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Tommy John Surgery Recommended For Shohei Ohtani

By Jeff Todd | September 6, 2018 at 8:30am CDT

Sept. 6: Though Tommy John surgery would prevent Ohtani from pitching in 2019, Angels general manager Billy Eppler left no doubt that the Halos still view him as a two-way player in the long run when speaking to reporters in a conference call (link via the OC Register’s Jeff Fletcher).

“We do still see him as a two-way player,” said Eppler. “Shohei has demonstrated the ability to be impactful on both sides of the baseball and that is something that we, and I don’t want to speak for every other team, but I think every team would want impact in the batter’s box and on the mound.”

Eppler didn’t want to commit to the possibility of Ohtani serving as a regular designated hitter for the Angels next year. However, Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports spoke with four surgeons who “regularly repair torn UCLs,” with each expressing the belief that Ohtani can indeed serve as the Angels’ DH next season — even while recovering from Tommy John surgery. Certainly, each case is unique, but Passan’s column provides a detailed walkthrough of just how and why those medical professionals believe it to be possible.

And, if there was any question as to whether Ohtani can make an impact at the plate as his right elbow mends, the 24-year-old may have given the most emphatic answer possible last night; just hours after the announcement that surgery was recommended, Ohtani went 4-for-4 with a pair of home runs, a walk and a stolen base (video link).

Sept. 5: Tommy John surgery has been “recommended” for Angels starter/DH Shohei Ohtani after an MRI revealed additional damage to his ulnar collateral ligament, the club announced (h/t Jeff Fletcher of the Southern California News Group, on Twitter). It is not yet certain whether he will undergo the surgery, but it certainly sounds as if that will be the case.

Ohtani, 24, has amply justified the hype that formed when it became clear he’d be coming to the majors in advance of the 2018 season. Though some questions formed during his showing in Spring Training, Ohtani has been outstanding both on the mound and at the plate.

While Ohtani has continued to knock the cover off the ball since being diagnosed with a second-degree UCL sprain earlier this year, that development led to obvious concern as to his outlook as a pitcher. He was able to make it back for one outing, showing his typical upper-nineties heat before suddenly dropping off in the third inning.

Whether or not the additional UCL damage occurred during the outing, the fact is that Ohtani will almost certainly miss the entirety of the 2019 season — as a pitcher, that is. Typically, position players are able to return from this particular injury on a much shorter timeline.

It’s important to bear in mind here just why Ohtani was put back on the hill late in a season in which the club was already out of contention. Having received platelet-rich plasma and stem cell treatment, and completed a course of rest and rehabilitation, Ohtani was deemed ready to test the ligament. Had Ohtani instead waited until next spring to take the bump, only then to find that it could not withstand full-throttle pitching, then the recovery timeline would have prevented him from hitting for much or all of the 2019 season and perhaps forced his pitching rehab to push into the 2020 campaign.

The good news for the Angels here is that they are still playing with house money so far as Ohtani is concerned. Because he chose to cross the Pacific before he was eligible to sign outside of the existing MLB international spending caps, he has been limited to a relatively meager signing bonus and the MLB minimum salary. The organization still possesses five full seasons of control beyond the present one.

Still, it’s another hugely disappointing injury for an organization that has had more than its fair share of late. Having already dealt with numerous pitching injuries in recent seasons, this year’s Halos roster went without players such as Zack Cozart, Garrett Richards, and Matt Shoemaker for long stretches. While Shoemaker is now back on track to be a factor in 2019, Richards will hit the open market after succumbing to TJS this summer. The Angels’ front office will face a difficult task in putting together a competitive rotation.

Looking ahead for Ohtani, the news will no doubt re-spark the debate as to whether he would be able to perform as both a pitcher and a hitter at the game’s highest level. Some may now wonder whether that effort will be shelved. But it’s frankly hard to imagine either player or team desiring to cut short what has thus far been an unbelievably successful attempt. In his first attempt at the major leagues, Ohtani has turned in 274 plate appearances of .276/.355/.547 hitting, with 16 home runs and six steals, along with 51 2/3 innings of 3.31 ERA pitching, supported by 11.0 K/9 against 3.8 BB/9.

If anything, perhaps, Ohtani and the Halos will need to assess just how to allow him to perform with the bat in 2018 without jeopardizing his throwing rehab. With nearly six months to go before camp opens, there’s plenty of time for a plan to be mapped out. Though we’ll all be robbed of a chance to see Ohtani’s amazing two-way spectacle for the time being, there’s still reason to hope he’ll be able to resume the grand experiment in 2020.

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  1. bugman_t

    7 years ago

    Fml :’(

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    • dimitrios in la

      7 years ago

      He has NOT in fact justified the hype. A player who’s not consistently healthy has no way of justifying the hype. He’s so far a bust!

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      • brendanpeters15

        7 years ago

        He is definitely not a bust. Bust is a strong word. Even if he’s average, average is not bust. And you can’t call a rookie a bust.

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        • dimitrios in la

          7 years ago

          Fair enough. I expanded my above point a bit below.

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        • callingoutdummies247

          7 years ago

          Someone else called out Dimitrios…. I was hoping for the honor

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        • madmanTX

          7 years ago

          Get a life.

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        • dimitrios in la

          7 years ago

          dummies if you like to call people out please bring it. I stand by everything I’ve said.

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      • gmenfan

        7 years ago

        Fake news.

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      • conquerbeard

        7 years ago

        Lol. OPS+ of 144, regular OPS of .903 in something around 250 at bats. ERA+ of 128, 11.0 K/9 – I think he was mildly impressive. If you’re gonna troll, at least put a little effort into. Sad!

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        • bross16

          7 years ago

          He has to hate on something else. The guy is an O’s fan who think there going in the right direction

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        • dimitrios in la

          7 years ago

          There’s no trolling actually. Use the word for actual trolls—not those with an opinion that differs. I love Ohtani, think he’s great for the game—and I root for him. I just think that to live up to hype you need to consistently perform. If you’re injured you can’t do that. So, at best, we can say he’s terrifically talented—just not able to fully realize that talent.

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        • dimitrios in la

          7 years ago

          I actually love Ohtani.

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        • dimitrios in la

          7 years ago

          And how could the O’s NOT be going in the right direction? 😉 There’s only one way left to go.

          Actually they’re doing some good things but you’d probably have to watch and follow them to be able to know that.

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        • restingmitchface

          7 years ago

          Ohtani a bust? Either you’re misinformed or you’re trolling.

          There are 29 opposing GMs who would LOVE to acquire “Ohtani-the-bust”. And this injury situation does nothing to change that.

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        • Jimcarlo Slaton

          7 years ago

          All you’ve done is state the obvious, which is that he’s had injury issues.
          No player is a bust after, or in the midst of their first year… Not to mention, he’s been impressive when able to pitch and hit.

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        • dugdog83

          7 years ago

          Your a troll dim

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        • callingoutdummies247

          7 years ago

          29 other Gms wouldn’t touch him. He needs TJ….. probably gonna be 2019 before you see him again and don’t know how he’ll return

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        • aceofrainbows

          7 years ago

          How much money is he earning the next 5 years? Yeah opposing gms would call.

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        • TeddyBallgameYazJimEd

          7 years ago

          They wouldn’t just call.. they would offer 3 prospects ranked anywhere from 4 thru 10 to get him .. and that still might not be enough.

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        • dimitrios in la

          7 years ago

          He’ll return in 2020, not ‘19, and who knows what kind of pitcher he’ll be when he returns. Not a good situation.

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        • dimitrios in la

          7 years ago

          berteuthis, so glad you’ve laid out the official rules for when we get to determine when a person is a bust. Curious about where you got that from, but regardless it’s not a rule I follow. He’s been an exciting/electric player, but disappointing by way of his health issues. In his first two years he’ll have played a half season of baseball—and may never be the same player we got a glimpse of.

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        • dimitrios in la

          7 years ago

          You digdug sound profoundly convincing!

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        • dimitrios in la

          7 years ago

          dummies, while we’re calling people out Ohtani doesn’t come back til 2020.

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        • Yankeepride88

          7 years ago

          He makes league minimum. You think he’s a bust despite making less money than players like Alcides Escobar?

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      • Strauss

        7 years ago

        Oh that’s a shock!!! Hahahahaha

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        • dimitrios in la

          7 years ago

          Tanaka is not a bust.

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        • GareBear

          7 years ago

          Junichi Tazawa, Hideo Nomo, Yu Darvish, Hiroki Kuroda, Hisashi Iwakuma, Koji Uehara, Hideki Matsui, ?Dave Roberts? and more have had between decent to great years or careers that provided excellent value to their clubs. Try again bud

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        • vtadave

          7 years ago

          Japs?

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      • gene95988

        7 years ago

        Idiots like you make me sick.
        He didn’t even have time to be considered a bust.
        He is good for baseball and he will be back and prove he not a “bust”

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        • gene95988

          7 years ago

          This is to dimitrios

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        • dimitrios in la

          7 years ago

          Gene, “if he will be back and prove he (sic) not a bust,” then let’s see it. Guess we’ll have to wait and, in the meantime, deem what you said mere conjecture.

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    • darenh

      7 years ago

      Has there ever been a major sports team so devastated by injuries as the Angels and their pitching? It’s astonishing.

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  2. partyatnapolis

    7 years ago

    lmao they really had to get that last start out of him didn’t they?!

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    • angels fan 3

      7 years ago

      Better to find out now than in spring training

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      • Chris

        7 years ago

        Ligaments can heal. The obvious thing to do was to shut him down completely when the injury first happened. The Angels decided they needed to keep the seats filled for 2018 and just cost themselves their second best player for all of 2019.

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        • bkbkbk

          7 years ago

          Again, didnt matter the recovery time is 2020 either way. Worth a try.

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        • CubsRule08

          7 years ago

          Exactly. Not a smart decision by Angels management to let him pitch again.

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        • halos101

          7 years ago

          Chris, torn UCLs require surgery. No baseball player is going to let it heal themselves. And did you really just claim the angels were looking to get fans in the seats by starting him IN houston? You realize they don’t get money when people attend astro games right?

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        • jt3z

          7 years ago

          A sprained UCL should be fully healed in 8-10 weeks and that’s conservative. They waited 11 weeks. They wanted to pitch him this year and see if it healed fully so that if surgery was needed, they could do it ASAP and have him for 2020.

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        • conquerbeard

          7 years ago

          I thought Tanaka recovered from the same injury without surgery – was it something else? I’m old, so I’m probably mistaken.

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        • waylonmercy

          7 years ago

          Not true. The gate is split 60-40. Home team take the larger percentage.

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        • bdbk 2

          7 years ago

          Chris doesn’t know what he is talking about so who cares. It seemed to work out for Richards when it came to UCL and they tried the same thing here. He will get some ABs in next season and then in 2020 he ready to do both again. Now it’s time to focus on getting younger and giving trout the extension he deserves.

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        • bush1

          7 years ago

          Tanaka is the only example of it kind of working. But he was never as good as he was before he hurt his elbow either. Before he got hurt he was a Cy Young candidate and a stud. He’s been a mid rotation guy ever since he hurt his elbow. He should’ve had the surgery too.

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        • Chris

          7 years ago

          I’m not talking about his sole start. I mean altogether. But they wanted Ohtani to pick up meaningless ABs on a sub .500 team. He should have been SHUT DOWN altogether. And the he’d be healthy for 2019 and beyond. But it’s cool, waste another year of Mike Trout

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        • breckdog

          7 years ago

          The reports prior to this injury had listed two tears of the ucl, not sprains. The angels were supposed to be aware of one tear when they signed him but the other was new.

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        • jaysfan1994

          7 years ago

          Ervin Santana also played with a partially torn UCL.

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      • partyatnapolis

        7 years ago

        they could have done this months ago when these symptoms were already there and be that far along the recovery process but they tried to rest him and pitch him again? if it’s inevitable then why not just bite the bullet and do it months ago??

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        • angels fan 3

          7 years ago

          He would have been out all of 2019 anyways. So the timetable is the same he just gets to hit the rest of 2018. He should be able to hit next season according to writer who covers the Angels

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        • Bart

          7 years ago

          Maybe Ohtani pushed hard to pitch again this year.

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        • CubsRule08

          7 years ago

          And that would be a bad choice on Ohtani’s part after learning he injured it even further during the season.

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        • bush1

          7 years ago

          He could’ve easily been back mid season next year if he had the surgery when it first happened. It happened the beginning of June. He could’ve been good to go by mid July 2019 or maybe earlier.

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        • rez2405 2

          7 years ago

          He will be back next season regardless as a DH

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      • bush1

        7 years ago

        He should’ve had the damn surgery righ when it happened, and he’d be back mid season next year. That platelet injection crap rarely works and the pitchers who get that procedure are never as dominant as they were until they have th surgery. It’s just so mind blowingly stupid they delayed the surgery, but typical Angels…

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        • rez2405 2

          7 years ago

          So where did you do your residency? Did you recommend to get it? Last I checked all of the doctors recommended not getting it

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        • bush1

          7 years ago

          Whatever man, the rest and platelet thing never works. It doesn’t take a Doctor to look at the hundreds of cases and see that a pitcher is ever as good as they were until they have surgery. They were clearly wrong and it was so obvious to most people.

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        • HaloMonty

          7 years ago

          Hey dum dum, the recovery period in case you’re not a doctor or a GM is 18 months (like the 18 Old Styles you waxed while crapping on this thread last night). If he has surgery back in June what month is he ready by? That’s right December! They don’t play baseball in December, so no harm no foul.

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      • ThatBallwasBryzzoed

        7 years ago

        When he had the partial tear they should have shut him down. No reason to risk what is evident now.

        Its not like the Angels were a threat to Houston or Seattle.

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  3. trident

    7 years ago

    Just like Garrett Richards

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    • bush1

      7 years ago

      And Richards was never the same with those platelet injections. It’s so obvious that the pitcher isn’t as dominant until they have the surgery. I don’t understand why these franchises make such dumb decisions. Just get the damn surgery right away and he’d be back mid year 2019 as he got hurt in early June.

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      • ryanw-2

        7 years ago

        Richards was only dominant in 2014. Probably a fluke. He didn’t have nearly as a season in 2015. After returning from his long hiatus, however, he was pitching better than he did in 2015. The durability was quite there, unfortunately.

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        • bush1

          7 years ago

          Richards had a ton of promise before his elbow injury, and he was never close to being right ever since. If he’s of had the surgery right away he’d be so much better off and so would’ve the Angels.

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        • Go Angels

          7 years ago

          Richards was having a great season this year until he got injured.

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        • halos101

          7 years ago

          Richards best season was 14 obviously but when he’s healthy he’s been a really valuable starter. No fluke

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        • angels fan 3

          7 years ago

          He had a bad knee injury that ended his 2014 season and 2015 he rushed back to come back a few weeks into that season. He looked more like the G-Rich of 2014 in 2016 but that season was short for him just like 2017. He looked pretty good this season but once again he had injuries.

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  4. joshua.barron1

    7 years ago

    I’m sorry but who DIDN’T think he was going to need it at some point?

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    • realgone2

      7 years ago

      I thought he was going to need it back in March

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    • bush1

      7 years ago

      Apparently the idiotic Angels front office are the only people. What a joke they are.

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    • halos101

      7 years ago

      What do you want them to do? Ignore doctors that tell them he doesn’t need it because they think he may in the future? Doctors said he was good to go, which he was, and it didn’t turn out. Not angels fault

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  5. Long Duc Dong

    7 years ago

    Of course should’ve gave him his surgery and then signed up dammit

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  6. Cubbie75

    7 years ago

    wow.

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  7. walls17

    7 years ago

    bummer

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  8. GoCardsGo

    7 years ago

    Well dang doe diggity

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  9. path501@yahoo.com 2

    7 years ago

    Hindsight is 20/20. Just wow.

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    • sufferforsnakes

      7 years ago

      Or in this case, 2020.

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    • jd396

      7 years ago

      It’s not really hindsight when everyone was saying this the instant the ligament injury came up.

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    • bush1

      7 years ago

      It’s not hindsight at all. The platelet injection is a joke and pitchers are never as dominant as they were until they have surgery. It’s idiotic he didn’t have the surgery in early June and he could’ve came back mid season 2019

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  10. Chris

    7 years ago

    No one here is shocked, as many of us second guessed the decision to pitch him again this season to begin with. Ohtani really picked a joke of a franchise to join.

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    • eileenyankees9

      7 years ago

      Just glad he didn’t pick the Yankees, and they’re thankful too I’m sure. All in all, I hope he really does well after all of that mess because he is one heck of a talent.
      He’s got it all!

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      • halos101

        7 years ago

        How does someone really say thy think a team is thankful ohtani didn’t select them. Pure insanity

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        • eileenyankees9

          7 years ago

          It’s easy!!

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    • Jphi82

      7 years ago

      It amazes me how ignorant people are of the medical field. If he had a potentially torn ligament… resting it isn’t gonna heal the ligament. Had he rested all year and went out spring training and torn it, the Angels would have been in worse shape. I think this is potentially the best scenario (assuming TJ was needed) that occurred. He can still hit next year and got to show off his 2018 performance.

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      • bush1

        7 years ago

        Best case would’ve been to had the surgery right away in early June so he could’ve returned mid 2019 not 2020. This is just idiotic…

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      • Chris

        7 years ago

        The ligament actually could heal on it’s own without surgery especially if it was a grade one tear.

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  11. The Human Toilet

    7 years ago

    No way!! Never saw that coming! Good job Angels to rush him back and now will not have him at all now.

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  12. Kenleyfornia74

    7 years ago

    He only deleayed the inevitable by holding out for months. 1 game back and this happens.

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  13. beardedface_killah

    7 years ago

    What a waste

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  14. halofan20

    7 years ago

    Dumb FO bro why did they have to pitch him again

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    • halos101

      7 years ago

      it was either now or spring training. Now, he misses 2019 and some of 2020… wait until spring training and he would have missed both years

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      • bush1

        7 years ago

        Or have the surgery right when it happened in early June like everyone with a brain said to do and have him back mid yr next season.!The rest and platelet injection never works well and pitchers aren’t dominant like they were until they have the surgery.

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        • halos101

          7 years ago

          highly doubt he would be back for 2019 if he got it in june.

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  15. ib6ub9

    7 years ago

    There is always 2020. Maybe they will have a shot at playoffs then.

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  16. simschifan

    7 years ago

    Good lord

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  17. underdoglefty

    7 years ago

    The Angels need his bat more than his pitching. Would surgery be necessary if he quits pitching and hits only?

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    • lowtalker1

      7 years ago

      I take it you’ve never swung a bat, golf club, used a boat ore etc with an with force and injury to the arm elbow or shoulder

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    • lowtalker1

      7 years ago

      You’d be amazed how much it hurts to throw a frisbee while injured

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    • Kayrall

      7 years ago

      He has so much more value to them as a pitcher than a hitter. They would be foolish to abandon pitching.

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    • bush1

      7 years ago

      What are you talking about?!?! His pitching is way more valuable to them then his bat. It’s not even close.

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      • rez2405 2

        7 years ago

        OPS+ 144 ….. yeah waaaaay more valuable.. you say the Angels dont have a brain.. pot calling the kettle black?

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      • davidcoonce74

        7 years ago

        Among rookie hitters only Soto has a better OPS+. He’s been a better hitter than Acuna. He’s been one of the best hitters in baseball. It’s a bummer; TJS recovery is shorter for hitters than for pitchers – the worst case scenario is that he has to come back and be a DH or outfielder.

        (As a pitcher he had the lowest contact rate allowed by any pitcher in baseball. SSS caveats aside his pitching is amazingly impressive.)

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  18. TribeTown

    7 years ago

    I know the team should have taken my advice as I pieced together the small bits of medical information released to the public to form an evidence-based conclusion. It was SO OBVIOUS this was the outcome and that I knew it all along. I am the best and should be consulted on all major medical decisions for all teams, always.

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    • jakec77

      7 years ago

      He would probably still require the surgery but with substantially less recovery time.

      So, here’s my question- could he potentially DH next year without impacting his ability to return as a pitcher in 2020?

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      • Go Angels

        7 years ago

        From what I’ve been hearing from Angels reporters, the answer to your question is yes.

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    • jorge78

      7 years ago

      OK!

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    • jd396

      7 years ago

      Well, he’s having surgery, so evidence-based or not, the people saying he should have had surgery weren’t wrong

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  19. chino31

    7 years ago

    Good luck resigning Trout when his current contract is up. Angels need to trade him and start rebuilding. By 2021, ohtani and the prospects should be competitive again.

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    • bkbkbk

      7 years ago

      Youre joking right.

      A core of Trout, Ohtani, Simmonds and Heaney + Skaggs. Plus Adell will be a top 5 guy next year and Marsh and Canning top 50, Angels long term out look is FIRE, it’s their very short term outlook thats troubling.

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  20. lowtalker1

    7 years ago

    Well duh this should have already happened

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  21. No Soup For Yu!

    7 years ago

    This sucks. I know damage to his UCL was already apparent when he was signed, but the Angels need to take a serious look st their training staff because this stuff keeps happening regardless of the rehab times or methods

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    • jorge78

      7 years ago

      Yup. They knew before signing him…..at least his salary is low.

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    • darkstar61

      7 years ago

      He now has two separate unrelated tears – that 1st one and one he developed since then pitching the early part of the season. They knew this during his extended time out when they kept giving updated dates where they would request a new evaluation looking for the one they wanted to hear and accept.

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    • angelsfan1391

      7 years ago

      Just a quick fact, more tommy john surgeries occur on high school players than MLB players. The problem isn’t the training staff, it’s the one sport, year round mentality that puts insane amounts of wear and tear on kids before they even get out of highschool. About half(ish) of the angels that required TJ were acquired from other organizations or had injury histories. You can’t reverse the damage already there.

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      • darkstar61

        7 years ago

        Just some real facts to correct the misleading “facts” you provided

        Yes, HS kids often need TJS. This is because they are often trying to get noticed by scouts to secure a contract, and are being coached by guys who often don’t know how to protect arms even if they had any invested interest in doing so. Pro clubs are supposed to know better – and most all do

        Then, are you saying the Angels only target guys that currently need TJ, are unable to distinguish when guys need surgery, or just don’t care and ride injury risks until their arms fall off regardless of the risks?

        Lastly, just having an injury before means absolutely nothing as far as having an injury again – see basically every team who signs prior injured guys all the time without seeing them all struggle to stay on a field after, as the Angels do

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  22. gleybertorres25

    7 years ago

    Time to quit pitching

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    • eileenyankees9

      7 years ago

      Gleyber,
      I need to vent to a Yankees fan. I just looked at the Yankees line up tonight and again I just do not understand that Boone’s mind.
      He has Cutch batting 3rd, what have you done for me lately…I prayed the Yanks would pick up Melky who is on a tear, instead of anyone else! Gleyber is batting last.
      I really cannot look at Boone
      Sorry I am off the subject, but I need to scream.
      ok, I feel better!!

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      • MetsYankeesRedSox

        7 years ago

        Season over…..Yankees lose
        Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Yankees lose!

        Get healthy and some decent pitching and 2019 will be better.

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  23. jdgoat

    7 years ago

    What a terrible end to his ROY season

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    • Go Angels

      7 years ago

      He can still DH this year.

      Reply
    • MetsYankeesRedSox

      7 years ago

      Andujar…AL ROY!

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      • Jimcarlo Slaton

        7 years ago

        Torres is definitely ahead of Andujar after his resurgence.

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        • jdgoat

          7 years ago

          And Ohtani is ahead of both

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        • rocky7

          7 years ago

          Doubt that!

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  24. darkstar61

    7 years ago

    Shocked, shocked I tell you!

    Angels don’t care though. They’ll probably have him taking a shot and a mound next week

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  25. halos101

    7 years ago

    Angels are gonna get torn apart cause they started him in Houston but really it was a smart move. Better to know now than spring training. Anyways, Angels and their injuries just flat out suck and will never stop sucking. it’s brutal to watch

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    • darkstar61

      7 years ago

      Had they not forced him to try and over extend himself now for absolutely no reason, he may have never needed it and pitched in 2019 fine. Worst case he’d still need in 2019 and thats the only season he misses, just like he will now anyway.

      Zero logic to putting the streSS on his armind they did, again, for no reason other than they didn’t want to have to accept reality on their high-profile signing and instead insisted on playing him solely for attention

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      • halos101

        7 years ago

        I highly doubt the “stress” of less than the 3 innings he pitched on sunday is what pushed him over the line into needing tommy john. And even if it was, what makes you think waiting until spring training heals the elbow completely?

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        • darkstar61

          7 years ago

          Yes, the stress of pitching in a ML game clearly pushed it from minor tears the Angels thought weren’t a problem to a massive tear that needs TJS. We even know specifically when it happened. He had thrown bp sessions and warmups without issue, he threw 2 innings without issue, then there was the issue they can’t ignore

          And the Angels believed the 2 tears (the G1 from preseason and G2 from mid season) were already healed enough to start. If they already appeared healed now, imagine what another 6 months of rest would have done for them!

          But nope, the team decided the tears could handle the stress of a ML game …not only were they wrong, he didn’t even last 50 pitches.

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        • halos101

          7 years ago

          1) I don’t buy that Sunday’s start pushed it over the line but there’s no way for either of us to prove it so anyways. 2) You just admitted that the medical updates the Angels has access to told them he was healed, so why wouldn’t they start him? It would be dumb for them to say “oh your elbow looks healed, well give you another 6 months just for it to look the same”…

          Bottom line, The elbow was either going to blow out in spring training or be healed enough by the PRP injections to the point he could pitch… Just didn’t turn out the way they hoped

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  26. kmert

    7 years ago

    You guys do realize it’s mainly the players decision on what they want to do surgery wise…

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    • jd396

      7 years ago

      Can I have your autograph, Noah Syndergaard?

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  27. mack22 2

    7 years ago

    Tough break

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  28. sufferforsnakes

    7 years ago

    Maybe I’ll eventually get to see him rehab in San Bernardino……if I’m still here.

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  29. 66TheNumberOfTheBest

    7 years ago

    At the first sign of UCL trouble, I always say “just get the surgery now” and only Tanaka has proven me wrong.

    Chad Kuhl should have gotten his months ago.

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    • stansfield123

      7 years ago

      Wainwright said no to surgery at some point, didn’t he, to go on and pitch well for a couple of years? And lots of pitchers did it in Japan. Sugano is still starting games for the Yomiuri Giants (best team in Japan), after suffering an ACL tear 4 years ago. He also pitched for Samurai Japan in the WBC.

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    • bush1

      7 years ago

      Even Tanaka wasn’t nearly as dominant without the surgery. He was a top of the line stud, and has been a mid rotation guy ever since. The surgery is the only answer.

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      • stansfield123

        7 years ago

        Tanaka is a no. 2 at worst. Closer to no. 1.

        His 118 career ERA+ in the regular season, to go along with a 1.44 career post season ERAm is definitely not “middle of the rotation”.

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        • jdgoat

          7 years ago

          Lmao Tanaka is not a top of the rotation pitcher. Both his counting stats and advanced stats paint him as a high 3 ERA pitcher which is useful but definitely not top of the rotation. He literally is the definition of middle of the rotation pitcher.

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      • stansfield123

        7 years ago

        Also, Tanaka most likely came over to the US already with a tear in his ACL So all his numbers, including his great two month start before the diagnosis, were likely put together with a “bad elbow”.

        P.S. we should note that Tanaka was given an option, rather than positively recommended surgery. So Ohtani’s injury must be more severe, and there’s no comparison to be made here. Ohtani doesn’t have the option to rehab his elbow, he has to get the surgery.

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      • stansfield123

        7 years ago

        One last factoid you might be interested in: the Yanks have lined up their starters for the WC game the following way:
        1. Sevy starts on extra day rest.
        2. Tanaka starts on regular rest.

        That’s it. Unless they skip Happ for a start (which would be extremely disruptive, and bad management), those are their two options. So they clearly consider Tanaka one of their two best starters, and very much a realistic choice for the WC game. Sevy needs to pitch well, to get the call…otherwise, it’s Tanaka (who’s been pitching very well in the second half).

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  30. gmenfan

    7 years ago

    Time to get behind the Ohtani/Cueto 2020 ticket.

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  31. stansfield123

    7 years ago

    Bad news for baseball fans.

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  32. snotrocket

    7 years ago

    Has a pitcher in the last 20 years come up through the Angels system and hit free agency without requiring TJ?

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    • HalosHeavenJJ

      7 years ago

      John Lackey. Chuck Finley. Joe Saunders.

      Really, that’s about all I have.

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  33. HalosHeavenJJ

    7 years ago

    He rolled the dice on the injection and rest option, it didn’t work, and the team now knows he won’t pitch in 2019.

    Had he undergone the surgery in July he wouldn’t have pitched in 2019 either, so they had nothing to lose by waiting 2 months.

    Sucks. But hopefully he’s a solid DH next year.

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  34. 22222pete

    7 years ago

    His velocity dropped 4-5 mph in the third inning

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  35. jt3z

    7 years ago

    A sprained UCL should be fully healed in 8-10 weeks and that’s conservative. They waited 11 weeks. They wanted to pitch him this year and see if it healed fully so that if surgery was needed, they could do it ASAP and have him for 2020.

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  36. tylerall5

    7 years ago

    Honestly with how baseball is today, you either have bad TJ or will need TJ. The fact that he’s young and talented means he more than likely will come back from this, and it’s not like he’s costing the team much.

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  37. qbass187

    7 years ago

    Unless I’m mistaken he will be the 459 pitcher for the Angels to undergo TJS this year? Give or take.

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    • stansfield123

      7 years ago

      You’re trolling. It’s only 458.

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  38. Rays_Fan_Engima

    7 years ago

    I wonder if this will be a fluke injury, or if it represents of what’s to come.

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  39. xabial

    7 years ago

    “Ohtani’s 16 home runs are tied with Hideki Matsui for the 2nd-most by a Japanese rookie in a single season. Kenji Johjima holds the record after crushing 18 homers for the Mariners in 2006.” mlb.com/news/shohei-ohtani-hits-first-home-run-off…

    Aww :-/ Special talent, really wanted him to break record.

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    • Go Angels

      7 years ago

      He still has a chance.

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      • Go Angels

        7 years ago

        With his two homers today, he has tied the record.

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  40. MetsYankeesRedSox

    7 years ago

    See ya!!

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  41. Angelfanforlife19

    7 years ago

    This must be a record, in the last 5 season How many UCL issues thus far? 5, 10, 15?

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  42. Gordon Lightfoot

    7 years ago

    Have the surgery and heal. I enjoy watching Ohtani, but don’t believe he’s been healthy enough to “amply justify” the hype. Here’s hoping the Angels and Ohtani opt for surgery and we see his full potential.

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  43. reflect

    7 years ago

    Trying to play him through the injury was always a dumb idea. Not surprised it backfired, and now the Angels are screwed through 2020 instead of just being screwed this year.

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    • Go Angels

      7 years ago

      Even if he had gotten the surgery in June, he would still have missed 2019. If he gets the surgery now, he should be ready by 2020 anyway.

      Reply
  44. MiserablePadreFan

    7 years ago

    YESSS!!
    -miserable Padres fan

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    • aceofrainbows

      7 years ago

      Well that’s just rude. I’m a Giants fan and it’s never good to root for another player to get injured.

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      • MiserablePadreFan

        7 years ago

        It’s cool. I got stoked when Madbum got hurt trying to be Evel Knievel. I don’t lose any sleep over my rudeness.

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  45. hossmandu

    7 years ago

    Amazing how many orthopedic surgeons are on in this comment section. Also amazing how many can’t read the available information without posting. I’ll try and make it simple for you:

    1. he had a sprained UCL, not torn UCL. They don’t do TJ surgery for sprains.
    2. by getting him back on the mound, they confirmed that the PRP did not work.
    3. if they waited to get him back on the mound, he would be getting this news in March of 2019
    4. this news actually gets him back on the mound 6 months earlier than if they kept him off the mound the rest of 2018.
    5 he should be able to hit all, or most of 2019. if they waited he would be out of the batters box for most of 2019.
    6.he should be able to pitch at the beginning of 2020. if they waited he would have missed all of 2019 and most of 2020.

    It’s not difficult people, just suspend your KNOW IT ALL instinct and look at the facts.

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    • breckdog

      7 years ago

      According to reports he did in fact have two tears of his ucl. Link is below to the story.
      si.com/mlb/2018/06/14/shohei-ohtani-injury-updates…

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      • hossmandu

        7 years ago

        the link you provide links to a page that has been removed because it contained inaccurate information, common for Heyman. Plus it doesn’t change anything in my post. There was no downside to bringing him back.

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        • breckdog

          7 years ago

          That page is not removed, its still there. You stated he had a sprain not a tear. He in fact had two tears. Your premise was that he had a sprain which is not a tear and the sprain could heal. As david corrects me below a sprained ucl is torn by definition. That will not heal with rest.

          1. He has a torn ucl, that is not going to heal and thus requires tommy john surgery.

          2. You are correct the rehab shows that resting his arm did not heal his torn acl

          3.Why would they wait any longer than they had? They need to get the surgery out of the way as fast as possible so they can have their star pitcher back for meaningful games. If anything they waited too long already considering the state of their season.

          4. It does bring him back earlier but not as early as they could have, again consider the injury and the season they are having. They could have easily reached this conclusion last month.

          5. I believe you are correct about hitting though i am not sure of the timeline., i am not saying you are wrong just that i have no knowledge of how much he would be available to hit during his rehab period. If they were in the hunt for a playoff spot i could see them putting the surgery off to the offseason because of his work at dh.

          .6 Again he could have been back earlier. A torn ucl does not heal on its own.

          Its not a difficult concept, just look at the facts.

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      • davidcoonce74

        7 years ago

        Umm just some actual medical information: a sprain IS a tear.

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  46. HarveyD82

    7 years ago

    why didnt they elect surgery months ago? ….

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  47. yamsi1912

    7 years ago

    He hit his 17th homer today and went 3 for 3. At least he can DH next season.

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    • Go Angels

      7 years ago

      Make that 4 for 4 with his 18th homer.

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      • xabial

        7 years ago

        You forgot walk, stolen base and four runs scored.

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  48. greatdaysport

    7 years ago

    Make that 18 homers ( 2) tonight with 2 other hits (4 for4) with another stolen base. Rookie of the year.

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    • Thomas Walker

      7 years ago

      I was thinking Torres or Andujar, but it’s really hard to overlook all that Ohtani has accomplished this year. Truly a force on both sides of the ball. Shame he won’t be able to pitch next year, but sounds like the bat is gonna be just fine.

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    • rocky7

      7 years ago

      Don’t think he’ll edge Andujar, or Torres for ROY.
      And, he’s DH’ing not having to play defense except in the sparse times pitching.

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      • Thomas Walker

        7 years ago

        I think one of the Yankees take it for sure, but he’s in the discussion.

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  49. Cam

    7 years ago

    I guess it comes down to one thing – was more damage caused by his most recent start, or not?

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    • greatdaysport

      7 years ago

      When the Angels signed him, they knew he had these problems, even back in Japan. The upside is he’s still very young, cheap and a huge future upside.

      Reply
  50. dugdog83

    7 years ago

    This guy is great for the sport. The Deshaun Watson of baseball. I hope they both get and stay healthy.

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    • Ruben_Tomorrow 2

      7 years ago

      Deshaun Watson also plays defense?

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    • 24TheKid

      7 years ago

      You know that Desaun Watson is not the only duel threat qb?

      Reply
  51. Pedro Cerrano's Voodoo

    7 years ago

    Sucks.

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  52. sergefunction

    7 years ago

    Ohtani is a high-torque, slightly short-arming flamethrower. That elbow is therefore at the highest of risk.

    Hate to say it and would hate to see it, but he needs to give up the mound. Let him and Trout dominate in the outfield for 10 joint years.

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  53. citizen

    7 years ago

    hey jeff toddd or steve adams, could one of you chime in or write a perspective on why the Japanese pitchers get hurt so much coming over to mlb?
    Is it the work load? I know pitchers in the npb pitch every 6 days and here they expect every 5. Are the mlb teams making these pitchers pitch more than what they were used to in Japan?

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    • xabial

      7 years ago

      Sounds like a job for Bradley Woodrum

      I remember his piece (project) on Predicting Tommy John surgeries. Too bad he works for the Marlins now!

      mlbtraderumors.com/2017/09/predicting-tommy-john-s…

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  54. wvpirate

    7 years ago

    The Angels need to do an organization wide change of philosophy as to why so many of their pitchers end up hurt.

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    • 2012orioles

      7 years ago

      I know they have had a lot of issues, but to be fair, there was concern before he even got to the angels. You could blame them for sending him out there when they are pretty much playing meaningless baseball, but that’s easy to say now that he’s hurt

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    • Kingmojo101

      7 years ago

      I blame the pitching coach, he doesn’t like his pitchers throwing fastballs all the time so he pushes them to throw more breaking balls…breaking balls equal more stress on elbows.

      Reply
  55. Thomas Walker

    7 years ago

    Amazing show all around last night! Terrible news about Ohtani, and then he just explodes! Usually a TJ diagnosis is a major blow, but his ability to hit while he is rehabbing his arm next year, will definitely be something to see. Throw in Trevor Story hitting about a mile worth of home runs, Brandon Phillips returning to the bigs with a 2-run GW HR, and my Cubbies with a much needed W, after a couple of duds, I’d say it was an all around great night in baseball. Favorite time of the year right year. Pennant races, award races, and some guys putting the finishing touches on their careers. How could you not love this game!?!

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  56. Phillies2017

    7 years ago

    Why can’t we have nice things?

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  57. bencole

    7 years ago

    And this is why you don’t pitch him in September when you’re out of it, in a meaningless game, when he already has UCL damage. Idiots.

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  58. ThatBallwasBryzzoed

    7 years ago

    The day this story broke. He hit two home runs a 2B and stole a base. His elbow seems fine to me

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