DECEMBER 7: The signing is now official. Richards will earn $7MM in the first year of the deal and $8.5MM in the second, Jon Heyman of Fancred tweets. The contract includes $250K bonuses for every start he makes from his 21st through his 30th.
NOVEMBER 29, 7:14pm: Heyman tweets that Richards will be guaranteed $15.5MM and can earn another $2.5MM worth of incentives on the deal.
3:59pm: It’s a straight two-year deal for Richards, Passan further tweets. With incentives, the contract can max out at a total of $18MM.
3:49pm: Richards’ two-year agreement comes with a hefty guarantee of roughly $15MM, per Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports (Twitter link). That’s a new precedent for a player coming off Tommy John surgery, though the timing of Richards’ surgery also makes it at least plausible that he could return to the mound before the end of the 2019 season.
3:45pm: The Padres have reached an agreement with free-agent right-hander Garrett Richards, tweets Fancred’s Jon Heyman. The ISE Baseball client was reported earlier today to be a target of both the Padres and the division-rival Dodgers.
Richards may not pitch in 2019 after undergoing Tommy John surgery in mid July, but other free-agent starters in his situation have recently landed two-year guaranteed deals with an eye toward contributing in the second season of that pact. Namely, both Michael Pineda and Drew Smyly signed two-year, $10MM contracts last winter (with the Twins and Cubs, respectively), while Nathan Eovaldi inked a two-year, $4MM pact with the Rays an offseason prior. All three of those hurlers had undergone Tommy John surgery and were known to be out for the vast majority of the first season of those two-year deals.
A former top 50 overall draft pick (No. 42 in 2009), Richards established himself on the Angels’ pitching staff in 2013 and looked to be one of the more promising young arms in the American League by the end of the 2015 campaign. In 2014-15, the righty pitched to a combined 3.18 ERA through 376 innings (58 starts) and averaged 8.1 K/9 against 3.0 BB/9 along the way.
Injuries, however, have limited the now-30-year-old Richards to just 138 2/3 innings in the three seasons since that time. He’s been quite good when healthy enough to take the mound — 3.05 ERA, 9.6 K/9, 3.6 BB/9, 3.59 FIP — but by the lengthy slate of arm injuries that has slowed his career now make him an upside play in free agency rather than the potential frontline starter many expected he’d become after that strong 2013-15 showing.
The most recent ulnar collateral ligament injury for Richards was actually the second of his career; he also suffered a UCL tear back in 2016 but opted to undergo stem cell treatment to avoid surgery. While that did stave off Tommy John surgery for awhile, Richards was ultimately forced to undergo the procedure this past summer when he was diagnosed with another tear.
For the Padres, the addition of Richards dovetails nicely with the organization’s projected timeline to contend. The Friars have begun to mix in some win-now moves with their longstanding efforts to rebuild the organization and were said this offseason to be eyeing pitchers who can help them contend in 2020, when much of the upcoming wave of young talent has surfaced at the MLB level. The Friars have little in the way of rotation certainty at the moment, so it’s still possible that they could add another arm on a multi-year deal — likely one who’d still be in his prime into 2020 and beyond. They’ve been tied to younger free-agent starters like Nathan Eovaldi and Yusei Kikuchi this offseason, and they’ve also been rumored to have interest in Mets righty Noah Syndergaard.
Soldierofgod619
Cool lets try to sign Trevor Cahill next.Looking forward to that 2020 season.
lowtalker1
Again?
Soldierofgod619
Whats wrong with him? Started 20 games 110IP/90 hits ERA 3.76,FIP 3.54. He doesnt need a longterm or expensive contract. If a team like Oakland who won 97 games is interested a team like the padres with one of the worst starter ERA in the National League last season should also be interested. Plus he pitched well in San Diego so they know what they are getting.
lowtalker1
He isn’t that good. Padres need to start getting quality not innings eaters
RedRooster
Hey, we all know trading a guy means he will never sign with you again even if you offer the most money.
Soldierofgod619
When 7/10 of your top prospects are pitchers having some nice stopgaps should be what the padres be looking at. Clayton Richard was our opening day starter if that doesnt scream pitching help im not sure what would.
kjdoggerman
He’s hurt. Always. Great pitcher though.
YourDaddy
What percentage sign back later? 2%? 1%?
RedRooster
Not sure but what percentage of those guys who didn’t sign back had their original team offer them the most money in free agency? Probably not even 1%.
justin-turner overdrive
Cahill is back end or decent reliever, but he’s never healthy. I think the Padres would rather take safer bets like Richards than guys like Cahill.
Cahill belongs on a team further back in a rebuild than SD. SD can’t take risks of his caliber so close to contention. They’re going to shoot for highest reward in future trade value guys, like Richards, who has landed in the best possible place to parlay into one more biggish payday. Great sign all round.
joepanikatthedisco
Richards is anything but a safe bet
stymeedone
Just ask Chapman.
mark68
Richards is the very definition of a “quality NOT innings eater”. He probably won’t be eating any innings in 2019.
SDHotDawg
Richards? Seriously? We need actual pitchers, not guys who can’t do it anymore.
Good grief, start thinking like like a winner. At least pretend you want to win.
SDHotDawg
You were talking about Clayton Richard, righ?
jbigz12
There is nothing safe about a guy who threw 130 innings in the last 3 years and is now coming off another TJ. There’s nothing safe about the 15 million dollars they just spent. He obviously has tremendously higher upside than Cahill but in no way is he safer.
Samuel
$15mm?
There AJ goes again.
danlcat
Dont kno bout GREAT. If Pads wait,dont rush…let him heal…expect nada next year,he will be just fine.
larry48
why would any free agent sign with padres, they will finish last in NL west
politicsNbaseball
Because some players like being employed
SDHotDawg
Uh … Moustakis. Last year.
Senioreditor
So he signed for 2 seasons but he’ll pitch for one and can earn up to 18 million. The Dodgers signed Ryu for 1 season at 17.9. Which is a better deal?
JimmyBaseballFan1
Richards is a “safe bet” you say? The man is literally coming to the Padres on the DL with no guarantee he won’t get hurt again or even be the same pitcher he was if he is healthy.
You’re talking out of your ass, bro.
Wags71
Richards is not considered an innings eater in any universe that I’m aware of..
SDHotDawg
Yeah, the “rockstar” strikes again. Signs a pitcher that won’t even take the mound until 2020.
We won’t be competitive in 2019. In fact, we’re still several years away.
The perpetual rebuild …
Samuel
There’s nothing wrong with taking a flyer on Richards – particularly because in this vaulted rebuild of a team playing its games in a cavernous pitchers park…..their prospect list has few quality pitchers…..and even less quality defenders, especially in the OF.
So AJ overpays – again – this time for a pitcher coming off TJ surgery. Keep in mind that San Diego is a small market team with a small market budget.
It’s almost as if AJ is building a team to play in Citizens Bank Park, while Matt Klentak is building a team to play in Petco.
Then again, the commonality of the two gentlemen is that they don’t care much about defense, nor their players and manager exhibiting anything resembling a baseball IQ during games.
beersy
Are you saying the Padres, who have 7 pitchers in MLB.com’s top 92 prospects, “have few quality pitching prospects”? Because if you are, you are incorrect. And BA, Law and Fangraphs are also high on many of the Padres pitching prospects, so it isn’t like MLB is playing favourites.
Samuel
Do us both a favor……..
Look up the top 100 prospects list for each of the past 5 years.
See how many names were on it for multiple years. Then come back and tell us how many of the names you recognize.
What I don’t get is this…….
If the Padres have so many solid pitching prospects, and know they will not compete in 2019, why are they talking to the Mets, Indians, and others about trading for a front line pitcher that will be a free agent in 2-3 years?
Wouldn’t it make more sense to keep all their prospects and overpay to bring a Gio Gonzalez, Clay Buchholz, Tommy Milone, Josh Tomlin or even a Bartolo Colon to come in for what will still be cheap dollars to lend a veteran presence in 2019?
P.S. If BA, Law, and Fangraphs knew what they we doing, they’d be working for an ML organization and making far more money. Check out their records the past 5 years.
SDHotDawg
There’s a reason that Baseball Prospectus’ mantra is “There’s no such thing as a pitching prospect.”
In fact, if anybody thinks they can start printing World Series tickets because they have “prospects,” they know nothing about Major League Baseball. Nothing.
RedRooster
Same goes for other teams’ prospects
SDHotDawg
Never said it didn’t.
davidcoonce74
Huh? Keith Law worked for a ML team for years, and dozens of Fangraphs and BA writers have gone on to work for MLB teams. The Houston front office has like five former fangraphs authors in it. Try again.
beersy
You said the “Padres list has few quality pitchers”, which if you meant their prospect list, is inaccurate. If you do not believe in prospects, then don’t mention them in a post.
tv 2
16 million lol
larry48
more like 7 years before padres competitive.
sdfriarfan
So he’ll be ready to pitch in 2020? Ok, I’m good with that. Good job AJP.
SDHotDawg
That makes it a one year deal.
larry48
for 15 million for maybe 1 year, most TJ surgery aren’t good until 3rd year.
nmendoza7
Smart move.
Padres2019ha
Padres2020ha!!!!
Bringbacktheblue
Surprised he picked us over the big bright lights of LA
lowtalker1
Probably offered less money and anyone knows that the padres could be a serious threat to take the west in 2020 but it really depends on what they do this off season and the next
Bringbacktheblue
I’d like to see the difference. Or maybe the Doyers tried to bring the price up.
marijuasher
Yes. Blame the Dodgers for a potential Padre overpay.
Why not? It worked when LA picked up all those awful Bosox contracts. The LA boogeyman…. Striking again!
Bringbacktheblue
It was an honest question you loser troll
gotothevideotape
lol
Yelsnit
lol!
padreforlife
Take the West. Get to .500 and then worry about “taking the west”
SDHotDawg
We aren’t even taking out the garbage in 2020 without seeing some significant improvement in 2019.
Seriously.
RedRooster
Money. That’s why.
jekporkins
I have no horse in this race but I think he made a smart move.
Think about this…. you get paid to sit on your butt and recover for a year. Would you rather do it in San Diego or Los Angeles? Then he plays his free agent year in a pitcher’s park. Great way to bring up his value. He can always move up the Pacific Coast Highway to LA in two years. He’ll still be in his mid-30s.
Slipknot37
Got one right. Anyways, nice signing. Hope he stays healthy for 2020 and comes back strong
jbigz12
Is it? This season is most likely a wash and
It’s a 15 million dollar deal for one season of production for a guy coming off TJ. The AAV is lower and spreads the cost out but for a team not pushing up on the tax line that really only has so many advantages.
Slipknot37
Even if the Padres dont contend or have a winning season in 2019, they should be contending in 2020. And that is the time richards should be ready. I like this signing.of course the money may be a little high. Maybe they had to bid out the dodgers
justin-turner overdrive
and if for whatever reason (injuries etc) they aren’t ready in 2020, Richards becomes primo trade deadline bait to grab even more prospects – although SD has so many prospects, they really are in a better place to try and trade for someone big, just because they can. Realmuto maybe? Kluber? Both?
jbigz12
The absolute last thing a team like the padres should do is trade for someone big. Why would you give up that kind of prospect capital for 2 years of realmuto when you for sure won’t be good for one year and aren’t likely going to be a WS contender in the 2nd? If the Padres are making a big deal it needs to be for a guy who they can control for the next half decade. Not 2 seasons. That’d just be throwing this rebuild back another two steps.
RedRooster
Why would the Padres trade for JTR who can be a free agent in two years when they already have two quality catchers on the roster?
justin-turner overdrive
Oh I’m sorry, I just read a bunch of “were contending in 2020” comments up and down this thread, and so I just showed that they could add two of the most valuable players in the game without it even putting a dent in their farm, which would absolutely help them contend in 2020, but you had to be cold oatmeal, didn’t you?
RedRooster
I’m not as optimistic about their odds of contending in 2020 as others but either way they’re better off rolling with Hedges and/or Mejia and letting someone else gut the farm for JTR. Plus I doubt whether Michael Hill is too keen on dealing with Preller again.
Slipknot37
In my opinion, i think they should wait till they are contending midseason before actually trading away prospects. We saw what happened last time They tried contending and traded away a ton of prospects. They might do it anyways though this offseason
padreforlife
2021 at earliest
stymeedone
Yes, rentals bring back such large hauls lately.
mooshimanx
That doesn’t actually work because you can’t control who is available at the precise moment you get good and waiting around after your younger players get good means you’re just burning their controllable years because you waited around too long to surround them with other talented players.
SDHotDawg
So now you’re not optimistic about contending in 2020? Since when? Seems we’ve debated that point before, and you were adamant that we would contend in 2020, despite all common sense and reality.
At any rate, welcome to the club. 2019 will be a huge indicative factor for 2020.
RedRooster
Prsr I’ve always said 2021 was the best case scenario.
SDHotDawg
No, it wasn’t.
But, at least a lot of our fans are consistent. Every year our more optimistically depressing fans chant the “We’ll be contenders in 20xx” without even being smart enough to realize they’ve been saying exactly the same thing for years. All they do is add another number to the year, and then deny it. Pathetic.
And it pre-dates Preller’s arrival.
You can be a realistic fan without having to lie to yourself.
RedRooster
According to you I was “adamant that we would contend in 2020.” Pretty sure I’ve always said 2021. I could end up being wrong about that but that is when I expect the Padres to be a realistic contender.
YourDaddy
It’s an $18 million deal for one season with incentives.
mooshimanx
Alex Cobb makes $14,000,000 a year.
Starting pitching on the free agent market is inherently ridiculously priced.
Slipknot37
It is. But baltimore bet against themselves signing Cobb.
HalosHeavenJJ
Good for Richards, but wow. I expected a much lower AAV with a ton of incentives.
TheIncident
If Smyly can get 2y/$10, then Richards at 2y/$15 seems reasonable to me.
jbigz12
Garrett Richards has thrown 130 innings since 2015 and now he’s coming off a TJ. This was a risky signing. Definitely way more than I thought
TheIncident
And Smyly got $10mil after pitching zero innings in 2017 with not nearly the track record of Richard. Will it work out? Who knows but there’s not too much risk here for $7.5 mil a year.
jbigz12
Smyly threw more innings in 2016 than Richards has in the last 3. Richards is definitely much better when he’s healthy but when has that been? I’m not saying there’s no upside but there’s plenty of downside as well. 15 million isn’t a crushing sum to a ML team but you paid a non insignificant price for a pitcher who hasn’t thrown 130 innings the last 3 years combined prior to this TJ. On top of that the deal is also incentive laden which further hampers some of the upside. It’s not a terrible deal but it’s certainly more than most people thought..
rocky7
Well how about you writing the check if you think $7.5 million isn’t significant…..think about the ticket prices, hotdogs, beer, team stuff that will undoubtedly have to compensate for that 7.5 mill….cough it up at the ballpark MR. FAN AS ALWAYS!
And by the way, you’ll watch this team lose close to 100 games fo the next year at least so think about that for a minute the next time you want to take in a ballgame with your family and it costs you a small new mortgage to go.
The only guy who’s smiling is Garrett Richards!
jdgoat
Payroll isn’t tied to concessions.
TheIncident
Comments never disappoint. Thanks!
SDHotDawg
You don’t know much about how concessions work, do you? Yes, the team makes some money. So do the venue owners.
Senioreditor
To the Padres 7.5 million is a lot.
walls17
thats not 15 mil a season right? 15 million total i hope
dvmin98
Totally
RedRooster
$15m total. Still waiting to hear what the breakdown of that is.
padreforlife
Omg the breakdown is huge
Daniel 22
Well, considering he wont pitch in 2019, it will be $15m for one season…. let’s see the next move to make room on the 40 man roster
allweatherfan
It might as well be 15 per season since it’s a 2 year deal and he won’t be pitching the first one.
YourDaddy
He won’t pitch in 2019, so it’s for one season.
RedRooster
The question is how much of that are the Padres paying in 2019 and how much in 2020? They are required to pay him at least $500k in 2019 and it’s possible they’ll pay even more that year so that they don’t have as much money on the books in 2020 when Wil Myers’ salary jumps from $5.5m to $22.5m.
SDHotDawg
It doesn’t matter how you break it down. He’s essentially pitching for one season. That season just happens to be 2020. Some dummies would call that a “rental.” (Galvis?)
RedRooster
Richards turns into a valuable trade chip if he returns to form and the Padres aren’t contending at the deadline in 2020.
SDHotDawg
Oh, so now we’re back to saying the greatest value any player on the Padres has is “trade” value. Not talent. Not his ability to actually contribute to winning baseball games. Just who can we get back in trade. Yep. Recipe for building a winner is to put a revolving door on the clubhouse.
RedRooster
Well it certainly isn’t letting players leave in free agency when the team is clearly out of the race by the trade deadline *cough* Galvis *cough*
padreforlife
How would guy who hasn’t pitched full season be trade chip 2020? So hasn’t pitched full season now going to tac another month of postseason baseball on his arm ok
padreforlife
Hasn’t pitched full season since 2015 then 2020 going to be Lee Majors
SDHotDawg
You spent all season telling everybody you thought Galvis was nothing more than a worthless rental. You should take something for that cough.
RedRooster
He was worthless to the 96-loss Padres and will not win them any games beyond 2018 unless they sign him (which they could have done without trading for him)
juicemane
He will be healthy in time to provide SP or bullpen for a late season wild card push.
4 games back, late August….
RedRooster
Ya know, some of us actually learn from our mistakes.
Vizionaire
best of luck, garret! hope you are traded back to the angels when you are healthy.
steelerbravenation
1 right !!!!!
mmarinersfan
I remember when I thought to myself I could predict the free agent destinations.
Good times.
Michael Chaney
I thought it was likely that he’d end up with a rebuilding team that could use him in 2020, I just picked the Tigers instead of the Padres
RedRooster
Here’s hoping Jose Pirela is DFA’d to clear that roster spot.
petersdylan36
Yes!
bleacherbum
Pirela must have naked pictures of Preller’s wife.
I don’t know how he survive the first wave of DFA’s/cuts. Here’s to hoping he doesn’t survive this one.
-Sincerely,
Every single Padre fan on earth
RedRooster
He must be part cucaracha
SDHotDawg
No, he’s one of Preller’s “boys.” Right there with Mitchell and Margot. Green had little to no control over the lineup in 2018, and it showed.
54scooterb
OK that puts me in the 0 – 4 group. Who’s With Me!!
BamaBraves
0-4
bucketbrew35
It would be incredibly smart for the deal to be front loaded. Even if things don’t break right for the Pads in 2020 that would make Richards’ trade value that much higher if he excels.
baseball10
Too much money. Padres getting too aggressive. Next they will trade away some top prospects
SDHotDawg
The reality is that if Preller doesn’t trade some prospects for some legit players, we won’t be competitive in 2019 or 2020.
RedRooster
Lotto numbers please
tannedt
Overpay.
rocky7
Richards is laughing all the way to the bank.
RedRooster
Any word on what the breakdown of that $15m is?
Michael Chaney
The bad news is that I’m only 1/4 but the good news is that Joey Gallo thinks that’s impressive
juicemane
I literally LOLed on this one
realgone2
Seems a tad steep to me
Kylesamac
Padres just take the hint already and tank for a year or two. The franchise is like watching someone struggle in quick sand.
RedRooster
He won’t pitch in 2019 so this IS tanking for a year. If they aren’t in the race at the trade deadline in 2020 and this guy is pitching as well as he has thus far when healthy they should be able to flip him for another prospect.
rocky7
Maybe….with that injury history aside from TJ for the last 3 years…..maybe unless he’s pitching lights out which is a gamble.
The Rock Star GM at work!!!
RedRooster
All of his injuries the past 3 years have been tied to the UCL damage, have they not? Obviously there is risk involved with Tommy John but if he makes it back and still has the same stuff he wouldn’t really be an injury risk anymore.
SDHotDawg
No, they haven’t. His injuries started with a torn patella tendon in his knee in late 2014 which kept him out until May of ’15. Yes, in ’16 he had an elbow ligament problem, but he opted to go with some “new” treatment instead of TJ.
RedRooster
“the past 3 years”
SDHotDawg
Yes, you said “3 years.” His injury history goes back further.
We’ve been “tanking” since 2015 … Stuck in a perpetual rebuild even longer.
RedRooster
The knee issue hasn’t bothered him since early 2015. No reason to suspect that it will be a problem in 2020.
ffjsisk
15 mil and he’s not pitching this year? Coming off TJ #2? Jeez, sounds rich.
rocky7
It is rich because just because you have TJ surgery, there’s no golden ticket that you come back better or even as good as you were.
Spend money on players that can play for you now, and stop worrying about 2020….geez it must be rough to be a Padres fan!
SDHotDawg
This was his first TJ surgery.
ffjsisk
Right, I forgot he rehabbed the first UCL injury and opted for TJ this year. But he also had a significant knee injury somewhere in there. Either way, it’s a big guarantee for a guy that’s not pitching this year and has missed a lot of time the last 3 years.
saavedra
Massive overpay IMO.15-18 m for a pitcher in a year’s time that has been full of injuries.
Ryan W
Assume 15 then. If he hits the incentives to get 18, I don’t think it would be overpay.
saavedra
Even then, 18 M for 1 year (and a year later than the signing) seems like too much.
Ryan W
Welcome
Ryan W
I just hope it’s not another Josh Johnson scenario
JayRyder
Bad Contract. A Total Gamble. . . For What. ? . . . The Agents Are Loving This. I would never sign a guy two years away after Tommy John… Waste of Money. Time. Why Not Spend Big This year on a guy who can help you this year… Or they’re already cashing in there chips to a bad season… Preparing for a breakout year for the ballclub according to timelines, is nearsighted…. Because I believe even if not making the playoffs. . . The organization as a whole can garner a winning attitude. ! Momentum. And team spirit while guys will want to Stay It Thru To The End. !!!
RedRooster
Don’t Comment Like This . . . Please. !!!
justin-turner overdrive
are you having an aneurysm?
csspackler
Worked out for Eovaldi.
SDHotDawg
Not so much for the Rays, though. They paid him to rehab all of ’17, and he only pitched 10 games for them in ’18.
For every cherry you pick off the tree, there are dozens more rotting on the ground beneath your feet.
Kwflanne
Not a fan. That contract is way too big, especially in guaranteed money, for a pitcher who likely won’t pitch in 2019, and you HOPE can return to form after his second TJ surgery and HOPE he can stay healthy for a year (which he has never really been able to do). So ultimately, they just paid about 15-18 million for one season of “we hope he comes back….”
Josh Johnson signing 2.0….. only way bigger contract. Bad bad bad
justin-turner overdrive
“Josh Johnson signing 2.0….. only way bigger contract. Bad bad bad”
lol, imagining being triggered for life based on one signing didn’t work out?
Taking risks is the only way to win. If SD thinks 2020 is when their window opens, then getting potentially an ace-quality guy for $18M is peanuts. SD actually have the most to spend this offseason (as was brought up in the chats this week), it was said (paraphrasing) SD, White Sox and Oakland have the most “fun” money out of all the teams. This is fun.
Bluemarlin528
You beat me to the punch! See below – LOL
Kwflanne
I’m sorry… “based on ONE signing didn’t work out”?? Are you under the impression that has been the only signing not to work out? Maybe I should’ve said Jared Weaver. And if SD has the most to spend this offseason, and they use a big chunk of it on a player who won’t be playing this year, and they hope comes back in 2020… that’s just piss poor management. That’s “spending just to spend”, to say to the fanbase “see? We are spending. We are trying”. Spending just to spend looks like a great strategy (cough…. eric hosmer…. cough). It’s another example, after many many examples, of how AJ Preller is a master of building up a farm system…. and a complete dud when it comes to constructing a MAJOR LEAGUE roster
SDHotDawg
Overpaying for “hope” and for “maybe” fits the Padres mindset. It’s just like falling in love with prospects and pinning all of your hopes on “potential.”
It’s hard enough being a Padres fan without having to deal with such an unrealistic fan base.
rocky7
Exactly, and the 1 year you may get will be his walk year and he’ll most likely be auditioning for a new team or will get flipped by the Padres if they aren’t in contention.
Wish my company would pay for that kind of performance!
Another Rock Star GM move! Let’s add more contract incentives….please!
sdfriarfan
The Padres aren’t competing next year. Garrett won’t be ready next year. 15m is too much but nobody can say this is a bust deal when not even 1 pitch has been made. We have a potential jewel in our pocket. If it’s a bust, then it is. Garrett will have 2 years with Balsley. What is that worth?
Kwflanne
Agree, it could be a gem in 2020…. but that’s a huge if for a huge contract
SDHotDawg
You should probably take a good hard look at our team pitching stats over the last few years before you proclaim Balsley the god of all pitching coaches. It hasn’t been good, and nobody’s trying to hire him away.
RedRooster
Brad Hand, Tyson Ross, Heath Bell and Huston Street would like to have a word with you outside…
Kwflanne
In his defense, he did say the “last few years”…. I don’t think Houston street or Heath bell fall into that category. Maybe you forgot Travis wood, Jared weaver, Luis perdomo, etc.
Ryan W
How about last year? Craig Stammen, Brad Hand, Stock, Yates? More success stories than not. Nobody hears of the pitchers the Padres have til after Balsley
SDHotDawg
You spent all season telling everybody you thought Galvis was nothing more than a worthless rental. You should take something for that cough.
SDHotDawg
WCR … reality would like to have a chat with you.
Maybe I should list the literally dozens of pitching failures? You can’t just cherry-pick a couple of names and say you’ve proven your point.
My point is simply that Balsley is good, but he doesn’t have a magic wand.
RedRooster
Why did you post the same comment twice?
RedRooster
@Kwflanne There’s been way more successes than failures. Balsley is the man.
RedRooster
I could have named way more than 4 pitchers. I was trying to keep my response short so that people would read it but I guess I should have kept going…
In the end, you don’t get to be the longest tenured pitching coach in MLB (I believe the longest tenured coach of any kind) without doing something right.
As far as who WCR is, you’re gonna have to explain that one to us.
SDHotDawg
You were outed on MLB.com and Reddit a few months back. You even admitted to it, so you probably don’t want to go there. But, honestly, it’s not important to me how many different screen names you have. You still use WestCoastRyan on at least one. It’s a reflection on you and you alone.
As for the double-post thing, I (admittedly) have issues with the mobile ap.
RedRooster
Lol nice try. No one has ever outed me for anything. I already proved that I’m not west coast ryan. You said that I “admitted” to it on another thread two months ago, I asked you to provide a link to where I supposedly did this and you crawled back into your little hole (similar to what Pads Fans does when he is proven wrong). You are probably going to do the same thing again now.
I only have one account. This one. It is enough.
RedRooster
See? You just crawled back into your little hole again! If you had any actual case you wouldn’t have to do that.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Why would he go to a losing team. He won’t even be part of the team when they are good in 5 years.
RedRooster
Money.
TooToughToScuffle
Must really be hard to be a Padres fan. More power to them.
Last Winning Season: 2010
Last Playoff Appearance: 2006
Last Pennant: 1998
Last World Series Victory: Never
Franchise W/L % .461
Percent of Park filled in 2018, on Average: 64.5%
bleacherbum
It is very tough.
All I want as a Padre fan is to experience the rush of attending a playoff game at home. What I would pay to be able to do that in my adult life. Lol I’m 31 now and the last time the Padres made the playoff I played hookie my Junior year of high school back in 2006 to watch the team get pounded by STL.
jbigz12
You were 19 in your junior year of HS?
bleacherbum
Apologies, I turn 31 on Monday. I graduated in 2006 so it was my senior year. I was 17. No need to have to explain but since you want to call people out for minor details, then there you go.
619bird
I was at the last 2 padres playoff games. They were wonderful!
They don’t think they can truly compete until 2020.
SDHotDawg
We will NOT compete in 2020 unless some drastic improvement is seen in 2019.
RedRooster
Didn’t know you played for the Padres bro
WarrenSpahn
something doesn’t add up here but nice story…
bleacherbum
Shush Warren, go fact check someone else. You tool.
truthlemonade
If you were born in December, 1987, then you were 18 (almost 19) in October 2006. Did you mean you watched the Padres lose to St. Louis in 2005? Because, the Cardinals bounced the Padres in both 2005 and 2006.
TooToughToScuffle
I am your age but I am a Red Sox fan, and, I have to say, I have been very blessed by my team’s performance on the field since I first watched them as a child.
I don’t see why the Padres ~60m payroll can’t be increased by the addition of Corbin, Machado, Harper and the like. Then you get at least 10 more wins. I’m with Scott Boras on what it takes to build contenders.
padresfan619 2
agreed actually it’s hard supporting any team that is/was from San Diego. beautiful place to live but I guess not a good place to be a professional sports team. I’m still waiting for that winning feeling.
justin-turner overdrive
And on the flip side, how do Padres, Mariners & Marlins fans even know how to build a contender in 2018 in the first place? They haven’t seen one in literal decades.
dvmin98
Nope…we get to live in San Diego and you get to live in whatever crappy town you do. We win every time
WarrenSpahn
you do have a point there. San Diego is a special place
padreforlife
Padre fans think every prospect going to be great, not the most informed bunch.
padreforlife
Most of fans rooting for opposing team
Bluemarlin528
This move makes sense for the Padres, as they love washed up pitchers – For instance Josh Johnson signed him for 8 million in 2014 & 1 million in 2015 and never through a pitch for the Padres. They should have about the same results with Richards…..
justin-turner overdrive
Almost every team has done this, like damn, who roasted you guys over josh johnson so bad that he’s the bar for all your “I hate this signing” takes?
bleacherbum
Let’s look at the potential Syndergaard fit with Richards now on board.
Assuming Syndergaard costs Lucchesi, Margot, Austin Allen and Robert stock.
That would leave potential rotation candidates as:
1. Syndergaard
2. Richards (when healthy)
3. Lamet (when healthy)
4. Lauer/Paddack/Strahm
5. Richard
I can see them still bringing in a guy like Gio or Marco Estrada to get another veteran depth piece to fill in until Richards is healthy to eat innings/ help protect the young arms. I think each of those two can be had to a very similar figure as Garrett Richards.
RedRooster
BVW blocks Preller’s number if that is the package he offers
MiserablePadreFan
Um that’s an overpay for Thor. The Mets would be morons if they turned that down.
RedRooster
Looks like we found one of Preller’s accounts that he uses on this site
alc47
Lmao that’s a good one but I think he was being sarcastic at least I hope lol
jbigz12
Syndergaard is one of the top 10 pitchers in baseball and the best you’re going to offer up is a mid-
back end starter. A glove first outfielder and 2 other decent prospects? Tell me how that works. Trades for top players have to hurt a little bit.
petersdylan36
I like Syndergaard, but please don’t say he is top 10 in baseball. That’s a joke.
alc47
Name 9 better pitchers lol
RedRooster
Jacob deGrom, Max Scherzer, Justin Verlander, Chris Sale, Patrick Corbin, Gerrit Cole, Trevor Bauer, Luis Severino, Aaron Nola and Corey Kluber.
alc47
I agree with only 5 Degrom, max, Verlander, sale and Nola. My first question would be why do you think Corbin is better ?
RedRooster
The fact that 6.3 WAR > 4.2 WAR
jbigz12
It’s going to be preference on Corbin or Bauer or syndergaard. Bauer and Corbin have been mostly durable but they haven’t been a high end starter for more than one year. But that’s not the important part. He’s a top 10 talent for sure. Lists are also fluid. He’s right there.
alc47
Noah made 8 less starts and has had a superior career to this point, so you rather have Corbin over Noah ? Just based off of who you think would be more productive.
RedRooster
The fact that Thor made 8 fewer starts due to injuries is actually a perfect example of why Corbin is a better pitcher. If you want to say that 1 year isn’t a large enough sample size, I can simply expand the list to top pitchers by fWAR over the last 3 seasons (all of Thor’s full MLB seasons) to find that he is still only ranked twelfth.
fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&…
jbigz12
And Corbin was 21st. None of us put Carrasco in the top 10 and kershaw has seemed to fall off everyone’s top 10 list. It’s all subjective and there’s other measures than WAR to measure a pitcher. The data tells you he’s a top talent even with injuries.
RedRooster
Corbin broke out in a huge way this year. I don’t follow the Diamondbacks so idk if there is anything to suggest that his 2018 performance (or something close to it) is sustainable. Guess all there is to do is wait and see.
Why don’t you have Carrasco in the top 10?
If you are going to penalize Kershaw for the injuries, you have to penalize Thor.
alc47
Everyone on that list has a lot more starts than Noah but yet barely lead in war.
RedRooster
Again, the fact that Thor has fewer starts due to injuries is a perfect example of why the other guys are better. fWAR is by no means a perfect indicator of how important the trade-off is between rate stats and innings pitched but it’s what we have to work with.
jbigz12
Why don’t you have Carrasco in your top 10? Kershaw? If you want to change your mind you have to bump one of Bauer or Corbin to do so. Carrasco probably should be a top 10 starter and probably gets overlooked because of Kluber and Bauer’s presence. The data says he is but I wouldn’t put him there. Syndergaard is a top 10 talent. There’s no definite list here. I’d probably have kershaw in my top 10 over Corbin at this point but again that’s a fluid situation.
RedRooster
My first comment where I named 10 guys was the top 10 pitchers according to fWAR for 2018. You and alc47 took issue with my inclusion of Corbin based on only one season of ace-caliber performance so I then expanded it to 2016-2018.
alc47
I don’t think that makes the other guys better, just more reliable. If the question was is he top 10 when healthy easily that’s a yes you could even make a case to put him around the top 5. He missed last year because of a freak injury I think everyone put too much stock into last year.
RedRooster
No, you don’t get to move the goalposts. alc47 said “Name 9 better pitchers” and durability absolutely makes you a better pitcher. As someone else said earlier, “The best ability is availability.”
jbigz12
Yeah I mean I didn’t really come here to argue over the 10-12 slots in SP rankings. He’s right there. That wasn’t my original point this got a little off track here.
alc47
Agreed, I’m just happy to have Noah on my side hopefully where he stays so he can prove to everyone he’s undoubtably top 10.
SDHotDawg
WAR?
LMAO.
RedRooster
I mean I kinda already admitted that it’s not the perfect indicator on how important the trade off between rate stats and innings pitched is but no one has come out with anything better as if yet.
YourDaddy
There is no better measure of player value for starting pitchers. For position players its next to useless because of all the shifts that take the players out of the zones used in defensive component of WAR.
SDHotDawg
rooster: props for starting to see the failure of WAR as a stat.
Anything better? No, because it’s a failed attempt at quantifying things that can’t be compared and quantified as integrals to each other. It’s a derivative that tries to compare apples/oranges and estimates. The only thing better is to actually look at the numbers individually; peripherals and counting stats.
Even the so-called “father of Sabermetrics,” Bill James scoffs at WAR. That should tell you something.
RedRooster
Err… what? I always said that WAR is far from a perfect stat. But if we want to compare Thor to other starters, we need to find a way to determine how important the trade-off is between rate stats and durability. I see no other stat that even attempts to quantify that.
alc47
Why would the Mets ever make that trade ? Lol
bleacherbum
Dan O’Dowd suggested this proposal on MLB now yesterday:
Padres receive:
SP- Noah Syndergaard, C Travis D’Arnaud.
Mets receive: SP Joey Lucchesi, C Austin Hedges, SP Chris Paddack.
Either way, it won’t cost Gore, Tatis, Urias, etc. The above proposal with any mixture of Margot, Nix, Quantrill, L. Allen, A.Allen should be able to get something done.
After the Mets/Mariners finish that deal, Cano/Diaz- they can then focus on Syndergaard to SD at the winter meetings.
Either way I do believe Syndergaard will be the Padres opening day starter in ‘19.
jbigz12
Paddack is significantly better than anyone In your initial proposal and has TOR upside. Though even that seems stupid from the Mets perspective at this point. I wouldn’t have a problem w paddack headlining a deal for Thor but I would require much stronger secondary pieces.
RedRooster
Switch out Mejia for Hedges then. I’d probably prefer to keep Hedges over Mejia anyway.
bleacherbum
Likewise. Mejia’s bat is elite. Any guy who can hit in 50 straight games at any level of pro-baseball deserves a long look. I want the Padres to give him that look.
If the Mets gave back D’Arnaud then he and Mejia could be a very nice platoon duo for 19’ and beyond. With Austin Allen looming in AAA.
YourDaddy
d’Arnaud is injured and starting next season on the DL will probably be non-tendered. He is chronically injured. When he is healthy he is not very good. Why would any team want him?
YourDaddy
There is a reason O’Dowd is a talking head, not an active GM and hasn’t sniffed a GM job since he was fired. 2 playoff appearances in 15 years and a .464 win percentage, 1129 wins vs 1302 losses, is not a great resume.
padreforlife
Elite? Where? You counting minor stats again?
padreforlife
Mejia bat elite yea he’s Yogi Berra
RedRooster
Oh well now that Johnny Superscout has spoken…
rmullig2
He should write out a big fat check to Eovaldi for this contract. It’s insane to give out 15M to a guy for his first season coming off TJS. But it worked once so I guess that everybody else needs to follow.
mooshimanx
Trade for Thor and also sign Eovaldi and your pitching staff in 2020 looks pretty okay and doesn’t cost an arm and a leg.
bleacherbum
Agreed
Brixton
Thor will cost an arm and a leg lol
DarkSide830
Hmm, thought Giants were slightly more likely to get him. Unsurprising nonetheless.
DarkSide830
Oh misread the headline. Thought he resigned with LAA.
IssaKnife
How?
bravesfan
I would call this a questionable move
swanhenge
Say what you want about the player or the team, but that is some excellent work by his agent. Two year deal while recovering from TJ…I’d say they’re happy as clams in the Richards household tonight.
YourDaddy
Christmas came early for him.
blackleather
We can do the fan graphs thing with Richards all day long…just once I’d like to see Dan Diego stay the hell away from a career question mark in Richard, if for no other reason than to do something different.
They screwed the pooch on Jered Weaver, who blew out…they even did it with Tyson Ross and Clayton Richard…they did it with Freidrich…and I could go on and on. Acquire an ace from somewhere else, since you don’t have one in SD…AND CALL IT A DAMN DAY!..TRADE SOME PROSPECTS AND GET IT DONE, SD!….hell, come to think of it, they’ll need two veteran type starters, who aren’t warming seats for young guys.
beersy
With Richards having his TJ surgery in mid July of last year, he should be able to see some MLB innings next year and be primed for 2019.
YourDaddy
Do you mean 2020?
Kingmojo101
San Diego, where former angels go to rebuild there stock or retire.
Mike's Trout
We will miss you here in Anaheim G-Rich!
HaloShane
Dude is built like tissue paper. No way will this guy be missed.
YourDaddy
Padres have not announced it yet because they have to clear room on their 40 man roster.
tv 2
gms have lost their minds. I thought saber was supposed to keep guys from making these mistakes. guys that do come back are more likely than not to be half as good or worse. you would think they could find a smarter way to spend their money
csspackler
What would SABR have to do with player personnel?
Balk
Stupid, stupid risk, thanks for making the Giants look good with this signing! Lol
Vizionaire
if healthy, he would commend $25 mil up. if he comes back in 2020 and pitch like he is able to this is actually underpay.
Balk
If….???? They could’ve put that money into someone who they now can pitch this year and next. Bad signing
Vizionaire
they are not going to contend this year. what’s wrong with buying an ace for 2020?
csspackler
Nothing. You have vizion beyond the end of your nose.
Kwflanne
Is he an ace for 2020? Sorry, I was under the impression he hasn’t been able to be an ace for a team for a season in quite some time….. and is now coming off of his second TJ surgery. We didn’t buy an ace for 2020. We paid 2 years for the hope that someone regains form in year two, and can stay healthy enough to pitch a season…. which he frequently hasn’t been able to do. Buying an ace: scherzer, kershaw, kluber, verlander, etc….. NOT buying an ace: 2 years payment to Richard with fingers crossed that he performs in the second year. Big difference. If you can’t see that…. the vision beyond your nose is severely obstructed
Vizionaire
how childish of you two!