The Nationals are engaging in discussions with rival organizations regarding the possibility of moving several veteran players, according to Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports (Twitter links). Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic hears similarly, writing in a subscription post that ownership is increasingly inclined to cut its losses (including the financial ones) to the extent possible.
Notably, the Nats have not yet committed to any particular direction at the deadline. But they appear to be getting the process started in case they decide to move rental pieces. According to the report, the D.C. organization has indicated it will set its course by the end of the weekend — at which point we’ll be just two days away from the trade deadline.
While the Nats are one game under .500, there is still a glimmer of hope. Neither of the two leading teams in the division — the Phillies and Braves — have run away with things, or (to this point) made any significant deadline improvements. Projections still tend to see it as a closer race, as they presume the Nationals will receive enhanced production from some key players down the stretch.
Of course, the long-awaited spark has yet to occur for the Nats. And the team just received another gut punch today with the news that Stephen Strasburg is headed back to the DL. It doesn’t help that the Wild Card race includes quite a few contestants, meaning it isn’t an obviously better path into the postseason.
It would certainly be difficult for the Nationals to give up on the current season — and not just because that’d be a bitter pill to swallow for a club that entered the season as a clear division favorite that hoped finally to advance through the postseason. The team would also face a less-than-clear situation in deciding what assets to move.
Passan suggests that the focus would likely be on rental relievers. Ryan Madson ($7.5MM salary), Kelvin Herrera ($7.9375MM), and Shawn Kelley ($5.5MM) are all potential chips who’d be of interest to other organizations, perhaps bringing back some prospects and trimming some salary obligations. But whether it makes sense to stop there would make for a tough question.
For his part, Rosenthal says expressly what Passan more or less implies: the Nats aren’t much interested in moving star outfielder Bryce Harper even if they part with other pieces. President of baseball operations/GM Mike Rizzo has indicated that a move on Harper would only be considered in an “extreme” scenario, though presumably that’s much the same situation that would justify the parting with relief assets.
Bidding adieu to Harper now might be difficult, but it’d also be the best possible way for the club to begin a new era without him on good footing. Of course, if the Nats intend to make a full run at bringing him back from the open market, they may well prefer not to set him free now. And it’s also fair to wonder whether the return will be all that great given Harper’s struggles and hefty ($21.625MM) salary.
Harper really isn’t the only established non-reliever who could conceivably be viewed as a trade chip if things head in that direction. For instance, starter Gio Gonzalez and infielder Daniel Murphy are also slated to reach free agency at season’s end, though certainly neither is in top form. Slugger Matt Adams has been excellent and would seem to be an interesting target for some clubs, particularly those in the American League. Other players are nearing the end of their arb years, though there’s no indication at all that the club is thinking of blowing up its near-future core.
All told, it’s clearly an undesirable situation for the Nationals organization. Perhaps the club won’t need to face these difficult questions if it can reel off a few wins in quick succession and its division rivals stumble a bit. Even if the Nats give up on the present season, they hold the promise of bouncing back next year. But it now seems realistic that the team could end up largely giving up on the race in 2018, an outcome that was hard to imagine at the start of the campaign.
acarneglia
If a guy is a FA and you sincerely believe you won’t be getting him to re sign trade him. The relievers, Murphy, and Harper. Who cares what the fan pass thinks in the short term. If you can trade Bryce into multiple prospects why wouldn’t you do it? He’s going to join the Yankees, Cubs, or someone else that he thinks is either a contender or can offer him serious money. He’s tried with the Nats and it hasn’t worked
Samuel
Wrote this at length this morning under the Strasburg injury article.
The Nationals are the Tigers, Phils, and White Sox of 3-4 years ago.
Yes, they need to trade off some vets and build around the young players. But the problem is that Rizzo’s entire organization cannot develop young pitchers (there is not one good young pitcher on their roster) – not just the ML pitching coaches, the entire organization. Doesn’t matter what prospects are brought in. If a major league organization cannot develop young pitchers, they simply aren’t going to win.
natsgm
Id argue it is also the result of trading tons of the better pitching prospects in the last several years. id say more than half the Nats more hyped pitchers get traded before Nats could see any return anyway.
Slipknot37
They did trade away luzardo. And he is putting up some damn good numbers in the minors. And Dane dunning for that matter
Jmunerd
Didn’t help giving away so much talent for Adam Eaton. Also could Bruce Harper be the Carmelo Anthony of the MLB in that he puts Up numbers but doesn’t make the team better with intangibles?
CluHaywood
Luzardo, Dunning, Lopez…its not that they dont develop them, they trade them for win now talent. Believe me, as a White Sox fan, I know this all too well. Fernando Tatis Jr. in package for James Shields in a season that they started out hit, and by the time of the acquisition, had already looked to be losing steam. It was the last move Kenny Williams had a hand in, and now look at the change. There is a feeling of optimism about the Sox this year, in easily one of their worst years to date, because they arent a middle of the road team, and had to trade fan favorites Sale and Eaton. This is as much on Rizzo’s ego to win as anything at this point.
RedRooster
Even if you believe you WILL be able to sign him, trade him. Trading him doesn’t bar them from signing him.
Scott Driver
“He’s (Bryce/Scott Boras) tried with the Nats and it hasn’t worked”
Not true.. Scott Boras said that he won’t start negotiations with the Nats until the end of this season so that there is a bidding war for Bryce’s services. There have been NO negotiations between Boras and the NATS front office even though the NATS tried to negotiate a deal starting last year..
CluHaywood
It’s why fans hate Boras and why players love him. But let’s ask Arrieta how he feels about it. He is making significantly less money than Boras told him he would. Harper, with his extremely average stats the last few years, should consider an extension, unless he wants out of Washington
bravos14
Sell! Sell! Sell!
and preferably to an AL team or teams.
Paul Heyman
Yep they’ll find a way to trade everybody with some value for some great prospect returns.
chound
Today, I laugh at the Nationals but tomorrow will be worrisome for everyone else in the NL East. If they can revamp that farm system, with their cash and current roster… this could really change their fortunes (which is trending downward atm). I don’t want to say dynasty level fortunes but they could really be set up for stellar team. The NL East could easily become a two team race year in and out (mostly b/c of money), Phillies and Nats will own that division.
murphy
They said that for years and nationals been nothing but mediocre when it comes to the playoffs.
Its going to be braves/phillies division for years.
fabulous61
I agree 100%.
chound
Braves will just never have those kind of pockets with that tv deal. They will have a fun and fantastic team but no, they won’t be leading that division.
rtrgobraves
Braves will have relatively cheap starting rotation for years, acuna/inciarte/albies/camargo/swanson all cheap for years, Freeman signed to a great contract for his talent. Plenty of room to make large/strategic moves to supplement the youth and contend for the division title for 5+ years. Yea, dont see the Braves going off and signing a Darvish/Arrieta type proven vet for big money in there 30s but that is a good thing in my opinion. Grow it at home and supplement when opportunity arises.
murphy
In the late 90’s early 2000’s they didnt yet they did more for their fanbase then nationals.
LOL
natsgm
Playoffs = crapshoot. Irrelevant point
hojostache
The playoffs are harder to predict…other than the Nats choking every year because well….they have every time they have made the playoffs since moving to DC.
murphy
Name me the last time they achieved something that isn’t the division title?!
i’m still waiting.
gmenfan
Do they hand out rings for division titles ? Asking for the Dodgers and Nats.
brandons-3
It’s not a crapshoot if it repeatedly happens
natsgm
Your reply is to say the same thing a different way?
I dont understand the sentiment for this arguement. Tons of teams have had the eaxct same thing happen to them. Take the Braves. Since 2005 (year nats started) they have made the playoffs four times (same as the Nats) and never advanced past the DS (same as the Nats)
natsgm
Every single team is different. Different players, coaches, injuries, circumstances. Its just not a valid arguement. Season to season have nothing to do with each other.
tharrie0820
the difference is, on paper, the nats have a great team. they just don’t perform
socalblake
Those are great points but do you think their revamped farm system will be MLB ready before Sherzer declines? He carries a lot of the team. Strasbourg hasn’t been what he originally was, and Gio is a number 3 at best.
chound
Honestly and obviously, it depends on the returns but if I’m in the Nat’s shoes and I’m trading off my pending FA’s, I’m doing whatever I can to get near MLB players. Even with that, it’s the money they won’t have to spend that’s the big deal b/c they will spend it rounding out their roster (I.E. not trying to resign Harper). And yes, I think they’d try to resign him at all costs if he ends the season on that roster, you almost have too.
socalblake
The Nats will need at least 300 mil to resign Harper. In my opinion Harper>Stanton and Stanton got paid big. Do the Nats have that kind of $?
Rex Block
The owners are flush with cash, but whether they would spend that much (with Max already holding a $210MM contract) it’s not easy to say. Max is going to get paid for years, long after he retires, and they would probably offer Harper the same thing. But they also have cap issues.
hojostache
If there is one veteran player I’d bet on for the Nats to be dominant for years to come…It’s Max. Dude is a beast and has literally willed himself to win when he’s running on fumes. As a Mets fan I’ll never root for the Nats, but as a baseball fan I appreciate the heck out of Scherzer as a player. Same for Murphy, as they both play the game tough and leave it all out on the field every single game.
fabulous61
You’re crazy if you don’t include the Braves in the division race for years to come and starting now. The Braves have owned the Phillies this year and will continue to do so.
chound
The Braves will have a nice team but it’s a young team that will have the 2nd smallest budget in the NL East. That’s not going to form a division front runner in the long term.
CT
Young cheap talent is exactly how you build longterm success. You’re ignorant if you think otherwise. Suntrust Park and the surrounding development is already generating tons of revenue to balance out the average TV deal for the Braves, so look for them to increase payroll going forward. If I’m the Nationals, I’m really nervous about the Braves and Phillies.
petfoodfella
TV deal will be reworked.
blovy8
The Nats thought that years ago with MASN too…
chound
Yeah, when it runs out. That tree has been barked upon for a while now.
Vogt83
They can keep up with the Nats and Phils financially… They just can’t.
CluHaywood
Nationals have had the best staff in baseball for the last 4 years, without question. They have had talent over talent, and have managed to do nothing in a division that consists of one hit wonders like the Mets and Phillies and Perienial bottom feeders like Atlanta, Miami, and even Philadelphia until recently. Their system was cleaned out of it’s best pitching talent in one deal, and Robles is still a year or two away. Also, who are they trading to get so much better? The guys they need to trade in to get better in the future won’t be able to help this team. It’s a catch 22
Rex Block
Manager is on thin ice.
BravesCanada
Teams may get another shot at Herrera!
gofish 2
The same thing that happened to the New York Islanders with John Tavares will happen to the Nats with Harper. They’ll think they can re-sign him instead of trading him now, and they’ll end up losing him for nothing.
rtrgobraves
Am I the only one that thinks Harper re-signs with the Nationals next year?
fabulous61
You’re probably 1 of very few that thinks he stays in Washington.
Old User Name
Either the Nats or Philly.
gmenfan
It’s a lonely island, eh ?
Mino kawa
Hey how bout harper and sherzer for the entire yankees triple A squad?
Do it. Do it.
Fg-3
Mad Max to the Yankees that’s the big trade the Nats need to reload. No one needs harper. Max can’t win you a pennant
majorflaw
“Mad Max to the Yankees . . . “
1) Have you seen his contract? If the Yanks acquired Scherzer they would be saying “Bye” to any chance of getting under the luxury tax threshold for years.
2) Scherzer is the two-time defending Cy Young winner, that’s gonna cost you some talent. And, while quite expensive, he is controlled for the next ~4 years. He would instantly become the Yankees ace and might well win a pennant for and with them. So, what are you prepared to give up for Scherzer?
simschifan
Here come the Brett Gardner and Ellsbury for Harper jokes. Throw in Walker for good measure
Old User Name
I was thinking Tyler Wade.
Bald Vinny
Groome for Harper. C’mon Dombrowski.
bobtillman
Rays will get Harper for Refsnyder.
deweybelongsinthehall
Sox will add Sweihart who can later retire telling his kids he was once traded for a Hall of Famer.
Fg-3
Harper will eventually be a Yankee.. we’ll let some silly team give him 400 mil.. then get him via trade. He’s tailor made for Yankee stadium but he won’t sign w them this off season.
pinstripes17
He’s just like all of our hitters right now, homer, strikeout, or walk. I hope we pass on him.
fs54
Seriously what an under performing bunch of players! I know injuries have played a part but this is unacceptable for how much money and talent was put on the field.
natsgm
If only humans were perfect. What a surprise they arent!
RedRooster
“… the Nats aren’t much interested in moving star outfielder Bryce Harper even if they part with other pieces.”
Why the eff not? If they decide to cash in all their pending FA’s and gear up for 2019 and beyond I feel like they’d have to trade Harper. He’d probably be their most valuable trade chip. And trading Harper wouldn’t preclude them from bringing him back on the open market if they wish to go that route.
natsgm
What would Harper even bring back? Almost nothing with the way he is playing and his salary
petfoodfella
Atlanta would give a decent prospect for him.
hojostache
It’d make for a hell of a deadline if they move Harper. I think he is a great player (not superstar though) and to watch him on a solid playoff team would be a great October. I don’t think he’s worth $400m this off-season, but that doesn’t mean he won’t be an impact piece that could shake things up if he moves.
blovy8
The Nats could almost get under the 197 threshold for the Competitive Balance Tax and reset it for next season if they just trade Harper. Cots has them at an estimated 204.1 million for the year, which is 7.1 over and Harper is owed about 7.625 million for the rest of the year.
leftcoaster
Not sure what type prospect a .216 hitter is worth.
boo rad
Garret Stubbs, $1,399.62 international pool money, half eaten BigMac (no fries), and a pack of Paul Malls… Astros for the win!
deweybelongsinthehall
If the Nats’ wanted to tear this down, the piece is initialed MS. He would get back potentially a haul. Depends on Harper and whether they want and believe the price for him fits long term.
petfoodfella
No way they get rid of Soto.
deweybelongsinthehall
I meant Mad Max.
jeffk-2
Murphy to the Red Sox
Harper to Oakland
Gio to Seattle
Madson to Cubs
Kelly to Seattle,
Benoit to Colorado
Matt Galvin
Herrea and Wieters to Astros?
Ryan Zimmerman or Mark Reynolds to Rockies?
Doolittle to Red Sox?
jeffk-2
Doolittle has a option for 19 and 20 so i think they keep him.
deweybelongsinthehall
How healthy is Murphy’s knee? He’d be in great demand if he was ok.
stansfield123
If Harper becomes available, the Yankees should get involved. I’m not saying get him no matter what, but stay in the bidding war while it’s reasonable.
He’s not getting any protection with the Nats, and it’s hurting him a lot. I can’t think of another example of a .216 hitter with a .363 OBP…ever, in major league history. He’s clearly not getting anything to hit.
If he joins the Yankees, he’s probably gonna lead off, with Judge and Stanton behind him. His stats will explode.
P.S. Yes, I understand there’s no position open on the Yankees. Whatever. They can open one up, for two months. Brett Gardner and Aaron Hicks don’t have to be in the lineup every day. I’m not suggesting signing Harper long term. But getting him for two months, for slightly less than the Os got for Machado, is worth it.
Rex Block
It’s not that Harper isn’t getting any protection in the Nats lineup … the real problem is that Harper is not hitting. It’s either a home run, a strikeout, or a walk. His OPS is crazy while his BA is the pits. Even when he comes to the plate with runners aboard (which is rare), he’s striking out.
jakec77
One, I have a hard time picturing the Nationals selling unless they are able to get a substantial return. There is still enough time for them to get back in it.
But more interestingly- if it were to be true that the Nationals would have a hard time getting much return for Harper because of his contract, then how the hell is he getting anywhere close to the rumored free agent contract that has been bandied about ($400 million)?
boo rad
One would think that the anywhere close to 400 mil. ship has sailed, even for Machado. Although, Machado, now with increased postseason potential could prove value of said 400 mil. ship.
stansfield123
I agree with you that the Nats selling is unlikely (and it would be a mistake, they have a good chance to make the playoffs). I’m just commenting on the article, which raises the possibility.
As for the price, Machado is arguably the second most expensive rental in recent history (behind the Chapman deal, which was an overpay of silly magnitude). The Dodgers gave up a consensus top 100 ranked outfield prospect for Machado…keep in mind that position player prospects are worth a lot more than pitching prospects (like the one the Blue Jays gave up for Price in 2015 … Price was an ace at the time).
Getting a little less than that for Harper doesn’t mean “not getting much”. I would estimate the max limit for Cashman to be Abreu and Acevedo, out of the Yankee system (Abreu is a consensus top 100 pitching prospect, Acevedo is borderline top 100 and tops out at 103 mph with the fastball). They’re both rated 55 on the 80 scale.
P.S. The Yankees would need the Nats to eat some of Harper’s salary (the deal makes no sense without that….no single player is worth blowing the chance to reset the luxury tax this year, for the Yankees, and acquiring Harper at money owed would probably do that)…but that shouldn’t be a problem, if the Nats are getting the two prospects I just named.
Also, the Yankees still have Clint Frazier, who is easily their most valuable trading chip. Clint’s a really good, major league ready outfielder, so Cashman wouldn’t give him up for ANY RENTAL, but the Nats could sweeten the deal.: Yanks desperately need to move Ellsbury, they could also use Gio…so there are ways to make Harper a Yankee and Clint a National, far fetched as they may be. And acquiring Clint, if the Nats were to decide to sell this year, makes a loooot of sense for them.
jeffk-2
$400 was thrown around when we was almost a triple crown winner. He’s now in Khris Davis category with better defense. $15-$18 per
Cardinals17
Adams to Cardinals?
driftcat28 2
What would Harper bring back
Deesy
Well it seems that the Nats were improved on paper from last year. The new Mgr seems to be the reason. The lack of consistency is obvious to me. There is a constant change in the lineup. The skills required for each batting position. It would drive me crazy if I didn’t know my batting position each game how would I be able to prepare? The same problem for the pitchers. Martinez was with Maddon but that doesn’t mean he made all the decisions
and the players are different and not a clone of the Cubs. He’s a nice guy but he seems unable to make
good decisions and if inconsistency continues I think the second half of the season will remain the same. When I see or hear him I feel there’s no energy and no excitement being generated. Keeps saying things are fine, BUT THINGS ARE NOT FINE!! THE CHANGE NEEDED IS A NEW LEADER.
WE have half a season left + can still make it to the playoffs BUT WE NEED TO GET A NEW LEADER. Frankly the idea of “being a seller” is very upsetting to me. And as for Bryce I know he will get back to form + we’ll rue the day if he’s traded to another team. He still shows more pluses than not. As a big fan expecting to reach the Playoffs for certain it’s
very deflating. We need a long reliever, Realmuto and to keep Herra. We need a new
exerienced Mgr who can bring back confidence and a “CAN DO” Motivator and a good communicator. I believe new batting + Pitching coach.
PLEASE….
jeffk-2
Martinez and injuries killed this season. Murphy, Eaton, and Strasburg.
justreading
deesy is that all?
did you notice harper not
running to first, hustling or
boras telling him to take
grounders at first when the
yankees first baseman bird
wasn’t hitting?????
boo rad
I’ve put no leg work into this and with a memory like a gold fish but… didn’t the Nats have far more injuries last year? Light a match and burn the whole thing down!! Prospects, prospects, and more prospects… There are so many trade chips on that team… trade a couple of controllables for the big haul and every expiring contract. Harper isn’t going to resign so get two decent/high ceiling guys instead of settling for the on 4th round comp. pick.
justreading
they have blinkers on