Josh Donaldson’s difficult season and recent trade have prompted plenty of looks in the rearview mirror to imagine what might have been. Now with the Indians for the tail end of an injury-plagued year, the veteran third bagger could instead have inked a long-term deal to stay in Toronto or been shipped elsewhere.
Multiple organizations reputedly sought to acquire Donaldson from the Blue Jays before the start of the season. Reports at the time pegged the Cardinals as a major pursuer, and Bob Nightengale of USA Today now reports on Twitter that the club was indeed serious about landing Donaldson. While he had only one year of contract control remaining, and a hefty $23MM salary, the St. Louis organization was evidently not shy about giving up significant talent to make a deal.
Indeed, per the report, the Cards offered up a two-player package that included young righty Jack Flaherty — the same hurler who might well be cruising to a National League Rookie-of-the-Year award were it not for the brilliance of two historic young hitters. Flaherty’s ongoing ability to suppress base hits — he’s allowing only a .248 BABIP — may reasonably be questioned. But his 132 1/3-inning showing (to this point) has been amply impressive even if it comes with some batted-ball fortune.
Unquestionably, the Jays would take a do-over on their decision not to accept that offer. But that’s based as much or more on the ensuing injuries to Donaldson as it is Flahrty’s emergence. And if we’re going to consider what-if’s, there’s another entire scenario that also could have occurred. In this case, the outcomes favor the Toronto ballclub.
It has long been known that the Blue Jays explored the possibility of an extension with Donaldson in advance of the 2018 season. Details, though, have not only been slow to emerge, but have come with no small amount of controversy.
Today, Jon Heyman of Fancred fired the latest shot in an ongoing back-and-forth with Donaldson’s agents regarding pre-2018 extension talks with the Blue Jays. Heyman argues that “the Jays and the Donaldson camp knew exactly where they stood” in terms of contract price last spring, citing some of the player’s own comments to support his reporting. And, he insists, the Blue Jays made clear they’d be willing to pay something at or over the three-year, $75MM level to make a deal, if not a bit more.
In Heyman’s telling, the Donaldson camp found that level insufficient — which, as Heyman notes, would certainly have been a fair position to take given Donaldson’s outstanding level of play in the preceding campaigns. The recently stated position of agent Dan Lozano, however, is that “the team never extended an offer” and that “no years or dollars were ever specifically discussed.”
Those interested in the topic will want to read all the materials and reach their own conclusions. Broadly, the post mortem on the end of Donaldson’s tenure in Toronto is interesting for a variety of reasons. But it’s clearly also not a subject that necessarily needs to feature winners and losers. Certainly, there was no known reason to think that Donaldson was headed for such a calamitous season — either for the Blue Jays or the player’s reps. Historians may debate the facts, but they won’t likely dispute that the player was warranted in seeking a massive payday and that the club was justified in demanding a big return via trade.
In any event, for the Indians the focus now is solely on what Donaldson can do on the field. He broke through with a home run today, a promising sign for the club as it seeks to get him up to full speed in advance of the postseason. When the season ends, the veteran will be able to choose his next uniform for himself.
trendysayings
My guess is the Angels land Donaldson in free agency this winter. I know it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense on paper but that’s what my gut is telling me.
andrewgauldin
You forgetting they have Cozart? Also have Taylor Ward
Vedder80
That’s never stopped the Angels from giving a ridiculous contract to a player on the wrong side of 30.
angelsinthetroutfield
I highly doubt we’re in on Donaldson as we have Cozart coming back, Fletcher established at 2B, Taylor Ward getting an extended look at 3B, and Luis Rengifo tearing up the minors. A large commitment to Josh would only muddy the situation. And that’s ignoring the previous history between Donaldson and the Angels org.
Our free agent spending needs to be on durable pitching. Lots of elite RPs and a few solid SPs will be available so it should be a fun offseason
Bocephus
“we’re”..”Our”, what position of employment do you serve in with the Angels?
Pablo
Probably the role of investor like most fans who give their money to tickets, merchandise and lots of time. Fans deserve to call their team their own and are a part of their success. No fans means no money means no professional sports. You don’t have to work for a team to be part of the team.
its_happening
And no money means ballplayers can’t make it rain in the adult bars or afford more than 2 phones to hide their side dishes on the road or pay for medical supplies to help improve their on-field play.
Pablo’s got a good point.
kylelohse
You guys that whine about people commenting with “we” and “our” are worse than the grammar police. Diehard fans that put their time and money into following everything that “their” team does should feel like part of the team. I guarantee that the teams want those fans too. So quit complaining about it and make your comment relevant to the article.
sheff86
I know I’ve always hated that. “When we traded….”
Bocephus
Makes it sound like there’s actually something they contributed.
Bocephus
“role of investor”..yea of their time.
baseball10
Amen
HaloShane
Lol typical Halo clown. Thinks they are actually part of the team.
tomabsolon
I agree whole heartedly… if your going to 10-15 games a year, watching every night on TV when they play and buy merchandise and attend your teams off field functions well then like me you can use the term “ Our”
EndinStealth
Bocephus= whiny brat
Fever Pitch Guy
Bottom line is the Jays were very foolish to let Donaldson report to spring training without a signed extension. They should have pushed to sign him during the winter, or traded him before spring training. But they hung onto him despite no extension because they foolishly thought they could compete in the AL East this year. Horrible decisionmaking by the front office, and further insult as Shapiro winds up giving away Donaldson to his former team for next to nothing in return.
jimmertee
What you said fever. I’ve been saying it for almost 2 years. Shapiro/Atkins have got to go.
BKG98
This makes sense. That is a total Angels type of move.
NotaGM
Donald will be that afterthought because of his past. I’m guessing he will sign with a contender on a 1 yr deal to rebuild his value.
deweybelongsinthehall
Nothing spectacular guarantee but big time incentives.
Polish Hammer
Hope that’s Cleveland
darkstar61
Wonder if the Jays owner even recognizes the foolishness of his insisting the team try to compete in 2018, or if he’s attempting to pass that buck onto others sans his responsibility.
Too bad a franchise can’t fire an owner for disastrous decisions forced upon the club.
VancouverBlueJays
100% agree with you there. For sure, Shapiro and Atkins would have much preferred to have started the rebuild after 2017. They are bright enough to know that everything would have needed to go right, for them to merely get the 2nd Wild Card spot for a dubious one-game Playoff.
Everyone knew that in 2018, BOS and NYY were going to steamroll everyone and take the AL East and likely the #1 Wild Card spot.
Stupid Corporate Ownership; always focused on the short-term gain.
Any fan who actually thinks that Shapiro and Atkins genuinely wanted to
“try to compete” in 2018 and that those two are to blame for Donaldson not having been traded last year, is not nearly as sharp as they think they are.
bradthebluefish
All of what said makes sense. The Blue Jays owner has to be making some of these final decisions.
Fever Pitch Guy
And what owner would want to pay a player $23M in the final year of his contract when the team has zero chance of contending? I’ll wait for a reply.
Taejonguy
a team that needs him to headline games broadcast on their network nation-wide
VancouverBlueJays
“Zero” chance? No, but definitely much better than zero. Basically, the BlueJays just had to beat out LAA, Seattle, and Oak for the 2nd WildCard spot. Neither you nor I figured that that was likely to happen, but we are not money-grubbing corporate owners. When the “Skydome” has merely a good turnout, the revenue that is earned from the gate, concessions AND tv advertising, is easily into seven-figures.
No Donaldson might as well mean, 15,000 fans or less every game, less concession $$ AND less NATIONAL tv $$.. So 23 Million?
A manageable amount to keep up fans (misguided) hope.
The corporate overlords knew how much of a swing in finances that trading Donaldson would bring. They know about the huge economic disparity between “the Lean years” vs the recent Playoff run. From a financial point-of-view, it’s easier to try to retain some of the current fan-base than to try to get them back after a extended rebuild. Shapiro’s bosses made the incorrect gamble.
Fever Pitch Guy
Actually, the “not sharp” people are those who think ownership wanted to pay $23M salary this season on one player in a walk year playing for a team that clearly wouldn’t contend. Clearly this mess is on Shapiro more than anyone.
jimmertee
Yup. All on Shapiro, not ownership.
deweybelongsinthehall
While there may not have been a reason to think the year could end like it has, Donaldson has so far has rolled snake eyes. Should be a reminder to all players that their situation is unique and more personal than to the team. At his age, the risk was far greater for him than the typical first time free agent. Hopefully for him there was available injury insurance and hopefully his agent insisted on it. Doesn’t sound like it though. Same thing for Mookie Betts and others who play year to year. Only saving grace is the monopoly type money he’s already earned might seem a pittance compared to what he was expecting, it’s still a fantasy fortune for the typical fan.
fasbal1
This is a perfect example of the danger in trading heralded prospects for a veteran player. Thank you Blue Jay’s for not accepting the Flaherty deal. Cards would have regretted that move for a while.
andrey c.
Would Flaherty have a .248 babip if he had to face Boston and New York 4 to 5 times a year?
Stroman and Sanchez are pretty talented and they can’t get Betts, Judge and Stanton out.
The Blue Jays needed Donaldson to hit like JD Martinez but he missed the whole season instead. It is what it is.
ThePriceWasRight
still better than what they got.
Rob B
You act like the Cardinals do not face teams with good hitters.
Fever Pitch Guy
I agree it’s a good example, but still not as good as the Syndergaard/d’Arnaud for Dickey trade. Hahahahahahahahahahaha!
teufelshunde4
Alex Anthopolis lovers always leave out that trade..
southpaw2153
I love when these guys get greedy, turn up their nose at a generous offer, then get stiffed because they were injured or start declining. Zero sympathy for Donaldson.
Vedder80
So you aren’t a fan of baseball and want to see the talented players get hurt? Sounds like you came to the wrong place for entertainment.
sufferforsnakes
He’s talking about greed, and how it’s taken over the world of sports.
stevewpants
Greed has existed in the game for a long time, its just more evenly distributed now compared to 60 years ago when the owners kept every cent. I will never understand why some of you guys think the players don’t deserve the money and only the white collars in the boardrooms do…
southpaw2153
Did you read the article? It said the team was willing to offer him $25 million + per year for multiple years. I never said he didn’t deserve the money, just found it comical he now isn’t going to even sniff that type of offer this winter. Money was there, he didn’t grab it and screwed himself because he was hoping to get even more. Lol. F him.
sufferforsnakes
Pretty simple. The more they get, the more it costs the fans.
Where does it end?
stevewpants
It sure would be nice if the world was that simple. Its not though. Orioles made some big signings last minute at the end of spring training and then started giving away tickets for free when nobody was showing up to the games. It is not as simple as saying the more players get the more tickets cost. Owners love that you think things work like that though to be sure.
Rob B
I agree that it isn’t quite that simple but your analogy really just proves his point. Why do you think they gave away tix? Out of the kindness of their hearts? Hell no! They want to make money on food and beverages, souvenirs and parking. They have to re coup somewhere. And if the trades they made produce a product people will pay to see, the fans will pay more for it. Don’t kid yourself.
Old User Name
Hooray!!! Now the owners get to keep all that money for themselves. SMH.
its_happening
Or fans stop going and watching games for a year or two, drive the prices down and bring changes. If MLB wants more younger fans they’ll need to be affordable for families once again.
Old User Name
The big contracts come from tv deals, not ticket prices or concessions.
stevewpants
What they need is to let kids watch a live stream on their devices for 99 cents a pop, thats how you get kids again.
Taejonguy
cause that’s gonna happen…
stevewpants
I don’t think it will happen either. But its better than putting games on facebook that has dwindling user numbers in the 18 and under category.
its_happening
Yes. Stop watching means stop watching TV. It would be crippling.
stymeedone
If that was true, the owners wouldn’t be worried about an aging fan base. Ticket prices and concessions would be cheap enough for families to go regularly, not once or twice a year. Only a few teams get enough dollars from the TV deal. The rest have to rely on attendance to supplement. Trading away Donaldson before the season would have killed ticket sales. Few outside of NY thought their starters would hold up, and Toronto had depth to their rotation. Toronto brings in CA dollars but pays out US funds. They had both business and competitive reasons to not throw in the towel before they played a game this year.
tbone0816
My guess he lands with the Cardinals in the offseason in free agency!! I really hope the Cards land him.
mt in baltimore
As long as he is healthy and can play…would love to see him reestablish himself in St. Louis.
tomabsolon
I am a life long Cardinals fan and have always liked Donaldson but at some point just like with a guy I have Admired from day one Adam Wainwright you have to say maybe they just don’t have it anymore but we will see.
HubcapDiamondStarHalo
I’d be as delighted for the Cards to land Donaldson via free agency as I am that Toronto turned down whatever offer St. Louis made before the season began!
infieldflyrule
As a Jays fan I do hope the best for Donaldson wherever he lands. I hate how the relationship and communication between the Jays FO/Ownership and Donaldson’s reps has crumbled and turned into a bitter mess. We have had an awful year where a lot of worst cases occurred. We have an encouraging future maybe if pitching appears from somewhere. JD brought excitement swagger and success back here after a long hiatus, I hope he shakes the injuries and returns to form. Thanks Josh!
weekapaug09 2
If Riley isn’t ready, I can see Atlanta signing him to an incentive-laden deal. Especially with AA as GM. Who knows?
Vedder80
An incentive laden deal isn’t going to get him.
weekapaug09 2
Fair. The dude is a stud when healthy. If he’s interested in a pillow contact though, have to imagine Atlanta would be a suitor.
homeunderdog
Jeff – have you forgot about a guy named Derek Rodriguez? Would be more deserving of the award if it came to that.
birdsonbat
Yeah maybe if sf was in a race, or drod avg more than a k/in. Two different pitchers, both good seasons. Flaherty has flashed ace though, admittedly haven’t seen much of drod, but i didn’t think his ceiling was that of an ace.
Nnnjjjjjhhjj
Does Heyman not have anything to write about? Their is a pennant race. What insecure little twit to argue with someone over twitter about a non-story.
Nnnjjjjjhhjj
there, not their.
steven st croix
Heyman is garbage
tharrie0820
Josh Donaldson? more like Donald Johnson!
Gordon Lightfoot
More excuse making for the Jays franchise. No “known reason” to ship Donaldson? How about the fact he had a calf injury the year prior (an injury known to linger), a dead arm this year in Spring Training, what appears to be a series of miscommunications with JD’s agents, and the player was in the last year of his deal? Jays didn’t do their homework and let yet another top talent leave with nothing in return. I’ll say it again, you reap what you sow. Not to worry, the Rogers/Sportsnet public relations team will handle the matter and lull the common Jays fan back to sleep. True baseball fans in Toronto, of which there are many, deserve much better. The same Jays brass that chose to hold on to JD are the same wide-eyed fools that said the Jays would “compete” in 2018 – Jays are 35.5 games out in the East. Expect better, Toronto.
charlesk
Can’t win the World Series when you’re 35.5 games back and rebuilding after another lost season… not sure that the Rogers brass even cares. #FireShapkins
tigerfan1968
The Jays did have a shot at contending with Josh healthy and a decent performance from Stroman and Sanchez. All three had injuries for the second straight year. Josh’s injuries have lasted much longer than I expected. He is still relatively young and one of the five best hitters in the AL. Nice to see Josh homer last night. It may be the Yankees, Astros, or Red Sox that may be questioning why they did not offer something decent to get Josh for the playoffs.
jleve618
Wow, tried to start reading the latest heyman article linked, just couldn’t do it. All I could hear was his whiney voice and it sounded like a kid trying to justify stealing someones lunch.
julyn82001
What a tremendous player Josh Donaldson is, period! A’s Billy Beane traded for Josh as a rocky and as a catcher – Oakland needed a third baseman to replace Eric Chavez – and Beane did not hesitate trying Josh at third! And what an incredible player Donaldson became! The A’s have Chapman now – another superstar – but wow Josh is just special no matter a down season like this one!
jimmertee
Great article Jeff.
At the end of the day, what did the Jays end up with in exchange for Donaldson, Bautista, and Encarnacion? A TJ guy from Cleveland with very little chance of elite upside.
There is no excuse for this. The Jays weren’t going to compete in 2017 and 2018 and that was said here in the MLBTR blogs adnaseum
It is time to fire Shapiro and Atkins. It was not ownership’s fault. Good scouting easily could see this team [and starting rotation] in ’17 and 18 were not going to compete and it is the scouting director’s and the GM/Pres job to relay that to ownership and marketing.
Inexcusable. Fire the Blue Jays Executive team now,. The Jays and there fans deserve an elite GM ala Gillack, Epstein, Cashman or Dombrowksi type.
VancouverBlueJays
A clear indication that “trying to compete in 2018” was in fact at the Owners’ behest, is that all of the player acquisitions were either mid-20’s aged players with potential and controllable years OR veterans with only a 1 year commitment; even Solarte has a team option for 2019 (which will get declined),
Trying to build up a decent farm system takes time, so the Blue Jays already have a Top 5 farm system, even tho’ their last GM just stripped it bare 3 years ago. ALL GM’s make moves that don’t work out, but I have never liked a BlueJays farm system as much I do now. Having to listen to his boss, Shapiro relented in trying to “compete in 2018”; but as expected, it didn’t work out. Re-iterating in every 2nd Blue Jays article that “Shapiro/Atkins need to be fired”?
Yes, we get it, Jimmertee, You have made your point.
citizen
Is this from josh Donaldson s agent. Do we really need a daily update on Donaldson. He’s been traded already. Geez.
JKB 2
Their are many articles I choose not to read. If the topic does not interest me I just pass amd look at the next one until I find one I want to read
I read this one. Hey so did you! I guess it caught your interest. So much we both even made comments.
Suggestion. You can always not read the article
charlesk
He’s reminding us that the Cards offered up a two-player package that included young righty Jack Flaherty (.248 BABIP, 132 1/3-innings so far in his rookie year) for Donaldson ahead of the season. Shapkins whiffed like they do so often, and now the Jays are 35.5 games back, and just at the start of a painful 2-3 year rebuild. AA is GM for the playoff bound Braves, too bad Rogers senior leadership fell for Shapiro’s BS.
its_happening
Rogers is in much more control than people think. History has repeated itself.
Rogers bought the team in 2000. In 2001 they fired Gord Ash and slashed payroll. Team was losing money for various reasons. However, Rogers turned down prominent former and current GMs to hand the reigns to JP Ricciardi from Oakland, because he convinced Rogers the team could win at $45-mil.
That didn’t work. Then stuck with Ricciardi at least two years too long.
Then there was AA. More penny-pinching at first. Only this time they were loaded with a stadium they own and a media they own. Sunshine and rainbows during the lean AA years thanks to Rogers and Anthopoulos is still beloved in a city where success was very minimal. AA can thank Rogers for the pat on the back.
Who’s hired next? The new penny-pinchers from Cleveland. Who did the hiring? Rogers.
Do not kid yourself. Rogers is the problem. When they decide they really want to win they will hire winners rather than bean counters, perhaps the city will be a successful baseball town. Until then we will be subjected to the same issues whether Shapiro is here or not.
TennVol
Watching Sean Reid Foley mow down the Yankees through 5 innings and 10 strikeouts. I think the Jays have 2 good ones in Borucki and Foley for next year. If Sanchez and Stroman and get themselves fixed for next year, those 4 should make a decent nucleus for the Jays staff in 2019.
jimmertee
Sorry to blow the illusion false hope bubble Frank, but it is the same bubble that existed at the end of 2016 and 2017 that led to this mess.
“If Sanchez and Stroman can get themselves fixed” That is NOT going to happen. Stroman has great stuff but blows up every 2nd game and his health isn’t great for a starter. He would make an elite closer. As for Sanchez he had one good year but his hand blew up on the curveball and without it he is a very weak starter, maybe a #4. SO neither of them are getting fixed.
As for Sean Reid Foley, he is a #4. he has good stuff but doesn’t have a clue where the ball is going once it leaves his hand. That means he can look great or be terrible. Mostly terrible at the major league level. I think he’ll eventually settle in as a #4.
That leaves Borucki. He has an upside of a #2 but that is only if he changes his workout regimen and puts on at least 20lbs of muscle. Otherwise he is #3, It is two more years before Borucki can mature like this.
That leaves a whole lot of holes in the BlueJays rotation. They really need an true Ace which they can acquire through trade or FA. But Atkins and Shapiro are terrible at acquiring elite talent. NAte Pearson has the stuff to be an ace but he is years away from the big leagues.
Barring changes, like I said in 2016 and 2017 this is going to be one bad starting staff in 2019.
charlesk
35.5 games back, no Championships for 25 years, and the team is going through a major rebuilding when you could have realised value for Donaldson, Happ, Estrada, etc at the start of the season. #FireShapkins