Blue Jays right-hander Marcus Stroman “probably” won’t pitch again in 2018, manager John Gibbons told reporters today (Twitter links via Ben Nicholson-Smith of Sportsnet). He’s been slowed by a blister on his pitching hand of late and simply won’t have enough time to build back up for a return. Stroman last appeared on Sept. 3 — his only appearance since Aug. 17 — and lasted just 1 2/3 innings. If his season does indeed prove to be over, it’ll go down as a forgettable one for the righty. In 102 1/3 innings, Stroman has posted a dismal 5.54 ERA with 6.8 K/9 against 2.8 BB/9, though his elite ground-ball tendencies and a fluky low strand rate have led fielding-independent metrics to paint a more optimistic picture (3.91 FIP, 3.84 xFIP, 4.04 SIERA). Stroman will be arbitration-eligible for the third time this winter as a Super Two player and will earn a modest raise on this year’s $6.5MM salary. He’s controlled through the 2020 season.
Some more notable injury updates from around the league…
- The NL East-leading Braves should have Arodys Vizcaino back in action on Friday of this week, per Gabe Burns of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Twitter links), but righty Jose Ramirez won’t pitch again this season. Vizcaino hasn’t pitched since mid-July due to a shoulder issue and was moved to the 60-day DL earlier this month when the Braves made a series of moves to accommodate September roster expansion. They’ll need to make a 40-man move to accommodate Vizcaino’s return; Ramirez, already on the 60-day DL with a shoulder problem of his own, won’t be that move. Meanwhile, David O’Brien of The Athletic tweets that third baseman Johan Camargo exited tonight’s game due to groin tightness. The team will likely have additional information available either after the game or tomorrow morning.
- Mark Saxon of The Athletic takes a look at the shoulder troubles that have plagued Marcell Ozuna all season (subscription required). Saxon notes that Ozuna has had difficulty with day-to-day tasks such as taking off a sweatshirt in recent weeks and has played through discomfort all season. Cardinals president of baseball operations John Mozeliak again acknowledged that the team was aware of some ongoing shoulder troubles with Ozuna when trading for him but felt, if anything, they’d impact his throwing from the outfield — not his offense. Still, Mozeliak says surgery has not been recommended for Ozuna, so it seems he’ll hope rest, rehab and perhaps physical therapy this offseason can help. To his credit, Ozuna has absolutely raked at a .333/.371/.615 clip in his past 143 PAs even while playing through that pain.
- The Angels are shutting down right-hander Nick Tropeano for the season, tweets Jeff Fletcher of the Orange County Register. The right-hander’s rehab stint was recently halted, and Fletcher adds that he’ll undergo a platelet-rich plasma injection in his right shoulder in hopes of avoiding offseason surgery. Three separate trips to the DL for shoulder issues limited Tropeano to just 76 innings in 2018, and he struggled to a 4.74 ERA with 7.6 K/9 against 3.7 BB/9 in that time. Those 76 frames were actually a career-high for the 28-year-old Tropeano, whose career has been proliferated by injuries — most notably Tommy John surgery in 2016. He’ll be arbitration-eligible for the first time this winter.
bleacherbum
I think this might mark the end of Stroman in Toronto. The Padres have made it known that they are shopping for this type of arm and coming this offseason I think AJ Preller is going to be very busy.
Coming off a down year, if I’m Toronto I take a package centering around C Austin Allen, advanced hitter who can also play 1B.
Toronto sheds nearly 7 million in salary for next season while opening a rotation spot for someone else. The Padres get a guy who if healthy can pitch atop the rotation. He is essentially the pitching version of Eric Hosmer, young guy, good teammate, players gravitate to, playoff/big game experiences etc.
Could see this happening if the Padres see the price is too high for Syndergaard, Fulmer or Duffy.
baseball1600
In what world is Danny Duffy going to demand more prospects than Marcus Stroman..otherwise agree with your comments.
its_happening
Jays should fire Atkins immediately if they deal Stroman – unless it’s a blow away offer.
Jays do not have enough starting pitchers on the roster or in the farm where the organization would be comfortable having them start at the big league level.
Jays also would be dumb to deal Stroman on a down year.
They need to keep him, hope for a good start to 2019 and deal him mid-season.
aurilius
Yup agree with this. Pitching depth in the Jays system is not there entering 2019.
infractor
And, if he has another year like this, he’ll end up dealt for peanuts and we’ll complain like we did with Donaldson.
In short – hindsight is 20/20 and we’re going to blame management regardless.
flippinbats79
I agree that he’s a great for the Padres. Disagree on trading him for a catcher. The system is loaded at all infield positions including catcher. We need young arms. Any trades the Jays do they are going to wants arms.
jbigz12
I’m not sure I’d want to compare anyone to Eric hosmer if I were a padres fan. Stroman has better peripherals and track record than Kevin Gausman and he’s made huge strides out of the ALE. Toronto will definitely command more than a guy who probably won’t be behind the plate. If Toronto moves him it’s going to cost the padres pitching prospects. You have plenty of those to give up.
NotaGM
Ozuna has troubles taking off a sweatshirt? Modern day Manny??? I guess hes special or a mommies boy.
robertj53086
Mommy’s Boy? You’re special
jimmertee
No way Stroman is getting traded. The Jays can’t get value and the current regime is terrified of trading players unless they have too.
Stroman’s injuries might wake up the Blue Jays mgmt team. Stroman can be an okay starter but he doesn;t have the personality for it. But he can be an elite closer. Perhaps the injuries will force this decision. At best he is going to be a #3 starter that is injury prone from here on out.
its_happening
Yep. If they traded Stroman they’d have to overspend on a bad veteran arm anyway to fill a spot. Right now, presumably it’s Sanchez, Borucki, Pannone, Reid-Foley and Stroman. Take Stroman away and I doubt the Jays want another guy within the farm taking a spot. We know Sanchez isn’t giving 30 starts next year so to deal Stroman would not make sense for now.
Midseason? Absolutely on the table.
taylorcm
If you are dealing Stroman the Braves have to be your 1st call. They have the MLB ready pitching to make the deal, and AA is familiar with Marcus.
Take your pick of two guys from this list Ian Anderson, Bryse Wilson, Luis Gohara, Kolby Allard. Plus two more from this list,
Alex Jackson, Kyle Muller, Israneal Wilson, Ray Patrick-Diddler, Freddy Tarnok, and Ricardo Sanchez.
jbigz12
I’m not sure if the Braves would be looking for more SPS. You’ve got Gausman, Newk and folty locked in. Soroka I’m sure is a big part of their plans as well. Leaves Teheran, Allard, Fried and Wright readily available for the 5th slot. They need to do something with their glut of pitchers eventually but idk if it’s for Stroman. A sure fire #1 would make that rotation phenomenal but I’m not sure that guy is available for ATL.
its_happening
Can Stroman even make the Braves rotation? Rhetorical question, but think about how far Stroman has slipped this season. Why would the Jays deal him? If trading Stroman is on the minds of Jays management it means there’s more to the guy than just poor performance.
some251guy
Don’t forget about Touki. He’s made big strides toward the 2019 rotation
angler
Braves pass – those prospects are needed for other purposes. 2 of Wilson and Gohara PLUS 2 MORE – As an example – no. Build it in to a bigger deal where there is a 3rd team and some players for Braves to address relief / catcher / outfield strengthening then those names can be part of it. Right now i view Teheran for Stroman straight up is more of a deal to be had hoping that change of scenery gives either of these aging names a jump start.
flippinbats79
None of your comment makes any sense at all. A closer? GTFOH
Wainofan
If they knew about Ozunas shoulder, why didn’t they go for yelich instead? Seems as if once Stanton turned down cards they had opportunity for either if price is right. Yelich would’ve been better get.
dicksickle
Yelich wasn’t available at the time. The marlins had no intentions of trading yelich until he asked to be. Once Stanton and Ozuna were traded he demanded to be moved.
cards81
that is a bunch of bull…Yelich was always available….I don’t care what was reported or otherwise….The marlins were in full tear down
matanzas1962
The Cardinals are obsessed with Power.
jdgoat
They would’ve had to give up at least two of Flaherty, Reyes, O’Neill, and Bader for Yelich
cards81
lol no way JD…the cardinals gave up better prospects for Ozuna than the Brewers gave up for Yelich…I don’t care if Brinson was a great prospect he isn’t that good…Sandy A. the pitcher the Marlins got is a front of the rotation guy and Sierra who is just as good as Brinson
jdgoat
Not true at all. The package headed by Brinson plus two other top 100 prospects in Harrison and Diaz was far superior than the Ozuna package.
cards81
Ill take Sandy A who is proving to be a front line starter, ill take that over anybody in that package…tomato tomatoe here but really that one pitching arm is worth more….plus Brinson the headliner isn’t great at all…obviously time will tell but the cardinals shouldn’t have gave up much more than what they did to get Yelich…giving up Flaherty is a joke I hope
cards81
people put to much stock in the ratings…for example Bader wasn’t even in the top 100 prospects list and is proving to be better than Binson and even further the best Defensive CF in the game…he is being talked about for the Gold glove and to a lesser extent ROY….another example is Paul Dejong, he was not in the top 100 prospect list and was 2nd in rookie of the year voting last year
jdgoat
I’m not saying the package the Cardinals sent is bad but Sierra has stunk it up in the majors and minors so far and Alcantara has not proved anything along the lines of a front line starter. He has a high 3 ERA in AAA.
cards81
obviously time will tell but I saw Sandy pitch against the Phillies and I instantly got knots in my stomach knowing the cardinals gave him up…he looked like an ace and shut them down over 7 innings…But either way if the cardinals would have given up lets say weaver or another promising arm they should have got Yelich
jbigz12
Alcantra doesn’t even have ace upside. He’s made 2 starts and the peripherals suggest he’s been way less than elite. None of his numbers his year suggest he’s an ace nor does his pedigree. He has two plus pitches, if his curveball gets there he could be maybe a #2 starter. That’s obviously a nice snag for 2 years of Ozuna for a non competitive team but he isn’t even there yet and has no guarantee of ever getting there. And it certainly would’ve cost a lot more for Yelich. Whatever Brinson is doing now is irrelevant. He was considered among the games best prospects at the time. Hes an extremely volatile prospect as was Byron Buxton but If those kind of guys piece it all together they’re stars.
tomabsolon
Well I hope the Cards are not going to sign Ozuna to some ridiculous contract because he is not the guy we need or the answer to our problems, please go get some real talent by spending some money for once a DeWitt….. enough of all the singles hitters that have a .230 average. Pisses me off!!
dirkg
Wait, an Angel pitcher is hurt? In other news, the Pacific Ocean has a lot of water.
jorge78
LOL
troll
salty
angelsfan4life
Especially one Jerry Dipsnot traded for. He is still trading for pitchers who can’t stay healthy.
halos101
lol angels traded hank conger for Trop and a catcher pretty much at the same value as conger (none). I criticize dipoto but not on that lol cmon now
southpaw2153
Stroman is another pitcher who’s way overrated, same as Archer and Quintana. Stroman is rarely more than a 5 inning pitcher. Guy is, at best, a #3 starter. Talent is really thin in MLB when Archer, Stroman and Quintana – among many others – are considered top of the rotation guys. But sure, let’s look into more expansion, right Manfred?
jdgoat
He did show last year that he can be a top of the rotation guy. If he ever becomes more consistent there is no reason to believe he can’t eventually become that guy.
bleacherbum
Exactly. Plus, in the WBC championship last year, Stroman showed what he could do on a really big stage against some pretty good lineups. Just needs to stay healthy.
southi
Vizcaino has been a good reliever throughout his career EXCEPT when he has been injured (which is too frequently). I don’t have much faith that he will ever stay healthy.
Ramirez has potential, but I definitely would not be surprised if at some point he is taken off the 40 man roster. The Braves have too many other players who have more value to the organization than Ramirez does currently.
Definitely hoping it was nothing serious with Camargo. He has been a pleasant surprise this season.
troll
watch ozuna miss considerable time next season when it’s determined in spring training he needs surgery. it’s the cardinal way
SoCalBrave
I really hope Camargo doesn’t have a serious injury, he’s been vital to the Braves resurgence. In other news, if the Braves go 8-9 on their last 17 games, the Philoles have to go 15-3 to win the division.
cito's mustache
Everyone’s saying “trade Stroman” but now might be the time to extend him. Buy up his two remaining arb years and two of his free agent seasons. He can then enter the market after his age 30 season and the Jays get him for a couple years in which they’re aiming to contend with the young core. Seems like a win-win.
its_happening
No to that too. Jays need Stroman to come back strong in 2019 to boost value and deal him.
Stroman is not part of the future and spending more money to keep him becomes the first of many problems with a rebuilding team; you wish you had that money to offer someone else to help put your team over the top.
VancouverBlueJays
Stroman is scheduled to hit Free Agency in 2021, which is when the Blue Jays expect to be competitive again. Marcus earned 6.5 Mill in 2018, Despite Stroman’s solid fip & peripherals, the Blue Jays should offer him a low-end short-term 2-year extension. A pitcher’s aging reflexes are not as much of a factor as it would be for a hitter; pitchers tend to age better than hitters. Also, Stroman doesn’t have the same kind-of mileage on his arm that some other pitchers have. Ya never know; Stroman (a la Chris Archer) might consider a couple of seasons of financial security and still be able to hit Free Agency at 31. I dunno, perhaps offer him 9 Mill per season in 2021/2022.
Maybe he’d actually take it.
its_happening
Stroman….is not…..part of…..the future.
Pray he performs in 2019. Deal him, big return, 2022 is when the Jays will be good. The young guys need some experience in the big leagues and most won’t become starting players until 2020.
cito's mustache
Repeating the same line doesn’t make it true. Why isn’t he part of the future.. because you say so? lol
its_happening
Very simple; an average pitcher’s decline begins around 27-28 years old. We are hypothesizing Stroman will A) return to 2017 form, and B) the Jays will be contenders in 2022.
If the winning begins in 2022, the window is from 2022-2025. Stroman will be 34 by the time the window starts to close. By then he will also be commanding a serious amount of money if he proves he can remain healthy. Not proving he’s an ace, just healthy. Average pitchers starting 30 times per year generate over $10-mil per year.
The Jays are not in any position to extend pitchers with a mid-5 ERA to serious cash if they aren’t willing to spend on can’t-miss 26 year olds like Bryce Harper. Having a guy like Stroman eat up a chunk of payroll when you don’t have to is bad business.
Get him healthy, get him back on track, fleece a team in a trade and your future is better for Stroman’s contribution to the organization.
cito's mustache
Aging curves are a guide, not a hard rule that says you can’t sign players past 28. It all comes down to his salary and what the team’s depth is around him (ie. a team’s area of need).
Counting on SRF, Borucki, Zeuch, Pearson, etc. to fill up the rotation 2-4 years from now would be a mistake. Pitching prospects are incredibly volatile. Having a proven MLB starting pitcher under contract for an additional year or two at a reasonable cost would be a good thing.
And most MLB teams won’t try to sign Harper. That has absolutely nothing to do with extending Stroman.
Oh yeah.. lol at “fleece a team”. Yep, it’s just that easy! Good plan.
its_happening
Who said anything about counting on the current guys? Pitching is a big issue for the Jays. That is why they need to deal assets for future pitching (example: Marcus Stroman….and Smoak).
The Harper example is a point you are missing; if the Jays don’t feel a Top-10 baseball player at 26 years old is a future piece, why would they think a 27-year old pitcher coming off an awful season with physical and mental problems is worth signing an extension to? Bryce Harper would be a statement for today and tomorrow. If the Jays are not willing to do that, I don’t see them looking at Stroman as a longterm guy either.
If the Jays were closer to contending, say 2020, I’d be open to that extension. Timing just isn’t right.
VancouverBlueJays
Yeah, it all boils down to how much Stroman would currently want in a 2021-2022 extension. Having proved that he is capable of pitching in the tough AL East makes a low-ball extension worth considering. But since the Jays’ expected first year of possible contention is not until Stroman’s expected first year of Free Agency, then with Stroman’s current struggles, the early low-end extension offer is the way to go; otherwise, if he does start improving his some of his traditional stats, then he is gonna cost alot in 2021 anyways. It’s easier to convince a guy who likes your organization to stay, than it is to convince a prospective Free Agent of the merits of moving to a new country.
Pitchers usually take about 3-4 years to develop, and frankly right now, they don’t have anyone that’s lined up in the minors to be great, come 2021.
It’s basically, how much is his contract vs what the Jays would get in trade.
garrog1949
Braves in off season should trade with Rox/////////Trade Fried,Ianderson.Riley,Gohara,and Inciarte for Arenado and R.Tyler Sign FA Grandal.