With the Dodgers and Brewers facing off in the NLCS, MLB.com’s Adam McCalvy looks back to 2016 at the potential blockbuster deal between the two clubs that would’ve sent Ryan Braun to Los Angeles. The rebuilding Brew Crew were exploring ways to get Braun’s big contract off the books, and the Dodgers were a natural trade partner, given their large payroll and the fact that they were one of six teams that Braun (a Southern California native) didn’t have on his no-trade list. The most oft-cited version of the trade would’ve been Braun dealt to L.A. with Yasiel Puig, Brandon McCarthy, and two prospects going to the Brewers. According to multiple sources, McCalvy reports that the Dodgers walked away from talks within the last half-hour before the August 31st deadline.
Imagining Braun as a Dodger (and, not to be overlooked, Puig as a Brewer) makes for a very interesting alternate-reality scenario, especially given the domino effect that that trade would’ve created on the Brewers’ and Dodgers’ subsequent moves over the last two seasons. The deal will particularly loom large should either Braun or Puig end up being a deciding factor in the final three-plus games of the NLCS.
Some more from the NL West…
- The Rockies head into the offseason with a lot of position player questions, Patrick Saunders of the Denver Post writes, perhaps most notably at second base and in the outfield, as DJ LeMahieu, Gerardo Parra, and Carlos Gonzalez are all free agents. The Rockies might want to move on to younger outfield options than Parra or Gonzalez, while “there’s no indication Colorado will attempt to re-sign” LeMahieu, which could open the door for prospects Garrett Hampson or Brendan Rodgers at the keystone. The team needs to upgrade its middling offense in general, with catcher being another position of need in that regard. Due to Jake McGee’s struggles, Saunders also predicts the Rockies will have to add another left-handed reliever to the bullpen.
- With the Padres facing some tough decisions about 40-man roster placements in advance of December’s Rule 5 draft, Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune breaks down the current players on the roster and the several minor league candidates to see who is likeliest to make the eventual 40-man slate. Quite a bit of this conjecture is up in the air, of course, as Acee notes that “there is almost no player the Padres wouldn’t at least consider in trade offerings,” so even the Major League roster could look quite different by the time the Rule 5 draft rolls around.
- If you feel like weighing in on a question about one of the NL West’s biggest stars, vote in this MLBTR Poll about whether or not the Diamondbacks will trade Paul Goldschmidt this offseason.
If that trade went through the Dodgers and Braves would not have been able to do their large salary dump. So Braun would have kept Kemp out of LA
Doth that wind blow yonder that makes one think of what shall be another day, if yonder wind blew another way?
Past be behind us, what follows the alternate shall be henceforth lost to us. The fickle maneuvering of probability hath captured the imagination of what could have been.
I agree. The trade would have been good.
Verily, for sooth.
I’m glad the brewers avoided the head case known as Puig.
I’m glad the Dodgers avoided the cheater and liar known as Ryan Braun.
Yasmani Grandal was not involved in the trade though
+1
Bet you’re still angry about Watergate too.
Angry is one thing, being aware of the truth quite another.
I’m glad the Dodgers kept player who’s been more valuable over the past two seasons.
Too bad nobody likes Yasiel Pig and that they’ve been trying to get rid of him for years now. Also, how’s his postseason performance?
If they were “trying to get rid of him” they would have just let him go to Milwaukee when they claimed him
If they weren’t trying to get rid of him then they wouldn’t be looking for trade partners such as Milwaukee with Braun or the Mets with Harvey. I don’t know if you understand that teams won’t just give up a player for free on the waivers if they have some sort of value, regardless of their personality. If the just “let him go to Milwaukee” for nothing, then the front office would have been the laughing stock in all of baseball
“I don’t know if you understand that teams won’t just give up a player for free on the waivers if they have some sort of value…”
Sure they will. They do it all the time. See the Padres with Tyson Ross and Jordan Lyles this year or the Nats with Matt Adams. If the Dodgers truly just wanted to get rid of Puig, they would have just not pulled him back when Milwaukee claimed him. They were open to trading him if they got an offer they valued as fair. But they could say the same for pretty much any player on the team not named Clayton Kershaw.
Are you seriously comparing Puig with Ross, Adams and Lyles?! Wow, I am honestly shocked you would compare Puig with bench players. “If the Dodgers truly just wanted to get rid of Puig, they would have just not pulled him back when Milwaukee claimed him.” Idk if you’re acting dumb, or just trolling. THEY WONT GIVE UP A PLAYER FOR FREE IF HE HAS VALUE! All the other players you named are bench players, so it’s not like those teams could’ve gotten anything with much value in return. They actually ended up gaining a spot in their roster instead which is honestly more valuable than the players themselves.
“Nobody likes Puig”
Except for people who like him?
It’s not my fault there’s fans with poor taste
I’m not necessarily one for holding grudges, but Braun legitimately claimed he was being discriminated against and actively campaigned for a guy to get fired. Only later to admit he took PEDs and destroyed a person’s life without a shred of remorse. Puig was immature, and didn’t put the work in on the field. The two are not one in the same moral realm.
Exactly this.
Smeared the guy as an anti-Semite. They all lied, many claimed ignorance, a couple even wagged fingers but this fraud was the only one to “go there.”
Absolutely despicable.
I think your stuck in 2016. Your comments sound as if the last 2 seasons have nit existed to you. They NEVER would have traded Puig for Matt Harvey. They have not tried to trade him in the last 2 years because he has been very productive.
From the very start Puig was of one of the most popular players on the Dodgers, among the fans. This is another one of those timezone things, where fans outside of PDT seldom see him play at home so they don’t hear the Puig chants that happen every time he steps up to the plate or makes a great play. Sure, he might not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, and sometimes that turns into lapses, but year after year, he’s been one of the most electrifying players in the game, both offensively and defensively. He puts on a real show. His lapses in concentration landed him back in triple-A for awhile and also led to trade talk, but if that’s what he needed to get himself focused again, it sure worked. That, and his newfound father-son relationship with Turner Ward. I’d be surprised if there’s a fan in LA who wishes now that Puig had been traded for Braun. You only hear the Puig hate coming from fans outside of LA. Here in Dodgertown, we love him.
Well they’ve tried to trade him last offseason to fit a need not because he was a distraction. They also might try to trade him this offseason as he is going to be an FA in 2020 and they have a ton of OF depth. That said they aren’t going to trade him, because as you’re tying indicate he’s not productive or a distraction any longer. He’s more productive than Braun and more dynamic the past two seasons. He’s an extremely popular player in LA, so that dispels that notion. He was also extremely productive last post season. So I’m not sure what you’re getting at. He might not be the superstar many dream on, but essentially I’m not sure anyone is bemoaning the fact they walked away from that trade.
“Idk if you’re acting dumb, or just trolling. THEY WONT GIVE UP A PLAYER FOR FREE IF HE HAS VALUE!”
Funny. I was part of the same conversation and I would say the exact same thing to you.
Again, dingus. Teams give up players with value for free all the time. And if you look at the article from 2 years ago linked in this one, there were tons of people saying that Puig didn’t have any value and that the Dodgers would have to attach prospects just to get rid of him. This clearly wasn’t true considering the Brewers claimed him, but the Dodgers were never interested in just getting rid of him. Interested in trading him to fill a position of greater need? Sure. But if their goal was to simply get rid of him, he’d be gone by now.
Yup. Not all GM’s are as dumb or untrusted as the Padres’ Preller. It takes a certain type of skill to let starting pitchers go for nothing in a buyers market.
Hey “dingus” here’s a reality check for you, Yasiel Puig is more valuable than all three of those players combined. Mind as well say that it’s okay to give away young starting players for free all the time with multiple years left in their contracts. “Teams give up players with value for free all the time,” all those bench players that you mentioned are one year rentals, idk if that’s your definition of “value”. At least Puig had potential, all those players got what excactly? What could they possible give in return? Nothing obviously
Yes and that’s why the Dodgers weren’t trying to get rid of him. If they were as you claim, he’d be gone a long time ago.
I honestly can’t understand how this is going through your head. No team will give up a young, cheap starting player with multiple years on his contract for free. The Dodgers have tried to get rid of him by finding trade partners, that doesn’t mean they’ll give him up for nothing in return. How can you possibly not understand that?
Oh so you agree with me. I already said they were willing to trade him if it filled a need elsewhere. But you could say the same for any player on their roster not named Clayton Kershaw. If they were actually “trying to get rid of him” he would be gone by now. They had plenty of opportunities.
I don’t know how you could possibly think I’m agreeing with you. Yes, the Dodgers had opportunities to get rid of him, but the offers weren’t fair in their eyes. Theyre not stupid either and get ripped off and agree to whatever trade anyone offers them. You’re saying if the Dodgers really wanted to get rid of him they would let him go or accept any trade that’s offered to them. I’m saying they want to get rid of him for the right price. There’s plenty of teams trying to get rid of players, but there’s sometimes when they simply can’t for x reason. Just because they don’t get rid of that player, doesn’t mean they didn’t try. Seriously, how hard is that to understand. I think you’re a troll, there’s no way someone can be this dense
So we’re just going to call me a troll because you’re not happy with what I said? And the fact that it’s true?
If the Dodgers “were trying to get rid of Puig” as you originally said, any offer that involves him going elsewhere and doesn’t involve them eating salary or giving up prospects is a fair offer.
“I’m saying they want to get rid of him for the right price.”
Well of course now I agree with you, but that’s not what you said. You said that the Dodgers were actively trying to “get rid of him.” If that were the case then any price is the “right price.” The Brewers claimed Puig two years ago. The Dodgers could have not pulled Puig back from waivers and he and his salary would be the Brewers’ problem. And if Puig were actually a detriment to the team as you claim, that’s exactly what they would have done. But they don’t see him as a detriment to the team and so they wanted to get actual value in the trade. They weren’t trying to just get rid of him. They were willing to do so at the right price, but the same is true for all their players except Kershaw.
But you didn’t think about all that did you mullethead? No, you didn’t think about any of that. You just want to listen to yourself argue.
Lol go away troll, you probably know nothing about baseball lmao
Son, I forget more about baseball when I sneeze than you will ever know. That’s why I made you agree with my statement that the Dodgers were only willing to trade Puig if they got a good return (just like with all their other players).
Hey eduardo. How’s that Freddy Galvis extension you swore would happen working out LOL?
That is probably the most stupid comeback I’ve ever heard in my life. I’ve also seen you use that more than once, which explains how dense you really are, can’t come up with new comebacks, not to mention comebacks that are actually good. I never agreed with you, you’re just too dumb to understand apperantly. You said the Dodgers were never trying to get rid of him, which would explain why he’s been one of the most known players in the trade market for years, including this year. Unlike the rest of his teammates who have probably been mentioned once and then the rumors died out within thr next days. Go back to your basement and keep doing your research, it looks like you’ve been sneezing so much that you lost your brain
There’s litteraly not much demand fot SS and the off-season hasn’t even started yet so idk what you’re talking about LMAO. I knew you knew nothing about baseball
2.4 WAR in a single season is considered nothing? Wow, you really are dumb. That sucks that de Los Santos pitched a great game against the Mets though, he could’ve been a super star for the Padres just like you said. Lol, I wasn’t even trying to be an “edgelord” but your small brain probably couldn’t process that either lmao. If trying to trade a player for years isn’t trying to get rid of them then idk what is. But, I came with the conclusion that you’re just too dumb to comprehend, so I’ll just leave it at that. You should go to the doctor and get your sneezing problem checked. Also, ask them if they have found you a new brain. Best of luck!
How many WAR will Galvis contribute to an actual CONTENDING Padres team? Oh that’s right. A big fat ZERO. De los Santos doesn’t have to be a superstar to make that trade a loss. He just has to be serviceable.
Again, if they were actively trying to trade Puig, it would have happened. There was plenty of interest. But they were only going to ttade him if they got something that helped them more. No one offered that and so with the Dodgers he stayed.
You should go to the doctor so you can get a lobotomy. Maybe that will bring your IQ up to double digits.
Have a nice day!
Okay bye bye dumb dumb don’t forget to breath that way you can give some oxygen to your small brain
Don’t worry mullethead. Breathing is an involuntary function unless you spend a bunch of time underater like you do. Maybe that’s why you’re this stupid.
PS: I know how to upvote my comments and downvote other people’s comments too.
good for you, that way you can be the only one to upvote all your dumb ideas. Give me a down both while you’re at it, see if I care lmao. not like I can see them anyways
Says the guy doing the exact same thing but who is too much of a pu$$y to admit it
Wow, I’m so scared. A 12 year old kid with bad comebacks calling me names. Look, I’m soooo scared that you called me that with dollar signs. lmao, go back to your closet and Google better comebacks kid. lmao what a lame little troll with no life
You call me a 12-year-old and tell me to go back to the basement and I’m the troll? Those are literally the first two phrases associated with trolls.
And if you wanna see someone with no life, look at the guy who is sitting there watching this page waiting for me to reply despite having already said “I’ll just leave it at that” and “bye bye.”
Enough from both of you. Sheesh. This was actually a discussion about something until the two of you turned into an exchange of insults.
So having a qualty shortstop only matters when a team is “contending?” That’s one of the most ridiculous arguments I’ve ever heard. Unless you’re arguing in favor of losing … ?
You need some new material.
He made a mistake trying to be an a-hole to me. I’m generally a nice guy but I promise I can be a bigger a-hole than anyone here if I want to.
Yeah it does only matter when the team is contending. All Galvis did is cost $6.8m and hurt the Padres’ draft position for 2019. This will remain the case unless and until you can come up with some empirical evidence that having Galvis on the team in 2018 will lead to more wins beyond the 2018 season.
That’s not exactly a badge of honor.
Empirical evidence to predict the future? I don’t know whether to laugh at you or feel sorry for you.
It’s either that or accept that the trade was a loss from the get-go regardless of what Enyel de los Santos does in the Majors.
You keep arguing in favor of losing. That’s the only point you’re logically making.
No I’m not. You are. Trading de los Santos for Galvis is going to lead to more losses by costing the Padres a player who could have helped for the next 6 years. Not to mention costing $6.8m and hurting their draft position.
If the Dodgers didn’t want Puig and couldn’t trade him, he’d either be released or in the minors
You are arguing for losing. Period. Claiming that a productive ML player at a difficult position who has proven to make the team better NOW, has no value is ridiculous all by itself. You then compound that assertion by claiming an unknown, unproven prospect has more value today, based on what “could” happen years in the future makes no sense. I’m fairly certain you don’t have a crystal ball.
Ergo, you are arguing for losing. In fact, you’re fixated on it.
And in case you haven’t learned anything about baseball’s reality – draft position is nearly meaningless. Maybe you think drafting the next Mark Appel is a good thing.
@frankiegxiii no he’d be on the Brewers. They claimed him on revocable waivers 2 seasons ago but the Dodgers pulled him back.
“You are arguing for losing. Period.”
Again, you are.
“Claiming that a productive ML player at a difficult position who has proven to make the team better NOW, has no value is ridiculous all by itself.”
Not at all. How does a pending FA, no matter how good, have any value to a rebuilding team? He doesn’t. And certainly not as much as a 22-year-old high upside arm who is controlled through 2024.
“You then compound that assertion by claiming an unknown, unproven prospect has more value today, based on what “could” happen years in the future makes no sense (sic).”
There is absolutely no way Galvis contributes more to a contending Padres team than Enyel de los Santos would have. He may not be proven, but it is proven that Galvis will be a free agent before the Padres are contending. If Santos ends up a bust, then it’s a draw. If Santos can be even serviceable as a reliever it’s a loss.
“And in case you haven’t learned anything about baseball’s reality – draft position is nearly meaningless. Maybe you think drafting the next Mark Appel is a good thing.”
So are you saying that drafting lower means whoever you take is less likely to be another Mark Appel? if so, that tells us all we need to know about you. And FWIW I thought the Astros should have gone with Bryant even at the time of the draft.
You continue to confuse the future with the present, as though the future has already been written.
You continue to believe “rebuilding” means not being competitive, to the point of rooting for losing.
You contradict yourself on the draft: first it’s critically important, now you back off and try to use a straw man?
If fell face first on a bed of nails, you still wouldn’t get the point.
Eventually you have to start putting major leaguers on the field. You can’t hoard every prospect you have, you’re probably going to lose a couple in the rule 5 draft this year and/or be packaging guys to make space. You have to show some signs of life as an organization and improvement on the baseball field. Was de los santos a steep price for galvis, yeah it definitely was but acquiring galvis wasn’t a bad thing. You need to start turning it around and find guys who might contribute to that. Galvis still may be apart of the teams plans. You can’t just pick a year out of thin air and say that’s when we’re going to be good. You don’t go from 65 wins to 90 in an offseason.
It is your fault! Read your contract. Damn. Third grader come back.
Pee-wee.
@jbigz12 – Yup. Common sense. You can’t just pick a year, wave a magic wand, and suddenly have a playoff-caliber team.
It doesn’t matter how good you think your prospects “might” become. You need to have some experienced, proven, high quality big leaguers in the mix.
The only problem I have with Galvis is that Preller wasn’t able (so far) to extend him for the next two years. This team would have been – and will be – a lot worse without him.
“You continue to confuse the future with the present, as though the future has already been written.”
Galvis will be a free agent. The Padres signing him wouldn’t justify the trade because they didn’t have to trade for him to be able to sign him.
“You continue to believe ‘rebuilding’ means not being competitive, to the point of rooting for losing.”
Not necessarily, but it definitely means sacrificing immediate gratification in order to make the team better long-term which trading for Galvis is counterproductive to that end.
“You contradict yourself on the draft: first it’s critically important, now you back off and try to use a straw man?”
Obviously the draft is critically important. Look at the teams who have won the world series in the past 8 years. All built through the draft plus a couple key trades. And you’re one to talk about straw men as you accuse me of thinking Enyel de los Santos is a future Cy Young winner.
“If fell face first on a bed of nails, you still wouldn’t get the point (sic).”
Your garden is overgrown and your cucumbers are soft.
@jbigz12 The Galvis trade doesn’t put Major Leaguers on the field genius! He’s just gonna be gone after the season and the Padres will be back in the same position as before, only without Enyel de los Santos. And don’t try it with the “Galvis may still be apart of the teams plans” hogwash. They didn’t have to trade for him in order for him to be part of their plans. Better to have Galvis AND Enyel de los Santos than to have just Galvis.
Trading for Galvis won’t cause any incremental improvement. The team will just regress with him gone next year.
Obviously the Padres will have to package prospects to fill needs on the diamond, but trading for Galvis doesn’t fill a need. The Padres did not and do not need rental players.
Ask the Cubs, Astros and Twins about going from 65 to 90 wins in a year.
@SDHotDawg the Padres will contend when the prospects make it to the show. No magic involved.
Obviously prospects are no sure thing but even with pessimistic estimates about their hit rates, the Padres farm system has enough quality and quantity that they should be able to build a contender out of it.
“The only problem I have with Galvis is that Preller wasn’t able (so far) to extend him for the next two years. This team would have been – and will be – a lot worse without him.”
Therein lies the problem. If the thought of extending a player is a must for you, then you either make the trade contingent on an extension or don’t make it period. That is why that trade was stupid. The team will regress with Galvis gone next and because of the trade, won’t have Enyel de los Santos anymore and will probably be drafting lower.
For de los santos no I don’t like the galvis deal. The idea of trading for Freddy galvis to play SS and possibly beyond I don’t mind. I’m not sure why preller gave up a decent pitching prospect for a pending FA. That was just an overpay. But you’re talking about the same guy who ate 13 million to receive an absolute blue chip prospect in Bryan Mitchell. But getting galvis on the team a year early and seeing whether he fits in there is fine by me. It just shouldn’t have cost him that much. Glove first SS like hech were basically given away. Galvis is a slightly better player but the margin isn’t that crazy. And BTW ask the twins how going from 90 wins to 75 is too while you’re at it. Not sure where you got this idea that the stros went from 65 to 90 in a year either. Not accurate at all. They went from 50 to 70 to 86. Cubs did make a crazy jump from 73 to 97. We.can all talk about the padres farm but it’s yet to produce a real impact major leaguer. Maybe when Mejia/Urias/Gore get their feet we’ll finally see one. Joey lunchessi and Manuel Margot are fine players and all but they’re not winning you a division title.
They didn’t acquire Galvis to play SS “possibly beyond 2018.” There was no formal or informal agreement that he would stay beyond 2018. Preller gave up a legitimate prospect for a rental. If they wanted to sign him long-term they should have either madr the trade contingent on an extension or just waited a year and signed Galvis in free agency. There was no benefit to having Galvis on the team in 2018 and Galvis is not the type of player you have to trade for to be able to sign him.
Again, with the quality and quantity of the Padres farm system, if they can’t build a contender in the next 4 or so years something is very very wrong.
No benefit? You didn’t watch any games, did you. But then, you obviously enjoy losing.
Or, you are completely ignorant of Major League baseball.
I watched almost all the games. The Padres sucked with Galvis. They could have sucked without him.
They clearly aren’t considering they CLAIMED him!
Here is a solution for the Rockies via trade with the Cardinals.
To COL -> Carpenter, Carson Kelly (AAA Catcher – MLB ready for two years), Yairo Munoz (can play OF and IF), and John Gant (SP/RP)
To STL -> Brendan Rodgers, Peter Lambert (AAA SP), and Ianetta
Ian Desmond can move to LF, David Dahl to RF. Cardinals need a solution for 3B. Rodgers is ready for the MLB.
That’s a stupid trade on the Cardinals part. Carpenter was their best player last year, so a contending team won’t trade him. If they move on, who’s the first baseman? Would you trust a rookie who has taken just 69 uninspiring plate appearances in AAA to be an everyday player? I sure wouldn’t. Also the Cardinals are loaded with pitching depth, making Lambert unnecessary. Ianetta would be a solid backup and that’s something we could use, however
Before you knee jerk react you need to look at the bigger picture. This is a perfect sell high time on your MLB assets. That has been one area where Mozeliak has been slow to pull the trigger. Carpenter fits a need for the Rockies as Desmond hasn`t been good there. Carpenter doesn`t fit the Cardinals plans for the future. His contract is valuable still with two years (including the option).
Regarding Cason Kelly – he has been ranked a top prospect catcher for two years now. The only reason he is no longer on the list is because STL has been yo yoing him back and forth between the MLB and AAA with no role because of Yadi. It doesn`t mean his value is any less. He had a full season at AAA in 2018 and was very good offensively and defensively. The Rockies need a young cost controlled catcher. Kelly is that guy.
Brendan Rodgers is the heir apparent replacement for Arenado at 3rd..He is their #1 prospect and #15 MLB overall. He is ready. But the Rockies also have Colton Welker behind him at #2 on the prospect list so they can afford to deal Rodgers.
Obviously yes there would be a void at 1B, but that is easily filled via other deals.or utilizing other MLB or minor league assets that they have.
It is time to cash in on this MLB experienced assets they have.
Brendan Rodgers has 69 plate appearances in AAA and has been underwhelming so far. Meanwhile, he didn’t necessarily demolish AA pitching to suggest he’s ready for such a jump.
Lambert is superfluous for the Cardinals. They don’t have a use for him unless their are lots of injuries. With a rotation of Martinez, Flaherty, Mikolas, Wacha, and Weaver, he’s probably their #5 depth pitcher behind Reyes, Gomber, Hudson, and Poncedeleon.
The Cardinals should compete in 2019. In fact, they are a better team than the Rockies on paper. The Cardinals were just super unlucky in 2018. Getting rid of Kelly makes sense, but only if it’s for relief help.
You are assuming they keep that entire set of SPs together which is unlikely. Wacha is heading into his last year of ARB. He could be moved.
The other wild card is Cmart. He is the Cardinals biggest asset currently due to miix of talent, experience, age, and his very friendly contract. He has 5 yrs at 69.5 (includes two option years) for a 13.9m AAV over that period. That is a steal for someone of his abilities. They could move him for any number of key pieces.
Weaver`s future is up in the air. Who knows where his head is at right now.
My whole point behind putting this scenario together is because part of the approach and goal of what the FO started to do at the end of July was build for the future 2019 and beyond as was evidenced in the Pham trade, the Tui trade, etc. They picked up solid pieces for the farm that could be valuable in year or two.
You can never have enough depth with pitching so that is why I added Lambert to this deal because I assume either Wacha or Weaver or someone else will be moved.
The Cardinals aren’t rebuilding. Wacha is the most likely of the starters to get moved, but that’s an easy fill internally or externally. Weaver had better peripherals and should be a serviceable 4/5 starter I believe. Also he does Carp have no future with us? Yes he’s 32, but he just came off a 5 fWAR season and has always been a very reliable and solid player.
Weaver`s peripherals were awful in 2018.
vs RHB .291 .371 .470 .841
vs LHB 261 .315 .409 .724
at home 294 .360 .496 .856
at away 261 .331 .389 .720
4.45 FIP
8.0 K/9 down from 10.7K/9 the year before.
Unitl he develops a 3rd and 4th pitch he doesn`t offer much.
Rodgers is NOT the heir apparent to Arenado at third, Welker is. Rodgers doesn’t have the arm to be a third baseman. He will be the Opening Day 2B next year or at the very least he will be there withing the first month or two of the season.
Amazing how “super unlucky” and “defensively inept” are now synonyms. I love the evolution of language.
I look at it this way: if a player is “super unlucky” over a long period of time, he’s probably just not very good.
You shouldn’t ever call pitching depth, especially a top 100 prospect, unnecessary. Also, they can use Jose Martinez at 1B if they had to.
Seems like a fair trade but doesn’t really make sense for stl. Swap carpenter for cmart and have the Rockies subtract lambert and add ottovino seems like something that would make a little more sense. Carpenter has been one of their top performers for the last 3-4 years so I don’t see him going anywhere. Obviously I’m just an armchair gm but I couldn’t imagine a scenario in which Mozeliak would deal all of that depth and carp for one top prospect when they are obviously in contention for next year
Ottavino is a FA.
Ottavino is a FA. Can’t be traded. Besides Rodgers is going nowhere because with no DJ he will be needed at second. I could see Ryan McMahon or Garrett Hampson leading that deal though.
Swap Carpenter for Cmart and I ask for Rodgers and two more of their top 5 or 10 prospects. Cmart has one of the best contracts in baseball.
Delusional Cardinal fans trade offers means the baseball offseason is near. All we need now is the Yankee fans offering Greg Bird for Mike Trout and Brave fans expecting Nolan Arenado for Johan Camargo and an old Dale Murphy jersey.
Man……you need some new material. You are very stale with your attempts at satire.
Conversely, your material is very fresh. Every time I read one of your trade offers I have a hearty laugh. Keep up the “good” work.
It is fresh and exciting and outside the box thinking unlike your thinking. At least I explain myself in detail with reasons as to why the proposal works or doesn`t work. All you ever do on those boards is troll and berate other people with the conversations they are having.
The Cardinals don’t need a long-term third basemen, they just need someone to hold that position until Nolan Gorman is ready in two years. Signing Josh Donaldson would make a lot more sense than dealing Carpenter.
On top of that, you are way undervaluing both Yairo Munoz and Carson Kelley in this deal. A top, mlb-ready catching prospect would have around equal value to Rodgers due to the thin depth at the position. So you are saying that a 5 WAR player in addition to Munoz’s positional flexibility and surprisingly good year at the plate is equal to a backup catcher and a AAA pitcher that they don’t need? That’s not even including Gant on this convo. Cards hang that phone up easily.
The Padres are trying to convince everybody that Wil Myers is a third baseman. Maybe they should talk?
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Love how Acee cribs notes from the real writers over at the Athletics.
What is DJ Lemahieu going to get on the open market?
He’ll be lucky to get two years. He’s been worth 1.9 and 2.0 fWAR over the past two years. Doesn’t hit well. Defense is pretty solid. If I guess he’ll get a 2 year, $17 million deal.
I’d say he hits pretty well for a 2B. He was a batting champion a few years ago (I know it’s just BA) and he gets on base. He was hitting well this year until injuries slowed him.
Easily gets 2 years and probably 3. I’m guessing 3 years 40 mil
Anyone who give him 40 million is looney
Many Colorado Rockies players have won batting titles the last 25 years.
yes, and they suck when they leave Colorado
Really? Like whom exactly? This is the biggest myth in baseball. Rockies hitters have overwhelmingly done just fine after leaving CO, right where they should be (by park adjusted stats) or even a little better. Matt Holliday, Dexter Fowler, Corey Dickerson, Chris Iannetta, and many others had their best seasons away from Coors.
Well, if we use WAR , DJ has a higher bWAR over the last 3 years than Bryce Harper. I know Harper is way better than LeMahieu, and will make way more, I am not debating that at all but I’m just saying he’ll get more than a 1-year deal or I am delusional.
So don’t use WAR. It’s a meaningless fake “stat.”
WAR isn’t meaningless. It’s a measure of how you performed comped with the league. Don’t use it as your end all be all stat but it’s certainly not meaningless. You can take a look at LeMahieu’s coors field enhanced slash line and see that it isn’t all that impressive. I’d expect him to receive no more than a 3/24MM offer. He’s only 30 and he’s a serviceable 2B.
Of the padres
Franmil Reyes gets traded. I could see reyes being traded to the Athletics to DH for them.
The padres would have a lot of interest in Jorge Mateo and Sheldon neuse so I’m sure a trade could be had involving the padres and athletics trading surplus parts with each other.
Rowan wick is out. Spangenberg is out.
Maybe Puk- Mateo- Neuse for Reyes- Nix- Yates- Stammen- Hedges.
Puk isn’t getting traded.
And Mateo’s many weaknesses were exposed vs more veteran MiLB players at AAA last season. His running game was shut down and shifts stopped his slashing style of hitting for the most part.
Will be curious to see if this guy even gets to Omar Moreno class at the MLB level, which is what thought his ceiling was cpl years back. he doesn’t put some upswing on his bat and adapt and he may be in trouble.
Khris Davis is a pretty good DH…
Why do you want to trade young players not smart Rockies old on OF and Desmond and even Arenado moving along, somebody will overpay for Arenado and maybe you take less to get Desmond out of there as well, young pitching staff outside ridiculous signing of Davis…. go young don’t do what Giants have done old guys lousy contracts with a failed win now policy….
rockies will be a lot worse in 2019, how bad to be seen
“as Acee notes that “there is almost no player the Padres wouldn’t at least consider in trade offerings,””
The Padres front office: “We are committed to losing and will continue to do so as long as it is profitable”
That’s more the Giants
At least the Giants rang up a few world series rings.
And are now stuck living off of past glory
It’s pretty recent lol
Past glory is better than no glory at all (Padres).
We’ll see who has the most glory in the 2020’s decade
I’ve been a Padres fans since the mid 70’s and I’d love to see some Padres glory myself.. The closest thing to glory I’ve seen is Randy Jones throwing complete games on a really horrible team at Jack Murphy Stadium.
Won Cy Young!
That’s the ticket Padres will own decade of 20’s
50 years no WS and West Coast calling out Giants
Wonder what happend to LeMahieu this year.
Home .317 avg / .360 obp / 4 homeruns
Away .229 avg / .277 obp / 11 homeruns
You’d expect a guy hitting in Coors to have better numbers at home,
but he’s stats weren’t this extreme last year.
Home / road stats are not a very good indicator for a player on any team, but for a Rockies player they are completely useless. My main fault with H/R stats is that they unfairly penalize players with hitter’s home stadiums like Coors Field. Every player in MLB (especially those in the NL West) has their road stats pumped up with Coors-inflated stats EXCEPT Rockies players. Secondly, the Rockies in division road schedule included Petco, Dodger Stadium, and AT & T Park, three of the most favorable parks for pitchers in the league. Those three parks account for around 33% of every Rockies player’s road stats. Yes, their home numbers get inflated a bit, but their road numbers get deflated just as much if not more. I have been following the Rockies since their inception in 1993 and this indicator has always been useless for them. Of course, people are just so ingrained with the idea of the pre-humidor Coors numbers that it doesn’t even matter to them that since the installation of the humidor in 2002, offensive have normalized quite a bit. It is still a hitter’s park, no doubt, but really not much more so than Texas, Philly, Milwaukee, or Cincinnati.
According to ESPN, Coors Field has a Park Factor (PF: ((homeRS + homeRA)/(homeG)) / ((roadRS + roadRA)/(roadG))) of 1.271. The second highest right behind Globe Life Park. Also, it’s been on the top two for years. In other words, Coors Field give hitters a big advantage.
It’s not unfair to penalize Rockies players.
Penalizing a player just because of the team he plays for is the very definition of unfair.
Penalizing a player because of the stadium they play at is the perfect definition of fair
Off of what I’ve seen, I’d put philly and cinci ahead of coors. lazy fly balls enter the first two rows of the seats all the time.
I too think Coors is discounted too much. it is definitely top 5 but there are worse
Good point. Those parks have been known as “band boxes” for decades.
Coors as a MLB baseball field suck , I for one do not watch any game played in at Coors.. Bad stadium who ever built stadium Coors without dome was dumb. Snow game in spring and in fall check weather for end of October
Let’s presume, for a second, Colorado’s pitching staff is better than Cincy’s staff. I think we can agree on that. Doesn’t really matter for this decade anyway….
2018 – Colorado ERA at home – ranked last
2017 – Colorado ERA at home – ranked last
2016 – Colorado ERA at home – second last (Arizona last)
2015 – Colorado ERA at home – ranked last by over a run
2014 – Colorado ERA at home – ranked last
2013 – Colorado ERA at home – ranked last
2012 – Colorado ERA at home – ranked last by over a run and a half
2011 – Colorado ERA at home – ranked last
Colorado is the worst place to pitch. They are second to none. This should be a consensus among all fans. But you are all entitled to disagree.
What will it take for the Mets to get Goldschmidt from Arizona would a package of Alonso,Matz,Bruce and 1 of their catchers ?. Than the Mets can sign Corbin and Grandal. 1b) Goldschmidt, 2b) McNeil, SS)Rosario, 3b) Frazier, C) Grandal LF) Nimmo, CF) ? RF) Conforto. Sp: Degrom,Syn,Corbin,Wheeler and Lugo.
How about Wil Myers for Matz?
Please let this happen.
When pigs fly
Splits do matter. Look at all Cycles hit at Coors Field which mean nothing. 15 or so by likes of Todd Mabry and Wil Myers. How many at Fenway or Dodger Stadium. It’s why Todd Helton not in HOF and no Rockie has won MVP
Todd Helton not in HOF because he played in ridiculous park