There’s been plenty of speculation about whether Adam Wainwright was playing out his final season as a big leaguer, but Derrick Goold of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports that Wainwright does want to continue pitching and has already been in touch with the Cardinals about a possible return. GM Mike Girsch seemingly confirmed as much, telling Goold that the two sides have had “general conversations” about a 2019 return.
The 37-year-old Wainwright’s future was in doubt for much of the year, as he pitched just 15 1/3 innings in April before hitting the disabled list due to elbow inflammation. Wainwright returned after a few weeks only to return to the disabled list (once again, due to elbow discomfort) after just 2 1/3 innings. That second DL stint lasted nearly four months.
Wainwright, however, rattled off 17 scoreless innings on a minor league rehab assignment and returned to the St. Louis rotation in September, making four starts down the stretch. He allowed four runs in three of those four outings and pitched to an overall 4.84 ERA in 22 1/3 innings, but he also turned in a dominant 25-to-4 K/BB ratio. Fielding-independent metrics pegged him for a true ERA more in the low-3.00s, and his average fastball sat at an even 90.0 mph — nearly identical to his career 90.4 mph average. Wainwright won’t turn 38 until Aug. 30 of next year, and it seems that he still has fuel left in the tank on what has been a terrific career to date.
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Exactly how he’d fit into the pitching staff, however, remains to be seen. The Cards project to have Carlos Martinez, Miles Mikolas, Jack Flaherty, Michael Wacha and, if healthy, Alex Reyes in next year’s rotation. If Reyes’ injury troubles persist or if he’s moved to a bullpen role, the St. Louis organization has numerous internal alternatives in Luke Weaver, Dakota Hudson, John Gant, Austin Gomber and Daniel Poncedeleon, among others. Certainly, it’s a deep core of starting pitching options and one that seems unlikely to maintain wholly intact as pitching-hungry teams offer up MLB-ready bats to the Cardinals on the offseason trade market.
Reinserting Wainwright into that mix would only deepen the staff and further make trades easier to stomach for Girsch and president of baseball ops John Mozeliak, though the financials of a Wainwright return still need to be hammered out. It’s clear that Wainwright won’t command a salary along the lines of the $19.5MM annual rate that came with his previous five-year, $97.5MM deal, but the Cards would still likely need to make a reasonable guarantee, likely with the opportunity for additional earnings via incentives.
Speculatively speaking, even if the organization were to decide that there’s no room for Wainwright in the rotation, it’d be interesting to see if he’d be amenable to returning as a reliever. Wainwright, after all, cemented himself in Cardinals lore by closing out the NLCS and the World Series as an exuberant 25-year-old rookie back in 2006. The Cardinals’ closer role is currently up in the air, and a return to that job for Wainwright would represent something of a full-circle journey.
The Cardinals already have more than $110MM on the books for 2019, and that’s before arbitration raises for Wacha, Marcell Ozuna, Dominic Leone, and Chasen Shreve. It’d be a surprise, though, if St. Louis didn’t try to shed some payroll by moving some veterans whose performance makes it clear that they no longer fit with the roster. Dexter Fowler’s remaining $49.5MM over the next three seasons will be near impossible to move without absorbing a significant portion of that deal, but he no longer looks to be a par of the long-term outlook in the outfield. Relievers Brett Cecil and Luke Gregerson are on less onerous contracts and could potentially be moved in salary-motivated trades, as well. Mozeliak, Girsch and the rest of the front office figure to be in for an active offseason, with the Wainwright decision presumably serving as the first of many.
MeowMeow
Given the changing nature of how pitching staffs are managed with regard to the roles/importance of starters and relievers, I hope we’ll see more players like Wainwright — an aging, once-great starter who can still execute pitches — extend their careers by shifting to relief roles more readily than similar players have in the past. It makes sense, as fewer innings means they can throw harder without having to worry as much about injuries, and they can still add plenty of value.
SaberSmuckers
Fantastic post. Could not have said it better myself. Keep it up, the more knowledgeable commenters on here the better.
3rdStrikeLooking
Agreed. Well thought, well reasoned. Upvoted.
Themed, Cards81 and c1234, take note. I know you struggle on this particular topic, but this is a good post.
..well correction. Themed only shows up after 5-game win streak until it ends. He wont see this article or post.
c1234
No, I don’t struggle at posting comments, actually how you feel about another comment is all based on opinion. In this case you don’t like our comments because of the good old Cardinals Cubs rivalry. I don’t care about what you feel about my comments but you don’t have to take a cheap shot at us.
3rdStrikeLooking
Not a cubs fan. Please try again. 1 downvote applied.
c1234
How old are you? Do you really have to tell someone that you downvoted ones comment?
c1234
By the way I use that app so honestly I could care less
cards81
do not mention me weirdo…you are really the biggest tool on here…your post make no sense and you don’t even make good comebacks..plus you always up vote your own post lol seriously get a life…i have roasted you so many times it is getting old…
c1234
cards81 he’s just looking for trouble it looks like.
cards81
ive embarrassed him so many times but yet he still thinks he is clever…its astonishing
rocknwell
*couldn’t care less*
“Could care less” implies that you actually do care a little bit.
c1234
Right?
c1234
By the way what do you think about this article? I personally think it would be nice to have waino back but at the same time I don’t want him back. Maybe a coaching role?
3rdStrikeLooking
Yes please do provide us with your clever, shrewd insights. We all are SO intrigued.
Did you ever apply for a GM role? You two would be absolute shoe-ins.
c1234
Who are you? Can you please stop waste if your time trolling?
c1234
Wasting*
3rdStrikeLooking
Why? The more both of you comment, the more both of you prove exactly what I said.
Keep on truckin’, there little one.
And remember, AAA championship, in a 1-game format, means the farm system is stacked!!!
c1234
Next time if I were you I would keep your thoughts to yourself because I really hate having to argue with a child. Next time type something related to the article so you don’t embarrass yourself again.
cards81
About the article…I think every Cardinals fan thought this would happen…Waino is a legend and it would be ideal for him to compete for a bullpen spot…but it comes down to the money and probably an incentive laden deal…cardinals dont want to pay him for being injuried all year like this year…I think someone mentioned before a two year deal so him and yadi could go out together
Rob B
You know that you come off as a complete jerk, right?
2 years in a row in the AAA championship win or lose is a positive. I would say the Cardinals are stacked with young pitching prospects, no doubt.
Nevertheless, they are younger at the MLB level and still have decent prospects further down in the minors.
What is your problem, do you think people see this as anything but baiting? You sir are a troll!
themed
Congrats to the cubs on your wild card championship today! Yuck yuck yuck
gregsrothu
Hey how about them cubbies
ncaachampillini
Yeah it does suck to be forced to playing in Wild Card game I agree. Have to deal with it and do their best. You’re really trolling the Cubs right now though? Seriously? After the Cardinals absolutely crapped the bed in their final 6 games? That was an embarrassment. The defense I watched the Cards play in Wrigley was atrocious! It never would have happened but do you realize had the Cards actually won all 6 games they could have ended up with the best record in the NL and gotten home field? Instead they go 1-5. That was laughable.
There really isn’t anything you can say to a Brewers or Cubs fan right now sorry.
Rob B
He isn’t trolling! Baiting idiots like you, yes. Trolling would be saying what he said in an article that has anything to do with the Cubs.
Trolling is what you are doing by coming over and intentionally looking for a way to throw shade on the Cardinals.
Ok, the Cardinals crapped the bed in the last 2 series but they managed to win one game and it cost the Chicago Cubs the division.
The Cubbies crapped the bed on the division title. So we will do now what Cubs fans have done for years after sub .500 seasons and 4th and 5th place finishes … root against you … Go Rockies!
gregsrothu
Brewers ended up
Where they belong and so did the cubs.
Rob B
That remains to be seen. The Cubs belong on the losing end of this WC game.
Well, most of their fans do anyway. The Loathable Losers.
ncaachampillini
Oh guys maybe you’ll reclaim the glory days again but ain’t any time soon. Good luck in 2019 hanging with the Reds and Pirates.
ncaachampillini
Two straight comments against the Cubs invites response sorry man. Good luck watching the playoffs.
daved
And so did STL
Rob B
Oh, don’t worry we will & it won’t take us 100 years to do it. As I’ve said before, the Cardinals will win another WS before the Cubs do.
Rob B
lol, 2 comments on 2 different days, but ok. Don’t go looking for it if you are gonna get your feelings hurt and just take the L.
“Good luck watching the playoffs.”
Jrnomo100
I was thinking a closer much like smoltz a few yrs ago. Also he has a positive approach with the young pitchers.
Vedder80
He will have a hard time cementing himself as a closer with a 90 mph fastball. Even at the end of his career Smoltz was over 95. Hard to compare the two on that difference alone.
batty
So you think Waino can go 3 straight days with his 90 mph fastball and iffy curve/cutter to get saves?
Rob B
I assume the thinking is that he can throw harder in shorter increments. Whether he is even capable of it or not IDK.
timtim007
I love Waino, and he did show signs of the old Waino in his latest return from the DL, like holding the Dodgers scoreless thru 6 innings. But after his injury plagued season this year, i’m not sure after being a year older would be any different or possibly miss the whole 19 season. I agree the young pitchers enjoy picking his brain and seeking advice from him, but that’s not a role you pay someone 10-15 million. That’s more of a pitching consultant’s role. He may have some good innings left but you hate to tie up payroll with someone on the DL and not on the field or mound. Very tough decisions for Cardinals brass when it comes to Waino.
jdgoat
Wouldn’t mind him mentoring the Blue Jays young arms if Happ isn’t brought back.
jbigz12
I think waino would be a welcome addition to any young staff. STL is the most familiar spot but it seems like the worse fit with all the arms they have already. Their depth options for a 5th starter are already envious. Not many teams with 5 guys who could start in the big leagues vying for 1 slot. Hell those 5 guys arguably make up a better rotation than you see in Baltimore, Miami, Texas, San Diego, or Detroit.
jdgoat
Ya there’s probably only a couple of pitching staffs across the game that couldn’t use him in some capacity
CardsNation5
You can never have enough pitching
batty
Re-signing Waino would be more about sentimentality than it would be about good baseball business. He has flat stated that he wants a starters role and not as a reliever. As for being the closer, that’s more sentimentality on some fan’s part.
I’m not trying to tell him to retire, though i think that’s what should happen. I’m just hoping he’s not re-signed as a Cardinal. We have depth and veterans already set for our rotation next season.
GregF
You just got paid $19.5 million for pitching 40 innings. If the Cardinals would decide to sign you for some unknown reason, you should take the minimum. And don’t give the Molina line, “well they should pay me for what I have done.” Give me a break. Hit the road.
Rob B
Molina is a poor example here.
Admittedly, that was a crappy line coming out of Molina’s mouth at the time. However, he has cont’d to work really hard to deliver on his contract and I think he has surpassed all of the critics expectations.
eephus11
1 yr $7.5m plus incentives! You can never have enough pitching and the rotation is weak on experience.
batty
C. Martinez, Wacha and Mikolas are all experienced veterans. Flaherty has a year under his belt and Reyes needs a slot.
azelch99
I would rather give Gomber the 5th spot in the rotation. Get us a left handed pitcher in the rotation, and let Reyes get back throwing in the bullpen for the year. Assuming he’s healthy anyway.
Wouldn’t mind bringing back Waino in the bullpen as well, on a cheap deal with good incentives on innings pitched and save totals.
daved
How can you rely on Reyes and Wacha? Both guys have had multiple injury plagued seasons.
Rob B
In the 3 years prior to this season, Wacha has made 30, 27 and 30 starts.
simschifan
He shouldn’t have a problem finding a team that needs a veteran pitcher. He still looks like he has good stuff
Rob B
I think the Cards should only want him back in a relief role. If he really wants to start though I’m sure he can find a job with another team and make more $. Good luck Waino!
TradeAcuna
He is a perfect example of who the Braves will likely get this off season. Cheap!
daved
This is why the Cardinals are lagging behind Chicago and Milwaukee. Bringing back a 37 year old pitcher who has been hurt and basically a shell of himself for 3 years is simply, DUMB.
c1234
The reason the Cardinals are behind them is because of the terrible bullpen. Honestly I feel like the whole bullpen needs to be addressed in the offseason. The only 3 people I expect to be in bullpen in 2018 is Reyes,Hudson, Hicks hopefully Mo can actually bring in some reliable relief pitchers this winter.
daved
Who built that bullpen? And dont tell me about injuries. Everyone has them. Cubs lost Bryant for a period of time. Morrow. Darvish. Etc. Stop with the injury excuse.
Rob B
And now the Cubs season is over. After losing 2 do or die games in a row at home. Do you think they could use “the injury excuse”? Clearly they should.
daved
Where were the cardinals on Monday and Tuesday this week? Playing golf?
Rob B
They are currently lagging behind the Cubs and Brewers because of something they haven’t even done yet? C’mon man!?!?
While it is true the Cards haven’t received the return they likely expected, injuries happen and there isn’t much you can do to predict or prevent it.
The reality is that most large contracts given to aging players end with an overpay. I’m sure the Cardinals were aware of that.
daved
What are talking about? Because of something they haven’t even done yet? It’s not only about Waino, its about all the crap signings they made. Fowler. Cecil. Ozuna. And then all they didn’t do at the deadline. They’ve been lagging behind for 3 years now. Wake up.
Rob B
“This is why the Cardinals are lagging behind Chicago and Milwaukee. Bringing back a 37 year old … blah blah blah” … all about Waino.
What does any of that have to do with the other 3 players you mentioned? Nothing whatsoever! So what are you talking about?
We traded for Ozuna btw and IDK how we lagged behind the Brewers in 2016 when we finished ahead of them and they had a losing record. True, last year they finished ahead of us by a few games and didn’t make the playoffs. Soooo … ok?
We have not had a losing season since ‘07 and with the way the existing team played in August, the $ they have to spend and the young cost controlled talent there is every reason to believe they will be better next year, bad contracts aside. You are the one who needs to wake up and smell the roses.
Cardinals17
IT’s MOZELIAK TIME!!! What a wonderful time of the season for the Cardinals!!!! When it’s MOZELIAK TIME you can rest assured MOZELIAK will come up with the absolute best LOW HANGING FRUIT players available!!! MOZELIAK will be able to do what other President of Baseball Operations can’t!! MOZELIAK can sign the best LIGHTNING IN THE BOTTLE free agents to the longest and highest salary contracts in the business!!! You Go MOZELIAK!!! Do what you do best!!! Nothing at all to benefit the Cardinals Organization!!!!
jlmini10
Yeah I wouldn’t mind Mozeliak getting those Miles Mikolas, bud Norris, and Jose Martinez type low hanging fruit the same way he has his entire tenure. He also went out and got one of the best young outfielders on the trade market last year, definitely not low hanging fruit. Cheap bounce back options are how you get low risk, high reward options to supplement your roster. Mozeliak has been doing this for his 11 straight winning seasons. I’m sure he will find someone similar in the coming season as well.
I do hope that mozeliak makes a move for a big bat this offseason (like he did last offseason). But man, you saying the same thing about every single cardinals post is getting really old. Especially when you look at mozeliaks success with the big club and rebuilding the farm system.
daved
What young OF did he get? Martinez will be in the AL next year, and Norris will be gone. All this got them where? The golf course?
Rob B
Ozuna. I suppose you didn’t realize because you thought we signed him.
jlmini10
Oh just the run of the mill 27 year old OF who was an All Star, SS, and GG the year prior. Totally a stupid move, right? And without Martinez and Norris, this team would have been much worse, they were arguably the teams best hitter and reliever for the entire first half of the season. What would you rather Mozeliak have done? Check out the piece that was just written about how 9 out of the 11 top free agent contracts last year are garbage. I’m glad he stayed out of that market, stayed disciplined by holding onto the young talent on the team, and kept the team set up for contention well beyond this season and the next. And oh yeah that makes 11 straight winning seasons for Mo.
daved
I forgot because he sucked for 4 months. Where did it get them again? Oh yeah, 3rd place, because he had a bum shoulder and Mo knew it when he traded for him. You can have all the winning seasons in the world for all I care. It still doesn’t take away the fact they have missed the playoffs 3 years straight. Dewitt Jr. has said it’s playoffs in 2019 or a shakeup is coming in the front office.
daved
No, didn’t think that. He just didn’t do anything to excite me.
daved
Well, for starters, he failed 3 years ago by not even going after Scherzer. Next, Cecil and Fowler have been crap. Dump them to someone else and eat most of the contract. He did nothing at the trade deadine this year other than dump good players like Pham and Voit. O’Neill is Grichuk 2.0. I can’t believe they never gave Voit more than 1 or 2 starts in a row, but went back and got Matt Adams. Trade Carpenter this off season while he still has value. Jose Martinez should have been dumped for anything, because you won’t get anything for him. Don’t, for the love of God, re-sign Wainwright. They never went and got a legit closer, so now they likely have killed Hicks arm for next year. I fully expect him to regress and hit the DL at some point next year. They played Gyorko at 3B too much. Exposed. Munoz sucks as a defender. But overall, Mo has done GREAT the last 3 years.. Go sign another old player to a 3 year $60M deal this off season. Can’t wait.
Rob B
lol, no he didn’t and no it isn’t.
find a new team @$$ hole
Rob B
You said it.
daved
Keep living in the past, Rob. You enjoying the Luke Voit show in NY? Good thing MO went out and got Adams while Voit was sitting right in his lap being used as strictly a PH. 2011 was 7 years ago. Keep living off that title as teams around you get better. You are Bill Dewitt’s dream fan. He plants grass at the stadium, puts a “competitive but not title worthy team” on the field, and then waits for all the Robs to come grazing like sheep. Enjoy your team, f**kstick.
Rob B
Luke Voit is not a superstar. I’m happy for the guy but it isn’t going to last.
I’m not living off of anything but reality … you just pi$$ and moan, ad nauseam. Are you even a Cardinals fan? Its like you don’t want them to win, you’ve whined and complained about every aspect of St Louis baseball sooo much that I can’t see how you could be happy if they do win in ‘19 without feeling like a complete hypocrite. Freaking cry baby fair weather fan.
What about Brewers fans? They have never won a WS and the last time they played in one was ‘82 against St Louis when they were in the AL. Cubs fans waited 108 years (those that didn’t die 1st) before they got their title then got clobbered in the NLCS last year and bounced hard this year. Did you think we could hold all of the NL central teams down forever? They have owners, GM’s and fanbases that want to win as well. Even the Reds and Pirates had their moments. The Cardinals are the one consistent winner in the division.
Braves fans? This has been a long time coming and nothing is guaranteed.
Dodgers fans? The $ they have spent with no WS to show. Tell me there is no frustration there.
Rockies fans? 25 plus years of existence with no titles to show for it.
Hell, even the Yanks haven’t been to the series since ‘09 and have not won the division since ‘12.
You are spoiled on St Louis Cardinals baseball and are the type of fan that gives our fans a bad name.
Rob B
Get a grip bud. Are you off your meds or what?