The Orioles have announced a trade that will send right-handers Kevin Gausman and Darren O’Day to the Braves. In return, the Baltimore organization will pick up a group of minor-leaguers — corner infielder Jean Carlos Encarnacion, catcher Brett Cumberland, righty Evan Phillips, and lefty Bruce Zimmermann — along with $2.5MM of international bonus money.
In Gausman, the Braves land a starting pitcher they can control through the 2020 season. He’s earning $5.6MM this year and will be in line for raises via arbitration for the ensuing two campaigns.
Gausman, now 27, was drafted fourth overall by the Orioles out of Louisiana State back in 2012. He’s been a mainstay in the Orioles’ rotation since 2014, peaking with a 3.61 ERA in 30 starts in 2016. This year, he has a 4.43 ERA, 7.6 K/9, 2.3 BB/9, 1.52 HR/9, and 46.9% groundball rate in 124 innings. The longball has been an Achilles heel for Gausman, who has a 1.42 HR/9 over the last four seasons.
The upstart Braves are currently just a half game behind the Phillies in the NL East race, and sit the same distance from a Wild Card spot. They’ve got lefty Kolby Allard set to make his MLB debut in a spot start tonight against the Marlins. Otherwise, their rotation consists of Mike Foltynewicz, Sean Newcomb, Julio Teheran, Anibal Sanchez, and Max Fried. Brandon McCarthy and Mike Soroka are currently on the DL. It’s unclear at present who will be bumped from the rotation for Gausman.
For the Orioles, Gausman is the first non-rental piece they’ve dealt since committing to a full rebuild with the trade of Manny Machado to the Dodgers. He has since been followed out the door by Jonathan Schoop. Relievers Zach Britton and Brad Brach have been traded since then as well.
In addition to recouping some prospect capital, those swaps have offloaded a huge amount of cash from the balance sheet this year. The inclusion of O’Day in this particular swap surely influenced the remainder of the return, as he’s sidelined indefinitely with a serious hamstring injury. The veteran reliever is owed $9MM this year and next. That’s not to say he won’t have a chance at becoming a useful member of the Braves’ pen next season.
Of the young players moving in this deal, only Encarnacion (#14) and Cumberland (#30) cracked the most recent top-30 list of Braves prospects from MLB.com. The 23-year-old Phillips is the only one of the players who has seen the majors. He has struggled in four outings this year, but has had a strong showing at Triple-A, with a 1.99 ERA and 13.1 K/9 against 3.1 BB/9 over 40 2/3 innings.
Fancred’s Jon Heyman first reported the swap and international dollars (Twitter links), while Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic had the other aspects of the return (via Twitter).
Photo courtesy of USA Today Sports Images.
Oh no… hoping we didn’t give up too much.
Man, come on do you even look at team defensive stats? He will thrive with a good
infield defense behind him.
His defense cant help the ridiculous amount of HRs he gives up man. But good try
Leave that entire AL East and Gausman “should” welcome the NL East with no DH and bigger parks.
Gausman has allowed 16 of his 21 HR’s at 4 notorious hitters parks in Camden, Yankee Stadium, Fenway, and Rogers. Get him out of the AL East and no DH and he should improve. But good try.
did you happen to see the 8 IP 1 run, no walk & 8 k game last night? tried to tell you folks.
So let us revisit this trade. I know it is 4 games in but he has given up 1 home run over 4 games with the Braves after allowing 21 home runs over 21 games with the Orioles. Looking at advanced stats you have to consider that a lower Opponent AVG, OBP, SLG and BAbip contribute to fewer stressful situations and opposing lineups not making it back to their big hitters as frequently. Conversely it could just be that he isn’t in the AL East and has pitched against the Mets, Brewers, Marlins and Pirates so far but at this point we can’t really say either with much confidence I guess. The advanced stats certainly lead one to believe that he will have much better success in Atlanta than he did with that horrible Orioles defense behind him.
If you play the infield behind the fence lol
Moving out of Camden Yards can only help Gaus. He doesn’t fit our competitive window any longer. Hoping we snagged one or 2 of the Braves young arms
That’s the fans job lol
We better not have gave much
Not to be a Debbie downer but isn’t sun trust park just as hitter friendly of a park? Look at what happened to Julio Tehran after they moved there
I think it has leaned pitcher friendly and Tehran has just become bad. I may be wrong though
Actually if I’m not mistaken SunTrust is less offense friendly than most realize. I haven’t personally checked the stats, but last night the announcers said that SunTrust actually gave up fewer homeruns than had been hit year to date in Miami.
It’s still near league average, though the Left Field power alley seems to be a bit better than Turner Field. Point blank, Teheran has just been bad. It doesn’t seem to impact Folty, Newcomb, or Sanchez. Even the rooks coming up have been decent. That being said, maybe they are all impacted and those pitchers are just lights out better than Teheran these days.
Gausman played in the worst division in baseball for a pitcher. New York, Boston, and Toronto are all hitters parks, as well as his home field in Baltimore. On top of that, the lineups in that division are among the most power-laden in baseball. On top of that, he had a crap defense behind him (unlike Archer).
I think he actually stands a chance of being a very solid piece for the Braves. I feel better about him than Archer obviously, and partially because the asking price for Archer was apparently ‘ace’ level, which was flat out laughable. I may feel otherwise when I find out what the Braves gave up.
Yeah
Judging from his career splits, Gausman has actually fared pretty well in AL East parks (outside of Toronto). The same cannot be said for most of the rest of the MLB parks he has pitched at, including Nats park. Of course, these are smaller sample sizes, so perhaps familiarity breeds success?
Don’t worry, almost every pitcher who leaves the O’s magically becomes a superstar after they switch teams.
Chen would beg to differ.
Arrieta had two good years after leaving….not sure who else you may be thinking of….Erik Bedard?
Bedard’s best years were as an O
Hopefully change of scenery helps.
That’s what I’m talking about. WS rings for everyone.
That’s a lot of trades within the last 30 minutes
Awwwww yeah!!!!
Ugh. I’ll wait on the return but he doesn’t look to be a real upgrade.
Gausman gives up a lot of homers. Maybe a move to the NL will help that.
He also plays in Camden Yards
Yep. A stunning 56 of his 110 homeruns allowed have come at Camden Yards. Getting out of that stadium and division will make a huge difference. It shows up in his 3.13 ERA against non AL East teams this year.
So half his homeruns have come at home, and half on the road? What is stunning about that, its basically an even split.
lol.
56 homeruns in 70 home games is an incredible rate of bad. It’s 76 total when you add in Toronto, New York and Boston. All HR heavy parks and great lineups. He won’t be facing that situation in Atlanta.
because half of those homers came against 4 teams, the other half spread out among the rest… cmon mannnnnn
Yeah many of these commenters aren’t too bright, AUTiger7222.
Please tell me we traded Julio
I don’t mind the Braves taking a chance on Kevin Gausman and hoping to strike it rich with Jake Arrieta 2.0.
FIRE SALEEE!!!
nice, angelos is actually going to let his front office tear it down. finally.
I never thought I’d see the day.
Ugh. Check the numbers on Baseball Reference, his line is almost identical to Teheran.
Not Teheran. Teheran doesn’t give up many base runners. he just gets hit by the long ball. McCarthy compares better.
LSU fan?
Yes indeed
That’s also in the ALE though. He’ll be moving to a much better ballpark and easier division to pitch in. Plus he’ll get two automatic outs every game
Gausman also pitches in the AL East. A move to the NL will help his numbers.
I agree . If the price is low I’m fine with it
As a Brave fan, I feel my reaction to the trade will be somewhere in the range of “meh” to “why? WHY?!” when the details come out.
Why would the Braves trade for a mediocre controlled pitcher? Because he was cheap ? I thought they needed an “ace”. The only comparable pitcher on the Braves staff is Brandon McCarthy. No one else gives up as many runners as this guy.
The infield defense he had behind him in Baltimore was horrific. I believe his numbers will be much better in Atlanta.
… Maybe…… but will that stop the homeruns? Granted The Braves park is not like the Orioles park. Who knows.
So let us revisit this trade. I know it is 4 games in but he has given up 1 home run over 4 games with the Braves after allowing 21 home runs over 21 games with the Orioles. Looking at advanced stats you have to consider that a lower Opponent AVG, OBP, SLG and BAbip contribute to fewer stressful situations and opposing lineups not making it back to their big hitters as frequently. Conversely it could just be that he isn’t in the AL East and has pitched against the Mets, Brewers, Marlins and Pirates so far but at this point we can’t really say either with much confidence I guess. The advanced stats certainly lead one to believe that he will have much better success in Atlanta than he did with that horrible Orioles defense behind him.
It would be great if someone could point out what the Braves rank in the majors defensively. I know they’re pretty good, but I’m too lazy to look it up. Any takers?
I think I saw they were like 5th in defensive runs saved.
Gausmans FIP is very close to his career ERA and this year his FIP is a smidge worse than ERA. Now, FIP isn’t the magic statistic, but it suggests defense has not been his problem. If anything he’s been slightly helped by defense this year.
Merry Christmas braves country! Bet its touissant, and Peterson plus intl draft money for gausman. Of course I’m only kidding. Hope we didn’t give up any top 100 prospects
You don’t give up Touki Touki for this. Maybe Archer, maybe. Not this.
We better not have traded a top 100 for him or even a top 15 in our organization or I’ll lose it
Thinking maybe a Wentz or Beck. Hopefully the latter or even lower prospect.
Wentz would be an extreme over pay
I wouldn’t say extreme, but yes that’s more than I’d want to spend. Like you said, I’m hoping nothing more than a top 15 guy. Assuming it’s a SP going back. We shall see.
I say not extreme because he is controllable until 2020. If he were a rental he wouldn’t be worth even a top 30 guy in our system.
I’m certain you did give up a top 15 prospect. Wentz makes sense.
No wentz doesn’t make sense. Lol
I’ll lose it if they didn’t give up a top 100 prospect because hes easily worth one. You are going to love having the Gas Man take the hill every fifth day.
O’s weren’t going to give him away. They’ll get good value.
You’re not getting him for a prospect barely in your top 30. The Braves have a glut of prospect arms. Gausman out of the ALE and working with a new pitching coach could be a very good thing. I’d be floored if the headliner wasn’t at least as valuable as Wentz. I could see Fried or Gohara as possibilities we got back here as well. We’ll see shortly.
I think one of fried/gohara would be my best guess. Plus another prospect or two outside of top 25.
And if that’s the case I wouldn’t be mad if I were a Braves fan. Chris Archer has the name appeal but Gausman could easily take a step forward in the NL w a new pitching coach. Regardless he will help you a lot more than Fried or Gohara would this year. Orioles obviously need guys for the long term.
Congrats you stole Gausman.
They are all lottery tickets for sure but FWIW, Encarnacion and Zimmerman were quickly on the rise to top prospect status. Both are favorites among lots of Braves bloggers that follow the minors. I think in the long run the O’s might come out ahead here.
Encarnacion is a 6-foot-3 3B and No. 14 in Braves organization. Gausman is trash.
6″3 eh? Ryan Flaherty is also 6″3 so tell me what good that does?
Zimmerman is local. I’m sure the O’s are familiar with him. Encarnacion has upside but a lot of holes in his game right now. I don’t mind receiving either one but I would’ve liked to not include O’day and received something stronger. We shouldn’t be minimizing our returns to save a little bit of money.
Zimmerman has made major strides this year and could definitely develop into a mid rotation piece in a few seasons.
Phillips has dominated out of the bullpen in AAA.
Encarnacion has the chance to become an everyday thirdbaseman with power, but needs to walk more frequently.
Cumberland has the potential to have a nice power bat and decent OPS, but is almost assuredly a future DH candidate.
I like this trade from both teams’ point of views.
Zimmerman looked good in A ball but he’s walking 6 per 9 in 28 innings in AA. He’s 23 years old so that’s more of the comp he should be competing against. Encarnacion is raw and has some upside but he has a laundry list of holes in his game right now. Cumberland as a DH is thoroughly unexciting. The 2.5 MM is no small sum though.Phillips also looks pretty good in AAA and if you don’t look at last season
Please don’t give up too much for him
Hopefully they traded teheran back to them since numbers are so silimar
I predict next headline to be: Deal on hold due to Orioles concerns over medicals
That joke has run its course
Not until it stops happening. And it did earlier this month.
How bold.
See ya viscaino
In the words of Jamie ftom Progressive, we have our new #1 3rd man
No, the infield defense doesn’t give up home runs. A pitcher who thinks he can throw a 97 down the middle does. Besides, he was always spitting big ugliest when the camera had a closeup.
If we get a top 100 prospect out of this I’m thrilled.
Very underrated pitcher which Braves fans will see. He’s a much better pitcher in the 2nd half and being out of the AL East and tiny ballparks can only help. I hope the O’s got a return equal to or better than Sonny Gray because they are close to same pitcher.
Good call Gorav, Gausman has been fantastic so far as a Brave just like you predicted!
Thanks for noticing Gorav!
Your welcome. Nice avatar btw
Thanks man
Braves got Brach and gausman, both of whom I wouldn’t feel that great about. Brach was great the past few seasons but hasn’t been the same this year, and gausman shows flashes of greatness but has a lot of starts where he gets hit hard. Hope the best for both of them. I could see gausman being better with a change of scenery and different coaching. Orioles can’t seem to develop any starting pitchers.
It’s possible that Braves management and coaching staff knows something we don’t and this guy is really better than his stats.
I think Atlanta’s BP has needed another arm or two, some leadership and experience, but w/ out going all out to mortgage the future, ie: chapman style trade.
A piece here or there adds up. It isn’t the flash in the pan fans want, but that’s why we’re fans, and not working for the Braves front office.
But fans are often not stupid and can make very good observations. I’m not all that excited about this Brach trade but I guess he can’t be any worse than Moylan who I hope they finally dump or at least stop using so much. I like Venters but man he is just one bad pitch away from losing his arm again. Hope he holds out. So far he is a huge upgrade over Freeman. Some fans are saying that Kevin Gausman could be very good for Atlanta. Very talented and can thrive in our system especially with better coaching and a better infield.
To me though Atlanta had an excellent trade deadline. AA had said that he didn’t want to mortgage the future by dealing top prospects but that he wanted to add a starter, get bullpen help, and get a bat.
They actually did ALL that and didn’t really deal any major prospects away, but dealt international money and excess.
I can’t predict that everyone will perform well enough that the Braves make the playoffs, but I can certainly say the Braves improved their team AND didn’t give away the farm.
Very well stated, southi. I agree.
I’m impressed with this deadline. No top prospects traded and we get what we needed.
Amen
And Schoop?
Heard Teheran is the headliner
Full disclosure: WAH1447 is deaf.
Fire Dan Duquette after this fire sale is complete. He is incompetent and needs to go.
He’s finally allowed to do this fire sale. You’re angry at the wrong man.
I’m more inclined to extend his contract.
I don’t think it matters, O’day’s inclusion in this deal feels like a move from Angelos. As long as we take smaller prospect returns for a couple million dollars we are always going to be in a bad spot. There’s no reason we didn’t keep O’day and grab an additional or better prospect. Ridiculous.
Yes I’m actually pretty happy with the job Dan has done this month now that he’s no longer handcuffed by ownership, i’d be glad if they extended his contract.
Infuriating. The Braves had a chance to acquire an actual difference-maker in Archer, who was affordable and had three years of control. Instead, they got a mediocre middle-of-the-rotation guy who will have no positive impact on the Braves in 2018 or beyond.
Not at all sure Archer’s a better pitcher than Gausman.
Seamaholic, you can’t be serious.
Well, just about any advanced statistic is in Chris Archer’s favor over the last 4-5 years or so when contrasting the two (& often considerably so), so there’s that. That’s not necessarily predictive, but still.
The pirates gave up a haul not worth it
Yes, he was worth it.
That would have been Touki, pache, waters, +. No thanks.
Archer feels like Teheran 2.0 to me
That’s probably a fun thing to say but yet it makes no sense at all.
From what the Pirates reportedly gave up the cost to acquire Archer was far too high. Very glad the Braves didn’t win the trade battle.
Archer has three years of control at an affordable rate. I doubt the Rays were asking for Acuńa, so it would have been worth it, even if it was Allard.
Meadows, Glasnow and a third player is a high price to pay. Especially for Archer.
You truly do not understand the worth of a prospect like Allard.
I haven’t seen what the Pirates gave up for Archer yet but I promise you it would’ve taken a lot more than Allard to get him. A lot more…
The Rays got Glasnow and Meadows. Plus a significant 3rd piece. Allard would’ve only been the beginning of the package.
RBI, I truly understand that in order to get something, you have to give up something. It’s not like Archer is a rental. He has three years left on his deal. And who knows how good Allard is. Archer was needed for a serious playoff push. Gausman won’t have a positive impact.
I actually hope it’s Teheran. Moving to the AL East, which he has a history of getting shelled in, will only make him even worse then he already is.
It’s not Teheran buddy. There’s zero logic behind that.
Unsure what was given up but Gas Man gonna thrive in the ATL….i think brave fan is going to come around on this one and he is going to be a solid top of rotation fixture on the next few championship runs!
I can only hope you are right.
“he is going to be a solid top of rotation fixture on the next few championship runs!”
No he’s not. Mediocrity does not breed championships.
Are you (Atlanta Braves) a grumpy old man or just a troll? Because you surely are not a baseball talent evaluator.
Not sure what qualifications you think that you have to make you some kind of expert. Gausman is trash, so deal with it. He’s not going to magically become awesome just because you want him to.
Either Teheran is gone or another big trade is going to be pulled off to clear up rotation space
Not sure, I read something about them going w/ a 6 man style rotation w/ out actually having to based on days off, and options for sending down Fried and Allard.
I think it was Dave O’Brien today, not sure though.
They don’t have any real “off days”! They play 31 games in the next 31 days!
The 6 man rotation was because they could use Fried, Allard, Gohara, and Touki in spot starts to give Newk, Folty, Sanchez, and Teheran extra rest.
Um…Fried was traded for Duvall.
Sims and Wisler, pal. Sims and Wisler.
No, Lucas Sims, Matt Wisler and Preston Tucker were traded for Duvall
Whoops, got my overrated Braves farm arms mixed up. Though some of them are probably good (i.e. Allard, Toussant.)
Gausman is a known entity to Anthopoulos and should thrive away from the AL East ballparks. I have seen him pitch numerous times and he has serious talent. Just needs the right environment and coaching to bloom.
Dear Gausman, packed up and drove to Aspin. sorry about the $.
Lloyd and Harry.
Alright I’m currently watching the miserable dumb and dumber sequel on tv. That tripped me out.
Oh no! Dumb and Dumberer?
Who on earth will even pitch for Baltimore now?
Who ever the Braves send there.
Cashner, Cobb, Bundy…………………..who cares we want to lose a lot. On a serious note, Yefry Ramirez has done alright and might be a backend starter for the future. I’m sure Castro, Hess, and the like will take turns out of the 5 hole unless the return is Gohara or Fried.
Certainly not 2-14 and 6.08 ERA Cobb. Horrible signing.
Cobb will 100% be starting. All four years of his contract in Baltimore if he doesn’t turn it around and build up some salvage value. That’s how the O’s operate. We’re going to suck anyway, he should be starting until he’s blocking a serious rotation candidate. He certainly is not at this point.
Oh please. Get over yourselves Braves fans. The orioles absolutely netted a top 100 Pick for him otherwise this trade would not have occurred. He still has ace potential.
Yes he gives up the long ball: BUT HE PITCHES IN CAMDEN YARDS IN THE AL EAST
Tweets say Cumberland is the headliner, and he’s not a top 100.
hahahahahah
yeah…no. Though I guess if you have a crystal ball maybe Encarnacion might be one in a few years…
Guess you were wrong, no top 100 involved.
I’m wrong. But O’Day is a salary dump. So I’m not completely wrong. There is value in that
Well the Braves didn’t give up a top 100 prospect! So I guess it did happen without it!
However Encarnacion could be headed to a top 100 spot!
Who cares if it wasn’t a top 100 MLB prospect? They had to give up their No. 14 prospect, a 6-foot-3 third basement who just turned 20 and will probably be a stud. Gausman wasn’t worth that, because he’s mediocre at best.
I guess the people responding to the guy who said it absolutely netted a top 100 spec and was wrong???
Because he’s 6”3?
… Except that looking at his home and away stats it appears that homeruns given up over his career is about even and maybe even leaning slightly towards away. His ERA is actually higher on the road overall.
No, the Braves did NOT trade a top 100 prospect to get Gausman, and Braves also get bullpen depth in O’Day.
Way to go Braves!
I hate to Cumberland traded, but the return is good.
O’day isn’t pitching again this season.
There is always next season, and he’s still under contract. Hopefully he recovers well.
Again nobody knew O’Day, arguably Os worst contract other than Davis ,would be included. There is value in that salary dump
Braves gave up 3 prospects for Gusman
hopefully that means quantity over quality
Four. Four too many.
The kind of move the Braves would make…cheap and non impactful. He will join Maholm, Colon, Dickey, Garcia, McCarthy and others i probably forgot, on a list of acquisitions by the Braves throughout the years to improve the rotation.. Winning or losing, same direction!
Gausman is only 27 and has spent his career pitching in the brutal ALE. Don’t throw him in the trash yet.
Yeah, wait for him to be mediocre for the Braves. Then throw him in the trash.
Is Gausman like your deadbeat dad or something? Your over the top railing against him would make trolls cringe.
I’m upset they settled for trash when Archer was right there.
Gausman is trash? But Archer is worthy of sending even higher rated prospects?
Cumberland, Phillips, Zimmerman and Encarnacion given up from Braves per Mark Bowman
Encarnacion, Cumberland, Phillips, and Zimmerman to Os for Gausman and O’Day
Via Orioles twitter: The Orioles have acquired RHP Evan Phillips, INF Jean Carlos Encarnación, C Brett Cumberland, LHP Bruce Zimmerman, and International Signing Bonus Slot Money from the Atlanta Braves in exchange for RHPs Kevin Gausman and Darren O’Day.
Trade O’day’s money to lighten the return. Typical O’s move. Just when youthink we’re moving in the right direction
Braves just stole Gausman
Gausman isn’t that good. He’s got a big arm but major HR issues and is apparently really stubborn and hard to coach. With the Braves young arms, there’s a real chance Gausman isn’t even in the rotation as early as next year.
Seamaholic, you just wrote somewhere else on this thread that Gausman is better than Archer. No one should listen to anything you say.
lol, whatever.
Braves also getting O’day
Best player in that package is Encarnacion and O’Day comes along with Gausman. AA made a good one here I think
He did. But, I feel like Cumberland is the best player going back. Zimmerman has a lot of potential as well.
5 years from now, Encarnacion will be all that’s remembered from this trade.
Exactly. Trading Encarnacion was a big mistake.
Encarnacion is as raw of a player as they come. He may be a worthwhile player but that’s a huge IF. I wouldn’t cry over that.
Not bad. Didn’t give up anything real serious.
Didn’t get anything real serious.
That a boy AA!
Phillips could eventually replace the Brach role
Jean Carlos Encarnacion. Sounds like a mix of two of the most powerful hitters in baseball.
Braves receive
-Kevin Gausmann
– Darren O’Day
Orioles receive
-RHP Evan Phillips (NR)
-INF Juan Carlos Encarnacion (14)
-C Brett Cumberland (30)
-LHP Bruce Zimmerman (NR)
-INTL Signing Bonus Slot Money
2 kids from Danville one from A+ Florida and triple A kid with some international money. Not bad at all AA. Good luck for a starter who was Baltimore’s ace.
Baltimore’s ace? Yeah, OK. Even if he was the O’s ace (he wasn’t), being the “best” of the WORST won’t help a team trying to get to the postseason.
God we gave up a lot. Good for the O’s. I definitely think it’s ok for the braves also. although Juan has been climbing up the prospect ranks pretty quick. Fair all around
People need to relax bashing Teheren – his numbers arent that bad – he needs to cut down on walks but hits to innings pitched is good as are the strikeouts. His numbers are better than Guasman actually.
Braves fans just aren’t ever happy, that’s all. Their FB group is terrible. Pitcher gives up a hit or a walk, “trade him, he sucks” type crap.
FB group was so bad and the idiots were so clueless that I just left. completely months ago.
Tehran is toast. I don’t want him or Gausman anywhere near the Braves’ future plans. Those two will keep the Braves out of the postseason this year.
I’m sure you said the same thing about Anibal.
Clueless post. Tehran has pitched shutouts into the 7th inning 3 times in last 6 games. Lst night was not his best stuff but he scratched 5 and had a huge hit. Put the Braves in a position to win. On pace for 13 or so wins.. I bet AB has never even heard of Brach or Gas before today.
THIRTEEN WINS OH WOW GIVE HIM THE CY YOUNG
Teheran has a 4.46 ERA/5.33 .FIP Gaus in the ALE 4.43/4.58 FIP If I am a betting man I will choose Gausman.
That’s what I said. It’s not a fair comparison. Teheran is nothing like Gausman. If anything McCarthy is the perfect comparison: High WHIP, ERA in the 4+ range, gives up too many hits, has quite a few home runs (gave up 15 homeruns which is about the same rate). It just that no one is frustrated with McCarthy because hasn’t been around long enough.
Wait the Os have now twice traded FOR international signing pool money? What is going on!?!
It’s almost as if the Orioles are rebuilding or something.
The only one that hurts a bit is Cumberland imo. Encarnacion has potential and is a good athlete rising up braves prospects list, but has a long swing and can’t draw a walk. He also doesn’t seem to be that great in the field.
O’Day was a nice addition to the deal too.
O’Day is out for the season and was a salary dump. Yeah, what a great addition.
You realize he is under contract until 2020 right? Braves need bullpen help beyond this year, and this gives them that.
O’day didn’t add any value to the deal he’s owed over 10 million for the rest of this year and next season. He could be a potential piece but you’re paying for it.
I disagree. Taking on O’Day’s contract added value because it most likely lessened the package the Braves needed to give up. Like I said, Cumberland was the only prospect that really hurts imo. Without taking on O’Day, I do not think that package gets Gausman. Anything positive O’Day does next year is just icing on the cake.
Not sure O’Day will ever throw a pitch in Atlanta, We know he won’t in 2018 and who knows what the Braves will look like come March of 19
I can’t imagine why the Braves wouldn’t give him a chance. His numbers are pretty good virtually his entire career.
$2.5 mil in international money plus taking on O’days money! Smh
International money is of little use to the Braves as MLB has limited their ability to spend it.
I get the pool money just not the O’day contract.
This trade is awful!!!! How could the O’s not get 1 of the 6 pitching prospects currently ranked in the MLB Pipeline top 100? Gausman is 27, under control for two more seasons with arbitration, and with our luck, he will be the next Arrieta.
LOL, at the one guy who swore BAL would get a top 100 back for him, or else it wouldn’t have been done by BAL.
Good for Barves now but Baltimore may get the best of this deal eventually. The additions AA has acquired may keep the Braves in the race…… may.?
Kick Teheran to the bullpen now as the long man and let the kids pick up the end of the rotation. We’ll see who sticks. Gausman should benefit from moving to NL. All the deadline moves improve the team at very low cost.
This will not work out for the Braves unless Gausman takes a huge step forward.
He’s a league average starter, who is already in his arbitration years. His salary could jump the next 2 years, and really not be worth the price. He needs to improve to be worth it. Otherwise, we just traded for a Teheran replica. Basically an unreliable arm that makes you cringe when you think about starting him in important games. Not someone you want to be counting on in a playoff race.
He may throw the occasional gem against the Padres or Marlins in May or June… but what’s he going to do against the Phils or Dodgers when you need to win a game in September??
Phillips is great, Encarnacion has potential, Zimmerman looks to be making strides… and O’Day’s contract eats up a huge chunk of the salary AA freed up in the Dodgers Kemp trade… basically nullifies half of the FA money we were supposed to have gained for this offseason.
This trade should not make braves fans happy. Not unless Gausman takes a huge step forward. I wouldn’t hold your breath. He’s a 2 pitch starter, who gets barreled up a lot. As most 2 pitch starters generally do. odds are he’ll be a $10m bullpen arm by the end of his arbitration years.
But… I guess we can hope he turns into an Arrieta to the Cubs type reclamation project…
He’s a league average starter in the ALE. Put him in the NLE and he’ll improve. I didn’t realize you were such a professional talent scout though.
Who knows maybe the better fielding Braves will help plus SunTrust is a below average homerun park which might hold some of his flyballs he gives up.
I’m tired of the argument on this thread that Gausman is trash simply because he pitched in the AL East, as if the NL East is made up of amateurs. He’s not going to magically become awesome just because naive Braves fans want to make the playoffs.
Gausman is trash and dougboyce46 laid it out perfectly for you wishful thinkers.
yes and dougboyce also said the 9 mil due to O’Day eats up half of the FA money freed up for 2019 from the Kemp deal. Adrian Gonzalez is getting 22 mil, Scott Kazmir 16 mil and Brandon McCarthy 11.5. I’m no math wizard, but it seems a bit off.
Winalotta?
9 million barely puts a dent in our F.A. pool for next year. Also, we acquired a good RP for next year. So, let that money go towards what it’s there for..next year.
Also, everything you said about Gausman is so extreme it’s laughable. Not even gonna try and argue that.
I just think we can forget about O’Day being a valuable piece here. He was a salary dump / value balancer. That is the only value he provided to us, making the trade cheaper.
Athletes that have this type of surgery only return to the sport at all about 75% of the time. 25% of the time they never return to the sport. 6-12 month recovery from surgery he just had weeks ago. He’s also in his late 30’s and even without the major surgery, probably didn’t have much left in the gas tank.
I’d say the chances of him returning to the major leagues at all are about 40-50%. The chances of him being actually useful in 2019 about 20-25%. The chances of him providing surplus value beyond the remainder of $9 million this season plus $9 million in 2019, is probably less than 1%. Literally would have been better off signing a replacement player on a minimum salary, therefore, not sure he should be considered an asset at this point.
Great trade, but even if you’re a Braves fan, should look at it objectively.
so 35 is late 30’s? Former Brave Charlie Morton had the same surgery at his age 32 season and went on to pitch some of his best ball afterwards. At that point, Morton as a SP had nearly twice the innings pitched in his career as O’Day who’s been a reliever his entire career, so I don’t know about the claim of O’Day not having much left in the tank. I’m not saying he’s going to come back from the injury and post his best numbers to date, I don’t know that, but I also don’t know that he won’t and neither do you.
‘Evans is great’ That actually made me laugh out loud! So funny that I had to spell it out.
I guess he didnt see any of his appearances in the bigs, only AAA.
And so ends the saga of Kevin “The Next Roger Clemens” Gausman.
Thanks for contributing.
Low Key Jean Carlos Encarnacion could be one of the best prospects traded this deadline in the future. Good move to acquire him. As his stock will only keep going up.
$2.5 million in this trade. Another $1.75 million in other trades. The O’s now have the most J2 money available of any team. For a team that had not taken a single player in years that is interesting.
Hey Atlanta Barves, You sure think you know a hell of a lot about baseball so please submit your resume to:
Atlanta Braves
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If you’re the recruiter than the Braves are in worse shape than anyone could imagine.
realgone2, you talk a lot of trash to me — because you’re mad that I’m right and you’re wrong — but you bring no insight or substance to the table.
Well, my fellow Braves fans..I guess this is our big move. Anyone else feel a little underwhelmed.
I do hold out a line of hope for Gaussmen. Not because he is moving from the ALE to the NLE. I have hope because he was once regarded a top pitching talent. Maybe the Braves can find that in him. This is definitely a win for him. He will go from one of the worst teams at developing pitchers to one of the best.
That line of hope is really more for the future though. I don’t think the Braves are going to find his inner ace in a few days. For the moment Braves fans have to regard him as nothing better than a no.4 in the rotation.
Meanwhile the Phillies made real improvements to their line up. They’ve added run production to back up a really good rotation. This is baseball so anything can happen. I like the Braves core better than the Phillies so maybe they’ll suddenly realize all their potential tonight but that seems just a tad to optimistic.
Gausman should do well in the NL east, O’day is solid when healthy… best part of this trade from an Os fan is the 2.5 mil in international money, looks like they finally gonna use it , Peter Angelos must be in a coma, fortunately his sons seem to have some sense lol… good luck Braves
The Athletic graded the Braves’ trade deadline moves as a C-plus. I give them an F-minus.
not the brightest fan are ya? bet you still use batting avg and ERA!
I’m bright enough to know the Braves won’t make the postseason this year.
I’d like to come here now that Gausman has pitched for the Braves to remind you all that Gausman is not a good pitcher.
I’d like to come here now that Gausman has pitched for ONLY THE 2ND TIME for the Braves to remind you all to please give him a chance before labeling “not good”