It’s unclear whether the Diamondbacks will trade their franchise player, first baseman Paul Goldschmidt, though Buster Olney of ESPN (subscription required) hears from rival evaluators that they are “intent” on dealing the 31-year-old. While Goldschmidt has consistently been one of the majors’ best players during his career, it’s unlikely the Diamondbacks would receive a significant haul in exchange for his final year of team control, observes Olney, who notes that most contenders aren’t seeking a first baseman. But St. Louis and Houston continue to show a good amount of interest in Goldschmidt, per Olney, which jibes with a previous report from Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic. Olney adds that rival clubs believe the Astros have seemingly tried to move young right-hander J.B. Bukauskas, their eighth-ranked prospect at MLB.com, in trade talks. Similarly, the Yankees were “pushing” left-handed pitching prospect Justus Sheffield in Goldschmidt discussions, Olney reports. Sheffield’s no longer in the picture for New York, though, as it traded him to Seattle this week in a deal for lefty James Paxton.
- Back to Houston, which has been shopping near the top of the market for free-agent outfielders, according to Olney, who lists A.J. Pollock, Andrew McCutchen and Michael Brantley among their targets. Unless the Astros deem soon-to-be 22-year-old prospect Kyle Tucker ready for a full-time role, they have an opening in the outfield, where George Springer and Josh Reddick are their only obvious starters. Signing Pollock, a center fielder, would enable them to move Springer back to a corner after he spent the majority of 2017-18 in center. Pollock’s likely to rake in the biggest payday of the trio, though; further, given that Pollock comes with a qualifying offer attached, adding him would also cost the Astros their second-highest draft pick in 2019 and $500K in international pool space.
- The Mariners have been the most active team on the trade market this offseason, having already dealt Paxton and catcher Mike Zunino. With aggressive general manager Jerry Dipoto at the helm and the M’s desire to take a step back in 2019, more trades involving their veterans are likely on the way. However, it continues to look as though the Mariners will keep their two top players, outfielder Mitch Haniger and closer Edwin Diaz. It would take overwhelming offers for the Mariners to seriously consider moving either Haniger or Diaz, Olney tweets. Both stars are controllable for the next four years, including another pre-arbitration season apiece.
Just keep Castellanos out of the picture and I’m happy!
You still selling fur hats?
Haha no..but I know a guy who knows a guy
That’s not gonna be good for business.
This not gonna be good for anybody.
Kenny??!! Kenny?? Kenny…
Awesome string, folks. Nice job.
He’s got that rubber ball paddle money
That’s a shame
The more I read about Paxton, the more I realize the Yankees really did swing themselves a very good deal. I mean time will tell if it works out, but I’ve read so much on Paxton these last few days and it’s true, because he was in Seattle, the guy was a very, very under the radar pitcher. I mean the guy is a top 10 pitcher in the entire league, which has been been written and supported by many writers.
That said, if Sheffield was the potential piece in a Goldschmidt deal and they instead got Paxton, dollar for dollar, WAY more upside in the deal the Yankees got.
Make no mistake, Seattle got themselves a nice haul of prospects. If there were a way of using prospect value i.e. Sheffield had a dollar value attached, went way farther to get Paxton than it would have for another player, if that makes sense.
Paxton is 30 years old. We’ve probably seen about all of his “upside” at this point. If he can stay healthy, he’s a solid #3 for the Yankees, for sure. But he’s going to hate pitching in Yankee Stadium almost as Sonny Gray did. He goes from a pitcher’s paradise to one of the 3 worst parks for pitchers instead. Cashman needs to stop acquiring players from the AL West.
That said, I don’t think much of Sheffield anyway, so it was worth the risk to see what Paxton can do.
Umm. Ok?
I agree about the west coast thing. Stadiums are more pitcher friendly and less pressure than the American League east.
Then the yankees should consider bringing Happ back. I was impressed with Happ even though he had that one stinker vs boston.
Right now the only thing we can consider future upside is that because he never had real arm issues that he can stay healthy enough for 2 more years and give us more innings than he has. Maybe 180 this year and 200 next year
Awfully optimistic as 160 1/3 is career high
With the bullpen the yankees have you rarely have any starter going into the 7th an on.
Westcostsoxfan – Paxton is a number 3 on which planet? Malorkin Land? His only drawback is injuries which aren’t even to his throwing arm. He’s a top tier pitcher IF he can stay healthy. He’s not a number 3, healthy or injured. And you have no basis for comparing Gray to Paxton.
Paxton is not an ace no matter how badly you want to spin it. He’s a 2-3. Aces have regular WARs over 5 and yes, aces stay healthy too. Many pitchers can throw fast, make outs and get hurt from it.
First off I never called him an ace. Second, health is irrelevant to if you’re an ace. Ace has to do with talent and results. You can be an “ace when healthy”. Teams won’t want an ace who is always injured, but it doesn’t change your “ace-hood”. Third, are you joking about your WAR comment? Only 10 pitchers in MLB had a WAR above 5 in 2018. Are you saying there’s only 10 aces in MLB? Why not use a better stat for pitchers like xFIP, SIERA, or the best of all, xwOBA against?
Just like you called Sonny Gray an ace when he played for your team? And seriously, WAR for a pitcher? You are one of the worst trolls on here.
HAHAHAHAA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
A *YANKEE fan* calling ME a troll!!!!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
There’s more baseball knowledge in my fingernail than in your entire family tree, I’m one of the most valuable resources on here and everyone but homers and trolls would agree.
Yes, there are only 10 elite pitchers in MLB and Paxton is not one of them. Have fun with your #3.
Don’t pretend like you’re Mr. Analytics. The ONLY analytical stat you’ve posted about is WAR.
So now you’re just surrendering via sarcasm? This is just sad.
I can’t surrender when I won hours ago.
1. You claimed there are only 10 elite pitchers in baseball.
2. We were discussing “aces”, and not “elite”.
3. Even if Paxton was not an “elite” pitcher, that still wouldn’t mean he is a #3.
4. Your appeal to silly sarcasm IS a surrender of the argument.
5. We haven’t been discussing this for “hours”, so I fail to see how you could have “won” hours ago.
This sounds like an amazing use of all that knowledge. When you have to point it out to us….use your analytics to finish my statement. Get over yourself.
LMAO “I’m one of the most valuable resources on here and everyone but homers and trolls would agree.” HAHAHAHAHA. I’d trust Casey’s partner to be more knowledgeable about baseball than you. You are THE worst troll and homer on here.
Lol @ JTO!
I’m sure you do have more baseball knowledge in your fingermail.
Too bad it’s covered in snow.
Fingernail covered in snot before you correct my spelling.
“I’m one of the most valuable resources on here…”
Fascinating. I’ve never seen someone confuse the word “resource” for the words “overblown tool bag” before.
“…health is irrelevant to [sic] if you’re an ace.”
Nope.
The essence of an ace is a pitcher so dominant that the players feel this one will be a W before the game starts. An ace stops losing streaks. An ace wins (and loses) 1-0 games when the offense is in a funk.
But a ace shows up every 5th day. Consistency, not only from game to game, but within the schedule, is required for any pitcher to be regarded as an ace. From 2009 to 2014, Felix Hernandez was an ace. Same with Verlander. Scherzer is now. Any of them gave hope to his teammates that the game he started would be a win. They didn’t have nagging injuries which caused them time on the DL, or had the manager shuffle the rotation to skip a start.
Paxton has obvious talent, but even he would laugh at the suggestion that he is an ace. He lacks the consistency and durability required for such a title.
Okay, but someone really needs to make a profile named “Mr. analytics”, if it hasn’t already been done.
That was poor comparrison for sure.. And one should consider how many under par players for some unknown reason thrive in Oakland.. I was totally against the yankees getring sonny when they had.
Simply put, your definition of an “ace” is wrong.
The guy is over 30 years old and in his last 4 seasons “prime”
2015 – 3.90 era. 67 ip
2016 – 3.79 era 121 ip
2017- 2.98 era 136 ip
2018- 3.76 era. 160 ip
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Well, we both agree that he isn’t a #1 starter. So you are outraged that I called him a #3 while you think he’s a #2?
In my eyes, he hasn’t shown enough to be a #2. He hasn’t pitched enough to establish himself as such. He’s also 30 years old already. This was the one season where he threw more than 150 innings and it was his worst season. Color me unimpressed.
Love how I get down votes for simply posting a players statistics over the last four seasons…?
Paxton should of been traded to the Dodgers so Robert’s could pull a different lefty next world series and blow that to.
Lol
Imagine using ERA in 2018. Come back with at least his xFIP and try again.
Your knowledge is limited, sad and not impressive. Trying to claim anyone who disagrees is somehow a troll just how’s how young, immature and ignorant you are. The only thing everyone on this site agrees with is the fact that you are to mlbtraderumors.com what dionis is to hoopsrumors.com. and if you had an ounce of brainpower you would know that’s an insult that cannot be topped.
When you trade for prospects you never know until they produce. All you can is hope on the upside. Think Chicago is happy how things have worked out in the Sale trade?
Moncada and Kopech both made the big leagues and Basabe had a nice year in the minors, sure Chicago should be happy with that return. You do realize superstars have been traded for guys who never even touched MLB, right? Simply getting them to the show means you did well. Moncada was a 2 WAR player at age 23.
You really don’t get it do you? Players don’t often immediately become superstars overnight. I bet you’ve only watched baseball for less than 10 years off that comment alone.
Ah-HA!
I thought I was the only one on here that said the Red Sox robbed the White Sox on that deal.
I’m sure one guy will pan out and be decent. But we’re talking about a Top 5 MLB pitcher in his prime at a ridiculous below market value contract, that was instrumental in the Red Sox winning a championship.
I was on here maybe 3 weeks ago under an article saying the White Sox were thinking of changing Yoán Moncada’s position. Wrote that I’d seen Moncada play a number of times and was unimpressed. Thought he was poor @ 2B and did not run the bases well. But said he was young and that he could develop into a decent hitter.
Got a response from a White Sox fan that he can’t hit well and never will.
I wrote that the toughest promotion for a player was from AAA to the majors. Got made fun of for that. But I know that professional scouts, development people, and front office people believe it and say it.
3-4 years ago Bryon Buxton was the #1 prospect in MLB. Scouts said he was so much better then other players in the minors that it wasn’t close. He got to the majors and couldn’t hit the pitching. Yes, injuries subsequently occurred, but he can’t hit the pitching when healthy.
Quality scouts and evaluaters are gold. When it becomes obvious in the next few years, Jerry is going to have to reorganize the baseball operation from the top to the lowest level.
So we all agree that prospects are long-shots to become valuable stars. But what were the White Sox to do with Sale? Keep him and still struggle to be a 85-90 win team? They never won more than 85 games during his stint. It’s not his fault management weren’t able to field an all-around better team. So knowing that they needed to tear things down they acquired what was then a top 10 overall prospect in Moncada, Kopech (top 100 then and later a top 10-15 in 2018) and two other currently unranked wild-card prospects. You might want to argue that they should of gotten another top 100 but that asserts that Gms and scouts should target who they ask for in a trade based on what writers write vs what their own means of evaluation lead them to consider. History shows that both consistently get it wrong. However, there’s an absolute history of the team acquiring the star receiving far more value from their acquisition vs the value the other team gets from it’s prospects return.
From the Yanks top 30 prospects in 2017 they’ve graduated Torres, Frazier, Andujar, Judge, Montgomery, Wade, Adams, German and Chad Green, etc to the mlb team. They’ve traded away about 19 others including Sheffield. As of yet, aside from perhaps Nick Solak (Rays) and Taylor Widener (Dbacks) not too many of those prospects have given the Yanks reason to regret. Cave and Austin did ok with the teams they were traded to but they wouldn’t have cracked the Yankee line-up and had lots of blemishes to address before they become anywhere near a “regret”.
1. Why do you put stock in published rankings of players?
Teams have their own scouts and proprietary systems.
Do you think the Astros and Phillies draft and develop the same?
2. I wrote here for 2 years before they did it that the White Sox should do a strip-down rebuild because they had some terrific players…..but not enough depth to win.
I assumed they had some good scouting and development people. Wrong. It’s not just Sale. Rizzo dumped overrated pitching prospects on them for Eaton. Not sure about any of their trades.
3. And how about Don Cooper? He’s supposed to be a superior pitching coach. Carlos Rodon was the #3 pick in the draft with a major league slider. After 4 ML years he’s been a consistent #4 starter with a 4 ERA/FIP, literally showing no improvement in his results. So unless he has a Rick Porcello-type breakthrough…..
I don’t hate Don Cooper. Like Larry Rothschild of the Yankees, he knows as much as any pitching coach. But he’s not getting through to young players.
4. The White Sox have been kicking and throwing the ball around the field like little leaguers since shortly after Robin Ventura was hired. Nothing has changed.
What’s to show that Paxton isn’t Sonny Gray 2.0? Good AL West starter comes to the Big City and can’t handle the pressure of NYC.
I think ageism is being used way too often sometimes. Paxton has a “young” arm in that he’s pitched less than 600 innings in his career. In comparison, Severino already has 518 IP. Paxton’s problem has been staying healthy. Lucky for him his injuries have never been throwing arm related. Age 30 isn’t a “your arm is about to fall off age” for pitchers. Moreso, it’s a time that might signify their prime years with the assumption the player has played 5 or 6 full seasons. If 30 is indeed that watch-out age then why are we considering to sign Corbin for 4-6 years (30 in July)? Why are we trying to acquire Kubel (age 33 in April signed to 3/$52 mil), or Carrasco (age 32 in March owed (2/$20 and has had TJ surgery), or Greinke (age 35), or Keuchel (31 in January) or Happ (age 36)?
Paxton, over the next 2 years, is projected to earn less than any of those rumored targets mentioned above plus he’s younger than all except for Corbin who is only a few months younger. So thinking short-term, there’s less IP on his throwing arm, he’s less expensive than all aside from Carrasco and the next 2 seasons should still garner “prime years” performance
He’s also had a two year trend where he’s lowered his H/9, increased his K/9 (11.03 ranked 4th), had a top 12 K/BB rate, increased his IP yet maintained a very respectable BB/9 rate of 2.4 (top 25 in mlb last 2 years) and a nifty 2.95 FIP which ranked him 5th trailing only Kluber, Sale, deGrom and Scherzer/ His FB velocity is around 95 which ranks him 10th overall..
There are valid reasons to be concerned about him, most mentioned being his health and ability to handle NY. Unless you’ve proven yourself in NY, Boston or in the world series (with a decent sample size) then how can we pretend to say who will or who wouldn’t be able to handle NY? All pitchers carry inherent injury risk and it doesn’t have to be arm related.
However, once you review his body of work over the last 2 seasons and consider that the main risk commodity was Sheffield and to a lesser extent, the other two prospects, as opposed to 10’s or 100’s of millions, then I can see why Paxton may have been viewed as a relative safe risk vs the assets being deployed. Let’s wait and see rather than tearing down this trade in November.
WeatCoastSoxFan, who cares about Paxton’s age?
Yankees have him controlled for age 31-32 seasons. Paxton is still younger than Price, who clinched ALCS and WS for you, albeit ~200M less. Paxton had 208K in 160.1 IP w/ career-highs across board.
“Ohh but he’s 30 years old!” Lol. That’s all you got.
The guy is over 30 years old and in his last 4 seasons “prime”
2015 – 3.90 era. 67 ip
2016 – 3.79 era 121 ip
2017- 2.98 era 136 ip
2018- 3.76 era. 160 ip
He’s 30…not “over 30”. I’m not even sure what your argument is. He seems to be trending upwards. You’re so used to the idea that once you turn 30 the wheels fall off. If that’s true, then consider most of the FA and trade targets are already older than Paxton and then ask why are we after them then?
Sorry I forgot 30 years old and 19 days. ( about 4 months when the season starts) isn’t over 30. No your right he is exactly 30…
My point is not that the wheels are going to fall off. My point is that the wheels aren’t on. And because he is 30+ we are not talking about a 24 year old entering his prime. What you have seen is what you get.
Also he is not trending up. He had a 3.76 era last year and he trended down as his second half era was well over 4
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Meant to say almost 4 era in second half.
A little bit of knowledge will kill you.
Since 2017….among pitchers who threw 240 + innings
FACTS:
Paxton is 13th in WAR, 23rd in ERA, 5th in FIP (2.95), 4th in K/9 (11), 23rd in fewest B/9, 15th in Bat avg against and 11th in WHIP (I use whip because I couldn’t find a H/9 ranking).
He strikes out a ton, doesn’t walk many and gives up fewer hits per innings pitched. He also throws an average of 95 mph. He is EASILY trending upwards (despite that slight increase in ERA you lean so heavily on). He’s also increased his workload over the last two years and has stayed healthy. If he can continue to stay healthy over the next 2 years then I don’t see why he wouldn’t be one of the better pitchers in that span. Who cares beyond the next 2 years? That’s the span of our concern. He may not be a “true” #1 but he’s easily a 2 or 3 on most teams. Same can be said about everyone available via trade or FA aside from perhaps Kluber and Greinke.
What does any of this have to do with David Price? There are all sorts of people on here talking about the “upside” of Paxton. He’s not some kid who’s getting a shot; he’s 30 years old. We know who he is and it’s nothing special. Enjoy your bargain-bin starter, though. I’m sure you are glad to see the Steinbrenners save a few bucks.
Lol, so your using the last two years as your case for trending up? Well they are not the same season so how about we separate them?
In 2017 he had a 2.98 era and last season is was 3.76. That is not trending up… and I’m using era because it is the ultimately the most important out of those stats you keep spouting. As I said previously a guy with a 2.50 era and 0k/9. Is much much better than a guy with a 3.50 era and 20k/9
Your citing irrelevant stats and combining the last two seasons to imply he is trending up when the most recent of the seasons was much worse
You need to have the wheels on at some point in order for them to fall off.
Completely objective analysis. Lol
Sonny Gray now represents every pitcher from the AL West.
Not necessarily. But he does represent a pitcher who had moderate success in a pitcher-friendly park in that division.
Imagine using ERA in 2018 and expecting to be taken seriously.
He did not have moderate success.
Why cant you just admit your are biased instead of proving you’re an idiot?
Lol
Paxton is average cause he went to a team I hate, great logic.
Of course I am biased. However, my bias doesn’t make Paxton wildly successful in SEA. He was pretty good. Nothing more. He also pitched in one of the very best ballparks(and divisions) that a pitcher could ask for. I think he will find the going much tougher in Yankee Stadium. I feel like he could be Sonny Gray II. Where’s the fault in my logic?
You said he had moderate success, now hes was pretty good.
Do you consider moderate and pretty good the same? Most would not, thats the fault you corrected in your own arguement.
You are “hoping” hes sonny gray, based on bias, nothing else.
The arguement you are making can be made of just about any pitcher who is not in the AL East.
Bigger ballparks, offense not as good, in NL no DH and so on.
Why use stats like FIP, K/9, Hard hit rate the have nothing to do with ballpark when you can just say sonny gray came from the same division so he will be the same, lol.
If the Yankees sign Corbin, you’ll ignore every unbiased stat about him and look for reasons he won’t succeed, its the arguement of an 8 year old
I actually thought the Yankees got a great deal on Sonny Gray at the time. I expected him to be really good. I don’t assume everyone the Yankees get will stink simply because I don’t like them.
As for Corbin, he’s certainly hitting free agency at the right time. I’m not sold on him as some kind of ace at all. The Yankees can have him for all I’m concerned. I wouldn’t want to give him 6 years if I were a GM. That’s for sure.
I’m sorry I don’t have a higher view of Paxton than I do. He certainly has the tools to be great, but has shown very little of that to date. He certainly doesn’t concern me the way Bumgarner, Syndergaard or deGrom would.
Finally, having “moderate success” and being “pretty good” really are the same thing. Paxton is a 3rd starter with 2nd starter upside. You are the immature one pretending he’s an ace. Grow up.
Can we stop acting like age 30 is the age in which the wheels fall of. If 30 is an alarming age then every single FA pitcher or trade target should be off limits since they ALL are older and more expensive than Paxton. Even Corbin is only 1 year younger than Paxton. Kluber, Keuchel, Happ…all well over 30. Stop acting as if Paxton isn’t at WORST a good #3.
Dude you’re citing innings pitched an ERA. Look deeper. In the last 2 seasons he’s been one of the top 20 in almost every category. You point to a bad second half. Severino has a bad second half. Relative to his cost, is he NOT a top of rotation arm that just about every team should want?
Paxton, for all we know, is an ace. There’s no reason to suppose he’s just going to melt down the minute he gets on the mound for the Yankees.
I’m just trying to picture some sad guy sitting around reading about some guy for days on end.
I’m just trying to picture some sad guy sitting around reading and commenting about some guy reading about some guy for days on end.
lol
Do you wish you had that time back, or are you happy you spent multiple days reading about James Paxton?
At least the poster is doing creditable research before posting garbage like you do.
I agree with the huge upside here. When Cole was traded last year, many down played the trade however he flourished when being on a contender. Paxton too carries upside so lets see what he does being on a contending team.
Sheffield has a future value of 50. That has a dollar value of 14 million. Paxton is projected to earn 9m in arb and projected to post 4 WAR. That’s a surplus value of 27m. He will then have another year of arb before he’s a free agent. It wss a good trade for both teams, but i like it better for the yanks.
The discrpency in value is brought closer together by the presence of the other prospects in the deal, obviously
Financial ratings alone are ridiculous to assess a player or trade. Championships are won and lost on the field, not via a computer simulation. A catcher stops a wild pitch from allowing the winning run from scoring one day but a different catcher might have been the plate yet stats can’t measure everything. Stats only project based on past results whereas a played game has just too many unique variables. Does anyone really think Boston won the WS because they assessed the stats? If anything, they probably should have lost based on the use of Kelly and Barnes who picked the right time to pitch the best they could. Past stats also could not have projected Eovaldi to pitch like he did and what about Price who’s history in big games had until 18 been horrible. Sorry for this rant but the game we admire is not fantasy.
Oh stop. Boston is among a leading team in analytics. The game is played on the field, but the team is constructed using analytics. And if you prefer traditional stats, guess what? Those aren’t indicative of what is occurring on the field any more than sabermetrics are. It’s basically the equivalent of you saying you prefer a regular 4-function calculator over a graphic calculator. Why use the old one? And if you’re advocating for the eye test, then there’s no point in discussing anything with you.
Of course the Sox use advanced analytics. However, trying to asses the value of a prospect in terms of dollars more than likely factors little into their player decisions. Since we have no way of knowing who will become the star and who won’t then it’s purely fantasy league Gming. There are a gazillion stats one can calculate. Knowing which ones use the right data influences, that then leads to credible research and then having the right front office personnel that know how to apply that research data in the real world market of player acquisitions (drafting, free agency, minor league management) are the key. Sox happen to be better at then 2/3 of baseball and have the resources to both splurge and take risks,
Dewey Evans DOES belong in the HOF. Great ball player that bloomed late.
Butch, read up on him. In his early years he had two children with significant medical issues. His late blooming as you call it correlates with when a writer wrote about what had been mainly private family matters. He was always great in right (giving a comparison at Fenway for Mookie) but it seems his consistency at the plate was either the result of him maturing or having the weight of things being lifted.
As for the other comments, of course stats have always been used (Ted Williams’ shift)), playing a weak hitter to hit the other way against a hard thrower, moving the outfield in, etc. That said I stand by my comments on trying to compare players based on dollars per whatever. Mich Moreland and Steve Pierce both outplayed their stats in the WS. Perhaps they both then shouldn’t be with the team in 19 since their key stats will likely take hits. Meanwhile Moreland was hurt yet was amazing pinch hitting.
So i was responding to the guy who wondered if there was a monetary value for Sheffield. Based on data, which accounts for all 50 FV pitching prospects, they’re worth 14m. Some 50s will blow That out of the water, some will never make the bigs. Of course this isn’t the only way to assess the trade, but it does add up and it did answer the original question.
Let’s do a Yankee Diamondbacks mega trade!
This may also keep the Yankees out of the Machado and Harper free agent circus.
Yanks send Voit or Bird, Sonny Gray, Austin Romine, Elsbury’s contract, and the following 3 minor league prospects:
Albert Abreu who is now there top Pitching prospect and two more top 20 prospects.
Diamondbacks send Goldy, Grienke, and Alex Avila.
I know Diamondback fans will immediately say No way but Goldy is a goner and Grienke is overpaid and those last 3 years could be an albatross.
Arizona gets there immediate first base replacement. They get rid of Grienke (35yo) huge contract (highest pitcher salary per year next 3 years) and replace it with two years total 47 million with insurance coverage. They ultimately replace Grienke with one year of Sonny Gray who they can use at deadline if he returns to his former self or try and sign as he will be 29?
I’ve long thought about the Ellsbury for Grienke swap. With some other pieces mixed in. Effectively, Ellsbury is owed half of what Grienke is owed over the life of the contracts. Grienke, believe or not, carries a higher degree of risk, the inherent nature of a pitcher on a contract of his size. At a minimum, Ellsbury is an overpriced 4th OF or bench piece. If Grienke is hurt, that’s just lost money.
I just don’t know if the Yanks would want take on that contract. I mean if it gave them any opportunity to shed Ellsbury, it warrants consideration, but I don’t know. I do think the Yanks like Corbin and that would pretty much finish off their rotation.
Realized you added in “prospects” too. No way, man.
If this scenario were to ever materialize, it would be Goldschmidt and Grienke in exchange for Ellsbury, Gray, Bird and maybe a guy like Chance Adams (or Medina).
Greinke is one of the best pitchers in baseball. He’s probably overpaid, but not by too much. Meanwhile, Ellsbury has one of the 5 worst contracts in the game. You don’t get to acquire superstar players for a bunch of has-beens and lousy prospects. Ellsbury, Bird & Gray? Are you even hearing yourself? Would YOU make that trade if you were GM of ARZ?
Chance Adams? LMAO.
Greinke lmao!!!!
Greinke is one of the best pitchers in baseball? On what planet, Zorbulon X?
He will be Cooperstown…but don’t try to talk reason.
This year Zack Greinke ranked 27th among all pitchers in fWAR:
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Over the past three seasons the 35-year-old Greinke ranks ninth among all pitchers in fWAR:
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Irrelevant. He WAS one of the better pitchers. Doesn’t make him one now.
Yeah no 35 year old pitcher has ever been good before, youre right. Really great analysis there. Greinke didn’t have a 4.8 WAR last year, nope.
Stop making terrible posts. Of course you can defy the odds and pitch well at age 35, but you don’t place your money on it. And stop using WAR for pitchers when we have better stats. You’re like 5 years behind. Use xwOBA against.
Greinke is THE worst contract in the MLB. He isn’t even a top 30 pitcher, hes old on the worst contract ever given to a pitcher, has the mentality of a 5 year old and would get torn apart by the media for his antics in NY. No way would the Yanks send any prospects for him.
“Irrelevant. He WAS one of the better pitchers. Doesn’t make him one now.”
“Stop making terrible posts.”
SAME GUY!!! lololol what a joke you are. Troll somewhere else please, dont you yankee clowns have some echo chamber site online where you can gather and tell each other youre trading Gray and Bird for Goldy?
As a fellow Yankee fan who doesn’t love Greinke as much as the other posters on this site, you’re wrong. He’s not as elite as they’re saying, but he’s closer to being elite than what you’re describing.
You’re calling me a troll? You’re literally flaming half the posters here and are using WAR in every post despite it being outdated to use for pitching.
He may wind up in Cooperstown but how is that relevant to how he is now. Are they Yankees supposed to send a package to the D’Backs based upon what Greinke was when he was a Dodger for instance or because he might wind up in the hall? No.
Honey, most of the posters here use batting average and pitcher wins and ERA and if you use anything else they call you some nerd who has never watched the game.
There are worse contracts than Greinke’s. Anyone want Albert Pujols, Miggy (that is the worst contract)? All pitchers are a gamble to acquire especially 35 year olds. The Yanks, in their Little League ballpark, shouldn’t be looking at righties who throw fastballs 88-91. If they are looking for a 35 years ild righty just sign Morton who can be effective against lefties. In today’s game you might be better off building a staff from the backend forward. I am never happy when my team acquires a player, especially a pitcher who has already had their best years or just had a year that is way better than their norm.
Greinke is okay but not in the AL East. Taking on that contract at his age would not be a good move.
Earth… If not top five, top ten? Top 15? Every team would take him, contractual obligations aside. Money has no connection with mound performance. Trying to measure the top values/bang for the buck is a different matter.
Greinke had a 135ERA+ this year. Super James Paxton was at 108 last year.
Greinke is still elite and is heading for Cooperstown one day.
the diamondbacks aren’t going to trade their ace for an outfielder who didn’t play in 2018 and can’t stay healthy.
You idiots aren’t trading Ellsbury for Greinke, stop wasting everyones time. AZ is NOT taking on money.
AZ is either taking on money or eating money when they eventually trade Greinke. He isn’t getting trading for a prospect package without either of those things happening.
Even the Tigers had to pay down the Verlander contract a bit. AZ will have to do the same.
Greinke’s entire contract will be traded, just not for a huge package of prospects. You left out that option, which is the one THE TEAM ITSELF SAID THEY WANTED TO DO.
It’s almost like you trolls don’t even read the articles on this site.
mlbtraderumors.com/2018/11/tradefree-agent-rumors-…
To move Greinke they sure will be absorbing some money owed to him one way or the other.
Greinke is worth between $20 – $25 mil on the open market tops. AZ would need to pay down the contract regardless of the prospect haul.
$20 – $25 mil is what Corbin is expected to get and he was a better pitcher last year and much younger. Why would a team take on the full $35 mil on Greinke when they can either sign a Corbin or trade for one of the many younger arms being dangled by their current club?
Time for the Yanks to eat Ellsburys contract and move on.
I’m not a big fan of being Greinke to the Bronx. I think a package of Voit or Bird, Gray, and 3 prospects for Goldy and Kentel Marte to play 2B. Makes more sense. The DBacks can flip Gray or keep him like u said.
I think a Greinke to the Brewers deal would b better off for him
Jesus, we are way overvaluing Goldschmidt right now. Bird and Gray alone is a deal. Wow.
Yeah, teams are just lining up to get Greg Bird. Who wouldn’t want a black hole in their lineup at 1b? I might accept that Bird is a good potential “change of scenery guy”, but his value is at an all-time low(and it was already in the basement). Don’t keep overvaluing this guy because he hit a HR off Andrew Miller 2 years ago in the playoffs.
Umm, Ok? pt.2
Bird is trash.
Well the article reported the Yankees were offering Sheffield and the Astros are trying to offer Bukauskas and might need to offer Alvarez. Yup, I’m sure Goldy can be had for trash!
You are so relentlessly bad at this. Please stop embarrassing yourself. You aren’t getting Goldy for scrubs.
Remember Cleveland gave up on Aguilar early too I’m just saying
Over the past three seasons Paul Goldschmidt has posted 15.3 fWAR,. valued at $122.7, while Gray has posted only 5.2 fWAR, valued at valued at $42.3 million.
Goldschmidt and Gray each remain under team control for only one season, Goldschmidt at a $14.5 million salary and Gray at a projected $9.1 million salary.
Greg Bird, who has only three years of team control, is projected to earn $1.5 million after posting only 0.7 fWAR, valued at $6.3 million, in his first three seasons.
I’m not even a Diamondbacks fan and this proposal is insanely stupid. You are a tad bit delusional to think any GM in the league would take that deal. Bird sucks, Voit is a gap player, Romine isn’t needed when they have Avila,no one is going to take Ellsburys contract, Grienke has a no trade clause which includes the New York Yankees, the Yankees ain’t going to trade there next highest pitching prospect after just trading Sheffield. Honestly this may be the worst mock trade I’ve ever seen.
No way bro! Yankees rule. Goldy maybe a perineal All-Star but Ellsbury Romine and a low level prospect sounds like it can get it done….(breathes through mouth).
Dumb statement from a Twins fan.
Why? Because I used knowledge lol?
Shhh don’t use facts that show the Yankees actually employ a ton of scrubby players! Their troll-group on these boards (probably came from twitter) will downvote your common sense proposals even though anyone not from NY can see how correctly evaluated they are! You are good one TwinKilling, just persevere and hopefully these guys will fall down a manhole or something and never come back here.
@JTO I’m not going to let them get to me lol. I mean if they actually came up with a decent proposal then I’m fine with that. The problem is Yankees fans think they are the best thing on earth and anything they say should be treated as gospel lol
NYY has 1 title since 2001 and Boston has 4 in the last 14 years, I know who SHOULD be lecturing us about winning, and its not NYY fans 🙂
I’m sure he’s one of those Twins fans that still thinks Byron Buxton is the next Willie Mays.
Not saying some of the trade proposals on here aren’t ridiculous, but there’s also a lot of Yankee hate/envy in many of these comments.
Why would anyone envy a team with 1 title in 18 years?
I hate their idiotic imbecile fans a lot, but that’s because they refuse to learn or act anything else other than a mouth breathing homer who thinks anyone on their 40 man is a HOFer until theyre traded, then theyre worthless. Its maddening logic.
You’re right about the lack of championships lol.
Yankees have 5 titles in the last 22 years. Red Sox have 4 in the last 14 years.
Yankees have 27 in the last 100 years. Red Sox have 4 in the last 100 years. Sorry, but Yankees are still truly the only team that knows winning. A loser is still a loser. Finally winning a few doesn’t make 86 years of suck go away.
NYY have 27 titles and Boston hasn’t even hit double digits yet. See? I can make statements with arbitrary cut-offs to favor my point too! 🙂
Why was it dumb? Are you saying Twins fans opinions do not count? That only Yanked fans can comment on baseball? Look you post a mock trade proposal looking for comments then you get comments and you cannot accept a different opinion. Sad
Who’s Willie Mays?
Yanks haven’t had a losing season in 26 years. Most teams don’t go 26 months (baseball season months) without a losing season. There’s a helluva lot of envy here and all over the country, as well. I’m used to it and it doesn’t bother me, since Yankee fans ate all kinds of crap when they were terrible in the late 80s and early 90s.
Every team has fans that are ridiculous and imbecilic, as evidenced on this site.
Astros, Indians, Mariners, Dbacks, Blue Jays, Brewers, Nationals, Braves, Phillies, Mets, Rays, O’s, Reds, Pirates, Twins, Tigers, Dodgers, Rockies, Padres, Athletics, Rangers and Angels all say “Hi” as they all have been win-less since the Yankees won their last in 2009. Our on-field product is consistently better than their teams too.
That being said, why don’t you stop lumping “all” fans as the same?
Check who won 2017 not that long ago or is it you can’t recognize astros since they knocked you out two years in a row
So, the summary of your potential trade would be “Yankees crap(and some middling prospects) for the 2 best players on the D-Backs”. Do you guys even listen to yourselves with this stuff? Why would ANYONE want Ellsbury at this point(he has a no-trade anyway)? Regardless, you don’t think the D-Backs can do better than this proposal?
Wait your saying the Yankees best pitching prospect and two other top 20 prospects plus Voit or Bird as there everyday first basemen and Gray who should have a bounce back in the weak ass NL is crap? You are delusional yourself. Goldy will be a free agent and a Grienke barely throws 90mph and is 25 being paid 35 million a year for 3 more years. Yes they may have been Arizonas two best players but the team stunk and is old. I’m thinking your anti Yankee bias has you angry!
Grienke is 35
Typo
Bingo. Thanks. Weird comment section this morning.
I’m constantly amused that Yankee fans, somehow, think Luke Voit’s excellent 150 at-bats in 2018 somehow mean he’s good now, despite the mountains of previous evidence. Voit isn’t a major piece of any trade; he’s a journeyman with zero defensive value who had a nice couple months.
You feel better after the ‘needs his meds’ comment?
rocky7 is such a scumbag troll who needs to be banned like yesterday – homophobic, hate-fueled, not one ounce of class in his body. Probably is unemployed and lives in his mom’s basement in Queens.
Mountains of previous evidence?? What previous evidence?? The guy had a whole 163 PA in MLB, spotty PA, before coming to NY. That’s a mountain of evidence that says he isn’t really good?? The guy improved offensively at every minor league level, to the point he slashed .314/.398/.532 at the AAA level. So where is this mountain of evidence against him???
uhhh a duh huh…I mean….he’s 27 dahuh and can never be a good player…Da huh he never appeared on a top 100 prospect so he can be u,, da huh …good.
Seriously. No one should expect .300/400 and 75 homers. However, there’s nothing in his history (minor league numbers and scouting report) that says he can’t be a solid .280/.350 25-30 homer lumbering bat first type of player. We’ve seen his type in Khris Davis, Jesus Aguilar, Justin Bour types who weren’t early round picks who despite solid years in the minors never made a top 100 list but eventually got their shot after age 25-26 yet still performed well at the major league draft. Voit was in the same draft class as Judge in 2013 and is only 1 year older than he is. I could care less that he;s 28 as long as he can perform. 4 years is all I’m worried about.
Cashman even mentioned in an interview that 1B is Voits to lose and Birds to try and win. He also said that barring something amazing falling in his lap, that 1B wasn’t an area of concern for now.
We really need to ban any poster who thinks Greg Bird has trade value. Sonny Gray’s value is next to nothing as well. The Yankees are not packaging them together for anything more than a couple 18 year old lotto tickets.
JTO – Your garbage trade idea for Gray for Mateo would be better for the Yanks then taking on Greinke, thats a franchise crippling contract for an aging somewhat washed pitcher. Why would they trade for him when theres at least 4 better options on the free agent market.
Okay but if Ellsbury is hurt all year and insurance money kicks in would it then be worth it?
Alternate Dbacks Yankees blockbuster deal.
Yankees send Ellsbury’s contract, Sonny Gray, Gary Sanchez and Abreu to Dbacks for Greinke, Avila, Chris Owings and Yasmany Tomas.
Yankees get an Ace, unload Ellsbury (who is worthless to their OF mix even if he is healthy), and get a proven ML SS to fill in for Gregorius until he comes back. Owings then becomes a super utility guy who can play multiple IF and OF positions.
Dbacks get 3 players they need: starting pitcher, catcher and CF (if Ellsbury is healthy enough to platoon in CF).
You are outta your mind
Definition of a homer = every player on my team is an All-Star and future Hall of Famer, and every player on any other team is crap!
Still completely awful deal for AZ. What is going through your mind when a team says “we’re rebuilding”? Why does your brain go “Ohhh that means they want to add salary!” Why? That’s emphatically not true.
They’re not adding salary in that deal. In fact, they’d be unloading a ton of salary. Just cause Ellsbury goes back, doesn’t mean they’re adding. To deal away Grienke and Tomas contracts, they’re not just gonna be able to dump all of that and take nothing back. Combined, there’s about 147 million dollars going out. Nobody would even take those 4 players for free from Arizona. With what would be coming back, that’s all Ellsbury, 44 mil that clears in 2 years. DBacks would be unloading nearly 150 mil in salary and only taking back about 60. A net savings of nearly 90 million dollars on their bottom line. To trade a 35 year old Grienke owed 105 million dollars, that’s gonna have to be knocked way down to make happen. To trade Tomas, that’ll never happen. They put him on waivers and nobody wanted him. To unload that much salary, that much negative salary, Arizona doesn’t get away without paying out big.
Wow that’s awful on sooo many levels.
Goldschmidt for Florial, Montgomery, Adams and Voit.
There’s your real-deal trade that is fair and balanced to both sides and IDGAF what any moron Yankee fan homer thinks about it!!! ITS FAIR.
Not a Yankee fan but that is an overpay for 1 year of Goldy. The key part you seem to be missing here is 1 year of control. The D-backs just have to hope that they can get a bidding war going between the Yankees and Astros that is there best chance at an overpay.
A second missing key part is that the Dbacks won’t trade the face of their franchise for crap or for a middling return. It will have to be a major overpay. There is no need for a bidding war. Come very strong or stay home.
@bruin1012 For 1 year of 5+ WAR, that’s decent value but yes, like you said, it is more than likely the real-life result of a bidding war with Houston and STL. Teams aren’t going to just let the Yankees have him for scraps.
Goldy would hit 50 homers and have a 1.000 OPS at Yankee Stadium, EASILY. That isn’t coming cheap. Voit is kinda worthless, I threw him in just to have a 1B going back, but Florial needs to be in the deal. Couple of decent-ish prospect arms going back for 1 year of a certified-elite player is market value.
@scottaz – EXACTLY
Lol! Trading Florial and two young controllable SP’s for an aging expensive rental first baseman! You’re hilarious! I’d rather have Voit tbh, younger cheaper and way more team control. Take your trolling and anti Yankee bias somewhere else you know nothing bum.
50 homers in Yankee Stadium? No he wouldn’t, people said the same about Stanton and if he couldn’t Goldy definitely can’t either. You make the Yankees overpay in every trade because you are an anti Yankee biased troll. No one is gibing up that much for an againg rental FIRST BASEMAN of all positions. He can just stay in Arizona because no one is giving that up.
To call Voit worthless is just ignorant. Guy just hit .333/.405/.689, a 1.095 OPS, 14 HR, 33 RBI over a quarter of a season for the Yankees. But he’s worthless?? If he’s that worthless in a trade, I’m sure the Yankees aren’t throwing him any deal for anybody.
If the Yankees have Goldy they really do not need Voit. He could go back in the deal. I doubt they deal Monty but Florial, Voit, and Adams for Goldschmidt could certainly be realistic. I don’t think there’s anyway you get Montgomery in that package. It’s only one year of Goldy and AZ can not afford to resign him so they are really stuck between a rock and a hard place. They are likely worse than last year with the likely subtraction of pollock and Corbin. And they have no payroll flexibility to improve.
A gentle reminder that Ellsbury has a full NTC on his deal, and the Yankees aren’t sending him out to get a newspaper and a latte, much less “trading his contract”, with his consent. That’s the reason he didn’t go to Miami in the Stanton trade, and there is no reason to believe he would feel differently about being sent to Phoenix. That’s not a knock on Phoenix, just the acknowledgment that Ellsbury has shown no interest in playing anywhere other than the AL East.
Yeah, Ellsbury probably would go to Arizona. His home is in Arizona. He has ties with some people in their front office. They could offer consistent playing time for him. Arizona is in fact one of the few teams he’d probably agree to waive his NTC for.
You know nothing.
Does anyone recall Grienke has anxiety issues being on a big market team? Doesnt favor the Yanks if he crashes especially at 35.
He literally has Saud he will never play for the Yankees because of his anxiety. I don’t understand what these people don’t understand about that.
Please link to that statement
You know say what you want about Grienke but if Arizona through in some money in the deal I as a Brewer fan would love to have him back because he so far can still pitch. What he could do for for Peralta Burnes, Woodruff or any young pitcher would be worth it in knowledge of the game, plus he does a lot for the community too.
Aside from the fact that nobody is going to okay a Yankees garbage-fest for a top player deal, nobody but nobody wants Ellsbury. The Yankees wanted him so badly, now they remain stuck with him. Why do you think nobody in Boston cared when New York signed him? They saw him slipping.
Why would the Yanks trade Romine and get Avila? Romine is a hundred times better offensively and defensively.
Voit had a great small run. I doubt he even comes close to similar stats going forward. Other teams dont value him near as much as the yankees. Hes no teams future first baseman. Good bench piece, not babe ruth.
You would be sending andujar to arizona as well
You reasoning makes no sense, because they just end up with more over paid contracts.
Not a Yankee fan but why would cashman do that? Why would any GM except Arizona’s do that?
Voit is a did on a minimum contract with years old control not even arbitration elligible
to all:
Yanks fan here.
@newyorkyankee17 and @dynasty – Greinke is still a top front-of-rotation pitcher and it’s not even an argument. Are there 20-25 pitchers better than him?
@pinstripes- His contract ISN’T the worst in baseball. It’s most EXPENSIVE but it’s not upside down. Last 2 years:: 12th in WAR, 5th in IP, 14th in ERA, 20th in FIP,
All that being said, Greinke, tho overpaid, is still very productive. The only reason why the Dbacks want to trade him is because of the money he ties up in payroll which prevents them from retaining guys like Goldschmidt or acquiring others to address needs. Ellsbury on the other hand is questionable to add ANY value on-field because he can’t STAY on the field. The only way I see any team taking on Ellsbury is if traded for an equal same-dollar same-risk player like a David Wright before he decided to retire or Chilli Davis who’s performance is so bad you might wish he was on the DL.
I would imagine the Dbacks might eat some salary to move Greinke but I doubt they will take salary on. It almost defeats the purpose of trying to become lean. Spending money but getting as equal on-field production. Bang for bucks. If I’m the Dbacks I eat about $12 mil a year and ask for 2 top 75-150 prospect in return. If Grenkie were signed to a 3/$75 mil and on the trading block I think that would be a reasonable return. As of 2018, any age regression hasn’t shown yet. No need to think he wouldn’t still be a top 25 pitcher over the next 2-3 seasons at least. Risk yes? But not as huge as what Eovaldi, Corbin, Keuchel might be,
As for him coming to NY, it’s highly unlikely. It’s been talked to death about every time he’s on the trade or free agent market. Him and NY are not meant to be and it’s been well discussed before..
I also call bull on the Yanks shopping Sheffield for Gildscmidt. Doesn’t make sense. This early into the off-season with two holes to fill in the rotation (prior to Paxton trade) I can’t see Cashman willing to trade their best trade chip for 1 year of a 1B especially when you have a cheap option in place already with 4 years of control left in Voit. Yes, I know, Voits no Goldscmidt but Voit allows Cashman to focus and use their greatest resources, money and prospects, to address the bigger more obvious needs. Even if the Dbacks offered Goldscmidt for Sheffield straight up I would still argue that it’s a poor use of a resource with the bigger need for starting pitching unanswered at the time.
Glad to see Cashman is not content with Voit and Bird going into the season. I would love to see them get a real first baseman.
They shouldn’t have been pushing the Bird experiment as long as they did. I wonder how a Cron/Voit platoon would do? It would save the Yankees some money while giving good production. However, the Yankees fans probably wouldn’t be happy unless it was a marquee named player like Goldy.
Cron and Voit are both right handed lol
Cron and Voit are both righties.
Cron does nothing for the Yankees, they already have a better right handed hitting 1B that can actually take a walk
Ridiculous checking on hold was just due diligence as any smart GO does Voit earned his shot, Cashman will give him that being a controlled asset at minimum salary gives Cashman room to sign others like Corbin
Wonder if the Braves could get in on Segura. Break a lot of females hearts to deal Dansby but I’m not sure he’s gonna reach his potential in Atl. He’s too interested in doing model shoots and selling t-shirts.
Dansby sucks…
He’s an above average glove and a below average bat that’s cheap and still has some upside. I think he has a little value but really needs to get out of Atlanta IMO
Must suck being a closeted homosexual hiding in a Braves hat and Jersey
You’ve now made two baffling stupid comments in this thread. Take your anger elsewhere please. You’re the sad one.
Amen bb365
Commenting on breaking girls hearts and tight t-shirts over some dude is baffling in my book.
This seems unnecessary
Hey powerlessdweeb,
you are a disgrace to humanity, get your ass off this site. Your hatred is ruining my Sunday coffee
If the Mariners do deal Haniger, please do so to an AL team. Yes, this is for selfish fantasy reasons on my part.
I hope the Yankees give Voit a shot at 1st. Bird should start the year in the minors and if they both drop the ball, 1st baseman are generally not hard to come by at the deadline (and you can go after goldy then if he wasn’t traded)
I’m surprised if the Yankees were offering Justus Sheffield for Goldschmidt that a deal didn’t end up getting done. I wonder when this trade was discussed
The next top pitching prospect for the Yanks is Abreu. They should now offer him and a few top 20s with and either bird or Voit and see if Arizona wants to deal him to the Yanks. Houston will never deal there top pitching or position prospect. They will offer there 8th best while the Yanks offered there top!
Abreu is now our top and would be lots of teams top prospect!
Fact!
That’s because Yankees top pitching prospect is #85 and Astros is #8. You are comparing apples to oranges.
Is your right best in the top 100? You know the one your offering!!!
Astros aren’t trading Whitley for anyone, especially not a rental 1B. Their prospect on the block is Bukauskas, Sheffield was better than him so, if AZ didn’t accept that deal, they aren’t accepting Houston. Besides, Paxton has much more value to the Yanks than a 1B rental ever will.
Yankees should not trade for Goldschmidt. Selling the farm for a 1B when you have larger holes to fill right now, 1B isn’t a premium position, and Voit at least showed some promise (even if his production was clearly unsustainable) is silly. Voit isn’t some lightning in a bottle catch either. He was at least fairly well-respected in St. Louis’s system, even if he’s no top prospect.
Not sure if you are aware…. But the farm has already been sold.
No it hasn’t. It’s extremely loaded still, just at the lower levels.
How many first round picks are left? A farm ranked in the teens is not loaded. If it was, it would be higher. Keep buying all that hype. Bird? Bust. Mateo? Bust. Fowler? Bust. Kaprelien? Bust. Babe Rutherford? Bust.
That’s why we traded them, sounds like we didn’t really lose anything, major contradiction there bud.
And other than Bird who still has significant upside, what of those players are busts? do you not understand how prospects work? Most of them have never even played in the majors yet, bud so we can’t see if they’re busts yet.
First off, the number of first round picks is irrelevant. What matters is how they’re performing, not the round they were drafted. Second, you listed all players who are no longer in the Yankee system (aside from Bird), so you accidentally helped my point. Good job there. Lastly, the farm is ranked in the teens now because many of their top prospects graduated, and because their talent is now all in the lower levels. You get graded higher if you’re mediocre but are nearly major league ready than being very talented but 3 years away. That’s how it works.
The Yankees farm is absolutely loaded with quality young arms, I believe you were thinking of Boston whose farm is depleted and trash.
Depleted for a World Series. What did selling all those prospects get you? No flags or titles the last 2 years.
What prospects have we sold? Billy McKinney? Justus Sheffield? Red Sox have one of the worst farm systems in baseball bud no way around it, very ironic because the Yankees farm is loaded.
Totally agree Bald Vinny the Red Sox won a World Series so everything they did with there farm was worth it.
The Yankees farm is not elite anymore they have graduated guys and they have traded some guys but that is what happens to farm systems. Eventually you have to rebuild your farm system.
The Red Sox have built there World Series team first and foremost with there farm and then some quality free agent pickups. When graduate as many guys as the Red Sox did your farm system is just not going to be the same. The Yankees farm is in that decline now as they trade assets to try and win a World Series and they graduate guys like Gleyber and Andujar.
DD also did a great job in in season acquisitions last year as well.
Yankees still have a farm and have many shots at a title. Boston is finished for the next decade at a minimum. So you’re ignoring quite a bit of context with your increasingly bad posts.
Dynasty that has to be one of the stupidest comments I have seen “ finished for the next decade at a minimum”. As long as the ownership stays in Boston they will not have a 10 year drought. The Yankees farm isn’t what it was they have made some trades but more importantly they have graduated players. When you pick as high as NY and Boston does year after year the quality of your prospects is probably going to take a hit. It’s ok it happens right now it is happening to NY as they are gearing up to go for a championship. I’m just trying to educate you so you won’t make really dumb comments like “ Boston is finished for a decade at a minimum.
I have Houston signing Cruz, Eovaldi and McCutchen.
So not trading for Castellanos? I like it Scooter
I don’t see the Astros adding Eovaldi. He upped his value by being awesome in the playoffs. The Astros typically don’t sign free agents at top value.
Greinke has a limited no trade in his contract I’m sure the Yankees are on that list and since he has had anxiety issues in the past highly doubt he would waive his no trade to go to the Yankees.
If the D-backs make Goldy available then you will be in a bidding war with at least the Astros for his services. He will not come cheap.
Finally a sensible comment.
I think a package similar to what the dodgers offered the orioles last year for Machado would get it done. So that would start with Alvarez with higher end prospects included. Like JBB and Cionel Perez. From what I understand, D backs need a lot of prospects, so they can indiscriminately choose from the Astros system from different levels… Goldy would be a significant add to that lineup, I hope the Stros can pull it off.
AJ Pollock will provide more WAR over the next 4 years than Machado or Harper.
Houston is going to be terrifying if they get Pollock, they could just put Tucker on ice and bring him along slowly with no pressure, and he can replace Reddick in late 2020.
Or trade Tucker for JTR from Miami if they sign an outfielder like Pollock that makes Tucker expendable.
There’s not much left for Tucker to learn down at AAA and I doubt they keep him in the majors on the bench for a year and a half. They’d probably consider trading Tucker for an ace if they do sign one of the tier 2 OFers.
I hate each and every Yankee homer troll on this damn site and if MLBTR is reading this, adding a BLOCK function so we could just ignore these troll posters would sure create a better environment.
Or just ban all Yankee homers. This place was awesome until the likes of absolutely horrendous people like rocky7 showed up.
Every article comment section turns into a Yankee trade scenario, or how the Yankees #8 prospect is most other teams top 3 prospect. Just dumb.
Why don’t we just ban you? All you do is whine about the Yankees and say you’re the smartest person here, we’ll son. The downvotes on all your comments prove otherwise.
I’m here you jerk…..Guess I got your attention…..the block function would be a great idea for the likes of you.
How’s those A’s working for you these days…..oh yeh they didn’t get past the wildcard which we played in the Bronx didn’t we!
On Rocky just sent J-T-O down for the count! 1…2…3…4…5…
Hey,
Not sure what happened to our conversation earlier but I wanted to point something out because you believe WAR is the greatest stat ever and that it decides a player.
So based on your thinking, Matt Carpenter is a better player than Jose Altuve because MC had a higher WAR.
Justin-Turner overdrive.. Hey man I’m not here to bash you or anything like that..but I believe you should consider taking a break. I don’t think you realize how vindictive you sound. I just hope this isn’t carrying over to your personal life..1 minute of anger isn’t worth 60 seconds of happiness. Good luck
Now that is a sensible comment
If the Astros want Springer back in a corner OF spot and don’t want to lose a draft pick or incur the cost of Pollock in CF, I have a trade idea w/ the Braves.
How about an inexpensive,multiple GG winning CF, All Star Ender Inciarte for
Kyle Tucker ?
Hmmmm
It would make the braves offseason harder
Why is that ? Acuna moves to CF for 2019 until Pache is ready in 2020.
Tucker is in RF, and Duvall in LF
Astros wouldn’t trade Tucker for Realmuto. They’re sure as heck hanging up on an offer for Ender friggin’ Inciarte!
Oh boy we’re back to Inciarte to Astros deals! They aren’t going to trade Tucker for Inciarte lol
Hahahahahhahahahahahahahaha
Oh wait you’re serious. I’m going to laugh harder.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I’ll be the one laughing when Inciarte wins his 4th gold glove,
has another 200 hit season and 20+ stolen bases to go along with another All Star appearance and making peanuts while Tucker struggles having to play while you pay Pollock millions while he’s injured
If Inciarte is so good then why would you want to trade the All star gold glove 200+ hit OFer for struggling Tucker when the Braves are trying to win? Sounds to me like Inciarte is what they need
I saw the 120+ comments or something, and thought “hey, maybe we had a good baseball discussion.” I was… very wrong.
Indeed
Yeah. I felt the same way. All Yankees news should be its own post. That will save the comments section for the rest of us.
I wonder if the Astros could get Goldie by trading Tyler White and Tony Kemp. Both are MLB proven and cheap.
Article suggests players like Bukauskas, Alvarez, and Sheffield. No way that is anywhere near close…
Plus the DBacks probably want to tank so fringe starters are not what they want lol
3 way trade proposal:
Mariners Trade – Segura (atl), Diaz (atl), Seager (sd)
Braves Trade – Riley (sea), Newcomb (sea), Wright (sea), Wilson (sd), Swanson (sd)
Padres Trade – Yates (atl), Myers (sd)
Mariners get 2 long term rotation pieces, a long term 3b and take on Myers contract.
Braves get a stud shortstop and solidify the back end of their bullpen.
Padres get a decent and young shortstop to hold down the fort until Tatis Jr arrives. They take on Seager’s contract but he is also a big upgrade over their current 3b situation. They also get a long term rotation piece.
So you’re a braves fan I see. no chance of that happening Seattle gets raped and San Diego is hurt too Braves fans celebrate
Not a Braves fan actually.
What more would Seattle need?
I still believe the Cards have the young arms Arizona needs. Why would they take on Ellsbury when for the same money they could resign Pollack? Plus they have Carson Kelly to add to the mix if necessary. Look for Goldy to be wearing Birds on the Bat.
Can someone please explain to me why Yankees fans are either calling James Paxton an ace or talking about his “potential”?!?
The guy is over 30 years old and in his last 4 seasons “prime”
2015 – 3.90 era. 67 ip
2016 – 3.79 era 121 ip
2017- 2.98 era 136 ip
2018- 3.76 era. 160 ip
I’d say it’s pretty safe to say we know what this guy is as a pitcher. It’s kind of tough to say those are anywhere near ace numbers really. So now he gets traded to ny and he is just going to turn into another person?
I agree that he’s not an ace (because he just isn’t….he doesn’t have the body of work of an ace…but he is a potential ace. .
Just looking at ERA is simplistic in judging a pitcher. What motivated the Yankees to add him are his peripherals, which are very good, and trending up.
His strikeout rate has improved EVERY YEAR, for the past five years. In 2018, it stands at 11.7,…which was better than any qualifying starter, except for three: Cole, Scherzer and Verlander.
Same story with his WHIP. It improved every year, for the past three, and in 2018 it was at 1.098 (only 11 qualifying starters were better). Batting average against was .223. Only 17 qualifiers topped that.
His FIP was significantly lower than his ERA as well, in 2018, and his HR to Fly Ball ratio was unusually high. All that adds up to one conclusion: he pitched better than his ERA suggests, because he had some bad luck with a couple of wall scrapers.
And the projection algorithms agree, as both of them on fangraphs project him to pitch to a 3.47 ERA in 172 innings, in 2019.
Your citing a projection that has him pitching more innings than he ever has… how do you project that? But that’s fine I’m actually cool with that
Your right 170 innings and a 3.47 era is not an ace.. case closed.
Also just FYI a pitchers strike out rate don’t really do much for me as a statistic. How many runs they give up matters more to me than how many batters they K. A pitcher could pitch 8 inning giving up 0 runs and have 0 k. That’s be better than a guy going 5 innings giving up 5 runs and having 15k
Your citing a projection that has him pitching more innings than he ever has… how do you project that?
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Well, I’m not a statistician, but I can tell you that the projections are created by applying the science of Statistics, applied to a massive sample size that comprises the entire history of Major League Baseball (weighted towards the more recent years, I’m sure). It’s also important to note that baseball stats are extremely reliable (are in fact probably the most reliable record of this magnitude in human history, that’s why so many smart people who know Statistics love to play around with them, and come up with all sorts of brilliant metrics and projections).
A simplistic explanation is that they looked at what other pitchers have done at a similar age….and, on average, they had a better season than any of their previous ones. Paxton is entering his age 30 season, and 30 is a bit of a magic number for pitchers.
The most recent example of that is of course deGrom, who won the Cy Young and put up 10 WAR in his age 30 season, far surpassing anything he had done before.
Your right my bad, that explains it all, now I get it..
Age 30 is just a magical season
Also just started looking at some and the first two pitchers I searched were Corey kluber and David price. Both had mediocre or worse age 30 seasons.
Price had a 3.99 era and kluber had a slightly higher era than his career average..
I will keep you updated on my search as I explore this magical 30 science of which you speak
Felix Hernandez had the worst year he has had since his age 21 season when he turned 30
Gio Gonzalez 11-11 with a 4.57 era on his age 30 season
Justin verlander
28 – 2.40 era
29 – 2.62 era
30 – 3.46 era
Magical indeed….
Yu darvish turned 30 and posted the worst season of his career as well
Clayton Kershaw turned 30 this season and has his worst year since he was 22 years old…
Dallas kuechel turned 30 this season as well
Age 27 – 2.48 era
Age 29 – 2.90 era
Age 30 – 3.74 era
Man your so full of crap it’s oozing out of your ears, be silent on this forum now. You have been banished….
Also how are his peripherals when he isn’t pitching in Seattle?
Because its Yankee fans. That is what they do. Everyone they have is great UNTIL they are traded then they pretend the player stinks and they never like him. Example Sheffield. He was the great prospect until a few days ago. Now Yankee fans say they never liked him.
Imagine using ERA in 2018 and expecting to be taken seriously.
Sorry my friend but era is still a very relevant statistic, in fact one of the most relevant. Era is the culmination of all of your irrelevant statistics. Era is the average amount of runs a pitcher allows per 9 innings, which has much more serious implications in the final result than how many batters he strikes out per 9 or really any other stats accept probably war.
Also Eduardo Rodriguez and James Paxton have almost the same war over the past 4 seasons.
Scary if your “ace” has been as valuable as Eduardo Rodriguez over the past 4 seasons….
At least Erod is only 25 though
East fraud times? Really?
Wow what a load