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The Angels will focus on pitching this winter, as they look to get back into contention under the leadership of new manager Brad Ausmus.
Guaranteed Contracts
- Justin Upton, LF: $90MM through 2022
- Albert Pujols, 1B/DH: $87MM through 2021
- Mike Trout, CF: $66.5MM through 2020
- Andrelton Simmons, SS: $28MM through 2020
- Zack Cozart, IF: $25.333MM through 2020
- Kole Calhoun, RF: $11.5MM through 2019 (includes $1MM buyout of $14MM club option for 2020)
Arbitration Eligible Players (projections via MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz)
- Matt Shoemaker – $4.3MM
- Tyler Skaggs – $3.6MM
- Blake Parker – $3.1MM
- Andrew Heaney – $2.8MM
- JC Ramirez – $1.9MM
- Jose Alvarez – $1.7MM
- Cam Bedrosian – $1.7MM
- Nick Tropeano – $1.6MM
- Hansel Robles – $1.4MM
- Odrisamer Despaigne – $1.3MM
- Jefry Marte – $1.1MM
- Non-tender candidates: Despaigne, Marte, Ramirez
Free Agents
[Los Angeles Angels Depth Chart | Los Angeles Angels Payroll Information]
Mike Scioscia’s 19-year run as the Angels’ manager officially ended after the team’s last game, leaving the team with an immediate bit of business to handle. Speculation initially focused on Ausmus and Triple-A manager Eric Chavez, though the Halos reportedly considered up to 10 names for the job, including such popular managerial candidates as Brandon Hyde, Joe Espada, Rocco Baldelli, and Omar Vizquel.
In the end, the team stayed in-house by hiring Ausmus, giving the 49-year-old his second crack at running a Major League team. Ausmus posted a 314-332 record over four years as the Tigers’ manager from 2014-17, winning the AL Central in his first year in Detroit but ending his tenure on the sour note of a 64-98 season that prompted the Tigers to enter into a rebuild. Ausmus received some mixed reviews during his first managerial stint, though it didn’t stop him from being considered for several other openings — he interviewed with the Reds this month and with the Red Sox last season, and also received interest from the Mets and Phillies for their managerial vacancies in 2017.
Ironically, Ausmus now finds himself in a similar situation to the one he faced upon his initial hire with the Tigers. He’ll again be taking over a team with several veteran stars on large contracts, and an expectation to win immediately. The catch is, Ausmus inherited a perennial contender in Detroit, whereas the Halos have just one postseason appearance in the last nine years and haven’t even cracked the .500 mark since 2015.
This being said, Los Angeles is facing quite a bit of urgency to get back into contention in a very tough AL West. Only two seasons remain on Mike Trout’s contract, and while the club is expected to discuss an extension with the superstar outfielder, one would think Trout would need to be firmly convinced that the Angels are on an upward trajectory before he even considers another deal with the team. Trout has repeatedly spoken of his desire to win, after all, and he has only three postseason games (and zero wins) to show for his time in L.A. despite posting numbers that have already generated “best player ever” buzz.
A Trout extension would be by far the biggest achievement for the Angels this offseason, though looking at things from Trout’s perspective, it would probably be more logical for him to see how the 2019 season plays out before deciding about his long-term future. He’d have more of a chance to evaluate Ausmus, see how the team’s forthcoming offseason moves play out, and perhaps simply to see if the Angels already have a roster that is capable of winning if it can just stay healthy. Of course, it’s also possible that Trout will simply prefer to test the open market and at least explore a move back to his native east coast after the 2020 season.
Another potential factor in Trout’s decision, and also a matter of much broader import to the franchise, is the rather surprising recent news about the Angels opting out of their lease at Angel Stadium. We know the Halos still be in Anaheim in 2019, though it remains to be seen if the opt-out could lead to stadium renovations, an entirely new ballpark, or perhaps even a move to a new city, whether it be elsewhere in the greater Los Angeles area or maybe beyond. This situation will certainly bear watching in the coming months, and could potentially end up being one of the offseason’s bigger subplots.
Turning back to the roster, Trout is coming off yet another superlative season, hitting .312/.460/.628 with 39 homers over 608 PA and contributing 9.8 fWAR to the Angels’ cumulative 24.4 fWAR for position players. Of the club’s returning players, Andrelton Simmons (5.5 fWAR), Justin Upton (3.1 fWAR), Shohei Ohtani (2.8 fWAR only as a DH), and rookie David Fletcher (1.9 fWAR) combined with Trout for 23.1 fWAR, giving you some idea of how top-heavy the production was within the Angels’ lineup. The team didn’t receive much from the catcher position (Martin Maldonado was traded to the Astros in July), and Kole Calhoun, Zack Cozart, and Albert Pujols were all replacement-level or worse in 2018.
There likely won’t be much change to the position player core, as the outfield will again comprise of Upton, Trout, and Calhoun, with the Halos hoping that Calhoun can build on a much-improved second half. Simmons will again be the infield’s cornerstone at shortstop, while Fletcher and Cozart will handle second and third base, though it isn’t yet clear who will handle either position. Fletcher’s emergence was a nice positive, and it gives the team flexibility in deciding the best spot for Cozart over the last two years of his contract. Cozart’s first year in Anaheim came to premature end in June due to shoulder surgery, and the veteran infielder is hoping for better health to rebound from this lost season.
After undergoing Tommy John surgery earlier this month, Ohtani almost certainly won’t pitch for the Angels in 2019, though he will still be able to contribute at a designated hitter for the bulk of the season. Depending on his rehab, Ohtani may not necessarily be ready for Opening Day, and the team might choose to not play Ohtani every day when he does return from the DL for the sake of his long-term conditioning. At this point, the plans have yet to take shape.
Even if Ohtani doesn’t receive many more than the 367 plate appearances he received in 2018, however, he still projects to be a huge part of the L.A. lineup. Among players with at least 350 PA last season, Ohtani’s 152 wRC+ ranked eighth in all of baseball. That was despite some rather drastic splits (1.043 OPS against right-handed pitching, .654 OPS against left-handed pitching) and, of course, the wholly unique factor that Ohtani spent half his time as a pitcher.
The Angels are likely to give Albert Pujols some DH time when facing a left-handed starter, as the veteran slugger can’t be an everyday option at first base given his history of injuries (including knee and elbow procedures this season). After his second consecutive negative-fWAR season, there’s little evidence to suggest that Pujols should still get any sort of regular action, and a case could be made that the Angels would be better off eating Pujols’ remaining $87MM in salary rather than continue to use a roster spot on such a limited player.
Until we get hints that the Angels are considering a release, however, Pujols will continue to be penciled in for a timeshare at first base and DH. Owner Arte Moreno recently stated that the club’s offseason to-do list includes “a left-handed bat with some power to play first base,” though such a player would be used “just to fill in.” Free agents like Lucas Duda, Matt Adams, Adam Lind, Pedro Alvarez, or Logan Morrison could fit this description if Los Angeles truly is looking for just part-time help. On the trade front, a slightly more versatile first baseman like Eric Thames could help at first and also provide corner outfield depth. In a recent outline of Justin Smoak’s trade market, I cited the Angels as a longshot choice due to Pujols’ presence, though the switch-hitter is an affordable short-term option ($8MM in 2019) who has crushed righty pitching over the last two seasons. Adding a player limited to first base, of course, would make for quite an awkward roster arrangement. Optimally, the lefty bat would come from a player who can also line up elsewhere in the infield. A player such as Asdrubal Cabrera could theoretically make some sense, though it’s unclear how much the club can spend on this need.
If the infield mix could use a boost, it’s equally true that the club will be interested in finding a complimentary piece to put alongside Calhoun. That role fell flat in 2018, as Young struggled with injuries and wasn’t effective. Presumably, the club will pick up a different right-handed-hitting outfielder for the season to come. Among free agents, players such as Cameron Maybin, Carlos Gomez, and Matt Szczur could receive consideration. There’ll surely also be plenty of possibilities on the trade market.
Looking elsewhere at the bench, the Angels will be open for business in looking for additional depth, likely in the form of veterans on minor league contracts. After all, there are some other worthwhile internal names to consider. Jose Miguel Fernandez, Michael Hermosillo, Taylor Ward, and Luis Rengifo are some of the young in-house options, and MLB.com’s Maria Guardado recently opined that the latter two players could potentially challenge Fletcher for a starting gig. Top prospects Jo Adell and Jahmai Jones both reached Double-A in 2018 and could factor into the big league roster later in the season.
The catcher position looks like the Angels’ clearest opportunity for an offensive upgrade. Jose Briceno and Francisco Arcia handled the bulk of the work after Maldonado was traded, and the likeliest course of action would be that the two rookies compete in Spring Training for the backup job or potentially a platoon role, depending on who Los Angeles brings into the mix. There are quite a few known veteran options available in free agency (Kurt Suzuki, Jonathan Lucroy, Brian McCann, Matt Wieters, or Maldonado himself) who could fit into a timeshare if the Angels still intend to see what they have in Bricano or Arcia.
The team is no stranger to a big free agent splash, however, so Yasmani Grandal and Wilson Ramos figure to land on the Halos’ radar screen. Of the two, Grandal is younger, a better pitch framer, and has a less troublesome injury history, though he is also going to require a bigger contract (and could cost a draft pick, if the Dodgers extend a qualifying offer and Grandal rejects it). The Angels will probably at least check in with the Marlins about J.T. Realmuto, though L.A. will be hesitant to part with the prospects necessary to land the All-Star catcher.
An improving farm system does give the Halos some notable trade chips to work with, though creating a sustainable future will require discipline. A high-profile trade, then, may not be terribly likely. It’s fair to wonder, though, whether the Angels have the budget space for at least one big new salary. The team’s Opening Day payrolls have topped the $166MM mark in each of the last two seasons, and Moreno has shown a clear willingness to spend in his time owning the team, with the caveat that the team has always remained under the luxury tax threshold. The Angels have roughly $146MM on the books for 2019, factoring in the $4.3MM saved in the form of the likely non-tender candidates. Adding one major salary would likely mean increasing the spending line. With a current CBT threshold of $206MM, perhaps that’s a real possibility.
The bulk of the team’s spending this winter, however, is very likely to be directed towards pitching. Eppler has said that the Angels will be looking at both starters and relievers as they look to augment a unit that has been crushed by injuries in recent seasons. In 2018 alone, the Halos saw Ohtani, Garrett Richards, Keynan Middleton, Blake Wood, John Lamb, and J.C. Ramirez all undergo Tommy John surgeries, while Nick Tropeano battled shoulder problems all year and Jake Jewell was sidelined after fracturing his right fibula.
Andrew Heaney’s first full season back from a past Tommy John surgery saw the southpaw toss 180 innings, which was one bright spot for the rotation. Heaney and Tyler Skaggs are the two pitchers who already have a claim to starting jobs, while the group of Jaime Barria, Matt Shoemaker, and Felix Pena will compete for at least one of the remaining spots in the starting five. Tropeano, Parker Bridwell, and Alex Meyer will be in the mix at least as depth options, and prospects Griffin Canning and Jose Suarez aren’t too far away. Ramirez could also factor in as late-season depth if he isn’t non-tendered, and while Richards isn’t expected to pitch in 2019, the Angels could try to re-sign him on a relatively cheap two-year deal with the bulk of the money coming when he’s healthy in 2020.
There is plenty of room here for a proper ace, an innings-eating workhorse, or both as the Angels do their offseason shopping. Expect L.A. to be active in trade talks for any available arms, while Patrick Corbin and Dallas Keuchel are the two top names currently leading the free agent pitching market. Gio Gonzalez and J.A. Happ are more durable, less-expensive options, with Happ delivering better recent results for the Yankees and Blue Jays.
The most earth-shaking move, particularly within the Los Angeles baseball scene, would be if the Angels could convince Clayton Kershaw to leave Chavez Ravine for Anaheim. Kershaw can opt out of the remaining two years on his Dodgers contract after the season, and would instantly become the biggest target in the pitching market if he did enter free agency. It still isn’t clear if Kershaw will exercise his opt-out clause, though it be logical for him to at least explore his options, even if he does ultimately want to remain with the Dodgers.
The Angels will certainly be in touch with Kershaw if he does test the market, though they surely won’t be a favorite to land him. They could also consider another Dodgers starter in Hyun-Jin Ryu, though Ryu comes with another checkered injury history. The Dodgers have not shied away from loading up on pitchers with questionable health histories, so that could be a strategy the Halos attempt to emulate. There are several other hurlers on the market who’d come with quite some risk. Most intriguing, perhaps, is Yusei Kikuchi, a top Japanese hurler who hails from the same high school as Ohtani.
The Halos bullpen posted middle-of-the-pack numbers last season, though they will boast a host of young arms even with Middleton sidelined. Blake Parker or Ty Buttrey are the top internal choices for the closer’s job, and there are lot of experienced ninth-inning names available in free agency ranging from rebound candidates (i.e. Kelvin Herrera, Greg Holland) to the top of the market (i.e. Craig Kimbrel, David Robertson, Jeurys Familia). With all of the injuries and durability issues within the Angels’ pitching staff, there’s also room for the club to explore using some of their recovering arms as swingmen or extended long relievers, perhaps with an “opener” in the first inning to take a page from the Rays’ book.
Even a moderate amount of pitching stability could’ve helped the Angels at least vie for a postseason berth in each of the last two seasons, as the team is coming off consecutive 80-82 records. With better health and another solid arm or two, it isn’t a stretch to imagine the Angels getting back into contention, considering that world-class building blocks like Trout, Simmons, Upton, and (even as only a hitter) Ohtani are already in place.
jdodson1822
Meyer was shoulder surgery, not elbow
bobtillman
The last paragraph says it all. There’s enough positional strength to be competitive now; fill in the gaps with warm (cheap) bodies. Every dollar should be directed at pitching.
Their other problem is the division; there’s some smart folks in Houston and Oakland; fortunately for the Angels, Texas seems just confused, as does Seattle.
They’re really in God’s little acre, between the rock and a hard place. They need a lot of skill (Eppler DOES impress) and a whole lot of luck.
Thurman8er
Or at least the absence of horrible luck…
JrodFunk5
Is Angel fan really going to blame horrible luck for being stuck in mediocrity? You have the best player in the world, a huge payroll, and can’t sniff the playoffs.
halos101
Using payroll as a measure of how a team should play is ridiculous. Pujols is the worst player on our team yet he’s eating over 30 million. You have to look deeper
cakirby
They also were one of the most injured teams in the league this year and last, and have dealt with unprecedented slumps from normally solid players during that time. Luck has a lot to do with it, at least in 2018.
madmanTX
Smart folks in Houston? Because they built a good roster by tanking for multiple seasons?
bobtillman
Oh lots of teams “tank” in one way or the other. Astros are good now, and if the scouts are right, will be good for the foreseeable future. Just because you tank, doesn’t mean you’ll reach that success level.
It’s not automatic. There are high first round failures everywhere, and big money international flops litter the landscape. It takes “smarts” to select the right players.
Djones246890
Astros and A’s have more advanced analytics experts in their front office than most other teams. I believe they’re both in the top 5, in regard to that.
HalosHeavenJJ
They found a way to give them an edge, then they hit on the majority of those early round picks. So, yes.
GrandpaBaseball
Luck, the last 6 previous campaigns have not had much of it. Maybe in 2019 would be a good time to have some Luck of the Irish.
SashaBanksFan
Opting out of the lease doesn’t automatically mean they are planning on leaving. They had to opt out by last Tuesday or wait another 10 years. This just gives them more options to work with. Plus it’s timed with the upcoming local election. They are hoping for a more friendly council/mayor and are planning to meet with them after the election takes place. This just allows them to negotiate.
Vizionaire
i just hope angels teach some “hitters” how to make contact with balls. many hit like .199-.230 and they were kept in the lineup everyday.
tsolid 2
As easy as it may look on TV from the living room, it’s very Hard to hit at ML level and those guys don’t grow on trees. Maybe it’s a talent issue and that’s the best they had.
Vizionaire
i, myself, played till high school untill i broke both knees. and the ones with contact issues had better days. which makes me think it has something to do with quality of coaching.
#Fantasygeekland
Can’t really teach professionals how to make contact like you can with HS players and little league, etc. it’s a little bit different when you’re talking about a one in a million player as opposed to just HS level players
its_happening
gangaji keep this in-mind; organizations are looking for watchers, not hitters. They want guys working counts and taking pitches rather than teaching guys who can HIT the ball how to utilize the strike zone. Easier to teach guys who can hit how to walk rather than a guy who watches pitches how to hit.
Vizionaire
how many major league hitters made swing changes and started making better contacts? who helped them? pitching coaches?
angelsfan4life
Top 5 things the Angels need to focus on this off-season
First add two top of the rotation starters. Neither Heaney especially his 6 road ERA and Skaggs who can’t stay healthy are top of the rotation starters.
Second, add a legitimate closer and set up man. Parker should never be pitching after the seventh inning unless it is in a blowout.
Third, find a sucker to take Cozart. That was an absolutely dumb signing from the beginning.
Fourth, get a right fielder who can hit.
Fith, get a good strength and conditioning coach.
fourth_dimension
Carlos Martinez from the Cardinals for Simmons. Cardinals need better defense. Angels need a front line SP. There ya go. Angels have tons of SS in their system, with one at AAA ready to go.
angelsfan4life
That would be a good trade for both teams, depending on Martinez health.
cakirby
This would be a terrible trade for the Angels, what are you all on about?
Vizionaire
1 simmons for 5 martinezes considering their war differences!
fourth_dimension
Forget WAR…..you trade contracts man. Cmart has one of the best deals in the entire league.
GrandpaBaseball
Simmons has a team friendly contract, is a very good hitter and even better fielder. Why would we want to suffer with no shortstop that would add to our infield issues at 1b, 2b, and 3b? Trading Simmons is not going to go down, Eppler is just averagevat this point, but the team needs 2 bats and a ton of pitching through trades, but not Simmons.
Vizionaire
fd, why would they trade him with such a great contract, then?
GeoKaplan
Simmons for Martinez? That’s funny stuff.
halos101
Crazy talk. Simmons isn’t going anywhere
Jimcarlo Slaton
Ausmus hasn’t been a good fit for the Angels and needs to be fired. Eating the remaining money he’s owed should be nothing for any MLB team.
bkbkbk
Nice
cookmeister 2
trolling? at least I hope so…. if not, let me get some of what you’re on
GrandpaBaseball
How did you access this? If Eppler is willing to put his rump on the line let us give Ausmus a chance.
HalosHeavenJJ
Definitely need arms. I don’t see an ace available but a couple dependable starters and one bullpen stud would go a long, long way.
Wilson Ramos is my catcher choice.
David Freese is really good vs lefties (Pujols is horrible) and would provide coverage at third. Not flashy, but raises the floor.
angelsfan4life
Ramos will cost around 12 million or more per year. The Angels have Cozart, similar to Freese. I would rather let Ward have the opportunity to be the everyday third baseman. Fernandez could also play third and platoon with Cozart. Need to focus the money on the biggest needs. Not needs that can be filled in house.
andrewgauldin
Cozart and Freese are very different players lol. Cozart is going to see time at third, short, and second. Freese can only play third and first.
HalosHeavenJJ
Freese’s career OBP is much higher than Cozart’s. Considering both Pujols and Cozart are coming off injury, we need relatively cheap protection at both first and third.
Also, the Angels were last or second to last in the AL in OBP at first and third last year. He would be a big help.
Add in Pujols struggles against lefties (he should never face another one) and Fletcher’s versatility, and the infield is set.
andrewgauldin
Wilson Ramos sounds like a good signing. I just really want 2 of the : Gio, Happ, Eovaldi group
andrewgauldin
I also want Andrew Miller lol. Jose Alvarez is not enough as the only lefty in the pen
imindless
I think ramos, eovaldi, happ will be shrewd signing for angels on a budget. Then perhaps the break bank for a miller or kimbrel.
halos101
eppler doesn’t spend on relievers.
madmanTX
I love how Pujols is making more than Trout.
angelsfan4life
Trout is making 33 million a year over the next two seasons. Pujols is making less than 30 million per year over the next three.
angels fan 3
Because he has an extra year of control
GrandpaBaseball
He’s not making more than the Kidd.
imindless
Lol told cat mando on here angels would have close to 50 million in spendings this year. A salary of 143 is significantly less than the 170 that they tried to claim.
angelsfan4life
Come on, most people on here, can’t do basic math.
its_happening
Midseason Outlook: tear and rebuild.
cookmeister 2
I think Eppler makes a trade for a starter we aren’t thinking of. kind of like the Simmons trade where it came out of nowhere.
Would love Ramos on a 2-3 year deal. We struggle big time with lefties and offense in general from the catcher position. Defense is still important, but perhaps with Scioscia gone , not up to par defense (in his eyes) will be overlooked for better offense.
Would also love Eovaldi on a 2-3 year pack.
steven st croix
They are not in good shape.
GeoKaplan
I would love to see Eovaldi sign, but by the time the WS is over, he will be a relative SP superstar. He will have priced himself outside the Angels budget for SP.
The trade to add him to Red Sox roster was genius.
rocky7
It was a calculated guess on the Sox’s part as the only trade partner they could match up with was the Rays given what they had to trade.
It worked out well…..got to hand it to them, but this was a guess on their part when the Sox were desperate for starting pitching.
Looking over his work for the entire year….good but not great….this guy is a walking DL waiting to happen and if he benefits from his good fortune good for him, but this is far from a genius move!
Vizionaire
that’s right. angels sign only hitters to mega contracts!
cakirby
Uhhhh… Haren. Wilson. Weaver.
smith_matd
Would there be any possibility of a team and player ever negotiating a contract with a clause that gave the player the ability to opt out if the team doesn’t win a certain number of games? I know MLB has limits on what sorts of performance can lead to incentives in contracts so I wonder if this would be something that could be negotiated between Trout and the Angels.
riffraff
I would imagine the league would not allow that type of clause – you don’t want to put the player in a position where he would succeed financially by playing poorly. Even though I highly doubt a player of Trouts stature would do something that unethical you also have to avoid the appearance of impropriety.
GeoKaplan
No.
dugdog83
Angels articles always have a lot of comments, I like the love you guys have for your team but you guys are gonna absolutely hate brad Ausmus by July. No creativity what so ever. He didn’t even call a hit and run until his 3rd year in Detroit. He had a World Series roster and went thru a rebuild and didn’t do a dam thing. Nothing. Have fun guys. Can’t wait for your comments come summer.
cakirby
Completely different situation, Tiger fans refuse to see that. If he does fail, it won’t look the same.
angelsinthetroutfield
Two trades I’d like to see:
1) Grenkie and $35m for Taylor Ward
DBacks window is closing and I’m sure they’d rather not pay Grenkie during the rebuild. Here they get $60m+ salary relief and a solid young INF instead. For the Halos Grenkie at $21m per over 3 yrs is fair for a staff anchor they desperately need.
2) Stroman Martin and $15m for Marsh/Walsh/Suarez
Again, Toronto probably won’t compete for a few years and surely want to shed Russ Martin’s $$$. Here they get a nice package of players who’s timelines coincide with Vlad Jr, Baby Bichette, ect. while getting $5m salary relief. Halos get an awesome GB pitcher to go with their elite defensive INF and a veteran C capable quality if his workload is controlled.
Win now moves that don’t completely deplete the farm.
GeoKaplan
If Taylor Ward had shown in his MLB at-bats he could hit big-league pitching, he might be an important first piece in a trade for Greinke. But no way any team would value him so highly to have him be the sole return for Greinke and cash. Ward is a good kid, but he’s still learning 3B (just moved there last May) and he needs to show he can hit.
angelsinthetroutfield
Fair point. Don’t think we should crucify Ward yet, as many major leaguers struggle out of the gates, but I’d understand if the DBacks wanted more. Jam Jones plus some lower level fodder would be the extent of what I’d give up though. $70m is a lot to digest even if Grenkie remains a solid contributor. If he slips that sum looks exponentially worse
papa fraunch
1 word–REBUILD
batty
Do the Angels really have a legitimate chance of contending over the next 2 years? And i mean as a division winner, not for a WC. If not, then trading Trout this off season is the smart thing to do. Maximize the return on the game’s best player and get blue chip prospects in return.
It doesn’t have to be a complete tear down. In fact, it can’t be. Not with AP’s contract and Ohtani’s future on the team. But if you get the king’s ransom for Trout, that you surely could get, then you’ve taken measures to contend starting in 2021 and beyond. Then, when Trout hits free agency after 2020, you offer him the contract you will be offering him anyway if he stays. Yes, AP will still be under contract, but if these last 3 seasons are any indication, he won’t be able to play by then anyway. Trout will be best fitted in RF by then and between the return for him and the prospects in the organization already and to come via future draft picks, plus international signings, the team should be ready to roll by then.
Sure, fans will be greatly disappointed by Trout’s absence, but are they all that happy now with not contending?
angelsinthetroutfield
I think they extend him if possible. If he wants to test the market they play out 2019 and decide on Trout in the 2020 off-season. The return would be a nice package but not astronomical for only 1 year (think Machado deal ++). It probably makes more sense to keep him and compete again in 2020. I think trading Trout pretty much decimates the chances of re-signing him so unless LAA gets the idea that he wants to move on….
batty
If he wants to test FA, then you are at square 1 again anyway. Trading him to a bona fide contender, this off season, to give him a chance at winning it all would be a show of goodwill. I mean, Trout can’t honestly believe the Angels have anything near a real shot to win it all.
Trading him with 2 years, rather than 1, of control brings back better than a “nice package”.
GeoKaplan
No team can afford to give up the volume of quality players it would take to justify trading a certain HoF player. It would bleed their farm and dilute the quality of the 25-man team. Why would a GM make a deal which adds Trout but cripples his team in both the short- and long-term?
And, of course, the small detail every amateur GM forgets: Trout has a full NTC. He can’t be traded without his consent.
RedRooster
Oh the horror. If only any player with a NTC ever got traded.
GeoKaplan
Not the point, Skippy.
No trade happens unless he says yes. All these armchair GMs who propose trades to White Sox, Marlins, or other teams deep in prospects don’t realize he has no incentive to go to a rebuilding team.
The teams which are set to win now don’t have the player capital to spend in acquiring the greatest player of his generation.
We’re not discussing what it would take to get Realmuto or Baumgarner—this would require a return on an entirely different level.
RedRooster
The White Sox are more likely to contend over the duration of Trout’s contract than the Angels. And there are a few teams that have quality prospects or recently graduated prospects to trade and are contending now, the Dodgers and Yankees for instance.
… SKIPPY!
RedRooster
They need to either extend or trade Trout this offseason. His trade value will only go down as he moves closer to free agency.
And trading Trout would have no effect on the chances of re-signing him! Why would he be mad at the Angels for letting him play out the last year or two of his contract with someone who has a better shot at a championship?
angelsfan4life
Yes the ever popular trade Trout. If the Angels would consider trading Trout, what would be the first they would look for in return? Oh that would be, top end pitching prospects. So that eliminates 27 teams automatically. Because I am eliminating any top notch pitcher already in the majors, with more than year already. So that eliminates, the Yankees. The Red Sox, have a worse farm system than the Angels. The Phillies have absolutely no pitching prospects worth even starting a trade with. That would leave, the Tampa Bay Rays. Who could not afford Trout. The Chicago White Sox, who are looking to trade their best hitter. For pitching prospects. And finally the Dodgers, who would be the only team, who actually trade for Trout without hurting their major league roster. So trading a player like Trout sounds nice in theory, but not always a real option. Unless Trout asks for a trade, I wouldn’t even consider it.
juicemane
Are Angels fans excited about the possibility of coming to Vegas?
Sin City Angels…a lot better than the la angels of Anaheim lol
angels fan 3
lol
Vizionaire
vegas is tiny.
juicemane
Did you name your junk Vegas? Did you find census info, i live here and its big dude. You dont know jack. Half the people here on a month to month basis live elsewhere and are rich af. 2 mil live here but there are 10 mil+ contributing to our economy on a yearly basis Thats whats small fish like you dont get. Strong possibility angels are out of Anaheim in 5 years or less
Pab
Lol. Vegas is a small market city. It’s a transient city. The reason why a basketball team or a hockey team came survive is because of the visitors/tourists it takes to fill an arena. The football stadium will work because there is only 8 games being played in the season. So there is limited games and seats. Baseball needs to be in a huge market where it’s easy for the residents to say “hey I fee like watching a game and it not costing an arm and a leg. Baseball is more of a casual fans sport. Baseball will never survive in Las Vegas. Geez. The 51 just barely have a stadium in the works. Now I live I Vegas but I’m a transplant from guess what? 1 mile away from angels stadium and the Honda center. The OC has way more money in the average household than the typical Las Vegas resident. The OC for how small it is has. Ahuge population. 6th in the u.s. and there is no land to buy. Also being 35 away from l.a. helps too. And the San Bernardino county. There are fans and suburbs to support the team. I don’t know of Las Vegas could even support and fill a stadium near capacity 30,000 for 81 days. They are too well established to m9ve form that market and there’s so much money there, the opt out lease is just a bargaining chip to build a new stadium… Probably in Irvine. He’ll maybe share a stadium with the chargers if they could somehow get out of that deal. Vegas will have a basketball team before a baseball team.
As for trout, next year he notified the team that he’s gonna leave or the extend him. That’s it. If he wants to leave. He’ll go nearby his hometown. Yanks Phillies. But he’s a quiet and modest man. He doesn’t go out and bask in the limelight. In fact that was a big problem for the MLB. They needed him to go out a show his face more as a marketing campaign to draw in fans because let’s face it. He is perfect for baseball. Thavall around American boy. Satya out of trouble, not wild and crazy. Not a liability. They had to push him to do that stuff. It’ll be hard decision to change his environment from Ornage county where he kinda blends in as opposed to NY or Philadelphia. Big big cities. He like his privacy. It’s one of the sellingpoints here.
RedRooster
“If the Dodgers acquired him they would still miss the playoffs…idk if I’ve ever seen flailing on this level. Ever.”
“Trying to block other ‘contenders’…I guess that’s assuming the Dodgers are a contender. You dont see the Pirates doing this stuff and they’re contending just the same as the Dodgers.”
“I believe it’s weird and cheap because they are not going to be contenders of any high caliber if they can’t keep up with a team Dave Stewart built.”
Oh look, they’re quite literally in the World Series as I type this comment. I guess someone forgot to tell the Dodgers they weren’t contenders this year LOL
juicemane
Did you not watch the first 2 games…no chance buddy lol
RedRooster
You said they would miss the playoffs. Not only did they make the playoffs, but they went all the way to the World Series.
… BUDDY!
juicemane
Thats right, i said…but who am i? No one…get a lif3
RedRooster
So this gives you carte blanche to post whatever stupid claims you feel like posting on here?
juicemane
Yes…this is the internet comment board momo. I think more than half of what you say is stupid too but mostly creepy and do you have a job? Watch the Dodgers spend 150 mil this winter just to barely compete in the division, struggle to secure even the wildcard. Quote me on that one in 8 months you creep.
RedRooster
So we’re just going to call me a creep because I’m not afraid to call you out on your ill-fated predictions that you so vehemently insist on and mock everyone who disagrees?
By the way, 8 months from now it won’t even be halfway through the 2019 season. Way too early to draw any meaningful conclusions about their season.
cakirby
Moreno isn’t going to move the team away from his hometown. If the Angels move, it’ll be less than 50 miles from Anaheim.
Pab
Irvine
Frank mora
No more Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim… Just Los Angeles Angels. They opted out of the contract that made them keep anaheim in the title.
Pab
The Los Angeles angels of Anaheim near Irvine in orange county California.
Rolls off the tongue…
Really reach out to the market
GrandpaBaseball
I always believe the Angels will be in the hunt! To believe otherwise is certainly more appealing to some, but I always believe. I believed that the Halos would win last season, but to much faith put in the pitching staff early on. I like the fact Sosh is gone. I like the fact that we have Trout and Simmons and Ohtani.
RedRooster
The smart move would be to trade Trout this offseason, gut another team’s farm in one trade, tank for high draft picks in 2019 and 2020 and then bring Trout back in free agency after 2020 when they should be on the cusp.
Pab
I like an eovaldi contract too. It’ll fit well if he gets injured….just tow the line with all the other pitchers that hit the shelves in the past recent years. It was bad luck with alot of pitching. Corbin most likely will get his payday in NY. Keuchel may be a possibility but that’s only if the angels are looking to spend a chunk.of Money
ilovelamp
No one else is going to mention the terrible take re: Pujols playing mostly against lefty starters?? He had a wRC+ of 84 against lefties in 2018, which was a massive upgrade over his wRC+ 65 in 2017!
halos101
I’m hoping they sign Eovaldi and another veteran like Happ, Estrada, or Gio. Preferably Happ but just depends on price
Bullpen should not be where they spend a lot of the ~30 mill they have to spend, to many holes elsewhere. I like Diekman and Joe Kelly as fits there.
Catcher and first is the only offensive positions i’d spend on. Grandpa would be a hugeeee addition to this team, and i really like Smoak for first base. However, if they want a guy more versatile i hope they look at Neil Walker. Should be really cheap cause his numbers sucked, but his hard hit % actually rose 4% and his BABIP plummeted. I think a rebounds coming.
And of course, they should cut pujols. They won’t, but one can hope. Maybe after the return to St.Louis they’ll start pondering it.
halos101
grandal*
Angels50
Angels can certainly fill there offensive needs in-house. A combination of Ward, Fletcher, Fernandez, and perhaps Cowart (if he ever figures out how to hit) can solve our bench needs. That being said, if Eppler does look outside the organization for another offensive player, it should be Marwin Gonzalez. Marwin can play any offensive position except catcher. He switch hits. He can play 1B on days Pujols can’t/won’t, He can fill in anywhere else on days he doesn’t play 1B. He and Fletcher combined solves our 4th Outfielder opening, saving a roster spot for another Pitcher. Marwin will probably command 3/$30MM year contract. But heck, we paid Valbuena $8MM last year and Maybin $9MM in 2017. Marwin’s a bargain at $10MM per year. If he get’s back to his 2017 numbers so much the better. But adequate power numbers, pretty good defensive metrics, and a head for the game, makes him a great pick up. Heck, Altuve admitted Marwin taught him how to improve his turn at 2B. That’s the kind of player we want.
GeoKaplan
Cowart is most likely a non-tender for next Spring. I’ve said before the team should explore making him a reliever (he is a pitcher who converted to INF when he signed because he hit well as an amateur). He’s been given lots of PA over the years and he can’t hit MLB pitching. His arm is still excellent though, so his best shot at staying on any team’s roster is as bullpen help, where his bat is irrelevant.
Otherwise, Fletcher and Marwin Gonzalez would be a hell of a Swiss Army knife on the bench.
cakirby
Should probably remember that the Angels have been linked to Machado for like 3 years, and a lot of the rumors last year were that Cozart would be at 3B for 2018 with the hopes he’d move to 2B if they went after Machado this offseason. I don’t think it happens, but that’s probably the biggest name they go after (unless the impossible happens and they somehow move mountains in a talk with Kershaw).
GeoKaplan
I was one who thought Machado was an option for the Angels, but after watching him at a closer distance during his time with the Dodgers—a time he should be auditioning for all prospective bidders—I am less impressed. There have been plenty of situations in the playoffs and Series when Machado had RISP and all he needed to do was put the ball in play, but instead it was a lot of long swings for the fences, leading to a strikeout. That’s selfish play to my eye.
As for Kershaw, my guess he does what Sabbathia did when he had an opt-out, which was leverage it for an extension.
Pab
Pick up eovaldi. Keuchel maybe but price may be too high. Get moustakas. Hometown let handed bat 4 years 40 mil. Rest on pitching or even trade for a pitcher. Hope skaggs heaney and anyone else stays healthy. Make sure pujols is batting 6th or 5th.
jima-2
Been an Angel fan since 1977, so I’ve seen a lot of crappy teams. Right now, the Halos have the infield and outfield talent to contend. The issue is pitching, both starting and relieving. The bullpen started to look decent last season, but this team has seen nothing but starting pitchers going down like ducks in a shooting gallery for about three years now. I don’t know what the Angels do for training and monitoring their pitching staff, but it’s not adequate. This cannot be random chance or bad luck. Spend the money on starting pitching. Maybe an upgrade at catcher, but if that team had not been trotting out people like Deck McGuire and Odrisamer Despaigne they would have been contenders.
jakelonergan
Hear him! Hear him!
stansfield123
Four “building blocks” ( three and a half, because Ohtani is a DH coming off TJ surgery) hardly seems close to enough, to hold up a structure that has about 50 moving parts, even before you count the coaching staff, training staff, scouting, and analytics department,
So adding two really good arms would still only amount to five and a half solid “building blocks”, surrounded by about 40 flimsy Styrofoam blocks, and one $240M soap bubble right in the middle of the order.
That’s a good dozen solid pieces away from the core of quality players you need to contend in the majors.
stansfield123
So if the Angels goal really was to win, they would move Trout and Simmons now, because now they’re at the height of their value, let Ohtani recover from TJ surgery instead of pushing him to hit in early 2019, and start building a team in 2020, with the goal of competing in 2021 or 2022.
lowtalker1
Grandal is a horrible catcher and got his knee rebuilt with the padres
Why you think the padres traded him? It wasn’t just his steroid use
RedRooster
And here you are seriously defending the Matt Kemp trade…
Philliesfan4life
With Eovaldi & Corbin off the market
1. Gio Gonzalez , Keuchel , Matt Harvey , Wade Miley
2. Andrew Miller , Zach Britton , Darren O’ Day
3. Lucroy or Ramos