The Phillies entered the winter widely tabbed as the most obvious aggressor on the free-agent market. It has been known for years, after all, that the organization was stripping its payroll and building its prospect base in hopes of launching back into a powerhouse.
Perhaps, then, it shouldn’t be too surprising that Philadelphia owner John Middleton was so willing to acknowledge the obvious. But he did so, with unusual candor, in an interview with USA Today’s Bob Nightengale. As Middleton put it:
“We’re going into this expecting to spend money. And maybe even be a little bit stupid about it. We just prefer not to be completely stupid.”
Whether those surprisingly forthcoming words portend a true spending bonanza isn’t quite clear. But they surely suggest that the Phillies aren’t afraid of a bidding war and are open — willing, even — to go a bit outside their comfort zone to win one, at least for the right player.
This long-anticipated free-agent class may not quite have arrived with the expected hype, but it’s still laden with opportunities. And the Phils have both the need and the means to chase the market’s biggest names: Bryce Harper and Manny Machado, of course, but also perhaps quality players such as Patrick Corbin, Craig Kimbrel, and Yasmani Grandal.
Click here for a detailed analysis of the Phillies’ payroll availability.
As Middleton rightly assesses, the Phillies clearly have “lots of ways to go to improve” a roster that has some valuable assets but relatively little in the way of established stars. That only makes things more interesting. Big-name acquisitions would likely also be followed by trades of current Philadelphia players, increasing the intrigue and ramping up the overall market entropy.
Clearly, it’s a high-stakes winter for a ballclub that sees an opportunity to make major strides. With Middleton expressing excitement at the prospect of unleashing the organization’s financial might, there’s every reason to believe that the Phillies will function as a market driver.
ck420
Talk is cheap lets see some signings
xabial
This isn’t your Mets. They’ve backed it up in the past, and biggest threats to signing Machado, and/or Harper. You are a worthy adversary. 🙂
Backatitagain
As a Braves fan, I hope the Phillies sign every one of those guys. It will put them right back where they were several years ago as hopeless losers. The high cost free agent long term contracts are poison pills.
Knowthemarket
Hmm..So what do you think the Phillies would be like for the first 4 or 5 years if they sign Harper, Machado, Grandal, Corbin and Kimbrel? By the time that list of player contracts become albatrosses, the Braves will have already been in the situation of trying to figure out how to resign talent or trying to replace it.
They obviously can’t sign all of them. Two of them would be impressive and three would be insane, though I can’t believe any iteration will include both Harper AND Machado. Make no mistake about this; Signing Machado and Grandal (for example) would be a very significant upgrade that would get them more wins for years.
Backatitagain
They will bust out like 90% of these free agents do. Close but no cigar.
Knowthemarket
This year of FA’s are different. You have players like Pujols in mind who signed with the Angels that stupid contract when he was 32. Harper, Machado, Corbin, Grandal are all under 30. Kimbrel is 30 but as a closer his mileage is much less significant so that isn’t so bad either. Their bust risk is much less.
gneedoba
Well, the Phillies have a WS title to show for it so it’s hard to fault them
Marc (Phillies Phan)
Backatit – I rarely engage those who insult, and I try not to be like some Yankees fans who tout 27 rings, but I would hardly call us losers from 2007 to 2011. Did long term contracts hurt then? Yes, But these two guys are 26. I don’t like them either, but your Braves are good. We need them.
And unless your Braves sign one or all of your prospects pan out, you may win the division, but get used being sad in early October. Your prospects are just that – prospects. What are the odds ALL your prospects will be wonderful? Probably the same odds that the FAs will pan out. In your estimation – 10%. Mark Prior, Stephen Strasburg, Matt Wieters: All were highly rated and they never lived up to it.
Enough of that. I am back to being a hopeless loser.
danlcat
Sign ramos,not grandal. Also,bring back bour
chound
I’m not going to argue the historical nature of FA, but Machado and Harper together, are more likely to win a WS than bust.
edcl54
Lol. That coming from a loser fan base, maybe the worst in all of sports. Shut your yap junior
bloodstripes
Not really. The 2008 team was mostly made up of home grown talent. The players they traded for and signed through free agency weren’t big names either. Hell, their biggest acquisition that year was Joe Blanton.
It wasn’t until the following year when Amaro became the GM that the Phils started bringing in top talent like Lee (twice, lol), Oswalt, and Halladay. And all of them were acquired via trade (except for Lee the second time around).
JKB 2
@Phillies Phan
Good post especially on your examples. Strasburg was even the number one overall pick. Prior number two overall. I think Weiters was top 3 overall?
Those were not just highly rated those were can’t miss picks. All had their moments. Strasburg has been good but not great. Prior had a few good years and broke down but that is always the risk with pitchers. Weiters had several good years but overall never lived up to the hype. And these are examples of cant miss prospects. It does not even get into the many prospects who are highly rated that never pan out.
johnrealtime
Great comment Phan
chino31
Phils sign both machado and harper? Can’t wait for fireworks to start when Manny screws up and Harper rips him a new one a la few years ago with Papelbon. Signing both will be toxic for team chemistry.
CursedRangers
How many WS rings does Trout, Harper, or Machado have? Trout had some great pitchers on his team when he first came up. They surrounded him with high priced free agents and still zippo. Harper has had great young pitchers on his team, and also surrounded by other talent – yet still zippo on the rings. Machado, well not great talent on his team.
The point is baseball is a team sport. The greatest players in the game still get the same number of at bats and fielding chances as the worst player in the lineup. A LeBron James can instantly change the dynamics of any team he goes to. Put Harper on the Phillies and their chances go up, but only slightly. Sure he has had moments of greatness, but he was a 1WAR player last year. He’s a fun player to watch but not a miracle worker. Even coupling him with Machado isn’t a guarantee for success. Would tread lightly with betting the farm on either. Harper gets hurt often and has declining offense. Machado seems like a better long term bet, but still…
halfbakedmcbride
Harper and Machado aren’t everyday free agents…they are immediate game changing players.
DailyPlunge
Greg Maddux was a big time free agent signing for the Braves. I wouldn’t consider him a “poison pills.” If the Phillies have the cash to spend it’s difficult to believe that Harper wouldn’t improve their team.
Marc (Phillies Phan)
johnrealtime and JKB – thanks.
For the record, in no way am I saying Harper and Machado will be great for 10 years. Nor am I saying Strasburg or Wieters are horrible. I actually am a Matt Wieters fan. The hype though was unfair to him as it was Strasburg.
A pet peeve is when angry fans post things like FAs will be busts. Yup. Yu Darvish so far as an example; but my point is prospects can be a bust. Will Acuna be special? I actually hope so. But what happens if he never ever has another year like 2018? Anyone can be a bust and anyone can be great.
Pearce was the MVP for crying out loud. Anything can happen.
I don’t want Machado or Harper either, but it is who is available and it is Middleton’s money. If they win, I won’t care.
mikeyank55
Mets fans are going to cry here. Unlike the Coupons, this owner is putting his money where his mouth is. That’s why Mutt and Jeff alternate vagueness with empty promises.
grizzled sports vet
The Pirates are always stripping payroll (without having a good farm system) but you’ll never hear their current owner announce big spending ideas in an interview. It’s just the same old recycled trash being spewed by his foot-soldier GM, Huntington. Now it sounds like they are saying the Archer & Kela deals were their big additions, and that’s where this off-season’s potential FA money was applied. So, like last year, they may once again not sign a free agent. And if they do, it won’t be worth opening the link when the notification comes through on my phone. Nutting is PATHETIC. Give Philly credit. At least they will spend to be competitive. Moneyball organizations have about the same chance of winning a title as getting struck by lightning. K.C. won but spent to do it. Now they are back to the bottom because had to dump salary. At least they went “all in” for a season. There are really only be about 10-12 teams in MLB that have a legitimate shot to win each year. The rest of the teams are essentially AAA ball clubs that groom high draft picks, only to be traded to the usual playoff teams before the player’s arbitration years run out.
justin-turner overdrive
Pearce and Bourjos ain’t doin it for you? lol
dimitrios in la
I like that he characterizes this spending as “stupid”—if it’s for Harper and/or Machado that’s an apt description.
edcl54
Agree. Heard this before.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
“We’re going into this expecting to spend money. And maybe even be a little bit stupid about it. We just prefer not to be completely stupid.”
I am surprised the O’s are not saying the same thing
Duquette surrounded himself with Dumpsters, Elias prefers to surround himself with calculators
I am not certain though it spending money is going to help the Phillies or the Orioles
It should be interesting who has the best off-season and who does what
camdenyards46
The Phillies situation is not at all comparable to the Orioles situation, and their offseasons can’t really be contrasted.
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
I kind of beg to differ….. I don’t think the Phillies are that good
I know the O’s are dreadful…. but still
bucketbrew35
“I kind of beg to differ….. I don’t think the Phillies are that good.”
How though? They have five young controllable starters in Nola, Velasquez, Pivetta, Eflin and Eickhoff. All of which have pretty high ceilings. Nola is a bona fide ace and they have nice depth in AAA.
Their bullpen is mostly young minus last year’s signings of Hunter and Neshak. Arano, Dominguez, and Ramos all showed shutdown promise this year. Neris could be a beast if he keeps his head on straight. They do lack a true closer.
On offense, Hoskins Herrera, and Alfaro are solid building blocks and players like Kingery, Crawford, and Williams are very young and should improve (I hope).
The foundation is in place. The team basically lacks in 3 areas:
1. Defense.
2. Putting the ball in play more.
3. Star power.
Knowthemarket
You are out of your mind. The Phillies are coming to the close of their rebuild. They might have ended under 500, but that was well at the end of the season. They have a great core of players to build on as Camden has already pointed out with more talent to come.
The Orioles have just started a rebuild a few months ago. They’re going to be at it for a while.
philliephan1
The 0’s will lose 500 games 2018-2022. Dreadful is an understatement
dimitrios in la
Ok phillie thanks for oozing intelligence.
JKB 2
Orioles are not so dreadful that they will lose 500 games in those 5 years at all
rrddbb44
Woof. Someone needs a reality check
Marc (Phillies Phan)
Lefty_Orioles_Fan and backatit need a serious reality check. I am far from the rose colored glasses guy. I am very critical of the Phillies, Klentak and Kapler. I agree that the Phillies need Machado and/or Harper, though I HATE it immensely because I don’t really like either of them for different reasons. But if we want to keep up in the NL East, they have no choice. Now my rebuttal.
I cannot add any more than other comments (bucketbrew35 said everything I feel), but I can say this:
1. Yes, the Phillies collapsed, but before August 12, 2018, they were very good. Yes, way over achieving, but a team cannot stay in first place that long without some talent. They found ways to lose games from August 12 to the end of the season; but it was not lack of talent – youth played a part of that.
2. Yes, the defense was terrible (all season) and that was probably half of the reason they collapsed. The other contributor to defense was signing Carlos Santana. I really like Santana, but his signing made no sense and it weakened the defense by moving Hoskins.
3. Ok, now, the Phillies finished 80-82. That is not even in the same conversation as the O’s. Until August 12, the Braves and Phillies were competitive and equal.
4. philliephan1 – don’t help. Seriously?
Lefty_Orioles_Fan
All these dislikes (7 and 12) and nellie negative comments
okay, no big deal I am used to it,
I did want to answer though and this is really for all
The Phillies collapse reminded me of the O’s collapse at the end of the 2017 season
So yeah the Phillies remind me of the O’s despite Nola and a few others.
Marc (Phillies Phan)
Lefty_Orioles_Fan – I was one of those thumbs down because what you said was dumb. Phillies have young talent, but they need leadership that I don’t think they have, If you are judging them when they played the Os: Did we not sweep you 4 games??? Granted they were like 1 or 2 run games, but um…. Did we not go 2-2 all season against the Red Sox? Played them well. Just sayin’.
Who are the “others”? When you leverage that comment, back it up.
fasbal1
Big time starter and one of the premier FA…and philly will look pretty good for next year.
koldjerky
Corbin and Harper, come on down!
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
And Craig Kimbrel. That’s a lock.
justin-turner overdrive
Those 3 don’t even make them a contender though, even with those 3 they are not even close to the Nats or Braves.
simschifan
Hwat?!
Pax vobiscum
The Braves are meh. The Nat’s however still have Scherzer, Robles and Soto. They’ll be back next season not really sure about the Braves.
justin-turner overdrive
You should respect the Braves more, by pythag they had 92 wins and Phillies had 76 last year. There’s no way getting 3 or 4 superstars makes up that much of a gap – it’s a team game after all. Braves go deep, have tons of 20-21 year olds and are only going to get better. Acuna might be nearing Trout-level talent. Albies is unbelievable too, and Freeman. Phillies need to sign an entire new starting lineup to contend, they really are trash 1-9 with the exception of maybe Hoskins if he plays 1B.
If anything the Phillies should be selling and punting this season. Really poorly-run team this one. It’s just dumb and never works to try and win solely via FA.
birdsonbat
Wrong on both win totals
bucketbrew35
Justin Turner-Overdrive is obviously still sore about 2008 and 2009. Tell me, do Matt Stairs and Jimmy Rollins still give you nightmares?
brian214
Trout level talent? Albies is unbelievable too? Dude, you cant be this dumb. Whatever bias you have against Philly let it go. You’ll come across less ignorant next time.
Phillies2017
I agree with you on the idea that the team isn’t run very well, but honestly, selling would be the worst idea. They just need to be smart
Pax vobiscum
You really don’t have a clue about the business side of the sport do you?
fasbal1
Dont forget about the sophomore jinx…
Youtube.com/@PINGTR1P
Phillies fans start to become annoying when their optimism shifts toward delusion.
T_Rexx2
Uhh… huh?
Marc (Phillies Phan)
Did you watch the Nats this year?
jkoms57
I could see the Phillies signing Harper being the main motivating factor for the Nats to win the East.
For the Phillies though, people are overanalyzing this..
Any team that could realistically sway one of Harper or Machado, let alone both, is an instant contender.
I’m a Pirates “fan”.. so just sitting back with popcorn watching the show.
danlcat
Have u ever SEEN a baseball game? Truly…you are an idiot.
danlcat
Phils fan but ill give props 2 braves…
danlcat
Guess u dont follow baseball,huh. Fonda loving chopper…
chino31
Actually they should just sign Harper and save some powder for Chapman next year when he can opt out. Let the youngsters gel with Harper before adding more pieces.
Marc (Phillies Phan)
bucketbrew35 – and Victorino too. Without him, Stairs only ties it. LOL LOL LOL LOL Yeah, I used to think overdrive was arrogant but now I think he is just stoned.
Knowthemarket
I’d say Machado would be the bigger upgrade for the Phillies. They already have a pretty good outfield. Bring in Machado and you are set for a while either at shortstop or 3B and with that you either have Kingery or Crawford as a high upside trade chip.
TwinsHomer
Damn. With a comment like that I feel like that’s basically a “we’re saying at least one of machado and or Harper and then some”
justin-turner overdrive
and still 84 wins next year
Robert J Cleary
If the Phillies need to
Upgrade a dozen positions, how in God’s name did they win 80 games. Maybe that’s because the other tesmsssldo have holes?
justin-turner overdrive
Phillies pythag was 76 wins, they weren’t even remotely good last year, despite the media hype.
petrie000
Their starting pitching was a lot better than expected and doesn’t have a lot of obvious red flags.
The offense needs help and their defense needs… Well, to exist… But realistically they can buy themselves to the top of the East
Coast1
In 2017 both the Phillies had a run differential of -92 and the Braves had a run differential of -89. In 2018 the Braves were +102, showing that a team can go from very negative to very positive.
On paper right now, and perhaps in April, the Braves look better. The season doesn’t play out the way it is on paper. It’s always different.
You may be right. There might be no way the Phillies catch the Braves next year. Are you saying they shouldn’t try?
danlcat
Yes. Phils will get 2 of big 3 or overcompensate.with position players,relievers that make them better. All in, l ads.
larry48
I dought phil gets Harper or Machado I don’t see them with a chance to win east with or without them. Phil has to many bad player and holes
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
Sounds like Phils will get Machado because the other teams are going to pass on him.
yanks02026
Ok, clearly you haven’t been reading the news because the Yankees are very much interested in Machado
GaryWarriorsRedSoxx
I’ve heard just the opposite. No way the Yankees sign Machado. Harper yes Machado no.
Ejemp2006
Yankees have gotten smarter and instead of out bidding others for free agents, they participate in the auction just to drive up everyone’s sales price. Ala Cardinals.
JKB 2
The Cardinals do not bid on free agents to drive up prices. The only make offers to high priced free agents they want to sign.
E_To_The_G
Oh yeah? You dought it?
Sorry man but I can’t take someone seriously who misspells a word that badly. I mean, you didn’t even get close to the pronunciation of “ought” sound. Bought? Dough? Fought? If you went “dout” or “dowt” I would’ve understood; in that case you’re just illiterate. But “dought”? No. No way.
I mean, not even autocorrect?
heater
You get his point. Who cares about grammar and spelling???
PhilsPhan
Grammar and spelling are both very important, actually.
Ry.the.Stunner
Intelligent people care. Nobody wants to argue/debate with a dummy.
PhanaticDuck26
maybe English isn’t his first language. if so, he’s actually bilingual and therefore has more knowledge of vocabulary than you do.
Melchez
When people complain about grammar you know they are losing the argument. If someone’s grammatical abilities determine their knowledge of baseball, Pete Rose would lose a baseball debate with my grandmother.
E_To_The_G
I don’t get his point. I didn’t even get to his point because, like I said, I can’t take some one seriously who misspells a word so badly.
But now that you seem to have made it a thing I’ve read his comment and just as I suspected, it’s as dumb as his spelling.
He says the Phillies can’t win the east with Machado and Harper and they almost won it without them, having been in first the majority of the season.
Yes, those guys would make a difference, on offense and on defense.
The Phillies had the 2nd best FIP in the NL but their defense let the,down severely. They have the most important part of a winning team – pitching.
xabial
Phillies have a lot of holes… Holes in their wallet.. They have so much money, it’s digging a hole in Middleton’s wallet 😉
Harry pness
You’re funny
xabial
Thanks buddy
tacohole
They’ve got holes…HOLES! Hollllles…in different area codes.
PhilsPhan
267’s and 215’s
Marc (Phillies Phan)
xabial – he wants his trophy too LOL
justin-turner overdrive
But do these stars want to play in Phily? They’re a super meh team with only 1 legit star (Nola) and are about a dozen spots they need to upgrade, but there’s teams who are in win-now mode who want these big FA’s too.
Pax vobiscum
They’ll sign with the team that offers the most money…the MLBPA will see to that.
justin-turner overdrive
not even remotely true but ok
JKB 2
I have to agree with Justin-Turner here. It may be true they sign for the most money that would be a shock but the MLBPA will not be dictating where anyone goes.
JKB 2
If course the would want to play in Philly. Its a large market. Strong fanbase. Nice stadium. Solid organization with a good farm system coming towards the end of their rebuild the future is bright. And as a superstar you elevate the team just by signing and adding yourself to it. Oh amd they have money to spend amd want to spend it. Yes Philly is a very attractive option.
petrie000
If the Phillies prove they’re willing to spend big money to get better, why would any player serious about winning a title shy away?
Soldierofgod619
Machado to Phillies.
Harper to White Sox.
callingoutdummies247
Did god tell you this?
JKB 2
I think he is just making a prediction not guaranteeing it but giving his opinion. Not sure why you had a problem with that
mets2424
Phillies suck
Marc (Phillies Phan)
How are the Mets doing outside of de Grom anyway?
Vogt83
If Nola had two more solid starts… He would have won the Cy Young. Your team is SO BAD….that a guy with a 1.50 era could only win 10 games… and you had to hire his agent as GM to have a shot at keeping him.
extreme113
If you’re going to spend ‘a little bit stupid money’ shouldn’t you not advertise it to your competitors and agents?
ZGDC
Agree for sure. Seems like they’re just raising the price for themselves.
Cat Mando
They showed it last year with Arrieta and Santana. The set the stage for once again offering high AAV shorter term deals. Naturally it won’t be 3 or 4 year deals for Harper or Machado but it won’t be 12 or 14 years either.
Slevin
I wouldn’t include Santana in an example, because it’s one of the stupidest signings ever.
JKB 2
Santanas deal being good or bad was not at issue. The point Cat Mando was making was that Philly was offering higher AAV for shorter term deals. That was the point and he was right on
johnrealtime
I actually think it could be a smart ploy, as it will show free agents that they are looking to improve the team and win now. Lets them know that there’s a good chance they’ll be adding other free agents as well. This isn’t haggling at a car dealership where you pretend you only have so much to spend. Agents and players know that teams have the money (there’s no salary cap after all), GMs negotiate based on what they are willing to spend for a player.
CFish96
White Sox have the willingness and flexibility to back up their rumors of being in on Machado and Harper. Won’t be instant World Series contenders, but definitely puts them side by side with the Indians for the division title, especially if the Indians trade one of their top tier pitchers.
Imagine:
Moncada 2B
Machado 3B
Abreu 1B
Harper CF/RF
Jimenez LF
A. Garcia RF/CF
Palka/Davidson/Sanchez DH
Anderson SS
Castillo C
Paints a pretty picture going forward.
justin-turner overdrive
A. Garcia RF/CF
Palka/Davidson/Sanchez DH
Anderson SS
Castillo C
You don’t know what “pretty” means. All these players are trash.
CFish96
That’s why they are the 6-9 hitters. Nobody has stars 1-9.
GarryHarris
No pitching!
E_To_The_G
No pitching? The staff had the 7th best. FIP in baseball last season and 2nd best in NL The starters had the 6th best in baseball, 3rd in NL.
heater
No way they contend in the central even if they sign both of those guys.
heater
Weak as it may be.
Slevin
Harper and Machado don’t pitch.
JKB 2
I expect the White Sox to make serious offers on Machado and Harper. Not sure if they would sign both but at least signing one makes real good sense
joepanikatthedisco
Moncada and his .315 OBP leading off…
Thurman8er
Spend all your money, Philly. Fill all those holes. Give Trout nowhere to go. I’m really, REALLY, okay with that.
Matt_Angel_Bronco_Laker
My thoughts exactly
Baseball_dude
These comments are killing me! lol one guy is trying to compare the Phillies to the orioles? Another guy is saying that if the Phillies sign Harper, Corbin, and Kimbrel, “they still wouldn’t be close to the nationals” news flash.. the nationals won 2 more games than the Phillies last year (not 20 games) 2 games. And on top of that the Nats are loosing Harper.
justin-turner overdrive
Newsflash, the Nats won 90 games via pythag last year and the Phillies won 76. That’s a massive gap that losing Harper won’t even make a dent in.
If you think the Phillies have more than 1 elite talent (Nola), you’re just wrong. They’re scrub central my man, sorry for the wakeup call.
The Phillies would be smarter to sell Nola and tear it down and start over, because as of now, they are really lacking talent.
birdsonbat
Wrong on both win totals
Baseball_dude
How am I wrong on the win totals? The Nats won 82 and the Phillies won 80. Just look at the mlb standings from 2018 and you’ll see every MLB team win and loss record
birdsonbat
I was talkin about jto and gis made up win totals..he was wrong about braves as well earlier in comments
bucketbrew35
Baseball-dude he’s referring to Justin-Turner-Overdrive’s pythagorean bullshit*t. He doesn’t seem to realize that games are still won ON THE FIELD.
Baseball_dude
Gotcha. Yeah I don’t understand why people are going by imaginary win totals. If those numbers actually counted then the Red Sox would have already won the World Series by the time they got to the division series lol
Baseball_dude
Yeah, I didn’t realize he was talking to JTO. We already replied to each other about that lol
BlueJayFan1515
According to BR, Phillies actually did have a 76-86 Pythagorean record.
Slevin
JTO is a loser fan of the A’s…you know the team that’ll be playing in Vegas 2022
JKB 2
BlueJayFan who cares. No one said the pythagorean prediction was not what was predicted. The issue was what did each team in fact actually win. That was 82 wins and 80 wins. The actual numbers. You see when the season is over pythagorean becomes irrelevant.
Baseball_dude
Ok.. now let’s forget about fantasy numbers for a minute and look at the actual records that both teams had.. nationals 82 wins Phillies 80 wins. ( hypothetical situation) If the season ended that day and both teams had 82 wins and were tied for first place would there be a tie breaking game or would Bill James walks out with an envelope telling everybody who won?
JKB 2
@ Justin Turner
Newsflash dude: pythagorean “wins” are not “wins”. You see the 2018 season is in the books. The wins are in stone bro. There is no imaginary win total anymore dummy.
Marc (Phillies Phan)
justin-turner overdrive makes up all of his own numbers on every thread. Don’t have a stat? No problem.
danlcat
Guess u dont follow baseball,huh. Fonda loving chopper…
Cat Mando
Just got home from the bar, huh danlcat?
Vogt83
Pythag? Stop. Lol. According to that stat… The Rays won were the best team in baseball. By the way… Matt Stairs.
OverUnderDone
Middleton kinda reminds me of a guy walking through a bad neighborhood at night counting his money.
beermefool
Why is Grandal on this list…he’s trash
8791Slegna
Just how obscene an amount cash are we talking about here? Profane or really offensive?
danlcat
Hoping profane! Haroer,Machado,Corbin profane. We have done b4!
Matt_Angel_Bronco_Laker
Nice Pretty Woman reference
Phillies2017
I’m a bit concerned about the “we might even be a little stupid” comment. Did they learn nothing from 2012-2015?
Improve the team, but don’t spend money for the sake of spending money, and actually pay attention to positions and need this season.
Marc (Phillies Phan)
Phillies2017 – I think he is trying to fire people up. But I hope he learned from 2012-2015. In his defense, many of those bad contracts though were earlier too and things in MLB have changed.
thefenwayfaithful 2
I’m with ya here. Get a little crazy but not Ryan Howard crazy. More Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay crazy!
Coast1
I think you’re learning the wrong lesson from 2012-2015. There are two big ones. First, if your farm system fails to produce players you can’t win no matter how many old veterans you have. Second, if your team is too heavy with players over 30 you are going to get a lot of them dropping off and you won’t win.
The lesson isn’t don’t spend money. They never actually spent so much that they couldn’t spend more. In fact, they always had money for an A.J. Burnett or Marlon Byrd. The Phillies did have a lot of players earning $10 million plus on 4-5 year deals. You don’t want to have 7 or 8 of those guys. But right now they have no player who has a salary over $10 million that has more than 2 years on his deal. They can certainly have a few of them. The Red Sox did.
dshires4
As a Mariners fan, I hope they sign one of Harper or Machado. That escalated their contention window to 2019 and beyond, and would probably put them into the Paxton sweepstakes. Any and all competition for him in a trade is welcome!
Backatitagain
Thinking Acuña cf Albies 2b Realmuto c Freeman 1b Donaldson 3B Brantly lf Camargo ss Inciarte rf bench Swanson Culberson Flowers Tucker. Folty Gausman Newcomb Teheran Toussaint/Soroka/Fried/Gohara/Wright/Anderson Vizcaino O’Day Minter Winkler Gohara Wilson Sobotka Biddle. 100 wins!
Backatitagain
Sign Donaldson 2/40 with op out after one year. Sign Brantley 3/45. Trade for Realmuto or Posey 2/16. Well within the budget. Use remaining to upgrade BP and but Ace at deadline for WS.
bighiggy
Dont think the giants are gonna trade Posey. And I think both Posey and realmuto both make more than 2/16
danlcat
Hoping profane! Harper,Machado,Corbin profane. We have done b4!
danlcat
No posey. But jt in addition to corbin,harper,manny…him or ramos..
proof2006
The Marlins are not trading Realmuto in the division.
c1234
Why spend your money stupidly when you can spend your money smartly? 🙂
GarryHarris
Dear Mr Middleton,
I’m a Tiger fan but a Baseball fan first. The Phillies are in a good place and are closer than many think but, please don’t fall into the trap that winning the headlines in the off-season translates into winning in the regular season. Although most stars and their agents will argue otherwise, the Phillies franchise is bigger than any one player.
danlcat
No posey. But jt in addition to corbin,harper,manny…him or ramos..
E_To_The_G
These comments are really stupid, for the most part at least.
Based on what was not spent in the last few years they’ve probably created a surplus of about $360M based off of total payroll flexibility and the incorporation of their newly enacted tv contract. PLUS, they own a huge percentage of their network and it’s advertising. That tv contract income alone would cover a $200M a year payroll.
Add to that that they showed what would happen if they put a winning team on the field – which is sell out about 4 years straight worth of games while attracting MASSIVE tv audiences, which as I just mentioned they make tons of money off of.
And that sports network they own? Yeah, they cover the current super bowl champions ($$$) and televise one of, if not the most, exciting young teams in basketball ($$$, $$$). And don’t forget one of the most popular hockey teams in the NHL. All in the 5th largest media market in the country – one that doesn’t have to split viewership between two teams in each sport like NY, Chicago and LA. CHA F’IN CHING.
So yeah, they can overpay for both Machado and Harper and still not have it even dent their payroll flexibility. THAT’S what Middleton is talking about.
antsmith7
This year’s FA class is top heavy, but not deep. Next years class actually seems deeper.
bush1
Hopefully they don’t sign another idiotic useless inflated contract like Santana.
Coast1
I think Middleton is saying that they aren’t afraid to do that. Even if you judge Santana’s contract as idiotic and inflated the Phillies payroll is so low that giving Santana $25 million in 2018 didn’t hinder them any more than giving him $10 million.
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Oh, Santana hindered them alright.. Made Hoskins an inept choice for LF; pretty much sabotaged Aaron Altherr from the get-go and Santana’s defense at 1B wasn’t the gold glove type that was advertised. Other than that, hitting in the .220s all year with only a modicum of pop, well he was a star!
Ken lantz
This is like an auction.
Middleton is posturing making it sound like he opening his as far as it needs to go. That way some teams will be afraid to even get into a start persue any of the above and he will get them cheaper saving himself millions of dollars. As a Phillies fan I think that they are only a few pieces away from being a contender. Management is one of the main pieces missing.
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
Only problem with spending Cigar Guy’s money is Klentak is the guy doing the spending. Spent $90 million on FA last year and only Neshek, after he returned from injury, was a plus. Sanatana, Hunter and Arrieta were either a disappointment or a plain vanilla non-factor.
Also, all of Kapler’s jockeying of the line up didn’t allow us to find out a whole lot about our younger players. Hate to say it, but bag the big FA signings, play the kids everyday and then see what you have come season’s end. Trade Santana and Arrieta, maybe Cesar Hernandez, too.
Brian grzybowski
Harper and machado to the white Sox
Moncada 3b
Anderson cf
Harper rf
Eloy lf
Machado SS
Abreu 1st
Palka dh
Fill in 2b
Castillo c
When Robert comes up in 2020 Anderson to 2nd or madrigal at 2nd and trade Anderson. Filthy
Pax vobiscum
Absolutely for this. Go for it Sox!
JKB 2
Robert is an outfielder. Why would his coming up necessitate a move of Anderson?
Vogt83
Phils should go for Harper….trade for Paxton or sign Happ… Pass on Machado … Wait for Arenado after next year and Trout later. Hoskins, Harper, Arenado and Trout inn the same lineup… In their prime… For half a decade or more.