DECEMBER 7: The signing is now official. Richards will earn $7MM in the first year of the deal and $8.5MM in the second, Jon Heyman of Fancred tweets. The contract includes $250K bonuses for every start he makes from his 21st through his 30th.
NOVEMBER 29, 7:14pm: Heyman tweets that Richards will be guaranteed $15.5MM and can earn another $2.5MM worth of incentives on the deal.
3:59pm: It’s a straight two-year deal for Richards, Passan further tweets. With incentives, the contract can max out at a total of $18MM.
3:49pm: Richards’ two-year agreement comes with a hefty guarantee of roughly $15MM, per Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports (Twitter link). That’s a new precedent for a player coming off Tommy John surgery, though the timing of Richards’ surgery also makes it at least plausible that he could return to the mound before the end of the 2019 season.
3:45pm: The Padres have reached an agreement with free-agent right-hander Garrett Richards, tweets Fancred’s Jon Heyman. The ISE Baseball client was reported earlier today to be a target of both the Padres and the division-rival Dodgers.
Richards may not pitch in 2019 after undergoing Tommy John surgery in mid July, but other free-agent starters in his situation have recently landed two-year guaranteed deals with an eye toward contributing in the second season of that pact. Namely, both Michael Pineda and Drew Smyly signed two-year, $10MM contracts last winter (with the Twins and Cubs, respectively), while Nathan Eovaldi inked a two-year, $4MM pact with the Rays an offseason prior. All three of those hurlers had undergone Tommy John surgery and were known to be out for the vast majority of the first season of those two-year deals.
A former top 50 overall draft pick (No. 42 in 2009), Richards established himself on the Angels’ pitching staff in 2013 and looked to be one of the more promising young arms in the American League by the end of the 2015 campaign. In 2014-15, the righty pitched to a combined 3.18 ERA through 376 innings (58 starts) and averaged 8.1 K/9 against 3.0 BB/9 along the way.
Injuries, however, have limited the now-30-year-old Richards to just 138 2/3 innings in the three seasons since that time. He’s been quite good when healthy enough to take the mound — 3.05 ERA, 9.6 K/9, 3.6 BB/9, 3.59 FIP — but by the lengthy slate of arm injuries that has slowed his career now make him an upside play in free agency rather than the potential frontline starter many expected he’d become after that strong 2013-15 showing.
The most recent ulnar collateral ligament injury for Richards was actually the second of his career; he also suffered a UCL tear back in 2016 but opted to undergo stem cell treatment to avoid surgery. While that did stave off Tommy John surgery for awhile, Richards was ultimately forced to undergo the procedure this past summer when he was diagnosed with another tear.
For the Padres, the addition of Richards dovetails nicely with the organization’s projected timeline to contend. The Friars have begun to mix in some win-now moves with their longstanding efforts to rebuild the organization and were said this offseason to be eyeing pitchers who can help them contend in 2020, when much of the upcoming wave of young talent has surfaced at the MLB level. The Friars have little in the way of rotation certainty at the moment, so it’s still possible that they could add another arm on a multi-year deal — likely one who’d still be in his prime into 2020 and beyond. They’ve been tied to younger free-agent starters like Nathan Eovaldi and Yusei Kikuchi this offseason, and they’ve also been rumored to have interest in Mets righty Noah Syndergaard.
Cool lets try to sign Trevor Cahill next.Looking forward to that 2020 season.
Again?
Whats wrong with him? Started 20 games 110IP/90 hits ERA 3.76,FIP 3.54. He doesnt need a longterm or expensive contract. If a team like Oakland who won 97 games is interested a team like the padres with one of the worst starter ERA in the National League last season should also be interested. Plus he pitched well in San Diego so they know what they are getting.
He isn’t that good. Padres need to start getting quality not innings eaters
Hey, we all know trading a guy means he will never sign with you again even if you offer the most money.
When 7/10 of your top prospects are pitchers having some nice stopgaps should be what the padres be looking at. Clayton Richard was our opening day starter if that doesnt scream pitching help im not sure what would.
He’s hurt. Always. Great pitcher though.
What percentage sign back later? 2%? 1%?
Not sure but what percentage of those guys who didn’t sign back had their original team offer them the most money in free agency? Probably not even 1%.
Cahill is back end or decent reliever, but he’s never healthy. I think the Padres would rather take safer bets like Richards than guys like Cahill.
Cahill belongs on a team further back in a rebuild than SD. SD can’t take risks of his caliber so close to contention. They’re going to shoot for highest reward in future trade value guys, like Richards, who has landed in the best possible place to parlay into one more biggish payday. Great sign all round.
Richards is anything but a safe bet
Just ask Chapman.
Richards is the very definition of a “quality NOT innings eater”. He probably won’t be eating any innings in 2019.
Richards? Seriously? We need actual pitchers, not guys who can’t do it anymore.
Good grief, start thinking like like a winner. At least pretend you want to win.
You were talking about Clayton Richard, righ?
There is nothing safe about a guy who threw 130 innings in the last 3 years and is now coming off another TJ. There’s nothing safe about the 15 million dollars they just spent. He obviously has tremendously higher upside than Cahill but in no way is he safer.
$15mm?
There AJ goes again.
Dont kno bout GREAT. If Pads wait,dont rush…let him heal…expect nada next year,he will be just fine.
why would any free agent sign with padres, they will finish last in NL west
Because some players like being employed
Uh … Moustakis. Last year.
So he signed for 2 seasons but he’ll pitch for one and can earn up to 18 million. The Dodgers signed Ryu for 1 season at 17.9. Which is a better deal?
Richards is a “safe bet” you say? The man is literally coming to the Padres on the DL with no guarantee he won’t get hurt again or even be the same pitcher he was if he is healthy.
You’re talking out of your ass, bro.
Richards is not considered an innings eater in any universe that I’m aware of..
Yeah, the “rockstar” strikes again. Signs a pitcher that won’t even take the mound until 2020.
We won’t be competitive in 2019. In fact, we’re still several years away.
The perpetual rebuild …
There’s nothing wrong with taking a flyer on Richards – particularly because in this vaulted rebuild of a team playing its games in a cavernous pitchers park…..their prospect list has few quality pitchers…..and even less quality defenders, especially in the OF.
So AJ overpays – again – this time for a pitcher coming off TJ surgery. Keep in mind that San Diego is a small market team with a small market budget.
It’s almost as if AJ is building a team to play in Citizens Bank Park, while Matt Klentak is building a team to play in Petco.
Then again, the commonality of the two gentlemen is that they don’t care much about defense, nor their players and manager exhibiting anything resembling a baseball IQ during games.
Are you saying the Padres, who have 7 pitchers in MLB.com’s top 92 prospects, “have few quality pitching prospects”? Because if you are, you are incorrect. And BA, Law and Fangraphs are also high on many of the Padres pitching prospects, so it isn’t like MLB is playing favourites.
Do us both a favor……..
Look up the top 100 prospects list for each of the past 5 years.
See how many names were on it for multiple years. Then come back and tell us how many of the names you recognize.
What I don’t get is this…….
If the Padres have so many solid pitching prospects, and know they will not compete in 2019, why are they talking to the Mets, Indians, and others about trading for a front line pitcher that will be a free agent in 2-3 years?
Wouldn’t it make more sense to keep all their prospects and overpay to bring a Gio Gonzalez, Clay Buchholz, Tommy Milone, Josh Tomlin or even a Bartolo Colon to come in for what will still be cheap dollars to lend a veteran presence in 2019?
P.S. If BA, Law, and Fangraphs knew what they we doing, they’d be working for an ML organization and making far more money. Check out their records the past 5 years.
There’s a reason that Baseball Prospectus’ mantra is “There’s no such thing as a pitching prospect.”
In fact, if anybody thinks they can start printing World Series tickets because they have “prospects,” they know nothing about Major League Baseball. Nothing.
Same goes for other teams’ prospects
Never said it didn’t.
Huh? Keith Law worked for a ML team for years, and dozens of Fangraphs and BA writers have gone on to work for MLB teams. The Houston front office has like five former fangraphs authors in it. Try again.
You said the “Padres list has few quality pitchers”, which if you meant their prospect list, is inaccurate. If you do not believe in prospects, then don’t mention them in a post.
16 million lol
more like 7 years before padres competitive.
So he’ll be ready to pitch in 2020? Ok, I’m good with that. Good job AJP.
That makes it a one year deal.
for 15 million for maybe 1 year, most TJ surgery aren’t good until 3rd year.
Smart move.
Padres2020ha!!!!
Surprised he picked us over the big bright lights of LA
Probably offered less money and anyone knows that the padres could be a serious threat to take the west in 2020 but it really depends on what they do this off season and the next
I’d like to see the difference. Or maybe the Doyers tried to bring the price up.
Yes. Blame the Dodgers for a potential Padre overpay.
Why not? It worked when LA picked up all those awful Bosox contracts. The LA boogeyman…. Striking again!
It was an honest question you loser troll
lol
lol!
Take the West. Get to .500 and then worry about “taking the west”
We aren’t even taking out the garbage in 2020 without seeing some significant improvement in 2019.
Seriously.
Money. That’s why.
I have no horse in this race but I think he made a smart move.
Think about this…. you get paid to sit on your butt and recover for a year. Would you rather do it in San Diego or Los Angeles? Then he plays his free agent year in a pitcher’s park. Great way to bring up his value. He can always move up the Pacific Coast Highway to LA in two years. He’ll still be in his mid-30s.
Got one right. Anyways, nice signing. Hope he stays healthy for 2020 and comes back strong
Is it? This season is most likely a wash and
It’s a 15 million dollar deal for one season of production for a guy coming off TJ. The AAV is lower and spreads the cost out but for a team not pushing up on the tax line that really only has so many advantages.
Even if the Padres dont contend or have a winning season in 2019, they should be contending in 2020. And that is the time richards should be ready. I like this signing.of course the money may be a little high. Maybe they had to bid out the dodgers
and if for whatever reason (injuries etc) they aren’t ready in 2020, Richards becomes primo trade deadline bait to grab even more prospects – although SD has so many prospects, they really are in a better place to try and trade for someone big, just because they can. Realmuto maybe? Kluber? Both?
The absolute last thing a team like the padres should do is trade for someone big. Why would you give up that kind of prospect capital for 2 years of realmuto when you for sure won’t be good for one year and aren’t likely going to be a WS contender in the 2nd? If the Padres are making a big deal it needs to be for a guy who they can control for the next half decade. Not 2 seasons. That’d just be throwing this rebuild back another two steps.
Why would the Padres trade for JTR who can be a free agent in two years when they already have two quality catchers on the roster?
Oh I’m sorry, I just read a bunch of “were contending in 2020” comments up and down this thread, and so I just showed that they could add two of the most valuable players in the game without it even putting a dent in their farm, which would absolutely help them contend in 2020, but you had to be cold oatmeal, didn’t you?
I’m not as optimistic about their odds of contending in 2020 as others but either way they’re better off rolling with Hedges and/or Mejia and letting someone else gut the farm for JTR. Plus I doubt whether Michael Hill is too keen on dealing with Preller again.
In my opinion, i think they should wait till they are contending midseason before actually trading away prospects. We saw what happened last time They tried contending and traded away a ton of prospects. They might do it anyways though this offseason
2021 at earliest
Yes, rentals bring back such large hauls lately.
That doesn’t actually work because you can’t control who is available at the precise moment you get good and waiting around after your younger players get good means you’re just burning their controllable years because you waited around too long to surround them with other talented players.
So now you’re not optimistic about contending in 2020? Since when? Seems we’ve debated that point before, and you were adamant that we would contend in 2020, despite all common sense and reality.
At any rate, welcome to the club. 2019 will be a huge indicative factor for 2020.
Prsr I’ve always said 2021 was the best case scenario.
No, it wasn’t.
But, at least a lot of our fans are consistent. Every year our more optimistically depressing fans chant the “We’ll be contenders in 20xx” without even being smart enough to realize they’ve been saying exactly the same thing for years. All they do is add another number to the year, and then deny it. Pathetic.
And it pre-dates Preller’s arrival.
You can be a realistic fan without having to lie to yourself.
According to you I was “adamant that we would contend in 2020.” Pretty sure I’ve always said 2021. I could end up being wrong about that but that is when I expect the Padres to be a realistic contender.
It’s an $18 million deal for one season with incentives.
Alex Cobb makes $14,000,000 a year.
Starting pitching on the free agent market is inherently ridiculously priced.
It is. But baltimore bet against themselves signing Cobb.
Good for Richards, but wow. I expected a much lower AAV with a ton of incentives.
If Smyly can get 2y/$10, then Richards at 2y/$15 seems reasonable to me.
Garrett Richards has thrown 130 innings since 2015 and now he’s coming off a TJ. This was a risky signing. Definitely way more than I thought
And Smyly got $10mil after pitching zero innings in 2017 with not nearly the track record of Richard. Will it work out? Who knows but there’s not too much risk here for $7.5 mil a year.
Smyly threw more innings in 2016 than Richards has in the last 3. Richards is definitely much better when he’s healthy but when has that been? I’m not saying there’s no upside but there’s plenty of downside as well. 15 million isn’t a crushing sum to a ML team but you paid a non insignificant price for a pitcher who hasn’t thrown 130 innings the last 3 years combined prior to this TJ. On top of that the deal is also incentive laden which further hampers some of the upside. It’s not a terrible deal but it’s certainly more than most people thought..
Well how about you writing the check if you think $7.5 million isn’t significant…..think about the ticket prices, hotdogs, beer, team stuff that will undoubtedly have to compensate for that 7.5 mill….cough it up at the ballpark MR. FAN AS ALWAYS!
And by the way, you’ll watch this team lose close to 100 games fo the next year at least so think about that for a minute the next time you want to take in a ballgame with your family and it costs you a small new mortgage to go.
The only guy who’s smiling is Garrett Richards!
Payroll isn’t tied to concessions.
Comments never disappoint. Thanks!
You don’t know much about how concessions work, do you? Yes, the team makes some money. So do the venue owners.
To the Padres 7.5 million is a lot.
thats not 15 mil a season right? 15 million total i hope
Totally
$15m total. Still waiting to hear what the breakdown of that is.
Omg the breakdown is huge
Well, considering he wont pitch in 2019, it will be $15m for one season…. let’s see the next move to make room on the 40 man roster
It might as well be 15 per season since it’s a 2 year deal and he won’t be pitching the first one.
He won’t pitch in 2019, so it’s for one season.
The question is how much of that are the Padres paying in 2019 and how much in 2020? They are required to pay him at least $500k in 2019 and it’s possible they’ll pay even more that year so that they don’t have as much money on the books in 2020 when Wil Myers’ salary jumps from $5.5m to $22.5m.
It doesn’t matter how you break it down. He’s essentially pitching for one season. That season just happens to be 2020. Some dummies would call that a “rental.” (Galvis?)
Richards turns into a valuable trade chip if he returns to form and the Padres aren’t contending at the deadline in 2020.
Oh, so now we’re back to saying the greatest value any player on the Padres has is “trade” value. Not talent. Not his ability to actually contribute to winning baseball games. Just who can we get back in trade. Yep. Recipe for building a winner is to put a revolving door on the clubhouse.
Well it certainly isn’t letting players leave in free agency when the team is clearly out of the race by the trade deadline *cough* Galvis *cough*
How would guy who hasn’t pitched full season be trade chip 2020? So hasn’t pitched full season now going to tac another month of postseason baseball on his arm ok
Hasn’t pitched full season since 2015 then 2020 going to be Lee Majors
You spent all season telling everybody you thought Galvis was nothing more than a worthless rental. You should take something for that cough.
He was worthless to the 96-loss Padres and will not win them any games beyond 2018 unless they sign him (which they could have done without trading for him)
He will be healthy in time to provide SP or bullpen for a late season wild card push.
4 games back, late August….
Ya know, some of us actually learn from our mistakes.
best of luck, garret! hope you are traded back to the angels when you are healthy.
1 right !!!!!
I remember when I thought to myself I could predict the free agent destinations.
Good times.
I thought it was likely that he’d end up with a rebuilding team that could use him in 2020, I just picked the Tigers instead of the Padres
Here’s hoping Jose Pirela is DFA’d to clear that roster spot.
Yes!
Pirela must have naked pictures of Preller’s wife.
I don’t know how he survive the first wave of DFA’s/cuts. Here’s to hoping he doesn’t survive this one.
-Sincerely,
Every single Padre fan on earth
He must be part cucaracha
No, he’s one of Preller’s “boys.” Right there with Mitchell and Margot. Green had little to no control over the lineup in 2018, and it showed.
OK that puts me in the 0 – 4 group. Who’s With Me!!
0-4
It would be incredibly smart for the deal to be front loaded. Even if things don’t break right for the Pads in 2020 that would make Richards’ trade value that much higher if he excels.
Too much money. Padres getting too aggressive. Next they will trade away some top prospects
The reality is that if Preller doesn’t trade some prospects for some legit players, we won’t be competitive in 2019 or 2020.
Lotto numbers please
Overpay.
Richards is laughing all the way to the bank.
Any word on what the breakdown of that $15m is?
The bad news is that I’m only 1/4 but the good news is that Joey Gallo thinks that’s impressive
I literally LOLed on this one
Seems a tad steep to me
Padres just take the hint already and tank for a year or two. The franchise is like watching someone struggle in quick sand.
He won’t pitch in 2019 so this IS tanking for a year. If they aren’t in the race at the trade deadline in 2020 and this guy is pitching as well as he has thus far when healthy they should be able to flip him for another prospect.
Maybe….with that injury history aside from TJ for the last 3 years…..maybe unless he’s pitching lights out which is a gamble.
The Rock Star GM at work!!!
All of his injuries the past 3 years have been tied to the UCL damage, have they not? Obviously there is risk involved with Tommy John but if he makes it back and still has the same stuff he wouldn’t really be an injury risk anymore.
No, they haven’t. His injuries started with a torn patella tendon in his knee in late 2014 which kept him out until May of ’15. Yes, in ’16 he had an elbow ligament problem, but he opted to go with some “new” treatment instead of TJ.
“the past 3 years”
Yes, you said “3 years.” His injury history goes back further.
We’ve been “tanking” since 2015 … Stuck in a perpetual rebuild even longer.
The knee issue hasn’t bothered him since early 2015. No reason to suspect that it will be a problem in 2020.
15 mil and he’s not pitching this year? Coming off TJ #2? Jeez, sounds rich.
It is rich because just because you have TJ surgery, there’s no golden ticket that you come back better or even as good as you were.
Spend money on players that can play for you now, and stop worrying about 2020….geez it must be rough to be a Padres fan!
This was his first TJ surgery.
Right, I forgot he rehabbed the first UCL injury and opted for TJ this year. But he also had a significant knee injury somewhere in there. Either way, it’s a big guarantee for a guy that’s not pitching this year and has missed a lot of time the last 3 years.
Massive overpay IMO.15-18 m for a pitcher in a year’s time that has been full of injuries.
Assume 15 then. If he hits the incentives to get 18, I don’t think it would be overpay.
Even then, 18 M for 1 year (and a year later than the signing) seems like too much.
Welcome
I just hope it’s not another Josh Johnson scenario
Bad Contract. A Total Gamble. . . For What. ? . . . The Agents Are Loving This. I would never sign a guy two years away after Tommy John… Waste of Money. Time. Why Not Spend Big This year on a guy who can help you this year… Or they’re already cashing in there chips to a bad season… Preparing for a breakout year for the ballclub according to timelines, is nearsighted…. Because I believe even if not making the playoffs. . . The organization as a whole can garner a winning attitude. ! Momentum. And team spirit while guys will want to Stay It Thru To The End. !!!
Don’t Comment Like This . . . Please. !!!
are you having an aneurysm?
Worked out for Eovaldi.
Not so much for the Rays, though. They paid him to rehab all of ’17, and he only pitched 10 games for them in ’18.
For every cherry you pick off the tree, there are dozens more rotting on the ground beneath your feet.
Not a fan. That contract is way too big, especially in guaranteed money, for a pitcher who likely won’t pitch in 2019, and you HOPE can return to form after his second TJ surgery and HOPE he can stay healthy for a year (which he has never really been able to do). So ultimately, they just paid about 15-18 million for one season of “we hope he comes back….”
Josh Johnson signing 2.0….. only way bigger contract. Bad bad bad
“Josh Johnson signing 2.0….. only way bigger contract. Bad bad bad”
lol, imagining being triggered for life based on one signing didn’t work out?
Taking risks is the only way to win. If SD thinks 2020 is when their window opens, then getting potentially an ace-quality guy for $18M is peanuts. SD actually have the most to spend this offseason (as was brought up in the chats this week), it was said (paraphrasing) SD, White Sox and Oakland have the most “fun” money out of all the teams. This is fun.
You beat me to the punch! See below – LOL
I’m sorry… “based on ONE signing didn’t work out”?? Are you under the impression that has been the only signing not to work out? Maybe I should’ve said Jared Weaver. And if SD has the most to spend this offseason, and they use a big chunk of it on a player who won’t be playing this year, and they hope comes back in 2020… that’s just piss poor management. That’s “spending just to spend”, to say to the fanbase “see? We are spending. We are trying”. Spending just to spend looks like a great strategy (cough…. eric hosmer…. cough). It’s another example, after many many examples, of how AJ Preller is a master of building up a farm system…. and a complete dud when it comes to constructing a MAJOR LEAGUE roster
Overpaying for “hope” and for “maybe” fits the Padres mindset. It’s just like falling in love with prospects and pinning all of your hopes on “potential.”
It’s hard enough being a Padres fan without having to deal with such an unrealistic fan base.
Exactly, and the 1 year you may get will be his walk year and he’ll most likely be auditioning for a new team or will get flipped by the Padres if they aren’t in contention.
Wish my company would pay for that kind of performance!
Another Rock Star GM move! Let’s add more contract incentives….please!
The Padres aren’t competing next year. Garrett won’t be ready next year. 15m is too much but nobody can say this is a bust deal when not even 1 pitch has been made. We have a potential jewel in our pocket. If it’s a bust, then it is. Garrett will have 2 years with Balsley. What is that worth?
Agree, it could be a gem in 2020…. but that’s a huge if for a huge contract
You should probably take a good hard look at our team pitching stats over the last few years before you proclaim Balsley the god of all pitching coaches. It hasn’t been good, and nobody’s trying to hire him away.
Brad Hand, Tyson Ross, Heath Bell and Huston Street would like to have a word with you outside…
In his defense, he did say the “last few years”…. I don’t think Houston street or Heath bell fall into that category. Maybe you forgot Travis wood, Jared weaver, Luis perdomo, etc.
How about last year? Craig Stammen, Brad Hand, Stock, Yates? More success stories than not. Nobody hears of the pitchers the Padres have til after Balsley
You spent all season telling everybody you thought Galvis was nothing more than a worthless rental. You should take something for that cough.
WCR … reality would like to have a chat with you.
Maybe I should list the literally dozens of pitching failures? You can’t just cherry-pick a couple of names and say you’ve proven your point.
My point is simply that Balsley is good, but he doesn’t have a magic wand.
Why did you post the same comment twice?
@Kwflanne There’s been way more successes than failures. Balsley is the man.
I could have named way more than 4 pitchers. I was trying to keep my response short so that people would read it but I guess I should have kept going…
In the end, you don’t get to be the longest tenured pitching coach in MLB (I believe the longest tenured coach of any kind) without doing something right.
As far as who WCR is, you’re gonna have to explain that one to us.
You were outed on MLB.com and Reddit a few months back. You even admitted to it, so you probably don’t want to go there. But, honestly, it’s not important to me how many different screen names you have. You still use WestCoastRyan on at least one. It’s a reflection on you and you alone.
As for the double-post thing, I (admittedly) have issues with the mobile ap.
Lol nice try. No one has ever outed me for anything. I already proved that I’m not west coast ryan. You said that I “admitted” to it on another thread two months ago, I asked you to provide a link to where I supposedly did this and you crawled back into your little hole (similar to what Pads Fans does when he is proven wrong). You are probably going to do the same thing again now.
I only have one account. This one. It is enough.
See? You just crawled back into your little hole again! If you had any actual case you wouldn’t have to do that.
Why would he go to a losing team. He won’t even be part of the team when they are good in 5 years.
Money.
Must really be hard to be a Padres fan. More power to them.
Last Winning Season: 2010
Last Playoff Appearance: 2006
Last Pennant: 1998
Last World Series Victory: Never
Franchise W/L % .461
Percent of Park filled in 2018, on Average: 64.5%
It is very tough.
All I want as a Padre fan is to experience the rush of attending a playoff game at home. What I would pay to be able to do that in my adult life. Lol I’m 31 now and the last time the Padres made the playoff I played hookie my Junior year of high school back in 2006 to watch the team get pounded by STL.
You were 19 in your junior year of HS?
Apologies, I turn 31 on Monday. I graduated in 2006 so it was my senior year. I was 17. No need to have to explain but since you want to call people out for minor details, then there you go.
I was at the last 2 padres playoff games. They were wonderful!
They don’t think they can truly compete until 2020.
We will NOT compete in 2020 unless some drastic improvement is seen in 2019.
Didn’t know you played for the Padres bro
something doesn’t add up here but nice story…
Shush Warren, go fact check someone else. You tool.
If you were born in December, 1987, then you were 18 (almost 19) in October 2006. Did you mean you watched the Padres lose to St. Louis in 2005? Because, the Cardinals bounced the Padres in both 2005 and 2006.
I am your age but I am a Red Sox fan, and, I have to say, I have been very blessed by my team’s performance on the field since I first watched them as a child.
I don’t see why the Padres ~60m payroll can’t be increased by the addition of Corbin, Machado, Harper and the like. Then you get at least 10 more wins. I’m with Scott Boras on what it takes to build contenders.
agreed actually it’s hard supporting any team that is/was from San Diego. beautiful place to live but I guess not a good place to be a professional sports team. I’m still waiting for that winning feeling.
And on the flip side, how do Padres, Mariners & Marlins fans even know how to build a contender in 2018 in the first place? They haven’t seen one in literal decades.
Nope…we get to live in San Diego and you get to live in whatever crappy town you do. We win every time
you do have a point there. San Diego is a special place
Padre fans think every prospect going to be great, not the most informed bunch.
Most of fans rooting for opposing team
This move makes sense for the Padres, as they love washed up pitchers – For instance Josh Johnson signed him for 8 million in 2014 & 1 million in 2015 and never through a pitch for the Padres. They should have about the same results with Richards…..
Almost every team has done this, like damn, who roasted you guys over josh johnson so bad that he’s the bar for all your “I hate this signing” takes?
Let’s look at the potential Syndergaard fit with Richards now on board.
Assuming Syndergaard costs Lucchesi, Margot, Austin Allen and Robert stock.
That would leave potential rotation candidates as:
1. Syndergaard
2. Richards (when healthy)
3. Lamet (when healthy)
4. Lauer/Paddack/Strahm
5. Richard
I can see them still bringing in a guy like Gio or Marco Estrada to get another veteran depth piece to fill in until Richards is healthy to eat innings/ help protect the young arms. I think each of those two can be had to a very similar figure as Garrett Richards.
BVW blocks Preller’s number if that is the package he offers
Um that’s an overpay for Thor. The Mets would be morons if they turned that down.
Looks like we found one of Preller’s accounts that he uses on this site
Lmao that’s a good one but I think he was being sarcastic at least I hope lol
Syndergaard is one of the top 10 pitchers in baseball and the best you’re going to offer up is a mid-
back end starter. A glove first outfielder and 2 other decent prospects? Tell me how that works. Trades for top players have to hurt a little bit.
I like Syndergaard, but please don’t say he is top 10 in baseball. That’s a joke.
Name 9 better pitchers lol
Jacob deGrom, Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander, Chris Sale, Patrick Corbin, Gerrit Cole, Trevor Bauer, Luis Severino, Aaron Nola and Corey Kluber.
I agree with only 5 Degrom, max, Verlander, sale and Nola. My first question would be why do you think Corbin is better ?
The fact that 6.3 WAR > 4.2 WAR
It’s going to be preference on Corbin or Bauer or syndergaard. Bauer and Corbin have been mostly durable but they haven’t been a high end starter for more than one year. But that’s not the important part. He’s a top 10 talent for sure. Lists are also fluid. He’s right there.
Noah made 8 less starts and has had a superior career to this point, so you rather have Corbin over Noah ? Just based off of who you think would be more productive.
The fact that Thor made 8 fewer starts due to injuries is actually a perfect example of why Corbin is a better pitcher. If you want to say that 1 year isn’t a large enough sample size, I can simply expand the list to top pitchers by fWAR over the last 3 seasons (all of Thor’s full MLB seasons) to find that he is still only ranked twelfth.
fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&…
And Corbin was 21st. None of us put Carrasco in the top 10 and kershaw has seemed to fall off everyone’s top 10 list. It’s all subjective and there’s other measures than WAR to measure a pitcher. The data tells you he’s a top talent even with injuries.
Corbin broke out in a huge way this year. I don’t follow the Diamondbacks so idk if there is anything to suggest that his 2018 performance (or something close to it) is sustainable. Guess all there is to do is wait and see.
Why don’t you have Carrasco in the top 10?
If you are going to penalize Kershaw for the injuries, you have to penalize Thor.
Everyone on that list has a lot more starts than Noah but yet barely lead in war.
Again, the fact that Thor has fewer starts due to injuries is a perfect example of why the other guys are better. fWAR is by no means a perfect indicator of how important the trade-off is between rate stats and innings pitched but it’s what we have to work with.
Why don’t you have Carrasco in your top 10? Kershaw? If you want to change your mind you have to bump one of Bauer or Corbin to do so. Carrasco probably should be a top 10 starter and probably gets overlooked because of Kluber and Bauer’s presence. The data says he is but I wouldn’t put him there. Syndergaard is a top 10 talent. There’s no definite list here. I’d probably have kershaw in my top 10 over Corbin at this point but again that’s a fluid situation.
My first comment where I named 10 guys was the top 10 pitchers according to fWAR for 2018. You and alc47 took issue with my inclusion of Corbin based on only one season of ace-caliber performance so I then expanded it to 2016-2018.
I don’t think that makes the other guys better, just more reliable. If the question was is he top 10 when healthy easily that’s a yes you could even make a case to put him around the top 5. He missed last year because of a freak injury I think everyone put too much stock into last year.
No, you don’t get to move the goalposts. alc47 said “Name 9 better pitchers” and durability absolutely makes you a better pitcher. As someone else said earlier, “The best ability is availability.”
Yeah I mean I didn’t really come here to argue over the 10-12 slots in SP rankings. He’s right there. That wasn’t my original point this got a little off track here.
Agreed, I’m just happy to have Noah on my side hopefully where he stays so he can prove to everyone he’s undoubtably top 10.
WAR?
LMAO.
I mean I kinda already admitted that it’s not the perfect indicator on how important the trade off between rate stats and innings pitched is but no one has come out with anything better as if yet.
There is no better measure of player value for starting pitchers. For position players its next to useless because of all the shifts that take the players out of the zones used in defensive component of WAR.
rooster: props for starting to see the failure of WAR as a stat.
Anything better? No, because it’s a failed attempt at quantifying things that can’t be compared and quantified as integrals to each other. It’s a derivative that tries to compare apples/oranges and estimates. The only thing better is to actually look at the numbers individually; peripherals and counting stats.
Even the so-called “father of Sabermetrics,” Bill James scoffs at WAR. That should tell you something.
Err… what? I always said that WAR is far from a perfect stat. But if we want to compare Thor to other starters, we need to find a way to determine how important the trade-off is between rate stats and durability. I see no other stat that even attempts to quantify that.
Why would the Mets ever make that trade ? Lol
Dan O’Dowd suggested this proposal on MLB now yesterday:
Padres receive:
SP- Noah Syndergaard, C Travis D’Arnaud.
Mets receive: SP Joey Lucchesi, C Austin Hedges, SP Chris Paddack.
Either way, it won’t cost Gore, Tatis, Urias, etc. The above proposal with any mixture of Margot, Nix, Quantrill, L. Allen, A.Allen should be able to get something done.
After the Mets/Mariners finish that deal, Cano/Diaz- they can then focus on Syndergaard to SD at the winter meetings.
Either way I do believe Syndergaard will be the Padres opening day starter in ‘19.
Paddack is significantly better than anyone In your initial proposal and has TOR upside. Though even that seems stupid from the Mets perspective at this point. I wouldn’t have a problem w paddack headlining a deal for Thor but I would require much stronger secondary pieces.
Switch out Mejia for Hedges then. I’d probably prefer to keep Hedges over Mejia anyway.
Likewise. Mejia’s bat is elite. Any guy who can hit in 50 straight games at any level of pro-baseball deserves a long look. I want the Padres to give him that look.
If the Mets gave back D’Arnaud then he and Mejia could be a very nice platoon duo for 19’ and beyond. With Austin Allen looming in AAA.
d’Arnaud is injured and starting next season on the DL will probably be non-tendered. He is chronically injured. When he is healthy he is not very good. Why would any team want him?
There is a reason O’Dowd is a talking head, not an active GM and hasn’t sniffed a GM job since he was fired. 2 playoff appearances in 15 years and a .464 win percentage, 1129 wins vs 1302 losses, is not a great resume.
Elite? Where? You counting minor stats again?
Mejia bat elite yea he’s Yogi Berra
Oh well now that Johnny Superscout has spoken…
He should write out a big fat check to Eovaldi for this contract. It’s insane to give out 15M to a guy for his first season coming off TJS. But it worked once so I guess that everybody else needs to follow.
Trade for Thor and also sign Eovaldi and your pitching staff in 2020 looks pretty okay and doesn’t cost an arm and a leg.
Agreed
Thor will cost an arm and a leg lol
Hmm, thought Giants were slightly more likely to get him. Unsurprising nonetheless.
Oh misread the headline. Thought he resigned with LAA.
How?
I would call this a questionable move
Say what you want about the player or the team, but that is some excellent work by his agent. Two year deal while recovering from TJ…I’d say they’re happy as clams in the Richards household tonight.
Christmas came early for him.
We can do the fan graphs thing with Richards all day long…just once I’d like to see Dan Diego stay the hell away from a career question mark in Richard, if for no other reason than to do something different.
They screwed the pooch on Jered Weaver, who blew out…they even did it with Tyson Ross and Clayton Richard…they did it with Freidrich…and I could go on and on. Acquire an ace from somewhere else, since you don’t have one in SD…AND CALL IT A DAMN DAY!..TRADE SOME PROSPECTS AND GET IT DONE, SD!….hell, come to think of it, they’ll need two veteran type starters, who aren’t warming seats for young guys.
With Richards having his TJ surgery in mid July of last year, he should be able to see some MLB innings next year and be primed for 2019.
Do you mean 2020?
San Diego, where former angels go to rebuild there stock or retire.
We will miss you here in Anaheim G-Rich!
Dude is built like tissue paper. No way will this guy be missed.
Padres have not announced it yet because they have to clear room on their 40 man roster.
gms have lost their minds. I thought saber was supposed to keep guys from making these mistakes. guys that do come back are more likely than not to be half as good or worse. you would think they could find a smarter way to spend their money
What would SABR have to do with player personnel?
Stupid, stupid risk, thanks for making the Giants look good with this signing! Lol
if healthy, he would commend $25 mil up. if he comes back in 2020 and pitch like he is able to this is actually underpay.
If….???? They could’ve put that money into someone who they now can pitch this year and next. Bad signing
they are not going to contend this year. what’s wrong with buying an ace for 2020?
Nothing. You have vizion beyond the end of your nose.
Is he an ace for 2020? Sorry, I was under the impression he hasn’t been able to be an ace for a team for a season in quite some time….. and is now coming off of his second TJ surgery. We didn’t buy an ace for 2020. We paid 2 years for the hope that someone regains form in year two, and can stay healthy enough to pitch a season…. which he frequently hasn’t been able to do. Buying an ace: scherzer, kershaw, kluber, verlander, etc….. NOT buying an ace: 2 years payment to Richard with fingers crossed that he performs in the second year. Big difference. If you can’t see that…. the vision beyond your nose is severely obstructed
how childish of you two!