The Nationals have officially swung a deal with the Indians to bring in catcher Yan Gomes. Outfielder Daniel Johnson, righty Jefry Rodriguez, and a player to be named later will go to Cleveland in the swap.
With this swap in the books, the Nats have done all their work behind the dish at the very outset of the offseason. The organization already brought back old friend Kurt Suzuki, who’ll presumably share time with Gomes. The former is earning $10MM over two years, while the latter will take home a $7MM salary in 2019 before a pair of club options ($9MM and $11MM, each with $1MM buyouts).
The Gomes contract initially looked to be a coup for the Indians club, then took on a sour note as his offensive numbers plummeted. Last year, though, the 31-year-old bounced back with a strong campaign in which he slashed .266/.313/.449 and hit 16 long balls over 435 plate appearances.
It’s fair to wonder what to expect moving forward. Gomes has good power for a catcher, but doesn’t typically draw many walks. Accordingly, his OBP has bounced up and down with his batting average on balls in play. Gomes did turn in a personal-best 38.7% hard-hit rate (by measure of Statcast) along with a .322 xwOBA that nearly matched his .326 wOBA in 2018, but odds are the Nats have tempered expectations on the offensive side.
Even if he falls back somewhat with the bat, though, Gomes is also regarded as a high-quality defender. Baseball Prospectus has generally graded him as a strong positive in all the measurable areas — framing, throwing, blocking. That presents an opposing skillset from that currently possessed by Suzuki, who has turned himself into an excellent hitter but doesn’t defend with such aplomb. Presumably, the Nats will utilize both according to need, while hoping the timeshare keeps them fresh, though obviously in-game situational substitutions won’t really be possible unless the club somehow finagles a way to carry a third catcher.
Regardless of how one looks at it, the two players combine to make a strong upgrade behind the dish for the Nats, who had relied upon Matt Wieters, Pedro Severino, and Spencer Kieboom over the past two seasons. The latter two players remain in the organization, though it stands to reason that one (likely the out-of-options Severino) will be jettisoned at some point, particularly with Raudy Read also taking a 40-man spot.
The Indians surely would have a stronger roster with Gomes on it. But they’re also willing to roll the dice a bit. The need for some budgetary flexibility is obviously a big part of the picture, but the organization obviously also believes in some rising players. In this case, Roberto Perez will presumptively take the bulk of the action behind the dish, with newcomer Eric Haase joining him after spending the past three seasons in the upper minors — where he has shown plenty of power but also a questionable on-base profile.
Certainly, the prospect return is a factor here as well. Johnson, a fifth-round pick in 2016, has an intriguing blend of power and speed, making him a top-ten organizational prospect for the Nats. The 23-year-old most recently scuffled a bit at Double-A and struggled badly in the Arizona Fall League, making for a disappointing 2018 after a strong first full season as a professional. He’s likely a year or two away and may never be more than a reserve in the majors, but the consensus seems to be that there are tools to work with.
As for Rodriguez, the hard-throwing 25-year-old reached the majors last year, bringing control problems with him. It’s hard to judge too harshly, though, as he was also in his first season pitching past the High-A level. Rodriguez has worked almost entirely as a starter during his time in the farm, so he could be sent back down to keep refining. But it’s also possible the Indians will move him into a relief role, potentially of a multi-inning variety, and plan on utilizing him in the majors in the near future.
Veteran reporter Bill Madden suggested on Twitter that a deal was in the works, with Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic among others reporting (Twitter link) that the sides were in “serious discussions.” Jon Heyman of Fancred (via Twitter) and Paul Hoynes of the Plain Dealer (in a tweet) had the return.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
Wahoo What a Finish!
Not sure this makes sense on either end. For the Nats you acquire an aging Catcher while your team is set to take a significant step back after losing Byrce Harper. And for the Indians you leave yourself with Roberto Perez who might have the worst bat of any major league catcher. Strange.
baseballpun
Without knowing what the Indians are getting back, I don’t think you can judge. Plus they could still add a catcher. As for the Nats, having two quality catching options and replacing Harper with Robles might not represent a significant step back.
Mattimeo09
Indians got an outfielder prospect coming off a down year, a young pitcher with a MLB ERA over 5, and a PTBNL.
This makes absolutely no sense for Cleveland unless they plan on signing a better catcher than Gomes which seems unlikely.
This was an unnecessary trade.
baseballpun
Agreed. Makes sense for the Nats though.
MBDaGod
Jefry has potential. Really wicked curveball and a live fastball. If he can tune in his control he could be a really good major league piece. Not saying its gonna happen but the potential is there.
Bruce Humbert
Financial flexibility is the driver of this move. Gomes at $7M was not a good fit for Indians
whuron
He’s only 30 and isn’t going to be expected to catch 140 games. 3-4 games a week splitting time with Suzuki makes sense. The combo of Suzuki and Gomes would have ranked the Nats 4th in OPS at catcher last season. They can’t wait on Harper and not do anything. The Nats are being proactive and getting who they want. These moves don’t preclude them from re-signing Harper at all.
LH
And they save money relative to signing somebody such as grandal.
Samuel
The Nationals are restructuring their team on the fly.
Gomes is a superior game caller and handler of pitchers. His defense is good, and hitting OK. Most importantly he’s a disciplined high IQ player and great teammate. He runs a game, sets the pace and tone.
It appears from a distance that Rizzo wants Harper gone, but ownership doesn’t. The Nationals are better off not catering to him. Turn the page. Use the money for a quality #3 starter and some relief help. Continue to promote and play team-oriented youngsters and merge them with responsible veterans. Six years of wet nursing a kid is enough.
Knowthemarket
I don’t think Harper was the problem. Just look at the club house atmosphere this year.
Shawn Kelly has a fit on the mound. If that wasn’t bad enough, their reaction was terrible. Sherzer and Doolittle confront him and almost get into an altercation. Then Rizzo confronts him and HE almost gets into an altercation. Then, after Kelly apologizes publicly, he still gets traded which seems like it was done in resentment.
This was all done without Harper even being involved. In fact, can you think of a single time this year Harpers name was brought up by the media tying him to something bad happening in that club house?
I think it’s more likely the Nationals culture is poisonous and that that was the model Harper had to go by. No excuse for his past. I just don’t think he was the way he was in a vacuum anymore.
Samuel
Been following the Nationals for years.
He gets, and expects, special treatment from ownership, the front office, management and coaches. Manager Matt Williams got himself in hot water for benching Harper after not running out a ground ball.
After 6 years Harper is still making fundamental errors. It sets a tone for the team.
You ever manage people? When told to give special treatment to an employee, the rest of the employees have no respect for the manager and the rules.
Get Harper off that team and lets see what the clubhouse looks like.
Knowthemarket
Your examples against mine I suppose. I didn’t like what I have seen out of Rizzo, Sherzer, Doolittle and Kelly all having nothing to do with Harper. The Nationals club house is poisonous.
And then there was the disaster of Papelbon. Even before he had his issue with Harper he was well known as venom to the club house but hey, the Nationals brought him on.
dugdog83
Oh yah the clubhouse will look great but they will be a losing team.
fje2192
Where are you seeing these reports that any of those almost altercations happened. I live in DC and saw none of that. Kelley showed up the manager and got the boot for it.
Solaris601
This would make sense for CLE if they hadn’t dealt Francisco Mejia to SD last season, but there is no way on God’s green earth that anyone (no matter how drunk) can spin Roberto Perez as a #1 catcher. His offensive stats were worse than some NL pitchers last year.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Roberto Perez aka the doppelganger of Russell Martin. Hes like a twin of him.
Rex Block
“Hold my beer.”
— M. Wieters
Samuel
The Indians via Francona developed Gomes and Perez.
Perez will be #1, and a few prospects will be worked with. Small budget teams have to develop their own players.
The Indians bent over backwards for Mejia. He simply is not a catcher. They tried him at other positions as his bat looked so good, but he couldn’t play them either. He makes a fine catcher on a fantasy league team where hitting stats are almost all that matters.
Let me put it this way – compared to Mejia, Gary Sanchez of the Yankees is Yadier Molina in his prime.
Polish Hammer
True true…
sportsnut969
none of the Nationals excite except Robles and your not getting him lol.
KJ Harrison 1B / C former 3rd rounder who should start the season at AA and is their #30 prospect currently.
the other prospect catcher are all banjo hitter nothings
Michael Taylor I don’t know he strikes out a crap load.
I can already tell I’m not going to like this.
wadlez
Gomes isn’t returning top prospects m8. You may have an inflated view of his value if you’ll be disappointed…
adshadbolt
They also have Logan ice former third rounder out of Oregon state who’s good behind the dish
fje2192
Carter Kieboom the number 10 overall prospect in the entire league according to fangraphs isnt exciting… Okay …lmao. You werent getting him or Garcia for Gomes obviously but stop being silly
Seamaholic
Not actually sure losing Harper will mean that big a step back, if at all. Robles is really good, and Harper was making big $$, money that can now be spent on something else, like Corbin or Keuchel. I bet they’re better in 2019 than 2018 (and of course they can still re-sign Bryce, too).
southbeachbully
@wahoo You’re way to caught up in age. He’s “only” 31, is coming off a good year, is not owed a prohibitive amount of money and if he sucks. they can just decline his option for 2020 and/or 2021. There’s little risk,
Also, the Nats are not packing up their bags and tanking just because Harper might not return. They’ll have Soto for a full season and perhaps Robles too. If they feel a need to look outside the organization then they can simply sign one of the many vet-corner OF bats on a 1 or 2 year deal.
Nats have way too much money on their books to NOT try to contend. Plus the East is relatively week, although there’s plenty of time this offseason to improve.
sufferforsnakes
Eric Haase is ready to go at catcher for Cleveland.
BalfourRage
Finally someone that knows why they’d make thismove. Can’t keep Haase much longer.
Mattimeo09
Hasse had a good year, but I wouldn’t expect him to replicate Gomes’ success.
He’ll probably hit better than Perez, but that’s not saying much.
Jonathan Oldham
Excited to see haase for a whole year
bestno5
I am also excited to see Haase. I like Yan but if we can turn is money into an OF then this could be good. Maybe a buy low candidate like Avisail García
indiansfan44
It will be fun to see what he can do. Has been pretty consistent hitting wise in the minors and threw out 49% of stolen base attempts last year too.
bucketbrew35
The Nats have an outfield of Soto, Robles, and Eaton. I’m a Phillies fan and even I think it would be foolish for the Nats to re-sign Harper at this point. They aren’t really taking that big of a step backwards. They are actually getting younger and avoiding a crippling payroll responsibility.
Erie4312
i hope nationals sign harper as a braves fan
He will be wayyyy overpaid
bagsmd
That you think the Nats would “take a significant step back after losing Bryce Harper” tells me that you aren’t very familiar with the rest of the Nationals roster.
Erie4312
who are you talking to
SoCalBrave
The Nationals will not miss Harper as much as any other team would, but I won’t go as far as others and say they’re better without him.
anealbead69
Michael Taylor going to Cleveland could make sense…?
Rbase
I’m guessing Kieboom + a middle reliever (Justin Miller) or a low level prospect for Gomes. I don’t see how Taylor fits on the Indians. They need outfielders that are able to bat in the top of their order, not a guy who has had 1 good year and 3 subpar years at the plate.
BTW: The article links to the wrong Michael Taylor
LH
Spencer?
Rbase
Yeah, spencer. But the entire family would do as well 🙂
justin-turner overdrive
BTW you were way wrong in your trade evaluation
Rbase
Yeah. I reality thought Gomes would bring back more, and that the Indians would at least get a catcher in return. Now it doesn’t really make sense to me as all the players the Indiians can afford and are available are all clear downgrades. It’s weird to see a contender basically dump their starting catcher for not a lot in return.
SirCheeto1
So Suzuki AND Gomes? Very odd.
Seamaholic
Yeah if I’m Kurt Suzuki I’m calling my agent to ask him what the Nats told him. Not sure he signed on to be a backup.
wadlez
He will be doing the same thing he’s been doing in ATL as a tandem with Flowers the last two years… and being paid well for it.
Ruben_Tomorrow 2
Nationals have been linked to Realmuto for nearly a year, and you don’t think Suzuki knew about that? Obviously, Gomes is not Realumuto, but it’s been out there the Nationals want to make a substantial upgrade to that position.
Jean Matrac
The likely probability of the Nats signing another catcher was noted at the time of the Suzuki signing. I have no doubt that Suzuki was not surprised, nor was he disappointed. He’ll be 35 next season, and hasn’t had 500+ ABs since 2014.
justin-turner overdrive
*wise – as if either one will play 120 games
wadlez
Catcher tandems are in now.. Makes sense.. Suzuki and Gomes get more rest.. as a tandem could be a top level pair.
Burgeezy
I wonder if this means a catcher may be part of the discussed return for Kluber?
baseballpun
Carson Kelly for Kluber straight up – get it done, Mo!
papa fraunch
Coming from a Cardinals fan, it’s going to take a LOT more than that.
baseballpun
It was a joke.
SoCalBrave
the Washington Nationals… where catcher’s careers go to die.
Soldierofgod619
Mejia doesnt look bad at catcher in the limited games for SD in the Majors. Hes swinging like a wildman tho. Can’t judge until we see the return but unsure of why the Indians moved gomes unless the Nats overpaid.
bestno5
They have a guy named Eric Haase in the minors who they like
Mario93
Everyone is saying the Nationals are done without Harper.. last time I checked Harper had a war of 1.3 last season. Who would give 300-400 million to a guy who just had a season totalling to a war of 1.3 … please. Nationals have very solid pitching, very solid young talent, and veteran players. Getting Suzuki and now maybe Yan Gomes is two great addition to a team that’s really getting slept on going into next season. Let me tell you something folks, Bryce Harper is overrated. You’d kill your own franchise if you paid him what he wanted. Show his overrated self the door and move on and continue winning. The financial flexibility it offers to the Nats by not signing Harper will go a long way for the franchise. Nationals are in a very solid place If you ask me.
Let's Play 2 2
Hey, I’m a Nats fan, but they do not have solid pitching – that’s why a front-line starter is their top priority.
Mario93
Don’t you guys have a legit starter in Sherzer?
wadlez
They really have no certainty after Max and Stras (and he is hurt often)… Roark has been a meh innings eater last two years and the rest of the options ain’t great….
Mario93
Oh yeah, totally forgot about Strausburgh. Lol. If he’s healthy next year, I think the rotation will be just fine. Sherzer, Strausburgh, and Tanner Roark, any team would be lucky to throw out a top 3 like that.
Erie4312
I know!!!! mario is right on with Bryce harper, who will get overpaid by alot
Coming from a braves fan who watches most of their games i want the nats to resign harper to like 10 year 400 mil
Erie4312
a 240 hitter getting 400 mil?
Samuel
So what…….
Recent stats graded him out as the 4th worst NL OF in 2018.
And he won The Home Run Derby!
Give the kid $500 mm.
Jean Matrac
Yeah let’s cherry pick his worst full season on which to judge. He had a down season, but teams are looking at his upside, which is very high, not what he did in one season out of 7. Whether he worth $3ooM-$400M is a legitimate question, but the answer to that is not defined by what he did in one sub-par season.
Erie4312
yeah tad but that was his most recent season
Dotnet22
So that’s how he’s going to play for the rest of his career? Terrible logic.
Papabueno
OK. That’s a fair statement. Let’s look at the last five seasons:
2014 = 1.1
2015 = 10.0
2016 = 1.5
2017 = 4.7
2018 = 1.3
Name another great player, who wants a mega deal, in the prime of their career, who has a WAR below 2.0 in three of the last five seasons.
I’m a Nats fan. Watch every game. He ain’t worth it, and the proposed contract would hurt any team’s ability to build a team around him.
anthonyd4412
Mario, that’s the best write up I’ve seen of Harper. As a Cub fan I’m so glad they don’t appear to be in the mix for him. Some team is going to do something very stupid.
Mario93
Appreciated my friend. People are fools as far as I’m concerned. Me personally I think Machado is twice the player Harper is, and I’d contemplate giving him his potential 300 million. Harper has been always overrated. Always. Someone is going to give an above outfielder, 300 plus million. Lol. Dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. But obviously there are plenty of dumb people in baseball and someone obviously will sign him.
bringoutthegimp
Take your Meds!
HalosHeavenJJ
Nationals got two solid offensive catcher for a total of $12 million in 2019, less than what Ramos or Grandal alone will cost, plus I doubt they gave up the type of prospects needed to get Realmuto.
Well done.
Phillies2017
I would imagine that it has something to do with how much money is changing hands. If the Tribe dumps the whole salary, I’m thinking either one middling prospect (#15-#25 org. range) or a pair of lottery tickets.
norcalguardiansfan
Yan Gomes at $7.0m is not a salary dump. He is worth a LOT more than a middling prospect.
norcalguardiansfan
Yan Gomes is not Yadi Molina, but he is a damn good catcher. The Indians’ front office has said in the past that they would continue to start him even if he didn’t hit at all. Pitchers love to pitch to him and he has often cut down more than 30% of base stealers…sometimes he’s been over 40%. He hasn’t won a gold glove, yet, but he has finished in the top three for several years. His bat cratered two years back, but he has become reasonable.
In terms of return….not sure. We need relief pitchers and outfielders. Maybe a good relief pitcher and an ok prospect like Matt Grace and Israel Pineda? Taylor doesn’t excite me, much. His fielding would be great, but he’s essentially a right handed platoon player. I guess we could pair him with Martin and move Allen to right. Grace and Taylor?
Mario93
Anybody who’s been a fan of baseball for awhile now understands the type of impact that two professional winning ball players in Suzuki and Gomez can do for a franchise. A good catcher, who can handle a pitching staff and hit a bit is vital for any team that has any serious ambitions towards contending. The Nats now will have two of them. It’s “small” moves like this that makes a team a contender. Winning ball players at that position is key.
weaselpuppy
Taylor plays top shelf CF defense and hes a coin flip as to whether you get 210 with 12 hr and 18 steals or 240 with 18 hr and 25 steals if you keave himout there for 550 PA…of which he will K 180 times, but no one cares about K anymore…right?
norcalguardiansfan
I guess we are getting Taylor. Meh. Hopefully we are getting more.
justin-turner overdrive
Daniel Johnson? The singer???
THATS ALL??? Cleveland got washedddd
Erie4312
there has to be more to it
imindless
Was hoping he was going to la with kluber guess not…
Dobie
If Kluber were being traded to Dodgers, it would have made sense for Gomes to also go.
Wondering if the contract extension being discussed with Carrasco could be due to Cookie being asked to move to the bullpen (Cody Allen’s spot). Carrasco has pitched out of the pen before and been very good.
If Carrasco does move to the bullpen, that would mean that neither Kluber or Bauer are being traded.
Burgeezy
Why would they move Carrasco to the bullpen? That makes little to no sense. He is a quality starter and could be the ace on many teams.
Dobie
letsgotribe.com/2018/7/21/17588670/moving-carlos-c… (article containing Carrasco’s stats from the bullpen)
Curious that it has been announced that Carrasco’s contract is being renegotiated — if he were to be moved to the pen the contract incentives would need to be changed from Cy Young incentives to saves.
Just interesting that a contract renegotiation with Carrasco happened on the same day that out of the blue Gomes is traded to the Nationals when it looked like Gomes and Kluber would be headed to LAD. (Dodgers seeming to insist that a trade include Puig–the dude who got suspended a game for making an obscene gesture to fans in the dugout seats at Progressive Field–seemed to end the Dodger-Indians trade talks suddenly).
Samuel
Why don’t your Dodgers move Kershaw to the bullpen?
P.S. It never remotely looked like Gomes and Kluber would be headed to LAD.
Burgeezy
Thanks for a link to a fan blog. He was decent in relief and was sent there prior to breaking out as a starter. His stint in the bullpen is when he adopted pitching out of the stretch which he continues to do and credits part of his success too. If they move anyone to the pen it will be Salazar and/or Anderson . They have Hand to replace Cody Allen.
hiflew
Daniel Johnson just had an OPS of .438 in the AFL. Yes, it is a small sample, but it’s .438 for an outfielder. That’s just horrid, especially for your starting catcher.
Jean Matrac
How can you cite the small sample, and then proceed to use a stat from that tiny sample as if it meant anything? Every player in baseball has bad numbers over a small sample. For example, Mike Trout, in the final 55 ABs, in 2011, his first season, had an OPS of .486. What anyone goes over 62 ABs tells you absolute zilch.
Fans put way too much stock into prospect rankings and minor league stats. Clearly the Indians have their own opinion of Johnson, as does every other MLB club, and it’s obvious they think more of him than the casual fan does. I have to believe, given the knowledge and accumulated data that the Indians have, versus the casual fan, I’ll think there must be something about Johnson worth trading Gomes for.
Brian Meyer
Youre not wrong, but you do have to admit that with a couple other teams competing for his services, that the deal seems underwhelming. If Gomes were a FA he probably would be looking at 3/30. There is high demand for someone who can play defense, manage a pitching staff, and hit above the Mendoza line.
Jean Matrac
Maybe it seems underwhelming, but no one knows if it is or not. Every team in MLB has an opinion on Daniel Johnson that has nothing to do with prospect rankings, No telling how this turns out, but it wouldn’t be the first trade that turned out better than it looked initially.
hiflew
Okay, if he turns into the next Mike Trout, then I’ll buy you a Coke. Until then, I am going to stick with my opinion.
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
I hope it’s more than just Johnson. Also either a Kyle Barraclough for the bullpen, or a Reid Schaller if the Indians are looking for prospects.
norcalguardiansfan
Geeze. If it is just Daniel Johnson, then I am VERY disappointed.
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
Agree. It has to be more considering 2/3 of teams are desperate for catchers. Hoping for a MLB ready bullpen piece or young SP prospect like Schaller. If it’s only Johnson, the Indians got flat out robbed.
The Human Toilet
Maybe Yankees should step in a get Gomes, maybe add Ellsbury, Frazier to the deal
sportsnut969
Well this deal looks like a salary dump if this trade happened last year at this time it would have looked better but Johnson was horrible in 2018 period in every area.
we will have to see he was a nice prospect prior to 2018.
I believe when a general manager makes this type of a deal he loses respect among his fellow Gm;s he may be working on other trade with.
Highly disappointed
The Ghost of Bobby Bonilla
Oh man. Just heard it is Johnson And Jefry Rodriguez. Holy cow, this is one of those “Dolan is Cheap”, flat out salary dumps. What are the Indians doing?
steelerbravenation
Pure salary dump
Does the Indians have a capable replacement to share time with Perez ?
sufferforsnakes
Eric Haase.
ReverieDays
He said capable.
justin-turner overdrive
Did Cleveland even bother to ask all other teams?
Jean Matrac
What a ridiculous question, rhetorical or not. Do you seriously think any MLB team would trade away an asset like Gomes, especially knowing multiple teams need a catcher, or want an upgrade, without finding out what is available in return? I mean, I realize that most fans think they’re smarter than baseball executives, but no one is that stupid.
justin-turner overdrive
Gomes surely could have gotten back a bigger package than this!
Brian Meyer
OH man. Really disappointed as a Tribe fan. His numbers arent sexy, but catchers arent supposed to be these days. If this deal is final, Nats should be grateful. Strasburg and Scherzer will love him. There is a reason he wasnt traded to an AL team and the Mets and Dodgers both wanted him. WTF MATE.
Polish Hammer
Just what the Tribe needed, another half-assed OF to go along with the others. And turn turn turn the catching duties over to Perez is inexcusable.
Frisco500
Gomes career OBP is under .300
Jean Matrac
His value is not as a hitter. Whatever he dies at the plate is gravy.
sufferforsnakes
Sure hope the PTBNL turns out like Brantley did in the Sabathia trade with Milwaukee.
Polish Hammer
Highly doubtful. Probably not named yet due to being a recent draft pick.
sufferforsnakes
Hey, ya never know.
Burgeezy
The PTBNL in that trade was always supposed to be a quality prospect, not a throw in. From what I remember they were given a list of players to choose from after further evaluation. The list included Brantley, Mat Gamel, Lorenzo Cain, and Jonathan Lucroy. Not exactly a bunch of nobodies.
indiansfan44
Yeah no that wasn’t how that worked at all. It was between Brantley and a third baseman named Taylor Green. They couldn’t decide on which to take so they made it that if the Brewers made the playoffs it was Brantley and Green if they didn’t. Green ended up only playing 78 games before getting hurt and retiring.
Polish Hammer
If the Brewers made the playoffs the Tribe got their choice of 4 players and if they didn’t then Milwaukee got to pick. They made the playoffs and the Indians took Brantley.
Papabueno
Gomes and Suzuki is a much better situation at C than the Nats have had the last few years. Hate to see Rodriguez leave though. He was looking like a guy that could be a 2020 roto piece.
gv84
A lot of Gomes’ value was based on his rookie season and he’s never lived up to that year. Tribe signed him to an extension prematurely and he hasn’t been able to stay on the field, even for a catcher. Perez complained multiple times to the media about not getting consistent playing time. Looks like he’ll get a chance, but don’t like the situation. Don’t think we’re a better team next year. Will be interesting to see what other moves we make. These slow off-seasons are a drag anymore.
norcalguardiansfan
There is always reason to hope that the PTBNL is a good one – but very underwhelmed, so far.
Congratulations to the Nats for ripping off the Indians.
sufferforsnakes
Two words — Michael Brantley.
hiflew
Two words – Extreme Outlier.
dcrising
Not sure I understand people saying the Indians got ripped off. Indians save a bunch of money for a catcher on the wrong side of 30 and inconsistent offensively, and they pickup the Nats #7 organizationally ranked prospect and Jefry Rodriguez who was going to compete for the Nats 4th/5th rotation spot. Numbers last year weren’t great but he has a strong arsenal. Plus whoever the PTBNL will be – remember Trea Turner was a PTBNL from the Padres.
Bigger questions for both clubs is whether they’ll each go after FA options from the positions they traded – Nats at starting pitching and Indians at catcher.
sufferforsnakes
Indians have two catchers. No need there.
dcrising
Then even better off the the Indians.
indiansfan44
They might need to sign someone but it will just be a depth signing to stick in the minors in case of injury. The more likely thing I think is a second deal coming (possibly the rumored Dodgers trade) bringing back an upper minors prospect as part of the deal. Could be an interesting few days.
bobtillman
Turner was a PTBN for logistical reasons, reflecting the regulations of the time (same-year draft choices couldn’t be traded until the next June). Those rules no longer apply.
In this case, it’s probably a player who may or may not clear Rule 5 draft. If he clears, he goes to Cleveland; if not, Plan B. I’m sure the players have already been identified.
Indians don’t need Gomes (or a FA catcher) to win the AL Central. They’re taking advantage of their obvious superiority to the rest of the division by saving some money. Nothing wrong with that; seems to me to be a rational choice. If things get tight (itself unlikely) they can open the handbag on July 31.
themaven
Gomes is a superlative defensive catcher,but let’s not forget how pathetic he was at the plate in 2015,2016,2017.The Tribe is selling high here,after he had a decent season with the bat.
That said, the return is a bit underwhelming,but none of us really know much about the players they got back other than they’ve got high ceiling tool sets.(the PTBNL could change that)
The seven million in payroll savings isn’t much by itself so I don’t think the move was motivated by money all that much.
Tribe must have a high opinion of Haase,since Perez regressed a great deal both offensively and defensively last season.
Esmil Rogers(an in season waiver pick up btw) for Gomes and Aviles was one of the best deals the Tribe has made in recent years.
Tribe will miss Gomes behind the plate but he’s replaceable in the line up.Getting talent for aging players is an art form and can be painful initially,but for a team like the Indians, is almost always a requirement.
GarryHarris
The Indians traded away catchers Francisco Mejia and now Yan Gomes. Who do they have coming up from their system?
sufferforsnakes
Eric Haase will step in now, while they have a guy named Li-Jen Chu coming up through the ranks. They also used their first pick this year on Noah Naylor.
hockeyjohn
I think that Indian fans will need to wait until the off season is completed before deciding if they are better prepared for 2019 or not. I am willing to give this front office a chance to finish the job before I complain,
Polish Hammer
Good point, I’m sure there’s a couple more moves to be completed yet, the next of which will be much bigger as they move one of their coveted SPs.
Papabueno
Daniel Johnson was blocked in the Nats OF, with guys like Soto and Robles in front of him, so good trade chip. Hate to see Rodriguez go though. He looked like he was starting to figure it out towards the end of the season.
dcrising
Agreed. Thought he came up earlier than he should’ve but his stuff looked pretty good last year for his age, just didn’t result in great stats. He sits at 96 and has a solid 4 pitch arsenal. I’m assuming he was going to compete and have a good shot at winning the last spot in the rotation against Fedde (assuming the Nats will sign/trade for another starter).
dcrising
I also assume trading him will signal them signing or trading for a starter a lot quicker now that they’ve just traded from their MLB-ready starters depth which was already very thin before.
Gwynning's Anal Lover
Yan can cook
PieroBr
Hmmm my guess is that the PTBNL is key to the deal. The Nats do have a couple of pretty decent prospects recovering from TJ surgery: the first would be Yasel Antuna 18-19 year old shortstop/2nd/third bagger more a potential impact bat than glove and a switch hitter. The 2nd would be Tim Cate who is recovered. There are others like Alex Troop. I wouldn’t check out on this deal if I were Indian fans until I see the PTBNL.