The Yankees and Mariners pulled off a blockbuster trade on Monday, when New York sent three prospects – including left-hander Justus Sheffield – to Seattle for southpaw James Paxton. But before that deal went down, there was a possibility of the Yankees returning Sheffield to the Indians, his first professional organization.
Paul Hoynes of cleveland.com reports the Indians likely could have accepted a Sheffield-fronted package for any of Corey Kluber, Carlos Carrasco and Trevor Bauer, whom they’ve discussed with the Yankees. In the end, however, the two sides couldn’t match up, as Hoynes writes that the Mariners placed a higher value on Sheffield than the Indians did. According to Hoynes, Cleveland still likes Sheffield, whom it chose in the first round of the 2014 draft but later traded to the Yankees in a 2016 deal headlined by reliever Andrew Miller. Still, it’s no surprise that the Tribe elected against trading any of its ace-caliber starters to reunite with the 22-year-old Sheffield.
If Cleveland’s going to move Kluber, Carrasco or Bauer, Hoynes relays that it’ll need to receive a return that would unquestionably help the club stay atop the American League Central, a division it has won three years in a row. Conversely, the Mariners don’t figure to contend in 2019, so they were more willing to accept a future-oriented package for Paxton. In addition to the well-regarded Sheffield, Paxton brought back a pair of non-elite prospects in righty Erik Swanson and outfielder Dom Thompson-Williams.
Even if the Indians were to subtract one of Kluber, Carrasco or Bauer, starting pitching wouldn’t be a weak point for the club, as it also counts Mike Clevinger, Shane Bieber, Danny Salazar and Triston McKenzie among its rotation possibilities. The team’s outfield is an obvious concern, on the other hand, and as Kyle Downing of MLBTR pointed out in previewing the Indians’ offseason, it would make more sense for a Kluber, Carrasco or Bauer trade to net them a cheap, controllable solution in that area.
If the Indians do part with any of their three right-handed stars this offseason, each would warrant a greater return than Paxton. The Big Maple, who’s down to his final two years of arbitration eligibility, hasn’t been as durable as any member of Cleveland’s trio. There’s also a rather strong case to be made that he simply isn’t as good as Kluber, Carrasco or Bauer.
Few have been able to combine dominance and durability like the 32-year-old Kluber dating back to his 2014 breakout. The two-time AL Cy Young winner also comes with up to three years of team control. Kluber’s due $17MM next year, and after that, his employer will have decisions to make on a $17.5MM club option in 2020 and an $18MM option in ’21. Barring major injury issues or a noticeable downturn in performance, those options will be exercised.
Like Paxton, both Carrasco and Bauer have two years of team control left. Carrasco will earn $9MM in 2019 and perhaps another $9.5MM by way of a club option in 2020, though that figure could increase based on AL Cy Young voting. Bauer’s future salaries are less certain than his two teammates’, but he’s projected to earn an affordable sum – $11.6MM – in his second-last year of arbitration eligibility. Although the 27-year-old doesn’t yet have the long-term track record of Kluber or Carrasco, Bauer may have been better than both of them in 2018, when he logged a 2.21 ERA/2.44 FIP with 11.34 K/9 and 2.93 BB/9 in 175 1/3 innings.
It’s unclear whether the Indians will trade any of their three No. 1 starters in the coming months, but their futures will undoubtedly be among the majors’ most interesting storylines this offseason. Kluber, Carrasco and Bauer, along with Noah Syndergaard (Mets), Zack Greinke (Diamondbacks), Madison Bumgarner (Giants) and free agents Patrick Corbin and Dallas Keuchel, appear to be the best starters who have at least some chance to end up on the move prior to the 2019 campaign.
ghostofgradysizemore
I’d think Kluber or Carrasco is more likely to be on the move given their age. Bauer might end up being the Tribe’s best starter again next year.
GareBear
Or it was a career year for a player who has shown immaturity and stubbornness in his career. He looks like a guy who will be solid or better over the next few years but I would be willing to bet he regresses considerably next year.
Polish Hammer
Or a guy that was always highly regarded despite being stubborn and immature and finally took that next step to being a great pitcher after showing flashes of good things. Don’t draft him for your fantasy baseball, but I’m sure the real baseball people wouldn’t hesitate to add them to roster.
dabigd
Bauer is too flakey to be a Yankee. They wouldn’t put up with his attitude or Twitter BS.
Mattimeo09
Yeah they only trade for players known for their maturity.
Like A-Rod
jh8913
Exactly the same arod who is now a booth commentator for ESPN and just wrapped up a trip to Europe to promote the game for mlb
slider32
Yanks made their trade for Paxton, ther next move will be a free agent. They will not deplete their system any further. They want to be able to make moves at the deadline if need be.
deweybelongsinthehall
Probably right Slider but they are now in a position from strength and the Indians for example may still eventually come back to Cashman if the Yankees’ last offer was still viewed as the best. The Indians however should not be able to squeeze out a prospect the Yankees don’t want to give up.
Wahoo What a Finish!
The Indians have to do something drastic to shore up their outfield for 2019. As bad as the AL Central is the Indians may have the worst outfield of any team in the division. Pitching only gets you so far… if you have 2-3 automatic outs in your lineup that will simply get you swept out of the playoffs by a far superior team.
sufferforsnakes
Do not trade Bauer.
Burgeezy
Why? His value may very well be higher than that of Kluber’s or Carrasco’s due to age and recent performance. He has two years remaining and due to his stupid rule of not signing more than a 1 year deal at a time he likely won’t be open to an extension and therefore will be gone after two years.
Michael Chaney
You took the words right out of my mouth. I absolutely love Bauer, but if there’s one they trade then he should be the one.
tharrie0820
Stupid rule AKA won’t sign a stupidly team friendly deal
Burgeezy
This is a stupid comment. He has stated many times that he will never sign more than 1 year deals because he made a bet with his friend. If he does sign a contract more than 1 year his friend gets to shoot him in the nuts with a paintball gun and point blank range.
johnrealtime
I have a feeling he’s going to be getting shot with a paintball gun once he hits free agency
Burgeezy
I honestly do too and I hope that he posts it on twitter, but he has been adamant about not signing a multiyear deal thus far.
sufferforsnakes
Because I don’t believe in trading quality major league starting pitching.
What are most playoff teams looking for right now? Starting pitching. Why? Because no matter how bad a team’s offense is at times, quality starting pitching can carry them to the postseason.
Plus, why help the enemy?
Burgeezy
While I agree that pitching > hitting, if you’re going to deal a starter why exclude Bauer? However, dealing from a position of depth to fill other holes makes sense especially for small market teams.
sufferforsnakes
If I had to deal one, it would be Cookie. Bauer has only gotten better and better, year after year, since coming to Cleveland.
NotaGM
How so? Last season was the only season his era wasnt over 4.00 & kept a whip under 1.3….plus has averaged about 175 IP.
His career is more of a backend option so take the chance and trade him now.
sufferforsnakes
Your name says it all.
John Deas
Trade the guy who just had the career year and will probably go back to career averages next year.
rybussell
Actually Bauer has been on fire since the 2017 ASG…
Houston We Have A Solution
Dodgers should offer Alex Verdugo and Andrew Toles in a a deal for Kluber. You toss out Kershaw and Kluber and buehler not many teams have a better 3 than that. And you know the old adage. You can never have enough pitching.
longlivethechief
Why would the Indians want Toles?
Michael Chaney
Verdugo is a natural headliner but Toles shouldn’t really move the needle for them
rock6622
In my mind it’d be Verdugo, Wood (gives Indians a decent look from the left side which I don’t think they have) and then a couple lower tier prospects equivalent to the ones the Yankees gave up for Paxton.
rock6622
^for Kluber
baseball1600
Haha Verdugo and Ruiz gets it started.
pinstripes17
That’s no where near enough for any of those tree pitchers, start with Verdugo, Pederson or Puig and Ruiz and maybe the Indians can add Gomes. And why would Cleveland want Toles?
sportsnut969
Any Dodger Deal Starts with
Alex Verdugo
Plus
Keibert Ruiz + Cristian Santana + Dustin May for Kluber
if you want Gomes also then also add Gavin Lux + Jordan Sheffield to the deal.
I did not add the Dodgers to my earlier post cause I just do not see them as a serious trade partner they have the pieces to put a deal together but I just do not see it happening.
bigkempin
Gomes=Lux? At that cost LA would just resign Grandal.
dabigd
I see why the Yankees couldn’t make a deal. Cleveland probably asked for Sheffield, Torres, Andujar, plus.
pinstripes17
Lux will have more value to the Dodgers than Gomes will.
sufferforsnakes
Agreed.
sufferforsnakes
Your proposal is almost identical to what I’ve been saying since this all started, only I didn’t have May included. But it does make sense to include him.
I really like the Santana kid. I got to watch him several times this year, and he can really hit, along with playing a pretty decent 3B.
heater
Massive overpay for either of those guys imo. At that price LA just spends money on SP and C. No team will ever fleece Friedman. Bank on it.
steelehere83
Why would the Indians want to trade for Cristian Santana when they can get him for free? The Dodgers left him unprotected for the Rule 5 Draft
Adam6710
I still think there’s a chance the Yankees deal for one of those starters. The Indians want an outfielder and ML ready prospects. The Yankees have Hicks (who if dealt could make a signing of Harper more plausible, and Andujar (same for Machado). They also have Clint Frazier who was also involved in the Miller trade, and infield prospects Albert Abreu and Esteban Florial (who we know the Indians like as they wanted him in the proposed deal for Carrasco) to fill out a solid package for someone like Kluber.
acarneglia
I agree with you. Maybe Frazier or Hicks or Andujar and Loasiga, and someone else for CC, CK, or TB. Probably going to need more coming from the Yankees
thegreatcerealfamine
Dude, if you trade Hicks, who’s gonna play CF?
longlivethechief
Why would the Indians trade for Hicks? Their goal is to get young players who will help reduce payroll constraints.
thegreatcerealfamine
They wouldn’t, and neither would the Yankees trade their starting CF. I have no idea what these people are thinking.
pinstripes17
Trading Hicks wouldn’t make sense for ether team, Indians want team control, and Yankees need their stud CF. Maybe the Yanks can offer an extension, especially if he keeps improving every season like he has the past two years.
Adam6710
Aaron Hicks is 28 and making 3M. Their goal, as stated in this article, is to stay atop the division in 2019, which Hicks would help them accomplish. I am not saying he WILL be traded, but he would be an option as part of a larger package, and someone who could slot into a major league role in a pennant race. He has power, and is an elite defensive center fielder. Package him with a top prospect or two, and someone like Andujar (a young contrtollable major league star), and it would be enough.
The larger point is that I don’t agree that just because they lost their top prospect, and just because they got Paxton, that the Yankees are not going to make the attempt, and couldn’t acquire one of the Indians starters, if they really wanted to.
Slevin
If you make those moves than who plays center like Cereal said? Gardner-no, Frazier-no, Sign Harper to play CF-no, so who?
billneftleberg
Why trade for kluber when you can keep your C.F.and prospects and sign Corbin? Indian wishful thinking
Adam6710
There are plenty of reasons to question Hicks’ inclusion in atrade with Cleveland, but “who will play center for the Yankees” isn’t one of them.
If Hicks was moved, the Yankees could sign AJ Pollock, or worse case play Gardner, or Frazier if he were retained. I’m sure the Yankees would much rather play Gardner in CF and have Kluber as their #1 starter, than Hicks and Corbin as their #3.
Yankees would be dealing from strength (offense) to fill a position of desperate need (top line SP). Likewise, a good center fielder is a lot easier to find than a pitcher of Kluber’s caliber.
As for why Kluber over Corbin? Corbin wants a 5-6 year deal, and is not nearly as good as Kluber. I’m sorry, he’s had a good few years, but Corbin is not a front of the rotation arm, and definitely not elite like Kluber.
The Yankees want to win RIGHT NOW and they can’t do it with a patchwork rotation, but they can do it without Hicks. As for the farm, they just added the likes of Judge, Torres, Severino and Andujar from the minors; they don’t need to have a productive farm for another 2-3 years, and they just added some 20 new international players mid season.
rivera42
Did you just suggest Hicks, a prospect or two, AND Andujar for one of Cleveland’s starters? Yeah, that not a huge overpay at all. Oh, and Hicks isn’t going anywhere.
Slevin
Ignore these guys.
billysbballz
Hicks will be30, not28!
angler
Ellsbury? 🙂
Adam6710
I would be very impressed if Cashman managed to unload Ellbury at all, even for a long shot single A prospect, and even if they eat most of his contract, and even if Ellsbury agreed to a deal.
In short, he’s not going anywhere, and there’s no way they even let him near the ML roster.
slider32
Gardy and Harper!
steelerbravenation
Stop with the Kluber to the Yankees nonsense. He is not getting traded there. Cleveland is retooling not rebuilding why would the trade their ace to what would likely be a major competitor to them in the playoffs.
I would love Kluber for the Braves but I face reality and see that we don’t have the MLB ready now OFers the Indians need so I realize that trade will not happen.
With that being said I see the Padres as the best match for Kluber. Renfroe, Gore & A 15-20 organizational prospect.
Polar Girl
Not even for both Andujar and Frazier?
thegreatcerealfamine
Frazier doesn’t have any value at this point, so no.
Polar Girl
He might to Cleveland who is obviously familiar to them and needs an outfielder.
angler
I agree. If NYY wont play him why do they think anyone should give top assets for.
thegreatcerealfamine
Nobody feels that way, just read @steelerbravenation’s last post.
Polar Girl
Because NY has it’s corner OF filled?
steelerbravenation
NY won’t play him cause of the concussion issues
Polar Girl
NY didn’t play him because they were in a playoff run and had more proven and outright better options.
That doesn’t mean they won’t in 2019 if he isn’t traded.
Polar Girl
I never stated “top” assets. Just some value above zero like you stated.
steelerbravenation
They didn’t play him because he had serious concussion issues. Had them all year every time he would make it back they would pop up again. He would of definitely had his chance when Judge went down.
Polar Girl
Unfortunately, when Judge did go down, it was a time Frazier did as well. Bad timing.
pinstripes17
He would to Cleveland, who needs young controllable outfielders, when healthy he still should be a major contributor. But he wouldn’t be the headliner, That should be Florial
slider32
Frazier is a big time sleeper this year, most great players start to be real good at 24. I’m expecting big things from him this year. He is a better player than Austin Meadows when healthy.
mathblaster
They don’t want him. It’s already been reported that the Indians have no interest
mobile.twitter.com/MaxWildstein/status/10613355802…
Kluber would take wayyyyyy more than Andujar + throw in damaged goods prospects overrated by Yankees fans
steelerbravenation
Frazier is on absolutely no radar nobody knows how his concussion issues will be going forward.
He could turn into Ryan Church for anybody knows.
I also see a potential match with the Brewers, Dodgers, Astros, Phillies & Nats.
Adam6710
I think that is the core of a package the Indians would accept, I just don’t believe the Yankees would do it. They should, though.
billneftleberg
No your stupid why trade for Joyner when you can sign Corbin and keep the prospects
billneftleberg
damn autocorrect on my tablet. how does it see kluber as Joyner anyway?
Bocephus
Especially since they’ve traded so much prospect depth over the last two years. You’re most definitely right on just signing Corbin.
longlivethechief
Would be an interesting proposal. It would be cool to see the Indians get Josh Naylor and see the Naylor bros together in a few years.
angler
Pull in a 3rd team such as Arizona, Rangers, Royals for the OF piece. Use pitching prospect inventory to move piece to Cleveland.
Polish Hammer
Makes sense, it was how they got Bauer to begin with in a 3-way deal with Cincy and Arizona.
Samuel
Didi Gregorius went from Cinci to Cle to Arizona to make that deal happen.
A team like Atlanta could move prospects to the Royals for Soler. That’s a big, inexpensive OF bat the Indians would like. Get them another quality youngster and that’s it.
sufferforsnakes
Hehehehe…..you do have one major league ready outfielder to trade for Kluber — Acuna.
Tenn Braves
Not. Braves aren’t that desperate or stupid.
sufferforsnakes
Humor much?
tony gwynn
No way on Gore for Kluber. His age doesn’t fit with the Padres rebuilding hopes. Padres will still have trouble hitting .500 next year, maybe .500 in 2020, and if the pieces fall favorably, they can make a run at a wild card in 2021. Gore will be part of that 2021 team, not a 35 year Kluber.
Polar Girl
Since the Indians are looking for 2019 MLB impact in return, trading Kluber for Andujar makes the most sense especially if the Yankees give back Frazier to fill the Indians’ outfield as well. Frazier has enough MLB AB to be disqualified from prospect classification. The Andujar/Frazier combo would be a big 2019 offensive upgrade for the Indians.
thegreatcerealfamine
So who’s gonna play third? The Yankees already have a hole at short with Didi out, why in the world would they want to add another hole?
Polar Girl
Machado.
thegreatcerealfamine
Machado plays shortstop, and it’s a needless expenditure.
Polar Girl
Your question wasn’t, “who would I like to see play 3B”? It was who will.
The Yankees will sign him and play him at 3B eventually if not right away where Machado did play in past and would again to be a Yankee.
thegreatcerealfamine
You’re totally confusing. Machado may have played third in the past, but it’s well documented what he wants to do now now…PLAY SHORTSTOP! If you follow the Yankees you’d know their needs are, Pitching and a left-handed bat. Everybody has wants and hopes, but they rarely come true.
Polar Girl
They need to trade Andujar for pitching.
Even after publicly stating he prefers to play SS, Machado did state he’d be willing to play 3B.
steelerbravenation
If you follow Machado you know he said he would play 3rd for the Yankees because that is where he wants to go. That is not a secret and he has been wide open with his desire to play for the Yankees.
I see the Yankees signing him and letting him play SS until DiDi recovers and then move him to 3B. Then move Andujar to DH until next offseason and either trade Andujar or move him to 1B if Bird or Voit don’t prove the position to be theirs.
Yankees sign Corbin during winter meetings or maybe Happ cause the money/years will be cheaper.
Polar Girl
They’ll likely trade Andujar for pitching with Corbin being the backup plan.
Like I’ve been posting earlier, Frazier would be a secondary but potentially useful piece for the Indians with Andujar being the primary.
JKB 2
On Machado only plays SS? Silly me.
JKB 2
Polar girl I read his post the same way.
thegreatcerealfamine
Please stop posting about the Yankees needs, because you evidently don’t follow them. Regardless of whether Machado would be willing to play short for the Yankees, it’s a needless expenditure when they are set at third, Torres can play short, and if they sign anything it will be a cheap middle infielder.
thegreatcerealfamine
Either or JKB, the Yankees don’t need Machado.
thegreatcerealfamine
ey just chill.
steelerbravenation
They may not need Machado but that doesn’t mean they won’t sign him. Hal has said he wants a face to face meeting with Machado. In order for him to be interested in a meeting there has to be some level of interest.
Slevin
Owners say a lot of things. What do your Braves owners say? He’s not the only Yankees fan that doesn’t want Machado, because most don’t. Just read the majority of the posts over the last week or so. Good God…
steelerbravenation
I agree most don’t but don’t act like it’s not a strong possibility or even a probablity fact of the matter is the interest from the owner is there now matter what a fan may think the team needs are.
yanks02026
Actually its well knowing that he is open to playing third for certain teams.
yanks02026
Actually they do need Machado.. The Yankees sucked when it came to hitting for contact and they sucked with RISP.. Machado hits for contact and is also very good with RISP, he also plays gold glove D at 3rd unlike Andujar who was the worse 3rd basemen in baseball. Also Machado don’t strike out much
Slevin
Hal said he wanted a sit down to gauge where Machado was coming from with all the negative media. If you followed the team closely than you’d know there’s been many conflicting stories on both Machado, and Harper. I follow all the Yankees blogs, beat writers, and TV shows as I’m sure you do on the Braves. Finally Hal has also talked openly about the luxury threshold, and not believing in a need to win with the highest of payrolls.
billneftleberg
No your stupid why trade for Joyner when you can sign Corbin and keep the prospects
No interest in clevelands pitching once Paxton was acquired. It’s that simple
Darryl Rose
If Machado signs with the Yankees he would have already agreed to moving to third when Didi comes back.
He would be a temporary SS only unless Didi didn’t come back for left for free agency
But there is no doubt. If he signs – He would have agreed to play third.
steelerbravenation
Yankees are already under the threshold and why exactly would an owner of a team sit down with a free agent just to talk about his comments
It is to see if he can say all the right things and see if he could sell himself to the team he has always wanted to play for.
Bocephus
Go back and read the actual comments from the Yankees, because you’re way off base. What do care anyway?
Bocephus
Your autocorrect strikes again. Don’t worry I understood what you meant. The Yankees can sign pitching. Some of these people are way, way out there.
Melchez
The Yankees could trade Andujar and get some very good players in return. D’Backs, he could be the centerpiece for a Grienke trade… or a Goldschmidt trade… to the Cards for one of their starters… the Indians for one of their starters. Or to any number of teams for prospects.
Sign Machado for short. Moose for third. Let Didi walk because he might not play til July and how good will he be after so much time off?
Andujar, Bird, Torreyes, Gray for Thor?
Slevin
And have a 280 million dollar payroll..geesh Now I’ve read it all. Put it down guy.
norcalguardiansfan
As an Indians fan it it humorous to see Yankees fans assume that their Machado discussion is in any way interesting…..
….. but, I would like to point out that Frazier’s injury problems make him a very questionable prospect and while Andujar is a very attractive hitter, his fielding at the hot corner is awful. His WAR for this year was just 2.2. Granted, we would get him for 5 years, but Kluber has been the best pitcher in the AL for the last five years and you would get him and his 5.9 WAR (in 2018, his average over five years is higher than that) for three years. Yes, pitching and hitting WAR are not direct comps, but it would not be unfair to say Kluber was twice as valuable as Andjuar last year.
A couple salient points:
1) we need at least one top quality outfielder who can start for us next year. Ellsbury doesn’t cut it. Neither does Frazier.
2) Andujar is very interesting and gets our attention, but he isn’t enough by a long shot.
3) Frazier might be ok as icing on the cake once a basic deal is hammered out, but his injury history is just too worrisome.
4) we need relief pitchers.
5) we like prospects…..just sayin’.
John Deas
I’m an O’s fan, and Machado is a much better 3B than SS. I believe that if a team offers him the most money, he will play 3B again.
User 589131137
The Paxon Trade is nowhere near the sort of barometer Antonetti should be looking at for a potential starter trade.
And no Yankees, Clint Frazier is no longer a prospect worth considering. Neither is Andujar, considering the drop off last year.
pojack
The dropoff for Andujar? What are you talking about?
pinstripes17
The drop Off? so being second in the ROY voting means he fell off? Lay off the kush, bruh.
uberalec
This guy has no idea what he’s talking about. Andujar literally just played his Rookie year. There was no “drop off”.
Adam6710
Not only did he not drop off, he played better than anyone expected. Defense was always the concern, so his weakness there was no surprise, and I fully expect him to improved defensively in 2019. Recall he was only called up because of Brandon Drury’s injury– they always wanted him to get more seasoning in the minors..
Jean Matrac
“…his weakness there was no surprise…”
That doesn’t make it any more palatable. No one knows how much other teams like, or dislike, Andujar, including the Indians, but I can guarantee you some teams aren’t that high on him due to his poor defense..It would definitely make some teams hesitant about acquiring him.
Samuel
The Red Sox just won the WS with a 3B that was worse than Andujar on defense.
No one in their right mind lays out an additional $30 mm a year to improve defense @ 3B.
Stop it.
Bruin1012
Devers was not worse at 3rd then Andujar, he made more errors but he wasn’t worse defensively.
Michael Chaney
Nobody mentions the Braves enough as a suitor, but they seem like the best fit to me. AA is always open to a big trade, and to me they match up perfectly because they have a ton of MLB-ready talent (both pitchers and position players). The Brewers are a good fit for many of the same reasons.
Erie4312
I dont want the braves to trade for Kluber bc SP is not our biggest need plus we have to give up MLB talent
If we did it would look something like this
Inciarte, Riley, and a middle tier prospect
That leaves two outfield positions open which makes the off-season for ATL a lot harder
steelerbravenation
Exactly!!!!
angler
I noted this above – why wouldn’t the Braves try to pull in a 3rd team to pull in the OF piece in order to get this done? This doesn’t need to be a 1/1 deal. We have more pitching than spots – push pitching to a 3rd team to get Indians the OF piece.
imindless
Mixing it up here but what about goldy and souza to indians for carrasco and mckenzie and gomez? Then arizona could trade Greinke for other postional pieces, indians would get a better bat for middle of the lineup and an average outfielder. Just an idea.
Michael Chaney
Ah yes, so the Indians can add even more salary to their record payroll and trade their top prospect for a very average outfielder
sufferforsnakes
Sure, because Cleveland needs another 1B.
Polish Hammer
With a proposal like that you certainly are mindless…
steelerbravenation
Braves best fit is Greinke they have $$$ to take on a good portion of the contract. He is from the area & they are a mid-market for his anxiety issues.
Acquiring him would be like signing an ace for less years than what you would get him for on the open market. Also his decline will coincide with Newcomb, Folty, Soroka & Touki’s development so where Greinke will be overpaid the rest of the rotation will be underpaid.
It will leave other prospects to aquire a catcher & OF.
sportsnut969
IMO I still see the Yankees, Padres and Braves as being the best possible trade match up partners for any deal for any one of Kluber, Bauer or Carassco.
Any trade that would bring back a couple quality controlable young offensive talents and a couple of high to mid level prospect is what it will take for the Indians to move any 1 or 2 of the top 3. this will be a retool on the fly not a full blown rebuild.
The only way I see them dealing 2 of the 3 is if they are confident that Triston McKenzie is very close to the majors and they expect him to debut at some point this season.
types of deals that I believe it would take for the Indians to pull the trigger on a deal
Yankees
Gleyber Torres or Miguel Andújar + Clint Frazier + Jonathan Loaisiga + Deivi Garcia
Padres
Hunter Renfroe or Franmil Reyes + MacKenzie Gore + Josh Naylor + Luis Urías
Braves
Ozzie Albies or Johan Camargo + Adam Duvall + Drew Waters + Travis Demeritte
Erie4312
Indians want mire than duval for their outfield in braves trade
They want more
Friarfaithful117
Urias probably won’t be moved in a deal like this
steelerbravenation
That Brave scenario would never happen Albies & Acuna are tied at the hip. They trade 1 and you have no idea how it effects the other. I could see Camargo being moved but why do that when Riley could be moved. Again Indians are going to want to know what they are getting for Kluber, Carrasco or Bauer.
Still say Padres best match but not for what you propose. That is to much.
Renfroe, Gore & Buddy Reed
Gives Tribe payroll flexibility to sign a bounce back type OF
pinstripes17
Torres and Albies aren’t being moved, and i’m sure Andujar and Urias won’t be either.
dabigd
WhiteyFordSr. Cleveland wants more than Cashman is willing to pay.
54scooterb
Corey Kluber to the Cubs, for Jose Quintana & Ian Happ.
JKB 2
Interesting proposed trade. I can see it happening
Samuel
lol
Michael Chaney
Andujar is a future first baseman or DH who’s allergic to drawing walks. He’s a young Mark Trumbo with more upside. Frazier has a troubling recent concussion history. I can’t see the Indians taking an offer headlined by either of them.
If you’re trading an ace, you need to know you’re getting back more than question marks.
adshadbolt
Andujar has much more hitting ability than trumbo ever did. Yes he has defensive issues, but he has great hitting ability he does not just sell out for homers he will take his single to right is he has to unlike trumbo, he is also 22 years old he has time to become a good defender. Remember how bad a defender Marcus simien was two years ago and now this year he was up for a gold glove, sometimes it just takes time.
Michael Chaney
Both of those are very fair points
Adam6710
I also take umbrage with the prediction that he’s a future first baseman. Until I see how he plays in 2019, i’m not sold on the idea that he can’t improve. Cano had defensive concerns in 2005 too. If he can just become adequate defensively it will be more than enough to keep him at the hot corner if his bat stays as it is, or even close to it. Offensively, he’s only 23, and could very well improve.
Point is, one rookie season does not a career make, good or bad. Let’s see how he does in 2019 before declaring him the next Trumbo OR the next Machado.
steelerbravenation
I only see him becoming a 1st baseman because I see Machado signing with the Yankees this offseason and playing SS until DiDi recovers and then moving to 3rd. I don’t think Bird or Voit will run away with the 1st base position. With Andujar struggles throwing the ball what better place to move him to than 1st. His footwork is fine his problem is throwing the ball. Sometimes he rushes throws he doesn’t have to and sometimes he holds the ball longer than he should.
Horace
Upvoted solely for the use of “umbrage” in a sentence.
Jean Matrac
“…i’m not sold on the idea that he can’t improve.”
That’s reasonable, but if the discussion is about Andujar as a possible trade chip, then there is a question about how valuable he is. I don’t think many teams would be willing to give up valuable pieces in the hope that he improves with the glove. They certainly would be if they felt he could transition to 1B or DH, since the bat is so good. But those defensive numbers are horrendous, and any improvement would need to be great for a lot of teams.
rivera42
Transition to DH? Eh? What is required to actually transition to DH?
Jean Matrac
“Remember how bad a defender Marcus simien (sic) was two years ago…”
The trouble is Semien wasn’t nearly as bad as Andujar. Semien’s worst year was probably 2017 when he had a -9 DRS, and a -6.2 UZR/150. Last season Andujar had a -25 DRS, and a -24.1 UZR/150. He has to improve greatly if he wants to stay a 3B. Not sure that much improvement can be expected or even hoped for.
uberalec
Andujar has a much better high contact profile going forward than Trumbo ever did. Scouts loved Andujar’s bat, and he showed why. The kid is going to be a .300-315 hitter going forward, but low walk rate, very similar to Baez… Sadly for the Yanks, without the defense.
A deal with the Indians probably starts and ends with Florial.
Adam6710
If Florial is the only major piece the Indians wanted, the Yankees would have Carrasco already. They want Florial AND another major piece, at least.
dabigd
WhiteyFordSr said and if your ace needs Tommy John surgery coming out of spring training??????
bobtillman
Again I’d suggest piggy-backing one of the higher Indians contracts to go along with Kluber. Let’s remember the guy is HUGE, impactful, controllable and cheap (relatively) player….you’re not going to get him for some of the middling prospects that have been mentioned here.
I can see Houston taking on Kluber and EE (they have a need) for a #5-10 type prospect and somebody in the #11-20 range. Not that those numbers mean much, but it keeps them away from trading their best ones. Toss in a couple of lottery tickets to appease the fans.
And BTW Padre fans, stop trying to shop Gore. Like a young Kershaw, he’s still growing into his body, and so the numbers aren’t wonderful. But he’s going to be VERY, VERY good.
I’m not prospect-crazy, but there’s some you don’t trade.
tony gwynn
100% agree. Don’t trade Gore, especially not for an older veteran with limited control in their competitive window. Just don’t do it.
Benjamin560
Cleveland could offer a package centered around Mitch Haniger for some their young pitching. It’d be costly, but if they need outfield help, that’s one idea.
Steve Roberts
I look for the Reds and Indians to hook up on a trade.
Melchez
Is Ryan Merritt still considered an option for the rotation? The guy was fantastic and supposedly a front runner for a rotation spot last year. Then I hadn’t heard anything about him. He’s only pitched 31 inning in the majors and yet it says he exceeded rookie limits?
Polish Hammer
He has hurt and then didn’t show much so they DFAd him. He just signed a minor league deal with Tampa 2 weeks ago.
Chris Giarraputo
If the Yanks pull off a trade it will have to be a 3 team deal. We have plenty of young pitching. Find a rebuilding team with lots of outfield prospects but need pitching depth in minors.
Sorry guys- a Yankee- Cleveland straight up trade won’t work. We don’t have the assests they want. I love the creativity but, think it through more. Seattle pretty much gave us Paxton. Sheff is not going to be a top pitcher. He may be very good but he doesn’t do even 1 thing great- nothing stands out that will make teams NEED him. Last 2 years he has been ok not great or amazing.
Dipoto is a clown. For the haul he got he should have held on to him and trade him by the deadline. Risk- he gets injured. Reward? He pitches great and they get a bidding war for him. And why trade him so early? We’re the offers that bad? He has been injured but besides his TJS they are minor and his arm is strong from low innings pitched and he already had TJ and probability of a 2nd is low. Houston needs to keep payroll down as they are not the Yanks or Boston and Boston has no prospects. Atlanta must want to spend $ not prospects and philly is going FA route it seems.
From my reading I can’t understand why Paxton was given away so early. Unless- Dipoto knows something the league doesn’t. But the Yanks always do their due diligence so I’m confused. I would have tried bundling Diaz and Paxton. Top SP and rising closer coming off a great year. That would restock your system and Houston imo would jump at that with 3/5 starters injured or FA and they need a closer.
stymeedone
So you’re saying no team should ever make a deal early in the off-season? For all the Yankees fans that talked up Sheffield as being untouchable, right up to the day he was traded, and have now decided he’s nothing special, I hope he lives up to the hype, for someone else’s team.
Slevin
Not all of us did that. Fans of all teams fall in love with prospects too much, and it’s kind of embarrassing sometimes.
billneftleberg
youre wrong you vastly under rate swanson . the M’s won that deal. I understand why cashman did it since he wants to win now. but seattle got 2 controllable starters. . many see Swanson as potentially better than Sheffield
steelerbravenation
Yankees are already under the threshold and why exactly would an owner of a team sit down with a free agent just to talk about his comments
It is to see if he can say all the right things and see if he could sell himself to the team he has always wanted to play for.
Slevin
Just worry about your trade proposals for Teheran.
steelerbravenation
Nowhere have I heard or read Swanson as being comprable to Sheffield
ChiSoxCity
Just give all the best pitchers and position players to the Yankees. Then we can sut around and listen to the media about how great the Yankees are, and how baseball needs them in the playoffs and WS every year blah blah blah. You want crickets for ratings MLB, go right ahead and do it. I don’t need to waste hours of my life watching rigged sports. You’ll be doing me and millions like me a favor.
Bocephus
They already have “crickets for ratings”. The ratings were down again this year even with two of the largest market teams playing in the World Series.
steelerbravenation
Ratings are down cause of how late the damn games start on the east coast it’s crazy how late those games go off when ppl gotta get up to go to work early
Begamin
Imagine being this bitter simply because the White Sox are a complete joke and no one wants to play for them. Maybe in 10 more years theyll champs once more but sheesh pal how can a White Sox fan complain about low ratings when no one shows up to watch your bum team?
ChiSoxCity
Where do you see me complaining about low ratings? Seriously, that’s all you got out of my post? I bet you’re a very successful person, what with your massive I.Q. and cognitive skills.
JKB 2
Why are you critical of ChiSoxCity for correctly pointing out that MLB playoff start times are insanely starting to late which hurts ratings and the game … ChiSoxCity was correct!
Then you insult White Sox fans and call them bitter? What is your problem. Why so angry?
He was right. You are wrong.
ChiSoxCity
Um, what?
Begamin
I personally do not believe the Indians will trade any of their SP. Maybe a Bauer trade could take place but I think Cleveland is still trying their best to contend, and in order to contend you need SP.
BalcoBomber
Maybe a ‘b’ starter like Salazar to the A’s?
Polish Hammer
Buy low sell high. Salazar had great value for a moment, now he’s worth much less. Worth more for Tribe to hope he rebounds then to sell at pennies on the dollar.
JKB 2
Yea true but they would be trading from depth and they desperately need some young controllable outfield talent so it probably will happen. They need to shed some payroll it appears so I expect it to be one of their good veteran starter. They will still have a very nice starting rotation.
BalcoBomber
Maybe part of a 3 team deal involving Salazar and the A’s. I’ve liked the guy ever since I had him on my fantasy team 2 years ago.
slider32
Yanks made their trade for Paxton, ther next move will be a free agent. They will not deplete their system any further. They want to be able to make moves at the deadline if need be.
slider32
The Indians know they are chasing the Sox, Yanks, and Astros at this point. They need to make some moves to get better. Their strength is thieir starting pitching, with Clevenger and Beiber they are in great shape. They have been one of the top teams in signing good pitchers.
Braves/DbacksFan
What do Tribe fans think of Folty and a package headlined by him? Gives a pitcher to step right into the rotation, has 3 years of control left and will make less than half of what Kluber will. Add in Demeritte and Ynoa.
Samuel
Can Folty play the OF, hit RH @ .270 / .335 with 20-30 HR’s and 80-100 RBI? He also needs to be under control for at least a few years for a reasonable salary.
Then we’ll talk prospects.
Those starters are on team friendly contracts.
norcalguardiansfan
How about Folty and Inciarte?
Erie4312
thats like 8 combined years for two, also factor in cost
I would not do it as braves fan though thats prob what the Tribe wants
norcalguardiansfan
Well, it’s three controllable years of Kluber, not two, but the point is taken. He suggested Foltynewicz and I like Inciarte. The two of them individually aren’t as good as Kluber. I just wondered how the two together would play.
Erie4312
they may not be as good individually but it would leave more holes than it would fill
Just let our young pitchers develop rather then getting an ace
Braves/DbacksFan
Losing Inciarte would hurt. Not sure I would do that.
Erie4312
If Braves are involved Inciarte will most likely be involved
Samuel
Doubt the Indians want him.
An injury-prone guy depending on his speed.
The same Indians FO made a mistake with ex-Brave Michael Bourn. They’re not about to pay that price again. Ever.
Erie4312
he is only one season removed from 200 hits and has multiple gold gloves
he is not injury prone
norcalguardiansfan
A couple things:
Bourne was a good fielder when he came to Cleveland but he wasn’t as good as Inciarte.
Inciarte is a couple years younger than Bourne was at the time of the trade.
Inciarte is controllable for up to four years at a pretty reasonable rate.
I don’t see where he is all that injury prone. He had a couple years of 130 games for Arizona and he’s been over 150 for Atlanta.
If he is offered to Cleveland, they should pay attention. I wonder if Atlanta would do Inciarte for Gomes?
Erie4312
that really doesnt help bc then we have to fill two outfield spots
I want to hang on to Inciarte
sufferforsnakes
I love reading the comments on here. Lots of insanity flowing…..