After a failed pursuit of Noah Syndergaard this past July, the Padres remain interested in acquiring the right-hander from the Mets, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports (subscription link). SNY’s Andy Martino writes that Friars “are expected” to be more aggressive in their pursuit this time around.
To be clear, there’s not yet any indication that the Mets have any intention of trading Syndergaard. New general manager Brodie Van Wagenen spoke of a desire to return to contention when he was introduced earlier this month. Van Wagenen vowed to be active in the free agent market. Reports have suggested that the Mets will pursue an extension with Cy Young winner Jacob deGrom. All of that points to a win-now mentality, and trading Syndergaard, at first glance, would seemingly fly in the face of that line of thinking.
It’s at least possible, though, to utilize Syndergaard as a means of acquiring controllable, MLB-ready pieces to plug into other areas of need on the roster. A healthy version of Syndergaard is among the game’s best pitchers and is an incredibly valuable asset to any club aiming to contend. But the Mets have numerous holes throughout the roster and a relatively thin farm system. The notion that teams operate as strict “buyers” or “sellers” has long been flawed, and it’s at least conceivable that the Mets could pursue free-agent upgrades while simultaneously dealing away a valuable MLB piece for multiple big league assets with greater club control.
The interest is notable, too, from the Padres’ vantage point. San Diego may not yet be ready to contend in 2019, but the very fact that general manager A.J. Preller is exploring the idea of cashing in some of his vaunted minor league depth to acquire rotation help seems to be a continuation of the thinking that led to last winter’s signing of Eric Hosmer. The Padres’ lengthy rebuild is at least nearing its terminus, and plugging in some pieces who can help both in 2019 and in 2020-21 — the likely target for a return to contention — may well be the next step in the process. The San Diego Union-Tribune’s Kevin Acee recently reported that the Padres are eyeing starters young enough to be in their prime in that 2020-21 window, and Syndergaard assuredly fits the bill.
Syndergaard, 26, is under team control for another three seasons and is projected by MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz to earn $5.9MM next season. He’s spent substantial time on the disabled list across the past two seasons but been legitimately excellent in 184 2/3 innings when healthy: 3.02 ERA, 9.2 K/9, 2.0 BB/9, 0.4 HR/9, 50.4 percent ground-ball rate, 2.56 FIP.
Those three remaining seasons of control, however, mean there’s no reason for Van Wagenen and the front office to feel compelled to move Syndergaard. Even if there’s no immediate desire or optimism regarding a Syndergaard extension, keeping him and deGrom together for at least the next two seasons gives the Mets a formidable rotation nucleus around which to build. And with Zack Wheeler set to hit the open market next winter while Steven Matz also deals with perennial injury issues, there’s an argument that keeping Syndergaard is crucial to the Mets’ plans beyond the ’19 season.
As a Yankee fan, if you trade for him, I’m jealous. Three years of team-control is no joke. This is great pitcher to use #1 rank farm chips on. Believe “injury prone” concerns are overstated
Injuries are always a concern with pitching even if the pitcher has not been injured. I do agree the injuries he had in the past may not come back but its always a concern.
I also agree that with 3 years of control of a 26 year old pitcher moving into his prime that is exactly what you would cash in some top prospects.
Weighing the risk v reward is aways what front offices would do but with the Padres being a small market not necessarily able to outbid many teams for top free agents this is the type of calculated risk Preller would be justified in taking
Im looking for the padres to make some moves this winter. Possibly a trade for Grienke or Kluber.
Kluber, maybe…Greinke, no
Both are too old. Preller is on record as saying the Padres will be the youngest WS winning team. You don’t do that by trading for 34 or 35-year-old starters.
Hey X-how many starts has “Thor” had each of the past three seasons?
Has he averaged 18?
Don’t confuse brute strength with in game conditioning.
Three way deal with Mets Marlins Padres could make sense here with Padres giving Marlins prospects, Mets giving Padres Noah, and Mets getting Realmuto and a prospect from Padres
Lol that’s stupid
if the Mets give up Thor, they arent going to need JTR
Why not? Syndergaard is not even their best starting pitcher. They have a huge hole at catcher.
I like that idea. Or getting Mejia and others from padres too
Won’t happen
Could work but Marlins don’t want to deal Realmuto in the division even though that some of the interest is from the Braves and Nats
I like this idea. It would take a haul of prospects for Miami to do it though, I would guess Mejia is included
Agreed, three way deal would make sense.
If the prospect was Gore
It most likely is.
Then forget it
Gore is not going anywhere. The Padres won’t make a lateral trade like that. We might end up seeing the Mets ask for someone like Mejia though.
Wait a second.. MacKenzie Gore is lateral to who now?
Apparently Noah Syndergaard. And Tatis is as important to the franchise as Tony Gwynn and/or Mike Trout despite never playing a major league game. Keep up.
Nothing like setting ridiculous standards for prospects.
Priggs89 you ever see the kid play? Ever expert in the sport has and they all say that he is a can’t miss? So what’s your deal? I like guys like you that use the word apparently to be a jerk before blurting out the statement I said about the team I root for. What team do you like? And why do you care how fab bases view their internal prospects based off how they view their careers would be. The cavs knew when they drafted Lebron that it would lead to success, the Padres have a kid who is a much of a stud prospect that Padres have had in their recent franchise history. Why not let the fan base embrace him and be super excited about what if.
Quit being a Debbie downer bro.
@Priggs again, if Tatis is traded, who plays shortstop for the Padres?
That’s VERY possible…the Padres would hold onto to Hedges, who the pitchers, dig…and the Padres have a Brian McCann-type backstop in Austin Allen, behind Hedges. I’d LOVE for Mejia to stay…and I can’t quite figure out why no one is speaking of him more in terms of being their 3rd baseman, when he’s not catching. That’s where he played in Cleveland, I think. I understand he wants to be a full time catcher, but man..he’s still very young with some time on his side. If Hedges doesnt improve his OBP sooner than later, he’s gone in 3 yrs or less, anyway..paving the way for Mejia.
Hedges controlled through 2022
@bleacherbum
I have seen the kid play. He’s a very good prospect with a chance to be a very good major leaguer. I’d be very excited to have him in my organization as well.
Every expert also said Yoan Moncada would be a superstar when he was traded. How’s that looking right now? He’s still extremely young and extremely talented, but he’s a heck of a lot further from the “can’t miss” prospect that he was a couple years ago.
Unless you think he’s going to be the best to ever play the game (extreme stretch), comparing his impact to LeBron James is just as big of a joke as comparing his impact to Trout. You’re free to do whatever the heck you want as a fan, and I’m free to point out how ridiculous a comment like that is at this point.
@redrooster
I don’t know who would play shortstop for the Padres. I’m sure they could find somebody serviceable. Who is going to play shortstop for the Padres if Tatis has to move to 3rd base? You have to give talent to get talent.
Again, look at the Sale and Quintana trades. If you think you’re getting Syndergaard for anything less than 2 top prospects (at least 1 being an elite prospect), you’re wrong. Not even the Mets front office is that stupid.
“I don’t know who would play shortstop for the Padres.”
Then gtfo
“If you think you’re getting Syndergaard for anything less than 2 top prospects (at least 1 being an elite prospect), you’re wrong.”
I don’t. I say if they demand Tatis or Urias then forget it.
Go sign Machado to play shortstop for the Padres. Problem solved. Can I please stay now?
Also – Who is going to play shortstop for the Padres if Tatis has to move to 3rd base?
Yeah, that’s realistic.
Maybe Arias? Anyway, the Padres don’t have an answer at 3B either so Tatis moving there wouldn’t ruin their plan at all.
Mejia? Mets would get much more than just him. Padres acquired him for Hand – and Thor is worth more than just him.
Hey Red-forget what? You should remember how the Mets always panic as they know that Fred won’t come up with the money to sign all of their pitchers so a few will be traded away.
Wagon Wheel is a rookie GM. That his success as an agent came taking Mutt and Jeff means nothing here. The other GM’s already despise him. He will panick to pull the trigger and it will be too little too late when everyone realizes that he was taken advantage of.
It almost certainly isn’t. Gore is not going anywhere.
If the Mets are trading Thor it means they don’t plan on contending in the next 3 years. That being the case, WHY would they trade for a catcher who will cost a harem of prospects and can be a free agent in 2 years?
If you think trading Syndergaard means not competing for 3 years you have gotta be another kind of clueless. You don’t think the players they get would be guys that would be contributing in the next 2 years? Meaning year 3 after the trade those guys could be fixtures on the team, not to mention you can make one solid SP signing to replace a good chunk of the production you lose from trading him.
I think that Syndergaard will outproduce everyone traded for him by leaps and bounds over 2019-2021. The key for the Mets would be adding years of control to their roster, which JTR doesn’t do.
When was the last solid SP signing by the Mets?
When was the last solid signing by the Mets?
Agon?
Reyes?
Bruce?
Frazier’s?
Cespedes?
You are too excited with Wagon Wheel and there are two problems:
He has never been on the other side of the negotiation.
It’s not his money. It’s Coupons. It will be short and it will be late.
It’s time to get your expectations in line with reality.
Just the opposite. Like the article said, the Mets have several holes on their MLB roster and would be looking to fill several of them by trading Syndergaard. By filling those holes they give themselves a chance to contend in 2019.
If they keep Syndergaard and don’t address those gaping holes in the OF, at 3B, and at catcher, they will not be a contender.
Even without Syndergaard their starting pitching will still be plenty good with the reigning Cy Young winner plus Wheeler and Matz at the top.
Gaping holes in OF? That’s where the Mets strength is on the field.
Padres fans…amusing.
Sorry Dakota-Derek is not trading a top prospect to the Mets. Too bad huh?
Similar trade value to Sale, I’d think. probably costs 3-4 of the Padres top 15 prospects, as loaded as that system is
Read the article again.
Trading Syndergaard makes no sense from the Mets’ standpoint. They always seem to forget they are a big market team playing in New York City. Go get some assets to put AROUND Syndergaard and DeGrom and try to contend instead.
I disagree. The Mets could view Syndergaard as a luxury in a way. They have the best pitcher in baseball last year in their rotation, along with Wheeler who could be a solid #2 or #3, but also could drop to a #5, Matz is a #4 or #5, and they could modestly spend for a veteran middle-of-the-rotation arm. Their offense has so many holes along with a bleak future as far as prospects go, free agency wouldn’t solve that issue. They need to completely revamp their minor league system to establish an offense for years to come. Dealing Syndergaard would be a great start to accomplishing that. I believe they still have a few more years to lay the foundation before they actually become formidable contenders, but being as unpredictable as baseball can be, their position to contend could come sooner.
In my opinion, a pitcher who has proven to be able to pitch successfully in a big market is too valuable. I also believe the injury concerns are overstated. I’ll take the incumbent over anyone they would look to sign to replace him and prospects. The mets biggest problem is the bullpen. They simply don’t have one. Any lead no matter how large last year was not safe. They have no closer, no reliable setup men, and very little depth in the pen. Lugo and Gsellman are an okay start but let’s be real. To me that’s priority #1. Then i’d work my way down the list of other needs.
And they have tried to patchwork holes in the lineup far too many times, imo they need to sell, there’s just far too many holes. If you tell me Cespedes comes back healthy and 100 percent, a young bat or 2 plays at a high level, and any bullpen/ lineup additions are going to produce at high levels, I’d say build around what ya got. Too many things have to do right for them to even get a wild card, so it prolly would be best to sell right now and get a ton of good quality prospects to develop on small contracts, which most teams are doing, large and small market teams are going this route, i’m not a Mets fan and I didn’t watch them every day though, so maybe theres more there that i’m not seeing.
New gm, first order of business is almost always shed dead cost, like Cespedes, though he’ll prolly be a trade deadline guy. Its always a question of if the new gm can’t sell that strategy to his ownership
Cespedes full NTC
I just think it’s bad optics for a New York team to be tearing it down while the Padres(??) are suddenly going for it? Ace pitchers are the most valuable commodity in MLB. The Mets have 2 of them. That tells me they aren’t too far from contending if they can add some good pieces.
go for it Padres!
Yup!! This is the type of guy we need at the top of the rotation.
Padres will get nothing until ever other team get what they want, Then Padres will low ball just like last year when they signed 1st base man and found out why nobody wanted him.
Padres to finis last as always.
They don’t always finish last though… Close to it though. They will be very good in the up coming years.
Who’s your team douche?
Oh look, another troll. Time for your daily Padres bashing I see?
Say it ain’t so!
If the braves dumped prospects for Noah then also JT, might be the only case where I would be fine with a dump of prospects. Getting multiple stars vs just one. I’m in a fantasy land right now but still
Padres farm system is loaded, might as well use it to cash in on some star players!
Padres get: Syndergaard
Mets get: Austin Hedges, Mackenzie Gore, Franmil Reyes, Cory Spangenberg
I’m a Padre fan and it is going to take a lot more than that to acquire Syndergaard.
It would probably be more like Mejia, Paddack, Naylor, Munoz, and Reyes.
This is a lot more realistic. They might also throw in another piece, like something outside the top 20. But they are not going to give up Gore. Why do people keep thinking this?
Won’t happen
No paddock gore Mejia or hedges
Spang, reyes, Naylor, austin Allen, Getty’s, Asuaje, etc is more likely
Even Potts
Naylor get real. Asuaje get realer. 3 top prospects that’s cost
Mets would say no to that. Padres would have to throw in another top 100 prospect at least.
Spangenberg only played because the Padres big league roster is so bad. Reyes needs to play in the AL..he is just way too large, cannot play the outfield.
Not even close. Based on previous trades, it’ll take 2 TOP prospects (the waaaay top) and then some.
And if you’re thinking he has Sale-like value, you better think about saying goodbye to Tatis.
I would say Tatis Jr. is untouchable for the Padres. If they don’t get Syndrrgaard as a result so be it.
And I would say you are very correct sir. Tatis is the definition of untouchable. To me is the Mike Trout of this organization, the value there is immense. You can’t trade that.
That’s fine. You can make him as untouchable as you want, but that’s the kind of prospect(s) it’ll most likely take.
If you want to compare it to the Sale trade, you’re talking Tatis/Gore as the 2 main pieces.
If you want to compare it to the Quintana trade, you’re talking along the lines of Tatis and one of Paddack/Morejon/Baez as the top 2.
Luckily for the Padres, they have quantity and quality in their system, so they MIGHT be able to make a deal work without giving up Tatis if they can sell the Mets on quantity. If that were to happen, I think it’s pretty realistic to expect the third piece to be another top 50ish guy rather than a toolsy throw-in. Either way, we’re talking about moving at least a couple of your TOP prospects, which doesn’t make a ton of sense for the Padres (not 1 pitcher away from winning). Players like Syndergaard don’t come cheap, and the Padres won’t be the only ones bidding.
Gore is untouchable. Reyes is a possibility, but Renfroe is more likely. Spangenberg is useless. I see no reason why the Mets would want him. They would probably want the power hitting Villanueva before they would even consider Spangenberg.
Renfroe, Hedges, a guy like Nix or Quantrill, and another lower level prospect would be plenty to get a deal done.
Syndergaard has had 32 starts in the past 2 seasons. A full season is 33 or 34 starts. Let’s not overvalue an oft-injured starter no matter how good his arm is when healthy.
Oh man, not this again. If the Padres were 1 player away, like they were in ’98 when they acquired Brown from the Marlins, I would be for this, but they aren’t. The Padres need to get Urias settled in and Tatis introduced to the Majors this season to see where they stand in their rebuild. If all goes well with those 2, then next off season would be the time to deal for a #1 starter in my opinion.
Martino says a deal would start with Tatis, I hope that Preller and Co. are just doing their due diligence if he is the starting point.
Agreed that next year would be ideal, but players of Noah’s calibur with 3 years of prime control usually aren’t open for business. Sometimes you have to buy when you can and if they can hold on to Gore, Tatis and Urias it may be worth it.
I hear what you are saying and I think any deal would have to start with Gore and Mejia.
Von Wagenen says he will try to compete this year so the Mets aren’t likely to trade Thor if the Padres don’t make that move. One year from now his club control will be lower because he’ll have lost a year of control. That is the time to trade for him. Padres aren’t going to contend in 2019 with or without Thor.
I mean the Mets still have a rotation of:
DeGrom
Matz
Wheeler
Vargas
Lugo/Gsellman
With other possibilities in free agency as well. Ervin Santana makes sense, so would Charlie Morton on short term deal.
Thor is expendable especially if the Padres are giving something to plug their hole at Catcher and some young arms to plug into their pipeline. They have Rosario and McNeil up the middle right now, both are young athletic and look good so far. No need for Padre fans to assume Tatis Jr/Urias are necessary to get something done.
Mackenzie Gore might have to be dangled, but the pitching depth in this organization, especially left handed, is crazy. Even if Gore was dealt you still have Strahm, Lucchesi, Lauer, L.Allen, Morejon, Weathers, Wieck, Castillo, and a few guys right outside the top 30.
To top it off, if we want to replace that elite LHP prospect we will lose in Gore. We have the ability to with the number 6 overall pick this June. The Padres can now aim for older type college prospects with a more shorter path to the big leagues. The Chris Sale, David Price trajectory to the big leagues. Where they are drafted and possibly in the bigs by the end of the year.
Im not saying it will happen but if we are turning our organizational brains to “Compete Mode” then we need to start thinking like the good teams do. We’ve supplanted the organization with young depth. Now it’s time to infuse the top levels/big league club with it. High profile college arms, elite college bats. Joey Bart profile comes to mind.
Rather just keep Gore. He’ll be Noah Syndergaard in 3-4 years
I see where you’re coming from Bleacherbum, but I just don’t think it would be worth it for them if they had to give up Gore as the centerpiece of a trade. That’s the kind of deal you make for a Chris Sale type of pitcher. Thor is good, but he hasn’t reached that level yet. If the Mets think they can compete next year, they’ll likely want to keep Thor anyway.
Redrooster brings up a good point about next offseason. If the Mets decide to start selling off, that would be the time to strike up a deal for Thor, especially since he’ll be cheaper then.
As a Padres fan, agreed. The injury risk is real, and it’s not worth trading Tatis when you are 2 to 3 years away.
Rest assured- Tatis won’t be traded.
Yup. Padres have kinda put all their eggs in that basket for the shortstop position.
Here is the deal. Fowler and Seidler said that they want a frontline starter this offseason. Do you know who they are? They are the owners of the Padres. Usually, if the owners say to get something done, the GM goes out and does it or loses his job.
Source?
Maybe you should start reading the Padres website occasionally, or did you stop doing that since they got rid of the comments section Ryan? And subscribe to The Athletic.
My name isn’t even Ryan you weirdo. And once again you refuse to provide a source for your dubious claims.
Mejia for Thor?
By himself? Not enough. Mejia hasn’t demonstrated anything at the MLB level.
Syndergaard has only started 32 games in 2 seasons and has never completed a season without a trip to the DL. He has not proven he can stay healthy.
I agree that Mejia would probably not be enough by himself, but it would not take much more if he is included in the trade.
Yeah and _____ and ______ and _______ and _____ (see where I am going?)
So Is every other team in baseball
Syndergaard for Mejia Paddack Espinosa Naylor
I would accept this offer.
The Mets wouldn’t. Espinosa isn’t even pitching again yet after sitting out all of last season recovering from TJS. Naylor is an anomaly, they have Alonso and Smith who if you essentially combine together equal Naylor- no need there.
Let’s trade Mejia for Hedges and I’d be good with it.
WAY too much. Mejia, Quantrill, and Naylor might still be an overpay for a guy that has never completed a major league season without a trip to the DL and has just 32 starts in the past 2 seasons.
The Padres should stay the course and let their prospects mature to MLB ready players. Maybe they need a marquee name to fill seats? Because either with Noah or without they are in the cellar again next season. San Diego fans know what the deal is. Stay the course and you may have something in 2020.
There’s no sustained rebuild by making trades. The padres should know this already when you look back at 2015 decision to trade a bunch of prospects. Follow the course and buy low on players and washed up prospects hoping to get a bargain until your top prospects are more established stars.
That group of prospects would of made us mediocre, instead of winning 65-70 games past 4 years we would of won 72-78. AJ wanted is own guys in there and the only way to do that is to “go for it” we used Kimbrel and Sheilds, etc. etc… to get our best prospects today so complaining about that year in nonsense. Grandal is a part-time catcher. Trea Turner is always hurt. Jake Bauer? oh please.
“instead of winning 65-70 games past 4 years we would of won 72-78.”
And wouldn’t have owed a bunch of money to M. Upton, Shields and Olivera.
“Grandal is a part-time catcher.”
Even if that were true he at least didn’t have negative trade value like Kemp.
“Trea Turner is always hurt.”
How do you figure?
He doesn’t. He just spits out unsupported opinions. Shoot, fire, aim.
1) Trea Turner played in all 162 games last season.
2) Since trades:
Wil Myers: 455 games, 9.1 WAR v. Trea Turner: 360 games, 10,4 WAR*
Yasmani Grandal, (2015-2018): 9.6 WAR v. Padres catchers in same time period: 2.7 WAR combined
2015 (Norris: 2.5, Hedges: -0.5, Gale: -0.2): Total: 1.8
2016 (Norris: 0.4, Hedges: -0.4, Bethancourt: -0.3, Sanchez: 0.4): Total: 0.1
2017 (Hedges 0.9, Gale: -0.1, Bethancourt: -0.1, Sanchez: -0.4, Torrens: -1.1): Total: -0.8
2018 (Hedges 1.4, Gale: -0.1, Ellis: 0.3, Lopez: 0.0) Total: 1.6
Again, don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative.
You quiet down with your silly factual evidence!
Turner was injured in both 2016 and 2017 missing a combined 153 games to the DL. Don’t let the facts get in the way of your narrative.
Wtf are you talking about? Turner was never injured in 2016. And his main injury in 2017 was from getting hit by a pitch.
You’re right the difference in WAR you’re showing would of made us an elite team maybe even a dynasty.
You’re so smart
My darn narrative…
Well you are certainly a troll.
And that difference in WAR would certainly put them a lot closer to elite than they currently are.
Closer to elite lolololol
Mentally challenged troll lololololol
Wanna retract that statement? Turner was called up in 2016 mid-season. He played 156 games total in 2016.
I’ll stick with the facts, thanks.
Lol I don’t see how this gets down votes. There is nothing here to rebut. People must hate when they’re proven wrong.
It’s Pads Fans. He has like half a dozen burner accounts and if you disagree with him he uses them to spam downvote your comment. We’re used to it.
Of course, sometimes a non-entity minor league pitcher gets traded, developed, and turns into Corey Kluber. Think the Pads wish they hadn’t made that deal? Hindsight is always 20/20.
The same with toronto and the thor deal and dozens of others by dozens of teams over the past 5 years but lets forget those
syndergaard to toronto for guerrero…
Jays say No
One for one? They might consider it. Syndergaard is established and reasonably young and cost controlled. 3 years of control left. Depends on their confidence level in Guerrero and where they see themselves in the division.
Jays say hell no
Hard no.. Guerrero is in the dictionary.. when you look up the phrase untouchable
So was Moncada
Except the Jays aren’t a Sale away from the WS
Nor are the Padres a Thor away from the WS. Yet this article exists
Agreed, except they are one step closer to contention then my blue Jays.
It makes some sense for the pads but no sense for the Jays, he would be in his final year of control once we are just getting P/O ready
Best case scenario, the Padres make the playoffs in Thor’s last year of control. The only reason to make this trade now is if they are worried the Mets will trade him elsewhere this offseason if they don’t pounce now. Based on Von Wagenen’s comments that sounds decidedly unlikely.
If the pads spent money and prospects this year, I could see them competing (lots of money and all their prospects) but I dont know how rabid their fanbase is or how much they want to win now
Even if the Jays signed Harper Machado and Corbin, then traded for Thor and Madbum (giving away all our future) we’d still be hard pressed to top the Sox and yanks, still Houston too….
That is a worst-case scenario. If the Padres don’t reach .500 in 2019 they will be retooling on the FO and coaching side.
Ok Nostradamus
And to think I was actually enjoying our intelligent conversation, then this…
Nostradamus comment was to PF, not you.
He is still entitled to his opinion, especially since it’s his team.
If you dont agree that’s fine. But no need to ridicule him
Compelling and logical arguments have already been tried on him. Idk how long you’ve been on this site but once he declares himself right, all bets are off.
Long time listener first time caller type.
All are welcome. The best thing to do in my opinion is ignore the individuals you feel aren’t competent
I rarely even view the user name and likely wouldn’t realize we had a conversation in 2 weeks
Meh. Sometimes it’s fun to throw stones at trolls.
Three way trade: Mets, Giants, and Indians. Indians get Syndergaard, Giants get Kluber, Mets get Bumgarner. Book it.
Why? Does anyone actually improve here?
Horrendous trade plus the Mets would be the clear losers here. They would be downgrading from Syndergaard to Bumgarner and the Mets don’t need pitching, they need offesne.
People will think this was a serious comment.
BOOK IT!!!!!
Just say no!!
I’m a Mets fan and this makes too much sense to me. The Padres are desperate for an Ace pitcher and the Mets need organizational depth. I would trade Syndergaard for either one of these packages:
Syndergaard for Tatis & Gore
Syndergaard for Tatis & Urias
Syndergaard for Tatis & Meija
Syndergaard for Meija, Urias & Paddack
Either one of these packages would work and are fair for both sides. The Padres would not only get the controllable Ace they desire but they wouldn’t have to completely deplete their farm system. As for the Mets, you get major league ready talent or near major league ready, boost your farm system to a Top 10 farm system, create quality, organizational depth and Brodie Van Wagenen makes an instant impact.
Tatis Jr. is highly unlikely to move with his upside and he is at our greatest position of need.
If that’s what it takes Padres are better off waiting 3 more years and signing Syndergaard. If they trade Tatis who plays shortstop?
Padres can look elsewhere for an ace.
Zack Greinke may be 35 and owed a lot, but moving Wil Myers in a Greinke deal saves the Dbacks 30 mill to resign Goldschmidt.
Padres already have Dinelson Lamet working his way back too who has shown ace-like stuff.
The Indians have a plethora of pitching and while they may want to move Kluber and Carrasco, Clevinger is just as good and controlled longer and Padres have two area of strengths ()F and RP) to help the Indians area of needs. Padres could easily part with Cordero and Renfroe plus some relief pitching and/or prospects to acquire clevinger and let the indians keep kluber and/or carrasco.
If Mets are asking for Tatis, Padres will look elsewhere or wait for Lamet to come back and hope he develops into their ace.
Lamet is the true diamond in the rough. If he comes back and looks anything close to what he was then that is real value for the Padres.
Lamet has never shown Ace stuff. He might eventually be a good #3 starter.
The Mets are probably NOT asking for Tatis. They have no need in the MI. Rosario is 22 and the SS of the present and future. 6 of their top 20 prospects including their #1 are SS.
“Either one of these packages would work and are fair for both sides.”
Not in the slightest.
Tatis Jr. is an untouchable prospect that will be filling a hole (SS) the Padres have been looking to plug for over a decade now. You should look at the other team’s organizational situation before posting outlandish trade offers.
There’s nothing outlandish about the offers. Don’t get mad because someone made intelligent offers that are realistic as to what an Ace would cost another organization to acquire via trade. By the way, Tatis does not have to be involved. I believe if the Padres offer Meija, Urias & Paddack, that would be enough for the Mets to trade away one of their Ace’s with 3 years of control remaining. The idea of the Padres acquiring Syndergaard while also being able to hold onto Gore & Tatis seems like a no brainer. Imagine a rotation that includes Syndergaard, Gore & Lamet. If the Padres continue to develop well, they could have Tatis at SS or 3B, Naylor at 1B or OF and Quantrill as a future closer. This is a very thought out trade offer that helps both teams.
If the Padres trade Urias it just opens up another hole at 2B
I’m specifically talking about the offers involving Tatis Jr. and the fact that you said those would be “fair for both sides.” Now you are trying to go back on that by saying Tatis does not have to be involved?
This is why I said you need to look at the situation of other organizations in hypothetical trade scenarios. You would see that it makes no sense to think the Padres would trade Tatis Jr. because he is a prospect that fills the Padres greatest position of need (SS). Hence why I said it was outlandish.
Any offer involving Tatis Jr. going to the Mets will not help the Padres. It would simply be one step forward, two steps back for them.
Take your Mets-tinted glasses off.
I can respect and you’re probably right but anyone who thinks that trading Urias away for an Ace like Syndergaard would hurt the Padres is seriously mistaken. Urias is unproven but talented. Second basemen are far easier to find than SS’s.
If Urias is traded who plays 2B for the Padres?
There is a plethora of free agent second basemen.
DJ Lemahieu
Josh Harrison
Brian Dozier
Asdrubal Cabrera
Ian Kinsler
Jed Lowrie
Daniel Murphy
Etc……
Take your pick. Plenty of players available for that position, experienced ones at that. Honestly, Lemahieu would be a good fit for that infield with Hosmer.
Urias is just as safe as Tatis. Preller would be mentally insane to deal him.
Yeah, those guys are just itching to sign with the Padres lol.
Would make more sense to roll with Urias and go after a free agent SP like Corbin.
Money talks.
moderation…
Exactly. You’re telling me if the Padres were to get Syndergaard to go along with their young prospects, whom their promotions are imminent and core major league players that those second basemen wouldn’t sign with them, especially if they offered a player like LeMahieu a 4 yr, $60 million contract that he would turn it down??? I think not!!!
Rather keep Urias and go after a pitcher in FA
I find it funny that you rather hold onto an unproven prospect then get a bonafide Ace. I find that perplexing. So you’re telling me that the Padres would be better with Urias at 2B and say Nathan Eovaldi rather than have Syndergaard and say DJ LeMahieu at 2B. Again, makes zero sense. Guaranteed if we took a nationwide poll on which duo any fanbase would rather have over the next three seasons, I bet at least 80% would select Syndergaard & LeMahieu.
1. It would probably take more than just Urias to get Thor.
2. The Urias/Eovaldi combo would also be cheaper
3. Urias has 3 more years of control than Thor. The Padres have basically zero chance of contending until 2021, Thor’s last year of control. Yeah, I think I’d have control Urias’ rights through 2024.
Naylor at 1B lol
Syndergaard is not a bonafide Ace. Bonafide Aces pitch more than 32 starts in TWO seasons. Bonafide Ace is a guy that is a horse that takes the ball every 5th day and puts up 33-34 starts with a sub 3 ERA every season.
LMAO. You are obviously on crack. #1, that doesn’t fill the Mets positions of need on the MLB roster. #2 everyone you mentioned is an untouchable from the Padres point of view.
Padres will never trade Tatis. Laughing at trade proposals including him
Yeah Tatis is as untouchable as anyone to play in the Padres organization since Tony Gwynn arguably. He is going no where.
Padres receive: Noah Syndergaard
Mets receive: LHP- Mackenzie Gore, LHP- Logan Allen, C -Austin Allen and SS- Gabriel Arias
The Mets get two top 100 prospects for Syndergaard (#13 Gore, #76 Allen), Austin Allen is very close to big league ready and can provide a solid left handed stick behind the plate for the Mets.
Lastly, SS- Gabriel Arias, part of Preller’s international spending spree a few years back- is blocked by Tatis Jr, Owen Miller and Xavier Edwards in the pipeline. He gives the Mets a young middle infield high ceiling prospect. With the promotion of Rosario they don’t seem to have anything else close.
The Mets would be acquiring the Padres #2, 8, 20, 25 – top 30 prospects which is a huge haul.
The Padres get 3 years of cheap control of a bonafide Ace when healthy.
Joel Sherman reported this morning on MLB network that he bumped into AJ Preller and Omar Minayai at the GM meeting last week talking multiple times by themselves, he walked up to them and said “is this what I think it might be about” and they just smiled and grinned. These two teams match up very well.
1. Given the prospects San Diego has, this is incredibly light. Depending on the list, Logan Allen is not even top 100. So really, one top 20ish prospect.
2.. You say that the Mets don’t seem to have any middle IF prospects with the promotion of Rosario- not sure what kind of research you did, but they do have Andres Gimenez, who is a Top 50 SS/2B prospect at AA, and Ronny Mauricio, who is a Top 100 SS prospect in the lower levels.
6 of the Mets top 20 prospects are middle infielders with all of them playing at least part of last season at SS.
Logan Allen would be the best pitching prospect in the Mets organization if included in any trade there. Austin Allen would compete for the starting job with Plawecki in 2019. Not sure the Mets need Arias and Gore is off the table.
It is far from light. It would undoubtedly be enough if that is what the Mets needed. They don’t need a package like that.
If the haul back for Syndegaard does not include major league ready 3b & C prospects, then I don’t see the point for the Mets.. Pesonally, I’d rather gamble on the guy who’s been up here, done it at the MLB level, with success, for 3 more years, than gamble on prospects.
That ‘s just me.
I’d be very disappointed as a Mets fan to see your trade proposal go through.
If SD’s top 3b and top C prospect are in fact “untouchable”…..
Wel, then….
There shouldn’t be a discussion about Syndegaard or any mets starter…Except of course Jason Vargas…lol…. just sayin’….
Mejia could be included in the trade. Padres already have Austin Hedges at catcher anyway. Granted I dunno why the Padres would want to make that trade at this point. Better to wait a year and let the Mets waste another year of Thor and (consequently, his trade value).
Yeah well, trade value means little to me because there’s no guarantee what you’re gonna get back. That’s unless the Mets know as of right now they’re not looking to keep Sydegaard long term. If Syndegarrd goes out and pitches well, I find it hard to believe that there won’t be any suitors for his services next year. If he doesn’t there’s still another year to rebound. That’s why I feel that there’s no urgency to trade Syndegaard for anything less than an over pay by any team. The return must be the potential 3b & C of the future at least. That being said, I still wouldn’t do it if the Mets think they want Noah long term. However, at least that type of haul ( 3b, C & SP ) I can understand.
Losing a year of control absolutely hurts Thor’s trade value
Understood. I’d still rather see the mets wait and see. I’m glad they didn’t bail on DeGrom & Wheeler at the trade deadline.. Hopefully, i’ll be glad they don’t bail on Syndergaard.
Bullpen
Bullpen
Bullpen…..lol
deGrom is the guy they should be looking to trade. He’s not signing an extension, his free agency is looming and with him fresh off a CY, there’s really not much he can do to boost his trade value.
I’ve been watching DeGrom since he came up. He’s shown progression each year. I was fortunate enough to see Gooden’s Cy Young Year. Now i feel fortunate to watch this man pitch every fifth day. To me, a pitcher of that caliber is worth any of the risks associated with extending him. If the Mets can’t bank on someone who’s already done it here, then I really don’t know what else to say. He started his career late. He’s progressed. He’s pitched in a big market under a ton of scutiny. Had every excuse in the book to bail on 2018 but, didn’t. He know’s what it takes to be here and has still excelled. If the Mets don’t want this guy leading there staff until his arm falls off, then I would be interested in seeing the name of pitcher they would want. SMH.
Hey, they may make that mistake. I thought Lugo or Gsellman were better options at starter than Vargas and they blew that one.
Thanks for the back and forth redrooster. All the best.
Sure they would want him leading their rotation until his arm falls off. But it takes two to tango. What exactly makes you think deGrom would sign an extension? With the Mets or anyone?
I’m going on DeGrom’s own words He has said on at least two occasions during interviews on SNY (network) he is open to being a Met long term. I’m not in the know tho…he has two years left of controll. The mets have a lilttle time to figure it out if he’s willing to stay and what it would take. As much as players want the best contract, i also feel some have to be wanted and appreciated. That being said, if they’ve explored that and he doesn’t want to be a Met, then he must be traded. The problem has been any return the mets have recieved in trades recently have been subar. As a Met fan i’m not confident that the return will be worth the trade. Off the top of my head the last trades that really worked out was Dickey to Toronto and Cespedes. If DeGrom is in fact BS’ing about being here then the Mets really have to make that fact public.
I think Mets fan would feel differently if he’s moved and they new he didn’t want to be a Met. If they move him and they had a real chance to keep him well, i don’t think that’ll sit well with the Met faithfull. Most Met fans already hate the way the Wilpons run this organization and this will reinforce the narrative that they’re really not interested in winning. I would imagine they’ll feel a huge hit in ticket sales as well. For my part i’m always looking to see whose pitching before i buy my tickets.
How about the one position that the new Mets GM has singled out as the biggest need to start the 2019 season? That would be OF with Cespedes definitely out until the All Star break in 2016 and Bruce injured and hitting poorly all through 2018.
Catcher is also a huge hole.
Those would be the 2 positions the Padres can fill in a trade for Syndergaard unless Ven Wagenen thinks Villanueva can help his MLB team. The Padres don’t, so not sure why the Mets would.
The Padres top 3B prospect is Hudson Potts who ended his 2018 season in AA. Not sure he is who the Mets would want.
Fair enough, I would kindly tell him. What good is a lead when you can’t protect it.
Bullpens blowing games is demoralizing to a team over the long hall. I’ve seen it time and time again with the mets.
With Conforto, Nimmo, Bruce and Lagares. I think the need is overstated. Yes it’s not great but to me the bullen is the biggest need for this team hands down.
Then a catcher who throws basestealers out, frames, calls a good game and hopefully hits.. Three out of the four will do…lol
They have to increase their depth at the MLB level as well. I’m sick of starters going down at any positon only to be replaced by AA talent.
I know that’s the case to restock the farm but that’s not what i mean.
They need to stock that bench with MLB caliber backups or at least two super utility guys.
Listen i know they have holes but, IMO with solid starting pitching, defense, a better than average bullen you can win a lot of games without a blowout offense. It’s not sexy but it’ll work.
How does that fill needs on the MLB roster for the Mets?
Preller and Minaya briefly worked together after Preller was hired by the Padres, so I’m not reading too much into this. And Sherman is a New York tabloid reporter, so I put little stock in what he said. He’s just trying to stir up the rumors more imo.
If the Mets were rebuilding, I’d say the two teams match up well. But if they’re looking to fill holes on the major league roster while staying competitive, then the two teams are a poor fit for this type of trade.
Tatis Jr
Urias
Paddack
Mejia
Reed
Those 5 are untouchable.
If they’re all untouchable then the Padres will NEVER obtain an Ace via trade.
Yes they could. They could swap Wil Myers and Zach Greinke
Padres have a rule 5 crunch, Diamondbacks have a weaker farm, makes sense.
Padres get Zach Greinke (3 years 95 ish mill) and Jake Lamb (2 years arb plus Eduardo Escobar reupped)
Diamondbacks get- Wil Myers (63 mill ish) plus Austin Allen, Reggie Lawson, Pedro Avila, Brad Zunica, and Hansel Rodriguez.
Diamondbacks clear money to resign Goldschmidt, Padres get an ace while making room for both Reyes and Renfroe to play.
So you want a declining SP, going into his age 36 season while paying him over $32 million per season for three years as he’s approaching 40 years of age. And Padres fans wonder why their team sucks. Makes zero sense to choose Greinke over Syndergaard, especially when Syndergaard is almost 10 years younger, far more dominant and would cost the Padres at least $60 million less for the next three seasons. That’s just not how you run a successful baseball organization.
Thor will also cost prospects. Greinke won’t.
Switch out Mejia and Reed for Gore and Patino
Add Gore to that list. The Padres do not have to trade any of those guys to the Mets to send them a guy that would immediately become the Mets #1 overall prospect. Morejon or Baez fits that bill.
Reed is a good player and really fun, but he is not the caliber of prospect that any of the others are.
Do you think:
1) The Mets NEED to trade Syndergaard
2) No other team will be bidding against the Padres
Be careful with the evaluation of Reed. He has that Betts profile written all over him. An athlete who took a little bit after getting drafted to figure the game out a little more at the professional level. Trading Buddy Reed in my opinion will be a very bad mistake. A switch hitting outfielder with elite speed and pop. Yeahhhhh, he ain’t going anywhere.
Syndergaard to Dodgers for Dustin May, Alex Verdugo and Andrew Toles.
The above offer from SD is way strong than that.
The Dodgers would have to lose two of Keibert, Alvarez or Verdugo. Plus a couple lower top 30 guys. Doubt Friedman and crew would do that.
Noah for Mejia, Naylor, Nix and stock
I like that offer
Tatis JR,Gore,Mejia are untouchables we still have plenty of other top 100 prospects to trade. After letting go of Trea Turner AJ wont be dumb enough to let go of another good Shortstop.
How is Mejia untouchable? He’s already kinda blocked with Hedges in the fold.
Any guy that had a 50 game hitting streak in any level of professional baseball is untouchable in my mind. Glass half full. The kicker with Mejia is that Hedges is so elite defensively that they truly create a really nice duo. I don’t think either guy moves. Austin Allen or Luis Torrens on the other hand…
Add Paddack to that list.
Noah will cost Tatis and rightfully so. I hope they don’t do it. We haven’t had a good shortstop since Khalil Greene and we still won’t be in the playoff mix when Noah’s contract is up.
The problem with trading Tatis is that if the Padres do that, who is their long-term shortstop?
If we know what we know about AJ Preller, then we should all come to terms and believe that he would NEVER trade Tatis Jr. Why? He cares too much about his ego. “His appearance”.
Why is Wil Myers still a member of the Padres? Preller cares too much about him image to take the L in that trade, cut bait and move on somehow. But he won’t, and Myers will continue to under perform and make excuses unfortunately.
Same situation in terms of Tatis Jr. Who was connected to a lot of “wasted” James Shields money, that I’m sure CEO Ron Fowler and crew will like to recoup Via Tatis’s future value while he is cheap. They are going to want to see that long term investment pay off. He has basically grown up in this organization over the last few seasons. He is the future. Trading him would be like trading Tony Gwynn type impact to this club, Preller won’t want his fingerprints on that miss. Atleast I hope and pray he won’t.
Preller knows he caught lighting in a bottle when he turned Shields into Tatis Jr. For the sake of his own job, I don’t think there is any way Preller lets go of him.
Exactly, you said it better than I did. It’s his “sock it to ya” moment to baseball. Everyone wants that exclamation point in their career.
Preller dug himself into a hole by signing James Shields as an impulse buy because he just won the championship and was relevant. Reversed his mistake, by capitalizing on a team who thought that they were “in it” still and they gave up more value then thought. That’s a great job no matter how you look at it.
BUT… that all means nothing if Tatis doesn’t get to the majors and produce under Preller’s tenure, which after the beginning of my statement how could Preller not want to see that through to the finish line. I think any human being would like to see the fruits of their labor sort of speak.
Myers was an above average MLB player in 2018. He may have underperformed to what he is capable of but 11 HR, 13 SB, a .767 OPS and 109 OPS+ in 312 AB is still good. 9% above MLB average.
Maybe if the Padres stop jacking him around every season by moving him to a new position and he can live up to his potential of a 30/30 season. Put him in LF and let him play without having to learn an entirely new position every year.
Not even close and not a position of need in the Mets system. Did you read the article at ALL? The Mets have several huge holes in their major league lineup and are going to use any trade for Syndergaard to try to fill those holes.
What they are NOT going to want is a prospect like Gore that is years away. And shortstop is not a position of need for them. Rosario is 22 and locked in at SS and 6 of their current top 20 prospects are SS.
With Cespedes out and Bruce having had a really, really bad 2018 season with the bat and with injuries, the Mets are going to want an OF. Someone with pop like Renfroe or Reyes. Start there in any trade scenario for Syndergaard.
The Mets have a gaping hole at catcher where a 29-year-old d’Arnaud is injured and never lived up to his potential because of injuries and the .200 hitting Plawecki (.215 with 7 HR and a .685 OPS in 79 games in 2018) is penciled in as the #1 in 2019 right now with Tomas Nido as his backup. The Padres have a MLB ready catching prospect in Austin Allen. He just hit .290 with 22 HR and a .857 OPS in a tough hitters environment in San Antonio and the Texas league.
People forget just how good the Padres system when talking about what prospects they would have to include in trades. The Padres #6 and #7 prospects would both be the #1 overall prospect in the Mets system, so don’t assume that it’s going to take one of the Padres top 4 or 5 to get the job done. A couple of pitching prospects between 6 and 14 in the Padres system are plenty enough when packaged with the guys mentioned above.
Either of the Padres #11 or #14 prospects would be the #1 or #2 pitching prospect in the Mets system today and in the Mets top 5 overall.
So take another look at what the Mets NEED and how the Padres match up with those needs.
Guarantee you Tatis isn’t in this deal and will not be mentioned as any part of this deal. Gore, possibly. Tatis will not be. And from the padres side of things, they will want to include either the prospects who need to be added to the 40, or players who are already on it since they have such a 40 man roster crunch.
Couldn’t agree with you more Nico480. Pretty spot on.
Just take the Padres top 5 and take them off the table. The Padres #6 and #7 prospects would be the #1 overall prospect in the Mets system if they were part of a trade for Syndergaard.
The Mets 3 biggest holes in the major league lineup are catcher, OF, and 3B. The Padres don’t have the 3B the Mets need, but they have the MLB ready OF, catcher and pitching prospects.
The Padres #6 and #7 prospects may very well be the #1 overall prospect in the Mets system, but that’s not really the point. Nearly every team in baseball will be offering the Mets something for Syndergaard. Unless you think nobody will offer better value than the Padres 6th or 7th best prospect (you’re wrong), you aren’t getting Syndergaard that cheaply.
Quit living in fantasy land. It’s going to take 2 big time prospects. If the Padres don’t want to pay the price, somebody else (that’s actually going to be competitive over the next 3 years) happily will.
Again, look at the Sale and Quintana trades if you want realistic comps. The Red Sox and Cubs gave up SIGNIFICANTLY more than what’s being offered by most here.
I realize this is all just speculation, and no firm rumor, but I don’t get it. If Padres are making this move focusing on 2020 and 2021, shouldn’t some team that is trying to win in 2019 be willing to pay more?
I realize not every franchise has what it would take, but there are enough contenders with either multiple top prospects or former top prospects with just a year or two of service time that one would think they’d be the high bidder.
A lot of the trades suggested above seem fair to me, but I don’t see why the Padres would do it. When Boston gave up Moncada et al. for Sale they were looking to win right away.
The Padres ownership has been saying since the Hosmer signing that they are looking to improve now, not 2020 or 2021. They have been very vocal about their desire to bring in a “front line starter” for 2019. Fowler and Seidler have both said that the goal was to be .500 in 2018, something they have said disappointed them how far away they were. A goal that has obviously moved to 2019.
I can see Zack Grenkie coming down to San Diego instead,its a low pressure team friendly NL west scenario.I dont know if its a team listed on his NTC. He has 3 years left at 30m+ a year it all comes down to how much money Arizona wants to absorb on Grenkie but if the Padres gets Grenkie at 3 years 75m i can see a trade scenario where top prospects arent involved but AZ can get some value back
Yeah, even if the Padres had to throw in a rule V prospect or two to sweeten the pot they should. Myers needs a change of scenery. Grienke, Reliable as they get but pricey. I’d much rather pay a guy who is going to get the job done than one who complains when his coach asks him to take grounders on a day off. AZ can take him into their environment and make that veteran clubhouse will be better for a guy like Wil. He is a great ball player when healthy, but he isn’t a leader. Which is okay, it’s not his fault.
He had a really good run and the fans fell in love with him quick out here so ownership reacted and rewarded him. With that they gave him responsibility which he just hasn’t been good at. But that’s fine, we realized it and we move on. Maybe a guy like Goldschmidt or Escobar assumes that responsibility from the minute Myers walks into the door which allows him to relax and play more comfortably.
I don’t understand the direction of the Padres at all. What’s the focus? They are loaded with pieces that don’t match. They had a good BP but virtually no SPs. They think they are almost there but lost nearly 100 games.
I could absolutely see a scenario where Myers is flipped to Az for Greinke and cash.
Yeah very likely that could happen, along with a Syndergaard trade. The Padres could be adding two possible aces to their rotation by not adding much in salary.
Grienke’s contract is worth 20 million dollars more than Myers. However, it only has 3 more years left on it. He knows the division and he pitches REALLY well at Petco Park. If Lamb is included more than Myers would have to go back to AZ in my opinion. Maybe a guy like Jacob Nix or Brett Kennedy, plus one of the relievers. Robbie Erlin or Craig Stammen to help that bullpen.
AZ now has Myers locked in long term, with his money more spread out than Grienke’s. Insurance for the eventual Goldschmidt deal. Myers goes back to 1B. A position he played really well for the Padres. Goldschmidt could be used to get a few more major league caliber arms from someone to replace Grienke and Corbin.
Goldschmidt to the Yankees for Sheffield and Adams. They would immediately enter Arizona’s rotation.
Most importantly Myers is gone Padres are happy. Arizona moves Grienke and only have to eat 20 million essentially, so they are happy as well. The Padres also have a clear need for a LH playing third baseman, Lamb is that. He & Villanueva wouldn’t be a terrible combo at the hot corner. It prevents them from having to blow the farm for a guy like Suárez or Franco as well by Lamb being available.
Arizona could hypothetically keep Goldy around until the break, play Myers in one of the outfield corners and see if you can compete. Fixing the bullpen a little which this trade proposal above would also do (Stammen), plus adding Nix or Kennedy to Grienke’s spot in the rotation fills that immediate departure.
There’s a lot to like about this scenario for both teams. I think the Padres really ought to look at the Syndergaard deal seriously along with adding Grienke. Both under control for 3 years. Next years roation:
Syndergaard
Grienke
Lucchesi
Strahm
Lauer/Lamet/Richard
Stammen can be replaced internally. Castillo slides down to the 8th, Wingenter deserves and should be awarded the 7th inning. Wieck, Stock, Maton, Erlin, etc. still in the bullpen which is a huge strength.
Padres need to pull the trigger twice.
Mets get
Austin Hedges,Adrian Morejon,Michel Baez,Jacob Nix,Phil Maton
Padres get
Noah Syndergaard
Mets say no to that.
Padres get
Laughed at
So your offer has a horrendous catcher and 4 minor league pitchers………. Brodie Van Wagenen would die of laughter from that offer. Try substituting Hedges with Meija & two of the other pitchers with Urias and then you would have a legitimate offer.
Arguably the BEST defensive catcher in baseball and you think he is horrendous? We should all die of laughter just reading your post.
Anything beyond that in your post is just ludicrous.
So the Mets are trading 3 years of Noah for quantity and not quality? Good luck with that offer
Did you read the article at all? Here is part of it –
“Utilize Syndergaard as a means of acquiring controllable, MLB-ready pieces to plug into other areas of need on the roster … the Mets have numerous holes throughout the roster and a relatively thin farm system.”
If the Mets trade Syndergaard, they are going to trade him for several players that can fill holes on the major league roster. That is the only reason his trade idea is not feasible. The players themselves would be enough. See my answer below.
The best defensive catcher in baseball, 2 prospects that would immediately be the #1 and #2 prospects in the Mets system, a RHP starting pitcher that would slot in as the 2nd best pitching prospect in the Mets system other than the other two starting pitching prospects coming from the Padres, and a relief pitcher prospect with a 70 fastball.
Not a bad offer at all, but I think with Cespedes gone for at least half the 2019 season and Bruce coming off a disappointing, injury-filled 2018 season, the Mets are going to want a MLB ready corner OF as part of any trade.
Think Renfroe or Reyes. Probably Renfroe. A power hitting RHB (.805 OPS with 26 HR in 403 AB in 2018) who has a cannon for an arm. Slot him in LF or RF and move Conforto to CF.
Then add Morejon or Baez, either of whom would immediately be the #1 prospect in the Mets system. Not #1 pitching prospect, #1 overall prospect in the Mets system.
Add Austin Allen who is a MLB ready catching prospect that hit .290 with 22 HR and a .857 OPS.
Then add Nix or Quantrill, both MLB ready starting pitchers, who would then become the #2 or #3 pitching prospect in the Mets system behind whichever of Morejon or Baez that goes to the Mets in the trade.
People then to forget how good and deep the Padres farm system is.
“Utilize Syndergaard as a means of acquiring controllable, MLB-ready pieces to plug into other areas of need on the roster … the Mets have numerous holes throughout the roster and a relatively thin farm system.”
Thor is a very valuable pitcher no doubt, but in order to continue to even think about contending, which has been Van Wagenen’s mantra since taking the GM job, the Mets have to fill several positions at the major league level. Trading for just prospects won’t do that.
With Cespedes out for at a minimum the first half of the season they need a corner OF. With their catchers so awful, they need MLB ready catcher. Trading away Thor means they need a MLB ready starting pitcher. The Padres have all that and would not have to dip into their prospect base much nor hurt their MLB depth to get it done.
Renfroe or Reyes. Renfroe is more of a certain thing and has 5 years of team control.
The Padres won’t trade Mejia, but Austin Allen is the Padres 2nd best catching prospect and he pretty close to MLB ready.
Eric Lauer or Joey Lucchesi are MLB pitchers and they have several other highly regarded LHP and RHP as well including Strahm, Quantrill, and Nix that are MLB ready.
Then add a good pitching prospect that is in the low minors to the mix like Morejon.
D’Backs have some major needs that are not in their lowly minor leagues system, they need a catcher (Hedges) a centerfielder (Margot) and a bullpen piece maybe a Yates or prospect. If the Padres are wanting a Grienke and Lamb plus cash. Can’t see the D’Backs wanting Myers, only way I see him being included in a deal maybe looking at a 3 team deal involving SD/AZ..
You have to be able to trade Greinke without eating money before you can worry about getting Margot, Hedges amd the like for him.
I don’t see it happening, but I would really like to see the Rays find out what it would take for the Mets to move on Thor. If I was Erik Neander I would offer a package of McKay, Sanchez and Arroyo. McKay and Sanchez are both set to open the season at AA and would be knocking on the MLB door mid 2020, if not before and Arroyo is MLB ready at 3B or 2B and still has 6 full years of control The Rays would be set to run out a rotation headlined by Snell, Thor, and Glasnow next season and the hope of adding a healthy Honeywell to that mix for 2020.
Bull, unless you’re getting a proven Big leaguer back in return
The Mets and Padres don’t match up well for a trade here.
No one mentioned Brad Hand as a part of any package. It would take three top prospects and Hand to get this done. I think that now it’s out there and other teams may make offers, Thor could start a bidding war. Three years of control is huge!
Should I tell him that Brad Hand isn’t a Padre anymore?
Padres get: Thor, Lagares, Frazier
Mets get: Urias, Hedges, paddack, Allen
Lagares and Frazier fit in well with SD on short contracts that bridges the gap to the crop of young players coming up.
Saves the Mets 18 million to spend on FA, replenishes the farm and doesn’t kill them for this year if you consider starting pitcher a strength for them.
Who plays 2B for the Padres if they make that trade?
There is about 10 FA 2b who could be had for reasonable money.
There’s more pitchers that can be had for reasonable money. And considering that the Padres play in a pitcher’s park and their pitching coach has a good reputation it’d be easier to sign a free agent SP and keep Urias (who is controlled 3 years longer than Thor) to play 2B.
I don’t disagree with that statement but there are obviously discussions being had about a trade. Urias is the 4th best prospect (tatis, gore, mejia) in the system, To get a guy like Thor then you will have to give up something and my offer doesn’t even ask for a top 3 prospect like most people expect.
Padres have put all their eggs in one basket at 2B (a basket that is expected to start the 2019 season in the Majors no less). The trade you suggest would involve trading that basket away. Giving up Mejia would honestly make more sense cuz the Padres already have a quality catcher who they control through 2022 in Austin Hedges.
The point of my deal was that met shed payroll with Lagares and Frazier as well as getting very good prospects but not the teams best.
And my point is that the Padres have put all their eggs in one basket at both 2B and SS and aren’t about to trade either of those baskets away.
Nope! He not going anywhere.
Even though Syndergaard has 3-years of club control, I don’t think now is the time for the Padres to get a guy like him.
Would he make the Pads a better team? Absolutely. But to me, he’s a guy to add when you’re a team that believes you have a real shot at getting to the World Series. As of now, SD isn’t a team that has a legit shot at a championship.