Entering the offseason, it seemed like a foregone conclusion that the Marlins would trade their best player, catcher J.T. Realmuto, prior to the 2019 campaign. Not only is Miami a rebuilding team whose control over Realmuto is dwindling (he’s due to become a free agent after 2020), but the 27-year-old has shown no desire to sign an extension with the club.
At this point, a trade of Realmuto hardly seems imminent, but considering the offseason’s still in its infancy, there’s ample time for a deal to come together. However, in order for that to happen, the Marlins may have to lower their asking price for Realmuto, as Buster Olney of ESPN reported Nov. 16 that the Fish are seeking a “beyond staggering” return for the All-Star backstop. Since then, National League East rival Washington – a well-known Realmuto suitor – may have taken itself out of the sweepstakes by signing Kurt Suzuki to a two-year, $10MM contract in free agency. The Nationals could still try for Realmuto, who’d form an elite tandem with Suzuki, but there’s clearly less of a need for them to pay a bounty for a catcher than there was at the outset of the offseason.
Certainly, should talks between the Nationals and Marlins end or continue to stagnate, there would still be a slew of teams interested in Realmuto. As arguably the majors’ premier catcher, Realmuto would easily improve other prospective 2019-20 contenders such as the Astros, Rockies, Mets, Athletics, Brewers, Braves and Dodgers, to name some. As of now, though, the sense from other clubs is that the Marlins will retain Realmuto heading into next season, per Olney.
Because the Marlins seem unlikely to contend in the next two years, it’s fair to wonder whether they’d be mistaken in holding Realmuto this winter. In the Marlins’ view, Realmuto’s value actually increased in 2018, according to Olney, though it may be unrealistic on their part to expect a repeat in 2019. Even if the well-rounded Realmuto continues his run as a top-tier catcher next season, his diminishing team control isn’t going to do his trade value any favors. Plus, by keeping Realmuto, Miami would run the risk of a decline in performance and/or a significant injury – either of which would be disastrous from its perspective.
While many are tired of seeing the Marlins sell off proven veterans, as they did last offseason with Giancarlo Stanton, Christian Yelich, Marcell Ozuna and Dee Gordon, they may not have a choice with Realmuto. Even after last winter’s firesale, the Marlins continue to feature a below-average farm system, according to both FanGraphs and Baseball America. Moving Realmuto would immediately better their outlook on that front, and if they’re going to trade him, it may be in their best interests to do so in the next few weeks. After all, with bona fide No. 1 options Yasmani Grandal and Wilson Ramos headlining the free-agent catcher class, Miami could soon have two fewer suitors for Realmuto if it doesn’t act quickly.
fasbal1
Why not? They will not compete either way, get a couple suspects for him and move on.
Begamin
haha “suspects”
BlueSkyLA
Round up the usual suspects.
thesheriffisnear
Queue the image of Stephen Baldwin saying “Give me the keys, you _________ ______ _________!”
BlueSkyLA
I’m guessing nobody who down-voted that post recognized the source of the quote. Cultural literacy ain’t what it used to be.
jleve618
I don’t see the need to downvote it either way. The one good part of the app is not seeing the public opinion.
thesheriffisnear
I could not care any less about downvotes, and use the app anyway.
BlueSkyLA
I don’t care either. We’ve always had a lot of “downers” here. Gives people with nothing to say a way of expressing themselves, I guess.
WestCoastSoxFan
The goal for the Marlins, as always, is to trade all their good players, so of course they will move him.
mooshimanx
Because they drew pitiful crowds all year and don’t want to cut them even worse, I guess.
Nick4747
Can it get any worse?
petrie000
People don’t pay to see good players lose, so with or without him the crowds will be pitiful
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Theyve never sold out a single game. Whether it was at Marlins park or their previous stadium. The most recent WBC was the first time they had ever sold out. They didnt even earn the right for a new stadium. They should have moved to Montreal before they ever got a new stadium.
deweybelongsinthehall
Simply put, like any other possible trade, it depends on the offer in return measured against their future plans and payroll projections. Why is this different than should the Snakes trade Goldie or should the Mets move Thor? Every team faces unique but similar issues each year.
jamesa-2
The Marlins will not be competitive before Realmuto is eligible for free agency. He has already made it abundantly clear he has zero intention of staying in Miami longer than he absolutely must. The sooner the Marlins trade him, the larger the premium prospect haul they can expect in return.
Slipknot37
Should they? Yes. Do I think they will? No
WestCoastSoxFan
They’ll take the best package of prospects they can get for him and he’ll be gone. That’s what the Marlins do.
Slipknot37
Nows their best chance for it then to get the most in return
pinstripes17
There is no way what they got for Stanton and Yelich were the best possible deals, absolutely embarrassing, and i’m a Jeter supporter. I get rebuilding, but he didn’t maximize their value.
EasternLeagueVeteran
The Stanton contract put the Marlins in a bind. The Marlins were not going to put money into the deal, so they had to take a decent offer. I don’t stick up for the Yankees, but them or the Dodgers or the Cubs or the Red Sox are the only teams capable of sucking in a bad contract even for a good player. That is why is it buyer beware on Bryce Harper Or Manny Machado. No one wants to get to the point if holding a 40-man roster spot just to get insurance money ala David Wright, or watch someone lose it year after year like Albert Pujols.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
They traded Stanton for starlin Castro thats it.
The Cubs traded castro for Brendan Ryan. Who they immediately fired. And Adam Warren. He was traded back for Chapman
jimbo504 2
Nah, let’s just let him waste away in Miami.
OF COURSE THEY SHOULD TRADE HIM.
xabial
Yes! His value will/has never been higher.
Bocephus
His value will be just as high, if not even higher at the trade deadline.
xabial
At trade deadline, only contenders would likely be interested, whereas in off-season you have interest from all teams, not to mention, less team control, including but not limited to: injury, ineffectiveness potential factors which can decimate his trade value.
Bocephus
All the teams that think they can compete become desperate at the deadline. Why have all the biggest deals been made at the deadline?
callingoutdummies247
Most high impact trades are done offseason. Deadline deals are usually only for rentals.
kenly0
Also, catchers take time to get acclimated to a pitching staff. That’s why you hardly ever see them traded during the season. His value will never be as high as it is right now.
petrie000
Unless he’s hurt or underperforming…
bencole
Disagree his value will be higher at the deadline. Pitchers and regular position players may be this way because of less supply at the deadline because of the absence of the free agent players. Supply and demand on elite catchers won’t because they the only one available now or then. He’ll just have 2/3 of a year less control.
callingoutdummies247
At the deadline only 10-12 maybe 15 teams would be interested because they’d be going for it and adding that “one piece” to get them over the hump. In the off-season it opens up the entire league to trade for him because more follow up deals can be done thru free agency to turn a crap team into a contender
MilTown8888
This’s not true for a catcher unless they’re going to be DH or 1B. You dont want catchers and pitchers to be getting familiar with each other while fighting for a playoff spot in August & September.
NotaGM
If they can find a dance partner then why not. next season his value may be higher or lower..just depends on how he delivers.
id trade him sooner rather than later because cathers values can go quick…just ask Boston.
braves25
The only way his value is higher this time next year is if he has an MVP season!
Otherwise it is 1 year less of control so his value will drop!
NotaGM
Thank you hence why if you read before you post…I am pro for a trade now.
but cant thank you enough. you are all-star.
formerlyz
As a Marlins fan, the answer of this question became yes when they traded Christian Yelich, and especially when they didnt get much of anything back. Definitely would have kept him before then. Now, if they can get anything legit, they should do it. Hopefully an up the middle prospect, an arm, and possibly a power bat type prospect or another arm gets it done. Marlins need to bring talent into the organization
bush1
They’ll just get ripped off again like they did in every other trade because they clearly are bad at maximizing value and evaluating young talent. What an embarrassment of a deal that Yelich deal was. Anyone who knew anything could see he was close to breaking out big time.
formerlyz
And I wish that was the only example
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Are you actually a Marlins fan or do you just live in a place where theres no sports at all the closest team is the Marlins. I just cant see anyone voluntarily being a Marlins fan. Its like being a brewers fan. I bet it’s just something to do.
Same with the Rays. They have never sold out either. Not even when they went to the world series in 2008
therealryan
You are just spouting nonsense out of your seat now. The Rays attendance may stink, but they have sold out the past 13 home openers. It’s amazing how often blow hards spew their garbage as fact and it is easily searched to show how incorrect they are. If you search Rays sellouts, the very first headline is Rays sell out opener for 13th straight year.
jdgoat
It’s pretty easy to tell thatballwasbryzzoed is a troll with the pot shot at Brewers fans.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Not a troll. I post facts. And no one would willingly be a brewers fan. You’re lying to yourself if you think otherwise. The packers and bucks yes. Brewers not so much.
formerlyz
I’ve lived in Miami my entire life. I’ve gone to most games in the last 23 years or so, although b/c of health and financial reasons, I’ve only gone to somewhere in the 25-35 game range in the last couple of years
Begamin
They shouldve traded him last offseason
angelsinthetroutfield
He’s got to be traded
bush1
They’ll just get ripped off again like they did in every other trade because they clearly are bad at maximizing value and evaluating young talent. What an embarrassment of a deal that Yelich deal was. Anyone who knew anything could see he was close to breaking out big time.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Who ripped the Marlins off? It’s up to them and only them to accept a trade. It’s their own fault for not getting more for yelich and Stanton.
bush1
Oh I know. They’re morons and make terrible decisions.
steelerbravenation
Yes to the Braves for Soroka, Riley & Wilson 3 top 100 prospects wont happen though
Knowthemarket
Sadly no it won’t. I wanted to see him in a Braves uniform also but Miami “would prefer not to trade him inside the division.” So to get it done would take a rediculous over pay. Probably something like Wright, Riley, Pache, Toussante to pry him away and that’s just too much.
gmenfan
A proposed Braves trade that doesn’t include Tehran ? Mark it on the calendar!
Erie4312
Tehran for Realmuto lol happy now
steelerbravenation
No Teheran for Domingo Santana
Slevin
ok, there’s the good old Teheran trade proposal again. The guys on the move more than a UPS driver.
MikeyMikey
Trade him. His value may never be higher. Some teams wait one year too long. Look at the Jays and Donaldson
virginiascopist
Certainly they should trade him. Unfortunately, they have apparently set an astronomical pricetag because he is their last trade chip and they feel they need to make up for the lack of talent received in the Stanton, Ozuna and (especially) Yelich trades. Demanding such a high price, it would not surprise me in the least if Realmuto is still a Marlin when the season begins.
jdgoat
The Yelich trade yielded the best package by far out of the three.
bush1
The Yelich return sucked. The Marlins are clearly awful at maximizing value and evaluating young talent.
jamesa-2
They got a fairly decent return for the Yelich they traded away. What hurts in, in hindsight, is the season he had AFTER the trade when he was playing for the Brewers. Even the most bullish expectations for him going into 2018 didn’t have him blowing up like that though.
jdgoat
To say it sucked is pretty short sighted. They got three top 100 prospects in that deal plus another one. If even one of Harrison, Brinson, or Diaz turn into above average talents, it won’t be a terrible deal considering they were going nowhere either with or without Yelich.
bush1
I think most people who understand baseball thought Yelich was going to improve a ton still. Yeah no one knew he’d be an mvp so fast, but still I don’t like any of the guys the Marlins got for him.
formerlyz
The 2 main guys they got were super risky, low floor guys. The 3rd guy was far enough away from the big leagues with 1 good year in the low minors, and the 4th guy was a backend SP at best, far away from the big leagues…that’s a terrible return for what Yelich was before this season, especially considering his amazing contract
batty
Of course the asking “price” is astronomical at this point. You don’t start low and try to raise it. You ask for the moon as the starting point and see if any FO bites.
jmi1950
An injury could reduce his trade value, so why wait?
Philliesfan4life
I see the Astros as a perfect fit for Realmuto , they have a strong farm system unless they trade for Thor.
Houston We Have A Solution
They could trade for both. Whitley and Tucker are great centerpieces to start each deal with.
adshadbolt
I’d keep Whitley I think he could pitch better than Thor and you have him for 6 years not 3
justin-turner overdrive
Miami wanted both Tucker and Whitley for Realmuto, as a 2-1. Astros said no. I think one or the other plus 2-3 more from the top 20 should get it done. Realmuto is #1 so you gotta hurt your farm a bit, but if anyone can and should do that, its the Astros.
Imagine Houston adding Goldschmidt, Pollock and Realmuto? That’s not outside the realms of real life, they have the prospects and money. That’s a scary lineup.
bradthebluefish
Realmuto is at the top of his career and teams would want him for when pitchers & catchers report to Spring Training.
mmarinersfan
And here come the fan trade proposals
Knowthemarket
Yep. I know what you are thinking. Fans of every team posting these rediculous trade packages made of spare parts for the young, cheap, controllable, best player at his position.
justin-turner overdrive
Overvaluing prospects is so damn boring, most GM’s either let them go if they’re contending now, or keep them if they aren’t. A simple formula that many homer troll fans on these comment threads seem to never understand.
steven st croix
The choices should have been yes and yes.
baseball1600
No. He’s good for the pitching staff.
Houston We Have A Solution
Better question
Should the front office be fired if they don’t trade him?
bush1
They’ll just get ripped off again like they did in every other trade because they clearly are bad at maximizing value and evaluating young talent.
jorleeduf
It’s still better than them keeping him and getting nothing
Falsehope
Waiting for Mr. Analytics
MetsYankeesRedSox
Yankees!
Slevin
You need to chill with a Polar Ice!
MetsYankeesRedSox
I thought that was her!
That sneaky GIRL!
Slevin
That’s the type of girl moms warn about. Love her knowledge of Machado.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Hey, which thread is PG in?
Can’t find it now
marinerfan
Trade him for Cano. Big contract for big contract. Realmuto would be a plus for all the new young pitchers Jerry is stockpiling. (I know, crazy idea but hD to throw it out there.)
bencole
Realmuto doesn’t have a big contract and Cano sucks. I’m hoping you’re a troll and you’re not really this dumb.
joshb600
I’d agree that his contract is huge., but how exactly does he suck? He got the suspension but had a fairly good season after returning.(3.2 WAR in 80 games)… His contract is expensive, but so far he’s been worth the money, aside from the bad publicity from the suspension.
jbigz12
Cano doesn’t suck yet for sure. Projecting a 36 year old to sustain his pace for another 5 seasons is a different story though. The contract to date hasn’t been underwater but it’s pretty much a foregone conclusion that it will be at some point in the future. It’s a matter of when not if.
arc89
Cano defense is not as good as it used to be. Why would a team like the Marlins want a expensive DH type player? Cano will only be traded for another over paid former all star. Mariners do not have a top prospect outside of Sheffield so that would be about the cost or trading a Haniger or Gonzales which wouldn’t make sense for them.
bencole
Yes I suppose this is what I should’ve said jbigz I just thought it was assumed. But at 1B, he’s well below average for the position, so yes, he sucks. 2B he’s fine now but won’t be for $120 million for his age 36-40 seasons. But I guess I didn’t clarify that.
The real point is that Realmuto’s contract isn’t big like this dude said, and all of us know that Realmuto for Cano may literally be the worst trade proposal in the history of this site. I really hope this guy was kidding.
joshb600
Right. He doesn’t suck yet. He’ll surely regress. Not everyone can be an Adrian Beltre, But saying he sucks is present tense. He may/will suck at one point. No matter what, the trade makes zero sense but I was never disputing that.
bencole
Yes correct. I should’ve have said he has massive negative trade value, or something like that. I thought what I meant would be assumed, as even him not sucking presently doesn’t make this trade proposal anything reasonable.
Knowthemarket
Can is far to old and is far too much money. The Marlins are looking for young talent that will develop.
gmenfan
I see someone hit the eggnog a little early.
justin-turner overdrive
Not a crazy idea to put an offer on the table, absolutely insane to suggest Cano-Realmuto straight up.
Realmuto for Carlson, Gilbert, White and Lewis gets done. Yes its a haul, but its going to take a haul to get JT.
connorreed
That’s barely a haul. Seattle owns the weakest farm system in baseball (or did before the Paxton trade, at least).
Even though all four of the guys are solid prospects, Realmuto trade talks have included the likes of Soroka, Robles, and Tucker, so it’s doubtful the Marlins would let Realmuto go for a four-player package without a single Top 100 prospect (Baseball America) or proven MLB player.
bencole
Yeah agreed, I’m not sure the Marlins get that guy, but the M’s probably don’t win with that offer.
Jeff Zanghi
I think the answer to this is a resounding YES. First of all his trade value has and never will be this high again… the Marlins are AT LEAST a couple years away from competing and could use a nice haul of prospects in return to bolster their rebuild. And lastly – on a more pessimistic note… I’m not really sold that Realmuto will continue to produce at this high of a level so if they don’t trade him, or hang onto him in the hopes of getting more value at the deadline — they run the risk of him taking a step (or two) backwards and not being as valuable of a trade chip as he currently is.
That may be an unpopular opinion on the risk of him not sustaining this level of production BUT… his minor league track record wasn’t really great, he started slow in his first couple of ML seasons and really to be honest has only put up 2.5-3 seasons of “elite” production at the ML level. To me if I were the Marlins I wouldn’t risk the chance of him struggling to start 2019 and lowering his value when they can clearly cash in big right now!
bush1
The answer is yes if the Marlins actually had the ability to make a smart deal for good young talent, but they’re ran by a bunch of bumbling idiots and will get ripped off just like the Yelich deal.
Melchez
Yankee fans be like… “realmuto for ellsbury”
justin-turner overdrive
I believe Bird, Voit, Gray and Ellsbury for Realmuto would be their trade idea, because its the only one they’re offering for any elite talent, lololol
EasternLeagueVeteran
Would you do Sanchez for Realmuto straight up? Sanchez certainly can use a change of venue while he straightens out his act. Realmuto is about equivalent offensively, and better defensively. And a veteran not making sloppy non-hustling mistakes. Just throwing it out there.
Melchez
.186/.291/.406 does not equal .277/ .340/ ..484
Not even close. Even a Yankee fan should know that.
connorreed
Here’s a common post sequence for Yankee fans on Twitter:
“Gary Sanchez is absolutely awful. He can’t play defense, is always hurt, doesn’t hustle, and now can’t even hit. We need to trade him ASAP”
“Cashman needs to get Realmuto, the best catcher in baseball. He’s a huge improvement over Sanchez.”
“The Yankees should trade Realmuto for Sanchez straight-up”
Houston We Have A Solution
Rob refsnyder
jdgoat
Easily please don’t let the best catcher in baseball rot through any more of a long rebuild.
justin-turner overdrive
The best catcher in MLB shouldn’t be on the Marlins, he should be on a contender. We the fans deserve better quality players on the postseason teams, tired of seeing random scrubs out there because some dumb bad team is trying to gain trade leverage.
Bocephus
I bet you think all the best players should be on contenders.
Nick4747
God forbid fans want to see the best players @ their position as often as they can.
hiflew
Then start watching Marlins games. They are televised too.
jdgoat
You’re not watching the Marlins on Sunday night or in October….
jorleeduf
Why should they torture themselves?
gmenfan
No, it’s great seeing Trout’s seasons end in September year after year.
justin-turner overdrive
Exactly. So fun. More Brock Holt though!!
jorleeduf
Yeah, it makes no sense for good players to actually use their talent for something meaningful
steelerbravenation
I am waiting for the 3 or 4 team trade scenarios where said fan’s team doesn’t have to give up anything and get Realmuto or the crazy multiple superstar trades that has never happened in the history of baseball.
connorreed
Haha I’ve been seeing more and more trade proposals like this. It’s crazy. People just adding random teams into simple trades that somehow result in their team giving up a whole lot less for the same players. Something like this:
Yankees get Corey Kluber, JT Realmuto, Starlin Castro
Nationals get Yan Gomes, Tyler Wade, Greg Bird
Indians get Victor Robles, Sonny Gray
Marlins get Austin Romine, Carter Kieboom, Triston McKenzie
Danny B.
I would love to see the Mets trade Brandon Nimmo, Peter Alonso, Gimenez & Dunn for Realmuto. The problem is, the Marlins are asking for far too much for him.
jbigz12
The marlins should consider that package. Nimmo is the closest thing to what they traded away in their outfield and they don’t have a 1B either. They need everything.
bencole
Yeah dude, despite your Thor is more valuable than Bryant, elite pitching is more valuable than far less volatile elite hitters nonsense, this is actually a really good proposal and I bet it would get it done. I doubt the Mets would do it though.
Danny B.
They should though because they could easily replenish the farm system, with better talent no less, by trading Syndergaard to the Padres. I read an article earlier today that the Padres have already included Margot & Hedges in proposals for Thor. If Margot & Hedges are in the deal, I feel the Mets should have them include 3 good prospects. I would insist that Luis Arias is a must, I would certainly ask for Chris Paddack & Cal Quantrill.
connorreed
This is kind of a pointless strategy. Trade away prospects for MLB talent, and then trade away MLB talent for prospects.
And yes, I know NY’s strength is pitching, but there are five starting pitcher spots (plus more when factoring in injuries), and it’s not like the Mets have elite pitchers that they can’t use because Syndergaard is taking up a spot. If they trade Thor, it means someone like Corey Oswalt or PJ Conlon is starting 30+ games next season.
Plus, you don’t address the fact that they lose Nimmo, who’s more or less established himself as the best offensive player on this team.
Danny B.
You’re 1000% wrong. Andy Martino has stated multiple times that if the Mets traded away Syndergaard that they would acquire another SP to replace him. Also the proposal I made with the Padres has 3 players that would start for the Mets in 2019(Hedges/Margot/Urias). Chris Paddack & Cal Quantrill would help replenish the Mets farm system. Say the Mets signed a Dallas Keuchel or J.A. Happ to replace Syndergaard and then sign like Andrew Miller and/or Adam Ottavino to share closing and setup duties, the Mets would become a force in the NL.
1. Margot(LF)
2. Urias(2B)
3. Realmuto(C)
4. Conforto(RF)
5. Bruce(1B)
6. Frazier(3B)
7. Rosario(SS)
8. Lagares(CF)
Rotation
1. DeGrom
2. Wheeler
3. Keuchel
4. Vargas
5. TBA
Even though I believe the Mets will find a better option for 3B but this lineup is a vast improvement over last season. Let’s not forget that Cespedes returns mid-season as well, almost like a trade deadline acquisition. Just realized that Hedges would be a backup but a Catching tandem of Realmuto and Hedges would be 2nd to none.
Houston We Have A Solution
Well, Mets won’t be contending any time soon then.
You want Margot, Hedges who is top 3 defensive catcher in the league, and on top of that you want 2 top 50 prospects- Urias who is their 2B of the future and their best ace prospect in Paddack- and another MLB ready pitcher in Quantril?
Yeah, Padres say hard pass on that Syndergaard deal.
Mejia (C), Margot (CF), Logan Allen (SP), Naylor(1B/OF), and Jacob Nix (SP) is the best deal the Mets could hope for from the Padres.
Paddack is about as untouchable as Tatis Jr, Urias, and Gore given the lack of depth at SS, 2B, and 3B in their system and at the MLB level- Padres already have lefties in Lucchesi and Lauer which make Allen more expendable. The only top 50 prospect that isn’t untouchable is Mejia due to the presence of Hedges.
Danny B.
Well, you definitely get the reward for most uneducated fan EVER. I’ll leave it at that. Good luck to you.
bencole
Yeah neither a Mets nor Padres fan here, you’re not getting Thor for a prospect package headlined by Mejia. And even if the Mets would consider it, it wouldn’t be the best offer on the table.
rdsfan05
If the marlins get that trade proposal it would be yes immediately thats an over but with peter Alonso who rake and gimenez being a great prospect who still needs work with Nimmo who’s young and had a great year and Dunn who could be a 3 possibly a two in a rotation great package for the marlins
justin-turner overdrive
That trade is fair value though, I like it for both sides a lot.
Danny B.
I should be the Mets GM, haha.
arc89
Depends on what the Marlin fans want. Do they want some good young prospects that will make them a good team in the future or watch a all star play on a bad team to only leave in a few years. Trade him and get better for future years or hold onto a player and watch them leave with nothing to show for it. When you say young prospects a top 50 and a few others that are not at the MLB level just yet.
bravesfan
I said yes, and naturally I think it should be the braves. I still think both teams can benefit from this trade and since they are in a full rebuild he’s not gonna hurt them that bad if he is a braves cause they are gonna struggle anyways. So get some you some of those prospects the braves have stashed away and let them develop into good players long after JT will he gone
bush1
The Marlins are completely idiotic. So whatever they should do, they’ll do the opposite. I just can’t stop thinking about what a terrible return they got for Yelich (the NL MVP). The day they did the Yelich trade it was obvious to anyone they got hosed even before he won the MVP. Marlins doing Marlin things…
start_wearing_purple
They got a top 20 prospect and a pair of top 100 prospects. At the time it was thought to be a good deal for the Marlins. Let’s not pretend anyone outside of Christian Yelich’s family predicted he’d do so well this last season.
cjuluca
What are you talking about the day Yelich was called up they were already talking about how many batting titles he would win down here in South Florida.
justin-turner overdrive
Yelich always was a highly-thought of blue chipper who everyone outside of like, NYC, knew would be a multi-time all-star, don’t lie.
bush1
The day that Yelich trade went down it was a bad trade for the Marlins. Most people knew Yelich was close to breaking out in a big way, and basically every guy they got in return is mediocre at best. It was a terrible deal for the Marlins and people knew that way before Yelich became MVP.
johnrealtime
mlbtraderumors.com/2018/01/brewers-to-acquire-chri… lol scroll down to the comments in the middle, after the return was announced. It seems people thought the Marlins got a pretty good deal and many thought the Brewers gave up too much. Though I’m sure it’s easy to forget all of this after watching him win the MVP this year
bush1
Nope, I hated that sea for the Marlins the day they did it.
formerlyz
“formerlyz
January 25, 2018
As a Marlins fan, this by far hurts the most. It bothers me even more that they wait all this time, still having not moved the pieces they need to move, and all of the sudden, its so important to make this move now, and not get back full value, as usual. I’m happy about Brinson in terms of finally at least getting back some talent, but they should have got another piece, or an upgrade on one of the other prospects they got back. Marlins should have got more than what the White Sox got for Eaton, and I’m not sure they even approach it at all, and that’s just another example of the Marlins not getting back full value on anything, ever.”
“I would have liked a little more safe projection than Brinson and Harrison, who have long had swing and miss issues, although they are both big time athletes. I also wouldn’t have minded a higher upside arm, considering the need in that department. Marlins definitely get a decent return, but it still should have been better, which has been the issue with this organization for I dont even know how many years at this point”
I definitely didnt like the deal when it was made. I gave credit for a theoretical decent return, but I mentioned the risk of the guys they got back
petrie000
Where’s the “they should have traded him last off-season” option?
Or is it a case of that was too obvious and it would ruin the poll?
snotrocket
If the Marlins didn’t blow up the roster last off season they would probably have been in a decent position to try and contend if they just added some pitching.
connorreed
That’s assuming Christian Yelich would’ve made the changes to his game that he did in Milwaukee.
And “some pitching” is a bit of an understatement. The Marlins had fifteen pitchers throw at least 35 innings last year. Not a single one had a ERA lower than 3.90. Just two had a FIP under 3.80. Their bullpen ranked dead last in ERA among all MLB teams, and their starters ranked 13th out of 15 in the NL (ahead of just the Padres and Reds).
I think at best they would’ve been flirting with .500 if the roster was still intact, with almost no farm to make any trades and owners who were even less interested in spending money than Loria was.
Plus, without those trades, they wouldn’t have had their 3rd most productive player, Starlin Castro (3.3 WAR), and their 2nd most productive player Brian Anderson (3.9 WAR) wouldn’t have really had a spot to play.
Mjm117
With what pitching? New owners weren’t willing to add to the payroll to maybe be a wild card team.
The organization needed to be rebuilt from the bottom up.
Erie4312
ATL needs to stay away
imgman09
Easy,dude wants out(or doesn’t want to extend),get the best deal and trade him otherwise it’s cancer for a young team
RedRooster
Now is the time to trade JTR
Erie4312
Acuna and Soto for Realmuto. LOL he plays one season for ATL an one for Nats LOL
steal for nats and braves
start_wearing_purple
He’s, at least, the hitting best catcher in baseball at the moment and a whiner. Only trade him if the net return is worth that. Otherwise tell him to shut up, suit up, and if he does well enough and teams are desperate he’ll be on the block in July.
justin-turner overdrive
nah, let the workers tell their bosses to kiss their asses, they don’t have their whole life to make money playing baseball – owners do.
DarkSide830
yes, but they should wait until they get a good offer in return. no reason they shouldn’t get good prospects (yes, plural) in return. (specifically better ones then they got for Yelich, given that none were worth acquiring in my mind)
Rich Hill’s Elbow
No matter what MIA says, there’s just no escaping the inevitable. Ya might as well consider Realmuto a Brave already because no other club is going to match the pitching that ATL has to offer. And who cares if it’s ATL, you already ready lost Fernandez, 2 MVPs, Gordon, Ozuna, and your window of opportunity; meaning it’s time to swallow your pride and concede.
bush1
They’ll just get ripped off again like they did in every other trade because they clearly are bad at maximizing value and evaluating young talent.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
You’ve already said that many times on this thread…
bush1
Yep, I feel fairly strongly on that opinion and don’t feel the Marlins are talked about enough as being flat out stupid. So I’m taking it upon myself to bring attention to their idiotic trades.
Mjm117
Ian, touki, Waters and Bryse should do it
jay13
The Marlins will trade him this off-season. They need to stay the course. The biggest problem the marlins have is no one in house to take over. Will Banfield is a good 3 years away to being relevant or even a thought in the marlins mind.
connorreed
The biggest problem? Even another team’s third or fourth catcher on the depth chart would look like he belonged given some of the scrubs the Marlins put out last season.
Psychguy
Marlins could do worse than trading Realmuto to LA for one of their “elite” catching prospects and starting pitching. or similar package.
Mjm117
Ruiz, May, and Lux(or another SP) would probably do it.
slider32
The key for the Marlins is getting the best package for Realmuto! Whitley is my target if I’m the Marlins.
Mjm117
Agreed. I’d settle for Tucker, JJ/Baukakus, and Nova as headliners.
imindless
Suzuki isnt a elite talent 2 years 10 million reflects this. Nats wave white flag on upgrading catcher postion as marlins asking price is too high. Seeing as this team is competiting with phillies for second or 3rd in divison i see little reason for nats to acquire realmuto.
soxfan1
Would Devers and Swihart/Vazquez for Realmuto and Conley get a deal done?
imgman09
No Boston needs to add more and doesn’t make sense because Boston May lose Leon and Swihart is unproven anyway
soxfan1
No one wants Leon back…
bencole
Swihart is a near-DFA candidate, he doesn’t add any value to any trade.
Mjm117
To make it even more appealing to Miami, they should remove Devers and replace it Rusney Castillo. Plus competitive balance picks going to Red Sox.
Win/win
DadsInDaniaBeach
My 2c worth. The Fish will continue to be the welfare recipients of MLB. They should have moved Realmuto last year. They should still move him.
This might be the least supported team in the MLs. They have never drawn fans even when they won.
Baseball does not belong in Miami.
Mjm117
Good thing, however, is that Baseball isn’t going anywhere from Miami.
Melchez
Dodgers might make a play for them. They are loaded with prospects and need someone to replace Grandall.
Sky14
Don’t think I’ve even seen such unanimous poll results.
bush1
That’s because it’s a dumb/obvious poll. Of course the Marlins should deal him.
neoncactus
I think they will trade him because of his value. It makes sense to ask a lot this early in the offseason and when they see teams aren’t going to give what they’re asking, they’ll probably take the best package they can get. Then again, I could be giving the Marlins FO too much credit.
AndyM
Yay! In text polls on the app!!! Thanks guys!!!
chri
They absolutely should, but I don’t think Washington signing Suzuki really had an impact. The two teams couldn’t seem to agree on the players going to Miami (Robles is definitely off the table in case Harper leaves).
Realmuto is now the best catcher in baseball, and the team that acquires him has him in his age 28-29 seasons. It’d be a joke if the Marlins don’t deal him, but I cant blame them for wanting a good return.