It seems the Mets have yet to get their much-anticipated front-office search underway in earnest. But there has been a steady steam of information on the process of finding a new top baseball operations. (Of course, there still has been no formal announcement that the club will replace Sandy Alderson, who’s currently on leave for cancer treatment, though it is widely expected to take place.) Joel Sherman of the New York Post lays out the team’s thinking on the hiring process, suggesting that ownership is still gathering names to consider but hopes to wrap things up in advance of the GM Meetings. Interestingly, current exec Omar Minaya is said not only to be involved in the process, but also a clear factor moving forward. Per Sherman: “it is clear that whoever does get the position is going to inherit Minaya as an executive with — at the very least — significant say in player personnel, and someone who has the ear and trust of ownership.” There are quite a few names being tossed around at the moment. As Sherman notes, that’s largely reflective of the still-early stage of proceedings — and, perhaps, some differences in preferred approaches between Fred and Jeff Wilpon. Meanwhile, Andy Martino of SNY.tv hears that the Mets are open to utilizing different front office structures (or, at least, allocations of titles) to help open the door to additional candidates. Generally, though, he writes that there’s no “particular top candidate in mind” at the moment.
- Yankees outfielder Clint Frazier likely won’t be able to return this season after suffering a setback in his efforts to return from a concussion, manager Aaron Boone told reporters including Marc Carig of The Athletic (Twitter link). The timing is poor for Frazier, who turns 24 today. With Aaron Judge still working his way back to health, this might have been a prime chance for Frazier to receive an extended opportunity. He has only appeared in 15 MLB games this year but seems in line for more after producing an excellent .311/.389/.574 slash with ten home runs in his 216 plate appearances at Triple-A.
- Red Sox prospect Trey Ball is moving from the mound to the batter’s box, as Greg Levinsky of the Boston Globe notes on Twitter. The Globe’s Alex Speier recently examined the subject, explaining that the 2013 first-rounder was seen as a two-way prospect as a high-school outfielder. With his pitching career fizzling out — he has struggled in consecutive Double-A seasons, despite repeating the level and converting to a relief role — the 24-year-old Ball will now take a second shot at carving out a MLB career.
- As we touched upon earlier tonight, the Martin Prado contract has been an exceedingly poor investment for the Marlins. That’s due mostly to the veteran’s injury and performance struggles, though the contract has also simply failed to line up with the team’s competitive timeline. Of course, that’s due in large part to the stunning death of former star pitcher Jose Fernandez, which occurred not long before the Prado deal was announced and drastically changed the organization’s outlook. Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald tweets, in fact, that the club considered halting negotiations with Prado, which had advanced to the point that terms were “in place” (but the contract un-signed) when Fernandez suddenly and tragically passed away. Instead, writes Spencer, the Marlins decided to go through with the deal that they had negotiated.
xabial
Sad news for his prospective trade-suitors; Clint Frazier is the LF heir apparent to Brett Gardner. This seals it?
thegreatcerealfamine
That’s not written in stone…
Adam6710
Nothing is in stone, but given his performance I can’t see Gardner brought back as anything more than a 4th outfielder and pinch runner, if he’s brought back at all. The org seems to very much believe in Frazier, and next year he’ll still be just young enough to be considered a young talent.
Cuso
BG won’t sign as a 4th OFer anywhere and the Yankees won’t sign him to be a pinch-runner
thegreatcerealfamine
I don’t believe Gardner will be brought back in any capacity. I also feel Frazier is not that well thought of by the organization, and will get traded this winter…
linc_case
The Yankees fought very hard this entire year to stay under the luxury tax threshold so their rate is reset to the lowest. That is for a specific reason which is a big money FA or two will be added this offseason. Maybe even an outfielder (Harper?). I do not believe Gardner is coming back unless it is a backup OF and low money 1 year thing. Every year he peters out August and is obviously spent this year. I hope for the best for Frazier; kid does have loads of ability but this head injury is a red flag going forward. Don’t think right now they are counting on CF being starting LF next year.
southbeachbully
The Yanks have an option they can pick up for $12.5 mil. They might easily decide that he’s worth bringing back to be the everyday LF going into ST or 4th OF. This year has proven that no matter how much depth you have, you can never have enough. Yanks had depth in the IF and then Bird went down and Austin was quasi effective. They had Walker and Drury as starters and quickly had to recall Andujar and Torres. They had tons of depth in the OF with Judge, Hicks, Stanton, Gardner, Ellsbury and Frazier going into ST with McKinney and Cave in AAA. They felt they had so much depth that they traded away Cave who would be Rule 5 eligible his winter. Fast forward and they couldn’t make it out of ST with Ellsbury and Frazier at all and quickly McKinney went on the DL too. Judge goes down and suddenly you’re AAA depth guy like Shane Robinson is starting games in RF and Neil Walker is doing his best rendition of a mlb OFer. The point is, no team with the aspirations of winning a championship should leave itself vulnerable by NOT having mlb proven depth at key positions.
From Gardner’s perspective, what kind of market is really out there for a player like him? Now, that’s not to say he’s not valuable (he’s a 2.5-3 WAR player) but he’s probably not getting anywhere near $12.5 on the open market. Also, there’s something about being a career Yankee. He’s 35 and nearing the end of his career. I can easily see him becoming a coach in the near future. I would either pick up his option at $12.5 knowing that he might be the most expensive 4th OFer if Frazier (or Harper) are in the picture or, my favorite option, decline his option and offer him a 2 year deal at $15 mil total and maybe a 3rd year option around $5 mil. He deserves to be a lifer but he also has to be realistic about where he is in his career.
Adam6710
Yes, Cuso that’s why I said “if at all.” Important to read an entire comment before responding. A good lesson for future internet use!
dobsonel
They did not get under the tax to reset it. They went under because Hal believes you don’t need to spend that kind of money to win championships. The only way the get Harper is on a 7 year contract for less than 30 mil and we all know some team is going to give more years for way more money.
IloveMACfootball
Gardner is getting a monument.
thegreatcerealfamine
Obvious troll…
thegreatcerealfamine
Let’s just see.
nitemare
I rather have anyone from the farm instead of sub.240 noodle am no steal Gardner
baseball1600
It saddens me to think that the Mets are literally in the same position the White Sox were in a few years ago and will probably do nothing. The Mets have Degrom, who is better than Sale, Syndegaard, who could net a top 100 prospect as a headliner in a package, Conforto, who many teams would be interested in, and Cespedes, who I think they should package Amed Rosario with to get rid of the salary. I think if the Mets trade all these players, they retool and refresh and get themselves in a position to compete in 2022-24 ish when the braves start losing players to free agency and decline.
baseball1600
It saddens me because the Mets wouldn’t do any of these trades.
MikeyHammer
It saddens me, as a Mets fan, when I read they hadn’t started their search ‘in earnest’, all I could picture is them hiring Earnest from those terrible movies to run the team.
xabial
Agree with most of these points except Yoenis Cespedes. About as untradeable as they come. Talk to me after his 8-10 month recovery timetable passes
mikeyank55
Wants the under/over on his actual return date*
More than 8-10…more likely 12 months.
*Qualification-plays 10 our of 12 straight games.
rocky7
More importantly to him, whats his over/under on his ability to golf timeframe…..probably more like 4-6?
getright11
Its “over/under”, you hack.
frankthetank1985
Lmfao
But I actually want to contribute to his post for once. He has had trouble playing 10 out of 12 games when he was “healthy.” So I would go with a hard over on that one.
gmenfan
He’s just an alt-gambler, trying to alt-gamble his way through life. Let him be.
canadianyankee
It’s “it’s” you hack! LOL
callingoutdummies247
Qualification- waives no trade clause……
pd14athletics
Giving up Rosario to get out of a bad contract is the last thing a large market team should do, especially if they plan on rebuilding. I definitely understand trading and getting large hauls for Syndergaard and DeGrom, but giving up a player like Rosario just to shed a contract would be criminal.
Woodlawn
Conforto?? Average outfielder that can’t hit lefties. Little to no value.
Down with OBP
Given how you describe him, and his years of control, that actually is quite valuable.
southbeachbully
A 25 year old, who in the last two year, has had a 13% walk rate and 48 HRS and still has 3 years of control left has plenty of trade value and your insane to insist otherwise. He’s not going to bring back multiple top 100 prospects but I think he can easily net a 50-100 ranked prospect and one or two unranked guy.
MZ311
Is DeGrom better than Sale though? I’d say they are equally amazing.
Woodlawn
DeGrom is not better then sale. Syndergaard is always hurt but could get a chip. Conforto is not good. No one is taking cespedes salary, the guy is always hurt, terrible attitude. There is a reason he played for 4 teams in like 3 seasons.
rocky7
Not a Mets fan but having watched deGrom in the subway series against the Yankees and seeing Sale pretty consistantly over the last several years…I think deGrom is every bit as good as Sale….he just doesn’t get any love from his offense or defense behind him.
Sale’s funky release will probably shorten his pitching lifespan as compared to deGrom who is pretty much classic in style.
417caseyray
Sale has been one of the most durable pitchers in the game since being put into the rotation. This is after every “expert” said his delivery would lead to arm trouble. Matt Harvey was thought to have the “perfect” delivery.
417caseyray
Sale is #31 on the active IP list. Only been a starter since 2012.
SaberSmuckers
Since 2012 and prior to this year, Sale has averaged 30 games started and 205 IP. over those six years. He’s the definition of durable.
Any team would love to have deGrom, but he’s not every bit as good as Sale. Absolute beast, and should win the NL CY, but I still give Sale the very slight edge for their body of work the past five years.
deGrom is having an incredible year, but so is Sale. How can a starting AL pitcher have a WHIP under .85? That’s Pedro like. 219 K’s in 146 IP, also incredible. 5.6 H/9 would be good for 7th all-time.
Fine, so looking at the numbers in more depth, I could argue he may be as good, but happy hour starts in 10 and that is taking precedence over redoing the above.
resident
As constituted the Mets are 20 and 13 over past 33 games. Starters lead the league in fewest runs allowed this season while the bullpen leads the league with most runs allowed. They don’t need an overhaul when a fine tuning will get the job done.
mikeyank55
Hey resident. That’s best case scenario and doesn’t mitigate their terrible farm system. Their lineup is like Swiss cheese and the defense is pathetic up the middle. Otherwise everything is wonderful.
jbigz12
Degrom and Sale is way too close to call. I certainly wouldn’t say Degrom is 100% better. They’re both aces. Syndergaard needs to net a whole lot more than 1 top 100 prospect for me to trade him. He’s going to cost a lot more than that. His injury risk is going to keep the price from being extreme but it’s certainly going to hurt. There’s no reason for the Mets to trade away Cespedes if they are giving up additional talent. If you trade Degrom and Syndergaard you’re taking a huge chunk of future payroll off the books. They’re in the NY market, they can afford to pay Cespedes.
I’m not sure the Mets can’t win with some upgrades to their roster. A rotation headed by Wheeler, Degrom and Syndergaard is pretty good. If they can all stay healthy and they piece together a BP, they could be a team to watch out for. It’s all about how much money Wilpon will spend to make that happen though. He has to see that Bruce is a sunk cost, Vargas, etc. and add some talent. They definitely need to pick a direction. Blow it up or add to it because they’re going to be stuck somewhere in the middle if not.
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
The Mets and nationals have to be the two most dysfunctional teams in the NL East, if not most of MLB. Save for their aces (deGrom and Scherzer respectfully), neither can keep starting pitchers healthy for an entire season. The FA signings the Mets have made over the past few years have mostly been busts. Why Frazier and Bruce weren’t moved at the deadline (Eat the money!) is a mystery. The Nats are in their fourth straight season trying to establish a bona fide closer.
Yankeepride88
Let me know once deGrom has had more than one dominant season. He’s not better than Sale.
rocky7
Don’t know what rock you’re hiding under but his 2014 and 2015 were pretty doggone dominant.
Also, when you look at his innings vs hits per for his career, its pretty silly in his favor.
To say he hasn’t had dominant seasons playing with the outs he has behind him is just stupid.
jyosuckas
Why would they? They have arguably the best pitcher in baseball, Syndergard has had a down year but has shown his potential and they have Wheeler who is now in the top 20 in MLB in ERA. You build around that and they already have some great offensive players, they’re not far away.
xabial
Mets are still an owner away which is still far away
mikeyank55
Yes sir…in Wilpon land where Mutt and Jeff can steal from the average fan and make believe that they love the team and know what they are doing.
Gobbysteiner
Because Thanos car
LongTimeFan1
I agree not that far away..
Adios pelota!
I believe Wheeler is a free agent after this season
m34josh
One more year of arbitration
Phanatic 2022
If you are not going to sign them long term or add to the team to make them competitive you trade them and rebuild
southbeachbully
That’s like having a great QB but a horrible offensive line and mediocre wide receivers. Bottom line is, the Mets need to be willing to extend and retain their key starters and then spend/build around them in a quick fashion. If not, then trade away your most valuable assets, collect as much high-end talent as possible. However, they should first assign an overseer to guide them in the direction they need to go. Unless you trust the current management to acquire universally rated top prospects then it might make more sense to wait until the off-season and let that “guru” be a good steward over the player acquisitions.
I’m a Yanks fan and while I think Cashman has been a genius the last few years I think that he probably has some of the best personnel working beneath him that are advising him on some of these great finds. Yanks have been outstanding finding value in some of their mlb trades (Didi, Hicks, Voit) and drafting power arms in the late rounds and developing them into great bullpen arms and trade bait. Mets need to evaluate their entire operation from scouting to player development to their mlb front office.
Gobbysteiner
Thanos car
angels fan 3
Wrong Jose Fernandez
mikeyank55
Wonder why this article didn’t discuss Todd’s steal the ball scene. Not good for an otherwise good guy. Just shows what happens when you add a good player to a toxic season. Too bad for Toms River as well.
SaberSmuckers
It’s no different from when Jeter took first base against the Red Sox even though it hit the bat and never hit him. It didn’t take away from Jeter, and this won’t hurt Frazier.
I’m sure Toms River will survive as well.
JoeyPankake
Are the Yankees burnt out on Greg Bird to the point where they would consider a Belt and cash for Frazier swap? Two dudes with concussion issues but both would help fill positions of need for the other team.
jbigz12
Belt’s been horrible since he’s returned from the DL. He’s owed way too much money for that to ever happen. If the Giants were lucky it’d be Belt and Cash for Bird.
Backup Catcher to the Backup Catcher
After a bit of a down season, I bet the Phillies would be happy to deal Carlos Santana to the Yankees. And I bet they would pay a fair portion of the $40 million that’s owed to him in 2019 and 2020. Santana heading back to the AL and being part of a stronger line up that makes the Phillies line up look like the guys who couldn’t make the Bad News Bears has to be a plus. Santana offers historically high OBP, and playing half his games at Yankee Stadium could mean a return to 30+ homers.
rocky7
Certainly an interesting idea…..not sure Luke Voit is the total answer and most Yankee fans feel that the Bird experiment is probably over.
They certainly need to do something although first base will probably be predicated by whether they sign Manny or not….potentially moving Andujar over to first unless he is moved to acquire top line pitching.
Adam6710
Next season I would be fine with a first baseman that can hit .260 and swat 15 home runs with great defense. When you’ve got Judge, Stanton, Sanchez, Andujar, Torres, Didi, Frazier, and whatever free agent they inevitably sign (whether Machado or not)– offense will not be the issue.
Yes, I know offense has been a struggle lately for them, but this has been an EXCEPTIONALLY bad string of injuries for them that could not have been accounted for, losing all but two of the above players (Stanton/Andujar) for long stretches.
A reasonable hitter who can play the position well is all I as a fan am looking for out of first base. Imagine how much better the team would have been all season if Bird had hit even .250.
southbeachbully
I don’t think they’ve given up on Bird but I do think 2019 ST thru May will be a critical period of time for him and Voit might even shorten that window if he can finish the year strong. He’s has great all-fields power where as Bird is such a pull happy hitter playing the game at a time where advance analytics and shift happy defenses are muting his offense.
rocky7
Good comment but one good reason to forget about Bird is that he can’t hit a good (95 MPH) major league fastball.
And when most of the league’s pitching is averaging 95, that’s a significant reason to look somewhere else for the answer.
KnicksFanCavsFan
Bird has shown, and metrics support it, that in previous years Bird has been able to aptly turn on an inside fastball in the mid 90s. Something has changed. Would not be shocked if he’s playing hurt. That’s why I’d want to see him coming fresh out of ST healthy and see if he improves.
Gobbysteiner
Belt is better than santana
southbeachbully
Think about what you just said. If Belt has a concussion then he would really be able to help the same way Frazier has been unable to help. Also, Voit seems to be holding his own right now. The only way I can see a 1b other than Bird or Voit for 2019 is if they sign a guy like Harper and move him to 1b or maybe moving Andujar to 1b (which I’ve heard has been discussed).
jbigz12
I don’t know why you’d want to move andujar to first. It wastes his best defensive attribute which is his strong arm. I guess if the Yankees really feel like they need Machado and want andujar around they can slide him over but it seems counterproductive. He’s still going to have bad range and the arm is now neutralized.
gofish 2
I think we all knew the Marlins future was ruined after Jose passed. Strong window of competitiveness closed in one night.
shelteredsoxfan
And it was his (fernandez’s fault). Had he not tragically passed away in that accident, he’d be in prison anyways)
bobtillman
The Mets’ problem is the division. Phillies and Braves are loaded with young talent, on their rosters and below; the Nats may chronically underperform, but they’re still a .500 club, even with their forthcoming defections. I can’t see a reasonable window of opportunity for 3-5 years.
Tear it up; trade everything that’s not nailed down. Find a young, aggressive GM somewhere, and give him time. There’s really no excuse for a team with their revenue to be the dumpster fire they are.
steelerbravenation
Hey my Braves got a lot of money coming off the books maybe we take Prado off they hands to get Realmuto of course some prospects going their way maybe Allard, Anderson, Jackson, Demeritte & Ynoa for Prado & Realmuto