as well as the team’s poorly regarded farm system. There’s virtually no scenario in which the Sox will avoid another season of luxury tax penalization, Speier observes, making the question not one of if they’ll incur penalty but rather one of how steep a penalty they’re willing to accept. Boston went into the highest luxury bracket this season and will be taxed at the maximum rate while also seeing its top draft pick dropped by 10 spots. Principal owner John Henry tells Speier, “You can’t do that all the time,” but Speier notes that it’s not clear if the organization is willing to do so once more in 2019. From a distance, it’s worth noting that this is the final season of club control over Sale, Martinez and Bogaerts, so there’s a good case to be made for maintaining aggression (though that’s just my own two cents). As for the farm system, Speier notes that a survey of rival evaluators left no real consensus as to the team’s top prospect — a fact that serves to highlight the general uncertainty that permeates the farm. But, the Sox surely have the pieces to once again be active on next summer’s rental market, Speier notes while highlighting a particular concentration of interesting third base prospects.
Yanks2
Can JD opt out of his Boston contract and hope Boston offers him a better contract or can his own team not re sign him if he opts out?
NL_East_Rivalry
That is possible. I believe CC did that
xSpecBx
CC did it and Kershaw just did it. Use the opt out as leverage for an extension.
#Fantasygeekland
He’s fair game when he opts out… anyone can sign him. He’ll definitely get a raise.
ColossusOfClout
No such thing as “definitely” a year out. A lot can happen between now and then.
Codeeg
If he’s opting out it’s because he had a good enough season to warrant a raise.
heater
He’d be free to sign with any team including the Red Sox!
NicTaylor
Pretty sure that’s what Kershaw did this year with the Dodgers
DodgerBlue83
Kershaw never opted out. They extended the contract for a few days and then announced an extension. But yea it has been done before, notably A-rod.
deweybelongsinthehall
Sox face a decision. Do they go all in again and let mostly everyone walk, gearing up to sign Betts after 20? No way I see them going over the 2nd luxury tax phase three years straight.
RedRooster
Yes, he can sign with the Red Sox if he opts out. But he can also sign with any of the other teams.
clrrogers 2
Yes, he can opt out and then re-sign with Boston if they offer him a better deal. It’s been done before. I believe A-Rod did that with the Yankees once upon a time as well.
RedRooster
Seems like most players with opt outs who use them end up staying with the original team for more money. A-Rod, CC, Cespedes, etc.
genre99
JD Drew left LA.
deweybelongsinthehall
As a Sox fan, if it weren’t for one big playoff swing against the Indians, I’d be cursing you Genre99.
dimitrios in la
Yes A-Rod did—and it was a disaster for the Yanks. But I don’t think Boston will offer JD more than they have already.
deweybelongsinthehall
Dimitrios, as I wrote above it likely depends on what they do this coming year along of course with his health. This was his greatest year because he stayed on the field. I think Boston may be leading a change in short contracts other than Mookie if and when he signs. It gives an upper tier team flexibility while perhaps adding 15% or so to the yearly payroll. Theoretically, If Sale and Porcello leave and they don’t now get Eovaldi, they’ll need to spend on starting pitching. Very challenging to be a GM today. Glad many are now getting paid like a player.
stansfield123
If he opts out, he’s a free agent. And if he stays healthy and at all productive, he WILL opt out.
Ken M.
Strike now. Benny in LF. Mookie in Center. Harper in Right.
dynamite drop in monty
Juicy Pancakes
sidewinder11
What about JBJ? He was arguably their best player in the playoffs
Ken M.
Sell high.
mlb1225
Why though? You just won The WS, and you want to subtract your gold glove CF who hit pretty good for you in the playoffs?
Codeeg
An upgrade is an upgrade. Though they could always sign Harper to play first.
deweybelongsinthehall
How did Kiermaier win the CF defensive award yesterday playing in only 88 games? I hate saber metrics! MLB Network had I think Eric Byrne pushing Lorenzo Cain. I didn’t see enough of him this year? Did he really play the position better this year than JBJ?
deweybelongsinthehall
JBJ had big hits but so did Pierce, Benny and Holt. WS MVP also should have been shared with pitchers, Eovaldi and Price (also maybe Kelly). This was definitely a team championship.
deweybelongsinthehall
Never happen thank god. That’s admitting Mookie is gone after 2020.
mikeyank55
Hey Ken—check what they put in your coffee. Harper won’t be in right and the Sox need a closer too.
soxscelticspats
Go not want Harper on the Soxs period.
pasha2k
I agree
BobSacamano
You would take Harper over JDM after last year?!
Ken M.
JD is DH
deweybelongsinthehall
When JDM retires, if he wants to be a coach, can anyone see him as the Charlie Lau of the 2030s?
swanhenge
DD will be tested next off season. Teams like BOS dont get to go into rebuild mode. They risk losing Sale, X and JD after next season and neither of which is easily replaceable. I hope the warm fuzzies of being champs makes Sale/JD wanna stay
Kluber is a FA next season as is Goldy. I suppose if they wanna throw money at them it could be a less painful departure. Either way, they’re all in for 2019…champs or bust!!! Then just figure it out next off season. It’s good to be a fan of a major market team.
RunDMC
Kluber has 2 team options for ’20 (17.5MM) & ’21 (18MM) – 1MM buyouts both years, which with 3 controllable years is the reason CLE is looking at getting a nice haul for him.
WestCoastSoxFan
Porcello gone after next year, too. That’s another $20m off the books.
jb19
Bogaerts being 2.5 years younger than Altuve seems completely irrelevant… May as well say he’s nearly as tall as Troy Tulowitzki.
Ken M.
and where is Xander’s MVP trophy?
SKbreesy
It’s naive to think that age doesn’t play a part in contracts. Im not saying Xander is on the same level (or close to it) as Altuve, but money wise he could make close to that if not more, simply for being younger and playing a higher profile position.
Meow Meow
Player age is consistently a major consideration is professional sports.
jb19
It’s all relative. Altuve is a better player that needed option years bought out after an MVP season… Xander isn’t going to get $30 million a year from anyone. I don’t think he gets to $20 million…. but he’s certainly 2.5 years younger. He’ll be 3.5 years younger than Trout once Trout reaches free agency in 2019. Let’s not have that lost on anyone.
WestCoastSoxFan
Boras left out the part where Bogaerts isn’t nearly as good as Altuve.
z3rogs
This! LOL
deweybelongsinthehall
His job as an agent is only to praise what works. Age and the SS position over 2B since Altuve got his money already. It only still takes one stupid owner.
baseball365
Red Sox have a very peculiar near future calamity on their hands. J.D. will likely opt out, they truly have a free agent nightmare on their hands with all their young talent becoming free agents in the next season or two, who knows where Sale will wind up. Lucky for them lots of that dead money they’re still paying for over the last 4 years will come off the books this year and the next. I believe all that dead money is gone except for that Cuban guy (goes to show I can’t even remember his name – you know the guy they gave $72M too that never played baseball before).
They’ve done good. Won another WS, but their farm stinks and it’s just a perfect storm for a looming rebuild of the team. And no, this is not me just trolling the Red Sox fan base. This is the truth. They have real conundrum on their hands soon.
RedSox4Life4ever
Rusney Castillo….and his contract doesn’t count for luxury tax purposes.
deweybelongsinthehall
As much as love the Sox, the Castillo tax issue should be fixed. The grandfathering of the contract has hurt Castillo. He got his money but can’t play in the majors.
WestCoastSoxFan
You have it right. They are all in for 2019 with just about everyone back. After that, they will have to reset the tax in 2020 and figure out a way to sign Betts. I’m thinking Bogaerts, Sale, JDM & Porcello are probably ALL gone after next season. They won’t be rebuilding for long once the tax is reset.
B-Strong
Sadly I agree. I dont see then signing any of those guys mostly because I think theyre gonna go all in on Mookie when he hits FA. With Prices contract on the books for a while, it would be had to sign JD, Mookie, and Sale to the high AAV deals theyll want and still try to compete.
WestCoastSoxFan
I also have seen just about enough of Sale to be terrified of giving him 5+ years next Winter. I think we’ve probably seen his best by now. He might even be this dominant for another 2-3 years, but long-term I wouldn’t want to pay him top dollar. He just can’t be relied on.
ellisburks
With the money they free up with Hanley off the books this year and Panda off next year that is $36 mil or so they can spend. Also with Porcello gone that is $20 mil they can spread around to Sale, Betts etc. If they go internal with Barnes and Brazier as the late guys then they have even more money. Money is the least of the Red Sox concerns.
WestCoastSoxFan
They have plenty of money, but they will still owe a ton to Pedroia and Price even after next season.
Getting Hanley & Kimbrel(and Pomeranz) off the books is nice, but more of that savings will go to Arb raises to Betts, Bogaerts and a few others. Plus they still need to retool the bullpen and replace Kimbrel. They will have to totally reshape that roster over the next 2 seasons.
Salvi
Pedroia is only owed 40m over 3 years. while not small. It isn’t a “ton”.
Arb players you speak up are cheaper and only one year deals, compared to equal talented players already through arb.. And when they leave it frees up money to sign FAs.
Think some people are rushing the Red Sox demise. Jealousy stinks.
WestCoastSoxFan
You’re right. It isn’t a killer on Pedroia, but it is a waste of resources. Especially when you consider that they still owe Panda $23m. And Rusney still has $25M coming. And Price makes $31M+ over the next 4 years, too. It adds up fast.
As for the Arb guys, Mookie, Bogaerts and JBJ are due to make about $40m combined in 2019. They sure don’t have a lot of bargains on that roster anymore. They need some young/cheap talent to add to the mix.
deweybelongsinthehall
Pedroia was a long term decision. They saved considerable money the first couple of years.
Occams_hairbrush
Yes…the Red Sox are in big trouble. Oh no, what will us Red Sox fans do.
Rbase
If Jason Martinez is reading this: On Rosterrescource, the ‘Team Payroll’ button on the roster page of the Red sox links to the team information (a.k.a payroll) page of the Yankees.
The problem for Boston is that of these 3 players, Bogaerts is probably the most important to extend given that they have no other players to fill his position within their organization. Didi Gregorius is the only other everyday shortstop to reach free agency after next year.
stansfield123
I don’t see Didi reaching free agency. The Yanks like him way too much to let him do that.
Rbase
Me neither (unless they opt to sign Machado, which I would find very surprising as indeed Didi has been mentioned multiple times as the player that holds the team together). That’s why they absolutely need to extend Bogaerts to prevent creating a hole at SS. And with Porcello also reaching free agency after next year, they should be able to at least resign either Sale or JD as well.
Salvi
“The problem for Boston . . .”
Red Sox just won the World Series, again, Yankees haven’t in a while. I think Yankees have a few more problems.
jolink65
Why would the Yankees have problems? They’re set up very nicely for the future and this season was only Year 2 in the reconstruction. They weren’t even supposed to be serious contenders until at least Year 3. They still have a ton of talent in the minors and plenty of salary cap space to add several impact players. The Red Sox are way over the tax limit and have no talent coming up from the minors. That’s why Dombrowski is a terrible GM. He’ll build for the current year and completely ignore the future. Red Sox will be in trouble long term.
Occams_hairbrush
Yes, Dombrowski is horrible. Everything sure does look bad for the Red Sox. Oh no, this is awful.
bobtillman
They’re never going into a full rebuild mode. While everything you say is true, this is an ownership/FO that reacts and just doesn’t milk the fanbase with nonsense words like “tanking” and “rebuild”.
They’ve got issue; who doesn’t. But they’ll replace departing talent with similar types. They have both the money and imagination. Conceptually, you’re locked into sacrificing current performance for some imaginary window of opportunity
The only window of opportunity is today. The only season that matters is this one. 5-year plans (none of which ever work, do they?) are just marketing gibberish by owners who want their pockets instead of putting product on the field.
Like the Dodgers, they have both the opportunity (revenue) and ability (skill) to be competitive every year. So actually do most teams. The Sox (and L:A) simply don’t set up every year to fleece their fanbase.
stansfield123
You can’t be serious. Winning teams are built on farm systems. The Red Sox don’t have a farm system right now, they spent it all.
Besides, the Red Sox have had several losing seasons in the past decade, where they sold off players mid season…they are clearly willing to rebuild.
It’s of course a higher rate of turnover than small market teams (not unlike the Yankees’ 2016 rebuild, it consists of a mid-summer selloff, followed up by a year they try to contend), but IT IS a rebuild.
xabial
“You can’t be serious. Winning teams are built on farm systems. The Red Sox don’t have a farm system right now, they spent it all.”
Who cares? How many championships has Boston won, recently, compared to the New York Yankees?
New York Yankees-2009
Boston Red Sox-2004, 2007, 2013, 2018
Padres have by far and away the best farm system in baseball. Which team would you rather be a fan?
WestCoastSoxFan
You are right. 2020 has the potential to be a down year, for sure. But they just won the World Series and they have a great shot to repeat next year. It’s hard to worry about what MIGHT happen in 2020. That’s a long way off. I’m sure they have lower-level prospects that will step up before then anyway.
Slevin
The Red Sox farm system is not completely baron, and has few interesting position players rising through their system…Bobby Dalbec, Michael Chavis, and Josh Okimey.
Wags71
Most teams have 3 times the number of similar quality prospects along with better top end talent.
bobtillman
It takes about three years to improve your system from dead last to middle tier (see Angels, Los Angeles). By that time, Betts, Benetendi and Bogaerts will still be under 30; Devers will be 25.
Whose future is brighter, the Sox or the Padres? And how will their respective fans enjoy their trips to the future?
swanhenge
You make a good point on those last place finishes. However, building a championship team off a good farm system works two ways: the players graduate to the majors and become stars OR prospects are traded for stars. Boston has been able to do both and it has left their prospect list a little thin. I suppose it’s the result of building a WS winning team. I imagine most teams would like to have Bostons problems.
Either way, next off season will be interesting.
Pab
Last time I checked, Boston was a winning team. Hence your argument fails. Now if you said win over several years it can make sense. But with healthy farms systems you either bring players up replacing other with cheap labor hoping the develop. Or you use players and sell the for prospects. It goes both ways. Do they have double when it comes to young talent. Perhaps. But they’ll be fine someone money on FA and trade in the coming years to keep them relevant. The one thing selling point they have is they won a WS and the other teams didn’t. If you were a $15 mil player. Would you settle for a bit less on a championship caliber team?
ffrhb14Sox
If they prioritize money and keep a core of players out of Betts, Benintendi, Bogaerts, Bradley, Devers they will have others around we may not know yet. They used a farm system to build a WS winner and will be competitive for years without needing a new wave if they can keep them. If they lose all of JD, Sale, Porcello, Kimbrel and the last year of Pandas contract they can pay that core, add a little from the farm and have money to add pieces to still be really good.
Samuel
Well bob;
I was thinking about Russ Nixon and the Red Sox. Had to look it up…..
“Nixon was actually traded twice to the Red Sox in 1960. Cleveland initially dealt him to Boston on March 16 for catcher Sammy White and first baseman Jim Marshall. White chose to retire and the trade was cancelled but not before Nixon played five exhibition games for the Red Sox. Nixon returned to the Indians and started the regular season with them, appearing in 25 games, 21 as the starting catcher; then, almost three months after the original swap, on June 13, he was traded to the Red Sox a second time, with outfielder Carroll Hardy for Canadian-born pitcher Ted Bowsfield and outfielder Marty Keough.”
Shortly afterwords Bob Tillman emerged.
Anyway, you are spot on as to how the Red Sox will try to rebuild. Large market teams used to do it that way. But with gradual, subtle changes over the past 15 years (like the one mentioned about moving 10 spots down in the draft), the concept of large market teams rebuilding with a weak or so-so farm system won’t work. Theo is in Chicago shoveling more dollars into the furnace, but the train is gradually losing speed. Heck, DD did that in Detroit with a crazy owner, same thing happened. And Cashman had to have the Yankees take some steps back for a few years. Theo noted when he was in Boston that it’s not financially possible to put high priced players at each position, which is what Sox fans wanted.
Yes, we get different rebuilds for the Rays and Royals then the large market teams. But your example of the Dodgers does not fit as Friedman went over there and built a strong farm system which he/they continue to replenish.
The big building blocks start with high draft choices. Not all work out, but when a team such as the Nationals, Astros or Cubs tank for 3-5 years, a couple of controlled stars are the core of a foundation. Today, quality players 2-4 years away from free agency are the hot commodities in MLB (why the Indians should get a haul if they trade Kluber or Corrasco).
In short, that awful Red Sox system needs to be built up ASAP. But they are going to have to do it with low draft choices.
bobtillman
Ya, but do you remember Dalton Jones????? (LH hitting 3B who hit a memorable HR on a foggy night in Chicago….) Ah, the memories……
Ya the system stinks; maybe the worst in MLB. Graduations (Bene, Devers), trades (Sale, etc., etc.), injuries (seems all their recent picks) will do that to you. But the core is still young, and obviously the money is there to build around that core.
But this farm system-dream of the future staff is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overblown. and I subscribe to Baseball America, and properly admire good systems. But 50% of top rated prospects will be league-average guys, 20 % will see an occasional All Star game, about 5% will become stars, and 25% will fail completely. The minor-league free agents list was out yesterday; peruse it to see how many former “top propsects” are now begging for even a MINOR league job. It’ll surprise you.
They react, and in general react pretty well. They goof; who doesn’t? The Rays have the best system in MLB (give or take); the Red Sox the worst. And I’d bet the house the Sox are in the playoffs in 2021, while the Rays are still selling the future.
Samuel
lol bob;
Yes the top prospects lists are funny. When people told me how terrific they are, I send them links of top 100 lists from 3-4 years earlier. They are always stunned.
Why I wrote that MLB’s hottest commodities are established player with 3-4 years to free agency. (The Red Sox quite possibly stole Chris Sale.)
It’s why I love the Royals and Cardinals (though they’ve slipped some). They teach players fundamentals in the minors. That’s why stats of minor league players are a joke in evaluating them. At times with quality organizations, they’re working on things. A pitcher may throw a lousy breaking pitch for months as he’s developing it. Batters may be working on developing swings against pitches they’re having trouble putting in play into open areas. Etc.
The Royals use coach Rusty Kuntz like the Cardinals used the legendary “Hub” Kittle for decades. Kuntz had a big impact with the WS Royals players. Now that they’re in rebuild mode, Rusty spends most of his time working as a roving minor league instructor. As the Royals start to contend, he’ll come back as a ML coach.
Anyway, I do remember Dalton Jones some (was not a Red Sox fan growing up). And of course the classic – when Pumpsie Green and Gene Conley went AWOL in the middle of the season to visit Israel. I saw Conley play with the Knicks, but not the Celtics. Pro sports are far too serious today.
By the way, disagree on the Rays. They’ll contend this year. Very good young players. Excellent manager.
bobtillman
Like you, I always admired the Cards and Royals. I often wondered why, when their players came up, they ALWAYS threw to the right base, ALWAYS took the extra base, etc. I’ve seen some recently promoted players who looked like they’ve never seen a ballpark before.
It boils down to, for example, defense. Defense is a combination of quick-twitch natural ability, and being “in the moment”; know who the batter is, his skill set, etc. Not everybody can have the first; God’s only passing out so much natural talent. But there’s no excuse for not having the second, not for a “professional” whose going to make life altering money in the course of even 3 years.
The real plus for the Rays is their young pitching, which is better than most realize. It’s not only Snell; it’s Yarborough, Castillo, Chineros etc. And the “opener” has little to do with it; I’ll agree with Hershiser (who am I to disagree with Hershiser?) who thinks it’s meaningless. And Kyle Snyder may be the next great pitching coach.
But they have their issues. Bauers hasn’t developed well; Wendle (while a wonderful story) had an extremely high BABIP, Adames has all kinds of natural ability but may very well be dead from the neck up; Duffy and D-Rob can’t seem to stay healthy. Pham is very inconsistent. Etc.
But they’re a decent team. And ya, Cash did a remarkable job last year. They’ll be in the hunt, but let’s face it, they need the Sox and Yanks to really collapse; think how many Rays start for Boston or NY. And the Jays are coming, a farm system not that much away from the Rays’. And oh, those other teams have money. Stu Stienberg has the Rays faithful convinced he doesn’t have any (a blatant lie). Annually, he spends less of his revenue on payroll than any other team in MLB. So they’re double cursed: not only do they have little revenue, they spend considerably less of it on the field, even dramatically less than their low-revenue brethren. And I don’t see that changing.
The AL East team that’s a tragedy is the O’s, another team I always had a TON of respect for. Mercy, every team messes up draft choices now and then; every team makes Free Agent mistakes. But they lead the universe in doing both. And all at once!
BBW
With those 3 star players looking at FA next yr might we see a fire sale in July? (trolling, yes)
mike156
Got to love Boras. “Asked about a recent extension for fellow client Jose Altuve, Boras pointed out that Bogaerts is two and a half years younger and also plays shortstop.”
I mean, why diminish Bogaerts by putting him in the same discussion with the inferior Altuve? What’s Altuve done recently?
Priggs89
Or he knows Bogaerts isn’t as good, so he’s trying to come up with legitimate points in favor of his client…
ColossusOfClout
It’s called negotiating points, not an insult on Altuve.
Frank loiko
Samuel! I am impressed, and bob, Dalton Jones was one of my favorites!
deweybelongsinthehall
My first experience in Fenway, Sonny Seibert hit two homeruns. Not sure if Jones and Kennedy were on the bench then but Seibert (righty) and Gary Peters (lefty) often pinch hit for other pitchers in the time before the DH.
deweybelongsinthehall
Just looked it up. Jones last year in Boston was 69. Seibert hit 12 career homers but only once hit more than one in a season. He hit 6 in 1971 so that had to be my first Fenway experience.
bobtillman
Joe Foy, George Scott, Mike Andrews, Reggie Smith, Jerry Adair, Jose Santiago, …..’67 was when I became a baseball nut. Before I couldn’t stand the game…protested every time dad put the Game of the Week on….(apologies to younger readers, but we only had ONE TV!). I was much more interested in listening to Johnny Most call the Celts than Ken Coleman call the Sox. Pure unadulterated magic, that ’67 team…..a bunch of has-beens, never wases, and vagabonds jumping on the back of one guy (Yaz)….I can tell you EXACTLY where I was the night Hamilton hit Tony C……lottsa water under dat dere bridge…..
deweybelongsinthehall
I remember in southern CT before cable trying to fine tune Springfield channel 22 or 23. Getting a horrible but sometimes viewable puc (sound had to be off) and listening on WTIC radio. LOVED listening to both Ken Coleman and Ned Martin (when they rotated TV and radio).
bosoxDave
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts every day would be Christmas
—Ned Martin
baseball365
Commenters are saying down year in 2020. I tell you this much, if the Red Sox are .500 or just above by the AS break this coming season, they SHOULD pull a 2016 Yankee sell off. This is not a team built for the future. It a must win now team, which they did just that. So mission accomplished. No arguments from anyone about that. It’s what’s just over that cliff, and we’re at the top now.
What fans should be preparing for and asking themselves what they would like for trades of Betts, Bogaerts, Bradle.y. in June or July. I wouldn’t be terribly surprised to see Bradley moved this offseason in fact. In a weird way, best case scenario is the for the Sox to play .500 or under early this season and trade their top assets for top prospects and refuel the system before it’s too late. Weird logic, but they’ll be better off in the long run.
swanhenge
That’s not a terrible idea, but I think the Sox can be just as good next year. They’ll be in the thick of it all year.
If not, pull the chute and get set up for 2020.
bruinsfan94 2
What an idiotic and pointless comment. There is no logic in it.
WestCoastSoxFan
I think you are on the right track. But I also think they will be too good next year to be out of the mix. You never know, but that roster will be very strong in 2019. Having said that, it would be crazy if they flipped the likes of Sale and Bogaerts during the season next year. Since the Sox are over the luxury tax level, they will only get a 4th round pick when those guys walk. They can get MUCH more during the season instead. I know they will be pushing to repeat, but this has to be in the back of their minds.
bobtillman
Must be a Rays or Padres fan….they love to think in 5-year arcs. By the time the Rays real impact talent bubbles up to Tampa, Duffy, D-Rob, Snell, Pham will all be gone…..and they’ll be talking about ANOTHER wave of the future…….
Last year , the Sox spent 51% of their revenues in player salaries. The Rays? 36%. Even if their revenues were equal, the Sox would still likely finish ahead. Because ownership has a commitment to win in Boston.
I have no idea what 2020 looks like; neither does anyone else. Injures, poor performances, (tho some will exceed expectations) and fate will all effect it.
But I know that for 2019, the Sox look pretty good. And they haven’t started the off season yet….The Rays have….a trade that Keith Law described perfectly today in his chat; ” meh;a back up catcher for a 4th OFer….ho-hum…net effect=zero”…….
Of course, The Spanks haven’t begun their off-season yet either, besides re-signing Fatassia, a no-brainer……but unlike fans of SD/TB, I don’t think other teams in my division will stand still while my farm system develops……and, in TB’s case, I don’t ignore that Toronto has a system almost as good as mine….I have to worry about staying ahead of them, never mind chasing the other two…..in SD’s case, they have a great farm….but the Rockies have a good one….so (GULP!) do the Dodgers!!!!…..
Erie4312
worked for ATL
Guest617
that contract was a gift. it was late in free agency and big bats had zero interest i.e. joey bats. no chance jd finds more money in free agency. he even played over bradley in the world series, similar to ortiz at first.
WestCoastSoxFan
If he is anywhere close to what he did this year, he will opt out. Don’t forget that Boras is his agent and he wants all his clients in the open market all the time. Not only that, but JD will be worth more than what he has left on that deal(around 3yr/$63M) with another strong season.
I just hope the Sox get JD some work at 1B next Spring and get him some reps there during the season, as well. It helps his flexibility and keeps him in the NL games.
thefenwayfaithful 2
The Sox made their bed with Dombrowski and they shouldn’t be disappointed. However, one of the costs of being so good in 2018 was risking the future. Now the only way to hold together a competitive team is to keep shelling out money until you’re ready to say rebuild.
The Sox know this. It’s not some genious insight. There’s no savior in our farm system. There are some pieces that will be likely to be useful at some point, but there’s no more Mookie Betts or Benintendis hanging around.
The Sox focus if they want to try to sustain this run HAS to be locking down the rotation and finding a legitimate closer. If some of the guys leave on offense the Sox will still have a lot of talent and money tied up in starting pitching. J.D. Martinez’s departure can’t be denied. His presence transformed the offense. If he’s no longer a part of the lineup after next season, the offense will be diminished in a large capacity. Ortiz and now Martinez forcd pitchers to pitch to guys like Betts and Bogey. Without him, they have to turn the focus back to the rotation and the bullpen to win consistently.
ffrhb14Sox
I really don’t get all of the doom and gloom on here. Boston’s farm system produced a WS with an offense built on young, homegrown players. They traded additional top prospects for Sale and Kimbrel. They dont need a farm system to replace the young guys they produced if they sign them. They will be very good for years to come with a core consisting of a good portion of Betts, Benintendi, Bogaerts, Bradley, Devers. If JD, Sale, Kimbrel, Porcello all leave that and Pandas contract ends Boston will have plenty of money to build around that core. They really need just Dalbec or Chavis to take 3rd and Devers to be 1B/DH if they keep that core. Id let Kimbrel go and give the closer job to Barnes or Brasier or Thornburg.
Vtbmpskier
I am was surprised to see this discussion about the future. Who we will sign who we will let go ect.. I came across a article where a sportswriter plays gm each year and this year he got the sox. I gave to say it was interesting.. the key for him was he went after controllable pitching. And had 100 million left over to sign Betts bogaerts and Bradley Jd ect in 2020.
Vtbmpskier
Here is the link to the writers gm simulation royalsreview.com/2018/11/9/18074030/shauns-gm-simu…