The Mets have found their new general manager, soon-to-be former player agent Brodie Van Wagenen, whom no one would have expected them to hire at the outset of their search. Here are a few reactions to the decision:
- New York made a mistake selecting Van Wagenen, who’s no more qualified to be the team’s GM than to serve as its first baseman, Buster Olney of ESPN opines (subscription required). Because of Van Wagenen’s tenure as an agent, there are conflict-of-interest concerns from Major League Baseball, the MLBPA and club management – all of which regard the hiring as “bizarre and inevitably problematic,” Olney writes. For instance, considering Van Wagenen has acted as the agent for the Mets’ two aces – Jacob deGrom and Noah Syndergaard – Olney wonders if he’ll be able to represent the team’s interests instead of his ex-clients’. Further, Olney cites one club exec who’s wary of Van Wagenen because of the strong comments he made during last winter’s free-agent freeze, when he suggested teams were colluding against the players. Beyond that, one talent evaluator tells Olney the Mets made a “very strange” choice, in part because Van Wagenen won’t get the necessary time to adjust to being a GM, and that banking on this move to work is “like expecting the impossible.” The Mets should have made a safer selection and gone with one of the many qualified front office execs in the majors, Olney argues, pointing out that Van Wagenen now has to learn on the job while dealing with the Mets’ much-maligned ownership.
- Joel Sherman of the New York Post echoes Olney in reporting that league officials and the union have issues with Van Wagenen’s hiring. Interestingly, both sides agree Van Wagenen should not be involved in arbitration cases for deGrom or Syndergaard during the upcoming winter, according to Sherman.
- While there are clearly strong opinions regarding the Mets’ pick, it’s anyone’s guess how it’ll actually work out. Van Wagenen’s not the first agent to take over as a major league GM – both Joe Garagiola Jr. and Dave Stewart did so in the past (each with the Diamondbacks), and Sherman discussed the transition with the two earlier this weekend. Garagiola admitted his background as an agent led to “skepticism” from his GM colleagues, saying: “Those first few GM meetings I went to, I was not greeted with open arms.” Stewart offered a similar sentiment regarding GMs, saying, “They look at agents as the dark side and agents look at them as the dark side.” Of course, as Sherman notes, both Garagiola and Stewart did have previous front office experience when they became GMs. That’s not the case for Van Wagenen, which could make his new career all the more difficult. On the other hand, Garagiola did name an advantage to going from a player representative to a GM: “Without question the biggest asset [brought to the GM job] is in dealing with agents in terms of contracts and negotiating for free agents. Many of the agents were contemporaries. My awareness of what the job entails gave me credibility with them.” For more from Garagiola and Stewart, check out Sherman’s full piece.
xabial
Brodie could lead Mets to the promised land. Could see success where many failed —convince Wilpons to spend
callingoutdummies247
Great Sarcasm!!! Made me smile
raffi
I agree.
JKB 2
Dream on. He will not lead them to success
Jockstrapper
Wackyland!
mikeyank55
No GM can eliminate the stripes in the Wilpon’s zebra stripes. They can bring Clorox with them to Flushing and even during the honeymoon wash them away, however the stripes always grow back.
met man
Boy!Are you a dreamer!
cbraz315
Wilpon’s Law— “Anytime a stupid and senseless decision can be made, it will be made”
Dutch Vander Linde
every decision they make is plain stupid.
deweybelongsinthehall
Too early. I do agree with him not participating in arb cases or direct negotiations with former clients. Such is true even if others handled the actual work as the mere perception of a conflict should be avoided.
Rocket32
Nothing to see here, just the Mets continuing to be the Mets. Browns are the more competent team at this point.
Michael Chaney
The Browns aren’t even the most incompetent team in the NFL anymore
tonysdog01
He no longer represents clients in future negotiations. This stuff happens in business all the time. They don’t want him to succeed because it’ll show you don’t need to be one of them to win. Ridiculous.
JKB 2
No. What is ridiculous is the hiring kf an unqualified person to be GM
petrie000
If he’s not quitting the agency entirely, his ex-clients are his future clients if he gets fired… So yeah, it’s not that simple
The union and the other teams have good reason to be concerned until they know the specifics of how he stands with CAA
Samuel
MLB franchises are big business. Most are run now with major considerations to tech, law, and negotiations.
The play on the field gets progressively worse. So what. The fans in America didn’t play the sport much. They don’t see it. To them it’s about entertainment and fantasy league. The players get such outrageous salaries they do what they’re told. Rosters change 4-5 times a week.
My first impression was that the hire sucked. But now I think this will be no worse then hiring a qualified person. MLB has been hiring unqualified managers and GM’s for over 20 years.
What’s one more?
bobtillman
50 years ago, the main qualification for a GM was that he was a drinking buddy of the owner. Or knew who the owner slept with.
But that was also the day when teams actually LOST money; less than 10% of teams actually made any. There was one and only one advantage to owning a MLB team, and that was tax consequences.
It’s all changed. Guys like Steinbrenner and John Henry have showed that you can not only make money with an MLB team, you can make LOTS of money. And so you need guys who take a more professional approach.
This particular hire? Can’t see it, unless he’s buttressed by HIGHLY knowledgeable baseball folks….not guys named Minaya and Richardi. At least Theo was able to admit to himself that he was clueless when he got the Boston job, and filled the office with all kinds of baseball guys.
This guy may not know what he doesn’t know.
Samuel
Just looked at the ESPN page. It’s a whole new world……
The analytic firm that the New York Times pays to poll and report on elections is apparently being paid to do statistical work for baseball.
This “respected” firm completely screwed up the 2016 Presidential, Senate, and House elections. After a year of polling and publishing, they are now backing away daily from their projections regarding the mid-term elections being held in a bit over a week.
One would think that they would be totally discredited. But no. After demonstrating that they know nothing about politics, now they’re instant baseball experts.
Gets sillier by the day.
JKB 2
45 years ago the Cubs were purchsed for 25 million or so. They are now worth 2 billion. Same can be said about almost every team 50 years ago so I do not believe 90% were losing money at all back them. No chance.
SDHotDawg
You don’t have to believe it, but it’s true. MLB teams opened up their books to auditors at the insistence of MLBPA (and even a Congressman or two, IIRC). This was in the mid- to late 70’s, and yes – the majority of teams WERE operating at a loss. It was big news at the time, and widely reported.
Dock_Elvis
Which books? Teams have kept several sets. Can’t convince me they have lost money on a 90% scale. Some team owners have also owned the auxiliary services at the stadium and billed themselves quite a bit…its all money shifting. Granted now teams have more sources or revenue.
I dont buy the small market myth now. Royals will likely see a BILLION dollar TV deal….tickets are jacked and the county paid for renovations. No excuse at all for clubs to have differing salary scales.
SDHotDawg
You didn’t read about it or see it, so it never happened. There’s literally a term for that kind of ignorance.
Nobody said anything about NOW.
bkbkbk
What are you talking about?
Competition is savagley better than it ever has been.
Also what does this vague nothingburger sentence even mean?
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MLB franchises are big business. Most are run now with major considerations to tech, law, and negotiations.”
As businesses get bigger teams are best full of top specialist run by a top generalist (preferably in human capital management and ultimate direction).
its_happening
By this comment, MLB should eliminate competitive balance and luxury tax. Free and open market, since the competition is as good as ever.
SuperSinker
These are mutually exclusive. You can think there’s more talent in baseball than there’s ever been (hardly a controversial thing to say) while also wanting to ensure where possible that the league has some semblance of parity.
Why does the distribution of talent have to do with anything lol
Samuel
“What are you talking about?
Competition is savagley better than it ever has been.”
lol
Thanks for making my point.
Competition and quality of play are not the same thing. But that’s how the marketing people reel guys like you in.
SuperSinker
‘I liked it better when Terry Mulholland was throwing 86mph fastballs to garbage hitters with garbage umpires’
sss847
ownership has to trust the GM and brodie has built a relationship with the mets over the years that led to this trust.
that being said, it’s still the mets and it’s still a silly move.
JKB 2
If it was only about trust then it would have been Omar Minaya or one of the others already there. They trust the player agent more then him?
There just is no excuse. No justification at all.
LongTimeFan1
I love this move by the Mets and VW – an outside the box move, cutting edge. Smart.
For all those who whine about it – lighten up. I know it en vogue to criticize the Mets. If another team made this move, they would no doubt be lauded with praise.
JKB 2
Sorry Long Time Fan no other team would be dumb enough to make this move. It a stupid move. You may be impressed that an out of the box dumb move was made but if another team did it there would be the same reaction.
Just because its out of the box does not make it smart.
Can you explain how its a smart move? You said it and I am really curious to understand
josebatista89
Boy the Mets about to f up the rebuild for the third time. This means that come August you will see your Triple A journey men players up in August MORE Often when they are out of it in June. They will bring back D’arnud. Sign a minor leaguer to play first. Try to get Famlia back on a 2 year 15 million dollar deal. Trout out Lagaers at Center. Folks life as a Met fan heres the first pitch and the seasons over.
lowtalker1
Mets for third time? I guess they were in the World Series 3 years ago. They have solid strong pitching when healthy. The only issue has been those bonehead moves for the hitters.
anthonym
Personally, as a Mets fan, I would have preferred to see them hie Chaim Blook. With that said, I am glad they didn’t go the retread way with Doug Melvin.
Still not sold on BVW, but if guys like Olney and Sherman are so against it then maybe I am for it 🙂 I kind of get the idea they are SO against it because A) They got beat on the story B) Don’t have the same relationship with BVW as they would with a more established GM type.
darenh
Hiring an agent seems to be either an insult to the profession and a grotesque underestimation of just how complex the job description is. Or the owners actually don’t understand the job.
oldhaus
There are at least two other instances of hiring a former agent to be GM or high exec, Lon Babby and Pierre Lacroix. They managed to avoid the issues mentioned above. Lacroix even won two Stanley Cups. Olney seems to expect bad faith from just about everyone. What an angry scold.
tharrie0820
I’m calling it here. His clients told him they want out of New York, and instead of telling the team they demand a trade, he decides to take control of the team and trade them off instead, only to retire immediately after. this man may legit be a genius
oldhaus
Garagiola, Jr, lead the D’backs to a WS win. Stewart brought the same team back to contention. Their former jobs didn’t seem to stop other GM’s from dealing with them. And I don’t recall any conflicts arising. The fears of these two writers are likely unfounded. Considering we know hardly anything about this guy, best to set tight.
SDHotDawg
And both had previous experience in the industry. Both had front office experience, and Stewart was a player and coach.
Those are important facts that you ignored.
oldhaus
The issues Sherman and Olney bring up on MLBTR ,I address. Experience, whatever. Like that has helped. As for ‘ignore’. It’s a post, not a journalistic long read, my man. But ask for your money back if you’re not happy.
GarryHarris
I guess we’ll have to see. If it works out, we’ll see more agents as GMs. If it doesn’t, we’ll see more flopping mouths unloosened.
lesterdnightfly
If something is unloosened, as opposed to just loosened, does it become tighter?
slider32
This could be a great move for the Mets, Brody actually is on both sides of the dark side right now. He knows what deGrom and Syndergaard want and where they want to go and he now can make the best decision for the Mets. There is no middle ground here, it also could be a disaster.
busmannyc
I wonder if the Mets management is allowed to sit in the same room or table during gm and owners meetings or do they sit in the dunce corner with a little table and coloring books. I’m a lifelong Mets fan and that’s how I feel
jakec77
So, here’s the question- assume it doesn’t work out, and in four years or so he’s out as GM.
Can he go back to his former firm? Won’t that mean he’ll have potentially been the guy who gave big contracts (or who didn’t) to the people he both formerly and then again represents?
Btw, the idea he can’t be involved in arbitration is absurd, what does that even mean, that he can’t be in the room? He’s inevitably going to be the guy who decides what to offer and where to settle.
oldhaus
There seems to be the idea with Sherman, at least, that this guy doesn’t have enough integrity to deal honestly while on the other side of the negotiation. Seems too cynical, but I guess that sells. One thing in BVW’s favor is he might be better at negotiation than the MLB guys he went against. Well see.
hellobrooklyn
Put a pc in front of any idiot that can find a blog and he’s an expert
Negotiate contracts and actually be involved in the business of baseball for decades and you dont hsve credibility to be a GM.
Seriously , fans rooting for front office execs is ridiculous. Either he will make moves that we like or he won’t. Its the Mets so every decision will be ran upstairs and approved. Nothing will change because the Wilpons policy is to only spend money if the team is expected to make money that season. They have no interest in building a winner through free agency that leads to winning and thus the organization making money. Its all year to year with them.
Sterling Enterprises is no longer their biggest money maker. Its the Mets and theyre squeezing every dime they can from this team