With the GM Meetings now wrapped up, the stage is set for the offseason action to get underway. Of course, we’re still waiting for some significant dominoes to fall … and everyone involved is no doubt curious to see how this year’s market will develop after the 2017-18 dud. Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports cites some warning signs on spending levels; readers interested in the higher-level picture will want to give his reasoning a look.
While we wait for some hard data points to be set down, the just-completed meetings left quite a few rumors. We’ve covered many over the past several days; here are a few more worthy of note:
- Though the Yankees seem unsettled at first base, Jon Heyman of Fancred reports that they haven’t reached out to the Diamondbacks on slugger Paul Goldschmidt. The potential rental slugger, one of the game’s steadiest offensive producers, is reportedly on the trading block. While the Yankees got stunning production from Luke Voit over a brief stretch late last year, and still have Greg Bird on hand, it wouldn’t be surprising if they sought to add a bigger piece.
- Unsurprisingly, the Bronx organization seems fixated first on pitching. Beyond its free agent targets, the club is looking into the biggest possible names on the trade market. Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic tweets that the Yanks have opened a line of communication with the Mariners on James Paxton. And the New York delegation to the GM Meetings met with their peers from the Indians, per Jon Heyman of Fancred (via Twitter), with Corey Kluber and Carlos Carrasco both covered in conversation. It obviously isn’t at all surprising to hear that the Yankees have checked in on these distinguished hurlers, but it’s nevertheless a notable bit of information as the market continues to develop.
- There are quite a few possibilities for the Padres, writes Dennis Lin of The Athletic (subscription link), as the organization is feeling a need to show some real strides in the win-loss department. We’ve heard chatter recently about the desire for a young starter and the series of potential trade pieces, but Lin’s most interesting notes seem to focus on the left side of the infield. Manny Machado is not seen internally as a realistic target, with Freddy Galvis still under consideration at short. If the team really wants to push things forward, though, Galvis or another veteran may only warm the seat up for top prospect Fernando Tatis Jr. At third, Josh Donaldson does not appear to be the first name on the club’s list of targets. Rather, says Lin, the current plan is to seek a new third baseman via trade.
- So, where have the Padres set their sights for a third baseman? There aren’t many obviously available options that would figure to represent everyday pieces. Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reported recently, though, that the Pads are interested in pursuing Reds third baseman Eugenio Suarez, who recently posted a big campaign on the heels of what now looks to be quite a team-friendly extension. Given the Cincinnati organization’s inclination to begin pushing toward contention, that seems like a tough deal to swing for Padres GM A.J. Preller.
- Acee also tabs the Padres as a suitor for Yankees righty Sonny Gray, who’s being openly marketed. Whether Gray would be seen as fulfilling the club’s rotation needs, or rather serving as a potential complement to a more significant addition, isn’t clear. There are other teams with interest in Gray, of course. Per MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand, at least five organizations have inquired, and it wouldn’t be surprising to hear of more. Among those contemplating a move is Gray’s former employer. The Athletics evidently think their former staff ace could bounce back in Oakland, per Jon Heyman of Fancred. Of course, it remains to be seen how much the A’s will be willing to stake on a turnaround. Meanwhile, MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand hears that at least five teams have inquired with the Yankees on Gray’s availability — the A’s presumably among them. Gray is projected to top $9MM in arbitration earnings this winter, but he thrived away from Yankee Stadium last season and had plenty of encouraging secondary metrics beyond his rudimentary ERA.
- We’ve heard recently that the Cardinals intend to explore the relief market, with one southpaw on the team’s priority list. Accordingly, it’s no surprise to hear that the club is among the many teams to show early interest in veteran lefty Andrew Miller, as MLB.com’s Jon Morosi tweets. Miller is drawing interest after getting some good news on his knee, so there’ll be no shortage of competition. At this point, it’s entirely unclear where he’ll end up.
xabial
Boras said his client, Bryce Harper is open to playing first 😉
rrddbb44
Keep on believing that.
xabial
No one takes Scott Boras’ words at face-value? ^^^
mack22 2
That’s because boras is a liar, cheat & a thief
chino31
Yet he continue to represent the best players and gets the best possible contract for them
acmeants
Trump’s evil twin.
davidcoonce74
Boras represents workers, not management, so is actually the opposite of Trump
mdogger12
your welfare check keeping you from seeing games live eh sluggo, dont worry trumps creating alot of new jobs maybe if you ever get the energy you can pick one up..
matanzas1962
He has also cost several of his clients to lose large amount of money, I.e, Kendry Morales.
Samuel
lol
Yes, Scott represents the workers – that make many times more money then management.
Like pro sports players can be compared to construction workers.
justin-turner overdrive
Represents the workers….then he makes more money than said workers AND he has no use-by date of age 40 like all baseball players do.
Just idiotic logic, but I guess this is a Yankees thread so I deserve it for even coming in here.
And no, Harper isn’t going to NYY to play 1B. Why cant you idiots just play Voit for a full season and see what happens? Stanton and Judge should also be playing 1B too, as reach is important – its why Matt Olson won the gold glove this year.
tv 2
tell that to matt Harvey.
tv 2
tell that to matt Harvey.he lost 200 mill . Ryan maddiso…. he screws players by not taking extensions.
davidcoonce74
Trump has created fewer jobs in his two years as President than Obama created his last two years as President. But thanks for playing!
davidcoonce74
The players have final say in all contracts.
baseball1600
Don’t let them downvotes fool you, people hate it when others spill facts. Trumps a joke, as is the administration. They edited a video to get someone from the other political party behind bars, if that isn’t corrupt, I don’t know what is.
joshua.barron1
Thank you… one educated person in a sea of internet trolls
joshua.barron1
Right, the billionaire owners make much less than the players. Right.
mikeyank55
Harvey lost 200million because of the Mets genius “TC” who pitched him until his arm fell off in 2015.
Additional responsibility goes to Sandy Alderstein who publicly embarrassed and chastised Harvey in the press because his surgeon had given him a hard inning limit.
Good for you Sandy. Protecting the cheap Wilpon’s at a young pitchers career expense. Do YA THINK that might have contributed to him acting out afterwards, knowing that his shoulder was not right and that he blew a $200 million opportunity?
This guy was installed by the commissioner to bring law and order to the eternal Flushing Soap Opera. Instead he enabled it and contributed to it.
mikeyank55
I hope that Boras stuffs the new Mets make believe GM. As discussed all over here, a former agent is not to be trusted in this position and working for the disingenuous and under committed Coupons letting a free agent sign a contract with the Mets is tantamount to being sent to jail.
Slevin
He’s just repeating what Boras said.
Lance
iF i were a big time player, I would want Boros as my agent. His W-L record is great
Samuel
Agreed.
I’d have loved for Scott to represent me in my profession.
However, if I were a team owner or front office exec, I wouldn’t sign or draft any of his clients, and would trade off any players under contract that switched to his firm. Any given year there are many MLB franchises that take that position. As I’ve detailed, he’s caused teams major long-term budget problems, some of which forced owners to sell.
It’s not just the excessive one-way contracts. It’s that he protects his players to such a point that their managers and coaching staff have to treat them as the teachers pet(s). They work for Scott and play for their stats. Winning is nice if it happens, but they’re really playing for their next contract. The object is to retire with as much money as possible. Championships and playoff appearances get Scott some leverage, but it’s individual awards and stats that Scott can use to maximize their next contract.
Slevin
He’s got the best winning percentage among agents in all of sports.
davidcoonce74
Jesus, really? Boras doesn’t sign the contracts, nor does he offer them. He doesn’t have hypnotic power. The teams offer the contract, the player signs the contract.
jekporkins
This. I can’t recall which teams off the top of my head, but there are two or three that I read simply won’t sign his players.
Samuel
“Jesus, really? Boras doesn’t sign the contracts, nor does he offer them. He doesn’t have hypnotic power. The teams offer the contract, the player signs the contract.”
I’ve read your posts, Ankle-Biter. Enough…….
Boras’ main job is that of a negotiator, then to represent his clients throughout the signed contract.
You think the teams call him with offers, he puts them on a spreadsheet, then asks the players which one they want to take?
You seem to have no real world experience,
Here’s just one political response to what you started…..
In 2 years the US unemployment rate has dropped to record levels. Household incomes are at record highs. Federal, State, and Local governments are taking in explosive, record revenues.
Duke Carrell
Boras hired Luca Brasi as chief negotiator
davidcoonce74
No mention of the record deficit. Figures.
Knowthemarket
Xabial is taking a lot of heat here. I am going to give him some credit though. He has shown some real sources on Harper to the Yankees that are real. USAtoday is real. That isn’t the only one either. Good job buddy. I still don’t think he is going to the Yankees but if he does I won’t be surprised and I will back you up when you say I told you so.
xabial
Thanks buddy. No one knows his intentions and everyone assumes Phillies, Dodgers.
ATL just jumped to my No.2. Lots nasty people. Thanks for class. He’s my favorite player.
nyy42
ok
braves2
curious why Atl jumped to your number 2? I dont see them spending the money on harper
rocky7
Xabial…..difffered with you in the past but agree with you that Harper playing first and being marketed to the Yankees is just Boras being smart as always.
Also smart is the Yankees actually thinking that might work….getting a 26 year old dominant lefty bat in their lineup for years, which they really need, and letting Voit slot in behind him as a backup. Harper can certainly play an average first, and even if the Yankees suddenly sour on that plan, he can shift to left where its probably going to be Gardner/Frazier and who knows how that is going to work out. You always have Voit/Bird as a backup plan.
Harpers marketing attraction will make the Yankees millions and more than make up for his salary. The moment he might sign, thousands of his Yankee 34 jersey would be sold…..smart play!
iverbure
While I personally don’t think Harper is going to New York at this point after seeing what goes on in free agency you can never say the Yankees won’t be in on the best players.
Paying a guy 300 mil+ to play a position he’s never played in the majors is a total unnecessary risk in my opinion. People have suggested you could just trade Stanton. Well that’s easier said than done. He 1 has a no trade which people conveniently forgot the first time he was traded and wondered why he didn’t bring back a huge haul. 2 He’s also due a ungodly amount of money for the next 12 yrs.
Slevin
Not only is it a homerun for marketing, but it would be a shot back at the Sox. Harper’s dad is a huge Micky Mantle fan, and is the reason Bryce wears number 34..3+4=7. Can you imagine a 1-4 of Hicks-Judge-Harper-Stanton? Bird needs to start the season at AAA or be used in a package to acquire pitching.
There’s enough in the budget for signing Harper, Corbin(a given), and a BP piece. Cash is gonna surprise people with some wheeling and dealing.
MetsYankeesRedSox
You’re right about his Dad being a Mantle fan. Pretty sure that was in the Sports Illustrated article about Bryce when he was still in the minors.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Have had differences with Xabial over dumb crap in the past, but he does his homework on all this stat stuff. I’ve double checked his numbers. I don’t need to look them up myself.
I really think the Yanks are going all in for Harper. Besides no facial hair, a good team attitude is a requirement to play for them. Machado is NOT a Yankee. Bryce Harper is.
Slevin
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MetsYankeesRedSox
I’ll wake ‘n bake to that!
dobsonel
Going all in on Harper means not only going over the tax this season, but staying over for the next 10+ years. It also means a payroll close to 300 mil from years 6 to 10. I serious doubt they are all in on Harper.
lovethatdirtyh20
Xab after 3 years of austerity due to a desire to reset the cap and after watching the duckboats in Boston, I put nothing past the NY Yankees.
Watch out for a #Halcare Tsunami.
EndinStealth
The only reason Boras has said this is to raise more interest in Harper whether it be perceived or justified. Either way it makes a few extra dollars
canadianyankee
Sonny Gray to Oakland for Dustin Fowler, Jorge Mateo, James Kaprielian. In addition to Gray, the Oakland A’s will receive a year’s supply of pickles from the company of their choice
bleacherbum
As a Padre fan, thumbs up to both deals. Suarez and Gray.
Sonny Gray shouldn’t cost much more than an interesting prospect or two, maybe even a mixture of Spangenberg/Jankowski/Asuaje/etc. Get Gray working with Balsley and I like the chances of another good resurrection.
Suárez will hurt a little. Cincinnati needs pitching, in the worst way. Eugenio will cost one of the rookie arms, (Lucchesi, Lauer, Nix)
hiflew
Suarez is an extremely good player on an extremely good contract. If he gets moved, it won’t be for less than Adam Eaton got moved for a couple of years back. You are probably starting with Gore and still adding a couple more team top 30 guys.
bleacherbum
My comment cut off-
Suárez would cost SD one of the rookie arms from this year one from the crop coming (Allen, Quantrill, Paddack) and some type of lower level filler.
Could see something like,
3B Eugenio Suárez to SD for SP Joey Lucchesi, SP Cal Quantrill and RP Pedro Avila.
Adding Suárez plus Sonny Gray would be two huge steps in the right direction if the price doesn’t get overwhelming. Here are my untouchables:
Tatis Jr obviously
Urias
Gore
Mejia
Paddack
Reed
Everyone else on the top 30 is up for grabs in my opinion. As long as that core above isn’t touched I’m okay with that as a Friar fan.
beersy
I agree with your untouchables. Crazy thing is, even if the Padres traded all 6 of those guys, they would still probably have a top 10 farm system. Preller and Co. have done far too good a job rebuilding the farm system to start dealing off all of the top guys now. Maybe in a year or two when they are that one player away from contention, but not now.
YourDaddy
1 in 5 of top 100 prospects become above average major league players. So if the Padres are far above average in that regard, 2 of those untouchables will pan out in the majors. Do not fall in love with prospect at the cost of proven MLB talent.
southi
I am NOT saying your 1 in 5 number is wrong, but I am interested in where you pulled that specific ratio from because I don’t recall ever seeing it listed as such. I want a link so I could reference that “fact” in the future.
Samuel
“1 in 5 of top 100 prospects become above average major league players.”
Pads Fans;
lol
It’s more like 20% of top 100 prospects even last in the majors for 3 years.
So the Padres guys are killing it? OK, when do they start to win?
You ever hear that song titled – “Tomorrow Never Comes”? Seen or read the play – “Waiting for Godot”?
Most rebuilds fail. You think the White Sox, Royals, Tigers, and Twins are all going to win the AL Central and go to the WS 2 of the next 5 years?
SDHotDawg
@Samuel —
Healthy skepticism comes from reality. Some of my fellow Padres fans lack a sense of objective reality.
You can post the facts about draft picks and prospect lists until you’re blue in the face, but it won’t matter.
After all these years of clinging to false hope and promises, I’ll believe it when I see it.
Right now, I see a team that desperately needs starting pitching. This has become a pattern.
Samuel
“Right now, I see a team that desperately needs starting pitching.”
First off, if a team can’t develop their own cheap pitching, they can only go so far if not in a major market. And as we’ve seen recently with the Cubs, Nationals, and Yankees among others, even having a large payroll doesn’t turn it.
The fact that the Rock Star GM playing in the most cavernous and pitcher friendly park in MLB can’t develop pitching is truly mind-boggling. As I keep saying, you get fast OF’s that can play D and throw, along with quick infielders on D, and have an abundance of contact hitters that can put the ball in play down the lines and in the gaps then run all day.
I simply have no idea how Preller got that job, and how he keeps it.
marinest21 2
A quick infielder who is a contact hitter that can shoot the gap and then run all day? That sounds like Trea Turner. Oh wait….
SDHotDawg
That was a low blow.
Friarfaithful117
If you had some more facts straight it would strengthen your arguments. Petco Park is actually in the middle when it comes to being pitcher friendly. Park factor ranks 13th at 1.032 after the changes to the park’s dimensions. That said I do think good better fielding teams with some speed would still benefit the club.
SDHotDawg
The cost would be high, but I’d like to see the Pads go after James Paxton and Zack Wheeler. If the so-called plan is to win in 2020, it has to start in 2019.
I think Gray, although cheap, comes with too much risk for a team that (theoretically) is trying to win.
Suarez is interesting, but I can live with Villanueva’s 20 HRs. Especially if we can resign Galvis and/or trade some of our excess outfielders. Margot? Myers?
davidcoonce74
Villanueva is a terrible defender and can’t hit right-handed pitching. He’s a platoon guy at best.
SDHotDawg
Yeah, right. Rookies should be fully developed when they come up.
I see your hero Bill James reverted to form this week. Just about the time it looked like he was starting to mellow with age, he shows his complete and utter disdain for the humans in the game.
Knowthemarket
Quantril doesn’t have the prospect stock he used to. He doesnt headline anything. However, the Padres system is so talented that you really probably could keep your top 5. Morejon, Baez, Allen probably gets the job done.
YourDaddy
He is one of the pitchers being named in articles about what the Reds would like in return for Suarez.
RedRooster
No way in Hell the Reds take that for Suarez. They would definitely want at least one of Gore, Paddack and Patino, possibly more than one.
Knowthemarket
Probably not actually. Look at the names I gave you. Two either top 50 or close to it. If you didn’t except this trade it’s only because you want Renfroe instead of one of the three because you think you will compete sooner rather than later.
redsfan48
Suárez is under incredibly team-friendly control through 2024. No way they trade him unless they are completely blown away AND get a proven Major Leaguer in return
Samuel
redsfan48;
YES!
Suárez is a prospect that made good, and is under control for cheap. That’s the sweet spot. The most valuable category of MLB player. 90% of top rated prospects will never get to his level.
I thought Preller was a self-promoting fraud from shortly after he was hired. The “Rock Star GM” absolutely plundered the farm system and budget for a contention run that fell flat. Next he convinced the gullible owner and fans to go the opposite way – trade off most of the veterans he’d brought in, and get a dozen boatloads of prospects. For 2 years I’ve been hearing how sensational they all are. I’ll believe it when I see it. Color me skeptical.
The Reds have a great young position corp. If they can bring in some arms in free agency, Rule 5, and waiver wire, they can turn them over to the new pitching coach that comes with a proven track record. All guys that sniff the majors have talent and weaknesses. With the exception of a few organizations, said players have to be developed at the major league level.
cxcx
Why are people having discussions about a team trying to make a big jump in the standings and planning to increase payroll trading away one of its best players who is locked into a favorable contract for a number of years? Fans are weird.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
You really hate Preller don’t you?
The Padres are not stupid enough to let themselves get robbed of their best prospects for Suarez.
SDHotDawg
Nor are the Reds stupid enough to trade away one of their best young ML players.
But if they were, there would be a very high high price tag. It would have to be a serious overpay.
You seem to have noticed that Preller isn’t universally regarded as a Rock Star/genious. If anything, I would look to him doing Cashman and the Yankees another favor by taking out their garbage – and paying for the priveledge.
Samuel
“The Padres are not stupid enough to let themselves get robbed of their best prospects for Suarez.”
lol
Have you missed this guys trading record?
Yes, I do dislike him. He gets a lot of pub for going around in circles. So far his most notable accomplishment was getting suspended by MLB for failing to disclose medical information on the Pomeranz trade to the Red Sox. He was in hot water a few times when he was with the Rangers.
Apparently you don’t get it. A writer says he thinks or heard that Preller might go after Suárez. No one has said the Reds are looking to trade him. Can you not comprehend what I wrote?….
“Suárez is a prospect that made good, and is under control for cheap. That’s the sweet spot. The most valuable category of MLB player. 90% of top rated prospects will never get to his level.”
RedRooster
Because they aren’t going to contend while they have Suarez, their best prospect plays the same position and they need pitchers which Suarez could help get them.
RedRooster
Lol a Reds fan trashing the Padres. How did completely botching the trades of Chapman, Cueto, Leake and Cozart go for ya?
SDHotDawg
So, don’t bother having any good players until you “think” you’re ready to contend? Because when you are “ready,” you just flip a switch? Is that how it works?
I guess they should have dumped Votto a long time ago.
RedRooster
Depends if the player is controlled long enough to still be around when you are contending. If not, you trade him for guys who will be.
SDHotDawg
That must be one special crystal ball you’ve got.
The Orioles are looking for a GM. Have you applied?
RedRooster
Oddly enough, I’ve seen that it’s people who say things like “So you have a crystal ball?” who have the least compelling arguments to make.
Anyway, so many things have to go right for the Reds to be a contender in that division and they seem intent on botching their rebuild every chance they get. We saw it with Cueto, Leake, Chapman and Cozart. Scooter Gennett is next.
SDHotDawg
First of all, compelling and logical arguments have been tried, but you bury them in your wishful thinking and hypothetical predictions, which somehow you regard as “facts that just haven’t happened yet.”
Secondly, you like to think you’re The Expert on “rebuilds, but you ignore each and every fact that doesn’t fit your myopic paradigm.
The Reds didn’t blow anything when they let Cozart and Leake go. Mentioning them just dilutes your very good examples of Chapman and Cueto.
RedRooster
You may think your arguments are compelling and logical. To others, well… yeah.
I never called myself the expert on rebuilds. Thanks tho!
They absolutely blew it when they let Cozart and Leake go! They waited way too long to trade both and then they were ultimately forced to just take what they could get for Leake and in Cozart’s case, the market for rental shortstops dried up and they weren’t able to trade him for ANYTHING. Honestly, they should have had a ’98 Marlins-esque fire sale after the 2014 season.
ksoze
Chapman was botched, Cueto was semi botched, leake was not botched, and cozart is, was, and will remain nothing. Frazier trade netted Peraza, and Schebler, Simon deal netted us Suarez. Strailey netted us Castillo.
RedRooster
Leake was very much botched. They’d have gotten more for him if they traded him the prior offseason when the acquiring team would have gotten a full year of him and been able to QO him. And Cozart had value, but like with Cueto and Leake they waited until the last possible second to try and trade him and at that point no one needed a rental SS. Really anything they could have gotten would have been better than the nothing they ended up getting for him.
ksoze
Your insane if you think you’d get Suarez without using one of your untouchables. He is not a rental player, you are talking about a very good player in a very friendly contract. If one of your untouchables becomes as good as Suarez you’d be lucky, and you’d be luckier still if you get that good player to sign a team friendly contract.
Perksy
Then you’re not getting Suarez. Gray yes, but not Eugenio. Do people even go to padre games? I
fstop13
Do people go to Reds games?
YourDaddy
Those would both be good trades. Suarez would lock down 3B, but Gray is not a top of the rotation starter. The Padres would still need to trade for someone like Syndergaard or Carrasco to have any chance to be competitive in the NL West.
pads fan1980
I read kluber is available for the right trade
joeshmoe11
Suarez isn’t going anywhere. Reds are looking to add pitching to pair with the core of Suarez, Votto, Winker etc. No harm in calling but there’d have to be a massive haul for the Reds to even respond
southpaw2153
Those players from SD would barely fetch Luis Cessa, nevermind Gray. Travis Jankowski lolol.
rocky7
Right on brother…..those thinking the Yankees give anybody away are really fooling themselves……the SD Rock Star ain’t making it happen!
justin-turner overdrive
rocky7, once again ignoring the reality that his team did something dumb, because that could NEVER happen! Oops it did, and your GM blew it. Hey, it happens champ, I don’t like a lot of the A’s trades or any Mariners trades – GMs blow it from time to time, and yours did when he showed his hand with not wanting Gray on the team anymore. Can’t do that in 2018, he needed to say “maybe I could move him, if an interesting deal comes up – he’s really good away from Yankee stadium, hmmm” but nope, he said out loud “I dont want him on my team.” this is reality, you live in fantasy if you think youre getting anything other an a Mateo-type for Gray. No idea why you don’t like that deal anyway, Mateo is really talented and is such a typical “gets it right at AAA the second time thru because he was too raw the first time” – Mateo will be in MLB by end of year, and you get 7 years of him for 1 of Gray. Perfect match.
Samuel
lol
Yes……
Like 29 MLB front offices and over a thousand players, coaches, scouts, media people along with millions of fans didn’t know that the Yankees were out of patience with Gray and wanted his roster spot.
rocky7
Hey, spend some time reading the papers,,,,,the Yankees aren’t giving Gray for an “interesting prospect” as he’s attracting real attention based on most thinking that he’s just problematic pitching at Yankee stadium.
Soldierofgod619
Hunter Renfroe,Chris Paddack, Michel Baez for Eugenio Suarez.
Cory Spangenberg for Sonny Gray
Sign Eovaldi 3/45 with a team option of another 15m for 1 year so total 4/60
hiflew
Not a bad offer for Suarez, but I think it will take more. Perhaps if you upped Paddack to Gore, it might work.
beersy
If that is what it takes to get Suarez, I would much rather the Padres sign Donaldson for a 2 year deal. A 35 HR guy in Cincy, a top 15 prospect and a top 50 prospect is waayyy toooo much for Suarez. Don’t get me wrong, he is a very good player with a very good contract, but for a Padres team who is not one player away from being in contention, that is too much to give up.
redsfan48
That’s light for Suárez IMO. Too much team control
redsfan48
And Renfroe is basically Adam Duvall, who we just traded
bleacherbum
Let’s not over value Suárez either. He had a fantastic 2018 yes, and a nice year before. But he is a little older and is blossoming later, sometimes that’s not always the best because you don’t know when he may flame out, regress, etc. being on the hook for 7 years of that I would be hesitant.
If Renfroe, Paddack and Baez are light for Suárez then I’ll pass.
I for one, think Paddack is untouchable as it is so if you think he in a trade is light then I want whatever you’re smoking. He would be Cincinnati’s ace by the deadline if he were involved in any trade, so let’s re-consider for a minute.
RedRooster
Except for the part where Duvall has never posted a higher OPS over the course of a full season than Renfroe did this year and Renfroe is controlled 2 years longer.
redsfan48
I’m sorry, I missed the part where Renfroe became a Gold Glove finalist in LF 2 years in a row. Slightly different ways of providing value, but they are very close in overall value, and WAR backs that up if you exclude Duvall’s miserable finish to the year in Atlanta.
RedRooster
You can’t pretend Duvall’s miserable finish didn’t happen. Or that Renfroe doesn’t have two more years of control than he does.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
Gore is not going anywhere except a future Padres starting rotation.
I hate when armchair GMs on this site throw out ridiculous trade proposals. It just leads to more trolling and arguments.
bleacherbum
I’d be okay upping him to Lucchesi. He immediately goes into Cincinnati’s rotation next year.
The trade would then be Hunter Renfroe, Joey Lucchesi and Michel Baez for Eugenio Suárez.
I’d do that all day every day as a Padre fan. Get Suárez for 7 more years at 66 million total.
Cincinnati gets a middle of the order thumper to bat behind Votto, an arm to slot behind Castillo in the rotation now and a young prospect in Baez who will be MLB ready probably 2020.
Good deal for both squads.
RedRooster
Of course you would do that as a Padre fan…
bleacherbum
One can wish right?
YourDaddy
Suarez is a good player. His WAR has been 3.2 and 4.2 the last two seasons. In terms of who it may be going to the Reds, the 1st thing to consider is that the Reds need a CF and LHP So 2 of the pieces in the trade would be Margot and either Lauer or Allen. Lucchesi is the #2 starter, maybe #1, today. He is probably not being traded. Then add another good pitching prospect like Quantrill.
Priggs89
“I’d do that all day every day as a Padre fan.”
Anytime you feel that way, just assume it’s not enough. From an outsider looking in, this definitely appears to be one of those cases.
Also, Quantrill doesn’t have anywhere near the prospect shine he had 2 years ago.
Knowthemarket
That seems like a good deal for Suarez. Maybe even an overpay so the idea that you have to up Paddack to Gore seems kind of silly. Still, I don’t know that the Reds say yes. Suarez is young and controllable too. I suppose it depends on how long the Reds feel the rebuild will continue. 1 or 2 years then no. 3 or more then you say yes.
YourDaddy
Margot, Lauer or Allen, and Quantrill is more in line with Suarez value and the Reds needs.
rdsfan05
With trammel not too far out I think the idea of Margot is ridiculous to think the reds need a center fielder right now if were not going to compete until at least 2021
YourDaddy
Margot, Lauer or Allen, Quantrill. The Reds need a CF. They are rumored to be moving on from Hamilton. The Reds need a left handed starter. None has started over 7 games fur them in a few seasons. The Reds seem enamored of Quantrill.
redsfan48
That certainly doesn’t get it done. I don’t think Margot is much, if at all, of an upgrade over Hamilton when you factor defense and speed. The Reds do need to move on from Hamilton, but Margot is not the solution.
mj-2
Padres should forget Gray
Teheran and Gohara for Renfroe
Priggs89
Why do you think Hunter Renfroe is that valuable? He’s a power hitting corner outfielder with a sub-.300 OBP over the last 2 years.
southi
Yep, I would agree that Renfroe is NOT valuable at all. The market value for corner hitting outfielders with flaws has been very low the last couple of seasons.
bleacherbum
Southi, knock it off. Renfroe absolutely has value. He is single handedly better than any outfielder currently playing for the Cincinnati Reds so how can anyone trash him?
That’s like me trashing ownership for pursing Sonny Gray as a Padre fan, and saying things like, “that’s it”? He has no value, there is no market for that, etc.. but that would ridiculous of me if I was a true fan.
Gray is better than anything currently residing in the San Diego Padres pitching staff, so I welcome him. I doubt that Myers is a part of the deal and I also doubt that any valuable prospects head back to NYY. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was Stammen heading back w/Spangenberg, Yankees get another late inning option for the back of the pen in Stammen. Spangenberg provides insurance in the middle infield incase NYY wants to Machado/Gleybor/Andujar- that’s R/R/R. Spangenberg would be a nice little complement in there with the Left handed stick. The kid is a former first rounder so there is some intrigue to that still from other organizations.
joeshmoe11
Winker and Schebler are both much better hitters. And Senzel will be getting at bats in the OF unless Gennett is dealt
bleacherbum
Hunter Renfroe was a high profile college player who performed on a high level at Mississippi state where he won a college World Series, he then lead a team 3 years ago to the AAA championship on his back with Margot, Asuaje and Hedges.
He is a young leader, he had and .805 OPS last year with 26 Homers and a cannon in either left or right, his approach is night and day improved with changes applied from Matt Stairs.
He would hit 40 bombs easy playing half of his games at Great American Ballpark but keep snubbing him like he isn’t valuable at all.
SDHotDawg
And for those who seem to think it means something, Renfroe was our #1 prospect for a couple of years.
Also, 2018 was his sophomore season, he was injured to start the year, and Matt Stairs tried to ruin his swing.
I’ll keep him.
BonesWalker
Not that it changes your point, he did not win the college world series. They made it to the championship and lost to UCLA.
redsfan48
He certainly doesn’t have zero value, some exists, just not to the extent you guys are saying. He will not be the headliner of any major trade.
RedRooster
Then they will keep him.
justin-turner overdrive
Gray for Mateo is perfect for both sides, Mateo is about to graduate from MLB once he gets a few reps through AAA a second time. NYY need MI depth at AAA beyond Torreyes, Mateo fits that bill perfectly, and he could break out with his huge speed. Gray’s value will never be this low, A’s should pounce on him, and trade with Cleveland for Kluber, Carrasco or Bauer. Sign/trade for a C, sign a low money SP, sign a decent money RP and call it a successful offseason.
xabial
Fail to factor psychology of Gray for Mateo 1-for-1.
No way they bite that bullet.
dobsonel
Forget the psych part, the Yanks won’t make that trade because Mateo is terrible and not worthy of a 40 man roster spot. He’s Wade 2.0 with the exception being Wade can actually hit in AAA.
billysbballz
Any Gray trade to Oakland will have to include Kaprelean. Even though he’s had arm issues we liked his talent enough to want him back in the trade. How’s Kap and Matteo for Gray sound with Oakland fans? You get to keep Fowler. Just curious?
justin-turner overdrive
Yankees fan: your GM already has said he wants to move on from Gray, which means the A’s would hold the upper hand in any deal. Mateo for Gray works perfectly for both sides, despite what xabial says with literally no logic or explanation.
Yankees fans: hate my deal all you want, but its reality. If NYY front office did not say they were interested in moving Gray, THEN you would have been able to ask for more for him, but by doing that, you absolutely crushed his value. If not Mateo, then someone like Mateo is all you are going to get it, no matter hard that REALITY is to bear.
Old User Name
The As would hold the upper hand if they are the only team willing to trade for Gray. With several teams involved, the Yankees hold the upper hand.
RedRooster
Not really. All you have to do is be the highest bidder. There is no minimum offer that the Yankees will walk away from the table if they don’t get.
redsfan48
Sonny Gray does not have the value everyone is saying he does. He had an awful year so he’s a buy low candidate at best. Has some value, but I wouldn’t expect a huge return
rocky7
As usual a day late and dollar short JTO…..the Yankees have plenty of infield depth pieces and a trade for Mateo isn’t happening. This is the second or third time you have hawked the same trade…..give it a rest west coast man!
And, if you read? the Yankees are getting some serious action on Gray who most think has an upside beyond a throw in player or prospect.
justin-turner overdrive
As usual you come in here and get totally destroyed by facts and logic.
Look, your team said they dont want him – that AUTOMATICALLY loses major value. 1 year of Gray for 7 of Mateo makes so much sense – Mateo is about 2 months away from being MLB-ready, and Didi is gone for who knows how long.
I read more than you, I know more than you, I know more than the team you are homering for than you. Respect me, or keep coming off like a clown.
dobsonel
I’ve got some facts for you. In 131 AAA games, Mateo’s OBP was .280. His OPS was .633. I’d say that’s more than 2 months away from the bigs.
mmarinersfan
I’m assuming any deal for Paxton would include Justus Sheffield. As long as Jerry doesn’t decide to also add Dee Gordon’s contract to it.
southpaw2153
As a Yankees fan, I’d give up Sheffield in a heartbeat for Paxton. Sheffield, if he ever becomes a decent MLB pitcher, is years away from doing so. Not impressed with him, at all.
Clarkwburnett
I second that deal.
dobsonel
Third. I’m excited about Justus but I think dealing him would be worth it for Paxton, Kluber, Carrasco, or Robbie Ray.
jorge78
This will NOT be the off season of crazy money. Times have changed…..
baseball1600
I think Garrett Richards would make sense for the Padres. 3 years, 27 M and an opt out. Would be a decent option considering the Padres probably aren’t looking to contend until at least 2020z
RedRooster
Don’t like the idea of the Padres giving a free agent an opt-out. The goal is for the player to still be there and still be good when they are finally contending. With an opt-out, only one of those things can be true.
I Believe We Can Win
I’d rather buy low on Gray Teheran Alex Wood maybe inquire on Lucas Giollito or see if the Indians want renfroe for some of their pitching-
Renfroe Jankowsk Yates Stammen Maton Nix for a deal involving Bieber and Clevinger makes sense.
bleacherbum
My perfect Padres offseason,
#1. Acquire Sonny Gray.
(For Spangenberg and Stammen.)
#2. Acquire Dylan Bundy + Tim Beckham
(For Asuaje, Jankowski, Nix, Avila)
#3. Figure out 3B- whether it’s trade of free agency the Padres need to sure up the left side of the infield. Does bring in one of Hosmer’s old friends make sense in Moustakas? 2 year/20 million until Potts is ready. Villanueva/Moose would be a nice R/L combo at 3B.
Or
Eugenio Suárez but that will cost Renfroe plus top prospects, Maikel Franco can be had but how much of a REAL upgrade over Villanueva is he?
I like the Tim Beckham idea because he can play either SS or 3B, so he is the ideal candidate to open the season as the starter at short and hold it down until Tatis Jr. is ready, then he can move to third, second, UTL role, etc.
Rotation looks like:
1.) Gray
2.) Lucchesi
3.) Bundy
4.) Lauer
5.) Strahm, Richard, Lamet, Paddack?
Not bad additions, if Suárez is added. Renfroe or Myers are most likely gone. Leaving Reyes in RF, a combo of Margot/Cordero in CF. & whoever is left between Myers/Renfroe in LF.
hockeyjohn
No way would Cleveland make that deal. They are not looking to trade Clevinger and Bieber. They could trade ONE of Kluber, Carassco, or Bauer IF the return helps them win now and helps with the future.. I wish that before people propose trades to discuss that they look at it from the other team’s perspective. Some of the trade suggestions on here by fans are just laughable.
RedRooster
Looks like someone forgot to tell Freddy Galvis he was an extension candidate XD XD XD
billysbballz
Weathers or Allen for Gray makes sense to me with the Pads. Corey Spangenberg doesn’t offer a hell of allot straight up for Gray. In fact we really don’t need him and if your getting an everyday starter who can boost his value back and be a big trade line return then you need to give a little more then Spangenberg.
RedRooster
No, one year of Sonny Gray after the season he just had is not getting the Yankees a top 100 prospect. If Balsley were able to turn Gray around that is like the ceiling of what I’d expect Preller to flip him for at the deadline.
billysbballz
I think the Yanks will get 1 decent prospect for him if we have demand. So that means Spangenberg is not the guy we would take back.
billysbballz
Ok one guy just outside the top 100 then.
Forget spare parts like Guera, Spangenberg, and 34yo journeymen middle relievers. Makes no sense. His value is higher then that regardless of his past season. His potential is through the roof in a big national league park that’s why demand is high.
RedRooster
Like JTO said, when Cashman said he wanted to “move on” from Gray, he destroyed his trade value. Yankees will basically have to take what they can get or non-tender him.
I Believe We Can Win
Gray and a wild card prospect like frecier perez for Spangenberg, Stammen, and Javy Guerra is what the Yankees would be looking at.
billysbballz
Why would we take a bunch of spare parts utility players to clean up your 40 man? We rather hold onto Gray. If we have 5 teams asking for him we have demand and we will not just trade him then for guys we really don’t need.
rocky7
Agree billybballz….these west coast guys think the Yankees are stupid and taking somebody’s trash for Gray…guess they’ve been drinking the cool aide from their Rock Star GM for too long…..oh that’s right they have all this winning pedigree on their side so I guess what they say should be right!
I Believe We Can Win
1. Stammen isnt spare parts.
2. Gray had an awful season pitched like a #5, gave up too many hrs hits and walks, has 1 year of team control, and isnt cheap via arb. You think a team is gonna offer anything other than back ups or 23 24 25 year old single a players for Gray? Doubt it.
You’re gonna get guys outside a teams top 25 from good farm systems for gray.
billysbballz
That is an awful trade for the Yankees!
justin-turner overdrive
Stop trying to move Spangenberg for ANYONE of value! You keep doing that, STOP. He’s WORTHLESS. You aren’t getting anyone for Spangenberg, and Spangenberg is NOT headlining any deal for MLB talent. GET OVER IT.
Friarfaithful117
I agree he isn’t a player on most playoff teams but he could be a role player for someone or a stopgap option. If he is included in a deal he is a third or fourth player involved.
RedRooster
So is Gray
Friarfaithful117
There is no way Gray brings back that kind of return. Too much risk especially on the last year of control.
billysbballz
Yanks should be willing to take Dee Gordon contract back in a deal for Paxton. Gordon can fill in at SS until Didi returns and be a platoon utility guy after.
Maybe a deal can work if the Yanks trade a Albert Abreu, Matt Sauer, Chance Adams, and Thairo Estrada (4 top 15) plus a Torreyes (utility infielder to replace Gordon) for Paxton and Gordon?? Rebuilds Seattle’s future rotation and takes a contract off their hands? Is that too much from pitching prospects going back or not enough? Two top ten pitching prospects and Adams was a top 5 last year and slipped out of top ten due to injury but returned last season and had better second half.
southbeachbully
-Cashman pats his analytics team on sizing up Voit and comments how they’ve had their eye on him for 2 years.
-Voit rewards Cashman’s decisions by having a great 40 game debut,
He still has room for improvement but I would say that because of Voit, 1b should be 5th or 6th on the Yanks to-do-list. (SP, Bullpen, replacing Didi, LF w/ lefty bat are much more important.
dobsonel
^^^This^^^ Voit was on pace for 78 HRs in a 162 game season. A 50% regression would be 39 bombs next year. Also he hits a lot of his HRs to RF so the need for a lefty bat isn’t that important. I’m not saying Voit won’t end up being the second coming of Kevin Maas, but I am saying the Yankees feel more than comfortable with 1B right now.
throwinched10
Paxton would cost Sheffield and Florial. Less if the Yankees took Dee Gordon and his contract with Paxton.
southpaw2153
I’d do that trade in a second.
dobsonel
Second that deal! Florial is at least 2 years away from the bigs. Maybe more.
I Believe We Can Win
Padres get Suarez
Reds get- Nix, Kennedy, Morejon, Patino, Buddy Reed.
Padres trade for Sonny Gray.
Padres trade Renfroe to the White Sox for Lucas Giollito, Alec Hansen, and Zack Burdi
csspackler
I don’t think Patino would be moved.
Friarfaithful117
Agree, I also do not think we are getting Suarez. Asking price is too high and our assets don’t meet CIN needs well if they hope to compete while Votto is still at the top of his game.
SDHotDawg
I will be surprised if the Reds trade Suarez. Maybe even shocked.
I think at some point some lazy writer heard Preller say something about Suarez and ran with it. It snowballed from there.
ksoze
Right, it doesn’t fit with their current strategy. They have 2 mlb level arms they are happy with in Castillo, and Mahle, they will hopefully get another healthy year out of Disco. More than likely the sign a wade Miley, or gio Gonzalez type guy. The 5th spot will probably feature 2 or 3 prospects or 2nd year guys they hope develop. They will also add to their pen in 19. 2020 will be the year things are taken to the next level as far as actively trading from strength to fill weaknesses
ChiSoxCity
Why would the Sox have any interest in Renfroe.
jnoch2008
No way the Sox would make that deal. If you looked at our organization you would see OF is our minor league strength. In addition to that , Birdie is our closer of the future.
Priggs89
That’s one of the worst White Sox trade proposals I’ve ever seen.
justin-turner overdrive
I dont want you teaching anyones kids.
I Believe We Can Win
I don’t want you having kids. I’d have to call CPS daily. You were clearly a burden on the school system. We don’t need your kids doing the same.
hockeyjohn
Why would the White Sox do that? Please people think about the other team’s needs and situation before posting.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
Have you seen the trade proposals across this site? Nobody does that.
ericl
The Yankees have been reluctant to trade any of their top prospects. They are not getting Kluber or Carrasco without surrendering some of their top young talent (and I’m not talking about Andujar & Torres). Sheffield would likely have to be a part of any deal with the Tribe. The same goes with Paxton. It makes no sense for the Mariners to trade Paxton just to dump a contract like Gordon’s. He’s one of the best trade chips the Mariners have & to not get a good return for him would be a huge mistake. It isn’t like the Yankees are the only team looking for pitching. Houston, Philadelphia & Atlanta (and others) are all in need of arms. The Mariners can get a good package back from one of those teams.
Slevin
Anyone and everyone is legitimately gonna take Paxton’s fragility into account.
ChiSoxCity
The Yankees get away with lopsided trades all the time. Somehow NY snd Boston are gifted big time talent for mid-level prospects that never amount to anything year after year. The verdict’s still out on Moncada, but I think the White Sox should have gotten way more for Chris Sale.
jnoch2008
Sox made a good deal for Sale , just a setback with Kopec going down.
hockeyjohn
New York is not likely getting Kluber or Carrasco without one of Andujar or Torres being part of the deal. Cleveland is looking for MLB ready talent and other than Sheffield, Yankee prospects are farther away.
It is funny that Gray has no value on the Yankees, yet they want a lot in a trade.
dobsonel
I think they can get Kluber without including those two, but you’re right it would cost a lot of others. Sheffield, Frazier, and German (or Lasagna) would probably be needed to get the convo started.
hockeyjohn
The Yankees got Sheffield, Frazier, and two other prospects for 2 1/2 years of Andrew Miller. It will take more to get 3 years of Kluber, a Cy Young pitcher. Frazier also has concussion problems.
Cleveland is looking for players that can play and help them contend this year. The Indians won’t trade a starting pitcher unless it helps them for THIS YEAR and the future. Houston, Atlanta, and other teams will also be making offers to Cleveland. for Kluber. If Sheffield and Frazier are the Yankees key pieces offered then I don’t see them making the trade.
dobsonel
When the Yanks got them they were both 2+ years away from the bigs. Now they are both ready which makes them more valuable now than they were then so you are comparing apples and oranges.
hockeyjohn
Frazier with his concussion problems is not more valuable now than 2 years ago. Just because prospects are near the major leagues doesn’t necessary make them more valuable. Look at most teams top 30 list and I would think most #1 prospects aren’t necessary at the AAA level.
JayRyder
Regarding Sonny Gray… Tim Hudson was a little guy. Who pitched till 40. Very durable and serviceable… Away from Yankee Stadium, The numbers don’t lie.. . NY will sell him high. At least than expected… Who knows where he goes. But there’s still value there. No Denying That
billysbballz
Yes I agree. We are not trading him to add spare parts to our 40 man when in fact we are looking to clear more room for the 40 man. So a decent prospect or two will be coming back or a useful player to add to the 40 man like a very good middle reliever type.
RedRooster
You work for the Yankees?
Slevin
Rooster thank you, why do people do that? Oh no, here comes the reason why fans can do that militia.
justin-turner overdrive
lmaoo, shhh dont hit these plebs with reality
MetsYankeesRedSox
Lol!
Why yes, Cash and I were discussing that over Fenway Franks and beer back in October.
SixFlagsMagicPadres
The only people who can really say “we” when referring to their team are Green Bay Packer fans. Everyone else is just deluded into thinking these teams actually care about them.
JKB 2
A decent prospect or two sounds about right for Gray
Friarfaithful117
That depends on what you consider decent. Pedro Avila and Austin Allen I think the Padres might do.
justin-turner overdrive
You are on crack if you think the Yankees telling everyone they dont want Gray on their team is “selling high”, Get off it.
JKB 2
How in the world can you pretend the Yankees are selling high on Gray
yanks02026
It would be a joke if the Yankees went with Luke Voit at 1st. Yeah the guy had a good 130 atbats but he’s going on 28 and can easily go back to the average to below average player he was with the cardinals. Then it will be another year of no production from first base. Plus he sucks at defense.
Slevin
Preach on, I totally agree that small sample size shouldn’t guarantee him the spot.
brodafett
He was never even utilized by the cardinals. You can’t look too deep when a guy gets sporadic at bats and even less playing time. He was always a good hitter in the minors but he wasn’t one of Matheny’s guys so he never even had a shot in St Louis. You, like most yankee fans that post, simply want the biggest sexiest names so you can say look at our all star lineup. Haven’t you learned yet that those lineups rarely win titles? You need underdogs and guys that have to fight for their place guys with heart. Voit has that but sure kick him to the curb to get some sexy name that will probably underachieve and costs a hell of a lot more. Then finish behind the Sox for the next several years until you relearn the lesson that you can’t buy chips.
justin-turner overdrive
So just toss him aside huh? MLB performance is meaningless, name value only = the yankee way!
Also the moron way! You guys have 1 title in 18 years for this exact reason. Go back to core 4 formula again if you want success, meanwhile the A’s and Rays will just keep using that formula to beat everyone.
Slevin
Except in Wild Card games. Keep living the small market dream.
Tenn Braves
Sonny Gray for Will Myers, would be a plus for both teams.
padreforlife
Only way Myers goes to Yankee Stadium is as opposing player or fan
JKB 2
Or as a player on the Yankees
RedRooster
Think the Yanks would rather just non-tender Gray than do that.
batty
I’m hesitant on Miller. He has a lot of high leverage innings on that arm, as well as a growing injury history. In this era of shorter outings for starters, the arms in the pen need to take on more innings and more appearances. To me, that says the pen arms are going to be younger as opposed to years past. Organizations will be quicker to turn starters in the minors into relievers to meet major league roster’s demands.
mhdunbar99
Padres trade Wil Myers to Yankees to play 1B in exchange for Sonny Gray and a high end minor leaguer. This will be “breaking” soon…I predict!
padreforlife
Get real
JKB 2
Sounds about right
SixFlagsMagicPadres
I’d love to see Myers off the team, but I don’t think the Yankees will take him.
Matt St.
I saw a rumor of trade talks between the Phillies and Padres for Maikel Franco. No idea what would be going back to the Phillies though. It was in an article written by Jim Salisbury.
davidcoonce74
Lots of Padres twitter has mentioned this as well. Franco isn’t that great but the Padres have a pretty big hole at third, unless they want to just plug Spangenberg in there.
bleacherbum
Yikes. The thought of plugging Spangenberg anywhere is depressing. He sucks, I’m over watching him Pirela and Asuaje. I feel like the Greg Garcia claim was the end to at least one of the aforementioned guys tenure in SD.
Could see Spangenberg/Asuaje in some type of deal this winter. Possibly back to CHC w/Jed Hoyer who drafted him and Renfroe.
davidcoonce74
I don’t love Spangenberg either, but he’s better than Villanueva. Which isn’t saying much, I know, but third base has been a black hole for the team since Headley left,; I don’t think Franco is the answer.
SDHotDawg
IMO, Spangy is not better than Villanueva. On either side of the ball.
frank_costanza
Makes no sense to me which is why I wouldnt be surprised if the Phils organization did it. I know the OPS and advanced metrics arent great, but theres no arguing that .270 baa with 17 doubles and 22 hr is solid production. That was also in only 131 games since he got removed from the lineup early in the year and then hurt for the last month. I dont think it’s crazy to say that he would have easily finished the year with an extra 5-10 hr and 10 doubles.
He really looked like a player that was starting to figure it out. I think his best baseball is ahead of him. Not to mention he’s only 26 and under team control until 2022. Why on earth are they so desperate to get rid of him?
bravesfan
I would like the braves to go get gray. I think he still has elite stuff and can be an ace or at worse a above avg #3… plus he’s cheaper to grab prospect wise than he was a year ago and atlanta isn’t as high pressure as New York. Idk. I think it’s worth the gamble on him. Just an opinion
joe-31
I don’t see the Reds trading him but, if it happens they will have to give up a lot to get him. Kinda like what they got when they traded Latos to the Reds. I also think Gray will be coming to the Reds. His college pitching coach is now the Reds pitching coach!
Slevin
The Reds will, and should get a pretty good haul for him. They should expect one top 30 pitching prospect from the Padres, plus maybe Buddy Reed. If the Reds want to trade for Gray, who do you think they would offer?
frank_costanza
A Sonny Gray/Carlos Santana swap makes a lot of sense. Provided the Phillies kick in ~$8mm and maybe throw in a fringe prospect.
justin-turner overdrive
That would mean the Yankees would be giving up Gray for the opportunity to sign Santana to a 2/33 million deal. Do you think they would sign Santana to 2/33 if he was a FA right now? All I ask is that you ask yourself these kinds of questions next time before proposing a trade, k? If the answer is yes, fine, go for it. But come on. They aren’t going to do that.
7 years of Jorge Mateo for 1 of Gray makes sense though.
Rich Hill’s Elbow
Would the Padres ever be interested in Miguel Sano?? Cuz I’m thinking he needs a change of scenery. Pads would probably would have to “overpay” for his potential, but definitely not as much compared to Suarez’s prospect price.
Friarfaithful117
I think that they would be interested but it depends mostly on cost. Maybe a deal headlined by Quantrill would be acceptable but Padres probably won’t move a top guy for Sano at this point.
mdogger12
your welfare check keeping you from seeing games live eh sluggo, dont worry trumps creating alot of new jobs maybe if you ever get the energy you can pick one up..
baseballpun
Yeah look at all those Foxconn jobs in Wisconsin.
Soapbox
Manny Machado may be the greatest guy in the world, But he would never play on my team. That attitude an be a plague.
justin-turner overdrive
Its funny because literally every team in the 70s had fistfighting in the clubhouse, but Manny playing mindgames to help beat the opposition is a “plague”. A plague of what? Winning? Dodgers made the WS this year.
If you can’t see all of what Manny does is to get in the heads of certain people to throw them off, then you arent watching baseball the right way.
JKB 2
If you cannot see that not hustling and not caring is NOT a ploy to get into the other teams head then you are not watching baseball the right way
Ken M.
Devers for Goldschmidt.
Sign Machado to play 3rd.
Repeat champs.
Slevin
Chavis for deGrom
Ken M.
Too much.
TooToughToScuffle
Never sign Machado, he’s a bum, doesn’t matter how good he is, let him bring down the Yankees. Pearce/Moreland would be fine at first, Goldschmidt would be way pricier than Devers alone. Money, all our prospects and some piece they’d want from our active roster.
TooToughToScuffle
Also don’t really see how the Yankees would dramatically improve from adding Goldschmidt. It would be an improvement, but they’ve got options at the position.
spudchukar
Wouldn’t be surprised to see the Red Birds move Wacha, Weaver, Fowler, and Jose Martinez. Would have to eat a lot of Fowler’s contract, but he has little value to them. Martinez would be a real plus to an American League team. Carson Kelly could be a key piece in addition. And while I am not really thrilled with a Harper signing, it may happen. They are in dire straights for a lefty slugger, and there just aren’t many viable options out there, plus they have the cash. And Ozuna could also be moved if they sign Harper. Goldschmidt and/ or Donaldson are also possibilities if Harper is signed, with Carp returning to third in case of a Goldy trade. A lineup of Carpenter, Goldy, Harper, Ozuna, Molina, DeJong, Wong, Bader, and pitcher is possible and doable.
coocoo
Sonny gray and dellin betances for kris Bryant
hockeyjohn
Would the Yankees do that trade if they had Bryant? Please stop with the insane trade proposals.
nunzio1749
as a yankee fan Harper makes sense in his lefty bat he could learn to play 1st easily but I don’t see Yankees spending all that money while Stanton is stuck here but with the Sox fantastic year who knows what a Steinbrenner may do. I would be surprised
TooToughToScuffle
Sonny Gray posted a 4.17 FIP. Put him in the national league and he’s just fine.
coocoo
At hockeyjohn why is that insane ? Secondly if you see a post you don’t agree with just move past it not all of us can have brilliant ideas like you. Sorry. We are human. I simply threw the idea out there because I think it addresses needs for both teams. Jerk
hockeyjohn
Coocoo, What would you say if I proposed Shane Bieber and Adam Cimber for Aaron Judge? You would call me a moron and other worse words. Bryant is worth a whole lot more than Gray and Betances and you know it. If Sonny Gray is so good then why are the Yankees trying to get rid of him and get different starting pitching, I am not a Cub fan by the way. You also didn’t need to resort to name calling. Grow up!
JKB 2
You really have to ask why trading Kris Bryant for a washed up over paid starter and a relief pitcher is insane? Sorry its insane and its so insane that you may get comments that say so like mine. No need to pass up responding to your comment
Chief Jay Strongbow
Gray isn’t worth much.
TooToughToScuffle
Baseball reference predicts him at 4.40 ERA next season in the AL EAST. As a back of the rotation guy in the national league he could do pretty good.
coocoo
In the N L central sonny gray would be pretty good
angler
How about a Julio Teheran / Sonny Gray trade straight up?
Polez
Gray,Bird, and Minor Leaguer for Gallo and Profar.