The Pirates have officially struck a trade to acquire starter Chris Archer from the Rays, as Stephen Nesbitt of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette first reported (via Twitter). Talented young players Austin Meadows and Tyler Glasnow will both go to Tampa Bay, as Jim Bowden of The Athletic tweeted.
There’s also a third player in the deal, as first noted by Marc Topkin of the Tampa Bay Times (Twitter link). The identity is still not known — the announcement cites a player to be named later — but it’s said to be an asset “of real value,” per Jon Heyman of Fancred (Twitter link).
Today’s news brings an end to a long-running trade saga involving Archer. The talented right-hander has been viewed as a target for years, with rival organizations intrigued not only by his big innings and strikeout totals, but also his extremely valuable contract. He now becomes the latest quality starter to be traded away by the Rays organization.
Archer inked a six-year, $25.5MM swap early in 2014. The agreement includes two option seasons at the end. While the very cheapest years have already gone into the books, there are some affordable campaigns remaining. Archer is earning just $6.25MM this year and $7.5MM next, followed by $9MM and $11MM club options that have a combined $2MM in buyouts.
Those dollar amounts surely appealed to a Pirates organization that is always seeking value. But the team was motivated most by the chance to improve in the near-term. Archer will represent a significant new addition to the rotation. The 29-year-old has only a 4.31 ERA on the year, the third-straight season in which he has allowed more than four earned per nine, but continues to carry peripherals that suggest he’s significantly better.
Of course, at some point the results will need to catch up to the metrics, and the Bucs are betting that’ll happen sooner than later. Archer is a quality asset regardless, but this deal was surely made based on the premise that he still can return to the higher standard he carried earlier in his career.
Otherwise, it’s hard to imagine the Bucs parting with this haul of talent in return. Meadows is the headlining piece at this point, as the 23-year-old top prospect has now shown an ability to hit in the big leagues. While his numbers at Triple-A haven’t been quite as impressive of late, and he’s benefiting from a .345 BABIP, Meadows carries a .292/.327/.468 slash in his first 165 plate appearances at the game’s highest level.
Glasnow, meanwhile, is soon to turn 25. He’s a big talent who has yet to fully harness his abilities. This year, Glasnow has functioned in a relief capacity, turning in 56 innings of 4.34 ERA ball with 11.6 K/9 against 5.5 BB/9 and a 56.0% groundball rate. While there’s still hope he’ll round into a MLB starter, perhaps that distinction won’t matter too much for a Rays team that no longer really seems to have a true starter on its roster at all.
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
LumberJerk9Billion
It finally happened!
jakethesnizake
This is a real head scratcher.
ray_derek
Hahahaha, this is good.
beard0603
Meadows, Glasnow, and Hayes to TB
KermitJagger
Would hate to include Hayes in the deal.
mfh530
and somebody said they’d never trade Meadows! I am ok with this, if this is the real deal
tiredolddude
Dear God, I hope not.
Robertowannabe
I am ok with Meadows because Martin and Reynolds both close to MLB ready anyway. Would hate to see Hayes go. Glasnow is a lot better than people think. He seams to have figured a lot of things out now and believe that he will be a great pitcher sooner than later. He is only 24 going on 25 later in August. Many dominant pitchers are not so dominant till they learn to harness the talent.
Joe Kerr
@GOZURMAN1 “Seams” to have figured it out, I see what you did there:)
bapthemailman
I hope they didn’t give up that much
jtkuch
Not Hayes, but someone else lesser with the other 2 I’d do
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
It’s only Glasgow and Meadows for Archer. It doesn’t say anything about a third player.
bucjoe
Article says”there is a 3rd player in the deal. A player to be named later and he is said to be “a real value”.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Yeah I only saw Glasgow and Meadows before putting my glasses on while waking up. Either way. If Archer can be the archer of 4 years ago. This will be a steal for pirates. Unless the 3rd player is a #1 prospect. And hes a star it’s a even trade. The Rays sold really low.
deal1122
Wow
LJB
Damn…..Crew need a pitcher, now we face him.
ray_derek
Milwaukee is scared to deal prospects, sitting on their hands again.
LJB
AAARRGGGG, probably right. Gotta do something.
Robertowannabe
AAARRGGGG—-you be a Pirate matey?
nymetsking
Archer be
Robertowannabe
I do not know the depth of the Brewers system. The Bucs had been loathe to trade prospects because they had very little behind the top 3o. With some of the trades that they have made and with drafting, they are deeper than they used to be they can afford to let some prospects go these days because the cupboard will not go quickly empty.
VermontsFinest
Milwaukee scared to deal prospects?? Maybe rethink that statement. Over the years that’s exactly what they’ve done to get players like, C.C., Grienke, Yellich, Cain etc.
cubshoops5
Cain was a free agent signing
mlbscout6 2
And CC was like a decade ago now lol
padam
And once upon a time ago used Cain to get Greinke.
therealryan
Looks like Milwaukee just ddid’t have the prospects to get Archer. Just last year both of these players were top 25 type prospects and both seem to be starting to figure things out this year. Big return for the Rays.
11Bravo
No they have the prospects to get Archer, they just didn’t want to deal Burnes or Hiura for a #3/#4 pitcher.
Isaiah Hainline
Brewers got Schoop
66TheNumberOfTheBest
I know he’s not an ace, but I came to really really like Archer during the WBC. Great get.
Chris
If he pitches like before, it is. If not, this was a terrible deal
kidfavre4
Why?
oriolesandthunder
Surprising, but I like it
joew
holy !@#%
Flubby
Over rated
#Fantasygeekland
Great point. He’s better than the 4 era he has suggests, although he isn’t an ace as his name value suggests
geejohnny
Alright Ray Searage……you’ve got some work to do.
pinstripes17
cmon yankees get somebody
#Fantasygeekland
They got lance Lynn bro
pinstripes17
Lmao!
srechter
Pinstripes, your shortsightedness is astounding and infuriating. I hope you’re just a poor troll.
srechter
Happ and Britton, my friend. Seriously, did you just forget? Don’t care? I’m lost.
swinging wood
Finally the Archer saga concludes!
Thronson5
This hurts. Been really wishing my Dodgers would get this guy for years now and to see him finally traded but to a different team really stings.
LADreamin
It’s ok, SP really isn’t a huge need. 2B and 8th inning reliever RHP are more important. Also, Archer would decimate our farm. Rather keep the kids
politicsNbaseball
Agreed, I kind of wanted him to but not worth the price. I think the Rays are the winner here
Yanks2
Why?
xabial
So they can trade him later. Archer’s owed a bargain $27.5 million over the next three seasons.
#Fantasygeekland
They’re not trading for him with the intention of dealing him later….
#Fantasygeekland
Nobody does that unless it’s a rebuilding team taking on somebody like Matt Harvey with the hope that they can establish trade value.
xabial
It’s nice to have options. They can try flip him anytime in the next 3 years to replenish their prospect system, if they’re not competing….
politicsNbaseball
Although I do agree with you, they could theoretically trade him after this season to lessen the prospect blow and still getting a quality pitcher to help you this year
#Fantasygeekland
They might if things go worse than they intended, but they didn’t acquire Archer with the intent of trading him
Francys01
I am surprised I thought he was not going to be traded.
ronnsnow
YES! Great pickup by the Pirates. exactly the arm they need and can afford. great job NH!
Kekek
Tell me more about how great this trade was
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Kelek-Only a true troll would make a comment like this after not commenting on the original thread.
Hindsight is twenty twenty.
Kekek
Trolololol
Bryzzo2016
Wow! Go Bucs!! Loving their recent moves, really rewarding their team and the fanbase for the way the team has been playing. Not an ace, although he definitely would have been for the Brewers if they stepped up, nonetheless he’s a damn good pitcher with a GREAT contract!
walls17
man im glad the yankees passed if that was the package they had to beat
southi
So many fans were down on the pirates earlier this year, but they are making definite positive steps in the right direction.
bewenglandsportsss
Okay they traded away their ace in gerrit cole and now trade for one back this makes no sense
Remember92
Cole was gone due to Boras, regardless. Archer is signed at a team friendly rate until 2021. Cost control
RedRooster
Boras can’t make Cole be a free agent any sooner. He was controlled for this year and next. So no, he was not gone.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Unless you understand how team control works.
RedRooster
Unless you understand how Gerrit Cole is simply better than Archer and was controlled long enough to contribute this year.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
The Gerrit Cole who had a 4 ERA in the NL Central the past two years?
OK, Champ.
RedRooster
The Gerrit Cole whose ERA as I type this comment is 2.64 for this season. And Chris Archer’s ERA since the 2016 season started is 4.14 by the way. With a 4.49 on the year.
But you didn’t think about all that did you skippy?
firstbleed
Yup could have had Arche & Cole for the next 1.5 years together.
Alex Graboyes
Pirates is like a tree. They go whichever way the wind is. Sometimes they are great and sometimes they are the worst team in baseball
Remember92
Meadows, Glasnow, and Baz. Or, do they move Palonco with another minor piece and gi e Meadows right field?
schaeferboom12
Meadows?
RedRooster
Well this makes no sense. If they really needed a starting pitcher they should have kept Gerrit Cole who is much better than Archer and cost less in the way of prospects.
hiflew
Yeah, but Cole had much less control. The Bucs have Archer until 2021 at least.
RedRooster
Cole was controlled for this year tho
panj341
If we still had Cole, we might be in first place.
bucjoe
Actually THROUGH 2021, until 2022.
brewcrewbernie
Meadows and Glasnow?! Wow, that’s an overpay.
wkkortas
Two lottery tickets. Not even close to an overpay.
Freakshownat
Glasnow is a headcase and has had longstanding control problems. Meadows lacks pop.
therealryan
Glasnow is 6-8 and many tall pitchers take a little longer to get their control figured out. I also don’t know why you would say Meadows lacks pop. He has a .175 ISO this year and a .162 ISO during his MiLB career. He might not be a 30 HR guy but he is projected to be a 20 HR guy. My biggest issue is that he seems to be injured every year.
c1234
Lol pirates lost this trade. Wow they gave up way too much
wiggysf
Ray searage.
SanDiegoTom
As a padres fan, thank you Pittsburgh!
keepinthafaithsd1
Right?!?
tiredolddude
Meadows, Glasnow and another player? Paid way too much. To think this organization passed up numerous deals that involved Meadows as he was the face of the future but gave him up for….Archer???
hiflew
The Pirates are set in the OF with Dickerson, Marte, and Polanco. OF prospects are a lot easier to come by than cheap, definitely good potentially great, proven starters.
Chris
Set with a guy that was DFAd last winter
hiflew
He wasn’t DFA’d because he was bad. He was an All Star. He was DFA’d because Tampa was too cheap to keep him.
Little Whirl
A 2-3 starter with that contract has immense surplus value. Am actually surprised the Rays didn’t extract more talent beyond Austin Meadows honestly.
Priggs89
This would’ve been a “Sale-like” return if it was 2016. Still, I like it for the Rays.
thegreatcerealfamine
Gotta give it to the Rays cause this is the heist of the century. Pirates blew their wad for this..beyond a head scratcher.
Bruce Humbert
Depending on who plater three is this is a either a slight or moderate overpay…
But if you are fan or a player you have to like todays moves. Huntington has been criticized for doing nothing – nobody can accuse him of that this year. Solid rotation going forward and 4 late inning options.
Glasnow May turn into Randy Johnson – but he was unusable and a wasted roster spot this year. Meadows is probably going to have a nice career in Tampa but the Bucs have depth in the OF and enough money to do a reasonable extension with Dickerson if he is interested.
thegreatcerealfamine
“Glasnow May turn into Randy Johnson” you grabbed that from MLB tonight. Who is comparable in their depth to Meadows? Chris Archer is the most overrated starter in Baseball.
Robertowannabe
Who is comparable to Meadows. Very easy, Jason Martin and Brian Reynolds. Next question??
PS The comparison of Glasnow and Johnson as been around for a couple of years because of his size and similar stats that Johnson has
thegreatcerealfamine
Meadows was a top 100 prospect and Reynolds is not even in the Pirates top ten. If you’re banking on Martin being anything other than a 4th outfielder..oh my. Next players you got that equal Meadows for depth then…
Robertowannabe
Yes. Meadows was on the top 100 list but has not realized that talent level since getting to AAA. Martin has torn things up this year and he is 14th prospect per MLB.com and Reynolds is #9 on that list too.. He started the year on the DL but he has been hitting as well. Remember Harold Ramirez and Reese McGuire? They were both top 100 guys too…..where are they these days?? Besides that they have Mitchell, Sanchez, Swaggerty in the lower minors among others.
thegreatcerealfamine
First off none of those guys is ready like Meadows was. Second those are top 30 Pirates rankings and mean nothing vs the rest of MLB. Prospects. The Pirates traded a future All Star for the most overrated pitcher in MLB. Like they said on MLB network, you don’t trade that much for a starter to still pick Taillon to pitch in a big game.
hiflew
Glasnow may also turn into Ryan Anderson too.
Robertowannabe
You would be correct and that is what is great about the game! You never know what you are gonna get.
BucSox
Look at Meadows and Glasnow’s numbers over the last 2 years. Both of their value’s are on a steep decline.
Robertowannabe
Meadows was hurt last year. He did well in his time in the bigs this season. He is only 23. Glasnow has been figuring some stuff out this year. He may well end up being a closer. Seems like he does very well for an inning. Has struck out the side several times. It seems that the longer he is in he gets into trouble. Will be interesting the 3rd player.
The_Porcupine
I’m ok with this depending on the 3rd player. Neither Glasnow or Meadows have developed as expected (especially Glasnow). They were going to have to give up something good to get Archer.
Kekek
Still ok with it?
Adolpho67
Pirates foil Brewers plans!
ztrekker
Nice haul for Tampa
Fg-3
So after all the years of hype… and trade rumors and the big teams that were gunning for a starter. Archer goes to the pirates? The rays should be embarrassed.
itslonelyatthetrop
You see the return TB got? They haven’t a thing to be embarrassed about.
Stantonfan115
Embarressed for what reason? Have you actually seen what they got for him they got more than he’s worth lol.
Priggs89
White Sox just traded international slot money to the Rays for Hunter Schryver. When can we expect the writeup?
chound
Good job Tampa.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Which final trade piece will we learn first, the PTBNL in the Kela deal or the third piece of the Archer deal?
As long as none of them are Keller or Swaggerty (they won’t be) this is a great day for the Pirates, but I do hope that none of them are Hayes or Baz.
Robertowannabe
Saw on the Pgh Post Gazette that Brink says Heyman confirms it is not Hayes.
RedRooster
Swaggerty can’t be traded until next offseason. Not even as a PTBNL (the Trea Turner rule closed that loophole).
michaelw
Pirates over paid for that for sure. Archer not that good with his + 4 1:2 ERA. Over 3+ years.
But at least it wasn’t Milw or the LAD who got him. What happened to the Yanks as their fans were so positive they get him. Oh yeah they got Lance Lynn
Chris
They’ve been arguably the same pitcher the last 3 years. Plus if he sucks we move on
Bruin1012
They haven’t been anywhere near the same guy Archer’s advanced metrics are really solid Lance Lynn not so much really no comparison between the two.
darkstar61
Archer has no arsenal to throw against hitters so hitters pound the ball against him. His advanced metrics assume a normal BAbip that he is flat out unable to produce off his poor 4-Seam, unreliable and therefore rarely used Change and extreme Slider he is having to rely on way too much to diminishing returns. Losing his Sinker has made him a hitting machine.
Unless he develops a new pitch you should expect a BAbip over .330 forever more, and the accompanying ERA no where near what his FIP indicates should be possible
stan lee the manly
Results wise maybe, by Lynn is a fastball heavy, fly ball pitcher now pitching in the small AL East ballparks. He may be due for some regression even further
stan lee the manly
But Lynn*
darkstar61
Archer is a 1.5 pitch guy – a Slider and an unpredictable Change he rarely throws.
He has also benefited from a very good (with great range) Defensive fielding club behind him and pitching in a Pitchers Park that has resulted in a 3.33 ERA home and 4.05 ERA road split over his career (and that includes his good years, back when he used to have that plus Sinker he has since lost completely)
thecoffinnail
So one Yankee fan wanted him, in your world means we all did?
jbeerj
Wow, that is awful light, TB!
Robertowannabe
Thinking not. When Meadows and Glasnow both settle into the majors, they both will be very good. Glasnow has electric stuff but just now learning to control it. Still has some blips but made strides working out of the pen. He is only turning 25 in August. Meadows did very well in is short stint with the Bucs this year. He will get better and he also is only 23 now. Still waiting to see who the 3rd name is.
andrewgauldin
Confirmed, I am now a Rays fan.
pikeypike
Bucs gave up a lot . Tough pill to swallow if I were a fan
KermitJagger
Not really. Glasnow, while a decent pen arm, has been a disappointment. Meadows has raised his value but is no sure thing and our system is now stocked with OF. Im hoping we re-sign Dickerson anyways.
TJECK109
You haven’t been a fan when they sit and do nothing but sell pieces. Meadows started coming back to earth in the majors and wasn’t all that impressive in AAA. Glasnow has incredible stuff but inaccurate. This could be a win win for both teams
geejohnny
Not necessarily. I’m a Bucs and Rays fan so I’ve seen Archer at both ends. If he can ever slow down his heartbeat he can be filthy. Big if… but Glasnow and Meadows were promising but not guaranteed. Besides if Archer can find it the Bucs will have a valuable asset to trade later.
TJECK109
I’ll put my belief in Searage that he can work with Archer.
realgone2
Seems like the Pirates got hosed
dust44
Meadows will b a very good pick up for the Rays. He will b sold to the highest bidder in about 4 years tho.
EndinStealth
Wow. I have no horse in this race, but to me it looks like an over pay.
oldhaus
The two they should have traded in 2015 to Tampa for Zobrist.
hiflyer000
Two years ago this would have been a major blockbuster. Now it is just a swap over overhyped and overrated players and prospects.
jtkuch
Pending the 3rd piece (basically if it’s not another top 5-10 prospect) I’m completely fine with this deal as a Pirates fan. Meadows will likely be good but A) he was blocked at least until 2020 and B) aside from a good month when he was called up, he’s been kinda disappointing over the last 2-3 years, whether by performance or injuries. Glasnow still needs to make adjustments to even be a good reliever. Great move on both ends I’d say.
NuckBobFutting
Its a PTBNL
tylerall5
Just because they say it’s a PTBNL doesn’t mean it won’t be a good prospect. All thy means is that there’s a list of prospects that are still being discussed.
Y2KAK
Shane Baz is now a top prospect who looks really good
walls17
as a yankee fan i respect the hell out of the rays. they really are one of the best run organizations in all of baseball
snotrocket
It’s funny that their name is the Pirates, but they generally are the ones getting raped and pillaged.
TJECK109
Yet they are in the WC race. Hmm
TJECK109
23 yr old who came out hot and then fell off and has been average in AAA. Glasnow has the talent to pitch a solid inning. He’s either spot on or good for giving up 2 runs.
matt4baseball
As a Rays fan, Archer has extreme talent but is a media headcase. he thinks he’s an ace but he can’t close the deal. Maybe Searage can bring it out in him, Keep him with the kids and away from the spotlight.
BoJingles
Great trades by Tampa the last few days. Great value for an overrated Archer and they stole Tommy Pham
getzmancometh
Look at Tommy Pham’s #’s and tell me who is overrated
simschifan
Pirates are really going for third place this year eh
toddomatic
Maybe the Pirates can sign Daniel Hudson this offseason and trade him for Meadows.
Robertowannabe
LOL! Great post!!
marco 5
If Archer is so bad as many of you people are saying,then why was there so many teams after him.He must not be that bad, but I did not like Meadows being traded,as far as glasnow,good riddance
michaelw
Because of his control n age. He’s not bad but he’s no Sale or Mad Max or DeGrom. His ave ERA has be over 4 the last 4 seasons. His SO are up there though. But just like Sonny Gray hype pretty much no different. Archer a bit better.
diehardcubfan 2
Complete hosing by the Rays. Buca will regret giving up Meadows
firstbleed
Says the Cubs fan who got hosed for trading Archer+ for Garza. lmao
tomselleck
I love Archer, but that’s a lot to give up.
Remember92
Nesbitt, who broke the trade was just on the radio. He said the 3rd player will be a well known prospect and it’s going to sting. Not Keller or Hayes, but a known commodity.
KermitJagger
My guess is Newman or Kramer. Hopefully not Swaggerty.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
If it’s not Keller or Hayes, who is left to sting?
Meadows and Hearn are gone. Baz or Swaggerty would, I guess. Newman, only because he’s part of next year’s plan.
tigerbreak
Draft picks from the current year can’t be PTBNLs until after the World Series, so likely not Swaggerty. Maybe Cruz? Keller or Hayes would be an overpay, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
Time for the rubber to meet the road for Archer – is he All-Star Archer or mere mortal?
Remember92
I’m thinking it’s going to be Baz
hiflew
The good thing about this trade is that we can finally see if Archer is good or not. PNC Park is one of the best pitcher’s parks and Ray Searage is one of the best pitching coaches. If Archer is an ace, then he should be able to prove it in Pittsburgh. If he is not, then that should show too.
tiredolddude
I think he’s a good pitcher. I don’t think he’s an ace you build a staff around or a guy who will be big time in big games, that’s all. My initial reaction was negative—that they paid too much but a lot of solid points here make me see it a little better
oldhaus
This works for both teams now. Impossible to say who ‘won’ the trade. Too many variables need to shake out. Give it at least 2 years.
Robertowannabe
The one thing that I remember is AJ Burnett when the Pirates traded for him , the knock on him was his ERA and the home runs he gave up. I remember hearing that it was a product of pitching in that division against a lot of power/hitting teams.. He was great when he got to the NL Central. We shall see if the same thing happens when Archer arrives in the NL Central
letsgobucs
I’m more upset about giving up Taylor Hearn for Kela. Hearn has been lights out at AA this season and has electric stuff.
Pirates fans have been waiting for YEARS for the Bucs to pull a move like this. Glasnow – in my opinion – has a chance to be a future closer. With that said, he’s a head case. I hope he figures it out in Tampa. Meadows reminds me of a Mark Kotsay-type player. He’ll settle in as a .280-.290 hitter with 12-15 HRs per year, swipe 15-20 bags, and play solid defense. He won’t be a 30+ HR guy and he isn’t winning any batting titles. A quality player? Absolutely. Tampa did well. We already know that Hayes isn’t the 3rd player. So long as it isn’t Keller, Swaggerty, or Tucker – I’m a happy fan tonight.
KermitJagger
I’m happy too but do fear the 3rd is Swaggerty or Tucker. Maybe Baz?
Its amazing what a month can do.
24TheKid
It can’t be Swaggerty so don’t worry.
letsgobucs
I’m thinking its going to be a middle infielder, Newman or Kramer.
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I certainly hope not.They have been grooming these two to take over for Mercer and Harrison.The money that they save on not giving Jordy an offer and declining the option on JHay can go to an extension for Dickerson who they need to sign now.
schnoah
I pray it’s not Cruz
rc21pa
All I can say is I’m impressed.
Now sign Dickerson to a long-term deal during the off season and buy another starting pitcher and I would say they have a team to compete with.
might also sneak in a wild card this season. Should tell the players that at least the GM believes in them.
Just glad Huntington finally traded assets for players that help the current roster.
slider32
Bucs finally took a dip in the deep end of the pool, good move this might get them into the playoffs.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
After Hand was traded, the only two players I wanted the Pirates to give up significant assets for were Archer or Kela.
They got both.
Fun day.
Robertowannabe
Can’t wait to hear the Pgh talking heads spin this poorly for the Pirates 🙂 All I can think of is what Lou Brown said in Major League. Think the Bucs just fed the talking heads living to bash the Bucs a big ol S**t burger to eat. 🙂
panj341
Who gets bumped from rotation???
letsgobucs
I was talking to my dad about this earlier. Figure that Archer/Taillon/Williams/Musgrove are set 1-4. That leaves the 5th slot to Nova/Kuhl (when healthy) or Kingham. Kingham has options, but he’s also the one pitching best out of the three.
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Kingham has options only for this year.He takes Glasnow’s place next year as the long reliever.
Kuhl is the tough call.He is like Kingham,very good or very bad.
I think that they will eliminate this confusion by dealing Nova this off year.Remember that they also have Holmes in waiting.
I think that Taillon needs to take over as #1 at this point as this is his third year up and he has the pedigree.Archer is capable of giving you a strong #2.
ThatBallwasBryzzoed
Wow. The Rays sold low for Archer.
tonyinmunhall
Splash Move!!! The Pirates are all in for seasons to come. Kela also great add !!!!
Instant Ace!!
holecamels35
I, for one, and very happy the Pirates made this trade. Some complain about them holding onto their prospects for too long, others say they overpaid, can’t win no matter what they do. Not everyone is like the Dodgers and Red Sox and can flat out buy anyone they want and sustain a strong farm, they have to be creative.
Yes, Meadows may end up being very good, but it’s a risk they have to take. They’ve had OF depth for years and still do, why hold onto these guys forever? Glasnow will not be a successful starter, period. He has control issues and is prone to the longball. He’s looked decent at times this year but was used as a low leverage reliever, you can’t wait forever for a guy to break out.
While I would have loved to see these moves a few years ago when their window was wide open, they will have Archer for a few years and have a good shot at the wild card/division with St Louis clearly overhauling, and only the Cubs looking truly dominant, but they and the Brewers do have rotation issues.
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Huntingdon mentioned that they kept 12 of their top 15 prospects. Meadows and Hearn were two of the top 15. Glasnow graduated. That means that one of the PTBNL’s is a top 15 organizational guy (and we know that it’s not Keller or Hayes) and the other is not.
Using the list at FG that means that one of Baz, Tucker, Sanchez, Escobar, Reynolds, Newman, Jennings, Alemais, Kramer or Cruz was likely traded.
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I do not think Meadows is still considered a prospect,like Glasnow,so it seems that there will be two more lost.For what I know,I would be content with Escobar and Alemais.I think that with any of the others both of these deals become a little questionable.
I salute NH for going for it.I think that we all know that he had to beat out several teams for each of Kela and Archer.I am just not that enamored with Archer as I think that he tops out at a good no 2.I am also concerned with his workload over the years.Hopefully,Kela has put his troubles behind him.I think that NH loved the contractual control that he has over these two players.
On the good side,both Glasnow and Meadows seem to have plateaued in their development and may never be the superstars that the Pirates had hoped that they would be.They both had high ceilings and may still maintain them.The Rays pitching coaching staff in particular may get out of Glasnow what the Pirates have been looking for for two years.Meadows injuries have slowed his progress over the last two years.Maybe the coaching staff can accurately predict his ceiling based on the small sample that he had in MLB.Hearn is a wildcard with a high ceiling and a relatively lower floor.
Bottom line is you have to give up something to get something and both of these new pitchers have shown to be good,I was honestly hoping that they could get rid of some quantity over quality but the Rangers and Rays were too smart.Here’s hoping that the PTBNL’s will not turn out to be good ML players.
letsgobucs
I still think the 3rd man has to be a middle infielder. Newman or Kramer is my guess. Can’t see the Pirates including Tucker in this deal, unless they believe that Newman or Kramer is the long-term SS post-2018.
geejohnny
The Rays are full of infielders so I’m guessing that the PTBNL will be an outfielder….Reynolds?
jimmyz
I was thinking another pitcher considering the rays’ lack of reliable starters and seemingly desire to build a staff full of guys that can throw 3-5 innings every 3 days or so. Maybe Kingham, clay holmes types.
joew
I was thinking Kingham (former top 100 prospect btw) mostly because the team needs to make room in the rotation. I also thought Holmes as well for similar reason though not top prospect.. Clay isnt’ part of the rotation he has been a spot starter and while not great he did look promising.. he does allow too many people on, but they don’t score often and he rarely gives up a home run. He’s interesting. though if it is Clay.. it really wouldn’t sting much so i don’t think that fits the description.
Really though i think Kingham/Newman/Kramer is who it is. But maybe Baz. any of them would suck to let go but acceptable
tylerall5
If Kimgham was included that’s highway robbery. I’m hoping it’s Newman, they have Kramer ready and Tucker on the way up. I wouldn’t be surprised that they resign Jordy to a cheaper contract and have him start another year to be quite honest.
tylerall5
Plus Kingham doesn’t have prospect status either.
Carpenter338
Cruz, Lolo, Mitchell, Kramer, Newman, Martin, Holmes all playing as we speak. I would assume they are all safe. Altoona played early…
HarveyD82
glasnow sucks. you can give me all the stats and all the fwap, xwar, xbox acdc metrics to know he was a bust. basically buccos got dickerson and archer for meadows
just my opinion
Wow
Pirates are going all in
I give them credit
knolln
i think a glasnow trade is going to be regrettable. feels like the dbacks trading scherzer. obviously the pirates are actually trading for a good player, just think glasnow figures out how to be a #1..
66TheNumberOfTheBest
Traded for the best RP left on the market.
Traded for the best SP on the market.
Beat their biggest and most immediate rival.
Might have been the Pirates best day since Cueto dropped that ball.
Robertowannabe
The Bucs did what everyone says they should do and yet the talking heads still try to find ways to complain and their faithful followers are chiming in and still bashing the FO and ownership. Somehow, this is just a huge conspiracy for the pirates to trade prospects to get good players and they are fully intending on dumping those players for…….prospects.. All just to scam the public and get them to buy tickets. You can’t make this stuff up…..insane….
Black_Pearl
I’m having a hard time understanding the logic in these comments. Folks have dogging the Pirates for not doing anything, and now again for doing something.
The Cutch trade hurt the heart of many, but his production was declining and his #s this year are mediocre. We got what looks to be a great relief arm and a decent OF prospect and saved over $10m in payroll. Right now that’s a WIN
Cole has years of control but the price of that control was going to grow exponentially each year. He could cost more than Archer with less control. Add the fact that we’d never resign him because of Boras AND he didn’t want to be a Pirate any longer. The return, much like the Archer deal, can only truly be looked at 3-4 years from now when the players have time to develop. Moran is a rookie and appears to be a nice player so far, Musgrove is obviously not Cole but looks like a good pitcher, Martin needs time but looks fairly decent, Feliz looks bad maybe there’s something there or maybe he’ll stay terrible.
Archer can do many thing for this rotation. He’s still young and cost controlled and brings leadership. His ERA doesn’t sparkle like a few years ago but he’s leaving a division that has the best 2 offenses in baseball and every stadium is a band box. Milwaukee and Cincy aren’t much better in terms of launching pads but the other stadiums are more pitcher friendly than Toronto and Baltimore (did not fact check). Meadows is a nice player but Pitt has a load of 15-20 hr and 80 rbi outfielders, always have always will. Swaggerty is Meadows 2.0 and will be Mlb ready in 2-3 years. We may never know what Glasnow can do as a player but right now it’s not much. I don’t see Meadows or Glasnow as impactful players for the Pirates.
Robertowannabe
This is what I have been saying since the trades were made involving Cole and Cutch. Those trades made this trade possible in apparently the Rays insisted on Meadows. We do have guys exactly like him but in the low minors. The 2 trades provided 2 OF in Reynolds and Martin that may not be as high an upside as Meadows but they are close. The Bucs finally getting depth in just about all positions in the minors except for catcher. They can afford to trade a player from the MLB roster or from the minors because the are getting the depth to be able to replace most losses (due to trade or injury) from within. This is a good thing. This is how the Cardinals have done business for years.. You can’t make moves to improve for the now if you do not have the depth to recover from them if the move you made turns out to be a bad move. I understand why prospects were not moved much because they had not many they could afford to be without. Until now.
Mendoza Line 215
If this is true then it also means that their scouting and player development have clearly improved.They do seem to be producing better players but they still have trouble producing all star caliber or super stars.Some think that a team has to bottom out like the Astros did(on historic proportion) to consistently get the high draft picks but this really only benefits by the one very high draft pick as you are behind everyone else after that one pick.
athingortwo
Bucs got diamond for zirconiam me thinks! Arrrr!