While the Marlins have previously made it clear that they hoped to discuss a long-term contract with star catcher J.T. Realmuto this offseason, it sounds like Realmuto’s camp has other ideas. In an appearance on MLB Network Radio on SiriusXM today (Twitter link, with audio), agent Jeff Berry of CAA Baseball told host Scott Braun that Realmuto “has informed the Marlins’ ownership, he’s informed their front office he’s not going to sign an extension in Miami.” Berry also indicated that he thinks Realmuto “will definitely be wearing a different uniform” by Spring Training 2019.
That, it should be stressed, still doesn’t mean Realmuto will be traded this offseason. He was among the most coveted trade assets in baseball last winter and remained with the Marlins, even after Berry publicly requested that the Miami front office trade his client. Fresh off a terrific season in which he batted .277/.340/.484 with 21 homers and 30 doubles, Realmuto will once again be in high demand. He’s projected to earn $6.1MM via arbitration, per MLBTR contributor Matt Swartz, and he’s controlled through the 2020 season.
Adding Realmuto would be a transformative move for a number of hopeful contenders. The Dodgers and Phillies are set to lose Yasmani Grandal and Wilson Ramos to free agency, while the Nationals have a clear vacancy behind the dish after a disappointing two-year deal with Matt Wieters has now reached its conclusion. The Astros, meanwhile, will bid adieu to Brian McCann, and the Rockies have had issues behind the plate for the past several seasons. Atlanta recently extended Tyler Flowers through 2019 but will see Kurt Suzuki reach free agency this weekend. The World Series champion Red Sox, meanwhile, received underwhelming production from the trio of Sandy Leon, Christian Vazquez and seldom-used Blake Swihart. Milwaukee could surely look to upgrade over Manny Pina and already pulled off one blockbuster with the Marlins (Christian Yelich). The Angels and Athletics have little in the way of immediately ready catching options in the organizations, and the Twins could use an upgrade behind the dish as well.
Frankly, even hopeful contenders with established options behind the dish are likely to inquire on Realmuto, as he’d be an upgrade over the vast majority of backstops in the league. Only Grandal and Salvador Perez hit more home runs than Realmuto, while only Ramos turned in a wRC+ mark greater than Realmuto’s 127 (that is to say, Realmuto produced at a rate roughly 27 percent better than a league-average hitter after adjusting for his league and home ballpark). The average MLB catcher’s offense, conversely, was 16 percent worse than that of a league-average hitter by that same measure.
The Marlins could opt to hang onto Realmuto and enjoy another season of excellent production from one of the game’s best young backstops. But the concrete affirmation from his agent that there will be no extension talks does figure to once again stoke the flames, so to speak, when it comes to trade interest in Realmuto. Given the sheer volume of contending clubs who could use help behind the plate, it stands to reason that the Marlins could extract a significant haul of prospects and young, MLB-ready talent in return for their 27-year-old All-Star. And, with the clock ticking and just two years of club control remaining, odds are that his trade value will never be higher than it is this winter.
Good. They’re only hoping to make him more appealing to a club that trades for him.
The knowledge they have to trade him or let him walk at the end of his control is going to substantially hurt his value.
how would that diminish the asking price in any way. Any team that was looking to trade for him is going to get the same 2 affordable years that they expecting to get regardless of his position on an extension. His value is driven by the lack of equal talent at the position and the amount of teams that are in need of a catcher.
Because teams know the marlins have to move him or they won’t get any value for him so they will low ball them. They will bet a good return on him but nowhere near what they originally thought they’d get.
Realmuto will be playing for a very small amount of money for the production he provides and the Marlins can hold him through the next two seasons and still get a high draft pick when they offer him a qualifying offer after the 2020 season. The Marlins have no other decent options at catcher. They have no real incentive to trade him unless someone knocks them out with an offer.
The marlins have every incentive. They could get a defensive minded catcher like Rene Rivera for under a million bucks. They’re paying realmuto 6x that this year and one would imagine more than 10x next year. They won’t be a competitive ball club regardless and if he won’t sign an extension there’s really very little incentive for him to be in Miami. He’s well worth the 16+ mil he’ll rake in the next two years but the marlins can bolster their farm system and cut their payroll behind the plate in half. All of that sounds better than a sandwich round pick.
Do you want your team to be the team that tries to throw out a low ball offer?, because pretty much every team in the league will be inquiring about him. That means from the start they have to make a competitive offer or be out of the bidding entirely. As each offer comes in, Marlins can try to use that to up the ante, any low ball offers get you walked away from from the start.
They have every incentive to trade him, but only if it’s the right deal. He’s not making that much that they have to trade him or be doomed with his salary, ie. Stanton. If they get low balled or don’t get an offer they like, they are under no obligation to trade him.
@Natsfan, this does not in anyway hurt his value. It’s actually odd that people think it will. He has two years of control left. They dont need to trade him. No team could get away with a lowball considering half the league is liable to be in on him.
Teams now know that they can wait out the Marlins, and that the elimination of the extension possibility in Miami will make all teams offer lower. Miami has to trade him, now or later, or recoup no value. Teams beating each others offers will now be the only thing driving his value up. If you don’t realize this hurts his value, you don’t understand economics.
clearly you don’t understand economics. supply and demand: one jt realmuto: top 3 catcher, possibly 10 plus teams vying for him. That, coupled with his low salary and 2 years of control are the only things that were ever going to drive his value. it was already expected that he’d be traded if they couldn’t work out an extension and even if he did want to work one out, they could still trade him so how did this news change that. it’s not like they could have traded him with anything more than 2 yrs of time he had left
+fish
No one is saying that his trade value is low. Only that it has become lower since its not a “Marlins could/most likely trade him away” its a “Marlins are definitely going to trade him if they want anything out of him”. The Marlins hand is forced to make two options. Trade him or let him walk. Trading him is the most beneficial for the Marlins no matter what the trade is. If Realmuto were to be open to signing an extension, teams would have to propose better deals for the Marlins to bite, since their hand would no longer be forced into trading him.
The news didnt change whether or not they could trade him. The news changed whether or not they could keep him. They cant, therefor teams do not need to convince the Marlins to trade him, since they have to trade him now. They dont need to blow away the Marlins, they only need to provide the best offer amongst the other teams.
Keep up
Bencole baseball aficionado and part time economist. In all seriousness your theory is a valid one but his agent demanded a trade last year as well. I think the net effect of this is going to be rather small. Whether or not the marlins could extend realmuto the same teams would still be interested. A team like the astros might be more concerned about the Yankees getting realmuto than him staying put in miami on that extension and that could easily drive the price up that way.
Why do they “have” to move him? Nothing has changed. The perception has been he wouldn’t resign. This is not the first time he’s asked to be traded.
Haha bencole full-time aficionado and dude with an economics degree from University of Illinois before law school. But thanks for the tips fisharebiting. I don’t believe he has low trade value, only that massive value was lowered to solid value but non-elite today. He’s still one of the best players on the market, and teams will still have to outbid each other, but they won’t have to listen to the Marlins argue they can just extend him. I think this pulls the package down substantially, it’ll still be solid but you’re not getting a Victor Robles-type now, and I’m not as high on Robles as some.
His point is, the Marlins and all of baseball, fully expected him to walk as a free agent anyway. Thus, his trade value hasn’t dismissed one bit. The Marlins will have the same urgency to trade him regardless…. He walks in 2 years.
The whole “they have to move him or he’ll leave for free” lowball argument works a lot better when the guy is in the last year of his deal… They still have plenty of time to move him for top value.
You don’t think teams were already 90+% sure they could wait out the Marlins and sign Realmuto as a free agent before this “news” was reported?
The problem with that line of thinking is that they’d have to wait another 2 years before adding Realmuto to their team, and by then, he’ll be a 30 year old free agent catcher. At that point, his value to any team will likely be substantially less than it is now. MANY teams are interested in him right now because he is an elite catcher in his prime, and he’s relatively cheap. That all goes away if teams want to “wait out the Marlins.” It’s a poor strategy at best for a team looking to contend, and this “news” isn’t going to affect his trade value very much, if at all.
If he were going into a walk year and/or on a non-tanking team (next year), the loss of value argument would make sense, but in this situation, it just doesn’t. There’s plenty of time to move him, and there are too many interested clubs for his value to drop substantially.
Given the dearth of good catching and the years of control Realmuto offers, I don’t think there will be any shortage of good offers for him no matter what his agent might say.
The point here is that his agent went to the press with this when it’s something that gets discussed behind closed doors. JT looks like a whiner here. He and his agent are trying to force the Marlins hand. Which is not a good thing for a guy with 4 yrs in the bigs with 2 years of remaining control. Basically it’s another way for players to try and get around the CBA because they just aren’t happy. Don’t you think that a potential suitor may look at him like maybe he’ll be a problem down the road if he’s not happy? I know he’s a natural leader and a good player but imo you have to do your time before you can start making demands. To me he looks like a baby.
Marlins have to trade him this year now if they want his current value. They’re boxed into a corner. They can’t even pretend to try to resign him now.
Also, heater, it seems like you’re one of the guys suggesting the owners are only restricted to the exact language of the CBA, but the players need to follow the spirit of it, otherwise they’re whiners. I know that’s a bit of a leap from your actual statement, but I’ve see a few of these comments from people. No whining, and telling the public you won’t sign an extension with a team, are two things that aren’t outlawed in the CBA. There are things that both sides aren’t happy with, and they’re allowed to find ways to circumvent them that aren’t against the CBA.
+dewey
They have to move him because if they dont they will get nothing for him. They arent going to contend with him in the next two years, so its either get something out of him that you could use long term via trade or let him walk away and get absolutely nothing in return
There is no point here. JT made it clear last year he wanted out of Miami. 100% of baseball expected him to test FA and that he had no desire to sign-up with the Marlins. Thus, his agent made public baseball’s worst kept secret.
I’m surprised by the downvotes here. I thought it was common knowledge that the more that other teams see you as having to move a player, the less leverage you have in looking for trades. Yes, the Marlins could just hold onto him, but they’re rebuilding and has clearly stated that he does not want to be a part of their future. Would be a bad move imo to just keep him on a rebuilding team for a few years and then let him walk
Surprisingly, most people on MLB Trade Rumors dont have the slightest inkling of how trades work.
I think you’re missing the point. Everybody knows that teams lose leverage when they feel like they have to move a player – just like everybody already knew he wasn’t going to be signing an extension with the Marlins. This “news” doesn’t come as a surprise to anybody, which is why it’s not going to affect his value.
+Priggs
That doesnt explain all the comments claiming that it doesnt affect his value, when we all know it does.
But who had a thought that he would ever sign an extension with the Marlins. No one. What his agent said shocked no one. He demanded a trade last year when they moved Stanton, Ozuna and Yelich right around the same time. The only leverage they have is if they want to be spiteful and hold on to him until he walks as a FA. But that’s self-defeating so I doubt they would do that. Marlins hold no leverage. It’s either trade him or let him walk and get nothing. No one ever expected JT to sign an extension, especially knowing how things might end up if payroll issues happen again. I don’t expect the Jeter led Marlins to have as much turnover as previous owners but we have yet to see that.
Oh so we’re moving the goalposts here?
But there was always a chance, even though a slim one, that JT could sign an extension with the Marlins. Now that his agent publicly said otherwise, now there is a 0.00% he resigns with the Marlins. Pretending that his manager claiming that JT wont sign an extension with the Marlins wont affect what the Marlins can get out of him in a trade is beyond silly.
Exactly what Begamin said. There’s a big difference from everyone thinking JT wouldn’t sign with them, and his agent saying he absolutely will not sign an extension. I figured that Stanton wouldn’t sign an extension with them but bam he did. I thought it was possible the same would happen with JT but it very likely isn’t going to now
Really? There was someone who didn’t know Realmuto wanted a trade?
What drives a players trade value is how many teams want him and how much they want him. This will only slightly hurt his value, if at all.
realmuto to Atlanta as the number 1 catcher and flowers as backup??? yes please
Atlanta, Phillies and Astros make the most sense considering their strong farm systems
Doubt the Marlins will trade Realmuto within their division. As a Phillies fan, I’d love to have him. Best bet IMHO might be the Red Sox. And I bet Realmuto would be more than happy to sign an extension with the Red Sox. Might hit 30 HR a year at Fenway. Everyone realizes, even though Realmuto put up good numbers in 2018, that his home park and his lack of lineup support tempered those numbers..
What do the Sox have left to trade?
Red Sox don’t have any youngsters left to headline the deal though. Groomer or chavis wouldn’t get it done
ASTROS …
I can see the Astros.
Then trade him to the Phillies already then
Here we go. Let’s read all the fans who want Realmuto but propose packages that offer their favorite teams spare parts.
Why not? All of the OFers they traded last season were traded for spare parts.
They got a nice package for Yelich, but Yelich had a much better contract and was a much better player than Realmuto.
Eh. That’s a stretch. Yelich definitely had a much better contract, but when you factor in position, Realmuto had been every bit as good as Yelich until this year.
Yelich to the Dodgers for Keibert Ruiz, Yadier Alvarez, and DJ Peters
That enough?
Not close. And I might be the high guy on Peters. Alvarez unfortunately only has throw-in trade value now. And Ruiz is fine but not a centerpiece for anything big like Yelich. Sorry if you were being sarcastic, I’ve run across a few Dodgers fans who seem to thing Alvarez still has significant trade value.
I’m a Dodgers fan,and Alvarez’s stock has plummeted dramatically over the last couple of years.He is poised to join the likes of Jose DeLeon,Jharel Cotton and Grant Holmes,as young Dodger arms who initially showed a lot of upside and promise but eventually fizzled out.
I won’t give up on De leon yet. We’ll see after surgery if he can be a pitcher.
He gone
It was his choice.
Now the Marlins can add 3-4 quality prospects to their farm system.
The most important responsibility of being a catcher is handling pitchers, calling a game, and playing D. The Red Sox won with Leon doing just that. Realmuto can do all those things, and hit as well.
The article left out what will be a major suitor…..
The Yankees.
They can move Sanchez to 1B/DH. He should concentrate on hitting. The Yankees can think about trading 3-4 of their prospects. (The Marlins have no need for Bird or Voit.) Or they can find a third team to trade with that needs a power hitter like Sanchez, and is willing to part with a couple of top 100 prospects. Yankees can then add one or two of their prospects with them into a package for Miami.
Do not for a minute think the Yankees are exploring this right now. They have enough hitting. Realmuto would be a bigger addition for them then Machado or Harper…..and much cheaper. It would give them the dollars not just for Corbin, but Happ and another starting free agent pitcher as well.
The Yankees aren’t selling low on Sanchez or going all in for Realmuto. If they’re going to be trading any top prospects this offseason it will be for pitching
Yankees can sign the pitching. (And Sanchez catching hurts the pitchers they have.)
Example. The Indians….
Sanchez made $620k last year. Is under control through 2022 The Indians are in a budget crunch and badly need a strong bat. Sanchez can platoon with Edwin Encarnacion. Maybe even do some part-time catching if Roberto Prerez is traded.
Would the Indians move 2 of their better prospects for a big bat? They have the starting pitching. But are missing the hitting. Their window is closing.
There are other teams as well.
If the Yankees were going to trade Sanchez they would have done it after last year when his value was high. There is no way they sell low on him now. Plus the Marlins would demand Sheffield along with one of Andujar, Torres, or Florial plus other high upside prospects. Corbin is the only FA SP I see the Yankees targeting and will likely look to trade for another. They simply don’t have the luxury of pursuing Realmuto when they need to focus on the rotation
LF
1B
BP
SP
2B or fill in SS
Nobody is parting with 2 top 100 prospects for Gary Sanchez.
The Indians value defense at the C too much to give up that much for Sanchez, or close. And to the guy talking about the Yankees prospects, after the Realmuto news, he’s not returning anything close to that much. The Marlins basically have to trade him, now or later. I’d argue Sheffield is the ceiling of that package, none of the other guys you mentioned, and maybe a high ceiling far away guy (not in Florial territory).
Why not include Sanchez in a deal for Realmuto? He’s still young with a lot of potential, and maybe a trade wakes him up and kicks him in his complacent buttocks.
Rockies need to push hard for him. We got pretty much no offense from our catchers this year. We have a number of MLB ready infield and outfield prospects with no where to go in our org. Move them.
Nobody is getting Realmuto for spare parts.
Right? He’s arguably the top all round catcher in the game.
Why not? Aside from the Yelich deal, it’s not like the Marlins have really gotten a whole lot of prospect value from their other recent trades (Ozuna, Stanton). And Realmuto is not Yelich.
First off you can not compare this to the Stanton trade because it was a contract eater trade. For the Ozuna trade they actually did get a decent haul back, both who will be a part of the future for Miami. Finally the Catchers market is limited as always and finish an all star catcher is very tough so the demand will be very high on Realmuto.
Realmuto being a catcher increases his value some. Position scarcity means something. Also, there is a very large market that is going to increase the cost.
The demand might be high, but I would put about 95% odds on the results of the eventual Realmuto trade being that people here will say the Marlins did not get what they expected and about 50% on people saying the Marlins just gave him away.
I can see the Rockies signing Grandal
As a Rockies fan, unfortunately I see them doing nothing and sticking with the trio of Iannetta, Wolters, and Murphy because they have never put that much effort into the catcher position.
Grandal will be a good pick up for someone, he’s better than he performed in the playoffs. Dodgers have a couple of prize catching prospects hope to see them soon.
He is gonna be a Brave Austin Riley headlining the comeback with a negotiation on a pitcher. They said they were talking at the break with Soroka/Riley but with Soroka coming off injury I doubt it’s him. I say Allard but I don’t know if Miami would be interested in him. Touki, Anderson & Wright would be off limits unless they take somebody lesser than Riley
Dream on. Think more like Lux, Ruiz, and Ferguson from Dodgers.
If you’re a Dodger fan hoping on JT I’m here to tell you it’s just not going to happen. It’s just not going to happen. They don’t burn their prospect capital in the offseason. Essentially winning the offseason just doesn’t mean S, they assess and use it at the deadline. Secondly they basically devalue trading for an area they have depth in. And well they have extreme depth petty much close to knocking on the door. They also aren’t trading their lone elite prospect. Look more so towards the Cervelli range.
this smells of the dodgers. moves… with barnes not hitting this is a no brainer.
This smells of a lot of teams.
Exactly. Few teams can say they have a catcher that’s young, cost-controlled, and providing all-star caliber offense and defense. As a Yankee fan I’d like to see them make a play for him, but I know there will be LOTS of competition when he’s officially made available.
At the same time, I don’t want the Yankees to overpay, because I’d rather they use traceable assets to acquire pitching and make Romine the every day catcher (and just deal with the dip in offense from the position).
Barnes is still captain of our pitching staff and a great defender. He along with Will Smith spot starting can hold the position down for a year. Stop with all the Realmuto talk.
We have the best catching prospects in the game with Smith, Ruiz, Wong and the international prospect we signed.
You do have the best catching prospects around. Which is precisely why a team in win now mode like the dodgers should use that for Realmuto. Barnes gave you nothing with the stick in the postseason and Grandal was so bad defensively that you had to play Barnes.
I feel like by announcing this it just cuts his value and makes it more difficult for the Marlins to deal him
Nah. Too many bidders. The price isn’t going to be driven down because Miami is a motivated seller.
They would’ve gotten more last offseason though.
Marlins get someone running the team that actually knows what going on instead of a facsimile of one and it might help to get value out of players traded.
It likely does, but let’s face it. Between the Manny/Brice dance (who wins? who cares?), this will be the most interesting move this winter (can’t see Goldy going anywhere). J.T. is easily the best catcher in the business, all factors considered, and just about every team, including the Big Boys, need him. The bidding will be HUGE, even if it is a bit compromised.
And BTW way, Braves fans, it STARTS with Touki, Riley AND Wright…..those 3 won’t be enough…..maybe those three AND they take a Chen dump…..
For 2 years nah not gonna happen
He’s not worth it, keep fooling youself.
Hmm..this really isn’t that far off from the package I figured.
Wright or Soroka
Pache
Gohora
Contreras.
Three top 100 prospects, 1 of which is top 30 and a throw in. You might think this guy is nuts but Realmuto is going to cost someone a ton. Not simply because of how good he is but because a lot of teams need catching and Realmuto is the best.
The only caveat I will add to this is I can’t see the Braves doing a trade this expensive unless they can negotiate an extension.
That’s an overpay for Realmuto. I understand all the positives, but the 4 players mentioned should be top-100 on the preseason list for 2019, aside from a possible snub of Contreras and/or Gohara after underperforming. I’d rather what’s left (Wilson Ramos, Grandal) with the prospects. You can sign them to a 3-4 deal transitioning them into a backup with Contreras possibly starting in the future.
If that’s the package it will take, then the Marlins won’t be trading him.
It’s a perfect storm. You have the top player in his position who is young and cheap controllable for multiple years needed by several competing teams.
Its only 2 years though right? I doubt he gets two top 75 types. The Marlins have no choice but to trade him.
It cuts his value for the marlins. They trade him now or get less for an in season trade where he’ll play fewer games.
Catcher isn’t exactly a position teams want to trade for at the deadline expecting the pitching staff to work seamlessly.
The agent doesn’t care about hurting his value, he and Realmuto are getting paid the same regardless. It’s his value to the Marlins that is (in your theory) hurt, not the players. But because he’s such a valuable commodity there will be PLENTY of suitors to keep the price nice and high.
Orioles!!
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Just kidding!
NEED him in DC!!
I see Buffalo coming back before JT.
Who hangs up first?
Rizzo: “JT?”
Jeter: “Robles and Soto?”
Nats. You won’t get one of those guys for Realmuto.
Trade him to the brave
Realmuto
For
Kolby Allard
William Contreras
Christian Pache
???
This isn’t exactly spare parts but I don’t know that it get the job done. I think you at least need one more top 100 prospect and with Allards stock down, you may need to upgrade him to a Soroka or Wright.
This is a good reminder to say that the fans trade proposals that you make up, or see will NOT come true.
Trade him to the braves
Realmuto
For
Kolby Allard
William Contreras
Christian Pache
So nice you posted it twice.
They should have secured a extension before they sold players off
Hopefully the braves don’t trade Touki and/or Soroka. These two are the only two pitchers that have a good future. The rest are overrated and will amount to nothing but bullpen relief.
Yikes that’s a hot take.
Lets see. Folty bust (don’t care about this season). Newcomb..bust. Allard…bust. Gohara…bust. For a team that pride itself with young pitching talent, they sure have failed to see much from any of them. I don’t care about age and potential. Until they prove they have worth, they are all trade-able. The only exception I’ll make is Soroka and Touki. Soroka is the most polished of the bunch and has the best chance to succeed. Touki struggled somewhat, but he has true strikeout potential of the bunch and this team needs it. This team in general needs to prioritize their rotation.
Busted, all the way to a division championship. And they’re getting better.
They won the division because of Markakis breakout and Acuna’s surge. They also won because the Nationals decided they did not want to play well in 2018. Look at the records and you will quickly notice the Braves played terribly against everybody not named Mets and Marlins…especially against .500 teams. They are flawed and the rotation was a big reason why,
Freddie Freemen 6.1 war / .892 ops do anything? How about Foltynewicz break out season? Did that mean anything?
You don’t really have reasons just unsopported statements. You seem like someone who has an ax to grind.
That’s why they fired their pitching coach. And 2 players don’t win a division.
You really need to bring up Freeman? No **** he is a big part but him alone would not have net them the title. Markakis played a big role on this team this year.
As for Folty, you can call it all you want. Don’t be surprised if he is removed from the rotation at some point.
When you make it sound like two players carried the Braves then yes, Freemen has to be mentioned because then it becomes 3. Mention Folty and now it becomes 4. Now your opinion is starting to hold as much water as a cheese grater. But hey, good thing you are posting all this. You still aren’t giving reasons, just hand wrangling.
You’re calling Folty a bust because he didn’t pitch like an ace in his first MLB season, and same thing with Newcomb, even though he didn’t pitch bad.
You’re overvaluing Kakes first 2 months and not looking at his entire 2018. Yes, he was valuable by his ability to his lefties but he was a small part of a lot of breakouts. You could even say Albies was better during that time and less consistent as the season wore on.
They had a good offense in 2016 too
I’ve seen your posts and know you’re a troll not worth responding too but being third in starting pitching era is why they went as far as they did
Lol at everyone a bust in your mind
Man..and the Braves spend on this money on scouts when they could just hire you.
I think a package for JTR will have to at least include a top 30 prospect, and two top 100 with a throw in.The Marlins are far from contention so they won’t be looking for MLB ready talent.
Soroka or Wright
Pache
Gohora
Contreras
The Marlins actually need a SS. Rockies and Dodgers loom large.
The Marlins are rebuilding. They need everything.
A traded highlighted by Brendan Rodgers for JT should pique the Fish’s interest.
Yes, with best catcher and OF prospects incl.
Not gonna happen. Rox would probably send Hampson and/or McMahon though. Realmuto only has 2 years of control left, you’re not getting a top 20 prospect for him. Fish messed up by not trading him last year.
And if the Rox are only offering Mcmahon and Hampson the rockies will easily find a better package. Mcmahon’s value is at the lowest its been right now. Look at what it took for a year and a half of Lucroy. It’ll take at least that much. Or you don’t get Realmuto, it’s that simple.
Haha, the Braves might be willing to send them Dansby.
Probably not, actually. The Braves are going to give Swanson time to develop. He is one of the best defensive SS in the game.
I doubt we all want to see a repeat of the Andrelton Simmons trade. How much do we all regret that one? We got a failed pitching prospect and Newcomb. Newcomb was a league average pitcher last year and still has potential to become more but because of how productive Simmons is these days, Newcomb almost has to become an ace for the trade to be worth it.
I was joking (mostly).
The Simmons deal was panned from the start by fans and sports writers alike. In my mind it ranks up there with the Teixiera trade and the Wainwright/Drew trade as the worst of the past 3 decades. But still not as bad as the Olivera deal.
You’re right, Braves won’t move their “golden boy” SS, He’s had enough time to develop / adjust, but MLB pitching has adjusted better than he.
I’m still not willing to judge to Olivera deal until we see how Joey Wentz pans out.
If you think Dansby Swanson is anywhere near Simmons level defensively I wonder if you even watch baseball
Dansby is a plus defender but it’s not good enough to carry his mediocre hitting if that continues
The value Simmons brought on the other hand simply from defense was absurd and while it would have been nice to get him to become more of an offensive threat his defense will always keep him a starter
Swanson is eventually a defensive replacement if his bat doesn’t get better
Because the marlins need for starters isn’t there too. Or a catcher to replace realmuto. They have tons of needs. SS is just the tip of the iceberg
Exactly. They don’t have any players established for the future yet. They need the parts so they can find them.
If the Astros get this dude it’s Ballgame
Brewers!
Hiura and Burnes!
Now THAT makes sense…..might take another lower-tier type, but that’s the most structurally sound idea suggested, including those down below…..it’s value; gotta agree with KLAW, I think Burns is going to be huge…..
I’d love to see realmuto and dietrich in a package to the brewers. Probably not going to happen.
Dodgers probably aren’t interested in Realmuto. He doesn’t strike out enough to fit with their offensive philosophy.
I just spit up my coffee. Best comment today.
Braves country; say hello to your catcher of the future and future ace in Corbin. Just warming up the stove.. Lets go!
How about Carter Kieboom, Michael A. Taylor and Erick Feede from Nationals? I know Marlins would want Robles but he’s untouchable IMO.
I don’t think that’s near enough. Especially since it’s an division trade, the Marlins would need at least one of the two young outfielders going back.
Yeah. Feede isn’t “young” anymore. Almost a bust right? Michael A Taylor only has 1-2 more years of control, and the Marlins are looking for 5+ years of control. JD is right, it’s gonna take Robles and Kieboom. Or Soto and keiboom but I think the nats would prefer to deal Robles after Soto’s season
The trading in the division thing is more of an issue for the team sending the prospects than it is the team dealing a guy with two years on his contract when Miami won’t even be close to contending in the next two years
It’s really s non factor from Miami’s standpoint
If your argument is they can extend him beyond two years that’s no more likely than him hitting FA in two years making him available to everyone to sign anyway
Not sure how this trading in the division comment keeps coming up as some extra barrier for NL East teams
If anything they’ll be more hesitant to offer a ton of prospects not give Miami more as extra compensation for having to see him for two years when they aren’t expected to be competitive anyway
I think you have a good start with Kieboom but I can’t imagine Taylor being to interesting. I don’t know what Miami has in mind exactly but players already contributing at the major league level isn’t young enough. They need prospects. I don’t see how Washington can do it without Robles.
Something like Kieboom/Garcia/Romero/Read might actually work
More like Robles and SS Keiboom would be a great starting point for JT
A top 10 and a top 40 is called deal done.
If you got Robles and kieboom that’d be offer accepted. It’s only 2 years of control of realmuto. This isn’t a guy like yelich that you’re getting for 4 years. Getting Robles and kieboom would be a great deal for MIA
and will never happen
I looked at the Angels and A’s as trade partners and came up with this:
Angels receive: JT
Marlins receive: Jo Adell, Jordyn Adams, and Jose Soriano
This is a bit weighted in the Marlins favor but the angels only have Trout for a couple seasons and don’t have a ton of money to spend on FA. They might be willing to overpay.
A’s receive: JT
Marlins receive: Sean Murphy, Austin Beck, Nick Allen
The fish get a really good catching prospect in Murphy (currently #4) while the A’s get the proven best catcher in baseball to replace FA to be Lucroy. I would be okay with just Murphy and Beck but whatever ask for the moon when you have a player like JT.
Fish would def be intrigued with Angels offer headlined by Adell but would need more quality
. Luzardo or Puk should be headliners for any A’s offer
Marlins will need a catcher if trading Realmuto.
They’ve drafted a really good one this past year.
Do the marlins not need pitchers? And outfielders? And a first baseman? They don’t have one set “need.” They have tons of needs. They need best players available.
I thought about both but the A’s want Luzardo to be in their rotation for 19’ and Puk coming back from TJS is kinda risky. He will probably be just as good if not better but didn’t think the risk was worth it.
Austin Beck has the potential to be a mini mike trout from what I’ve read and Murphy has the makings of JT so that’s why I chose them.
Morales I think you may substantially overestimate the haul… Marlins are in “have to trade JT” territory. Angels aren’t giving Adell back for him. Nor is anyone likely to give back an elite prospect for him. Kieboom or Sheffield are probably the top headline pieces that the fish could get back. I dont know the Nats do that for 2 years of Realmuto even. The A’s offer made by the same guy is probably more like it.
Why do the Angels hate having any farm depth so much?
At least they are nipping the false hope of an extension right in the bud. Galvis and Machado should have done the same.
I’m just sayin’…..Gary Sanchez has another year of pre-arb left, and can be packaged with some other mid-tier prospects from a rich system…..gets rid of a butt-ache for the Yanks, but Sanchez has value because of the bat….can be dealt next winter…..maybe Yanks takes Castro off their hands?……
Seems like it could be done…..
Lol
Yanks send Gary and Ellsbury for JT, Castro and 20mill.
Sarcasm says hello guys.
Lol
Sanchez and some mid tiers for realmuto? That’d be rather stupid considering other teams will be offering top prospects.
Mr.Luhnow is on line 1
That is a hellacious trade. Ellsbury has more negative value than Castro. The only team less likely than the Marlins to send money with a trade is the Mets. JT is getting a top 25 prospect, a top 50-100 prospect, and a low A lotto ticket or two.
Realmuto is the best C in MLB, he is an upgrade over every single C in baseball. If your trade proposal doesn’t include a massive haul for him, then it’s not worth posting.
Yep. Best player at MLB’s worst hitting position, is young, cheap and controllable for 2 years and every competitor will want him. This is going to be expensive.
Ellsbury is going to the Mariners with the Yankees either eating half his contract or eating part of it and sending them a prospect with Ellsbury
But either way he will be going home to the northwest
Mariners need a CF
Nobody wants Ellsbury, Yanks better get used to paying high salaries for years on players that are washed up….couch couch Stanton
Wtf is “couch couch”?
I’d suggest that no one would take Ellsbury for $3 mil and no prosprects
Its so uncanny for an agent to go on television and directly stat that. Probably has a lot to do with him wanting out last offseason and having to play a year in Miami. Sends a clear message to the Marlins that now is the best time to shop him.
What does Boston have to offer that they would consider giving up? The team proved big regular season numbers don’t always equate to playoff success. Vazquez and Leon are solid behind the dish and both are just hitting their prime. I’m not saying an upgrade wouldn’t be considered but I just believe others have much more to offer than what they would consider moving. Depending on what free agents Eovaldi, Kimbrel and Kelly do (never mind Price who I assume will not opt out), any assets they part with will probably be for pitching.
Maybe 2 of Chavis, Mata, Groome. Then maybe a few low ball lotto type guys. And maybe throw in Swihart for the hell of it. I honestly don’t see the Marlins accepting this unless those low ball lotto guys are necessarily lottery type, they can legitimately be something, maybe like Roniel Raudes or something.
Boston has no chance without subtracting a major piece from their big league roster. It’s not going to happen.
Realmuto for barreto and sean murphy would that be enough?
Doubt it.
I think so… although I don’t know how Marlins scouting values him as he doesn’t walk.
Him being Barreto
The Braves extended the wrong catcher, Suzuki is a better player/catcher than Flowers.
Think about this for a moment;
Kurt Suzuki 347 AB 12 HR 50RBI .271BA OBP .332 SLG .444 OPS .776 CS 19% League 28% PB 3
J T Realmuto 477 AB 21 HR 74 RBI .277BA OBP .340 SLG .484 OPS .825 CS 38% League 28% PB 8
Tyler Flowers 251 AB 8HR 30 RBI .227BA OBP.341 SLG .359 OPS .700 CS 23% PB 8
Realmuto excellent at throwing runners out. Solid hitting.
Suzuki 130 less AB and still solid across the board.. Suzuki is really very under rated & under valued, and he only just turned 35 in which my opinion for a catcher is still not ‘old’.
Suzuki is perennially one of the worst in the league in both pitch-framing and throwing out runners. Flowers doesn’t throw especially well himself but is better than Suzuki in that regard and is typically among the league leaders, if not the league leader, in pitch-framing. They kept the better defender/the guy who is two-plus years younger. And, perhaps, the guy more willing to take a one-year deal.
Steve,
Thanks for the reply. Based on 2018 there’s a 4% difference in runners thrown out in favour of Flowers.
I can concede the part about framing, but as far as I am concerned Suzuki still calls the better game, even though he may not frame pitches well.
Flowers is too inconsistent at the plate and offers very little in offense, but I accept the points you made.
Flowers’ offense should rebound somewhat, maybe not to 2017 standards. That being said, it’s not bad production from someone playing mostly as a backup but definitely underperforming if he’s the primary backstop. I imagine they’re envisioning going after someone else this season being the reason for that sweetheart deal, which isn’t bad for both sides.
I’d like to see the Phillies or Braves go for it!
On an unrelated note (and because I dont have a better place to pose the question) I wonder if Joey Votto regrets his extension. Maybe thats why players will make this the norm. See Stanton as an example.
I doubt it. He’s repeatedly stated that he has no desire to be traded and wants to remain in Cincinnati (and, with full no-trade rights, will continue to be there).
Who does this kid think he is? Needs to grow up or hire a different agent.
The Marlins wanted Acuna plus more last winter so just to give you an idea what they will want lol
Realmuto really isn’t worth it in my opinion
If they lower their asking price some then sure but Riley Touki Wright and Soroka should all be off limits
I’m fine sending something that includes Pache Allard or Gohara
The fact there’s good catcher on the market in Grandal Ramos and even Suzuki and the Braves have money to spend it makes more sense to go that route than meet the Marlins crazy demands
And they wanted both Soto and Robles from Washington, which wasn’t (and still isn’t) going to happen.
The three pitchers you mention are good for another year or two, though Ramos has knee issues.
He’s the best catcher in baseball right now, and still developing. Hopefully we can get a good return.
I guess Jester will be calling up his bosses in NY to send Realmato to the Show while he can fill up on low level prospects for his AAA Marlins!
You call Jeter “Jester”, yet he part owns a major league team, while you toss-off in your moms closet. Wonder who has the better life?
Jeter is a phoney who has money but a hollow existence. I guarantee you the poster has a better life.
I don’t think the Red Sox can afford Realmuto or should try to get him. If there’s a way to get league average offense at catcher, great, but the priority should be on starting and relief pitching with Evoldi and Kimbrel as free agents. They certainly might be able to get plus hitting at second easier than they could get it at catcher. It is doubtful Pedroia will be back.
It will be interesting. The Marlins are rebuilding. If JT wants to go, let him go, and let us get the best return possible – whether that be getting a bunch of prospects or finding a sucker for Chen’s contract in combination.
Sources indicate the Braves have a strong offer on the table for Marlins All Star Catcher J.T. Realmuto. MIA may prefer him dealt outside of NL East, but at this point team is operating as though a trade is likely to happen.
By Craig Mish