3:24pm: Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic tweets that the Nationals are indeed taking offers on impending free-agent relievers such as Herrera, Madson and Kelley. However, Rosenthal adds that Washington is trying to pry more away from rival teams than it gave up to acquire Herrera in the first place, seeking top-tier prospects in return.
Passan, meanwhile, tweets that he’s heard even further since writing this morning’s column that the Nationals’ clubhouse is a growing problem, and organizational confidence in Martinez has faded. Nationals ownership has been notoriously fickle with its managerial preferences, and the reported discord between Martinez and higher-ups is merely the latest data point in that bizarre trend.
Beyond all that, Janes now reports (via Twitter) that the Nationals and Marlins have held “extensive” negotiations regarding Realmuto in recent days, but Washington still deems the price tag to be too high. At the same time, they’re also listening to offers on rental players whose subtraction would help to reduce payroll, she adds.
1:27pm: The 52-53 Nationals have emerged as one of the most interesting teams to watch with just under 26 hours remaining before the non-waiver trade deadline. The presumptive NL East favorites sit six games back in a divisional race that has seen them outplayed by the upstart Phillies and Braves to this point in the season.
It was reported late last week that the Nats were preparing for the possibility of selling some veteran pieces in the event that their four-game set against the Marlins didn’t go well. Washington took the first two games of that series, only to see Miami rally and salvage a 2-2 split. The Nats have actually made up a game in the standings since the time of that report, but the talk of a potential sale persists.
For instance, Yahoo’s Jeff Passan kicks off his weekly 10 Degrees column with a lengthy, fascinating exploration of the apparent disarray in the clubhouse of a Nationals team that has underperformed in a transitional year both in terms of on-field management (where rookie skipper Dave Martinez replaced veteran Dusty Baker) and in terms of ownership (after owner Ted Lerner ceded control of the organization to his son, Mark). One source bluntly told Passan that the Nats’ clubhouse “is a mess,” and three others backed that sentiment. The details are well worth a full read-through for anyone, though Nats fans in particular should take a look.
Broadly speaking, Passan goes on to suggest that the Nationals had hoped to win three of four games in the series they split with Miami this weekend, and though the one-game difference may not prove to be pivotal, ownership will be involved as the club weighs potential trades of short-term veterans. There’ll be a substantial swath of names for decision-makers to consider, with Kelvin Herrera, Ryan Madson, Shawn Kelley, Gio Gonzalez, Mark Reynolds, Matt Adams, Daniel Murphy, Brandon Kintzler and Jeremy Hellickson all serving as potential free agents.
The Nationals have not, to this point, given any real consideration to trading Bryce Harper, Passan adds, which aligns with last week’s comments from Mike Rizzo to the New York Post’s Joel Sherman, in which the general manager suggested that it’d take “something extreme” in order to consider trading Harper. Heyman, meanwhile, tweets that rival teams believe there’s virtually no chance the Nats will consider moving Harper, whom they hope to retain long-term.
Heyman adds, though, that other clubs expect the Nats to “investigate” possible trades of Herrera, Madson, Kelley and Of course, with so many relievers available on the market, it’s worth wondering just how much the Nationals could even extract for the majority of those bullpen rentals.
Given the sheer volume of rental players the Nationals could potentially peddle to other clubs, it’s also unlikely that there’d even be time to orchestrate an all-out sale. To that end, Chelsea Janes of the Washington Post tweeted even after yesterday’s loss that she’d still be “stunned to see a major fire sale.” USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets that other teams expect the Nationals to largely stay the course, perhaps preferring to try to pass some players through waivers next month. It’s possible that some smaller-scale moves will come together, but it hardly seems that the Washington front office is prepared for any type of significant tear-down.
In fact, it seems it’s not yet entirely out of the question that the Nats would make a significant addition. Heyman tweets that they haven’t completely closed the door on a late push for Marlins star J.T. Realmuto. More interestingly, he suggests that the Nationals would at least consider parting with prized outfield prospect Victor Robles or top shortstop prospect Carter Kieboom, but the Marlins have been pushing for both to be included in a deal (as MLB.com’s Joe Frisaro reported Saturday). Whatever talks have taken place have not been serious enough that anything has been brought to Marlins ownership, tweets Craig Mish of SiriusXM.
Though this isn’t any real indication that a Realmuto deal has a legitimate chance of coming to fruition, Josh Norris of Baseball America tweeted last night that Miami had vice president of player development and scouting Gary Denbo in Durham, where Robles and the rest of the Nationals’ Triple-A club squared off against the Rays’ top affiliate. As ever, it’s probably best not to read too much into one specific scouting assignment, but the timing of the two reports is of at least some note.
Suffice it to say, the Nats seem to have a number of avenues they can explore. While trading short-term veterans and acquiring a big-name player such as Realmuto would seemingly run counter to one another, the two ideas could coexist. Adding Realmuto would give the Nationals a boost for two years beyond the current season, as he’s controllable through 2020. Trading some veteran rentals, meanwhile, would modestly supplement the farm while saving some money that could be put toward adding to a core of Max Scherzer, Trea Turner, Juan Soto, Adam Eaton, etc. this coming offseason. With just over a day to make so many crucial decisions, the Nats will be at the center of much of the intrigue surrounding the 2018 deadline.
thesheriffisnear
Was A-Rod the source that reported that the Nats clubhouse situation is a mess? He seems to know everything about teams’ clubhouse vibes
Mattimeo09
Shouldn’t have fired Dusty.
He might have made some mistakes in the playoffs but at least they were able to get to the playoffs.
Solaris601
I’ve always liked Dave Martinez as a player and a bench coach, but watching Nats games this year and the look of indecision on his face is unsettling. The expression on his face screams, “What should I do? What should I do?”
Mattimeo09
Agreed. Not trying to knock Martinez too much. It just seems like the Nats management jumped the gun after Dusty managed back-to-back division winners.
Mjm117
Rizzo won’t give up both SS Keiboom and Robles + more to the Fish for Realmuto. Fish rightfully demanding a tremendous haul from a division rival for, and most importantly, the Face of the Franchise and arguably best C in baseball.
JT staying put and hopefully for the long haul.
baseball1600
Trade Harper. No one else has value, considering that the FO still considers Strasburg and Scherzer untouchable. If the FO was smart they would have packaged Harper with Doolittle before CLE got hand and could have got some serious prospects, probably Mejia and a mid tier.
Braveslifer
As good as Harper is, I often wonder if he a cancer in the clubhouse?
jayfaraday
I really wouldn’t be surprised if he is. He definitely comes off that way.
anthonyd4412
Papelbon got all the blame and Mr Overrated was pitied by the press. I never understood that one. I’d deal his .217 average in a heartbeat and get something good in return
BravesCanada
I hated Papelbon previous to that (as I do most former Phillies and gNats players), but after the choking I loved him.
mdbaseball05
You really don’t understand how Papelbon got all of the heat for that incident? Harper was putting up MVP numbers, popped out and was mad about it, and Paps got on him for not hustling to which Harper said something along the lines of “are you kidding me?”. Then Paps decided to choke him out.
Papelbon has always been that kinda guy. Probably why no one signed him after a pretty good season.
sportznut1000
yeah anthony dont be an idiot. you know exactly why papelbon got all the heat. wasnt that the same season he threw a fit about not pitching unless he was the closer. papelbon was the cancer. i know this thread was starting to pile on harper but you went a little far. you cant be that ignorant
jdgoat
I feel like something would’ve came out by now and the Nats wouldn’t want to resign him if he was a clubhouse cancer.
Solaris601
Not necessarily. Harper is baseball’s poster boy. Neither MLB or the Nats would want that rumor circulating.
jdgoat
Still, that would be something hard to contain. It would take one person in that clubhouse in the past 6 years to anonymously say something to a reporter and it would’ve blown up. There’s really no reason to believe that he’s a “clubhouse cancer”.
Matt Galvin
A Nat will be Trade before Deadline and we will have some deals today.
ChrisEnvy76
Way to step out on a limb
slowcurve
More like twig
amjr
amjr
Lol
spudchukar
I wonder if the Cards would entertain the thought of re-acquiring Matt Adams especially if they move Martinez. They could do worse.
ChrisEnvy76
The Cardinals should be selling right now, not buying.
Matt Galvin
Your right with Nats,Giants,Reds,Tigers to.
JUNWA6
There’s no way we will be sellers we heading to the playoff I guarantee it
justinept
There’s no bigger “me first” guy in all baseball than Bobby Valentine. He’s a selfish, arrogant pr**k.
justinept
Well that was a response to a post way down the board. No idea how it ended up here.
JJB
And now they have to deal with fallout from Trea Turner’s racist tweets from a few years ago.
juicemane
And people wonder why AJ traded him…
marinest21 2
The padres traded for the contract of Héctor Olivera in the Matt kemp deal. In other words, they had no issue with paying the contract of a player convicted of domestic violence.
Relatedly, they did not deal turner because of his tweets. You’re simply cherrypicking your arguments based on facts that weren’t realized until three years after the trade itself.
thesheriffisnear
Yes, I’m sure he knew of these tweets from when he was in high school and that he traded him because of them.
fakewatches014
Which tweet was racist? The Terry Crews quote?
natsgm
He probably didnt read the tweets himself. Just repeating what others are telling him to think about the tweets.
ChrisEnvy76
They really SHOULD do a fire sale. I’d trade any and all the players I could get value for and have the ability to trade. What they have isn’t working… If they were capable of trading many of the players they have, they could stockpile an insane amount of top prospects and some young and MLB ready talent. I would keep Trey Turner and trade anyone else I could. Scherzer alone could nab you an ungodly amount of talent, same with Harper and several other players. I assume Scherzer has a no-trade clause in his contract, but I bet at this point he’d wave it.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Plus Scherzer would look great in pinstripes!
jdgoat
I just barfed in my mouth
Connorsoxfan
You can’t root for the Mets, Yankees, and Red Sox. It’s not possible. What kind of psychopath does that? 🙂
brian214
Haha. I’m a passionate Philly fan in all sports but also a closet Cowboys fan. That’s a skeleton I would rather keep in the closet.
thegreatcerealfamine
Which way is the wind blowing today?
marinest21 2
Why? They have Strasburg, scherzer, turner, Soto, and Eaton under multiple more years of control. Plus they have Robles and kieboom waiting in the wings. Last, the money they would save if they don’t sign Harper this offseason could be used on multiple other players/positions of need.
They don’t need a complete overhaul, rather it’s just a down year. It makes no sense to blow up the team when you already have a talented core in place for the next few seasons.
The chicken little “sky is falling” argument doesn’t stand muster when you look at the roster beyond 2018.
slowcurve
chicken…mustard…I’m hungry
cardsfan23 2
though Scherzer would never be traded if he was I would hope someway he could make his way back home to St Louis
baseball1600
Maybe San Diego has thoughts of acquiring Strasburg? Maybe their coaching can figure a way to keep him healthy. And a healthy Strasburg pitching in Petco could lead the Padres to a playoff spot as soon as 2020. Nationals would need to eat the large contract salary to receive a high end prospect. And as somebody who follows the Padres I would rather them get Strasburg than Archer.
andrewgauldin
At least Archer is going to stay healthy… Strasburg is not being dealt, no chance
Voice of Reason
How’s that cost savings working out by hiring Martinez? YIKES!
IronBallsMcGinty
Dusty Baker sends his regards.
natsgm
Nats screw themselves with managers everytime. Perhaps concistency in that role is whats needed? Constantly changing the “routine” every two years has to affect players. 200$ million pay roll makes 5$ million for a manager a drop in the bucket. But nope, cant get it together.
Solaris601
Joe Girardi is available. Nats may still be able to turn the season around by firing Martinez, hiring Girardi, and trading Harper.
Leody Taveras
“Top shortstop prospect Carter Kieboom”
Lol
WolandJR
He is A top shortstop prospect. Ranked in the top 100 overall. And the Nats top SS prospect.
Don’t get too caught up in the syntax.
cincinnatikid
So dusty Baker is fired by Cincinnati. The result is soon to be 4 consecutive last place finishes. Washington fires Dusty Baker after winning their division the last couple of seasons. The result a dysfunctional third place club hovering around 500. Maybe a club should should hire Dusty again and they would go to the playoffs
TJECK109
And lose in the first round
schellis 2
John McGraw couldn’t have won with the teams after Baker was let go. I could have won with the reds teams late in his run while using managing baseball for idiots.
The teams that baker has won with are shocker full of great players.
Baker like most managers are no better then what they have on the field.
I know he lost the team at the end of his run with reds but I put the blame on that early exit on jocketty. He should have claimed Byrd.
natsgm
Dusty isnt playing in the field
anthonyd4412
He was terrible managing the Cubs, and historically he’s been awful in the post season.
pinstripes17
He was the reason why they kept losing first round, terrible manager
fieldsj2
Washington needs to show Rizzo the door. His arrogance is what kills them. He thinks he can just acquire talent and then not pay money for a decent manager. He has a history of low balling managers “Riggleman, Black”.The only reason they hired Dusty was he was cheap. Him being fired is just another instance of Rizzos arrogance. You have a 190mil. payroll and you only pay your manager 1mil. Rizzo makes 2.5 mil.
tbonenats1
Rizzo isn’t the one who pays peanuts to managers. It’s the owners who refuse to pay managers a decent salary. Rizzo has pushed hard to retain Baker and Davy…but ownership doesn’t believe managers matter. Hopefully they have learned their lesson. But don’t blame Rizzo.
fieldsj2
Thanks for the info! I probably should have figured that out since Rizzo is only making 2.5mil
Marlins#1
Jt and ziegler for robles, garcia, denaburg, crowe, johnson
tbonenats1
Don’t see the Nats trading all of those pieces. Robles, Crowe and some lower level types is probably all they will do. Which means they won’t get Realmuto.
MetsYankeesRedSox
Messy clubhouse?
Obviously Scherzer and Strasburg have locked horns. Harper comes across as a hot head.
Get Bobby V there to kick some sense into them!
slowcurve
Lol, maybe the first time Bobby V and sense has ever been used in the same sentence.
azelch99
The Nats still have a very good core that they can compete with. Maybe not this year, but there not completely out of the race yet. But they can definitely compete next year, even without Harper. Instead of selling they should look to acquire young talent that can help compete both this year and the future. Maybe they should call the Cardinals about Carlos Martinez. Imagine that rotation of Scherzer, Strasburg, and Martinez. That would be the best rotation in baseball.
Mjm117
Cards have no incentive to trade Martinez unless they get back Turner + which even then isn’t enough.
azelch99
Turner doesnt need to be included.
Robles, Kieboom, and Denaburg would be a really good starting point. Throw in Nick Raquet, who’s a LHP, and the Nats #18 prospect, and I think we got a deal.
nats3256
As a hardcore Nationals fan, there are no hard feelings for trading harper. although with his season, I don’t know what he could bring. But please, if the offer is there, do it.
RedRooster
Been saying the Nats should trade Harper for months. Trading him will not be the difference between him signing there and signing elsewhere. If I’m Harper, getting traded is my best case scenario. Get to finish out the season with a team that actually has a shot at a ring this year and get to avoid being stuck with the QO.
bradthebluefish
So true. No QO and a chance to shine in the final months / playoffs.
BlueSkyLA
Not that Harper has a voice in any of this. The Nationals probably don’t have to make a decision on him by tomorrow as they can always place him on waivers in August if their playoff prospects don’t improve. He’d make an interesting waiver claim case.
RedRooster
The odds of him clearing waivers are effectively zero
Solaris601
Exactly. If they’re gonna trade him it’s now or never.
stretch123
Robles, Kieboom, Crowe and Tres Barrera for Realmuto. If they don’t meet that package or in the vicinity of that package, should not trade him there to an inter division rival.
Marlins#1
I would change barrera with romero. The thing is kieboom s dad works or worked fir nats his brother is on the big league team so i dont think they want to trade kieboom
marinest21 2
From a Nats’ perspective, Robles or Kieboom would headline a deal, but not both. If that means the Nats don’t get Realmuto, then so be it. I’m not saying Miami would be unreasonable if they asked for both, rather the Nats would likely not pull the trigger.
Given the (likely) impending departures of both Harper and Murphy, Robles and Kieboom slide right into two starting spots at a fraction of the cost. In turn, the Nats save money to sign Harper and pursue SP, C, and corner infield help that they desperately need. At least if I’m Mike Rizzo, that’s how I look at it.
Marlins#1
The nationals need a leader that plays everyday. Their team chemistry is F. Not only is Realmuto the best catcher in the game he is a team leader. The marlins are overachieving in large part to him. What free agent catchers are there to throw money at? The nats have bigger issues than meets the eye. On the marlins perspective they have anderson as a lock in the outfield and brinson, sierra and harrison that they have to play to see what they got. So robles is a luxury at this point not a necessity. And realmuto has expressed a willingness to listen to a contract extension with the marlins. So it doest make sense for them to trade realmuto to the nats for an elite of prospect. Thats why they are asking for an overpay because that is the only thing that would make sense for the marlins.
marinest21 2
There’s nothing in here I disagree with aside from the concept that the Nats have bigger issues than what their record suggests. With that said, is Realmuto worth sending your two best prospects – who just so happen to play in the middle of the diamond as well – to a division rival? Again, no. Especially not with Murphy and Harper likely leaving. This will likely turn into a case where the Nats feel overwhelmed at the ask and the Fish seem underwhelmed with the proposal. So be it. It’ll end up like 99% of other proposals that don’t end up amounting to anything.
As far as FA Cs go, there are other options who won’t be as expensive as Realmuto, in terms of value (prospects or $$, however you want to define it). Wilson Ramos comes to mind. Yasmani Grandal is another. Or you pull a trade for a guy like Austin Hedges, who could be expendable if San Diego holds onto Mejia and leaves him at C.
There are plenty of options.
Marlins#1
The nats have the names so to me its like the players are not gelling. They are not playing for each other. Its like they are to business like. They dont support each other. And thats what i mean by they have problems past what meets the eye. They need a leader that plays everyday. In professional sports team leaders dont grow on trees. Talent wise the nats are the best in the division but they dont play together, and a free agent catcher looking for his money is probably not going to be a leader will probably be another talented player playing for himself.
tbonenats1
Why would the Nats trade 12 years of Robles and Kieboom for 2 years and a couple months of Realmuto? No guarantee either prospect pans out but the Nats issues go beyond catcher and they aren’t going to make that deal unless ownership tells Rizzo to
mike.gordon34
The Nats may need a catcher, but why in the world would they way over pay. He’s not Johnny bench and he’s not going to fix what is wrong with the Nats. Miami can keep him and in 2 years when he walks away the Nats could sign him then. Or they can just wait until Miami pisses him off again and he asks for another trade. No chance he sticks are on the perpetually sinking ship that is the marlins. It’s all just lip service as he is not going to screw himself and his business rep.
nats3256
After seeing the update about the clubhouse and manager, I think it’s time for the Nats to finally shell out some dough for Joe Girardi.
natsgm
Yea Nats should have done whatever they could to get him in the first place. The thinking on managers is mindboggling.
Solaris601
I knew they wouldn’t even interview him because ownership knew he’d actually expect to be paid. At some point you’d think they’ll learn that you get what you pay for.
tealmarlin
Oh god, the Marlins organization is a whole lie. First they said if Stanton doesn’t accept the trade he’s going to stay alone in Miami. later they said they were going to build around Yelich and Ozuna, they got traded also. At last Realmuto was our main player to build around, now they’re gonna trade him too wth.