Reds minor league right-hander Jairo Capellan died in a car crash in the Dominican Republic on Saturday, the team announced. He was 19 years old. Two other Reds minor leaguers – righty Raul Hernandez and outfielder Emilio Garcia (both of whom are 19) – were also in the car, and each player suffered injuries. Hernandez is currently in critical condition, while Garcia is in stable condition. “We received this terrible news and send our condolences and support to the families, friends and teammates of Jaro, Raul and Emilio,” said Reds CEO Bob Castellini. “Our Dominican operations are an integral part of the Reds organization, and this tragedy affects us all. We will remain closely involved to help everyone through this difficult time.” MLBTR joins the Reds in extending our condolences to the families, friends and teammates of all three players.
Here’s lighter news on another National League club:
- Although Julio Teheran has long been a workhorse in Atlanta, where he has totaled 30-plus starts in six straight seasons, his status with the team is “in limbo,” per Mark Bowman of MLB.com. Even if the Braves are unable to find a trade partner for Teheran this offseason, they may not guarantee him a rotation spot in 2019, when he’s due $11MM, Bowman adds. Next season’s the last guaranteed year of the $32.4MM extension Teheran signed in 2014. At that point, the Braves were hoping Teheran would emerge as a front-line starter for the long haul. That hasn’t really happened, but Teheran has nonetheless been a competent major league starter. The right-hander is also still relatively youthful, as he’s coming off an age-27 season in which he logged 175 2/3 innings of 3.94 ERA ball. Teheran’s peripherals were less impressive than his run prevention (as has been the case throughout his career), however, and his already unimposing velocity trended downward.
- More on the Braves, who haven’t officially closed the door on the Nick Markakis era, Bowman relays. Markakis is currently a free agent, though, and Bowman reports that the Braves will see if they can acquire a more powerful outfielder before potentially circling back to him. Set to turn 35 on Nov. 17, Markakis just wrapped up a four-year, $44MM contract, over which he offered slightly above-average offensive production (103 wRC+) in 2,745 plate appearances. Markakis, to his credit, was exceptionally durable as a Brave, as he missed just 12 games over the span of his just-expired deal. He took the field for all 162 games this past season and put up his best numbers as a Brave, hitting .297/.366/.440 (114 wRC+) with 14 home runs and 2.6 fWAR.
Another car accident death… RIP Jairo Capellan.
Holding Raul Hernandez and Emilio Garcia in my prayers.
I personally never heard of Jairo Capellan. My only question would be was he a top prospect of any kind. Such a horrible thing to hear about this. This is like 4 straight years of off season vehichle related deaths.
No stop signs in some countries. Plus speeding and small streets are always dangerous.
I think 4 of them were alcohol related deaths. The other way unfortunately roy Halladay and jose Fernandez. Who were both intoxicated with substances morphine and cocaine. Fernandez was going 120mph (if he was in a car) also in rough waters of Miami. It’s no joke. It’s just sad to turn on ESPN or mlb network and see that another player had passed away.
His ERA was mid 6 in the Dominican Summer League….most likely his next move was Dayton I suppose.
Teheran needs to be traded we got plenty of rotation options
Think Atlanta should go after Domingo Santana really hard even of Tehran is the pitcher you trade for him
Are we really back to the Santana for Teheran offers again?
How about Keon Broxton instead?
I’d like to see if Seattle or Oakland can swing some sort of deal for Teheran. Ive been wondering if he can muster a return to form outside of Suntrust and at Safeco/Coliseum with another decent OF behind him, but I know his peripherals aren’t as hilariously solid as someone like Jon Gray’s — so it’s definitely taking a chance. The Mariners could really use the IP/starts too and maybe that could save them some money for an upgrade to the offense.
Trade Teheran in a package for Greinke. He can provide the Dbacks with innings
No package…Teheran for Grienke (full contract )
Gross. If that happened then ATL would essentially be signing Greinke to a Kershaw-like deal 3/93.5MM would be left on the deal assuming AZ picked up Teheran’s 11MM). Anyone paying a 35 y/o Kershaw prices is silly and will be the brunt of many jokes. I can’t see AA willingly walking into that trap.
He traded for Tulowitzki not two years ago. Signed Russell Martin to a heavily backloaded deal. AA has no problems leveraging the future
You’re right, it was not 2 years ago because it was 3 years ago, but what is 1 year? Not sure what taking on a backloaded deal in a bad contract has to do with either of your mentions. People keep saying that Greinke’s deal is about at market rate, which is true, but that’s for the best pitchers in the game, like Kershaw that is almost 5 years younger. No way I’d go close to paying Greinke $93.5MM unless ARZ packages something else with him, like money. Lots of it.
If Arizona and Atlanta can find a way to make his salary close to $20-25 million per year I’d be okay with that — even with Greinke hitting 37 in the final season.
Send o’day over in the trade as well and that’s 20.5 million dollars off Greinke’s salary. AZ eats another 10 and it’s not the most atrocious contract in the world. Greinke is still a quality pitcher.
@SuperSinker. AA is an aggressive GM and has the track record to prove it. The context of the Tulo (and Price) deals also calls to remember that AA likely knew he wasn’t coming back to Toronto after that season. And why the Tulo and Martin contracts are negative values, on the trade front he’s acquired a lot of contributors and only really given up Thor in those deals. Not a perfect track record, but hits more than he misses.
I really hope Atlanta doesn’t touch Grienke. Even just a straight trade is a terrible idea. We don’t want to be on the hook for 30+ million a year for a pitchers age 35,36 & 37 season. We can do better things with that kind of cash. I also don’t want to give away valuable prospects for a deal like that to get the DBacks to absorb some of the cost for..again..a pitcher going into his middle and late 30’s.
Actually like the Santana idea alot
I’m curious, what do non-Braves fans think of Teheran. Would you want your team to take him on for $11 million as a 3, 4, or 5 (team dependent) in your team’s rotation?
Depends on which team, he looks like a guy who would benefit playing in the AL West or AL Central with all of the large parks. If I had to guess I’d say he’d be a solid 3 on most squads, living up to a 180-190 innings, with a 4ish ERA depending on the defense behind him.
Keep in mind that Teheran’s best skill is bunting.
I hear he is a decent salsa dancer as well. That should be enough to get a decent bat.
Every time I turned on a Braves game that he was pitching, the announcers – Braves or opposition – raved about his stuff. At times he throws hard, and at times his ball does move around….unfortunately, often out of the strike zone.
He reminds me of a cross between Roberto Hernandez / aka Fausto Carmona and Edwin Jackson. Those 2 guys pitched for a zillion teams in the majors for years. They had good stuff, and went on streaks where it looked like they’d found themselves. Pitching coaches thought they could get them to pitch constantly, but the clock inevitably struck 12. They managed to stay relatively healthy, and had nice careers primarily eating up innings.
Teheran seems to be on that path. Because of dilution of pitchers due to over expansion, counting pitches, using statistics to over manage matchups, using 6-9 pitchers in most games, and constant movements of pitchers between the majors and high minors each week, I expect Teheran will continue to start for a few more years if he avoids arm troubles. As his stuff becomes more inconstant he’ll move to the bullpen where he only has to throw 2 pitches, and if he doesn’t have it that day, the manager can get him out after a batter or two.
He’ll never amount to much for any period of time. He’ll bounce around to a lot of teams. He’s already a rich young man, and will be absolutely wealthy when he retires.
I mean….look at Zach Duke. The guy made $3.6mm last year.
The Angels could do worse. If Atlanta is motivated to move him, I’d be ok with the Angels landing him.
I have thought as desperate the angels are for pitching and to compete while trout is there. A package centered around Tehran and gohara for Adell. With the long term goal of pairing Acuna and Adell together for a long time. And the Angels would get 2 MLB starters
Wake up Ruiz. That’s a pipe dream. They aren’t taking your junk and giving you Adell. Gohara and Adell aren’t even close in value. Teheran does nothing to move any needle. If you said soroka you’d be a whole lot closer.
Julio Teheran for Justin Upton
As a Mets fan, I appreciated how tough he could be on any given start.
The problem with Teheran is when he’s in, he’s really good, but when he’s not, he’s really bad. there’s really no middle ground with him
Exactly. You never know which one you’re going to get on a given day either.
I think it’s because he has to survive on pin point control hitting the edges constantly with that batting practice fastball. That’s why he gives up so many homers because if he makes the slightest mistake the ball is gone. If he isn’t consistent he gets hammered. He did have the second lowest BA against in the NL though.
I think the only teams interested would be those who are competitive, but wont win their division. Giants, Angel’s and Pirates would be good fits.
I wouldn’t take him on the Reds, and that should tell you something.
His numbers away from SuTrust were not to bad
trade him to the reds! we need a good arm. maybe we can get him to commit to 2 more years
Teheran pitching in that park would be a disaster.
I was thinking that. I’ve always liked Teherán
I think we’re maybe on a Sonny Gray deal….just my thought. Johnson was his college pitching coach.
when did run prevention become secondary. look at guys like Bronson or Dallas.
I like that Santana idea.
They really need to fix those roads out there in the DR. Absolutely terrible. Rest In Peace! Prayers for the family of this young man who lost his life and the others involved in the accident.
They cant afford to.
Roads are paved… kids never had a bicycle in their lives all the soon they have lost of money and drive they lives and their cars like it’s not limits.. yes I’m Dominican my self.
It’s a 3rd World Country! Maybe you should take a few weeks off & go pave the roads! WTF Dude!
3rd world countries suddenly incapable of trying to get better and fix things like roads?
You’re an idiot, bringoutthegimp!
Have you been to the DR? Genius!
“Have you been to the DR” if you have was it in a relief effort or was it to stay at a resort?
The Dominican Republic is one of the fastest-growing economies in the world, and is the most popular tourist destination in Central America/the Caribbean. Because of the rapid growth and expansion of wealth, there has been a massive influx of people driving on roads that were designed for much less traffic; you see this in America in small towns that begin growing rapidly (college towns, mostly) or in places that are limited by geography from creating suburbs (places like NYC in the early part of last century or Seattle). The DR is obviously limited geographically from expanding physically (being surrounded by an ocean on three sides and another sovereign country on the fourth). The government, which is modeled after the US Government, has been trying to fix infrastructure but is handcuffed by a very low tax rate and the rapid expansion of the economy and its attendant issues – more cars, more people traveling for work, etc.
The biggest issue with such a rapidly growing economy is that the country has a substandard power grid and power outages are pretty common. Hard to fix the roads when you can’t keep the lights on. But the DR isn’t quite as desperate as people might have you believe – it’s not Haiti (its neighbor), for example. It’s the largest economy in its region, is rapidly growing, and the unfortunate ancillary effects of that are happening w/r/t the infrastructure.
Actually, it might be a good fit for the Reds. It proves to me that he can still have a decent ERA even with all the homeruns given up. At least it doesn’t appear like the long ball shakes his confidence too much.
Nick has drove in 258 runs in 3 years
Which tells us very little about how well he hit, and more about where he was positioned in the lineup.
1. Teheran for Santana
2. Soroka, Riley, Contreras & Demeritte for Realmuto
3. Allard for Greinke plus $$$$
4. Sign Robertson
5. Sign Soria
6. Sign Josh Harrison
don’t trade Austin Riley
Agreed
Don’t trade Riley trade Pache if we go after Realmuto
Then you woke up
Least he’s adding to the discussion. Youre contributing nothing.
Also Warren over soria.
What are you the comment section monitor?
Everyone down voting this guy because you don’t like the talent he is trading out for Realmuto? At least he has the right idea how much it will take to get Realmuto. Think the Marlins won’t get that kind of package for JTR? I think they will.
*He’s the best catcher in baseball.
*He’s young.
*You get him for two years.
*His contract is team friendly.
*There are a LOT of teams to help drive up the cost.
Players like Realmuto aren’t an option very often. He is a significant prize.
It’s an overpay that’s why. Realmuto would be a Brave already if they were content on giving up Soroka and Riley. 2 years isn’t that long. The Braves would have to be close to winning a ring or get him to sign an extension for that trade to be justified. Props to the teams that are willing to pay that, but if that’s truly the Marlins asking price the Braves should move on.
Let some other team overpay or better let the Marlin’s keep a Cather who doesn’t want to be on their team
Age 28 on opening day next year is not really that young. Not in catcher years. How many have we seen recently that just utterly hit a wall around 30? Plenty.
There will be plenty of veteran catchers available on a short term deal for cheap that the Braves simply should not get in the Realmuto sweepstakes, even if you do think he is as valuable as people are making him out to be.
Get a catcher that can platoon with Flowers like Suzuki did and be done with it. I would even be happy bringing back Suzuki on a lesser deal rather than using up talent on a slight upgrade. And before you say he is more than slight, please tell me how well those young Miami pitchers are fairing with Realmuto. The Braves have young arms everywhere and they don’t just need a solid defensive catcher, but one that can help the pitchers continue to improve. Realmuto simply has not shown that.
I’d rather trade Allard, Riley, Pache, and Demeritte for Realmuto. That’s the Braves 5, 6, and 7 best prospects according to minorleagueball.com and somewhere in the top 10 for just about every site. Rather not give up on Soroka since he is likely to be an ace and they need him if they trade away Teheran. I really like Contreras even though he is a catcher and they are trading for a catcher. But good hitting catchers are in big demand nowadays, not outfielders even though Pache may have a big future. But who knows right ?
How about Teheran ( with his $11 mil salary) and Allard for Greinke + $30 million ? That would bring Greinke’s salary down to around $21 mil per season for 3 years. Teheran would take Greinke’s place in the rotation and it would be like Arizona paying $10 million per year for Allard. $21 million seems reasonable for a pitcher of Greinke’s status.
I’ll play the Marlins in that trade… No. Allard will not move the needle in this discussion. I would like Riley and Pache but I need Anderson or Wright to round it out. No one on the planet cares about Demeritte as a prospect.
Huge overpay Soroka,Riley,and Contreras?
I like the Santana trade also seems like a win win
MIL can do a lot better than Teheran. He is a flyball pitcher, and in MIL and that small stadium would equal a lot of HRs. MIL consistently competes and Teheran’s inconsistencies will drive a playoff bound team crazy. I still think he would be best in the AL in front of a good defense with decent dimensions and an opportunity: KC.
Teheran would be great in Los Angeles or San Francisco.
While KC would be a great place for him to build value, KC has absolutely no reason to trade for him and give up anything for a guy who will not help them win.
If the Astros lose both Keuchle and Morton they may swing a trade so they can have some one who will eat up 170+ innings. Also the Rangers need someone to eat up innings.
Astros have a ton of pitching even if they lose those 2. Whitley, McHugh, peacock, james could all warrant a look…valdez, bukauskas also options.
And I’m sure they could splash into the FA Market as well. I’m sure a guy like Eovaldi would be contacted
Plus, a guy like Teheran is too inconsistent for a team like the astros. I wouldn’t trust him in a playoff series.
I want NO PART of The Braves bringing back Markakis! In his last 524 at-bats in 2018, Markakis ONLY hit 7 homers (from May 9th on)…and NONE in his last 177 at-bats (NONE in the playoffs…only one single in 14 at-bats)…ALL while hitting ‘cleanup’!
It drove me CRAZY seeing Snitker keeping Markakis in the cleanup spot ALL YEAR LONG! Dude was NO THREAT to hit homers/drive the ball from May 9th on!
I would LOVE to see The Braves KEEP our PLETHORA of young, CHEAP, potentially high upside Starting Pitching Prospects…..and build BOTH our rotation AND bullpen FROM WITHING……while using our payroll flexibility to go after Free Agents like Bryce Harper.
In 2018, The Braves PAID $22 mil to Adrian Gonzalez, AND $16 mil to Scott Kazmir…a total of $38 mil to two players who DID NOT PLAY for Atlanta at all in 2018. That’s $38 mil total for NOTHING! With the added revenues that Sun Trust Field AND the surrounding Battery Properties….The Braves can MORE THAN AFFORD to make an 8-10 year offer to Bryce Harper that averages $30-$35 mil a year (with opt outs after years 3-4).
Bryce Harper is 26 years old. If he performs good enough to during the 1st three years of the contract to want to opt out (when he’s 29-30 years old)….I would be TOTALLY OK with that (The Braves would have time to draft/develop some replacements).
In 3 years, I could EASILY visualize a young, cheap Starting Rotation of Mike Soroka, Touki Tousiant, Kyle Wright, Ian Anderson and either Kyle Muller/Joey Wentz/Tristian Beck. The Braves should INVEST going after MIDDLE OF THE ORDER POWER NOW (Ronald Acuana, Ozzie Albies, Dansby Swanson and Johan Camargo are HELLA CHEAP the next few years….while Ender Inciarte and Freddie Freeman are one BARGAIN CONTRACTS the next 3 years. Mike Folty and Sean Newcomb should be traded when arbitration starts to price them out/when they are 2-3 years from Free Agency…..1. making room for our young/cheap/high upside pitching prospects WHILE giving The Braves some return to either restock The Farm System OR fill positions of need in the bullpen/bench. If Christian Pache becomes ready in the next 2 years…Inciarte becomes expendable).
Stay away from late 20’s/early 30’s PRICEY starting pitchers (whether via Free Agency OR the trade market)…..and KEEP our pitching prospects (so what if some of them dont pan out?).
You always know the post is going to be an adventure when every other word is written in caps
Ha, yes. Or when it’s longer than the original scroll from Keroauc’s “On The Road”.
That’s the infamous paul lentz who was a constant troll on the AJC blog. I believe he finally got banned several years ago. He’s a nut case.
He’s an idiot no doubt
what is with the caps dude, besides your post being
overly and excessively long, the unnecessary and needless
use of caps throughout your post makes this post unreadable.
and where the author had a chance to show his intelligence and
knowledge of the braves, he in fact did the exact opposite and
showed himself to be an ignorant attention seeker
He’s not worth paying attention to whatsoever, and a complete nutcase. He threw himself into a hissy fit on Twitter because he didn’t like someone’s opinion of how the Braves should approach the offseason and managed to find a way to get his account banned in the process because of his sheer nuttery.
Hah. Nice. He’s a infamous troll in Braves’ social media circles.
this post may have had a lot of interesting points in it but i did not read much after the first couple sentences with the caps all over the place.
Ah, “PLETHORA”
lol
Howard Cosell used it one time on a ‘Monday Night Football’ game. Almost immediately it became a buzzword for sports announcers, players, and fans with a limited vocabulary that wanted to cultivate an “I’m really smart” persona. Sounds much more impressive then saying, “A LOT”. The word hung around until it was replaced by “TONS”. When one wishes to appear both hip and yet of the people – “LIKE TONS”.
Another word in popular lexicon is “REITERATE”. Much more hip, urbane, cosmopolitan, and erudite then to say, ” I REPEAT” or “TO REPEAT”. To proclaim “TO REITERATE” puts one on equal footing with Moses coming down the mountain with the tablets, Whew! But alas, that can be too formal for today’s hip, breezy culture. I’m sure there’s a ‘LIKE TONS” equivalent for “TO REITERATE”. but not being tone deaf, I can’t listen to rap music long enough to find it (shout out to Keith Richards).
Mysteries of life as civilization progresses. Anyway, “HAVE A NICE DAY'”….or is it “HAVE A GOOD ONE”?
What are you
Jefe, would you say I have a plethora of piñatas?
A what?
A plethora
Oh yes, El Guapo. You have a plethora
… Except that I don’t see the Braves getting Harper when half the league is going to be after him with most teams having deeper pockets. Braves cannot get into a bidding war which is why they tend to avoid big free agents.
Markakis isn’t that bad, he just maybe isn’t a middle of the lineup guy. Harper would be a big improvement for the Braves. Ian Anderson is too old these days to do the kind of exuberant vocals and flute solos he was known for in his prime.
Soroka, Gohara will always be on the DL. Dump them before other teams figure it out. Suzuki and Flowers combined equal Realmuto. Bring Zuk back. Grab Corbin or Kluber. Albies, Camargo, Freeman, Acuna, Inciarte, Suzuki, Riley, Duvall, w/Matt Adam’s, Charlie, Dansby and Flowers on the bench will be contending.
You do realize that before this season Soroka never experienced any injury issues right?
Last time I checked, Markakis WAR was solidly ahead of Harper in 2018. Why would you want to pay Harper that much? Sure, the upside might still be off the charts, but to a lesser extent the Braves tried that with a flawed OF named B.J. Upton a while back and it blew up badly.
Then again, I can tell you are a big numbers guy and you don’t understand what a player brings to a team. The young guys gravitated and were led by Markakis. Markakis is also a selective hitter that helps other hitters by running up pitch counts and getting better looks. He also doesn’t make blunders on the bases or in the field. He plays almost every day, whereas Harper can’t stay on the field. Quite frankly, he is one of the more underrated players of his generation just because he doesn’t bash 40 homers.
All that being said, the Braves will certainly look for an upgrade there, but your immense hatred of the guy is absurd. If the Braves don’t bring him back or bring in someone else, I would guess about this time next year when you see Duvall at about .300 AB’s, you will be begging for the Braves to bring in Markakis.
Teheran really is not a bad pitcher
He got it in his head he couldn’t pitch at SunTrust and really just unraveled from there
He will be a solid add for someone willing to pay his contract
I don’t expect the Braves to get anything much other than salary relief and I’m sure that’s be enough of an offer to acquire him
Precisely! Salary relief to add to the payroll flexibility for 2019 to address the lack of middle of the order power via Free Agency!
He won’t exactly be a “solid” add overall, unfortunately. He’ll be useful for eating a rotation slot, but as a whole he’s been declining over the past few years. And even away from SunTrust, his numbers weren’t that great, with his walk and strikeout rates being pretty concerning overall. It’s worth a team to acquire him to add a rotation slot, but saying he’s “solid” is no longer the case.
Have you seen some of the other pitchers out there pitching for teams?
He’d be a solid add for a lot of people especially considering his contract is relatively affordable
It’s still unclear the direction the dbacks are going but I wouldnt mind the Braves taking a swing at Steven Souza. Could offer a couple pitching prospects to a team that needs young pitching
How about Peralta instead
Dislike the Santana comments
Prefer Renfroe right now if you want to role the dice
Also, Teheran will no doubt be traded to a team like Kansas City or Oakland (while The Braves may not get much in return…they WILL NOT have to eat any of Teheran’s contract).
Teheran is only owed $11 mil in 2019….with a $12 mil team option in 2020 (0r a $1 mil buyout). There are BUMS who’ll get MUCH MORE via Free Agency. Teheran stays healthy and is durable. He’ll do well in a pitcher’s park like KC or Oakland. In The AL East, Teheran would be pitching in the weakest division in MLB.
The most important part for The Braves..is to rid their 2019 payroll of the $11 mil owed to Teheran.
If The Braves are successful in trading Teheran WITHOUT eating any of his contract (just taking back a couple of ‘bag of balls’ type prospects would be fine with me)……the following 2018 salaries would be coming off The Braves Payroll:
1. Adrian Gonzalez……$22 mil
2. Scott Kazmir……..$16 mil
3. Brandon McCarthy….$10 mil
4, Nick Markakis…….$10.5 mil
5. Julio Teheran……$11 mil (he made $8 mil in 2018, however is owed $11 mil in 2019).
That’s a total of $69.5 mil……$38 mil of which went to 2 players (Gonzalez and Kazmir) who DID NOT play for The Braves AT ALL in 2018……$10 mil of which went to one player (McCarthy) who didnt pitch after May 2018)……$10.5 mil of which went to a cleanup hitter who DID NOT hit a homer in his last 177 at-bats in 2018 (Markakis)…..and $11 mil owed to a pitcher (Teheran) who WILL NOT make our 2019 Starting Rotation!
With that $69.5 mil…The Braves could sign BOTH Bryce Harper AND Manny Machado to EACH $35 mil a year deals! Imagine BOTH Harper AND Machado in The Braves linup!
Oh my now we’ve got both Harper and Machado
I thought the adventure was over but quite the plot twist
Ok for sake of argument, you do make a valid point about clearing salary space moving Julio. Moving his 11mil drops us to committed payroll of 68mil ish, non tender Duval and we’re down around 65 mil. I figure between what’s committed to Freddie and Ender and the arb guys we’ll be sitting around 60-62 mil to start 2020. The Braves haven’t been big spenders since Turner was owner, and now the team runs independent of ownership, setting their own increases/payroll limitations. They still have a heavy tax debt/ ballpark cost debt as well.
Could we afford one of Harper or Machado, probably- but not both. Especially if you plan to fill other holes. Sure we can trade, but whoever we trade for still has to be paid as well. Again I agree with you to a point, but I don’t see the Braves jumping up to a 150mil payroll anytime soon, which is probably where we would have to be to get both. For the record I want no part of Machado, I didn’t care for the way he played at all in the playoffs attitude wise.
Largest free agent contract (BJ Upton) and extension (Freeman) were both signed under Frank Wren, whom also had the highest budget, for which they missed the playoffs. They have had money to spend, they have just done it very very unwisely and it’s has taken years to get out from under them.
Teheran, Joey Wentz, & Izzy Wilson for Will Myers.
Teheran offsets his future salary 4/63 with his 11 million in 2019 vs Myers 3 million.
Might be a compromise for the padres to move on from Myers, & thier crowded OF.
I’d rather they release Teheran and continue to watch from afar Myers try to play every position Hosmer won’t, because he makes much less money and needs to prove Preller right. It’s more fun that way. Plus we get to keep Wentz.
Are you absolutely crazy??? SD would GLADLY swap Myers 1 for 1 with Atlanta for Teheran. The salary difference is ridiculous.
Teheran is only under contract for 2019 at slightly over $11 million with a team option for 2020 for $12 million ($1 mil buyout). So less than $24 million for 2 years.
Myers on the other hand is owed $73 million (according to spotrac) over the next 4 years NOT counting a $20 million option for 2023).
The Padres would have to include prospects going to Atlanta NOT the other way around.
Myers has a large back loaded contract, no way I would want to give that much for him. Maybe for Renfroe and Hedges.
How does that math work for you. Myers is only owed 3 mil tomorrow so obviously teheran’s 11 offsets the other 52 million he is owed in the future. Did you even think about what you said before you typed it? That makes no sense buddy.
You are not including the signing bonus that Myers has prorated in his contract nor the total amount owed. Maybe you need to look at the numbers more in depth.
spotrac.com/mlb/san-diego-padres/wil-myers-11711/
You wouldn’t just owe Myers for 2019 but the whole rest of the contract. Myers showed a lot of promise at one point, but unfortunately no one thinks he is worth his current contract now.
Trade Austin Riley to the Angels.
Make a deal with the Tanks Teheran for Romine and a mid level minor leaguer.
I don’t wanna deal with the Tanks
So many Braves fans ready to get rid of Teheran. Let’s really think about what we loose when he goes.
Durability: Has not failed to pitch less than 175 IP or start less than 30 games since 2013. This is a really big deal. The man does not get injured and yet still turns in league or better performances every year. Complain about his peripherals if you want but he outperforms them EVERY year. This should tell us that Teheran is one of the rare exceptions to metrics. This is no joke. Take a look at baseball reference and he outperforms then all the way back to 2013.
I know Teheran is not a pitcher with sexy, electric stuff like Sale or DeGrom. But a pitcher that gives you at least league average performances every year and sokes up that many innings has a lot of value.
The Braves had several injured pitchers this year. Think about how many pitchers we had to use, the ones that got injured and the ones that didn’t that got pounded there first year at the major league level.
I don’t know that we can so easily replace that.
And yet almost every pitcher making a spot start had a great performance, with the exception of Allard. I would argue is it even more imperative for him not taking a spot to figure out what we have in Bryse Wilson, Touki, Gohara (when healthy), Soroka (when healthy), Kyle Wright and Max Fried who they went back and forth with him in the pen and rotation. When you consider what we got from Anibal Sanchez, whom we got for nothing, I think you are overvaluing our loyalty to Teheran and the low ceiling he provides. (And this coming from the guy that traveled to PHI watch his MLB debut).
No, this is not about being loyal. This is being practical. As a 4 or 5 starter, he would be really good.
So yes, Gohora injured, Soroka injured, Max Fried you MENT to say injured. Not because he was injured this year but recently went through TJ. Annibal Sanchez pitched just 136 innings. That’s just the injuries. In addition to that, Wison got bombed..Allard got REALLY bombed.
I know these are young kids. They have real talent and could be good or great pitchers but I don’t know that it’s time to trade away our sterdiest pitcher yet. If the right trade comes along than fine but Teheran does have real value.
He has had the chance to be a 4-5 starter last year and didn’t even make a playoff start. Now he has a reasonable amount of money left but more importantly, would be taking starts away from someone with a brighter future. If we didn’t make the playoffs and were still in waiting mode to contend, you’re right. But he is now an expensive placeholder for much better pitchers. Low floors and low ceilings isn’t enough especially when you are talking about a #4 or #5. Let’s move on and give starts to someone that can doesn’t go through long funks.
Teheran certainly has value no doubt
But now is not the time to have him clogging up a rotation slot
Are Folty Newcomb and Gausman not sterdy enough for you?
Even if they don’t add a frontline starter we are talking about two spots when there’s like seven realistic options who are all ready and can fill them
They need to pitch at some point and taking a conservative approach with Teheran stunting their possibility in the process is the wrong way to go
The only way one of those two slots should get filled is with a significant impact starter not an innings eater with a low ceiling and mediocre production
Teheran is a great snag for teams that don’t have this much young talent that’s ready to hit the big leagues but for the Braves he has no business taking a spot anymore
I see him as a better Jair Jurrjens. He had a great arm, but his velocity has declined and he’s had to nibble to stay in games. That approach can work against free swingers, but not so much against patient hitters. He doesn’t have good enough command to get by with the stuff he has now IF you’re counting on him for 30 starts/180+ innings.
Great clubhouse guy, from all accounts, who’s already starting a decline though he’s pretty young.
Maybe in a bigger ballpark he’d do better.
It’s lose for christ’s sake. LOSE!
Maybe he meant if they cut him loose? Probably not, but still. Ha
Agreed
Soroka & Riley were the 2 main guys the Marlins wanted in a package at the deadline. I didn’t just pick them out of thin air. You are talking bout the best catcher in baseball becoming available to teams in his prime at a reasonable contract signed for more than 1 season you don’t think a division team will have to overpay to get him ????
Also yes aquiring Greinke at that price would essentially be like signing Kershaw only thing is Kershaw is not available and Greinke is
I would much rather have Kluber but he will cost a ton of prospects where Greinke costs money and for 3 years it doesn’t kill us long term especially with the young guys coming up making peanuts. Again aces don’t become available everyday and this is the season we need one and to me it’s the best match up
I like the Warren idea I read earlier and also if Renfroe were available for Teheran I would like that deal better I just don’t see San Diego moving him. I think they would be more open to moving Myers. But his health concerns bother me. He never seems healthy.
In 2 years Myers is set to make over 20m a season. SD will have to entice someone just to take him.
Teheran and a few prospects to SD for Renfroe and Hedges seems to be a good trade for both. It fills 2 holes for us, and gives them a veteran starter that doesn’t cost a fortune, and is comparable to the free agent market. Renfroe is a slugging OF from Mississippi and a big Chipper fan. Hedges is smart and a good defensive catcher with some pop in his bat as well, and wont cost the farm like Realmuto.
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What does anybody think it would take to get Buxton from Minnesota ???? I feel he could be a buy low candidate that could hit down in the lineup and make the OF defense that much better. Maybe a change of scenery kind of guy maybe even a 4th OF/ bench guy if Markakis does come back.
You’re still gonna have to give up some interesting talent to acquire Buxton. Doesn’t seem like an efficient use of resources.
I’d like the outfielder we get to have a little more power to be honest
Plus I don’t think they’d sell low so we’d be paying fair price for his potential if he’s moved
Anybody think Stroman is available and if so at what cost ???? I see most people shoot down my ideas on who to go after but never contribute ideas themselves just shoot others down. I would like to see opinions on who to go after not why it would never happen all the time. That gets old the way people on here talk like they are so much smarter than everybody else. Yet they never put a proposal to their name to prove it.
I like to see Brave fans have opinions on who they want to see them get and what they feel it would cost without being ridiculed by people who feel they are smarter than everybody else. I been on this site for over 10 years and I have never seen 1 person get 1 trade before it happened
Ya Stroman’s interesting if only because AA drafted him and he’s familiar with the player. But it would be some big time talent coming to Toronto to make that happen.
I like Stroman. He should be a buy low candidate, but Tor. Doesn’t want to deal him now because of it. He doesn’t have an ace record, a lot like another Teheran to me. I think they will want an overpay to get him.
Teheran will be gone…hopefully. Newcomb needs to go elsewhere. The Braves need to trade for CK, as i believe the rotation is the biggest weakness of the team. No need to waste money on Kimbrel. Wouldn’t surprise me if Inciarte and Swanson are both traded.
You must live in one of those states that weed is legal
Trade Swanson, Allard, Wright and Demeritte for JT Realmuto
Trade Newcomb, Waters, Ian Anderson and Gohara for Degrom
Sign Cutch/Pollock for 2year 44 mil (3rd team option)
Sign Kimbrel 4/80 mil.
Octavvio 3/24 mil
Inciarte
Acuna
Freeman
Cutch/Pollock
Realmuto
Riley
Camargo
Ozzie
Culberson as SU and Duvall/Duda bench bats.
Degrom
Folty
Gausman
Soroka
Touki
Kimbrel
Octavvio
Venters
O’Day
This team wins WS within years. Still has Pache and a ton of pitchers still coming. We can afford this and our roster has zero holes. What say you…?
Octavio Dotel getting $24,000,000 guaranteed? The man hasn’t pitched in years.
Might just work on MLB The Show!
Ha….no
Some good thoughts in there, but you just nuked the chemistry of the team. If history has shown us one thing, when a group of young guys come up together and you start going all merc on them by trading some out for vets, the chemistry blows up big time. Chemistry might be overrated, but how many teams that brought in all sorts of outside players have won a WS recently?
Houston brought in a couple of pieces, but most were not trades. Verlander was, but it was for prospects, not current pieces.
Boston. Again. They traded no current pieces.
Cubs. Ditto.
San Fran. Ditto.
KC. Same story.
The story goes on and on. Like I said though, I like the move values on some of these, but I just don’t think its needed and may backfire and put you back a half dozen years.
The Braves don’t need huge off-season splashes at the cost of their depth. Small adjustments/depth moves, followed up by a trade deadline move as needed and done.
Teheran may pitch a no-hitter one day, the rest of the time he’s more likely to walk the bases loaded. Don’t really know if the Braves would get much in return, but a team that needs innings might bite.
I like Stroman. He should be a buy low candidate, but Tor. Doesn’t want to deal him now because of it. He doesn’t have an ace record, a lot like another Teheran to me. I think they will want an overpay to get him.
Let some other team overpay or better let the Marlin’s keep a Catcher who doesn’t want to be on their team